SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[Ollie]

Ollie, claim all actions immediately.

My predecessor poisoned you last night.

Good luck!

[Ollie]

I think Heartless should probably be the lynch for a ton of different reasons.

would you like to elaborate on that?

[Ollie]

Relevant

My favourite song as a child.

btw I'm not claiming my actions at this point but I have no problem with doing it in the future.

[Ollie]

VOTE: Heartless

[Ollie]

Ollie, ZZZX, I'm specifically calling both of you out because neither of you is going to do anything by deadline in three days and yet your vote's parked on not voting. Fucking vote Heartless.

er I already did...

VOTE: Heartless

[Ollie]

VOTE: TSO

Please can everyone sheep this, all will be revealed on day 6.

[Ollie]

VOTE: TSO

Please can everyone sheep this, all will be revealed on day 6.

.

[Ollie]

Fourtrouble slot - can you shoot someone today?

no

VOTE: TSO

Please can everyone sheep this, all will be revealed on day 6.

We know you get a vig shot when TSO is lynched.

That's not a particularly pressing reason to lynch TSO at this point.

Lol - Ollie - please tell me this is not the reason you wanted us to vote TSO.

Unvote

that is not the reason I want you to vote TSO.

[Ollie]

that is not the reason I want you to vote TSO.

What is the reason?

You will find out on day 6.

@Ollie:

Reveal now or it's not happening.

No & you don't get to decide that. Quit pestering me for info that you don't need/more to the point shouldn't be out there yet.

[Ollie]

I think shooting TSO is bad cause we can just lynch him. Like, don't waste precious resources.

Yeah we lynch TSO, you shoot someone else. Plan.

[Ollie]

Shooting TSO is counterproductive

Shooting TSO before Ollie confirms whether or not that works for getting vig shots is counterproductive.

Shooting TSO is a bad idea

[Ollie]

Ollie. give me 3 names.

Skybird & Otolia have marginally the biggest wagons so would be solid vig shots. But I would shoot anyone you fancy shooting apart from TSO. Pretty quickly though because the votes get reset when you shoot. & I've fucked up being a day vig a few times by taking too long to take my shot & not leaving long enough time for analysis of the outcome & votes (albeit in shorter games but with much higher activity). You know what, shoot whoever you think will provide the most info & we'll go from there. But ensure you don't have a negative effect in the day by taking too long.

[Ollie]

Yo, Ollie!

Since you're going to be shooting and all, I'm summarizing useful information for you:

Metal Sonic - Dayvigged scum D2. Could've been bussing, still, probably a bad shot, who knows?

Mastin2 - Cop, do not shoot

Skybird - Can redirect actions. If scum, will definitely redirect a shot. Do not shoot.

Otolia - Fine.

TheWayItEnds - Fine, but probably not scum no matter how much I wish it to be true.

Zel1nk - Actually, probably more likely to be scum than I originally thought?, but I wouldn't shoot him regardless.

Ooba - Resurrected Imperium, do not shoot

ZZZX - Mastin's doing some sort of dumbshit thing here, but is willing to confirm him. Do not shoot.

mnemonicdevice - Fine.

Magua - Mastin clears me.

vezokpiraka - Doc, do not shoot.

Espeonage - Fine. My preferred shot, really.

Drixx - Like ZZZX, mastin is confirming this slot for ~reasons~.

Imperium - Mod confirmed town.

Thanks, very helpful. I'll use this.

[Ollie]

Bees? wtf

[Ollie]

Alternatively, if you haven't already, you should consider fullclaiming to Ollie in your neighborhood PT.

Good idea, yeah KJ do this please.

[Ollie]

I shot Espeonage...

Espeonage - Fine. My preferred shot, really.

[Ollie]

my mark is on Otolia today btw, looks like I may have fucked up there with the way this day is going.

.

[Ollie]

@Ollie:

Do you still have your shot. Confirm with mod i fyou're not sure.

I've already PMed dramonic, hasn't responded yet

Also, I am potentially annoyed if Ollie chose his target immediately despite me telling him he didn't need to.

At the time I PMed dramonic a quote of what you said asking him if it was true & he said I chose my mark after TSO was lynched. So I PMed him it along with my shooting of Espeonage.

[Ollie]

VOTE: Vote Otolia

If anyone disagrees with lynching Otolia just just tell me who you'd rather have & I'll shoot them tonight & you vote for Otolia anyway.

