STEVEN UNIVERSE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[Sonic X]

do you want to know the color of my underpants too??

[Sonic X]

so titus has given up

thanks for playing

i am better than you

i beat you as scum but you cant beat me as scum titus

[Sonic X]

good thung i saw this before i went to bed

[Sonic X]

hold on im typing flavor

[Sonic X]

what the literal fuck

[Sonic X]

ah, titus knows how to push my buttons

tell you what, since you asked so nicely, i won't gladiate you and i'll let you get lynched for scumclaiming

i probably shouldnt make decisions at 1 am anyway =______=

[Sonic X]

damn but this would be the perfect time to go supersonic on confscum though

[Sonic X]

but then again, yeah, i would be wasting my ability


but then again, my gladiate is 1/1 and i want it to be 2/2

hmmmmm

[Sonic X]

whatever fuck this my brain isnt working fuck math im going to bed

if titus is still alive by the time i get home tomorrow i'll weigh this shit and shoot at will


please lynch confscum, im a pussy, thanks

[Sonic X]

WSFADSL;HGLADHGA;FAKL;DS;HFALKD;HGA;KLDH;LAKDHFA

[Sonic X]

you see this?



i am this close to pressing the trigger

p-edit: RR she is taking all the wine and dumping it on my head i cannot even

[Sonic X]

its on another tab btw

[Sonic X]

holy shit i just finished math and im about to go to bed



then again a lot of shit happens overnight

[Sonic X]

fuck it, im closing my laptop

[Sonic X]

Super Sonic is yellow, but he isn't diamond, sorry.

Are

you

Yellow Diamond, Constantine? Your bear looks Yellow.

[Sonic X]

i just was wondering why varsoon didnt pass my hood pt

then i realised farside died, fuck.

[Sonic X]

Well one thing is that your claim sucked

how does it suck? do you want to test it out?

why are you so active all of a sudden?

[Sonic X]

......

is this legit?

[Sonic X]

well a lot of stuff in this game doesn't make sense. why i couldnt see nobody visit me n1 to n3. why a scum had a doc invent. why you arent dead yet. point of the matter is that we dont have all the information in the game and if stuff don't make sense now, it will make sense in postgame.

nice case on titus though. thats 1 kill for you.

seriously, the only abilities i copied were a pizza vendor and a day messenger thanks to farside. the copy ability is next to worthless if i cant have anything to copy.


good news is, scum no longer have day chat. its easier to isolate and surround the remaining 2 scum. we're on a roll!

[Sonic X]

the scumteam looks fking buff. i want to see what the last 2 have.

im assuming 2 because of looking at the numbers, its more likely to be 5 scum instead of 4.

[Sonic X]

also, you were being pretty indiscreet about fuzzy have a lie detect, huh -_______________-

[Sonic X]

soooo it still doesn't make sense that TW knew your power, and nothing in their flip exonerated you.

this is kind of sad in the fact that it was proven that TW was lying about their rolecop claim and also their activation methods.

[Sonic X]

thoughts on why farside was killed? it looks like she died because of her PR, but possibly also because of her reads.


she was heavily townreading me and also heavily scumreading xtomx (as well as the others cooldog and constantine)

honest thoughts?

[Sonic X]

No. It isn't. I have rolecopped both you and Mastina. I got the same exact abilities for both. There's zero reason for a second three person masonry to appear in a game with two masons already.

So I ask again, how are you different from Mastina Xtoxm?

We know that this is untrue, so maybe Titus guessed that the two players should be symmetrical?

Honestly, I don't know why Titus wanted to rolecop me, there are better targets, such as yourself.

(Speaking of which, why didn't she rolecop you either?)


If my role was guessable as Titus said (just like your lie detect indiscretion), then it's plausible that Titus guessed it because she is very close to me and can somehow read my thoughts.

RR, the second paragraph of my long post literally had a statement that said "I am town. RR is wrong about me being scum". in it. Go check again. Not only does it prove my alignment, it also proves my role works as is (because, I do lie about my role as town too in some games ((Drixx can confirm this in SMITE Mafia)))

So, that was good value. >_>

exonerate you were TW flipping non yellow diamond

How?

TW flipping non yellow diamond would damn me, because it /would/ indeed suggest that I'm partners with her, as well as explain my bloodlust to lynch Frogger and Maxwell.

TW flipping Yellow Diamond proves without a doubt that your theory is wrong, mate. I mean the corollary; the first point about TW being scum was obviously correct.

Let's say I copied your IC and now I am proven town (as I'm about to be anyway). Who would you want me to gladiate?

[Sonic X]

Also, when did grapes claim Miller?

never remembered that.

[Sonic X]

what do you think about TW and constantine both baiting me to gladiate them?

