STEVEN UNIVERSE MAFIA - GAME OVER

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Fro99er: I dunno?? If there was more stuff I'd be more set on Cool as scum, but if it's just that then it's not a wagon I'll jump on. That's why I wanna hear what Cerb has to say about Cool, partially. It just seems kind of ridiculous, like he really sees something there in Ricastle and is really badly misinterpreting it.

Why does what Cerb say determine your opinion on Cool's Ricastle push?

But I agree he's badly misinterpreting at best (or intentionally misrepping at worst) things Ricastle has said/done.

Ricastle's retort to Cool was 100% spot on, so either Cool really believes what he's saying or he's trying to drive the worst mislynch in history, which I think scum would be more careful about so I think it's his lack of attention as town more so than him being scum.

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I agree the Replace in comment is weird. (Him joining a wagon that contains his scum reads and only noticing it when he leaves to vote Cool.)

VOTE: Replace In

Did you have an opinion of Replace in prior? Does this change your read on Constantine, since Replace In was voting Constantine just prior to his switch to Cool?

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THAT IS L-1

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UNVOTE:

Not letting a lynch happen that I'm not sure cool does or doesn't want to be on.

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I assume Cool follows me on an unvote too? If so, L-3. If not, L-2

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I will declare intent on Replace in if we're running up near deadline tomorrow and I still haven't heard from cool on voting Replace In. But that was a bit unnerving how two more votes just popped up for an unannounced L-1 so fast.

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while sonic lurks like a mofo.

And while Sonic continues to NOT make a case on me other than the blatant BS of this being my scum meta (and relying on other's cases that Skybird debunked all but Beer's). Other than that, he STILL hasn't presented a case.

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I'd run up a Sonic wagon in a heartbeat, but I just done see the support for it beyond me, you, Ricastle, and maybe Cool and/or Sky

I also hate Grapes and Bookittyslot slot lurking near deadline.

Pedit: and sonic once again appears as soon as his name is mentioned

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Woah. CooLDoG doesn't go with me when I unvote? That's annoying.

Varsoon just double checking that is correct?

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Replace In is town I guess. He should have self hammered as scum, and that non consecutive commuter is town unless we have another vig that isn't dayvig, because then scum have no need for a commuter. It also makes sense as Lion because Lion can teleport.

(If we have another vig do not out yourself!)

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Why would he allow us time to set up alliances then?

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Alright. Well we have 19 hours to go. Let's get our alliances set up (I'm allying RR) and then I WILL hammer later.

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It's null but what about the claim?
I'm not sure if true.

Good mafia goon fake claim or town. Scum real claim possible if we have a vig.

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The commuter part makes sense as Lion, but having no other powers does not, you're right there Vezok.

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Replace has been meh all game so it might be consistent with play style.

Pedit: yep

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Yep as in I agree, not yep as in ally for the record.

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Replace In do you have any reads?

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Going to bed here in a bit. Probs gonna hammer soon if Trench doesn't.

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I've been thinking more and more that Rose is a fakeclaim. Frogger, can we see the paraphrased quotes for your role?

You can't SEE them, but I'll paraphrase them for you

- The world has endless possibilities. Every being has a unique experience. (Gem)
- I want to play w/youu because you're cute, but you have dreams and a short life. (Fuse/Ally)
- Your mother only saved a few friends. Without her shield, who knows. (Ascetic)
- You need a body that turns to light and a partner you can trust. (All alliance members votes whoever I vote)
- Odds against us, hearts uncertain, we fight with Rose against our homeworld. (win con)

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Not worried about mastin not being conftown yet. Could just need to trigger it. Will wait for her to post.

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Null lean scum at the moment. He needs to start talking to us in our fusion PT, and soon, or that's going to quickly move into lean scum and then strong lean scum just because if he was town he should be willing to talk to us and answer questions and so far it's crickets. It hasn't been a super long time yet though.

So you're scum reading me for my activity now? I just told you in our PT why I've been inactive. I can even take a picture of my dog if you don't believe me.