Also can everyone tell me who I should mark for the lynch tomorrow & I'll mark whoever gets the most votes.

We'd get a shit load of info from all this as well.

We can collectively use my role as a weapon to win.

[Ollie]

ffs was getting a town read from killerjester in our neighbourhood as well after his full claim.

VOTE: Otolia

everyone give your opinion on who I should shoot.

[Ollie]

Ollie's shot

Metal Sonic -
Skybird -
Otolia -
TheWayItEnds -
Zel1nk -
Ooba -
ZZZX -
Magua -
vezokpiraka -
Espeonage -
Drixx -
Imperium -

copy & paste your preferred shot into this list.

[Ollie]

who would be the best mark for tomorrow?

[Ollie]

It shows what your reads are worth if I'm rising up your scum list just because I never went for your preferred option, despite my slot being confirmed as having shot scum. btw I picked one of the two who had the most heat the previous day at night (dramonic only answered my PM quoting Magua's post which was made at the end of the day asking when I marked, after the day was over).

& lol @ you not trusting my judgement, not asking you to. I shot Magua's top scum read (confirmed town & the most invested in the game). & I'm asking for consensus on who I should mark & shoot. I've no interest in having the main say in the game. My role should be used as a collective town weapon against scum; to kill them & gain info that could implicate them.

[Ollie]

Who I would want shot? I couldn't tell you now since it depends a bit on a conversation I want to have with Imperium.

Who is a passable shot of the options that will likely be on the table? Eh... Espy and TWIE are "safe" shots but I don't have strong feelings about either being scum (though an Otolia town flip would necessitate reevaluating Espy anyway)

I want who I should shoot tonight & who I should mark for a lynch tomorrow from everyone please. A definitive answer on both before the day ends.

Metal Sonic -
Skybird -
Otolia -
TheWayItEnds -
Zel1nk -
Ooba -
ZZZX -
Magua -
vezokpiraka -
Espeonage -
Drixx -
Imperium -

[Ollie]

Your response just makes you look worse.

Makes me look worse? It's not as if you even had a half way decent reason to suspect me in the first place!

Who gives a shit if you shot a scum? What scum team wouldn't trade one member for getting another conftown?

Just give me your opinion on who I should shoot & mark instead of complaining about it.

I think you have to look at the timing of his shot. The scum team was already down one member due to Sonic's shot. I don't see the scum team agreeing to sacrifice another member just to get a "confirmed" town read, especially losing the member that gave them an extra kill.

Good points, & why is scum wasting a chance to have a free hit at town? It's not exactly a policy lynch if you hit town with a day vig shot is it. Also the scum in question wasn't a mafia goon etc, Cephrir had quite a few strings to his bow. So busing him would be a horrible idea.

[Ollie]

@Ollie - I'd shoot espe, ZZZX, and not sure on the third name at the moment.

Which one should I shoot & which one should I mark for a lynch tomorrow?

[Ollie]

Metal Sonic -
Skybird -
Otolia -
TheWayItEnds -
Zel1nk -
Ooba -
ZZZX -
Magua -
vezokpiraka - TWIE (mark undecided)
Espeonage -
Drixx -
Imperium -

[Ollie]

sonic's reads

Metal Sonic - town as fuck
Skybird - trust that she is town
Otolia - scum can die
TheWayItEnds - troll
Zel1nk - "roleblocking fragilizer". put in a lot of effort though, but might be a strong scum player controlling the lynches in day
Ooba - i cant read this dude. town for rezzing imperium

Magua - conftown by mastina
vezokpiraka - the protector who never dies. i don't need him anymore though, so thank you for your services you are now dismissed (damn i'm a terrible boss that sounds terrible but im joking okay!)
Espeonage - i like his powers but PoE says he can leave

Imperium - town as fuck


ZZZX - mastinhood, if there's scum it's here
Drixx - mastinhood, lots of effort probably town

use this? its helpful

Pick a shot & a mark from your reads please

[Ollie]

Metal Sonic - zzzx/espeonage
Skybird -
Otolia -
TheWayItEnds -
Zel1nk -
Ooba -
ZZZX -
Magua -
vezokpiraka - TWIE/mark undecided
Espeonage -
Drixx -
Imperium -

[Ollie]

Fill this in/update it if you've changed your mind, then lynch Otolia, cheers.