[Sonic X]

Sonic: here's the problem, if ANYTHING in that long paragraph could return an I don't know result, or a false negative, then it will, and

you

we don't know if it was because you lied about your alignment!

ah yeah, damn. well, I tried my best :p but if it all returned true, thats perfect isn't it?

i doubt she actually rolecopped both mastin and xtomx, considering that she did not know about mastin and xtomx being different from each other and thus falsely assuming they were symmetrical and had to be corrected. she could have used it on you or me or someone else.


i may or may not have unconsciously crumbed to titus day 1 or 2. Titus is my best friend, so sometimes to build rapport we share info and try to determine each other alignment. I certainly stopped trusting her after she opposed the frogger lynch (note: frogger is a very strong scum PR!)



i dont think xtom and mastin are scum because she was pushing them the entire day 4 and 5. titus was playing a clear no-bus game here and since her push was done before you caught her, I think they are authentic and was according to her plans.



the reason titus scumslipped because she knew my ability and it was at the top of her mind. that's how all slips happen. because the scum have daychat, they could have been discussing that point recently. i must imagine that the scumchat had titus talking a lot and being bossy. now that the head of the serpent is dead, i think we win easily.

[Sonic X]

I think Constantine thinks your scum, and knows at least I'll be voting with him against you, and I think everything with TW bailIng you was theatre planned during the long silence in your scum PT.

-Cerb

i dont really give a shit about constantine's thoughts. he lurks as scum. farside called him scum and she died. i think he's reverse psyching here.


after fuzzy confirms me as town, then i make a move

[Sonic X]

Stop trying to spar with me here, you're wrong and clearly haven't even read the previous points made about these subjects, since you'd know your point was already addressed and shown to be wrong already if you had.

what am i wrong about?

i can't be yellow diamond for the same reason mastina and xtomx arent -- I could have simply diverted the lynch on season finale day with the gladiate, allow maxwell to live the night, he shoots you, and you'd be enjoying beer in the dead pt.


considering you were telling everyone and their grandma that you'd be conftown by day 5, that's neon lights yelling "please kill me"

so, no, you're wrong.

[Sonic X]

As I see it, today we lynch either fuzzy or you, I don't think aNY one else makes much sense.

that's really bad because if we both flip town (note: i am now townreading fuzzy) then you would have undone the merit of your TW lynch

so no, thats myopic

[Sonic X]

anyway the conversation ends here. theory discussion is fun, but it is also unproductive. we wait for fuzzy verdict, then we work from there. okay?

[Sonic X]

Sonic: SHE KNEW THE ABILITYS WERE DIFFERENT. She just tried to argue that adding a voteless modifier to one didn't change them, when it does change them. And no, you did not crumb to titus. I read your iso repeatedly to male sure we didn't fuck up the titus thing and there was nothing in thread that could even tangentially expose the details of your power. There was NOTHING.

Why did you ask me about Constantine if you don't care about him?

ok. i could read my iso later to remember if i did but i probably shouldn't have. however, i was literally begging in the thread to get people to visit me after like, n3, so that could have been her theory. ANYWAY, SPECULATION



i think i phrased it wrongly. I care about constantine and what his possible scum motivations are in mimicking what titus did yesterday. i don't care exactly if he thinks im scum or not, because if town, reads are shit, if scum, reads are fake.


next, thats a fine theory, but the loss is to burn fuzzy who is quite town and used to be the ideal mislynch. you think thats a good deal? you're the logic man, so tell me if that's a good deal or not, i don't do accounting.

[Sonic X]

question of the day: why did titus never cop you?

mysteries that dont make sense. ooh. just add that to the pile.

[Sonic X]

I don't believe you have a gladiate at all, actually, so your point about D4, in addition to being highly likely to out yourself, was also not a thing scum you could have done. I'm very prepared to be wrong about the gladiate thing though. :p

why do you assert that I lie about something provable?

of all things that is the least likely thing that I would lie about. Plus, i got scanned by a lie detector (alignment unknown)

[Sonic X]

its as dumb as titus accusing mastina lying about being conftown d3

except that her accusation was half true. lol

[Sonic X]

the reasons i reached for mastin and xtoxm being town are differnt from yours.

[Sonic X]

similarly for titus scum

[Sonic X]

ok, i think we are reaching an impasse about whether i am town or not. let's not discuss that and wait for fuzzy to prove that i am town. you feel that you cannot make sense of how titus "knew my role", but reaching at "sonic is scum" despite all the evidence that points to me as town suggests that we either overlooked something or there is not enough information on the table for you to reach the real answer. there have been a ton of other mysteries in this game (why didn't titus rolecop you?) which somehow you feel not pertinent to give a fuck about, so these "things that don't make sense" are actually pretty normal. I have been arguing this since you begun it.

what we

should

discuss, are issues regarding the game assuming that I am town, so that we can get back to work faster after the reveal.

[Sonic X]

Guys, I think I figured it out! I'm at school but the teacher didn't come to class so I have half an hour. An epiphany, I just remembered Grapes and I claimed to him (mastin was witness). I just take a look at the timestamps.


