STEVEN UNIVERSE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[Marquis]

oh i thought this was that swimming anime show oops
oh well

[Marquis]

oh gosh who was it that made this horrible mistake

[Marquis]

oh gosh who was it that made this horrible mistake

i'm serious!!
i want to make a serious vote!!!!
getting pts mixed up is totally plausible

[Marquis]

let's do it together

[Marquis]

too many overeagee tumblr people talk about this show the same way they used to about SuperWhoLock so it's made me incredibly wary+annoyed tho

[Marquis]

i hate some of you a lot now
or one of you
idk later

[Marquis]

so we just had another vezok moment then
sigh
definition of insanity, etc etc

[Marquis]

beer you should be townreading me, i'm your #1 town

[Marquis]

Hey guys.
I see what you're doing here.
And I just wanted to tell you to stop.
And I know I'm a hypocrite because I was kidding around earlier, but this game is gonna get big real fast if we all let it get there.

you're the best
can i just sheep you for the rest of the game

[Marquis]

ok
VOTE: sonic x

[Marquis]

hello pawty on a scale from 5 to 10 how amished are u

pedit maxxy that is not a good vote

[Marquis]

Marquis, what's your case on Sonic?

VOTE: skybird

i don't think you actually care. empty empty scum

[Marquis]

i appreciate all the attention i've been getting but

"marquis is down to earth as town"

man
really

give it a few more pages, i haven't found a foothold yet. (and before anyone says, i know that's me making excuses. that's the point)

p.s. tunnelwarriors and trench warfare are easy as heck to mix up
gonna make tracking these townreads on me a lot harder :(

[Marquis]

iirc bins is in this game?
bins am i town????

[Marquis]

@TSO
Please explain how you are even town reading marquis, let alone saying he's bloc material.

because he's town
probably?

u don't know me gogurt boy

[Marquis]

people keep posting that garnet song on tumblr and i don't know how i feel about it

blah blah more fluffposting until i find something i care about

also i still don't feel like skybird actually thought she would get a case from me and i think her response was unnecessarily defensive/prepared to some small extent

[Marquis]

Has anyone here played with radmann before?

nope, and it would be irrelevant even if people did.

the 09er finally drops in for a game after much hemming and hawing
when he arrives he sits in the corner and shares jokes with all the other ghosts
"ohohohohoho.

meta

"
they laugh all Day long

[Marquis]

i think cheetory is justified in his inquiries

[Marquis]

let's reword
i think his questions about meta aren't the most fruitful
but they're town motivated
as his previous concerns and earlygame posts have been
so
too bad so sad

[Marquis]

maxwell is still kind of hilarious.

i'm not sure where his experience level/mindset is with regards to what he expects scum to do vs. what scum realistically do. but. lol sorry i'm not trying to make a "lol ur a noob" comment because i hate those too but i'm kind of sick of all the incorrect assumptions regarding how/what scum play/are motivated to do, as well as the whole "marquis isn't drenching the game in useless excess questioning (because other people are already doing enough of that so it feels good to sit back and try and slowly sort through reads instead) so yeah he's probably scum"

well i mean

you're right in that my play could totally come from scum

but to be blunt it's more likely i'm town who doesn't really care about people scumreading me (other than this whole thing about being amused by maxwell - who ftr i would like to say i'm currently leaning town on, if it weren't for how i've been seeing scum these kinds of realistically bs pushes lately) than scum who realized i've been fluffing and didn't really do anything noteworthy for a while to address the scumreads
sorry i just have a bit more faith in my scumgame than that

anyway i'm still mildly scumreading skybird because 1) i think the townreads on her for asking so many questions-that-look-helpful-but-when-you-look-closer-make-you-wonder-what-of-significance-she-thinks-she's-actually-going-to-get-out-of-them are also kind of hilarious because for all these words i'm still not seeing a distinct town mindset with her choices of inquiry and 2) idk it's also just kind of fun to scumread players like this because you can get some really entertaining results

[Marquis]

i am extremely wary of this sonic.

i think i am scumreading this huge hydra slip move.

[Marquis]

wait which trench warfare head was that
lmao

[Marquis]

Jesus Christ, Marquis, not a-fucking-gain. This is going to be Kill All Townies all over again and I'm going to have to nod my head because I feel like you're so talky and rambly and town and ughhh.

i'm actually town this time! i promise! <3

going to marathon for a bit then sink my teeth into norm-games.

