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i beat you as scum but you cant beat me as scum titus-
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In post 4291, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Well one thing is that your claim sucked
how does it suck? do you want to test it out?
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well a lot of stuff in this game doesn't make sense. why i couldnt see nobody visit me n1 to n3. why a scum had a doc invent. why you arent dead yet. point of the matter is that we dont have all the information in the game and if stuff don't make sense now, it will make sense in postgame.
nice case on titus though. thats 1 kill for you.
seriously, the only abilities i copied were a pizza vendor and a day messenger thanks to farside. the copy ability is next to worthless if i cant have anything to copy.
good news is, scum no longer have day chat. its easier to isolate and surround the remaining 2 scum. we're on a roll!-
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In post 4297, Reasonably Rational wrote:soooo it still doesn't make sense that TW knew your power, and nothing in their flip exonerated you.
this is kind of sad in the fact that it was proven that TW was lying about their rolecop claim and also their activation methods.-
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In post 4306, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 3810, Trench Warfare wrote:No. It isn't. I have rolecopped both you and Mastina. I got the same exact abilities for both. There's zero reason for a second three person masonry to appear in a game with two masons already.
In post 3811, Trench Warfare wrote:So I ask again, how are you different from Mastina Xtoxm?
We know that this is untrue, so maybe Titus guessed that the two players should be symmetrical?
Honestly, I don't know why Titus wanted to rolecop me, there are better targets, such as yourself.
(Speaking of which, why didn't she rolecop you either?)
If my role was guessable as Titus said (just like your lie detect indiscretion), then it's plausible that Titus guessed it because she is very close to me and can somehow read my thoughts.
RR, the second paragraph of my long post literally had a statement that said "I am town. RR is wrong about me being scum". in it. Go check again. Not only does it prove my alignment, it also proves my role works as is (because, I do lie about my role as town too in some games ((Drixx can confirm this in SMITE Mafia)))
So, that was good value. >_>
In post 4307, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 4303, Reasonably Rational wrote:exonerate you were TW flipping non yellow diamond
How?
TW flipping non yellow diamond would damn me, because it /would/ indeed suggest that I'm partners with her, as well as explain my bloodlust to lynch Frogger and Maxwell.
TW flipping Yellow Diamond proves without a doubt that your theory is wrong, mate. I mean the corollary; the first point about TW being scum was obviously correct.
In post 4308, Metal Sonic wrote:Let's say I copied your IC and now I am proven town (as I'm about to be anyway). Who would you want me to gladiate?-
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In post 4312, Reasonably Rational wrote:Sonic: here's the problem, if ANYTHING in that long paragraph could return an I don't know result, or a false negative, then it will, andyouwe don't know if it was because you lied about your alignment!
ah yeah, damn. well, I tried my best :p but if it all returned true, thats perfect isn't it?
i doubt she actually rolecopped both mastin and xtomx, considering that she did not know about mastin and xtomx being different from each other and thus falsely assuming they were symmetrical and had to be corrected. she could have used it on you or me or someone else.
i may or may not have unconsciously crumbed to titus day 1 or 2. Titus is my best friend, so sometimes to build rapport we share info and try to determine each other alignment. I certainly stopped trusting her after she opposed the frogger lynch (note: frogger is a very strong scum PR!)
i dont think xtom and mastin are scum because she was pushing them the entire day 4 and 5. titus was playing a clear no-bus game here and since her push was done before you caught her, I think they are authentic and was according to her plans.
the reason titus scumslipped because she knew my ability and it was at the top of her mind. that's how all slips happen. because the scum have daychat, they could have been discussing that point recently. i must imagine that the scumchat had titus talking a lot and being bossy. now that the head of the serpent is dead, i think we win easily.-
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In post 4314, Reasonably Rational wrote:I think Constantine thinks your scum, and knows at least I'll be voting with him against you, and I think everything with TW bailIng you was theatre planned during the long silence in your scum PT.
