STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Not Chara]

Almost, every time you say you are 'obvtown', i hear 'i know my own scum meta and am acting differently from it'. the fact that you know this means you could replicate it... that defense is meaningless.

Yeah, I know. Well, those who know me know me well, and those who don't won't be able to tell!

Just stay tuned.

Btw, I feel "just a teeny weeny l'il bit" better about NC, so moving it one notch up to Null-Scum.

i forgot about this comment.

what changed, Almost? my posting volume went way down around the time before you made this post, and i don't remember doing too much in that timeframe.

[Not Chara]

new reads

Town: Fire, mastin, farside, Yume
Nulltown: Creature, A50, Seraphim, NC, grapes, Seraphim
Null: Kraskaesque, KTS, Skybird, Random, TWIE, DGB, CoolDog, Klingon
Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky, Shiro, Foxbird
Scum: McMenno, Obi, Reasonably Rational

There is one townread I have that might be wrong, but I'm still thinking it over.

Upon some review
Moving CoolDog down to nullscum, Klingon to nullscum, Snarky to null, Xkfyu to scum and Kraska to nulltown
The rest of my nulls have basically nothing

Town: Fire, mastin, farside, Yume
Nulltown: Creature, A50, Seraphim, NC, grapes, Seraphim, Kraskaesque,
Null: KTS, Skybird, Random, TWIE, DGB, Snarky
Nullscum: Shiro, Foxbird, CoolDog, Klingon
Scum: McMenno, Obi, Reasonably Rational, Xkfyu

Posts like these make me think SC is TOWN. I don't care if his reads are accurate or not. It's the fact that he has a DYNAMIC read list that is moving rapidly with every update. To me; scum (and scum!SC to be precise) have an almost static read list and try to move 2-3 names at most just to make it look like they're doing something.

Moving SC up to TOWN (3rd tier on my reads)

did you miss where SirCakez posted the first list, and Creature commented "too many null reads"?
i'm fairly certain that was the direct cause of the rapid reads change.

[Not Chara]

Almost, every time you say you are 'obvtown', i hear 'i know my own scum meta and am acting differently from it'. the fact that you know this means you could replicate it... that defense is meaningless.

Yeah, I know. Well, those who know me know me well, and those who don't won't be able to tell!

Just stay tuned.

Btw, I feel "just a teeny weeny l'il bit" better about NC, so moving it one notch up to Null-Scum.

i forgot about this comment.

what changed, Almost? my posting volume went way down around the time before you made this post, and i don't remember doing too much in that timeframe.

Then maybe you should keep it down!

a good piece of advice, but not the answer to the question i was asking.

[Not Chara]

did you miss where SirCakez posted the first list, and Creature commented "too many null reads"?
i'm fairly certain that was the direct cause of the rapid reads change.

Why do I get the feeling you're underestimating SC? I knoe he's NOT naive by any means. He simply would NOT do THAT!

P.S. I've seen SCUM!Cakez more than I've seen Town!him. *Nods firmly*

i don't know Cakez. what i do know is that SirCakez said earlier today, in response to my comment, that he changed his readslist because Creature was right, he

did

have too many null reads. his own words.
are you still maintaining he updated the readslist because he has dynamic reads, or because he realized he had too many nulls thanks to Creature's comment?

[Not Chara]

Somebody please shoot this FB guy. He's up to no good, and isn't sticking with any deals.

@Fire:

Seriously, GROW UP! Like, I fully understand why farside might not be too comfy about you. What I do NOT understand is you claiming to be scum, then getting annoyed when you ARE read as scum!! Now THAT is what I can't get my head around.

You want to get lynched? FINE! Then be happy to be scum read. You do NOT want to eat the rope? Great. Then STOP advertising that you're scum and advocating your own lynch.

is this genuine frustration/confusion or another joke? because a lot of your posts are like this. this incredulous tone that you take to things with obvious answers.
i assumed the 'wants to be scumread' notion wasn't Firebringer being serious. that you of all players is talking about this is kind of funny.

[Not Chara]

OK, RR moves up to "as good as confirmed Town" (I won't be explaining why). Skybird also moves up to the same level, but this one I can explain if you want to rant about nothings for the rest of the day.

In fact, it's bc allying with Steven Universe got mod-confirmed in public. If Sky was scum I very much doubt she would've been allowed to ally with SU in the first place, let alone be told it IS SU they've allied with.

I'd also suggest the lack of such a mechanic similar to the monocular in Bloodborne (a PT spying ability/tool) for the same reason. If scum ever got THAT it'd be fairly easy for them to target Sky with it and see whom she's allied with -other than Foxbird- and thus identify SU.

Feel free to attack, criticize and ridicule this line of thought. This is my logic and these are my reads none-the-less.

i think Cerb and Drixx would have a lot to say about that, Almost. i finished reading the first SU.

pedit: oh. he was faster than me.

[Not Chara]

why are you guys talking about cases.

Want to comment on this
It indeed was. I reevaluted after seeing the comment from Creature since he was right, I had way too many nulls.

this post literally says someone said they didnt like my reads so i changed them.

because thats how reads work.

and you guys are arguing about cases.

yes, i had the same thought. but i may have been focusing too much on Almost's strange defense/townread of Cakez for it than the action itself.

[Not Chara]

CALLING THE ONE CALLED NOT CHARA
WANNA ALLY?

sorry, there's a specific list of players i would ally. if none of them are available, i will be going solo for the next day.

i'm unsure of Titus intend to accept my offer at this time, but hopefully she will.

[Not Chara]

kraska: on second thought, if OWK says no to my request, i will consider allying with you. as soon as i've had a chance to reread your slot.

[Not Chara]

i see.

[Not Chara]

i think that was hammer. Cakez was at L-2 earlier. :<
i didn't even think about it at Creature's vote, i don't know why.

kraska, i will be targeting you to ally with tonight.

[Not Chara]

wait, no it wasn't. i think randomidget was mistaken in declaring l-2. never mind.

[Not Chara]

and no one else should. Firebringer, you should bring him back to l-1.

[Not Chara]

Nah, I don't lynch someone who's likely to be killed if town.

UNVOTE:

i disagree, that claim doesn't make SirCakez a target for a night kill.

[Not Chara]

Nah, I don't lynch someone who's likely to be killed if town.

UNVOTE:

i disagree, that claim doesn't make SirCakez a target for a night kill.

Weren't you townreading me?
What's up with this mudslinging?

...i have been voting you for quite a long time now. there was a time when i considered unvoting, but that didn't happen.

[Not Chara]

SirCakez:
1485 was me explicity saying i townread you.
2098 is my scumread on you getting

stronger

. i was townreading you before.
2321 had to do with Titus's assumptions (a theme this game) and wanting to clear up misconceptions. there is no need to attack a player based on things that aren't true. just because that wasn't true does not mean the other things are suddenly also untrue.

did you not notice that i hadn't unvoted you? did you believe i was townreading you and just letting your lynch happen? that, to me, is much more suspicious (if that was your belief) than what you have chosen to focus on.

[Not Chara]

you just said you thought i was townreading you. now you thought i had you at null?

i did vote you a while before. what does that have to do with 1485?

[Not Chara]

you just said you thought i was townreading you. now you thought i had you at null?

i did vote you a while before. what does that have to do with 1485?

No, at 1485 you were townreading me and you voted me a while before 1485. So I was correct that you were townreading me for a period while still voting me.

sure. you're correct.

but i was talking about 2777. you said you thought i was townreading you while voting you (and you being close to a lynch) and

then

you said you thought i had you at null.

[Not Chara]

Yeah, you were townreading me like I just pointed out?
I never saw the jump to a fullon scumread so I then assumed you had me at null which is why the aggression surprised me.

Not sure what is confusing about this.

i didn't realize when you said 'i thought you were townreading me', you were referring to earlier, and not now. that is confusing.

mostly, i think SirCakez being unvoted only for that claim should not be happening.

[Not Chara]

Nah, I don't lynch someone who's likely to be killed if town.

UNVOTE:

i disagree, that claim doesn't make SirCakez a target for a night kill.

Weren't you townreading me?
What's up with this mudslinging?

come to think of it, having issues with your claim is not mud-slinging in the first place.

[Not Chara]

Cakez: so... what does a past read then have to do with how i feel about you now? you brought up the townread when i called your claim into question, as if it were relevant to that.
and: is mud-slinging anything negative to you at all, then. that seems like an arbitrary measure.

pedit: alliance powers have nothing to do with scum. his claim is largely NIA but has issues besides. in short: there isn't a reason to not lynch him now just because he's claimed. Varsoon has said that both town and scum have towny claims. there are a few claims i think i would say to hold a lynch for, but this is not one of them.

Creature: i don't know what you mean by bringing up that quote.

[Not Chara]

aka it's very unlikely SirCakez would make up a claim when he got a safeclaim (that Varsoon probably designed to not be counterclaimed).

oh. you thought Titus was accusing SirCakez of making up the claim?
i assumed she was saying that part of her role is the same or similar to SirCakez's, making him more likely scum to her. (as, in theory, town would have different roles?)
but i think it depends on the moderator.

[Not Chara]

the extra vote can't hammer. it was in Cakez's claim.

[Not Chara]

also. i don't think it would work anyway. since Cakez is not going to vote himself.

[Not Chara]

So, you're bribable to not vote scum by getting an extra vote to not vote scum with.

Pretty cut and dry. At least we know why you resisted lynching Cakey. You want power. That's what motivates you.

those last two sentences are so dramatic i wish i had said them.
this argument doesn't seem worthwhile to me. you're both townreading each other. unless this post was accusing farside of something that has to do with her alignment.

[Not Chara]

ah, yes. i too would throw away my values and reads for the unimaginable power of a double-vote.
poor Skybird has probably already let her total control over the game cloud her judgement completely.

what about the much more likely: farside is townreading Cakez because of his hood interactions. like you are townreading Rational for their hood interactions.

please stop this argument. it is doubly distracting and useless when you're both townreading each other. :> albeit full of lines i am screencapping.

[Not Chara]

ally with me on day 3 then.
or, OWK should ally with me. better yet, all three of us should ally on day 4. i'll make tea.

[Not Chara]

@NC, No one thinks they would change their reads for power, but they convince themselves by townreading the person who gives them the power. It's not far from that to sheepage of scum, especially when the ability requires it.

