Three-Pronged Trouser God Mafia GAME OVER- Happy Ending?

[White Narcissus]

yeah that's precisely what I felt the case was when I read the "he is either obvtown or scum" bullshit

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

are you townreading them nacho?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

you know you can actually ISO your "no memory" reads, right?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

why would a person invest time for a three paged, 50-postsed argument on whether a lurker is scum or not? I call bullshit. scum of scumland

why am i not scum and mara is? I was part of the argument too.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Why is TTH written here?

Wisdom replaced TTH, then he swapped himself with our hydra.

Either way finished reading, Wisdom asked me about ikahydra, while i wanted them dead previously for the health of the game wrt Titus vs ika and me valuing Titus VCA more than anything ika can bring here, I do agree that's ika's scum meta to lurk a lot, and hence i have no qualms moving our vote there, I also had a scumread on TIP, not entirely based on apathy, the TIP not posting here while posting elsewhere was brought up by gork, i just went to double check that it was true and agreed, but my read on TIP was mostly sheeping Mara, Wisdom is free to agree or disagree with me and move his vote to sheep Nacho, as i've been busy the previous weekend and barely have been paying attention anyway.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I should probably just leave, my sheer existance here is a distraction and I ALWAYS have this bullshit every day 1. It's starting to get to be a tell as to my slot's alignment.

So what does everyone think about this.

I already said that's town.
Also since wis isn't around anyway i'll just move our vote

Unvote
Vote: Idiot Savant

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

The reasons you two scumread me in Saki were completely different than the reasons he's scumreading me here. It's like he found one post he could sorta dislike and base a scumread off of and bullshitted the reasoning for it. Plus, he only voted me when Imperium pushed him about that, too, and voted me in a "oh, meh, okay," way instead of "Oops, should be voting him!" kind of way; in this situation, the latter would read as more town to me than the former.

first of all farside scumread you in this game, not Saki. Second, it doesn't matter what reasons he gave. When someone's playstyle is making you dislike them it's hard to explain why you scumread them. TIP just picked a post that felt was most scummy.

What's important is that I understand why someone would be scumreading you.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

So apathetic he completely ignores someone stating a 100% read accuracy on him?

he didn't even know Mara is in the game, so yes, he never read that.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

You scumread me in Saki for egotistical and dismissive play?

I scumread you for your playstyle. I don't know if those are the adjectives I'd use, but it's scummy looking.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

yes, scummy. I don't remember what exactly I didn't like about it. I just knew i thought he was scum.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

@mod

our vote is on Idiot Savant

[White Narcissus]

who now replaced out, and I'm not interested in anymore

UNVOTE:

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

TIP

my question

[White Narcissus]

TIP:

VOTE: TIP

You make me sad, my love.

I declare him scum off my experience of perfect record of reading him

what do you think about this? Mara actually did mention her 100% accuracy on you and said you are scum.

[White Narcissus]

i dont think that's a rolefish

we're talking about the person who claimed his self-watch out of nowhere. he's not the smartest person

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

though he does have a point that wondering about something that is already bolded in thread is not really rolefishing

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

how about you stop calling every wagon that happens a counterwagon to someone

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Oh hi vezok, dont think i've forgotten about that time where you shot obvtown in the face with your vig shot back in Touhou Upick 2
So ikahydra which was a slot i wanted to lynch due to being scum and policy, has been replaced with a slot that i also want to lynch but via policy and still scum, happy with my vote there!

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Or wisdom unvoted >_>

Vote: vezok

Trust me this guy's a danger to town regardless of his actual alignment. And it's a guy i DONT want to ever play again with.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I TRUST vezokpiraka
He is telling everyone his alignment is town
which he wouldnt everrrr do as scum why would scum everrrr lie?

The more i read this game the more i want to replace out of here, seriously... specially because of posts like this one.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Or wisdom unvoted >_>

Vote: vezok

Trust me this guy's a danger to town regardless of his actual alignment. And it's a guy i DONT want to ever play again with.