Ask away.

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Could you clarify if your role pm gives you an explicit or like titus' does?

An explicit what? I don't understand what you mean.

My only abilities are ascetic (permanent) and my vote thing (only works when I'm in an alliance or fusion)

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^^woah

VOTE: Sonic X

This guy is scum. He flat out lied about my scum meta, and he's the only one here who has played with me in a scum game. He has made ZERO case on me other than that despite me asking several times, and now sheeping Mastin's case after the fact.

When I flip town, or when sonic flips scum, Mastin will have to rethink her mod meta case, and vezok will have to rethink his flavor breaking (Vezok will have pushed a third mislynch of a town character if I get lynched).

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@Ricastle, if you want to break the game on flavor, then you should vote Light Prism (Sonic) with me.

Scum flavor + scum play = scum

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I'm so sure of sonic being scum that I would love it if Sonic and I were actually able to gladiate. That would open the game wide open and get Mastin and Vezok to see they are approaching the game wrong, regardless of which one of us flips.

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I notice you've lost interest in me frogger

What do you mean? I've pushed you, grapes, constantine and sonic recently. But sonic has always been my top scum read.

I answered your questions today.

Why are you making up stuff about me losing interest in you?

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Idk, I mean you seemed pretty sure yesterday that I was scum, but now that I'm basically tunneling you and refusing to do any work you're not even commenting on me. I just feel like you should be more or as much focused on me as you are on Sonic, but you're not.

Where have I refused to do work?

I'm adamant we need to decide between me and Sonic because it will get Mastin to realize her mod meta stuff is crap, and Vezok to realize light prism is scum and Rose Quartz is town. It will get the game going in the right direction finally

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I'm basically tunneling you and refusing to do any work you're not even commenting on me.

This sounded like I am refusing to do work by not commenting on you.

I am reading your stuff. You need to be more clear.

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^^That also needs to die very badly.

Me or CooLDoG?

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Sonic didn't even get close to all of the points against Frogger; he just got some of the more recent ones.

Sonic got none of his own points, period.

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Mastina do you get your vote back tomorrow? Help me with it.

No,

I'm voteless the whole. freakin'. time.

It's presumably to help counterbalance the power of the conftown-on-D3 bit in my role. (I'd claim, but I'd rather keep the scum guessing. I'll be conftown tomorrow; the method matters just enough that I'm keeping a tight lip on it.)

I just rolecopped them and Varsoon sent over what Mastina does.

Rolecop. Yes. When I can't see how Skybird would be killed without a rolecop result on them.

I don't doubt that the role is real, though, so I suppose no point in hiding that

I do get my vote in certain specific circumstances

. Which I will not reveal. The other bit, though, most definitely should stay hidden.

Hmmm

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@RR

I guess. All I see is someone making a crap push on me, defending/buddying sonic, becoming conftown which hasn't happened yet (but you give your word it will), and a contradiction.

But I clearly don't know as much as you seem to know about Mastin, so I'll take your word for it unless I have a reason not to

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@Trench, what was your stance on ricastle before you allied with him and what is your stance now on Ricastle? Why did you ally with him?

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Hmm. I think Ricastle is pretty damn town.

I don't think flavor hunting makes him scummy. Hell, I think the game is breakable on flavor as much as he does. That's why I'm adamant we flip sonic today. Scum flavor, scum play. Scum.

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I want to flip TW too. Why are TSO and Titus heads acting so differently at this stage in the game? The defending of sonic as town yet Titus saying I'm town but TSO saying I'm scum is weird too. Afraid to flavor claim at first is pretty bad if this game really is breakable by flavor. Mastin makes a good point about the role cop as well.

RR, why are you townreading TW specifically? Do you think your whole D2 neighborhood was town?

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Yup, just focus on the two claims, that favors you. That's your best bet for staying alive.

I'm not trying to survive. I've said I'll gladly have people decide between me and Sonic, because that will be best for town, even if it means me dying.