Metal Sonic - zzzx/espeonage
Skybird - espeonage/ZZZX
Otolia -
TheWayItEnds -
Zel1nk -
Ooba - vezokpiraka/doesn't want me to shoot TWIE
ZZZX -
Magua - Metal Sonic/
vezokpiraka - TWIE/mark undecided
Espeonage -
Drixx -
Imperium - Metal Sonic/mark undecided

[Ollie]

I think a no mark is optimal

This is silly, we don't have to lynch who I mark but the option should be there to get an extra shot. I'm definitely marking someone, I don't mind keeping it to myself if that's what people want. & then near the end of the day I can say who I marked & then we can decide.

The guys who don't wanna give me their opinions aren't doing themselves any favours. btw if you changed your opinion update the list...

Metal Sonic - zzzx/espeonage
Skybird - espeonage/zzzx
Otolia -
TheWayItEnds -
Zel1nk -
Ooba - vezokpiraka/espeonage (doesn't want me to shoot TWIE)
ZZZX -
Magua - Metal Sonic/
vezokpiraka - TWIE/mark undecided
Espeonage -
Drixx -
Imperium - espeonage/metal sonic

[Ollie]

Vote Otolia

[Ollie]

Metal Sonic - zzzx/espeonage
Skybird - espeonage/zzzx
Otolia -
TheWayItEnds -
Zel1nk -
Ooba - vezokpiraka/espeonage (doesn't want me to shoot TWIE)
ZZZX - metal sonic/vezok
Magua - Metal Sonic/
vezokpiraka - TWIE/mark undecided
Espeonage -
Drixx - /Ooba
Imperium - espeonage/metal sonic

[Ollie]

Espeonage was my kill yes mate. This is going bloody great!

I thought the plan was to shoot Espeonage & mark Metal Sonic so I went along with that, Imperium wanted to do that. Plus you wanted me to shoot him earlier on the last day so I thought he'd be a good choice.

I personally think TWIE is scum as he was very elusive when I asked for his opinions & gave bs reasoning. So I would like to lynch Metal Sonic & shoot TWIE. Drixx will super hammer apparently....

Updated Plan with Drixx's ability explained:

Town lynches Otolia
Ollie shoots Espeonage
Snowflake protects Imperium
Ollie submits mark on Metal Sonic (who Drixx will super hammer tomorrow)
ZZZX protects whoever
Vezok protects Imperium

[Ollie]

Don't tell anyone your marked target yet 'cause I want to see how shit goes.

Ah didn't take this part in but no matter because if we go with my mark we still need to sort out who the shot is gonna be so we could devote more time to that, doesn't matter.

How many scum are even left? I think this is a slam dunk.

[Ollie]

I actually have no town read on Vezok and would not be sad if he got shot, but that "shoot vezok" was because he said to shoot me.

Thats why I quoted an old version of that list.

Realistically I would like to see the Otolia flip before I choose who to shoot though.

FT daykilled, is there a reason you're shooting at night now Ollie?

So fannying around with who to shoot & wouldn't actually give anyone seriously. When it looks like espeonage is the shot, says shoot espeonage on the 14th...

shoot espe

[Ollie]

@Drixx

What does this super hammer ability entail anyway?

[Ollie]

I don't think Metal Sonic should be lynched today.

But I want to hear what everyone else did last Night first tbqh.

You wanted him shot & you were voting for him at the end of the last day, what changed?

[Ollie]

[Ollie]

Metal Sonic can you run me through what your abilities in this game are mate?

[Ollie]

Metal Sonic can you run me through what your abilities in this game are mate?

[Ollie]

VOTE: Metal Sonic

[Ollie]

I shot TWIE. I considered shooting Drixx as he's 3rd party but I thought that would be a wasted shot, also considered skybird & not shooting at all. In hindsight I shoulda played it safe with Drixx. Especially given how all he's doing today is offer theories about me that he's constantly prefacing with "I know this is crazy but..."

2.) I really am not a fan of how TWIE handled yesterday. Apparently he did his job though because if my speculation about which kill was the delayed one and which one came from last night is correct, his move literally scared the ever living piss out of the remaining scum. Instead of going for a conftown, it seems likely that scum killed someone at night that would have been a pretty easy mislynch today.

No scum didn't kill him, I killed him. You're overthinking that, it was about how illusive he was when I tried to get opinions out of him for the list I made, his reactions when I commented on that & his hammering of MS when he came under pressure. TWIE would indeed have been an easy mislynch, woulda been a great person to leave alive for scum & that played some part in my decision as well, not the worst shot by any means.