According to RR's catch, Titus posted the following quotes (note: Titus eventually admitted to knowing my role):

RR, there's another benefit to having Fuzzy visit Sonic. Shouldn't Sonic get his refiller? After all since Sonic hasn't used his gladiate since the season finale, it wouldn't get another shot. Yet now, we would have the refill in the hands of unquestioned town.

Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:05 am

So let me get this straight

Maxwell lynch today
Fuzzy + Sonic neighorize tonight
Sonic gladiates any scum suspect but Fuzzy after we decide who he gladiates tomorrow
Fuzzy refills Sonic, and gives him refilled ability?

Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:18 am


When I claimed in the Alliance with Grapes/Mastin that day, my most informative post was made

Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:38 am

This is just a little 24 hours before Titus slipped.

It is possible that the information was transferred during that period of time, and was a hot topic of discussion in the scum PT,

thus

it was at the top of Titus's mind causing her to slip. I mean, it fits as a recent topic of discussion.

Sorry I left that out the whole time >___<"


I might have to go for the next class any time soon, but do talk to me if this is possible, because a couple of stuff line up. I need to go home and check grapes' interactions with the dead scum.

Oh, and I am going to out grapes. Good news: He's Amethyst. Bad news: He's a miller? Does this fit flavor sense?

Worse news: He's a roleblocker. Apparently the only roleblocker we've seen. Soooooo.

[Sonic X]

If RR is so insistent that scum must have passed information to TW, then the only possibility is grapes.

RR asked me what other possibilities are there. Anything that makes sense. So I am telling him.

[Sonic X]

dude fuzzy i told you to check me

now they want to lynch both YOU and ME

[Sonic X]

^

[Sonic X]

Noway Mastin could of??

mastin is town because she lynched frogger and maxwell with me.

[Sonic X]

gotta go. bye.

[Sonic X]

Trust me, she did. I remember it.

vote for scum that were going down

no, this is not the case. i actively pushed scum and my presence caused them to be lynched. (frogger and maxwell) there is a difference.

guess what. Grapes have unlimited roleblocks. Farside is 1 shot.

Frogger was a very very limited jailkeeper.

Grape's role conflicts with both vezok's and farside's role (both town).

I'll check to confirm when i get home but these are the facts

Partially to grapes. I'm not saying a word to fuzzy yet, except who I am planning to gladiate soon.

seems like theres something wrong with the way im posting!

[Sonic X]

2) Why would grapes claim their roleblock at all? There's no reason to. Double voter is sufficient in and of itself. Roleblocker has a scum taint to it. Why would scum grapes rub that taint all over themselves for no reason?

me and mastina were obvious town so grapes came clean

[Sonic X]

By the metric you use, that of voting history etc, you're both equally likely to be town.

i never use voting history. my metrics include who is looking for scum, who would bus their partners when they're going down and NOT bus them when they are an important PR/situationally it would be suicide to bus them, who interacts with scum oddly or doesn't interact at all, who takes other players for town immediately at face value or shows inside knowledge that they know another player is town,

it's holistic. i don't do those deductive logical robot metrics like you or titus do. we are different. thats the way it is.

[Sonic X]

now i have a next class. bye.

[Sonic X]

I'm looking over Grapes' ISO now.

Me, Mastina and Grapes were in an alliance on Season Finale Day = We agreed to ally with one another Day 3, on the Day Frogger was lynched. This clearly was because we were all townreading each other. And we were townreading each other because we all helped to push Frogger.

I also liked his sheep onto Maxwell, though that can be attributed onto "knowing a partner was going down" as RR said, but townpoints still.


What I obviously don't like was his recent turnaround on me. Remember, shortly after RR's case, he posted this:

Trench claiming to somehow know sonic's exact role based on a crumb is pretty stretchy. Like, believable I guess if them and sonic are like telepathic or soul sisters or something.

The buddy I could make a case for either X or sonic honestly. But we've got enough wiggle room to purge all three so not too worried about it.

Sonic if you are scum bro, like, you had me fooled.

But like, you're a gladiator presumably and were the ultimate decider of our lynch today, so why until you get called out have you been all ghosty and vagueish. And then proceed to spend all your energy getting into a semantics debacle with conftown?

Reminds me of your hash out with beer honestly.

He was giving the benefit of the doubt, which was good, but then as a conclusion throws mud onto me. Also, attempts to reference "the hash out with beer", which is clearly mudslinging, Beer called me town.

I don't like your turnaround on fuzzy today either. Could you go more into that please? Because it feels scum motivated. Or at the very least makes your previous pushes feel fake.

This is even worse: He doesn't like my turnaround on fuzzy "because it feels scum motivated". Well, firstly, I was in an alliance with him, and secondly I would have had a very good reason to turnaround (scumread -> townread). It is known fact that changing a scumread into a townread is a town-motivated action, because it involves reevaluating reads, while changing a townread into a scumread is a scum-motivated action, because it is opening mislynches. My situation is the former. So that post was a lie, and I did call him out for it at the point in time.

scum on the day 1 wagon is sonic or xtoxm

When TW gets pressured, he suddenly shifts towards calling me scum despite nothing that would have pointed towards that.