[Marquis]

Marquis you're just giggling at me, expecting me to just find a townread from you without supplying anything for me to work with besides admitting that you're fluffing, and admitting that you're making excuses, as if 'yeah i already know i haven't done anything so your comments mean nothing' somehow means you're town? If you know you're full of it, then do something. You keep saying 'wait, wait' but you've yet to find something in-thread to care about. I'm tired of the aloof better-than-you attitude. Not to mention the lack of questioning people who are actually townreading you for some reason.. I'm trying to understand what you're doing here. What aspects of your play am I supposed to be seeing as not scummy? Defend yourself instead of telling me to be psychic.

UNVOTE:

Voting you didn't do anything but hopefully you'll have something constructive to say about this. You believe you're town so convince me dammit

i'm pretty obviously town

you're right in that i'm useless right now anyway though

still trying to find that foothold. usually something pops out to me and i climb upward from there. there haven't been any a-ha moments so far :(

i'll probably start off with a readslist soon.

[Marquis]

Hey Skybird. Is there anyone you'd like to vote?

Right now the people I'm willing to vote for are Beer, Marquis, and Ra9in9Bull. These are the three scummiest to me.

VOTE: Marquis

His posting is mostly fluff and his push on me feels opportunistic.

yes i saw the opportunity to start a new wagon and stay on it with no support for all this time
and i took it!!!

[Marquis]

The only thing I got out of a Beer ISOdive was that I dislike the way that Pawtucket threw Gordington under the bus for his play early on, but I'm not sure if I just think it's bullshit to treat a hydra partner like that in the open like that or if it feels like a scum gambit to try and ease the suspicion on their slot by being like "oh man look the good head is here to be not scummy now".

yeah this was my initial feeling, like a variation on the amished tell

thing is i've been trying to discern which alignment would be more likely to actually go through with it -

- and i'm aware this might not make sense to some but the lack of hydra partner respect/general ego thing makes me think it's a newer player (in the vein of vonflare/elusive/etc. with limited... skills in that social regard), who also likely wasn't aware of the amished tell being a thing, and thus would not be likely to hesitate with those comments as scum

i mean
pls tell me u see where i went with that

[Marquis]

it's not so much a "lack of respect" thing but an "awareness of social cues on ms" thing
eh
i get ur point but amished tell is so fucking reliable in newer playerlists i love it so much

[Marquis]

see even u don't know it!
even on its own that's a good sign they're maybe scum!

amished tell is that players being apologists for the player they replaced/criticizing predecessor's play as scummy are more likely to be scum. this is predicated on many things including scum knowledge of own alignment, unnecessary complaining about situation that's scum-motivated, etc as well as a decently long history of it being used successfully

maybe links to examples eventually but take my word for it

[Marquis]

and in theory it can also be applied to hydra partner relationships due to how the player doing it similarly feels unjustly accountable for another's scummy play for the same slot

[Marquis]

i think my "fluffy" posts are different from other fluffy posts
my posts are in the top percentage of good posts
anything otherwise clearly means you're skimming early iso and judging by post height which is fairly discriminatory

[Marquis]

i guess beer can be scum if they rly want to be then

sure

[Marquis]

i think my "fluffy" posts are different from other fluffy posts
my posts are in the top percentage of good posts
anything otherwise clearly means you're skimming early iso and judging by post height which is fairly discriminatory

Valid point. I skimmed all of your iso, really, because I hate reading iso's until I absolutely have to. Not sure about the post height discrimination thing, clearly not really valid here.

Anyways, yeah, the posting style with it's lack of actual sentences or punctuation sorta makes me not want to read into your posts to actually find the value in them. That's a bit lazy. I'll work on overcoming that particular quirk of mine so I can give your posts a fair chance. Though you'll note I didn't think we should lynch you or anything, I just thought lynching you for lack of content would be better than lynching NicCage. I don't actually think either of you should be lynched right now though, it was more of an example. Wish you hadn't responded though, it would have been nice if someone else had come in to defend you so I could see why they preferred NIcCage over you. :P

-Cerb

i'm really sorry but this super duper nice and apologetic post of yours is giving me scumvibes.

i really wish it wasn't. :(

[Marquis]

no, i agree with the fuzzy commentary.

VOTE: fuzzy

meta wise this is completely unlike fuzzy's towngame. there at least i've seen him providing more thoughts on things - not just prompted, but seemingly out of place comments and hard pushes as well. this just looks like he's trying to look useful - and his scumgame isn't exactly the best lol

def a better bet than Sonic right now

[Marquis]

Oh short version why fuzzy, dude is major lynchbait all the time

titus you know i'm always anti-lynching lynchbait

but lynchbait can still be scum

and this isn't town-lynchbait fuzzy

[Marquis]

RR and Farside are both town. idk exactly what's going on there but quit it.

trench (titus/tso in case i mixed them up) makes me incredibly wary. i want to see more tso. titus is currently leaning slightly scum for me.

frogika is townish. i hope ika calms down and goes back to his old style. right now if they're town it's a bit of dickery that gives scum an excuse to wisen their mislynch pool.