Skybird didn't have to sheep Cakey I believe.

Since Farside cannot see reality smacking her in the face, she needs to be shown what she's doing here.

When her sole justificationis I am delusional, which is the same line scum is pushing and completely ignores Mastina and RR, yes she does need to see what she's doing.

This is abnormal for Farside.

i was speaking to both of you. this argument is not helpful. pick it up later, perhaps, but you aren't going to get anywhere now.
please trust me on this. i've gone through this situation too many times over

myself

in a single game.
or perhaps that makes me uniquely

unqualified

to talk about it. haha.
then again, you know each other personally, so perhaps i can't understand.

[Not Chara]

That's pretty much NAI.

if we're waiting for cakez to show up and claim shit.

why would you claim shit for him before he shows up.

Cuz I'm trying to save us from a MISLYNCH. This is not a NAI ability to me. It's TOWN. If it was scum it means scum will ALWAYS have access to an extra vote and "maybe" another extra vote. Also, I know my own alignment, so when someone with THAT ability allies with me I KNOW they're FRIGGIN' Town. They could've just allied with their own scum buddy and guaranteed the extra vote use.

I tried to deter you from voting SC in every way I can while NOT confirming him so he won't be shot at night instead. I kept him low in my reads to make use of that extra vote ability to keep him safe (when that vote reflects on the VC you'd be more suspicious, which means he is still considered a viable lynch for the scum, which means he is not NK'd, which means I get to have one conf!town that I can actually communicate with for a couple more days. Someone who might be willing to listen to me and my crazy stuff when everybody's brushing me off.

SirCakez id CONF!TOWN to me.

strong town is not confirmed town. one extra vote that cannot hammer and cannot be used in lylo and mylo is not even close to gamebreaking. attempting to read this claim as town for that when it has been stated that all town roles and fake roles for scum sound town is a fool's errand.

there are 25 players in this game. we have seen one puddle of abilities in a lake of them. do not be making these kinds of assumptions. if you're town.

[Not Chara]

and no one else should. Firebringer, you should bring him back to l-1.

See? I told you this is scum!! Why would we put someone with that role 1 vote away from being lol!hammered??

i'm now convinced Almost50 is town.

[Not Chara]

oh, i sent that without finishing what i was going to type.
he's convinced me that his belief in the mythical power of Cakez's role is genuine. the 'i'm now convinced Almost50 is town' was intended as a joke. by using town as synonymous with 'misguided'. i... don't really know where i was going with that joke, honestly.

...i'm going to take a small break.

[Not Chara]

@NC, No one thinks they would change their reads for power, but they convince themselves by townreading the person who gives them the power. It's not far from that to sheepage of scum, especially when the ability requires it.

Skybird didn't have to sheep Cakey I believe.

Since Farside cannot see reality smacking her in the face, she needs to be shown what she's doing here.

When her sole justificationis I am delusional, which is the same line scum is pushing and completely ignores Mastina and RR, yes she does need to see what she's doing.

This is abnormal for Farside.

i was speaking to both of you. this argument is not helpful. pick it up later, perhaps, but you aren't going to get anywhere now.
please trust me on this. i've gone through this situation too many times over

myself

in a single game.
or perhaps that makes me uniquely

unqualified

to talk about it. haha.
then again, you know each other personally, so perhaps i can't understand.

I refuse to write Farside off as unreasonable, I respect them too much.

anyone can be unreasonable if the mood strikes them. i'm saying to wait. emotions are tricky.

...this is all moot, as the argument will stop as soon as Cakez flips. one of you will be right. that's why i don't understand why you're fighting about it now.

[Not Chara]

@almost50, thoughts on me CCing Cakey?

i'm compelled to say i also overlap with Cakez somewhat.

we're all being very vague, so this means almost nothing. :>

[Not Chara]

Almost50. could you have

chosen

when you activated this event? why would you do it on the first day if you were trying to build a townblock?

[Not Chara]

Hey I am replacing Seraphim. I will try to catch up as soon as I can.

welcome to the game. i suggest protective gear. :>

[Not Chara]

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

...who are you trying to be fair to, SirCakez? should farside not be townreading you? is town!you really in a position to be telling those townreading you... to not do it for this reason.

i'm having trouble articulating myself. how do i explain that this post is exceptionally scummy?

[Not Chara]

A50, did you know about the BP thing too? If you did, why didn't you corroborate his claim that he should ally with mastin, given your townread on both slots?

-Cerb

No, I didn't. SC didn't claim anything about his role details. what I did know is the extra vote bc that was evident (mod confirmed). I was told in my PT with SC that if we both vote the same person that a third vote would be added, and it was announced (by Varsoon) in the Joy Ride PT as well that if all 5 of us voted the same person that we would get an extra 6th vote. Neither could be used to hammer though (the extra votes). It only took me to put 2 and 2 together to figure it was SC's role, but I kept my mouth shut (I didn't even mention it to HIM) bc I wanted him to do his thing naturally. It was enough for me to know he was town and that was it.

i should probably give up trying to explain what is wrong with this. you are all remarkably set in your ways.

[Not Chara]

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

And this is town.

Let's play let's make a deal Titus.
I'm feeling a bit pissy with you.
I feel you need to take your arrogance down a notch.
So here is my deal and it will be fair.
If I'm right you can't not only stop arguing day 2, you need to sheep my read day 2.
If your right I eat my words, call my reads bad and sheep you day 2.
Here is the thing, you don't comply I vote you and refuse to move till your dead.

please stop.

please

stop this.
everyone is arrogant. being wrong on one read is not going to stop that. i thought so too, earlier. i don't feel like quoting the post but not a few days ago i used the phrase 'online whiplash' to refer to three players being wrong about a read on me. now i realize they would shrug it off, do some reevaluating, and continue on.

[Not Chara]

@RR Almost knew the whole day I was the BP provider. The joy ride did not know though.

No, I didn't (and I'm sorry I didn't look any closer). When the PT header said we [redacted] I assumed it was bc we could not be affected by anyone else's actions, and the way the [same redacted] was phrased I thought was subtle hint we were all town. (I could elaborate more in our PT or in Joy Ride if you like).

Varsoon 'subtly hinting' that your neighbourhood. chosen by you. was all town? that would be really unbalanced. wouldn't it? there are five of you in that.
why am i doing this. i just said i wouldn't.

i'll be back in an hour. :>
also: Almost50 is either actually town or a remarkable actor. and that isn't a joke this time.

[Not Chara]

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

...who are you trying to be fair to, SirCakez? should farside not be townreading you? is town!you really in a position to be telling those townreading you... to not do it for this reason.

i'm having trouble articulating myself. how do i explain that this post is exceptionally scummy?

To everyone, but mainly farside
I don't want her to townread me over something I didn't do? That would be the real scum move there.
She's already townreading me anyway.
P-edit: I thought you did from when you acknowledged my softing earlier ffs

'that would be the real scum move there'.
you know that. we all know that.
and that is precisely why that post was so scummy. thank you for putting it into words.

[Not Chara]

I didn't take the "real scum move" and that makes the post exceptionally scummy?
Pls translate

you advertised the fact that you didn't take the real scum move.

[Not Chara]

i was talking about after a flip. no one has died yet.
and being proven wrong won't suddenly change someone's personality.

pedit: Titus was faster.

[Not Chara]

I didn't take the "real scum move" and that makes the post exceptionally scummy?
Pls translate

you advertised the fact that you didn't take the real scum move.

So you're saying
If I had taken the real scum move it would have been scummy
If I didn't take the real scum move it would have been scummy

????

you're acting as if there are only two options. you could have corrected her in your neighbourhood, or corrected her by saying 'actually, i haven't read that post in the hood yet'.
instead you said 'to be fair' then acknowledged that you avoided the scummy option.
:>
who said that not correcting her would have been scummy? you said that. if she's already townreading you, what does it matter if she's wrong about that one thing? what does it matter if other players misinterpret and also think you, the town, are town? this is all from the hypothetical perspective of you as a town player.

that humble 'to be fair' says a whole lot.

[Not Chara]

I am laughing so hard at this game right now.

i am having the time of my life. no sarcasm.

[Not Chara]

I want off of Varsoon's wild ride pls

i laughed irl.

[Not Chara]

I am on a crazy train.
The only way off is if we lynch farside.

could you explain? not about ending the crazy train.
about why farside is scum.
farside and Titus both need some alone time. you told me the same thing earlier and i took your advice.

[Not Chara]

Ohh I don't have a scumread on farside.
She just made 4 players who were BP into not BP.

That deserves a policy.

shoosh.

[Not Chara]

I like how you pretend like you did it for me at all even.

i think that post was... also a joke.

:<

is anyone else here? everyone posting at the moment has misplaced their heads.

except for SirCakez. he's very reasonable.

mafia

, but reasonable. you deserve a gold star, Cakez.

[Not Chara]

<snipped.>
you're acting as if there are only two options. you could have corrected her in your neighbourhood, or corrected her by saying 'actually, i haven't read that post in the hood yet'.
instead you said 'to be fair' then acknowledged that you avoided the scummy option.
:>
who said that not correcting her would have been scummy? you said that. if she's already townreading you, what does it matter if she's wrong about that one thing? what does it matter if other players misinterpret and also think you, the town, are town? this is all from the hypothetical perspective of you as a town player.

that humble 'to be fair' says a whole lot.

Why would I respond to a post she made outside the hood in the hood?
Its pretty obvious that taking fake towncred would be perceived as scummy

yes, it is. that is, again, my point.

who were you worried was going to scumread you for taking the fake towncred?

Varsoon?

[Not Chara]

I am not moving my vote for all of time.
Tomorrow going to vote farside till lynched or day ends.
The next day going to vote farside till lynched or day ends.

Repeat till I am dead or game is over.

Firebringer. you account has been hijacked by farside from an hour ago. i thought you should know.

[Not Chara]

no one argues with itself like the town argues with itself. some things don't change with the game medium. that's reassuring.

[Not Chara]

I think I am done here.

SirCakey promises Farside that she can have a extra vote if they agree and he lives.
Farside townreads him and refuses to vote his scumreads and sticks to voting town.

Not exactly a far out conclusion to reach when Farside can usually justify her opinions.

It's sad what power makes people do.

You guys want monkey business? You got it!