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i dont really give a shit about constantine's thoughts. he lurks as scum. farside called him scum and she died. i think he's reverse psyching here.
after fuzzy confirms me as town, then i make a move-
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In post 4313, Reasonably Rational wrote:Stop trying to spar with me here, you're wrong and clearly haven't even read the previous points made about these subjects, since you'd know your point was already addressed and shown to be wrong already if you had.
what am i wrong about?
i can't be yellow diamond for the same reason mastina and xtomx arent -- I could have simply diverted the lynch on season finale day with the gladiate, allow maxwell to live the night, he shoots you, and you'd be enjoying beer in the dead pt.
considering you were telling everyone and their grandma that you'd be conftown by day 5, that's neon lights yelling "please kill me"
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In post 4313, Reasonably Rational wrote:As I see it, today we lynch either fuzzy or you, I don't think aNY one else makes much sense.
that's really bad because if we both flip town (note: i am now townreading fuzzy) then you would have undone the merit of your TW lynch
so no, thats myopic-
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In post 4320, Reasonably Rational wrote:Sonic: SHE KNEW THE ABILITYS WERE DIFFERENT. She just tried to argue that adding a voteless modifier to one didn't change them, when it does change them. And no, you did not crumb to titus. I read your iso repeatedly to male sure we didn't fuck up the titus thing and there was nothing in thread that could even tangentially expose the details of your power. There was NOTHING.
Why did you ask me about Constantine if you don't care about him?
ok. i could read my iso later to remember if i did but i probably shouldn't have. however, i was literally begging in the thread to get people to visit me after like, n3, so that could have been her theory. ANYWAY, SPECULATION
i think i phrased it wrongly. I care about constantine and what his possible scum motivations are in mimicking what titus did yesterday. i don't care exactly if he thinks im scum or not, because if town, reads are shit, if scum, reads are fake.
next, thats a fine theory, but the loss is to burn fuzzy who is quite town and used to be the ideal mislynch. you think thats a good deal? you're the logic man, so tell me if that's a good deal or not, i don't do accounting.-
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In post 4320, Reasonably Rational wrote:I don't believe you have a gladiate at all, actually, so your point about D4, in addition to being highly likely to out yourself, was also not a thing scum you could have done. I'm very prepared to be wrong about the gladiate thing though. :p
why do you assert that I lie about something provable?
of all things that is the least likely thing that I would lie about. Plus, i got scanned by a lie detector (alignment unknown)-
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ok, i think we are reaching an impasse about whether i am town or not. let's not discuss that and wait for fuzzy to prove that i am town. you feel that you cannot make sense of how titus "knew my role", but reaching at "sonic is scum" despite all the evidence that points to me as town suggests that we either overlooked something or there is not enough information on the table for you to reach the real answer. there have been a ton of other mysteries in this game (why didn't titus rolecop you?) which somehow you feel not pertinent to give a fuck about, so these "things that don't make sense" are actually pretty normal. I have been arguing this since you begun it.
what weshoulddiscuss, are issues regarding the game assuming that I am town, so that we can get back to work faster after the reveal.-
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Guys, I think I figured it out! I'm at school but the teacher didn't come to class so I have half an hour. An epiphany, I just remembered Grapes and I claimed to him (mastin was witness). I just take a look at the timestamps.
According to RR's catch, Titus posted the following quotes (note: Titus eventually admitted to knowing my role):
In post 3538, Trench Warfare wrote:RR, there's another benefit to having Fuzzy visit Sonic. Shouldn't Sonic get his refiller? After all since Sonic hasn't used his gladiate since the season finale, it wouldn't get another shot. Yet now, we would have the refill in the hands of unquestioned town.
Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:05 am
In post 3544, Trench Warfare wrote:So let me get this straight
Maxwell lynch today
Fuzzy + Sonic neighorize tonight
Sonic gladiates any scum suspect but Fuzzy after we decide who he gladiates tomorrow
Fuzzy refills Sonic, and gives him refilled ability?
Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:18 am
When I claimed in the Alliance with Grapes/Mastin that day, my most informative post was made
Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:38 am
This is just a little 24 hours before Titus slipped.
It is possible that the information was transferred during that period of time, and was a hot topic of discussion in the scum PT,thusit was at the top of Titus's mind causing her to slip. I mean, it fits as a recent topic of discussion.
Sorry I left that out the whole time >___<"
I might have to go for the next class any time soon, but do talk to me if this is possible, because a couple of stuff line up. I need to go home and check grapes' interactions with the dead scum.
Oh, and I am going to out grapes. Good news: He's Amethyst. Bad news: He's a miller? Does this fit flavor sense?
Worse news: He's a roleblocker. Apparently the only roleblocker we've seen. Soooooo.-
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In post 4399, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Noway Mastin could of??
mastin is town because she lynched frogger and maxwell with me.-
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In post 4407, Metal Sonic wrote:Trust me, she did. I remember it.
In post 4410, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 4409, Reasonably Rational wrote:vote for scum that were going down
no, this is not the case. i actively pushed scum and my presence caused them to be lynched. (frogger and maxwell) there is a difference.