~Sakura

oh hell no


/fart


Vezok is good

/fart fart

I literally don't care what his alignment is, but i had a scumread on ikaslot, vezok is someone i'm never playing with again, and i'll either vote him throughout the rest of the game until me or he dies or i'll let wisdom run this hydra solo, i am NOT going to go through what he put me through in Touhou Upick 2 ever again.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I wish I wasn't townreading saint now

Anyway I'm apparently on my own until vezok is dead, says Sakura

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

id love to see a white narcissist lynch today

too bad

[White Narcissus]

Either way finished reading, Wisdom asked me about ikahydra, while i wanted them dead previously for the health of the game wrt Titus vs ika and me valuing Titus VCA more than anything ika can bring here, I do agree that's ika's scum meta to lurk a lot, and hence i have no qualms moving our vote there, I also had a scumread on TIP, not entirely based on apathy, the TIP not posting here while posting elsewhere was brought up by gork, i just went to double check that it was true and agreed, but my read on TIP was mostly sheeping Mara, Wisdom is free to agree or disagree with me and move his vote to sheep Nacho, as i've been busy the previous weekend and barely have been paying attention anyway.

~Sakura

Also since wis isn't around anyway i'll just move our vote

Unvote
Vote: Idiot Savant

~Sakura

but i had a scumread on ikaslot

People not reading in games.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

This is literally my last post here until vezok dies, have fun wis

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

pisskop, farside, you are both town, plz stop

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I don't share the vezok hate but in the one game I've played with him I was heavily scumreading him and he somehow was town, so I won't miss him

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

annoying doesn't mean scum, guys. I don't see any scum motivation coming from pisskop.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

That's not why pisskop is town. Like I said, stop treating every wagon as resistance to some other wagon.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

if you just want a flip then vote vezok with us

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

pisskop is still town

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

nobody is voting vezok because ika replaced out

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

your case is shit

Give me one reason scum say "omg I see a scumtell but I refuse to tell you what it is"

You can't be any more shallow than this

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

your case is shit

Give me one reason scum say "omg I see a scumtell but I refuse to tell you what it is"

You can't be any more shallow than this

~Wis

1. pretend to scumhunt
2. invent yourself a reason to jump on the wagon
3. profit?

/master

And the reason you invent is something you can't back up?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I shoot you, because I thought you were scum. You fucking investigated scum and said he was town. Of course I didn't think you were obvtown

In a game where actions can't be faked and i was obviously a public JOAT, who just happened to investigate the godfather, and then you're blaming me?! seriously, i don't want to see your face ever again, please never replace into a game i'm in ever again after this.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Because you expect that the wagon will have taken off and you wouldn't need to explain yourself anyways if it had, and/or you persuaded people enough to follow you on your vagueness that the lynch will happen before they wise up to it.

that's bullshit really. When you say "I saw a "scumtell" you KNOW you will be asked to explain it. You don't say it when you can't back it up.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

pisskop is not stupid

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

pisskop is still town, vezok still needs death, the day still needs to end

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

what is so fucked about the gamestate? We could probably greatly benefit by the day ending but that's it.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Sakura being wishy washy about it is ridiculous scum induced hydra dissonance.

How many times have you played with this hydra.
In addition to that how many times have wisdom and I disagreed on reads when we aren't in hydra.
You should know that this is likely to happen.

I don't really care much if you lynch me tho i have barely been paying attention to the game since vezok replaced in, and wisdom seemed to have dissapeared.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Wis kept pushing for a vezok lynch but not once did I see him explain why vezok was scummy.

He probably wanted to get me back into the game, since i explicitly told him that i wouldn't play together with vezok and i wouldn't post or do anything until vezok died.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I will however vote Saint, he first defended vezok, then said "NO THIS IS SCUM VEZOK" and Vezok flipped town.
Still haven't been able to talk to wis since day start.