I'd RATHER we lynch sonic so that we can stop freaking out about mod meta and incorrect flavor and actually lynch scum, but if it takes my lynch for those things to happen, that's a second best alternative.

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Nic, how many more times are you going to misrep me?

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Nic, how many more times are you going to misrep me?

I'm not misrepping you.

You've claimed I'm just trying to survive.

You claimed I wasn't reading your points.

You claimed I wasn't paying attention to you.

All those were false.

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I just think it's noteworthy that you're so focused on Sonic currently, when yesterday I was a major scumread of yours. You should be actively scumreading me now based on the way I'm playing. The reason that you're not is that calling Sonic's claim into question is easier, and it favors you.

Why should I be scumreading you more than sonic? I've had a scumread on sonic since the middle of day 1, before any flavor claim stuff went down. I was focused on him the latter half of D1, most of D2, and D3. I don't see why my focus on him now is disturbing you.

Are you afraid I'm right about Sonic? I did note your weird evolution of reads on him, and now I see you want to keep the pressure off him.

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Nic, what you don't realize is I've already built a case on you, and you are solidifying it further by misrepping me and your continued weird approach to sonic, which has now turned into you attacking me for scumreading him.

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We know you don't want to vote your buddy. Just do it for the towncred.

So we're gem scumbuddies that fused with each other?

Okay... /sarcasm

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You've already done an alliance with CooLDoG, now you want a fusion.

So you're proposing I allied with my buddy, and I'm fusing with my buddy?

Like, really?

That doesn't even make sense.

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Weird questions.
RR how is it that you and frogger targetted each other last night? I don't recall seeing you two state you were going to do so.

Time to dig up the quotes...there were at least 4 stating we were going to.

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@farside:

Spoiler: frog/RR talk targeting each other

Vezok, RR and I have decided to neighborize other people tonight. We both agreed that you and I neighborizing would be a good idea. Please tell me if you're interested sooner rather than later, because if you're not, then we need to pick a new person for me to neighborize with.

~ObvTitus

As Titus said above. We'd like to neighborize either Sonic or Frogger, if either party to that snafu at the start of the day would be willing.

-Cerb

Preferably Frogger, btw, but I'd like to discuss things with both of you really.

-Cerb

Not a fan of Hermit's "Ricastle did it too" so it justifies me attitude. Scum often uses the "oh another townie did it" excuse, and he seems to be misreading or misrepping what was said in your PT.

RR is reading super town as a result of that last post.

Not sure what Cool thinks about your ally proposal to me, but our PT has been pretty sparse...but that's just because he's less active it seems. You'd also have to be ok with my vote following ability.

Yeah, that's fine. I'm pretty damn active...I doubt my vote would be anywhere I didn't want it for any notable amount of time.

-Cerb

Also, frogger: Any thoughts on my proposal?

Sonic: you said Light Prism right? Would you object to clarifying if said prism is identified as a gem, or as other, in your PM? I could see it going either way I think.

-Cerb

Also, frogger: Any thoughts on my proposal?

Yeah, I'll ally with you. CoolDog hasn't really been too responsive anyway in our PT, so I don't know how much either of us are getting out of that, even though it's been good the times he does respond.

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VOTE: Fro99er

RR's vote that moves with me is the hammer

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....are you fucking serious. Fuck you scum team. Seriously. Three fucking games on this stupid site and everybody wants their fucking scum pt kept private. Fuck all of you.

I enjoyed playing with you. It's too bad you are a sore loser though?

There's some personal stuff in there, that's why it's being kept private.

But I guess reading a scum PT is more important to you.

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Varsoon, this was definitely one of my favorite games of mafia anywhere.

<3

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No, I'm not a sore loser. I hate the simple fact that I've wasted a year on this site, and have yet to actually see how ANYONE approaches the game as scum. I enjoyed playing with the people, within the confines of the game, but I loathe your decision to share x personal facts within the pt, such that othersw will be denied access to it on that basis, when THERE ARE AN INCREDIBLY LARGE NUMBER OF WAYS FOR YOU TO TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT PERSONAL STUFF WITHOUT FUCKING WITH MY GROWTH AS A PLAYER.