In post 4412, Metal Sonic wrote:guess what. Grapes have unlimited roleblocks. Farside is 1 shot.
Frogger was a very very limited jailkeeper.
Grape's role conflicts with both vezok's and farside's role (both town).
I'll check to confirm when i get home but these are the facts
In post 4415, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 3787, Metal Sonic wrote:Partially to grapes. I'm not saying a word to fuzzy yet, except who I am planning to gladiate soon.
seems like theres something wrong with the way im posting!-
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In post 4413, Reasonably Rational wrote:2) Why would grapes claim their roleblock at all? There's no reason to. Double voter is sufficient in and of itself. Roleblocker has a scum taint to it. Why would scum grapes rub that taint all over themselves for no reason?
me and mastina were obvious town so grapes came clean-
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In post 4413, Reasonably Rational wrote:By the metric you use, that of voting history etc, you're both equally likely to be town.
i never use voting history. my metrics include who is looking for scum, who would bus their partners when they're going down and NOT bus them when they are an important PR/situationally it would be suicide to bus them, who interacts with scum oddly or doesn't interact at all, who takes other players for town immediately at face value or shows inside knowledge that they know another player is town,
it's holistic. i don't do those deductive logical robot metrics like you or titus do. we are different. thats the way it is.-
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I'm looking over Grapes' ISO now.
Me, Mastina and Grapes were in an alliance on Season Finale Day = We agreed to ally with one another Day 3, on the Day Frogger was lynched. This clearly was because we were all townreading each other. And we were townreading each other because we all helped to push Frogger.
I also liked his sheep onto Maxwell, though that can be attributed onto "knowing a partner was going down" as RR said, but townpoints still.
What I obviously don't like was his recent turnaround on me. Remember, shortly after RR's case, he posted this:
In post 4021, grapes wrote:Trench claiming to somehow know sonic's exact role based on a crumb is pretty stretchy. Like, believable I guess if them and sonic are like telepathic or soul sisters or something.
The buddy I could make a case for either X or sonic honestly. But we've got enough wiggle room to purge all three so not too worried about it.
Sonic if you are scum bro, like, you had me fooled.
But like, you're a gladiator presumably and were the ultimate decider of our lynch today, so why until you get called out have you been all ghosty and vagueish. And then proceed to spend all your energy getting into a semantics debacle with conftown?
Reminds me of your hash out with beer honestly.
He was giving the benefit of the doubt, which was good, but then as a conclusion throws mud onto me. Also, attempts to reference "the hash out with beer", which is clearly mudslinging, Beer called me town.
In post 4026, grapes wrote:I don't like your turnaround on fuzzy today either. Could you go more into that please? Because it feels scum motivated. Or at the very least makes your previous pushes feel fake.
This is even worse: He doesn't like my turnaround on fuzzy "because it feels scum motivated". Well, firstly, I was in an alliance with him, and secondly I would have had a very good reason to turnaround (scumread -> townread). It is known fact that changing a scumread into a townread is a town-motivated action, because it involves reevaluating reads, while changing a townread into a scumread is a scum-motivated action, because it is opening mislynches. My situation is the former. So that post was a lie, and I did call him out for it at the point in time.
In post 4030, grapes wrote:scum on the day 1 wagon is sonic or xtoxm
When TW gets pressured, he suddenly shifts towards calling me scum despite nothing that would have pointed towards that.
In post 4032, grapes wrote:The turnaround on fuzzy after he realized he could milk him for more shots. If you genuinely think somebody is scum then you don't just up and 180 on them because you've suddenly figured out you can use them. That's not a town mindset imo.
I mean like seriously. 180'ing is a town tell, especially when you realise that someone who is scum is actually town. 180'ing on a townread is a scumtell. So he attempted to misrepresent and mischaracterize meafterthe case was made on TW. That is a rapid readiness shift -- a change in behavior after a paradigm shift in the gamestate. This is what I am looking for -- who changes their behavior after the scumteam's probably-most-powerful PR gets threatened, and who sticks to their principles. Grapes also attempts to call out xtomx, I am leaning town (I have a little bit of doubt because farside was killed, but n00bs will call it wifom anyway)
And then this happens:
In post 4188, grapes wrote:hey xtox we should ally dude
Talk about 180'ing... Unless grapes did not fullclaim to us in the Season Finale hood (suggesting he had a role to test xtoxm in this post), that's scummy for withholding info. If he wanted to ally xtomx because he thought he was town, that's hypocrisy right there.