Vote: Saint

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Okay, Sakura, self vote, I'm positive you're scum. I've been trained to deal with you and Wisdom. BRING IT ON!!!

I don't selfvote... as much anymore at least. I don't care if you're pushing me, go ahead call the whole town if you want.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Yeah Saint is terrible.

We'll lynch you first. Your hydra's potential to wreck the town as scum is definitely not something we should keep around.

So it's a policy vote because wis is good at being scum or what?
If you can't read wisdom then read me.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I read both of you. You both are scum.

I'm not stopping you, all I ask is to at least let me do my thing and try to find you a scum lynch (for tomorrow if you lynch me today) at least.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

This is odd phrasing. If you're town wouldn't you expect scum to also jump on your wagon?

The town as in the playerlist, how many times have you not seen that phrasing being used.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Also i remember reading in the Scum PT of Saki Achiga that Hermit says that he trolls 80% of the time as scum, so he might as well be scum here

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Negative. You get lynched today.


Simply put, you have too little paranoia of me, while Wisdom has too much. The roles are reversed, and so is the alignment.

I agreed with wisdom scumread when you were trolling, what.

~Sakura
P-Edit: what tap dancing.
I don't even remember what the most polarizing wagons were yesterday.

[White Narcissus]

Also on the people i want to lynch today, MoF/TIP/NakedJogger.

~Sakura

Or are you going to tell me you dont even know how to read?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Come on, you know what I mean. When you're town and I'm town, you'll do a certain ritual to attempt to sort me. None of that is seen here. It's cut and dry. You can't fake that, Sakura.

What ritual, stop talking BS

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

If what you say is true, link me those "rituals" because i don't even remember anything like that like ever. Go ahead, im waiting

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

If what you say is true, link me those "rituals" because i don't even remember anything like that like ever. Go ahead, im waiting

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I didn't do a ritual in Saki? (And i remember wanting you lynched through most of that game).

~Sakura

Me

[White Narcissus]

Sigh, whatever,
Wisdom can come and clean his own mess, I should just stop hydraing with someone that i'm gonna have hydra dissonance all the time.
After i destroy your case i'll leave this game for good

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Do you want me to link you to Saki, Sakura? Or do you want to do it yourself?

Link to saki, specifically to the posts that show said ritual.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Nice try, scumfuck.

Lynch all lairs

Unvote
Vote: MoF

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

*liars, but you know what i meant
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

If anything any game i've had with you show that i always have a hard time reading you, ever since our first game together, me reading you as scum was sheeping wisdom for the most part since idk how the F to read you and wisdom said you were trolling so he couldn't read you, so i don't get where you got this ritual BS, and in Saki I agreed with notty that you could be scum all the way up until you eventually got shot. And if you want i can show all my paranoia posts on your slot from saki since you love to bring that game so much.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Hmm looking back at it i did townread you in that game, idk why i remember scumreading you in that game tho, maybe because i wanted you dead to reduce the spamming

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I just ISO'd me in Saki and i dont see wtf you're talking about, I townread you, i can't remember why, might have been your Chandra push, I remember sheeping wisdom's read on you in this game, there was never any hydra dissonance between us wrt your slot because i wasn't even attempting to read you since i had wisdom who's supposedly good at it, i'll ask him about your slot again.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

*still waits for sonic to link the supposed ritual i do to sort him*

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Or rather, you can't link something that's non-existant, you're lying.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Yeah no.
You said i do a ritual to sort you.
I say you're lying to try to get me mislynched.

Is in your best interest to prove to whoever you're trying to convince that you're not lying.
But since you're lying, then you can't prove it.
Ergo you're scum looking for a mislynch.

Also im fairly confident that anyone comparing my ISO here with Saki will know i have the same alignment in Saki so i'm not worried about that.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=62582 <- Saki game.
There i did half your homework, now tell me which is the ritual

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

People have townread me this game?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

so you're trying to say that me playing as an alt pretending to be newbie and not knowing anyone = how i would play as my main.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Have I mistaken?