The turnaround on fuzzy after he realized he could milk him for more shots. If you genuinely think somebody is scum then you don't just up and 180 on them because you've suddenly figured out you can use them. That's not a town mindset imo.

I mean like seriously. 180'ing is a town tell, especially when you realise that someone who is scum is actually town. 180'ing on a townread is a scumtell. So he attempted to misrepresent and mischaracterize me

after

the case was made on TW. That is a rapid readiness shift -- a change in behavior after a paradigm shift in the gamestate. This is what I am looking for -- who changes their behavior after the scumteam's probably-most-powerful PR gets threatened, and who sticks to their principles. Grapes also attempts to call out xtomx, I am leaning town (I have a little bit of doubt because farside was killed, but n00bs will call it wifom anyway)

And then this happens:

hey xtox we should ally dude

Talk about 180'ing... Unless grapes did not fullclaim to us in the Season Finale hood (suggesting he had a role to test xtoxm in this post), that's scummy for withholding info. If he wanted to ally xtomx because he thought he was town, that's hypocrisy right there.
________

After TW was lynched, he opens up a mislynch avenue here:

VOTE: sonic x

Here's my thought process. If his gladiate was actually intended to be used on day 1 and wasn't just a scumbag chilling around close to deadline to use it on a buddy after my hammer to obviously milk towncred, then why at this late stage in the game has he been so passive about using it?

Also Titus couldn't have rolecopped him because she is confirmed to have rolecopped mastin/xtoxm so her knowing unknown parts of his role looks a lot like buddies and all that jazz.

Lynch it to the ground!

I'm cool with a mass claim or whatever if that's what we're down to do.

Also the NK is so obviously done for wifom it's not even funny. So sonic asking about it just screams scum fishing for town to be all like "oh yea pfft why would sonic NK farside she was like defending him and stuff xD"

lol

What I do expect, if he is town, to fully stop pushing me but just leave the vote there. If he is scum however, he will go for the mislynch. That's my conclusion.

[Sonic X]

Speaking of Sonic ... didn't you claim that you are like best friends with Titus Sonic? You should be able to read through all those WIFOM posts and tell us what we should conclude from them. Preferably you should evaluate them individually please. Your claim to be so close makes you singularly and particularly well suited to that very necessary task.

Maybe if you'd stop trying to kill me you would actually listen to what I am saying.

I've already evaluated the "WIFOM posts" and stated my conclusions. Reread my ISO if you forgot.

Sonic gets some more scummy points in hindsight for putting a very short clock on the day, as we could have learned a tremendous amount more by pushing for a TW lynch without putting a case up first and getting people to commit to a position and make arguments, and only then put our case in the thread ... but Sonic decided unilaterally to speed the day up and refused to back off from that.

Are you kidding me?

1. How would I know that you have a case ready to destroy TW with? Am I supposed to read your mind and let you roast TW slowly for her partners?
2. The clock was NOT short. I was clearly wanting to hipshoot, then I should wait 24 hours for NicCage to announce any guilty, and Titus suggesting 48 hours, which seemed ~reasonable~, so I agreed.
3. I scumread Titus before you posted your case. According to the TimeStamps of when I sent the message to Farside, I wrote a paragraph of why I thought Titus was scum. I will check the timestamps later to prove it to you. About 8 hours later, you posted your case. This already proves that my interactions with Titus are not scum-scum, unlike what you have been accusing me of today.

Speeding the day up and limiting the info that town can possibly get isn't a town motivated move.

I'm Sonic. I speed shit up. It could have been faster. Recount the actions yesterday if you have to; I gave you just enough time to post your case and lynch scum. It all went well in the end. Justifies the means.

I'll be expecting to see genuine effort from Sonic at solving the game and finding scum, and if either head balks, I will view that as strong evidence that they are scum.

What head? It's only me. And I've been finding scum all game, so that's par for the course.

In fact, you have no reason to exclude grapes from the list, but grapes isn't there. You have no real reason to lynch Hermit or Klingon either.

Right. Wrong.

We had a plan, you didn't keep to it, and you tried to lie to the town.

How did he lie to the town?

At least, at least, he didn't lie that he checked me and got a result. Although I'm not sure how that helped. I told him multiple times to check me.

Probably the same reason why he didn't gladiate to save MP...still loss of an extra scum role, MP would still get lynched(but maybe another day, after sonic), and it's suspicious enough he'd be at risk of dying as a result.

Are you literally kidding me? Before your flawed "case", I could easily gladiate anybody Day 4, let MP survive until night,

KILL YOU

, and you won't be here. My gladiate is a town power role, and I'm town for the same reasons Mastina and Xtomx are. Stop. Ignoring.Evidence.

I have a single, extremely strong piece of evidence that sonic is scum,

-___- earlier you said it was a tenuous link.

VOTE: Sonic X

And then you vote me.