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After TW was lynched, he opens up a mislynch avenue here:
In post 4337, grapes wrote:VOTE: sonic x
Here's my thought process. If his gladiate was actually intended to be used on day 1 and wasn't just a scumbag chilling around close to deadline to use it on a buddy after my hammer to obviously milk towncred, then why at this late stage in the game has he been so passive about using it?
Also Titus couldn't have rolecopped him because she is confirmed to have rolecopped mastin/xtoxm so her knowing unknown parts of his role looks a lot like buddies and all that jazz.
Lynch it to the ground!
I'm cool with a mass claim or whatever if that's what we're down to do.
Also the NK is so obviously done for wifom it's not even funny. So sonic asking about it just screams scum fishing for town to be all like "oh yea pfft why would sonic NK farside she was like defending him and stuff xD"
lol
What I do expect, if he is town, to fully stop pushing me but just leave the vote there. If he is scum however, he will go for the mislynch. That's my conclusion.-
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In post 4339, Reasonably Rational wrote:Speaking of Sonic ... didn't you claim that you are like best friends with Titus Sonic? You should be able to read through all those WIFOM posts and tell us what we should conclude from them. Preferably you should evaluate them individually please. Your claim to be so close makes you singularly and particularly well suited to that very necessary task.
Maybe if you'd stop trying to kill me you would actually listen to what I am saying.
I've already evaluated the "WIFOM posts" and stated my conclusions. Reread my ISO if you forgot.
In post 4339, Reasonably Rational wrote:Sonic gets some more scummy points in hindsight for putting a very short clock on the day, as we could have learned a tremendous amount more by pushing for a TW lynch without putting a case up first and getting people to commit to a position and make arguments, and only then put our case in the thread ... but Sonic decided unilaterally to speed the day up and refused to back off from that.
Are you kidding me?
1. How would I know that you have a case ready to destroy TW with? Am I supposed to read your mind and let you roast TW slowly for her partners?
2. The clock was NOT short. I was clearly wanting to hipshoot, then I should wait 24 hours for NicCage to announce any guilty, and Titus suggesting 48 hours, which seemed ~reasonable~, so I agreed.
3. I scumread Titus before you posted your case. According to the TimeStamps of when I sent the message to Farside, I wrote a paragraph of why I thought Titus was scum. I will check the timestamps later to prove it to you. About 8 hours later, you posted your case. This already proves that my interactions with Titus are not scum-scum, unlike what you have been accusing me of today.
In post 4339, Reasonably Rational wrote:Speeding the day up and limiting the info that town can possibly get isn't a town motivated move.
I'm Sonic. I speed shit up. It could have been faster. Recount the actions yesterday if you have to; I gave you just enough time to post your case and lynch scum. It all went well in the end. Justifies the means.
In post 4339, Reasonably Rational wrote:I'll be expecting to see genuine effort from Sonic at solving the game and finding scum, and if either head balks, I will view that as strong evidence that they are scum.
What head? It's only me. And I've been finding scum all game, so that's par for the course.
In post 4342, Reasonably Rational wrote:In fact, you have no reason to exclude grapes from the list, but grapes isn't there. You have no real reason to lynch Hermit or Klingon either.
Right. Wrong.
In post 4342, Reasonably Rational wrote:We had a plan, you didn't keep to it, and you tried to lie to the town.
How did he lie to the town?
At least, at least, he didn't lie that he checked me and got a result. Although I'm not sure how that helped. I told him multiple times to check me.
In post 4343, Reasonably Rational wrote:Probably the same reason why he didn't gladiate to save MP...still loss of an extra scum role, MP would still get lynched(but maybe another day, after sonic), and it's suspicious enough he'd be at risk of dying as a result.
Are you literally kidding me? Before your flawed "case", I could easily gladiate anybody Day 4, let MP survive until night,KILL YOU, and you won't be here. My gladiate is a town power role, and I'm town for the same reasons Mastina and Xtomx are. Stop. Ignoring.Evidence.
In post 4347, Reasonably Rational wrote:I have a single, extremely strong piece of evidence that sonic is scum,
-___- earlier you said it was a tenuous link.
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In post 4430, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 4429, Reasonably Rational wrote:My death on N4 does nothing to change the fact that you would have been obviously acting to derail a lynch on scum (to mastin, at least, who can be very vocal you know), and resulted in his lynch, and then yours. Or maybe even your lynch that day, and then his. I see it as perfectly reasonable for scum you to not take that risk.
I think you need to read in context instead of reading in a vacuum.
Whatever! Why are you voting me instead of fuzzy?