As of NOW, Obi-Wan Kenobi & Farside22 are both demoted to SCUM LEAN.

Obi is so persistent to lynch the BP source, and farside has just decided to disband the event altogether. This tells me they're scum TOGETHER and have been faking it to find out who the source of all that shit was. They now know what my event did, and -additionally- have sabotaged it to no remedy. They also know SC's full role, and that's all scum needed to know.

I partially blame Mastina for early town reading farside (which I must admit has affected my read on her), but I mainly blame myself for my betrayal to myself. I had promised myself I will work individually in this game, and taking anyone's reads into account was a fatal mistake.

Also, Mastina: RR is TOWN, OBI has been playing them, not the other way around. I have seen this Titus ONCE before (in THIS game Blitz 26), but -fortunately- Ranger was there for the rescue.

I may need to reevaluate some of my reads later on, but scum are definitely to be found in TheFuzzylogic99, Not Chara, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Farside22, Creature & Shiro (that's the entire scum team OR 5 of them are scum and one is really bad town).

Done with this. These are the 6 lynches I'm willing to take all game long. Nobody else.

...no one even knew about the bulletproofing. SirCakez was the

only

player to know. they cannot have been faking anything to find

anything

. they are not scum together.
your 'fatal mistake' was your first actual scumread in the game being a self-proclaimed sheep of both Titus and mastin. you really should have realized you were straying from your goal when you typed that.

[Not Chara]

*throws hands up* how many excuses? I came here and posted while sick when I saw Cakey's claim, I could not remain quiet. But there's ten million excuses not to vote scum. Only so much I can do.

This is why the lord made preemptories.

Cakez's claim has taken away five hours of my life that i will not be getting back.
i don't really mind, because i'm having fun. i just wanted to say what you were feeling then is very relatable.

where is mastin? moving to a different lynch now will leave us divided for the rest of the game. settle it. or speak for Cakez being town because of his play and not because of his role. Almost50 cannot be convinced, but Creature might. possibly.

and someone else who isn't online at the moment. i really have to stop forgetting that there are a lot of players who simply aren't here right now.

[Not Chara]

SirCakez: and they would knot it was fake... how? they would know you hadn't read farside's post through... ah, mind control, perhaps.
or the lie detector. were you afraid of that?
unlikely, but i'm just guessing at this point.

Titus: the bulletproof is not fake. you're pushing the wrong angle.
Firebringer: your personal feelings about farside (who you are not scumreading, but your own admission) should not be making you vote her.
farside: you are just as stubborn as Titus is.
Almost50: ...well. our hydra will be an interesting one, i can tell you that much.
someone stop me. i said i would leave an hour ago.

[Not Chara]

Maybe I should just day vig Shiro.
That'd make me feel better.
What do you think a50?

In fact, this is a MUCH better lynch target right now:

VOTE: farside22

Like, the last thing she was saying in the PT was she was Town reading both me and Cakez, and the next thing you know is she is disbanding the event. WHY? Give me ONE FRIGGIN' GOOD REASON. Why would you revoke protection form your TOWN reads?? Why would you disband a TOWN event, that was likely to give town BONUSES??

you all collectively have me agreeing with Titus.

this is amazing.

[Not Chara]

SirCakez: and they would knot it was fake... how? they would know you hadn't read farside's post through... ah, mind control, perhaps.
or the lie detector. were you afraid of that?
unlikely, but i'm just guessing at this point.

Titus: the bulletproof is not fake. you're pushing the wrong angle.
Firebringer: your personal feelings about farside (who you are not scumreading, but your own admission) should not be making you vote her.
farside: you are just as stubborn as Titus is.
Almost50: ...well. our hydra will be an interesting one, i can tell you that much.
someone stop me. i said i would leave an hour ago.

Then push the right one before Farside walks herself into a rope.

i don't know what you mean.
farside isn't getting lynched today. that would be incredibly surprising.

[Not Chara]

SirCakez: and they would knot it was fake... how? they would know you hadn't read farside's post through... ah, mind control, perhaps.
or the lie detector. were you afraid of that?
unlikely, but i'm just guessing at this point.

Lie detector, the fact I didn't post in the PT until after farside made her comment which farside could have noted, etc
The fact you think I should have just ignored it and lied about it is super duper questionable

i wasn't expecting you to agree with me on the lie detector. that was kind of a stretch. guilty conscience? ;>
i'm just messing with you.
so you were:
(a) worried about being lie detected
(b) worried about farside, who expressed a VERY strong townread on you, noting that you did something that could possibly be viewed as lying, if she decided to find it suspicious. i mean. her post was absolutely a conclusion. did you think she was reaction testing you? you should have said so earlier.

[Not Chara]

VOTE: cakez
VOTE: cakez
VOTE: cakez
VOTE: cakez
VOTE: cakez

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[Not Chara]

Almost50. could you have

chosen

when you activated this event? why would you do it on the first day if you were trying to build a townblock?

Why not?

the longer the game goes on, the more time you have to gather information on who is town.
unless you have reason to believe mafia will nightkill or roleblock you, there was no reason to do it so soon.
if you had waited, your neighbourhood could have contained mastin and Yume, as an example.

[Not Chara]

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

This was why disbanding was so much more preferable.
2 whiners, is one 2 many.
It just got 10 x worse for everyone else.

You know what's funny is a50 was so calm in the PT and crazy in thread, great guy. Fire was being just weird about a50 but wow I just thought it was a personality thing. Now I just think, 2 people that act the same, can't stand each other.

Firebringer and Almost50.
and farside and Titus.
you're right. incredible.

...i think i'm starting want these fights to continue rather than wanting them to stop. please ignore future inflammatory comments from my end. now i really

will

leave. for half an hour. then i'll be back.

[Not Chara]

Scum please nightkill me. Chara is making sense and probably being scum peacemaker.

i've always been making sense. :> still, thank you.

[Not Chara]

Btw, apologies due to

TheFuzzylogic99

IF their slot is town. The bad town -in this case- would be seraphim, not you.

Seraphim was fine. not active, but fine.

[Not Chara]

I might just want them to be scum. Starting to doubt though NC scum though.

NC is town as hell.

*double pistols and a wink*

[Not Chara]

Btw, apologies due to

TheFuzzylogic99

IF their slot is town. The bad town -in this case- would be seraphim, not you.

Seraphim was fine. not active, but fine.

Where are your reads?

at the moment? they feel like popcorn that hasn't been finished being made. every

pop

and i think they're settled. but whoops. there goes another one.

scum: SirCakez, Rational... Klingoncelt?
town: Almost50, Seraphim/fuzzy, OWK, farside, Firebringer, Snarky
i go back and forth: grapes (probably town), Creature (possibly town), McMenno (a shrug, personified), kraska (i think i based my townread on them on something silly in the hood with grapes)

i'm aware i haven't mentioned plenty of players. randomidget and TWIE, off the top of my head, i don't have reads on. mastin and Yume are being treated as confirmed town by me.

speaking of.
kraska: i'm no longer interested in allying with you.
i'm interested in allying with anyone on my townlist. but grapes will only let you ally me if you're scumreading me. just so you know. ;>

[Not Chara]

Take out Rational for now. Pretty please.
I agree with the town list with minor reservations on Kraska.

kraska isn't really town for me. if they were, i wouldn't have said i no longer wanted to ally with them.
the only player i want lynched at this time is Cakez. i'll

consider

Rational again once i've seen them post about recent developments. that is all.

[Not Chara]

By implication, I assumed none of us 5 was a killer, bc then they would be able to act on any member of the event normally. Stupid? Yes. Bad assumption? Sure. So SUE ME!

yes, it was a bad assumption. there isn't anything wrong with that. clinging a bad assumption to one's grave is when i have a problem.

[Not Chara]

My God you guys are making my head hurt. I'm torn on his claim. It sounds town, but Varsoon said scum have believable claims.

He also has two alliance powers, which should, on its own, be a scumclaim.

Why do you think two alliance powers is a scum claim?

And sorry, I have to sign off after this. It's been a long day and my head is pounding. I want to think this all over and read again in the morning.

feel better. headaches are terrible.
ignore the claim. read SirCakez. when you get back, tell me what you think of the 'it's only fair' dialogue with Cakez.
actually. everyone should read that. i'd appreciate feedback.

[Not Chara]

Yeah, and why not today?? Or you still haven't figured out a way to unvote them later? Oh! Is it bc you want the BP provider lynched first so you wouldn't have to worry about whom they ally with next?? Is it bc -since you destroyed the event- he can actually be checked now, and if he got cleared by an investigator you won't ever be able to lynch him by day nor kill him by night??

you had more than one wrong assumption. keep working on those.

[Not Chara]

And I'm disbanding the alliance so Titus whole power trip BS is pretty null and void.

Yeah, how convenient! "Oh, I'm so afraid I would be NK'd, but you know what? I'm just going to defuse an irrelevant peace of $#!t by removing all my protection."

Like, how long did it take you two to plot that farce in your scum PT? I know now that you've planned your perfect distancing play well, but THIS particular stunt to sabotage the event is unspeakably MARVELOUS! *Clap clap*

1. farside disbanding the event was anti-town. yes.
2. scum were scared of the event. no, not at all.
3. scum would resort to making large, public gestures to disband the event. no.
4. farside and Titus are scum together.

very

no. but an interesting idea.

[Not Chara]

UNVOTE:
Way too much going on. I'll reevaluate in the morning. I don't understand the confusion about the BP claim, or why farside did what she did, or...ugh.

Very little of what's happened since I last posted makes much sense.

-Cerb

boo. looking forward to your post.

...no one even knew about the bulletproofing. SirCakez was the only player to know. they cannot have been faking anything to find anything. they are not scum together.

How convenient of another scumster to try and disguise the obvious. They kept the .. correction .. YOU kept the event going until farside could milk everyone wh has been active for their role details. Once you've had enough you decided to move on to step #2, which is eliminate the positive effects to town by voiding the event and pushing for Cakez lynch.

That was brilliant, btw. You and Obi pushing Cakez while farside defends them. You and Creature pushing me while Obi and farside defend me. I didn't make mention of anything related to BP, when I did repeatedly bring up the fact we could not be affected by other player's actions, and you deduced it was more likely SirCakez who provided the BP.