Great job!!

[Sonic X]

My death on N4 does nothing to change the fact that you would have been obviously acting to derail a lynch on scum (to mastin, at least, who can be very vocal you know), and resulted in his lynch, and then yours. Or maybe even your lynch that day, and then his. I see it as perfectly reasonable for scum you to not take that risk.

I think you need to read in context instead of reading in a vacuum.

Whatever! Why are you voting me instead of fuzzy?

Following your reads progression.

why am i even playing on this account

[Sonic X]

Waiting is almost always the best thing to do with these sorts of things, but everyone's stupidly impatient.

dude. i waited for 48 hours. for you to post your case on titus.

we eventually lynched scum, so that's great! now, if you could get off your tunnel on me, that would be greater!

[Sonic X]

The better question is why am I voting you rather than grapes.

Why are you voting me rather than grapes?



((rhetorical))

[Sonic X]

i am a lazy bum and forgot to check for partner-partner interactions for grapes.


i think it is obvious from my tone that i still don't value RR "insisting that TW must have gotten the role from me" and hence I am just inspecting grapes.

like i said many times, it could just be some PR shenanigans. but because my head is on the chopping block/i am being pressured etc

[Sonic X]

i'll do it tomorrow

[Sonic X]

yeah okay thats fine and all. please remember to scumhunt other players too and keep an open mind because ((i know you are wrong /but you dont!/))

all right

[Sonic X]

So I checked.

On August 7th, Sonic asked to be targeted with night actions.
But that's the only thing in there. He never fullclaimed, just softclaimed.

It's on the 2nd page. August 11.

It's true that I never full claimed 100%, only soft claimed (didn't trust grapes 100%, and for good measure). But the claim was solid enough information for Titus to "guess" it in the event she received the information... Which also adds up, because it means she wasn't lying about that.

[Sonic X]

Oh so he revived? AWESOME.
Ok, this gives us good breathing room, expect good stuff soon


Niccage did you have a guilty?

[Sonic X]

So I was thinking about this game in the shower and figured out that RR's 'tenuous link' of a player (me, or others) passing the information to Titus might be negated by just this one idea.

Firstly, we note that this entire game is built on the premise of neighborhoods. Every player can join a neighborhood every night, and all players will retain information from previous nights. This has massive town utility: Obvtown players can re-ally with each other to bounce ideas and create a strong town block. The only caveat is if a scum player sneaks into these neighborhoods, but all things considered these shifting neighborhoods based on player choice

benefit town greatly.

Secondly, there are three pre-set neighborhoods/masons in the game. The first unfortunate flips true mason flips, Ruby and Sapphire. The next botched masons-who-were-supposed-to-be-masons, vezok and beer. The last hood-that-has-a-confirmed-town-and-are-probably-masons-too, the RR hood.

This is infinitely town sided no matter what way you look at it. The reason why the first two masonries blew were simply because of bad luck and botched play. The third hood could be argued as "not a masonry", but there is actually an IC in there.

Considering the craziness of the previous scum flips (Notably, the creativity of Varsoon's flips of TW and Frogger), as well as the very specialized and tactical-for-one-purpose-only Maxwell's strongman, I suddenly realise that it is

IMPOSSIBLE

that the scumteam does not have a Neighborhood Counter. Going by the track record, and by game balance, the scumteam should have a role (yet unflipped) that could pierce these sacred sanctuaries of neighborhoods.

Currently, the only player who has claimed a neighborhood-related ability is Constantine the Bear. Then, this can go two ways (as usual).

1) Constantine is town.

Almost all of the roles in this game has a similar duplicate, some by town, some by scum. Note: Town rolecop, Scum rolecop. Day 1 Treestump, No-Alliance Treestump. Town Commuter, Scum Ascetic. Town 1 shot Roleblock, Scum Jailkeep. It is not impossible that the scum has a similar duplicate ability, but this time more scum-sided/less invasive.

I am suggesting a Neighborhood Spy, who could access/view a PT but post at your own peril!

This will serve as a counter to all the confirmed masonries in the game, as well as the semi-masonries that may occur if a clique of townblocks happen. This can reliably explain the source of TW's information.

2) Constantine is scum.

Since his role is invasive, he could not have entered our neighborhood to receive the information. However, there might be more to his role that he has not claimed. For example, he could also turn invisible for one night. Besides, by play, he is fucking scummy. He's not scumhunting and he is just plain lurking, and if you know his meta well, you will realise that Constantine is a player who sucks at being scum. Like ika. In Saki mafia, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=62582 his play was lurky, lackluster, lack of scumhunting, trolly, and he got lynched Day 1 For The Win.

Conclusion: Given the game's reliance on neighborhoods, and the three masonries, it is possible that there is a scum PR that counters them by stealing information from such hoods. This can explain everything that RR is confused about.

[Sonic X]

Also, I'm just checking Day 3 and Day 4 to confirm my theory, but I saw this, Mr Steven.