In post 4432, Metal Sonic wrote:Following your reads progression.
why am i even playing on this account-
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In post 4429, Reasonably Rational wrote:Waiting is almost always the best thing to do with these sorts of things, but everyone's stupidly impatient.
dude. i waited for 48 hours. for you to post your case on titus.
we eventually lynched scum, so that's great! now, if you could get off your tunnel on me, that would be greater!-
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In post 4431, Reasonably Rational wrote:The better question is why am I voting you rather than grapes.
Why are you voting me rather than grapes?
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i am a lazy bum and forgot to check for partner-partner interactions for grapes.
i think it is obvious from my tone that i still don't value RR "insisting that TW must have gotten the role from me" and hence I am just inspecting grapes.
like i said many times, it could just be some PR shenanigans. but because my head is on the chopping block/i am being pressured etc-
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In post 4442, mastin2 wrote:So I checked.
On August 7th, Sonic asked to be targeted with night actions.
But that's the only thing in there. He never fullclaimed, just softclaimed.
It's on the 2nd page. August 11.
It's true that I never full claimed 100%, only soft claimed (didn't trust grapes 100%, and for good measure). But the claim was solid enough information for Titus to "guess" it in the event she received the information... Which also adds up, because it means she wasn't lying about that.-
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So I was thinking about this game in the shower and figured out that RR's 'tenuous link' of a player (me, or others) passing the information to Titus might be negated by just this one idea.
Firstly, we note that this entire game is built on the premise of neighborhoods. Every player can join a neighborhood every night, and all players will retain information from previous nights. This has massive town utility: Obvtown players can re-ally with each other to bounce ideas and create a strong town block. The only caveat is if a scum player sneaks into these neighborhoods, but all things considered these shifting neighborhoods based on player choicebenefit town greatly.
Secondly, there are three pre-set neighborhoods/masons in the game. The first unfortunate flips true mason flips, Ruby and Sapphire. The next botched masons-who-were-supposed-to-be-masons, vezok and beer. The last hood-that-has-a-confirmed-town-and-are-probably-masons-too, the RR hood.This is infinitely town sided no matter what way you look at it. The reason why the first two masonries blew were simply because of bad luck and botched play. The third hood could be argued as "not a masonry", but there is actually an IC in there.
Considering the craziness of the previous scum flips (Notably, the creativity of Varsoon's flips of TW and Frogger), as well as the very specialized and tactical-for-one-purpose-only Maxwell's strongman, I suddenly realise that it isIMPOSSIBLEthat the scumteam does not have a Neighborhood Counter. Going by the track record, and by game balance, the scumteam should have a role (yet unflipped) that could pierce these sacred sanctuaries of neighborhoods.
Currently, the only player who has claimed a neighborhood-related ability is Constantine the Bear. Then, this can go two ways (as usual).
1) Constantine is town.
Almost all of the roles in this game has a similar duplicate, some by town, some by scum. Note: Town rolecop, Scum rolecop. Day 1 Treestump, No-Alliance Treestump. Town Commuter, Scum Ascetic. Town 1 shot Roleblock, Scum Jailkeep. It is not impossible that the scum has a similar duplicate ability, but this time more scum-sided/less invasive.I am suggesting a Neighborhood Spy, who could access/view a PT but post at your own peril!This will serve as a counter to all the confirmed masonries in the game, as well as the semi-masonries that may occur if a clique of townblocks happen. This can reliably explain the source of TW's information.
2) Constantine is scum.
Since his role is invasive, he could not have entered our neighborhood to receive the information. However, there might be more to his role that he has not claimed. For example, he could also turn invisible for one night. Besides, by play, he is fucking scummy. He's not scumhunting and he is just plain lurking, and if you know his meta well, you will realise that Constantine is a player who sucks at being scum. Like ika. In Saki mafia, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=62582 his play was lurky, lackluster, lack of scumhunting, trolly, and he got lynched Day 1 For The Win.
Conclusion: Given the game's reliance on neighborhoods, and the three masonries, it is possible that there is a scum PR that counters them by stealing information from such hoods. This can explain everything that RR is confused about.-
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Also, I'm just checking Day 3 and Day 4 to confirm my theory, but I saw this, Mr Steven.
In post 3127, Reasonably Rational wrote:For the sake of the game state, either Sonic X or Fro99er need to be lynched today, and since we believe that Fro99er is town, then the logical move is to take Sonic X to the gallows today.
You're biased. You've been biased since the start of the game. You don't like my playstyle.
Please stop.
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