The "nobody knew" doesn't even come into play when farside was inside the PT and must've conveyed every little detail to you, which -of course- included the opening text. Just bc I wasn't able to figure it out on my own doesn't mean your lot didn't. There are 5 or 6 evil minds in the scum PT working together (actually 6 or 7, considering Obi is a hydra itself), so yeah, very much that.

not very brilliant when you blow our entire operation wide open. :<
this reminds me of the route conspiracy theorists so often take. they believe they're part of a small minority that has discovered the truth, but also that those hiding the truth from the general population are so bumbling as to leave obvious clues even as they weave deceptions of a global scale.
you can't have both, Almost. the scumteam can't be this

good

and this

exposed to you and only you

at the same time.

Not Chara is town, so is A50

true. now come, argue with us.

[Not Chara]

Before I sleep, I want some things answered when I wake up.

1) In the SC/A50 pt (not the Joyride), was there any indication of what SC has claimed?
2) In the joyride, was there any indication of what SC has claimed?
3) Why did you destroy the joyride Farside?

I'm having trouble understanding why FS would do what she did ( as town, it's dumb, and as scum it only makes sense if some critical role was in that joyride and needed to target outside of it...and even then it's still dumb), as well as reconciling SC'S claim that A50 knew about this all day with his claim of ignorance, while the rest of their joyride claims they were aware of the protection SC claims to be the source of.

And with that, good night.
-Cerb

i am almost

50

certain that all three of these were answered in the thread already.
when you wake up, please give your reads as they apply to recent events.
SirCakez was mistaken when saying Almost knew about this all day. he thought Almost had picked up on his hinting.
they knew about the protection. not that it was Cakez. Almost knew the vote ability was from Cakez. no one else did.

[Not Chara]

if i'm wrong on any of the above, please correct me.

[Not Chara]

i'm aware. or was that to Cerb and not to me.

[Not Chara]

Okay do since I'm apparently not falling asleep anytime soon:

NC, what part of recent events do you think would be indicative of anything? FS destroying two layers of protection is unlikely to be done by town OR scum, since none of the "leaders"/threats to scum are in that PT.

I need to know if the joyride and thr sc/A50 alliance are two separate PTs.

-Cerb

that's because farside didn't do it for a well-thought-out reason. it was an emotional decision.
the joyride and the Cakez/Almost alliance were separate. have you finished reading the thread yet?

my Almost50 read did a backflip during this time. my Cakez read cemented itself. ignore all of the town arguing with each other.
iso Cakez.

[Not Chara]

SirCakez is scum for better reasons. he still is not lying about his claim.

[Not Chara]

SirCakez is scum for better reasons. he still is not lying about his claim.

[Not Chara]

NC, I had read everything before I ever posted anything. That doesn't mean everything made sense snd thst there weren't things that need(ed) clarification.

How do you know who the town arguing with one another are? Whose discussions am I supposed to not take into account here?

-Cerb

Pedit: OWK, you're confbiasing. Moving the goal posts, etc. Earlier you said that he was lying about the bp, and counterclaimed him, and now that there's further evidence showing that you were wrong in your interpretation of the situation, you're saying it doesn't matter.

you asked a lot of questions that had already been answered, that's all. questions like 'is the joyride separate from the SirCakez/Almost50 alliance'. i understand forgetting, but it is there.
it's only town arguing here. the scum is SirCakez, the only reasonable one of the bunch.
Titus is wrong about SirCakez lying about his claim. she's correct on the read, but focusing on the wrong aspects.

[Not Chara]

NC, I believe I want to talk to basically everyone in thread who isn't you about this. I feel that your position in the game is such that IF a wagon on SC disintegrates, it will reform on you, and this makes me leery of your ability to evaluate the situation without bias.

-Cerb

then read my posts quoting his and make a decision. read what i wrote and decide if you agree or not. i want opinions. where are your reads at, Cerb.

[Not Chara]

you asked a lot of questions that had already been answered, that's all. questions like 'is the joyride separate from the SirCakez/Almost50 alliance'. i understand forgetting, but it is there.
it's only town arguing here. the scum is SirCakez, the only reasonable one of the bunch.
Titus is wrong about SirCakez lying about his claim. she's correct on the read, but focusing on the wrong aspects.

Then help me turn them towards the right ones. If I am right for the wrong reasons, let me know WHY and help me. Help me lynch confirmed scum. I am not batting 100% here. I could use it.

Titus, i am literally doing my best here. i've seen nothing to indicate that SirCakez is lying about his role abilities, beyond your counterclaim. i believe you, but that isn't enough evidence when we simply don't know how much overlap there is among the town. it's unclear at this time whether the bulletproof is from Almost or from Cakez's BP, and i do not want to go digging there when there is other material to focus on. all i'm attempting to do is get everyone to focus on Cakez for his play. let me quote the most recent posts i mean. i'd like your opinion.

[Not Chara]

OK.. last attempt to correct the situation: THIS HAS NEVER BEEN PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED BEFORE.

If myself and SC vote the same player, we add a THIRD vote on them automatically. If the members of Joy Ride vote unanimously (all 5 of us) we also earn an additional vote on the target.

Since that certainly is NOT mentioned in my role PM, I think it maybe related to SC's role. Now, the more experienced MODs can think it over and decide whether that would be given to scum, town or is NAI. (Sorry, Cakez)

Rational: it is made clear that they are separate alliances here. perhaps you could interpret it differently. i put this together with SC's claim to determine how his ability worked with his two alliances.

[Not Chara]

here is the entire conversation. i don't think i missed anything. i tried not to repeat posts by grabbing the larger quotes with multiple replies in them.

Spoiler: quotes

Also I told cakez to do something he hasn't done and I hinted it would help him.
Scum not taking that offer I'm about 99% sure he's town.

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

...who are you trying to be fair to, SirCakez? should farside not be townreading you? is town!you really in a position to be telling those townreading you... to not do it for this reason.

i'm having trouble articulating myself. how do i explain that this post is exceptionally scummy?

To everyone, but mainly farside
I don't want her to townread me over something I didn't do? That would be the real scum move there.
She's already townreading me anyway.
P-edit: I thought you did from when you acknowledged my softing earlier ffs

I didn't take the "real scum move" and that makes the post exceptionally scummy?
Pls translate

you advertised the fact that you didn't take the real scum move.

So you're saying
If I had taken the real scum move it would have been scummy
If I didn't take the real scum move it would have been scummy

????

you're acting as if there are only two options. you could have corrected her in your neighbourhood, or corrected her by saying 'actually, i haven't read that post in the hood yet'.
instead you said 'to be fair' then acknowledged that you avoided the scummy option.
:>
who said that not correcting her would have been scummy? you said that. if she's already townreading you, what does it matter if she's wrong about that one thing? what does it matter if other players misinterpret and also think you, the town, are town? this is all from the hypothetical perspective of you as a town player.

that humble 'to be fair' says a whole lot.

Why would I respond to a post she made outside the hood in the hood?
Its pretty obvious that taking fake towncred would be perceived as scummy

<snipped.>
you're acting as if there are only two options. you could have corrected her in your neighbourhood, or corrected her by saying 'actually, i haven't read that post in the hood yet'.
instead you said 'to be fair' then acknowledged that you avoided the scummy option.
:>
who said that not correcting her would have been scummy? you said that. if she's already townreading you, what does it matter if she's wrong about that one thing? what does it matter if other players misinterpret and also think you, the town, are town? this is all from the hypothetical perspective of you as a town player.

that humble 'to be fair' says a whole lot.

Why would I respond to a post she made outside the hood in the hood?
Its pretty obvious that taking fake towncred would be perceived as scummy

yes, it is. that is, again, my point.

who were you worried was going to scumread you for taking the fake towncred?

Varsoon?

The town?

LOL OBI STILL PUSHING THAT THE BP IS FAKE DESPITE 4 PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO CONFIRM IT
keep trying

SirCakez: and they would knot it was fake... how? they would know you hadn't read farside's post through... ah, mind control, perhaps.
or the lie detector. were you afraid of that?
unlikely, but i'm just guessing at this point.

Lie detector, the fact I didn't post in the PT until after farside made her comment which farside could have noted, etc
The fact you think I should have just ignored it and lied about it is super duper questionable

SirCakez: and they would knot it was fake... how? they would know you hadn't read farside's post through... ah, mind control, perhaps.
or the lie detector. were you afraid of that?
unlikely, but i'm just guessing at this point.

Lie detector, the fact I didn't post in the PT until after farside made her comment which farside could have noted, etc
The fact you think I should have just ignored it and lied about it is super duper questionable

i wasn't expecting you to agree with me on the lie detector. that was kind of a stretch. guilty conscience? ;>
i'm just messing with you.
so you were:
(a) worried about being lie detected
(b) worried about farside, who expressed a VERY strong townread on you, noting that you did something that could possibly be viewed as lying, if she decided to find it suspicious. i mean. her post was absolutely a conclusion. did you think she was reaction testing you? you should have said so earlier.

my conclusions are all implied in my posts, but i am more than happy to speak of them in plain terms.

this is not the only cause for scum SirCakez. it's an addition.
maybe i was jumping at shadows. i'd like feedback. if i made an error here, it was inflating the importance of some of Cakez's wording. 2877 is what made me want to go from 'probing for more scum evidence' to 'this is really very scum, isn't it'.
it's this sense i get as he played today. Titus called it resignation earlier, which is apt.

[Not Chara]

pedit: NC, that doesn't mean that they have SEPARATE PT's. That's the important part.

i suppose you caught me making an assumption of my own. i didn't consider the possibility of only a single private topic when so many of Almost50's posts had mention of speaking privately to SirCakez.

[Not Chara]

No. It didn't matter. He is probably lying but hoodwinked the hood. Even if he's not there's not likely more than one town BP.

First, his BP appears to be conditional, i.e. IF he's in an alliance.

Second, it doesn't make sense to give scum the ability to make their entire team BP, bc I have never seen a TOWN strongman before. It only makes sense to give the TOWN a "feel" of safety, with a scum strongman being able to breach that shield. There's also the very likely possibility that said alliance would include scum in it (be it one on one or one resulting from an event like mine where an ignorant town player gets to pick). Either way, if a kill does occur nobody would be able to tell for certain if it originated from within the group or from a strongman outside it.