Then hmm. I wonder why.

I'll give you a hint... because i'm Sakura.
Honestly your BS is tiring me.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Come on now, don't change the topic. I was talking about how you weren't bothering to sort me at all in this game, almost as if you knew I'm town. Considering you're suspicious of me in almost every game that we play, that sticks out like a sore thumb.

I already said why i wasnt bothering to read you in this game.
Sigh... talking with you is like talking with a wall.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

You know what, go ahead enjoy your mislynch im done with this game, wisdom can sort you out, i never bothered trying.

Unvote
Vote: WN

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I'm just a negative utility role anyway, no one would miss me

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

While im not sure if wis will continue i'll still post from the hydra.
I do find the fact that Titus focused on the GF thing rather than actually being town rather odd, I agree with Gork there.
As for whoever was asking (Forgot who) Godfather is usually a role given only to scum, so a Role Cop would get "Godfather" not "Mafia Godfather" or "Town Godfather" which is why it's a miller to rolecops.

Unvote

While i get my thoughts in order, becuase i was pretty sure Titus was town yesterday

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Ok wis said he'll continue in but he wont post as much since he's busy.
@Sonic: You wouldn't even know your own sanity in a bastard game, I know i'm town and your result is wrong or you're lying.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Sigh, this is why i hate Bastard games.
I'm not gonna put any resistance anymore if MoF wants to lynch us based on a lie from the mod.
I'll help lynch Titus however

Vote: Titus

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I should have stuck to what i said last time when i hydra'd with GIF last time that i would never join a bastard game again. But well if im gone early the less time i have to spend here anyway

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Also. As far as I've read, noone has claimed any of the kills, have they? This means it's a multiball.

nope, jaqen claimed the pisskop kill

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

They mentioned it here:

UGH IS THIS REALLY SO FUCKING HARD

I crumbed it like 3 times already
we have a guilty on WISDOM/SAKURA

Here's my initial reply to it:

I apologize for getting mad at you sonic, i thought you were misreading me and that caused me to ragequit. Whatever guilty you may have doesn't change that I'm town, but if it's a tracker/watcher guilty you're in for some yelling coz we claimed Gravedigger like in our first post.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

so ms, what is this "guilty" that isn't a cop, a tracker or a watcher?

you shouldnt mind outing what the result is since you want us lynched, no?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

also for the record titus looks town to me and this lynch is silly

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

also since this seems to be common knowledge that I dont have...where does it say this is a bastard game?

here

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I dont understand why it is silly.

there is a result....it says guilty.

there is no reason to do anything else BUT lynch him...her. if she flips town...then we have an issue

guilties mean nothing in a game you know there are moderator lies.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

what coincidence?

it's a weird claim but that's more of a reason to think scum-titus wouldn't make it

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

os doesnt have a guilty, voided

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

UNVOTE:

no hammers

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Op mentions nothing about it being bastard, though?

it was advertised as bastard ergo it's bastard
op doesn't matter

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Not a guilty Dram. I'm a chair remember. This may as well be though. Saint is Obvscum.

[White Narcissus]

also ms probably doesn't have a result at all

wouldnt be the first time

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I thought the purpose of a town godfather was to appear as godfather to role cops which is associated with scum.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

But didnt we have a miller claim already?
I also assume negative would be either no result or scum.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

he isnt

also titus is obviously town

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

and before constantine continues with his bullshit

can we agree that town=commune and not town = not commune from now on?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

We have a guilty on WN. It isnt hard. Not a wprd about the commune. GUILTY.

what kind of guilty is that? Help me help you understand where you're wrong, because we're still not scum and I don't think you are either.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

fwiw i feel similarly in regards to mof - their claiming a guilty on us made me think they're likely town. So it's not really ridiculous.