For the sake of the game state, either Sonic X or Fro99er need to be lynched today, and since we believe that Fro99er is town, then the logical move is to take Sonic X to the gallows today.

You're biased. You've been biased since the start of the game. You don't like my playstyle.

Please stop.

[Sonic X]

With regards to your Constantine point: You're proposing. Cooldog/Constantine pair as the last two scum then?

I've had this thought for a while, then I thought "that might be too easy", then I also think "but this game has been easy the whole time".

I'm waffling. I've haven't investigated partner-partner interactions between grapes and flipped scum yet. I'll do that... tomorrow.

I'm more happy to fire my gladiate at this point in time knowing that NicCage is alive and a wrong move by me won't actually send us into potential Mylo.


Yes, Constantine/Cooldog are the safest bets. Definitely, by miles.

[Sonic X]

Just to check: were you allied with TW on Season Finale? That is the same day of the mastin/grapes/me alliance.

[Sonic X]

I mean seriously, SCtH is very very obviously posting in other places of the site. Where is he here?

[Sonic X]

Just to check: were you allied with TW on Season Finale? That is the same day of the mastin/grapes/me alliance.

I'm scrolling Day 3 and 4 but it is a bit tedious to find.

[Sonic X]

Was Titus' outrage at the scum inability to effect alliances faked or real Sonic?

quote that for me

[Sonic X]

i need to read context and phrasing

[Sonic X]

minus the cop clear on him

I think the cop claim is fucking bullshit, but I believe Fuzzy has already said enough on the matter.

All overpowered roles in this game are "1 shot but refill on season finale". Klingon claimed 3 shots.


I think the best course of action is, to see if cooldog has crumbed anything about being a cop. Or his targets. If he did not, well, then it sounds like the last plan TW left in the scum PT but since she's dead she can't adopt it to the everchanging circumstances.

[Sonic X]

Yes, season finale was TW/MP/RR

Since you had two scumbags in an alliance with you, this leads to say that the hypothetical Neighborhood Spy I was proposing would be in another neighborhood.

Quite possibly, mine. Mastin/Sonic/Grapes, all top three Frogger pushers and was fucking obvtown at that point.

I reiterate that the information I shared in that hood, although softclaim, was definitely sufficient for Titus to guess that I had a copier.

[Sonic X]

Well, clearly you didn't account for the scenario where he did not inspect me, right?.

Here's the deal. If Fuzzy is town, it still makes me confirmed town, because I was making the clear LD posts which I could not possibly have done if I were scum.

As in, Scum me, town fuzzy. Scum me can't pass the LD test, so unless you say that my plan was to roleblock him (but you said that scum don't have a roleblocker when I argued for grapes being a possible scum roleblocker!), it means that my answers were honest anyway.

If fuzzy flips scum then you can lynch me, because we effectively win the game because of your masonry, but with the way that he has presented the information in the hood (tone, phrasing, aloofness all factor into the read), I doubt it.

Constantine and Cooldog.

[Sonic X]

Point is, let's assume Fuzzy's results were True and play from there. If you think we're scum-scum, you still have to lynch Fuzzy first, because his townflip would clear me, but my townflip won't do the same for him.

[Sonic X]

Well, not technically clear, but if you want to argue Scum-Me/Town Fuzzy then it's your turn to do some explaining.

[Sonic X]

lol i told him 5 times in the hood to check me otherwise he's getting in trouble

he didn't listen

[Sonic X]

If you're scum, and plan to kill him, you can still make those posts withiut fear.

This is proven FALSE, by the way.

[Sonic X]

sorry, i ran out of secret messages

[Sonic X]

How so?

The fact that he was not killed means he was not planned to be killed.

[Sonic X]

I'm going to bed. have a fun discussion.

[Sonic X]

I want the flavor quote, I understand the description of the power already. There's literally no reason to be cagey about this, the flavor is the least important part. You must be lying about something if you can't produce a flavor quote.

I have an idea. Sonic, why don't you gladiate fuzzy today? Does your gladiate start a countdown?

I can do that, yes. But I don't feel morally right making a gladiate scenario where today only town can be lynched, even if we have 3 mislynches.

[Sonic X]

Yes fuzzy, that is what I'm asking for.

I have an idea. Sonic, why don't you gladiate fuzzy today? Does your gladiate start a countdown?

I can do that, yes. But I don't feel morally right making a gladiate scenario where today only town can be lynched, even if we have 3 mislynches.

What if I told you that I can guarantee that one of you will be lynched today regardless of how you feel? I want to see if you actually have a gladiate, while following through on mastina's idea.

You're good.

Acknowledged.

[Sonic X]

was busy with a project today will get to that tomorrow

[Sonic X]

I real claimed 100% in the post that I told you to LD... Which you didn't

Go read it

[Sonic X]

Analysis of Titus's posts

Okay, I know Titus best, so I am the most appropriate person here (Titus expert) to defuse the WIFOM that she would most definitely have laid down in her "defeat" posts.