I maintain my TOWN READ on Cakez.

we don't need a strongman. we have a rope. the mafia could certainly try, but that would not help.

Almost50 has an ability that created joy ride. the players inside could not target players outside, and vice versa. Strongman would not help. i

think

. it depends on if a factional kill counts as an 'ability' or not. depends on Varsoon's ruling. but that is not important right now.

separate

from that, SirCakez has an ability to make his alliances bulletproof. this is useful as a scum ability to 'look' town by protecting/allying with town, or to protect Cakez's scum partners by allying with them. Cakez cannot protect his entire team. on a normal day he can only ally with one other person.
you gave him the ability to ally with more. his role does not indicate alignment.

please end this discussion.

[Not Chara]

No. It didn't matter. He is probably lying but hoodwinked the hood. Even if he's not there's not likely more than one town BP.

First, his BP appears to be conditional, i.e. IF he's in an alliance.

Second, it doesn't make sense to give scum the ability to make their entire team BP, bc I have never seen a TOWN strongman before. It only makes sense to give the TOWN a "feel" of safety, with a scum strongman being able to breach that shield. There's also the very likely possibility that said alliance would include scum in it (be it one on one or one resulting from an event like mine where an ignorant town player gets to pick). Either way, if a kill does occur nobody would be able to tell for certain if it originated from within the group or from a strongman outside it.

I maintain my TOWN READ on Cakez.

we don't need a strongman. we have a rope. the mafia could certainly try to protect themselves with vests, but that would not help.

Almost50 has an ability that created joy ride. the players inside could not target players outside, and vice versa. Strongman would not help. i

think

. it depends on if a factional kill counts as an 'ability' or not. depends on Varsoon's ruling. but that is not important right now.

separate

from that, SirCakez has an ability to make his alliances bulletproof. this is useful as a scum ability to 'look' town by protecting/allying with town, or to protect Cakez's scum partners by allying with them. Cakez cannot protect his entire team. on a normal day he can only ally with one other person.
you gave him the ability to ally with more. his role does not indicate alignment.

please end this discussion.

edit: "the mafia could certainly try to protect themselves with vests"

[Not Chara]

It was Drixx but your slot.

Since when do you post mega analysis you don't agree to?

We've all seen the resignation Cerb. Why you trying to say otherwise?

Nothing of what I posted said anything about resignation, and I sincerely don't understand what the resignation argument is or how you all arrived at that conclusion. Nothing of Drixx's post was "mega-analysis", and my own post didn't say anything about said resignation, it noted a number of suspicious things SC had done.

would you respond directly to the post where i collected quotes from my recent conversation with Cakez? now, or when you have time tomorrow. would still also like a readslist.

[Not Chara]

yes, here is the fixed post from Skybird.

Crap, messed up my response. EBWOP

Kling, do you really believe DGB is a traitor?

She claimed Traitor in the PT. She thought I was one of the Scums.

I felt she was doing a reaction test. If you were scum, you might not have brought it to the main thread. I think it is a null reaction at best because you are smart enough to figure out it was a reaction test.

Klingon DGB was super obviously trolling lol

And this is possible as well.

[Not Chara]

Why do things always happen when I'm asleep?

your timezones are strange.

[Not Chara]

not strange. different from the majority, i should say. or your sleep schedule is strange.
my head combined those two statements, i don't know why.

[Not Chara]

@A50: in your alliance with SC, there is mod confirmation that an effect exists which makes you both BP, correct? Basically, this is not something it is possible for SC to be lying about, unless there were some prequel phase effect which granted this modifier to your alliance(s) in particular.

Is that accurate?

Correct. In fact, it's the exact same wording for both the BP effect AND the extra vote that were in the Joy Ride PT, which brings ANYTHING Obi has to say about this being mine to ashes.

Now I feel REALLY dumb not having noticed the bit about the BP in this PT before. It somehow escaped my vision until now, or I may have read it but it didn't get stored in my mind bc I was excited about the extra vote. I mean, it IS the eact same wording as the one that was in the JOY RIDE introductory post.

glad that has been settled.
now please. SirCakez's

posts

are where the gold is.

[Not Chara]

you're strange

didn't like cakes claim

it's bagel time ill be back soon

;>
i'm going to bed. be back in only 5 hours because i stayed up too late playing mafia again.

[Not Chara]

0% chance you'll get a readslist.

Your wall of quotes means nothing to me. I read through it, and I saw nothing of significance.

The entire line of conversation regarding whether or not he saw Farsides suggestion and him correcting her incorrect assumption is worthless. If he, as town, wouldn't have lied about that, then he couldn't lie about it as scum. His points about why scum!him couldn't have risked the lie are valid.

-Cerb

what is your read on SirCakez. i don't need a list of all 25 players and your reasoning for reads on them. do you have anything for me to work with?

"his points about why scum!him couldn't have risked the lie are valid". yes. they are. because he's scum and

did not risk the lie.

unless you mean town!him? in which case... why was he worried about being lie detected for something so small, and why was he on guard for farside, a player who is majorly townreading him, to be picking apart his posting times?
i don't think i was railroading him into responding a certain way. the original "to be fair" was not that scummy. it's really just a phrase. it's how he responded to all of it.

it seems i was lying about going to bed. ugh.

[Not Chara]

as far as i am concerned, SirCakez has his BP ability. put that to rest.
good night.

[Not Chara]

i would prefer not to ally with kraska tonight. my townread on them is not as strong as i would like.
my preference is those that were in ny townread list, or grapes.
however, i think they all have allies, so i will likely ally with kraska. if i don't talk about this further, kraska, assume that.

[Not Chara]

does another player have control over Klingoncelt's vote? i was sure she had changed.

pedit: oh. nevermind. :>

[Not Chara]

peridot is scum flavor right

not technically, as of the recent seasons.
there are a lot of characters that could go either way. peridot specifically is firmly on the side of earth. but that doesn't prove if the owner of her twitter is actually peridot, or just has her as a fakeclaim.

[Not Chara]

i should amend. peridot could be a villain or not depending on the timeframe. i wouldn't read into it right now.

[Not Chara]

kraska: i'm submitting my request to ally with you.

[Not Chara]

Firebringer: really? i wanted to ally with you.
you're a much better townread than kraska.

[Not Chara]

ignore me. it doesn't matter now, the day is over and there is no time for this.

[Not Chara]

Not chara its not you its me. You see you need an ally to discuss the game and give you feedback and help you game solve, I am just not that ally. I hope we can remain townreads

that was in the prequel phase. i'm fickle. i'm now much more concerned with allying with strong townreads. i can discuss things in the thread, as well.
i appreciate your joke of comparing this to a 'let's be friends' breakup situation, i just don't have the capacity to respond with a similar joke right now. :>

[Not Chara]

Firebringer, McMenno said no. should i ally with you?

[Not Chara]

what i am saying, McMenno only

thinks

he's allying with mastin. i've no doubt he'll attempt to ally with you tonight regardless. :>

i think i'm just getting antsy before the flip.

[Not Chara]

What was up with the sketchy ally thing with fire end of day chara?

that was me being indecisive and confusing. i'm allied with kraskaesque today.

also: i will be back later.

[Not Chara]

i would have made another post to be more clear, but the thread was locked. my own fault. i'm just lucky kraska still allied with me.

[Not Chara]

i've skimmed. is farside actually going to end the day within 24 hours? unless we're suddenly running on some sort of timer, i really don't understand why she'd choose to do this.

the lack of a real goal with these hidden points makes the Cluster event very concerning. we can't just designate some players to give up their actions, it's unknown how many are needed.
i'm going to catch up properly now.

[Not Chara]

i admit that Rational's recent posting might be preventing me from voting them out of the gate. does Rational have any reads from today i could look at? (reads that they've stated have carried over from day 1 are also fine)

Because of our interactions in the PT.

there was someone in this game who said that scum specialize in looking town in private topics they have with town. who was it that said that?

because this is the third time (that i remember) that someone has said a player is town because of neighbourhood interactions that the other players don't get to see. and farside's in particular proved to be false.
i'm not saying that the other PT townreads must automatically be false by association, but i would appreciate someone's theory on this topic.

[Not Chara]

@Mastin - You have played with Cerberus before right? I'm just checking because you're saying something he does

all the time

was fake. And the underlying implications to that don't make sense.

And for the idiot ball comments: Idiot Ball = literary device. It refers to when an otherwise very intelligent character makes an absurd mistake. It's kind of like a deus ex machina, and it fits in really when people aren't engaging their brains.

@Grapes - Farside, Foxbird, DGB, Grapes, KC are the people I am looking at for scum at the moment.


Farside - Super anti-town play yesterday with what she did. If you think about the implications of it and how it could have been leveraged for maximum utility, her blowing up that event was the most anti-town thing I've ever seen on the site.
Foxbird - Read the ISO. Self-explanatory.
DGB - The whole Traitor thing. Makes zero sense. DGB also moved us to firm town late yesterday but then just voted us today. Back to the traitor thing: what would make DGB think there's a traitor unless she is one? It's not a thing I remember Varsoon using before and I don't see anything in the info we have to suggest one is present. Only way DGB is town is if it was a reaction test, but if that's the case, why isn't DGB engage din the main thread doing things like that?
KC - Something was off about the response to the DGB thing. If I were KC, there's no way someone could claim to be a scum to me and live. KC barely pushed it. That isn't a town response, imo.
You - Gut. You're too smart to actually think we're scum and you are also too smart to join in on an ego push, yet you seem to be doing both.

~Drixx

okay, here it is. thank you Titus.

Drixx: i can see your points for most of these. i disagree with farside as scum, but her play was not fantastic there. the only other read i have issue with is the grapes read. (is the ego push on you?) i dislike this 'you're too smart to think this' attitude. it's one of the reasons i was very strongly scumreading grapes during that point of day 1. i thought they if they read me so correctly in my first newbie game (which has been completed, so i can

finally

talk about it), then the fact that they were so wrong here had to mean something was different. this game is difficult and it's incredibly easy to be wrong when new situations come up, i've learned. don't take this to mean i'm lecturing you, my inexperience in the face of your amount of games is very obvious to me.

[Not Chara]

Cooldog, RR, and Klingoncelt are the names I'd support lynching today.

You don't want me lynched. You know I'm Town.

"i am not the scum you're looking for. you will let me go about my business. move along."