Gork, thinking that you can't have a guilty because of her role makes sense. It was supposed to give you a negative (town in Titus's mind) result, and you were claiming it did not, therefore she thought you were lying. Think about it.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

also ive been saying titus is town before any momentum changes

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

not if you were insane or fucked with. her role however would give you a negative.

why does scum-titus claim something so fucked up?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

that doesn't match my experience with scum-Titus. How many games have you played with her?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

i have played twice with her, in one of them I got her lynched and she wasn't playing like she is here at all. In the other one I was her scumbuddy and she wasn't really under pressure at any point so it's irrelevant.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

yeah i meant twice with her being scum

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

game

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

ms im still not scum, apologies

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

constantine nobody cares about your bullshit, please stop

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

titus the sensor killer thing was trolling

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

titus gork is town and the guilty isn't faked

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

constantine do you get the number of "anti-commune" or "scum"?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

i dont think titus is scum

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

because people don't always do what you expect from them. "x is scum because he could do this yet didn't" is bullshit.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

@ckd To clarify, I think Gork is town, the guilty is genuine, but inaccurate.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

also Titus, mos never said they're a cop

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

P-edit: MoF would not claim a guilty on a gravedigger as tracker.

they would if they missed we are a gravedigger. they could also be faking the guilty altogether. The important point is they haven't said they're a cop.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

gork that's a stupid point really. I think mos is town and I want them to out what kind of "guilty" they have so I can understand wtf is happening. It's not because I want to fish their role. Same for Titus.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

In assumption that this game is multiball,

we had two kills and one of them was claimed by jaqen as being a vig. So what makes you assume multiball?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

What is a grabedogger and who is one?

i knew it

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

ahaha

like my instant reaction upon seeing the guilty was "these idiots missed our claim"

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

a cop guilty?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

oh, that didn't cross my mind. yeah, a person reversing all investigations is more likely than two insane cops

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

you got a random message that "white narcissus are guilty"?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

farside's point wasn't that "commune" is missing from flubber's flip in the op (which is probably a mod omission), it was that town=commune

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

so a cop guilty then?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

if it wasn't random it means you investigated us and got it, right?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Who wants to join my third party satanic masochism cult tonight?

I would rather join a cult than deal with this town of derps that don't know what a bastard game is. u.u (still haven't finished reading)

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

they're fucking scum by play

lel. we've been pretty obvtown and you (i assume you're ms) should be quite aware of that since you know us both.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

they're fucking scum by play

lel. we've been pretty obvtown and you (i assume you're ms) should be quite aware of that since you know us both.

~Wis

lel. no you're fucking obvscum

the day you catch me as scum isn't anywhere close

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

id rather he gets vig'd

how would you feel about a slobber/xtoxm/loren/dram lynch?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

i also wouldn't mind an imperium lynch/vig at some point or another

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

i hope you realize you're an idiot when titus flips

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

because she doesn't look like scum-titus

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

the worst part is that scum can hop on the idea of lynching/vigging the "guilties" and look normal for doing so because that's what town would do

after titus and I have flipped you'll find plenty of scum in those "yeah let's lynch titus and WN" sheepers.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

WN you keep defending Titus but you aren't voting anyone else so it really just looks like you don't care who's lynched and want to get your scumbuddy out of a tough situation.

I'm not even going to try to defend against that, because.... you guessed it! hydra dissonance again:

Sigh, this is why i hate Bastard games.
I'm not gonna put any resistance anymore if MoF wants to lynch us based on a lie from the mod.
I'll help lynch Titus however

Vote: Titus

~Sakura

Either case i don't know why Wisdom thinks Titus is town, I was fairly convinced she was town yesterday, but I know MoF's guilty on me is bollocks so im more willing to believe Gork's guilty on Titus being correct.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

if i had any real scumreads id vote

i said what lynches id like to see

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

also if titus was my scumbuddy id much more likely be deathtunneling on someone else and trying to lynch him over titus - just ask oversoul

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

nah, just a standard titus push

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

spiffeh has felt shallow since d1, but i dont know if that's newbness or scumminess

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

you provided an example just now.