[Marquis]

I'm in the USA for 2 days

The McDonalds here are weird

you guys have MCLOBSTER tho
dont talk to me about "weird"

[Marquis]

though i will say ur nanaimo sundaes are intense

[Marquis]

Marq, what would you say if I said I now know how to read you, and how nervous are you now?

MARQ, DON'T IGNORE ME YOU NINNY.

:*(

[Marquis]

for a player who everyone seems to just consider lynchbait fuzzy sure is hard to wagon here
hmmmmm hm hmm hm

[Marquis]

I think Farside is misreading me but I still cant help but to think he is town. Right now there would be noway I would vote FS . I going out on a limb and say FS is town.

like for example
no matter how much leeway you guys seem to want to give for fuzzy just being awkward/silly town
this prolonged "let me pretend like i'm town thinking it over when it's obvious i've already prepared what stance i'm going to fabricate on farside" torture is not a legitimate town thought process
and i've played with town fuzzy before
and seen scum fuzzy before
this
is scum

[Marquis]

bang bang baaaang
time for u to vote fuzzy

[Marquis]

Vezok, radmann is the lynch. Please vote him.

oh also this can be town. like. can really be town.

[Marquis]

it really isn't something scum says particularly for his scum-experience level
it's a town kind of gumption, confidence

[Marquis]

^ @ 913

[Marquis]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go as one example
as town i see fuzzy going along at a more natural pace, actually trying to solve based on the questions he asks. his writing style may be awkward but he jumps around and doesn't stick to the same lines or same redundant thought in a post

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
as scum he likes to fluff up his posts with unnecessary repetition.
there's also a lot of question asking and "i'm confused" dead ends.

but at least when he gets confused as town he actually thinks out loud and somewhat visibly tries to solve the confusion.

[Marquis]

Mastin becomes conftown at day 3? I don't know why she'd claim that, but Day 3 is such a nice number so I believe her. Also because that would be a really dumb lie if she's scum, and I don't think Mastin is that dumb.

mastin tends to pull these silly softclaim "gambits" that are designed to delay her lynch and/or nightkill even when completely unnecessary just because self-importance or something
i've decided to just never believe her from now on and... probably not lynch her anyway, so, yeah

[Marquis]

i'm so trolly

[Marquis]

I only just noticed Skybird was female.

I dont see why more people dont see you as scum here. Yes this contradicts wgeurtz but out of all the fluffiest posts that have been posted, this was by far the fluffiest and most unnecessary

and that must indicate he's scum

i wish people would understand idealism vs. reality when it comes to 2015 player site meta

[Marquis]

i would lynch bins right now actually
but fuzzy is better

[Marquis]

Marquis is wrong I dont post fluff as scum....... Flume is correct as far as being super cautious as scum. Am I playing my normal town game.....No. am I playing my scum game.... thats also a no. I was really tempted to just lurk until everything passed by.but not my style .

Grapes last post made me feel a bit better about him. Still not totally buying he is town than he thinks I am scum so I think that makes us even. He seems less defensive and seems to tunneling a bit less which as I said makes me a bit less concerned about him. He still leaning scum to me

Gut feeling but I think RR is very very likely town. Thinking about it , thier action doesnt seem like a move scum would make.Also the point that was made that RR was reacting to Grapes stuborness seems logical. I felt the same as RR on this.

To me the whole thing is starting to feel like a TvT scuffle

I dont think there is two town DV/MV .The balance would be off. It occured to me however that either Grapes or Vezo is a third player party such as a Mason , cult or neighbor. Possible that one is scum , I am not counting that out, but I am co siddering the firrst set of option a bit more.

Great all we need is another head for Beer. Just like bad beer in rl..... lots of head and no substance.

UNVOTE:

[Marquis]

VOTE: radmann

after reading the iso, this is an excellent excellent day 1 lynch on newbie scum.

i am half-not feeling the fuzzy lynch right now, especially since it's starting to get into hivemind territory.

[Marquis]

okay
VOTE: fuzzy
i want this more now

[Marquis]

VOTE: beer
this is absolutely necessary and optimal and i am going to sleep now

[Marquis]

who wants to ally with me

[Marquis]

who wants to ally with me

[Marquis]

sonic i just realized a Thing and need you to ally with me it is crucial ok if you don't you're scum bye