[Not Chara]

Rational (both of you): to be fair, i was talking to Drixx. still, i believe they've posted in the meantime. i asked about your reads. ISO me, you should find the post in my recent ones, quoting you. i know you're going to bed, but this is just a reminded since i think you missed the post.

[Not Chara]

sorry. i guess you're right, i didn't phrase it as a question. still, i meant it as a way to talk to you.
the farside read is one where i understood how you came to it, but disagreed on the read itself. i didn't feel that way with the grapes read, so i talked about that one. could you quote where you point out grapes using the wrong processes in reading you?
but do it in the morning. from what i can gather, you should be asleep.

pedit: or, 'go away and doing something else', if not sleep.

[Not Chara]

Titus, grapes: i'd like to speak to either of you privately. an alliance with one of you two for day 3 would be ideal.
i would also love to ally with mastin, but if we would not be able to talk, i think it would be a less helpful arrangement than the above two players.

on Foxbird: i don't find anything terribly towny about her. still, if she was indeed especially busy, i'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and she what she comes up with today.

Skybird: could you talk about what Foxbird was like in your topic? if you were both more active in there, i can't know anything about why you have her as town if you don't explain. same question to Fox about Sky, because why not.

[Not Chara]

I think it's too early to set alliances yet, but the request is noted.

fair. keep me in mind then.

[Not Chara]

could you test your vote now?

[Not Chara]

i don't have time to read up the thread right now. still, i did check, and i don't think i saw a mention of this.

SirCakez's ability allowed him (and his team, later) to look for Jasper. i can't think of what this would indicate besides Jasper being the flavour of a traitor. (as she obviously is not a "Threat To Earth" if they would have to search for her) but the player with Jasper flavour could also in no way be aligned with earth.

if someone could think of a different thing Jasper could be, i am all ears. i brought this up because i hadn't seen it being spoken about, but there has been talk of a traitor between Klingoncelt and DGB.

[Not Chara]

McMenno: i did another check using the search function. you're the only player to have brought up a traitor in relation to SirCakez's flip.

Cerb: grapes didn't say they weren't pushing you. they are, and said so. they said they weren't pushing you in an elitist fashion.

[Not Chara]

McMenno: i did another check using the search function. you're the only player to have brought up a traitor in relation to SirCakez's flip.

Cerb: grapes didn't say they weren't pushing you. they are, and said so. they said they weren't pushing you in an elitist fashion.

Umm, I know they said they were pushing me? I just disagree that what they're doing is pushing. Has more akin to noise than pressure, at least from my perspective. That could just be because I view the points he's trying to raise as specious though. Maybe other people think they're something I should care about.

-Cerb

i see, then i misunderstood. sorry, i have not done in-depth reading of the last few pages. i had just thought you misread.

[Not Chara]

Isn't finale every 3rd day?

every fourth day.

[Not Chara]

and yes, i'm one of the players that is very good with Steven Universe flavour. if anyone has questions.

Cerb: thank you. i hope that you continue to play, i'd like to see more of you.

[Not Chara]

I got a lumpy potato last night too. What flavor is that associated with guys?

did someone else receive a lumpy potato?

the only thing i could think of is the Fryman family. none of the threats against earth wield potatoes, to my knowledge. (haha)
the only antagonist role would be the Frybo suit from the first season. which isn't relevant as season 1 Steven Universe has already happened.

i wouldn't poke too much at the potato.

[Not Chara]

While you are around, why did you pick Cooldog to join the joy ride?

Someone had him as their top town read (I think it was Not Chara, but I'm not sure) and I figured if they (NC) were scum they wouldn't have put their own partner as their #1 town read.

@Shiro:

I think I'd need a little bit of an explanation there. What changed your mind about me after all that tunneling?

i don't remember. i may have put CoolDog as

a

townread. i can't see any reason for me to have put him as anything more than a townlean.

[Not Chara]

OWK, ally with me next phase. I need some things to tell you. If you want mechanical reason, I have one

Spoiler:

I can BG my ally

Spoiler:

Scum can read this too. I think I am going to hang with you then. I kinda need to talk with someone. Don't lock me in yet but yeah. Leaning that way.

i hope i don't seem pushy by reminding you of my own request. you mentioned wanting to sort players you ally with as well.
grapes and kraska can both vouch for me being active in the neighbourhood, if that helps.

Yume: i'm not trying to step on toes. i'm very sorry if that is what i'm doing with you. if i could explain everything publically, i would.

[Not Chara]

wait a minute... I just looked up these fryman guys (I'm not familiar with steven universe flavor fyi) and apparently ronaldo fryman runs "keep beach city weird", so he's probably posting those beginning of day messages, and he's also possibly the potato giver

why didn't flavor people mention this

it did not seem important. i also forgot that not everyone knows who runs keep beach city weird.

i don't see a reason to speculate about roles that are probably town when we have no reason to.

[Not Chara]

@Yume/@Mastina, I am going to lay out the dilemma here and get your feedback.

My role suggests a NC//Farside/myself alliance would be best strategically.

By day play, allying with Yume is superior. The Suikoden repeat potential there is awesome.

i know you didn't ask for my feedback. but this would work very well for me.

[Not Chara]

exact times and dates seems... like something that should not be quoted from a

private

neighbourhood.

Titus: i would be just as pleased with that alliance.

[Not Chara]

i don't have time to read up the thread right now. still, i did check, and i don't think i saw a mention of this.

SirCakez's ability allowed him (and his team, later) to look for Jasper. i can't think of what this would indicate besides Jasper being the flavour of a traitor. (as she obviously is not a "Threat To Earth" if they would have to search for her) but the player with Jasper flavour could also in no way be aligned with earth.

if someone could think of a different thing Jasper could be, i am all ears. i brought this up because i hadn't seen it being spoken about, but there has been talk of a traitor between Klingoncelt and DGB.

That's an interesting take. Personally I took it to be quite the contrary. I assumed Jasper was a strong tool in town's hands that scum had to find and get rid of.

But yeah, your take is very much valid too.

Jasper being a town player would simply not work, at all. she is a villain and neither used as a weapon for the sake of defending earth, or anything else. i assume you're not versed in the flavour?

[Not Chara]

Chara who's scum go

i'm seesawing between busy and not right now.
Rational is nullscum (i have not had a chance to reassess in the face of my new feelings from today), Klingoncelt and DGB are both very suspicious to me.
Foxbird could be scum.

[Not Chara]

Eh, he didn't quote it directly, as far as I know he could be lying.

It's directly quoting the pt with timestamps and such, or exact quotes, that's the problem.
-Cerb

still, i would be careful. it's not paraphrasing if you directly quote something.

[Not Chara]

@NC how would a you me Yume alliance work?

i'm not sure what you're asking.
it would have to be in the season finale.

if you're asking for my opinion, i am happy with that.

[Not Chara]

i'm seesawing between busy and not right now.
Rational is nullscum (i have not had a chance to reassess in the face of my new feelings from today), Klingoncelt and DGB are both very suspicious to me.
Foxbird could be scum.

What are your new feelings?
Why could foxbird be scum?

Rational's appeals to the game today are making me reconsider. maybe i'm just susceptible to AtE, but i don't know if i want them out of the game yet.
that, and i see no reason to wait until after they've used the ability they promised.

foxbird could be scum because kraska explained their read and vote to me in our hood. essentially, foxbird's two scumreads are both low-posters, which is strange to see coming from Foxbird herself.

[Not Chara]

kraska isn't caught up. i imagine that's the only reason.

[Not Chara]

have you given any thought to my request to ally, grapes?

[Not Chara]

i don't believe an event failing to trigger would do anything to the stress. but i may be wrong with how different events work.

[Not Chara]

it's when you submit

and

when it resolves. both are checked. that's why an event can't be submitted in advance with the assumption that the stress might change to accommodate it.

that's my understanding.

[Not Chara]

i didn't mean in advance, sorry. i meant. well, say the event needs to be triggered in Climax and will resolve in the Exposition. you can't submit an event during climax if the stress for it is not at the required level.

[Not Chara]

Almost50: ah, i see.

[Not Chara]

i resent being called a possible townbeard. which scum would you say would be manipulating me?

[Not Chara]

I am at you, me, Yume, grapes, kTS, McMenno as bet the game town
Random Shiro ss lean town
Rr null but bad lynch
Nc, creature DGB lean scum, first two might be townbeards
Klingon x CoolDog Farside as scum, but Farside may be beard

That's 17 players out of 23 still in-play!!! Please repost.

that's because a solid handful are lurking. :>

[Not Chara]

i resent being called a possible townbeard. which scum would you say would be manipulating me?

Titus? :>

but no hurry. i'm going to sleep now.

[Not Chara]

Klingon: is it true that DGB claimed you were mod-confirmed scum to her? was this before, after, or during her claim to you?

and if she was claiming you were mod-confirmed scum, why would you think the claim was anything but a lie?

[Not Chara]

invader zim is another cartoon that Rebecca Sugar was a fan of. (there exists old art of hers done in the style of Jhonen Vasquez, the creator of the show)

Peridot herself shares many similarities with the title alien character. that's all.

[Not Chara]

Titus: i think scum can bypass protection. that would make sense. i doubt DGB avoided allying with you on purpose as a scum plot.

[Not Chara]

grapes: since Titus has already chosen her ally, please ally with me tomorrow. yes, i'm

very aware

of the irony.

and mastin: please consider me as well. i insist.

[Not Chara]

am i misremembering, or did Klingon claim miller today?

i am on a phone, so cannot easily ISO. however, in CoolDog's most recent game-advancing post before his flake, he made a confusing statement about mastin's flip somehow clearing me, thus making me a bad lynch for day 1?
i asked about it, but the rest of his posts were only promises to catchup.
it was strange, because it was worded like he knew i was town.

adding in the number of town players (by strong reads and confirmation) one my wagon early on and Cakez's own defense of me, i have to wonder if other members of the scumteam were doing so as well.

[Not Chara]

Yume's flavour is correct. Almost, don't worry so much about Peridot. if the owner of the twitter actually is her, she is probably, but might not be, town. someone else (with a Peridot fakeclaim) could have access to her account, too. i wouldn't take it as confirmation of anything.

[Not Chara]

you really should read varsoon's PMs that are sent when he switches phases.