Why do you instantly go for "this is scum motivated" instead of the much simpler conclusion of "titus doesn't go for Titus because there is no support there"? She nowhere said she doesn't suspect TIP anymore.

You don't look for the motivations behind things. You just take actions and call them scummy.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

titus doesn't go for Titus

for TIP*

[White Narcissus]

Another fresh example is you calling me Titus's scumbuddy because I am not buying the guilty on her. You don't stop to think that I as her scumbuddy would have much more to gain by bussing her, first of all. And if I really wanted to save her, I would actually do what you accused me of not doing, push other people and make them look as prettier lynches than Titus. You just take what's on the surface, someone objecting to lynching a guilty, and saying that makes them scumbuddies. That's what you being shallow is.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

i dont see where she dropped her TIP scumread. Not pushing it is not dropping it.

also I have plenty more examples. I called you out on being shallow after your second post or so, but apparently you forgot.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I have expressed why I believe you're scummy at like the very beginning of the day. It's not because you are objecting to a Titus lynch.

that was not the point. You did state that me objecting to it makes me look like a Titus buddy.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

oh, speaking of your reason at the beginning of the day, I never said vezok was scummy

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I thought I made it clear that Vezok was policy + ika scum meta?
I guess you're not paying much attention to the posts of the person you're scumreading.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

another thing

Yeah I definitely feel that there's some weird ass sanity shit going on with these cop claims/guilties.

you're supposedly skeptical about the guilties, yet you have continuously treated both titus and us as confirmed scum and have even looked for our scumbuddies (you called Voided a Titus scumbuddy for instance). That doesn't look like you were being honest.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

The reasons I wanted vezok lynched were

a) I hated the pisskop wagon, as he was obviously town yet people kept idiotically calling him scum.

b) My only experience with vezok was me scumreading him when he was town, so I can't read him. Therefore he was a fine D1 lynch, especially given I didn't have a scumread I'd rather lynch.

c) Sakura sternly stated she's not playing until vezok dies. If vezok didn't die, I'd have to replace out because I can't handle this game solo in my current RL situation.

I never said he was scummy or that I scumread him. I did say I wanted him to die two or three times.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Spoiler: Vezok related stuff

I should probably just leave, my sheer existance here is a distraction and I ALWAYS have this bullshit every day 1. It's starting to get to be a tell as to my slot's alignment.

So what does everyone think about this.

I already said that's town.
Also since wis isn't around anyway i'll just move our vote

Unvote
Vote: Idiot Savant

~Sakura

Oh hi vezok, dont think i've forgotten about that time where you shot obvtown in the face with your vig shot back in Touhou Upick 2
So ikahydra which was a slot i wanted to lynch due to being scum and policy, has been replaced with a slot that i also want to lynch but via policy and still scum, happy with my vote there!

~Sakura

Or wisdom unvoted >_>

Vote: vezok

Trust me this guy's a danger to town regardless of his actual alignment. And it's a guy i DONT want to ever play again with.

~Sakura

Anyway I'm apparently on my own until vezok is dead, says Sakura

~Wis

This is literally my last post here until vezok dies, have fun wis

~Sakura

Wis kept pushing for a vezok lynch but not once did I see him explain why vezok was scummy.

He probably wanted to get me back into the game, since i explicitly told him that i wouldn't play together with vezok and i wouldn't post or do anything until vezok died.

~Sakura

Yes i wanted him policy'd, and I told wis i wouldn't participate until vezok died.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Scumbuddy is a term I usually use jokingly when someone buddies someone I'm scumreading. Hence the term!