That's all. good job otherwise.

Oh, and titus, it's really sucky that this was a perfect opportunity for you to actually discuss your vca method with us but it was foiled by getting the wrong role..

Well every other time I've ever rolled scum I released the scum PT.
I'm sorry you've had a bad experience but I'm not releasing this one and I wish you'd be a bit more undertanding. But You do you.

Good game.

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Well, whether or I'm understanding or not, you won't change your decision...but by being understanding, I display tacit approval of that decision, which isn't the case, so no, I'm not going to be understanding. Because I like Varsoon though, I won't say more about it, and will instead go and do what ika suggested and go to the appropriate forum for mafia discussion and see about having all games have mandatory pt releases, or at least having a tag when the game is made of mandatory pt release or not, so I can only join the games where this won't happen to me.

Relax.

After I am done drinking with my wife (tomorrow) I will work with Varsoon to scrub the personal stuff. I'm still fairly new so I didn't know that could be done.

Jesus fuck.

In not doing it to hide meta. I couldn't give two shits unlike you. That's why I've been fine releasing every other one.

Also, I fooled the shit out of you

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Pedit oh drixx to FFS

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I don't even know why we're not releasing the scum PT, it's not me doing it, and it's kinda shit for everyone else.

Had to do w Ika's replace out.

Jesus TSO I just rolled scum with you twice now and you know I don't care normally.

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That wasn't a dig at you, I generally disagree with the policy of not releasing. I just think that the stuff you want removed should be removed, and then let people see it. This applies to all members of the scumteam.

Like I said. I didn't even know that was possible.

Happy to do it

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Ftr RR, i'm not the one blocking the PT and i'm sorry Varsoon uses the awful policy of blocking PTs. We have an awesome 75 page scum PT and it sucks that you won't be able to view it.

It's my fault not varsoon's. I said I'll work with him to clean it up Ffs

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Actually, reading through previous PT's - a lot of the time I tend to make statements which you feel are insulting towards you, but which are not actually meant like that. I hope when I clarify them afterwards, that there's no lingering resentment or anything, since my insults tend to be quite blunt.

Dude you're fine. I just like everyone so I don't want to upset anyone.

Yes I'm a hippy pacifist.

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Metal and I have worked with Varsoon to scrub the PT. to those who thought I wasn't open to that and was being selfish - you can apologize for your language. Especially cerb who thought I wasn't open to reconsidering (FWIW I always wanted it open, just didn't know it was possible to scrub the personal stuff. I think my record for always having my scum PT released speaks for itself)

I am a pacifist at heart and only like making people happy. Seriously.

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And if it's that important that you're willing to whine and curse at me over a game, I'm not so sure I want to play you.

People always forget someone is on the other side of the screen.

Game related - I had fun and I thought RR played really well after my flip. I think scum also played well. I wanted metal to flip to rid Mastin of her mod meta and Vezok of his light prism is town break the game on flavor stuff. But Nic had the guilty on me. In hindsight I should have mentioned I was withholding my gem specific power because it is a strong town power and didn't want to out it when I was asked to drill claim and paraphrase my sentences. Hindsight is 20/20 though.

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@Vezok: 10-4

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No, Vezok said light prism is town.

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MS's claim is valid, because it makes sense.

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And fair analysis otherwise in regards to Mastin and my play.

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Fro99er, did the posts you linked me to actually show that sonics case on you was trash? Like I said before, I didn't actually read them, but the fact that you gave me ammunition to use if I found out there was any truth to what he was saying was a point in your favor.

Yes, I actually was being truthful about that.

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Fro99er, did the posts you linked me to actually show that sonics case on you was trash? Like I said before, I didn't actually read them, but the fact that you gave me ammunition to use if I found out there was any truth to what he was saying was a point in your favor.

Yes, I actually was being truthful about that.

I figured if I was going to bus my buddy, I better be as truthful and make a solid case as I can.

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It's fantastic. I only started watching to play this game but I'm hooked now.