[Not Chara]

hello, Loopdan! welcome to the game. and nice to see you again, though we did not interact much.
but. i wish you were CoolDog. i had questions for that one. :<

no one responded to my question/thought about CoolDog. i would appreciate feedback.

grapes: i understand your need to sort, but i really must insist.
i'm tired today. if someone wants me to engage on a topic, i will. otherwise, i will lazily follow along for the rest of the night.

[Not Chara]

like i said, i'm tired. sorry, i meant that if anyone had something they wanted to discuss with me, i would be able to. i can't be original right now.

but, since you asked. do you think CoolDog slipped, misunderstood something, or miscommunicated in a way we will never know because he replaced out? referring to my last question about him.

[Not Chara]

Eh I reached the conclusion that I was wrong about almost and I don't like RR lynch tbh, people seem convinced but meh.

Cooldog is policy lynch soo not much there.

I am still iffy suspicious about Farside tbh, like I doubt Varsoon woukd give town 2 dayvig. Then again I heavily doubt Farside is vig.

what makes you think CoolDog is a policy lynch? i missed this.
just because he's a lurker does not mean it's policy.

also. what did you realize about Almost that suddenly made him make sense to you? (or be town to you?)

[Not Chara]

like i said, i'm tired. sorry, i meant that if anyone had something they wanted to discuss with me, i would be able to. i can't be original right now.

but, since you asked. do you think CoolDog slipped, misunderstood something, or miscommunicated in a way we will never know because he replaced out? referring to my last question about him.

I don't see anything that sticks out. I looked to see if he was posting elsewhere and sky asked me if he replaces out as one alignment or another. I have had time to check.

i meant specifically the line where he says something along the vein of "not chara is a terrible lynch. mastin flipping would clear them". as far as i can tell mastin mentioned so such thing. plus, it was worded like he knew i was town.

[Not Chara]

nevermind. i'll be here here in the morning. sleeping.

[Not Chara]

this is the late day 1 argument all over again. i enjoyed the first one, found it to be entertaining. possibly because i had a clear goal then. for whatever reason, i'm not enjoying this one. it's kind of upsetting.

on Shiro: they really need to explain in more detail what changed their mind on Almost50 and others. (if i'm remembering correctly that there were others)
the lack of thought process is not helpful.

this is also no longer a 'you're wrong but town' argument. farside clearly said she was scumreading Titus. at least a bit.

i'd wager very little alignment information is going to be communicated or received. stop. well. keep pushing if it's for alignment. not to try and prove a point to someone about a past game. or whatever this is.

Spoiler: personal

personal: even if it isn't meant that way, Cerb and/or Drixx are obviously taking some comments personally. that isn't going to foster good hunting, just bad feelings. i don't really have a good solution to propose other than to please watch what you are saying.

[Not Chara]

the above is what i get for posting in the middle of tonight.

Varsoon: it doesn't matter. but please fix it anyway? i like to keep out of game content separate. also it's just bothering me. haha.

V: Done. I don't mind fixin' tags for people.

[Not Chara]

fair enough. farside, forgive me if i missed something, but i only remember you answering Titus's question about the readslist by saying you did not have the time at the moment.
as for the reason she asked you again and not Shiro... is that not because Shiro isn't around right now?

[Not Chara]

Klingon: your yelling is noted. if you could answer

when

she claimed you were mod-confirmed scum?
and is there a reason you didn't claim your miller status on day 1? (or did you?)

Varsoon: thank you.

[Not Chara]

so if i'm getting this correct: Klingon, you believe DGB is a traitor with some kind of investigative ability that she used on you? it made you, a miller, shlw up as scum, thus tricking her into revealing herself to you. and then she later backtracked using multiple claims when she realized you were not actually scum?

you know. if that really is what happened, that makes the role distribution rather cruel on the traitor.

[Not Chara]

i'm suspicious of both DGB and Klingon because i really can't figure out what went on inside the hood. Klingon's claims sound far-fetched, and DGB seems more concerned with talking about what she did in the hood and why it makes Klingon town then doing any hunting in the game.

[Not Chara]

oh. so i did just forget that Klingon had claimed miller early on.
ignore me please.

pedit: i like your style. but did you mean to type something else when you were listing who you would vote for? you listed DGB twice.

[Not Chara]

Shiro: your reasoning for dropping the read on Almost... kind of sucks. how does mentioning some flavour indicate his alignment? i was sure we were past that.
your theory that town have abilities that better fit their flavour doesn't work when Varsoon claims to have created the scum flavour first. such a glaring flaw would make this game breakable. you even said Cakez's abilities don't fit for Dock (the Ruby) either.
you didn't answer why CoolDog was policy and not a real scumread. or i missed it.
what are your other reads?

pedit: okay. i see you responded to farside above.

[Not Chara]

Skybird: your answer about Foxbird did not move me. could you be less vague? are you considering that it might be easier for scum to fool someone in a hood?

[Not Chara]

honestly I'm giving shrio the benefit of the doubt here wrt almost, I'm pretty flippant with reads myself

also I heard someone talk about flavor speccing? shiro I think

if I had any flavor knowledge I could probably guess mastin's flavor and take a reasonable stab at yume's

stop.

Varsoon all but spelled it out for us. the mafia can punish players if they know their flavour.
my best guess, based on SirCakez's flip, is that there are scum players with abilities that do so. for example, extra kills or other negative abilities that work only against certain town characters. or that work if one can correctly guess that player's flavour name.

this is to Shiro, mostly. since McMenno claims a lack of flavour knowledge.

[Not Chara]

i don't think you're fishing. i'm trying to discourage flavour speculation.

[Not Chara]

i think Cakez didn't vote Shiro because of paranoia. you're referring to the subject of my discussion with him at the end of the day, yes?

i'm forgetting which lurker Shiro voted for. i'll get the laptop.

pedit: yes, Titus is right. it felt like Cakez had given up.

[Not Chara]

farside: i missed a comment from you. Shiro said he read on Almost changed because of flavour and meta. i don't think it was a very good reason.
what i don't understand is why you won't just post a full list, as asked?

Shiro: looking at your list, i would expect you to be voting Creature, not CoolDog/Loopdan. why are you voting on 'policy'?

[Not Chara]

triggered

very funny.


i feel as though this is a

fantastic

time to remind the thread that i use it/its pronouns, or they/them. and not anything else. ;>

[Not Chara]

Is it bad that I don't know what half of those pronouns mean?

not really. and i agree with McMenno that this isn't the place for the discussion.

[Not Chara]

Do I look like I can push anyone?

I don't have the cred, the support or the debating power to beat mastin and Titus on the subject. CooLDog is a lurker for me who is a void hole, he could be scum and since the top dogs are finding his as prime scum canditate from the lurker there must be some merit there.

i guess. i don't have a problem with the vote itself, in all honesty.
referring to it as 'policy' when it's more like 'scummy lurking' is why i brought it up.

[Not Chara]

what are the questions Titus hasn't answered? with quotes, please.

Titus, i don't know what you mean by 4308. are you saying those questions were never asked, or that you already answered them?

[Not Chara]

CoolDog and Seraphim declared publically that they would be allying. (creating a hood)
whether that hood happened would be useful information.

the other mason claims were both fake. mastin and yume are the only masons.

it's also public knowledge that CoolDog was a part of the Joy Ride alliance, created by Almost50. that would be the large, five-player hood CoolDog was a part of on Day 1.

[Not Chara]

mastin and yume are masons.

OK, but didn't someone else claim mason, too, somewhere?

Did cooldog/sera end up in an alliance? Like were you given access to a hood?

I don't even know if I can/should reveal anything related to what hood(s) I'm in.

The prior mason claims are trolling.

Alliances have to be agreed to publicly or there is role mechanics going on.

You submit a choice to be neighbors tonight. If that person picks you, you have a hood and the alliance power on your sheet triggers.
Each player also has an event that triggers. Only one event(barring priority 0 events) triggers each day. That selection is also submitted at night. The conditions for the event must be met at night.

We all have climax abilities we're forgoing due to an evil scum event which can allow four kills (barring protecting conftown).

I'm outed as somehow bulletproof (CCed flipped scum).
Mastina and Yume are masons.
Yume is also conftown from my perspective (meaning I vouch).
So chain of vouching is me -> Yume -> Mastina.
Technically, I can't vouch for Mastina but I'm supposing Yume isn't being dumb and letting Mastina make up that their PT confirmed Mastina as town.
I'm also the best Saga robot ever with time traveling abilities that drive scum insane. #braintrolling
KTS claimed innocent child.
Grapes allies with people shutting off their abilities.
NC seems to be implying that she has a compulsive ally ability that is negative utility (hence the desire to ally with myself or grapes). She should outright claim if it is poison or not.
Farside destroyed a bulletproof alliance Cakey was drafted into, leaving Firebringer vulnerable.
Firebringer is now removed from the thread.
Farside claims to have a dayvig that ends the day.
RR has an ability that can force scum to keep conftown alive. Since Yume, Mastina, and myself all cannot be killed in a single night, so we aren't lynching him today for strategic purposes. Tomorrow, we can discuss that or not.

i wasn't trying to imply anything like that. i don't have a negative utility at all. i want to ally with you two for a combination of other, very good reasons.

"We all have climax abilities we're forgoing due to an evil scum event which can allow four kills (barring protecting conftown)."
four kills? where did you get that number? Varsoon said 'several deaths'.

[Not Chara]

I forgot at least.

Several = at least four.

that's an interesting definition. where did you get it?
sources i just googled say something along the lines of "more than two but not many" as what the word 'several' implies.
so, at least three. not four.

why did 'several' make you think of four?

[Not Chara]

ok.

[Not Chara]

@NC:

1: Few is generally 2-3 and Several generally means 4 or more.

I know this is different from what google say (google: few = more than 2 but not many; several = a small number (usually 3-5)*)

*This one was found on Yahoo!Answers

@Titus:

You may add Almost/Shiro vouching for eachother (well, technically we're NOT confirmed to eachother, but due to some "enlightened guessing" I think we are semi-confirmed to eachother by now.)

i understand. the word could have multiple connotations, especially to those who live far away from each other. but thank you for the additional information.

[Not Chara]

i would be fine with a Titus + undecided + myself alliance for the season finale. more than fine.
or one with Yume and mastin.

or something with grapes.