Scumbuddy is a term widely used for people that are scum together, so don't blame others for misinterpretation.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

and no, scumbuddy is not your term. Scumbuddy means scum partner. Which you evidently know given 2563 and other posts.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Fresh can we have some other reads of yours so we can figure out your scumbuddies?

this for example makes it super clear you know exactly what "scumbuddy" means.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

VOTE: spiffeh

i doubt anyone's gonna listen since we're supposed to be "guilty" and stuff, but in case anyone wants to lynch actual scum

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

There's also the possibility of redirector, tailor, framer, nexus, lightning rod, bus driver and rubber chicken. But sure, alien psychotrooper.

those others don't explain two guilties on town. well, except lightning rod but two people dying makes that impossible

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

when titus is obviously town and she's getting lynched because of a guilty in a bastard game, yeah it is.

~Wis

pedit: @nacho

[White Narcissus]

There's also the possibility of redirector, tailor, framer, nexus, lightning rod, bus driver and rubber chicken. But sure, alien psychotrooper.

those others don't explain two guilties on town. well, except lightning rod but two people dying makes that impossible

~Wis

While I'm glad to see you two are on cloud 69, I still see no reason to doubt both guilties.

your point was why Titus was thinking of something that produces two guilties instead of other roles that produce one.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

why the fuck does scum-titus claim a godfather?

how have any of her reactions today been scum-titus?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

she needed to claim godfather to have that knowledge? simply being town wouldn't provide it?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

correct what? you're full of bullshit.

she could just go "im town, therefore gork is lying". There was no need for such a claim.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

So she made a claim full of bullshit so just she could push gork with more certainty when she could just push him anyway and blame sanities

yeah, I am not buying it. She could have made a million better claims and still push gork.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I am currently going with her psychotrooper theory given mof also got a guilty on us and don't look like they're making it up either. If not a psychotrooper, then something else that reverses investigations.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I am currently going with her psychotrooper theory given mof also got a guilty on us and don't look like they're making it up either. If not a psychotrooper, then something else that reverses investigations.

~Wis

Psychotrooper doesn't reverse investigations, it makes all investigations insane. An insane cop result on a Godfather would still return "town".

nope, psychotrooper does reverse them, i had it recently in a greater idea

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Psychotrooper

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

So many people are concerned with defending Titus without offering up alternatives (Fresh, WN until recently) which makes me think that Titus actually is scum.

getting repetitive, but this is bullshit as scum usually do come up with alternatives when they really want to defend someone

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Making them insane = reversing the results

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

insane is not paranoid

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

insane cops get the reversed result, not always guilty like paranoid

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

yeah, therefore a psychotrooper makes them insane, aka reversing the results

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

godfather returns innocent, the psychotrooper reverses that to guilty

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

remember this half the game ago? "White Narcissist has been running up wagons. Their voting history is scummy as can be. They basically started the wagon on TheIrishPope, moved to MoF, and are not pushing vezokpiraka under the guise of it being grudgevote. What I really feel like is happening is they are pushing easy, easy mislynches"

i always enjoy people in their first game with me

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

titus is town dude.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

and wait, you think that mof's result can be wrong but yours can't?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

sure.
im not 100% confident in my sanity.
i think titus is still scum beyond my guilty on her.
i just think it adds to the likelihood that shes scum.

well you just don't know how to read her.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

scum don't fucking claim a godfather ffs

just like scum don't claim what Saint is claiming

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

WN is scum

nah you just dislike my playstyle like everyone before you

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

sure, scum claim things that look terrible because that will totally help them survive

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

your example is bullshit, 1-shot roleblocker is a legit claim that depending on the setup can look town. it can't possibly compare to godfather.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

why the fuck is there this much resistance on d2 to such an obviously right wagon

it must be her scumbuddies, like it was for vezok and pisskop

seriously, this argument

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

WISDOM.
SHE CLAIMED IT ON D4.
AND SAID SHE ROLEBLOCKED ME N1.
AND THERE WAS NO NIGHTKILL THAT NIGHT.
IT MADE NO SENSE.
I WANT TO SCREAM.