Firstly, some background for you to understand. Like every situation, this has

two

possibilities: 1)

Titus knows that the game can be won.

2)

Titus knows that the game cannot be won.

I mean, we are the uninformed majority, while Titus team is the informed minority. They know what remaining cool powers they have left, and therefore are able to calculate whether the endgame or a win is attainable or not. We don't. That includes me.

However, let's assume the worst, and assume that in this worst case, Titus has a plan to reach the endgame, and her last few posts were attempting to enact that plan (although she gave up on her slot because it was unwinnable.) In this case, it is

definite

that she left instructions in her scum PT for her members (whoever they are) to follow through. This is a fact that I need to make clear.

Note: we do not assume the best case (as in, the scumteam is going to lose 100%), because then there's nothing for me to do anymore -- just do some turbo lynching action to guarantee our win.

We can wonder how Titus thinks she can win her plan, if she does indeed have a plan. But it means that she has mapped out the mislynches that she needs to win, and probably instructed her teammates to push or allow those wagons to happen. She also probably planned the farside kill, because her death was immediately before it, as well as herself catalyzing her death (Basically, she was alive to leave the instructions in her scum PT.

One thing that is important for us to highlight

is NicCage's revival. I don't think anyone could have expected that, not even scum, unless they received a tip-off. This has definitely thrown the scum's plan off guard.

With all that noted, let's begin detailed analysis.

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I've looked at this and I've just decided that I'm beyond frustrated. 7 fucking masons versus less scum than that.

This is highly likely to be true. I think it has been established that the Mastin/Xtomx/RR hood is also all town. Even though it was advertised as a neighborhood, I believe Varsoon was expecting them to implode from paranoia. This actually happened with the Beer/Vezok hood, so Varsoon's plan actually worked.

The reason why I believe that Mastin + Xtomx are town is because Titus was pushing them since forever. All the bullshit about "Must be one scum in Mastin/Xtomx". I mean, she could've been bussing, but the fact of the matter is that Titus dodged each and every scum lynch that has happened in the game. Thus, her plan was to

not bus

. We can expect the same behavior being applied to RR's hoodmates. Her attempts to sling mud onto them were pretty obvious.

There's no way for scum to win since the start of this setup.

This is probably fake. Varsoon isn't that dumb. I bet scum have a counter to these masonries.

How are we supposed to get anyone lynched? The fact we got beer is a fucking miracle.

This is probably true. But there might be more to it. Why was getting beer a "fucking miracle"? Note the word miracle. That means something extraordinary happened. If it was a common word like "was fucking lucky" or similar, I wouldn't have paid much attention to it. I strongly suspect that Titus actually had the fact that the Beer lynch was 100% town in mind -- that was why it was a miracle. All the players who were voting him were town. This would be great for Titus's VCA faking.

So many auto fucking alliances, but we can barely interfere with alliance generation.

This is a half-truth. My pet theory is that scum have an information thief from alliances. So being unable to interfere with

alliance generation

was right, although I think I remember Frogger having that ability? But interfering directly with alliances themselves? Entirely possible.

This whole Titus knows too much when I am one of the best role deducers on this site (provided blantant crumbs) is ridiculous.

She was just mad that she was caught for the wrong reasons.

Seven masons versus the only way I can confirm myself is by giving RR a doctor N1.

This is misleading. It is true that the "only" way Titus could confirm herself was through the N1 doc, but that doesn't actually say much about the rest of her scumteam, does it?

Add in a watcher, lie detector (thus acting as a cop if we ever use our fakeclaims), rolecop (so we can't fake our roles), and the fact that universal backup wasn't believed... jeezus.

The fact that Titus was bitching about the lie detector

suggests that Fuzzy is town.

If Fuzzy was scum, I strongly doubt that she would have added that clause, because technically it wasn't information that she was supposed to have anyway.

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Plus lighthouse gem was my fucking fake claim. My fake claim... and it's a fucking null at best. I shouldn't give my fake claim and then have town want to lynch me anyway. Seriously, what the bloody fuck? That forced our hand into shooting Ricastle as I would have lied my ass off to me if I still suspected me. Turns out, Ricastle was trusting me but it was too little too late. That kill had to be done. :@ Seriously, this game balance is severely fucked up.

This is probably real, lol. None of these present useful information, except for the last sentence. Which doesn't tell us much anyway.

Klingon, at least you get to see me as scum for your files, but someday I want a game where I actually roll scum at the start that you're in. :/

Normally, if I thought I had any shot at not being lynched, I'd keep faking my VCA. At this point, it's too much work. VCA takes awhile as town, even more so when you have to fake it to obscure your buddies. Stalling for my VCA is worthless IMO and just hurts my buddies.

Useless.

I'm going to wish my team the best of luck, but I know it's a long shot. If we lose, we did our best against insurmountable odds.