[Not Chara]

are you asking me to recommend alliances for if i'm killed? or to think about alliances for if you are?

[Not Chara]

if i'm killed, Titus/grapes/mastin would be a good block for the season finale. but not if mastin's ability prevents discussion there.

if that's the case, replace mastin with Yume. kraskaesque is another good choice.
though i don't know what else to suggest. ally with town players, and with who mechanically makes sense. it's hard to talk about who

other

players should be allying with, when i can't even talk about why i want the alliances i'm currently asking for.

pedit: hello, Cerb. who do you want to ally with?

[Not Chara]

oh, right. i forgot about that. see, this is why it's difficult to pick out alliances for other players. was there a reason you asked?

[Not Chara]

i can't think about strategy for other players if i don't know their roles. i can only do it with my own. i think i might just end up revealing more than i should if i continue to think about alliances for if i get nightkilled. :>

[Not Chara]

Titus, i don't know if an alliance between you and farside would do much for town cohesion. i do see your point for the rest.

Killthestory: what are you talking about with grapes? first of all, what reason would mafioso grapes have to disappear. and secondly, they were posting today and yesterday. third, they're town. what are your other reads?

pedit: okay. i take it that's a no on the alliance then.

[Not Chara]

i'm not going to alter my play just to align with you, Titus. i'll push if i find something strong i want to push. i pushed so hard with SirCakez's later on because i was afraid the lynch would lose traction when some players began to unvote.

and, honestly. the players i have the most questions for are inactive and not around to answer those questions.

[Not Chara]

farside: i'm looking at Shiro right now. they left for the day before i was able to continue the discussion about their CoolDog vote.
i think Titus is town. biased, but town. i don't see any underlying motive to her, beyond town sometimes being wrong due to assumptions. i'd go into it further but i ran around a Titus scumread on day 1 enough to be sick of it.

Titus: Shiro, Twin Wings. (questions were for Foxbird)
i also want to talk to Sky about Foxbird, but i don't really believe she's scum. (Skybird, i mean)
i also had a concern with CoolDog, who appeared to know i was town, but since he's replaced out there's nothing to be done there.

i'm also waiting on some things from kraska, who has been busy. but posting in the hood. but i think that hydra is town, so i'm willing to wait.

all of the other active posters are town. farside is the only one in question for me, but even then, i think it's a product of the constant disagreements between you two. Rational should be left for tomorrow for reasons stated.

when was the last time Snarky posted? or Creature, for that matter?
i don't see anything town from DGB, but i also wouldn't know how to approach sorting them through interaction. Klingon is town if DGB is scum, but she should also speak more about the game and less about their day 1 hood. i know i'm forgetting some players.

hm. i remember TWIE responding to a request for content with snark, and i don't think they responded to my comment about it.

[Not Chara]

Titus, i don't know if an alliance between you and farside would do much for town cohesion. i do see your point for the rest.

Killthestory: what are you talking about with grapes? first of all, what reason would mafioso grapes have to disappear. and secondly, they were posting today and yesterday. third, they're town. what are your other reads?

pedit: okay. i take it that's a no on the alliance then.

man its really impressive how much you can read into things

"what reason would mafioso grapes have to disapraeur" lol his wagon disappeared, any suspicion disappeared, it all died off.

"oh myh theyre town" shut up.

grapes is being townread by a lot of players. i don't remember a wagon. why the bite?
answer my question.

[Not Chara]

there was no wagon. who even voted for grapes besides you and I?

again: what is your problem with me? did i insult you.

[Not Chara]

no im being blunt with u but its coming off as abrasive.

so just be quiet for right now

okay. but i'd rather not be quiet when you still haven't answered about where this wagon is supposed to be.
none of your posts just now look like anything but confidence about things that don't make sense.

[Not Chara]

farside: i'm looking at Shiro right now. they left for the day before i was able to continue the discussion about their CoolDog vote.
i think Titus is town. biased, but town. i don't see any underlying motive to her, beyond town sometimes being wrong due to assumptions. i'd go into it further but i ran around a Titus scumread on day 1 enough to be sick of it.

Titus: Shiro, Twin Wings. (questions were for Foxbird)
i also want to talk to Sky about Foxbird, but i don't really believe she's scum. (Skybird, i mean)
i also had a concern with CoolDog, who appeared to know i was town, but since he's replaced out there's nothing to be done there.

i'm also waiting on some things from kraska, who has been busy. but posting in the hood. but i think that hydra is town, so i'm willing to wait.

all of the other active posters are town. farside is the only one in question for me, but even then, i think it's a product of the constant disagreements between you two. Rational should be left for tomorrow for reasons stated.

when was the last time Snarky posted? or Creature, for that matter?
i don't see anything town from DGB, but i also wouldn't know how to approach sorting them through interaction. Klingon is town if DGB is scum, but she should also speak more about the game and less about their day 1 hood. i know i'm forgetting some players.

hm. i remember TWIE responding to a request for content with snark, and i don't think they responded to my comment about it.

What do you think of the stalled wagon on you with conftown on it, and the stalling wagon on CoolDog?

i said this earlier. but, with SirCakez defending me, i was wondering about how the other scum were reacting to the wagon. players like CoolDog and Snarky expressed their distaste without much explanation for why. farside's read on me was the most explained defense i can think of.

CoolDog's wagon isn't moving because he was replaced. and Loopdan is still catching up.

[Not Chara]

dammit kling is a she.

also kling is not scum stop.

please.

or else ill have to reveal my ultra powerful orle.

I don't think we're lynching Klingon today, so I think we can give you some time to explain why she cannot confirm Mastina as town, when Mastina (who is conftown) said she should. I find it off that you say she is. The only thing that gives me pause is the flail here. I wouldn't lose sleep if she was lynched.

my hangup with Klingon is her claiming such a thing at all. considering you know her better than i do: would she lie about something like this as scum?

[Not Chara]

1)CoolDog never votes anyone but McMenno which is Cakey's counterwagon
2) CoolDog says that NC will be clear after Mastina flips, but displays no concern over Mastina voting NC.
3) Discredits my read on Cakey but doesn't call me scummy or elaborate why I'm wrong.
4) Calls NotChara a lurker in his defense of her
5) His interactions with KTS regarding the IC claim are wierd.

That's just skimming his ISO. I'm sure Mastina could do a better traditional case.

it/its or they/them please, Titus.

as for the points themselves, they're good ones.

[Not Chara]

Should at I will be open to vote for Loop

I am hesitant to move on the CD wagon till Loop gets atleast kinda caught up. I will be open to a lynch after that

Waits for someone to call that a slip.

why would anyone do that in the first place?

[Not Chara]

actually. what the hell.
VOTE: Loopdan

[Not Chara]

Gah, titus I wanted to see if more people got it.

Sorry grapes but I'm getting impatient with Farside here. I need to have Farside actually push someone who can actually be scum.

I just made a large amount of points.
I think your expectations for me suddenly change my view on Shiro are very misunderstood

Titus, why are you so convinced of Shiro being town, again?

[Not Chara]

I'm sorry I can see your avatar doing staring back. I'm terrible at non-traditional usage.

You should join us on CoolDog/LoopDan so we can go to night.

P-edit: Ty.

that's fine. just try to keep it in mind. if you can correct on Klingoncelt's pronouns, you can pay attention to mine, yes? :>
(plus, my avatar is a nonbinary character. or, at the very least, one without a canon gender that has received a wide variety of interpretations.)

[Not Chara]

The second point isn't a good one, or at least not one I interpreted that way. I viewed it as more likely they misunderstood the Yume/Mastin interaction and attributed the potential alignment confirmation to the wrong slot. Kept meaning to bring this up every time someone mentioned it but it was never actually used as an argument for them as scum till now so low priority.

-Cerb

i've brought it up a few times. and it's still very strange to me. sure, my slot has been mixed up with others in the past for... whatever reasons. but i don't see how someone could think i was the one confirmed by mastin, or why you would assume that to be the more likely option.

[Not Chara]

alright let me make a few things clear:
1. I've been sorta fucking around rn, and it was funny
2. Grapes feels really off with how he responded to my bullshit accusation, and I'm not genuinely scumreading him
3. Kling is town because I used my one shot JOAT super investigation that goes thru everything on them
5. Don't tell me how to play

grapes feels off but you're not genuinely scumreading them? or you weren't before you made the accusation, but are now suspicious?

[Not Chara]

by the way. Seraphim was probably town, and fuzzy is still town.

Titus: my problem with Shiro is their lack of hunting outside of Almost50. but they expressed frustration at that very fact today. i want to see them actively looking for somewhere else to direct themselves.
that aside, i dislike their realization about Almost being town. either it's bad reasoning because of mistaken assumptions regarding flavour, or it's scum unwilling to continue that push. but the latter seems less likely with Shiro can't seem to get good direction, as stated.

[Not Chara]

what makes you think scum is lurking /not really posting

process of elimination.

[Not Chara]

Pretty sure almost's definition of confirmed town is different than most.

i remember him referring to players he strongly views as town as confirmed town.

[Not Chara]

I am really very sorry to do this, but I need to do a site-wide replace out of all my games. I have some things in RL that just have to be dealt with and that take precedence over this.

I'll try and come back to MS once this settles down, but I cannot say when that could be, so VLA just wouldn't be fair to you. Again, my apologies. I know some of you were waiting for my catchup to move forward. Please give my replacement a chance. You want this role alive.

@mod-- Please replace me.

shoot.

[Not Chara]

shoot as in 'damn' or 'too bad'.

[Not Chara]

Don't copy me

but the word fit so well! :>

[Not Chara]

shoot as in 'damn' or 'too bad'.

but why?

...because Loopdan had to replace out of all his games, and obviously felt bad about it?
also, because we were waiting for that catchup and now have to wait again. not that i'm moving my vote, but it certainly would have been helpful.

[Not Chara]

Skybird: i wanted what you just provided above. unfortunately, scum can also 'feel genuine'. i was hoping for details. they didn't share very many of their thoughts in the thread, so i wanted to know what their thoughts/reads from the hood were.
plus, i did read the first Steven Universe. not all of the hoods, but you were allied with MaxwellPuckett (mafia), and were then killed. i think it was said it contributed to that player's lynch, because you were a rolecop who had likely claimed to them. if i'm misremembering or misconstruing something, let me know.