what doesn't make sense about that?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

because you can't be sure, in a fucking large (i think that's what you said it was), that your roleblock was the one that stopped the kill. The point is claiming a roleblocker is trying to appear town, claiming a godfather isn't.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

sure, stop, and when she flips town you better get me vigged too because i obviously was scum WKing her

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

moonlogic

lel

yeah, what

I'm

saying is moonlogic, not that titus claimed godfather so she can argue with certainty that gork was lying when she could do it anyway with a much better claim.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

yeah I'm sure claiming godfather is an obvious example of scum fucking up

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

like fucking think about it. Your example, that IS an example of scum fucking up. She attempted to claim something that looked town, but didn't think that it won't be believable she didn't claim it earlier. Here how the fuck is it fucking up? What did she miscalculate?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

=/

What the hell did i just read

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

All I remember about Titus is scumreading her on her town game, and townreading her on her scum game, so i'm not sure I can really talk about being able to read her or anything, but I doubt both cops are Insane.
Also instead of arguing to what kind of cop gets what result on a GF why not just ask the mod?

@Mod: What result would an Insane Cop get on a Godfather?

I don't know why all this arguing is even necessary.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

i dont think farside is scum, why?

~Wis

pedit: @mara

[White Narcissus]

how do you feel about spiffeh?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Fine. I'll unvote.

Unvote

Call me when I get to actually play without an alt.

btw has anyone seen scum-Titus use this level of AtE?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

well, here is who I am townreading

{Titus, MoF, Jaqen, Oversoul, Saint, farside, Profgessor, Gorkington, Voided}

I could maybe add ZZZX, Fresh, Constantine, TIP and perhaps ckd to those but I am not as confident.

That leaves {Loran, Imperium, Spiffeh, Aneninen, dramonix, xtoxm, Slobber}.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

though Loran, xtoxm and slobber are more lurkers than scumreads, and Aneninen I just don't like his posting style and his dumbness. Imperium is that I feel Nacho and Tammy should be clearly town by now yet they aren't, but given how the last two games with Nacho were I don't feel confident in pushing this. And then there's dram and Spiffeh who are actually scummy.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

And, this titus wagon is shit, and I am surprised nacho is endorsing it

same. I feel like Nacho should know better.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

You wanna make a counter to the titus wagon

Onto xtoxm? Iir , I still found him going either way

i wouldnt mind that, but i'd prefer spiffeh

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

i think she thought she was answering to titus

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

ofc you would love lynching town and justifying it as "we were gaining info about sanities"

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I love how people are thinking that we seriously have 2 Sane cops on a Bastard game. 2 Cops is already very OP on a regular theme game, yet no one is questioning the existence of 2 here?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

2 insane cops is just as unlikely though imo, that's why i think a role that reverses the results is more likely

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

oh, I forgot about HU2 - that makes 3 games with scum-Titus then

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Sorry Wis I doubt it, i think Gork's the sane and MoF's the Insane.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

It's like the only investigative role that exists is cop!
INCREDIBLE!

um

they've both claimed cop

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Titus should be lynched for her scummy behavior IN ADDITION to the guilty on her btw

except she doesn't have a scummy behavior

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

oi dram

you really think ut was just like "lol lets make the game bastard just so i can put in a cop that doesnt work"?
okay.

let's test my sanity, shall we?

^cop claims

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

what else is there? they also admitted to not being tracker or watcher (which wouldn't have a guilty anyway given our role)?

shos also described they got a message we are a guilty and it wasn't random.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

titus did you ask the mod whether "negative" means guilty or inno?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

ftr I interpret "negative" like Titus did (inno)

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

a cop guilty?

~Wis

I glt something similar to "today while jerking off you learn that shos is guilty" lol

^
Yeah totally the type of message a cop wouldn't get right?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

well it could always be ms thinking he's caught us and faking a guilty

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

though him calling me Titus's scumbuddy or saying I replaced out because I was too scared to defend were ridiculous if he doesn't actually have a guilty. He knows me much better than that.

~Wis