This is probably real. Scum was in a bad position yesterday, and with NicCage alive they are in a

terrible

position now. GG.
This expectation suggests that the remaining scum has a possibility of winning, yet would be difficult when it was left to PoE. Remember, RR was aiming to mislynch me today. I'm part of Titus's plan of chain mislynches, and this is evident because of the suggestion that her team still *had* a shot at winning.

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Yeah yeah yeah

I was kinda hoping you had guts. You don't. *shrug* It's over for me but you aren't better than me. Don't even go there.

I can beat you as scum. Give me a balanced fucking setup and I can. 7 masons, who gives a shit.

Egoballing.

Gladiate me. I'm outed scum.

What are you waiting for?

Baiting me to make a stupid decision at 2 am.

You'll be the mislynch if you don't gladiate me. You and I both know this. I've put enough links through to you that there's no way you'd survive if you don't burn your gladiate. You got no choice Sonic.

Baiting me to make a stupid decision at 2 am. Also, RR doing today exactly as Titus says. Despite all protests by his close trustable compatriots. Lol.

No need for flavor. Just quote gladiate me coward.

Baiting me to make a stupid decision at 2am

Are you confused? You're a chicken. Coward. Useless. Easily manipulated. Townbeard. Sorry but you know it's true from Dating Game. Catch one scum and you let all the others go. Sorry.

This is blatantly false. Plus, I caught 3 scum this game. I don't foresee myself "letting all the others go".
Attempting to make me angry/heated through obviously incorrect attacks so that I burn my gladiate and cannot use it against them in later days.

Enjoy your mislynch. I win either way. You use your ability and thus we burn a town ability or you get mislynched. Total win.

True as fuck. Lol.

Or even c) town believe I am pulling a mastina and I don't get lynched because you didn't gladiate me. Hahaha!

Baiting.

Go to bed. Sonic. I just won. Then we'll be in lylo after mislynching you.



I love claiming scum. Tis amazing.

That's how you do outed scum.

This post has a piece of vital information -- Titus slipped that she does not know that NicCage would revive.

Implication: Her plan she left in the Dead PT was assuming Nic was dead. She thought that we'd be in lylo after mislynching me. But now that there is one extra mislynch to burn, which is fatal to an already crippled scumteam, her plan busts.

You give so much information Sonic. You're like a gold mine. It'll be sad after your lynch because we can't crack the setup through you.

Baiting

I win the game when all threats to the Beach City Residents have been defeated and at least one Beach City Resident is alive.

^^ Obvious lie detector post.

Seriously, stop making this so fucking easy Sonic.

Titus proving the powers of her inference skills.

Sonic just gladiate already. You realize we're going to just make you gladiate whomever we collectively believe most likely to be scum tomorrow to prove you weren't lying about it, mostly because you claim to be a special snowflake who doesn't have Steven Universe quotes to activate while everyone else so far has had SU quotes to activate abilities.

This is really bad. Especially when you + Klingon just hammered before I woke up (less than 8 hours of sleep, mind you!). RR plays into Titus's hand to burn my gladiate which, looking at my track record, would be fatal to the scumteam. She wants it removed with 100% certainty, she can't rely on RR's 99% probability of doing the job for her.

Drixx, I must thank you. You're giving me exactly what I want. XD

Let's remember that Titus is of the same archetype as RR: Logical players.

As can be seen in the thread, your playstyles are eerily parallel (at least, to me). Lecturing us about sound/valid arguments, having a rational conversation about VCA methodologies, etc. RR caught Titus off guard with his 100%-logic case -> Breaks Titus. But Titus, likewise being prepared for this, uses her own scum offense of WIFOM to let RR play into her hand. She also knew that the Doc shot that she gave RR would make him townread her a lot... and it worked too! Temporarily. This shows the parallelisms between Titus and RR.

Now here's the part where you don't insult my intelligence.

Beer and Vezok are confirmed to each other by flavor. That was clear the minute Frogger was lynched and scum had to use fakeclaim.
There's the two actual flipped masons.
Then there's the you Xtomx and Mastina getting double confirmation of the innocent child.

Still omitting the highly-salient-hindsight-point about there being a scum role to counter these masonries. Her bitching about it attempts to portray a sense of anger and indignant about 7 masons, almost as if she can't do anything about it, but I believe that this is the expression that she is trying to portray.

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Summary:

Titus is probably being honest about there being 7 masons in the game.
Titus might be omitting how scum has its own counter to these 7 masons.
Fuzzylogic is likely a town LD, because he was called out.
Farside kill was probably preplanned by Titus.
My mislynch is necessary for Titus's endgame plan
RR plays into Titus's endgame plan because their playstyles are so similar.
Despite scumteam being an informed minority, even they did not know NicCage would respawn.
My gladiate is an asset and is something that Titus fears and wants to remove from the game.

[Sonic X]

Oh and if it wasn't clear, Titus might be subtly confirming the good idea that the Beer wagon was 100% town.

[Sonic X]

Godfather folks, Godfather.

[Sonic X]

so,... are you guys gonna leash my shot or do i fire at will? my job is to remove apathy.