Ollie has contributed fuck all to the game really.

Apart from those two scum kills from my slot (one from me), yeah great point. None of the people that my slot has killed made sense to kill from a scum stand point except from a confirmation bias viewpoint, if you look at things objectively instead of getting 'creative'.

There are multiple reasons why I have not been involved in the scum hunting as actively as I usually would. When I parachuted into the game, I had far too many pages to read back on (the longest game on the site don't forget), never realized the game was so big & it is pretty complicated with all the multiple roles, plus replacements, bit of a nightmare & a probably a waste of time as I usually killed off off quickly in the night phases. So I read back on my predecessor's posts & then iso'd some people as I went along. That's why I've been killing top scum reads from confirmed townies & asking for alot of advice & taken a back seat. & I can also provide you with examples in other games of the more I say, the more people twisting what have said on this site, no need to undo my read when I was being widely town read (for good reason). People on here have quite the imagination as you are proving. I hate it when townies turn on all but confirmed slots through paranoia, played a game recently that was lost because of that. Also this has been my only game on the site for a while now & I do keep forgetting about it as I'm out of the habit of checking regularly. tbh alot of the stuff people talk about I have no clue about so I thought about replacing out, but I got more of a interest in finishing it when I shot scum & also thought I could use my ability well for town which I feel like I have done & I might as well see this through now.

I cannot believe I'm actually making this argument, but I think Ollie is the last scum.

Neither can I!

Think about it. The very fact that Magua isn't even updating his prior assumptions about the slot in the end game shows just how good a gambit it is, if he's scum.

I think that shows that he has common sense & doesn't get caught up in wild paranoia. Just read magua's posts about me ffs. Actually read them instead of ignoring them.

Also ... Ollie shooting someone without saying a word in the thread about it just makes me think the pieces fit all the better.

Are you for real? I didn't know that MS was going down & I would even have a shot. I didn't actually think he was gonna get lynched. Added to that, I was asleep when MS was hammered & when the flip happened so couldn't have posted then & funnily enough I didn't expect four votes on MS from TWIE to end things at that point anyway. You seem obsessed by this highly unlikely theory of yours. You scum read me for asking for opinions & scum read me when I don't. Just stop.

[Ollie]

because we know that TWIE hammered MS with his four votes because hes a dum dum.

yes, yes we do.

[Ollie]

& you would still be alive if you hadn't have done that btw so well played.

[Ollie]

step outside of yourself, and tell me that the way your slot has been played wouldn't be a ridiculously good position for scum to be in.

It's a waste of time speculating who is in a good position or not, that's not the same as saying who actually is likely to be scum. it's more helpful to work out what is the most likely scenario & what the most likely situations we could find ourselves in are. What is your win condition again btw? Should I be shooting you tonight? It could just be you left. Tell me about this storm call thing, is that a reason you should be left alive?

Drixx, you mentioned something about scum needing a mastermind to make it this far. Right now to me, the best choice for the mastermind would be magua.

It just looks like you're troublemaking now. Unless you really think that magua is scum then you're achieving nothing with this.

VOTE: skybird

[Ollie]

I wont mind voting ollie. disappearance at this point of the game and using the vig shot or w.e is pretty much alarming imho

Er what?

ZZZX has a bit of a point. The only safe thing Ollie could do, if he's town, is shoot me. If he's the last scum, he can set himself up in the LYLO of his choice {Assuming final scum get to use ability + faction kill, as I believe is standard on site}. Shooting me won't do anything other than spitefully rob me of a chance to win, which I can only do by Storm Call on scum, which is what town wants me to do because it results in their win.

Today counts for all. We have to try and kill scum today because we are at the disadvantage in anticipating what might happen in the endgame.

I think lynching Ollie ensures we have MYLO tomorrow (or LYLO if the last scum has been holding a double kill hoping to endgame us before we realize it). If we posit that Ollie is town and he kills, and the scum has a double kill, then we lose. Those are like the worst case scenarios and at least need to be accounted for.

Will you stop acting like you're town & your opinion isn't biased towards your win con? You are not town, your win con is different to ours, & you will say whatever you can to fulfill it. Clearly your whole post is borne of your paranoia about me killing you so you want me dead. I don't have to kill you or anyone, but why shouldn't I when you yourself have said it would be the safe thing for me to do? I'm happy to leave you alive if you tell me why I should. How do we know that you don't have something left up your sleeve or what exactly your win con truly is? What will you do tomorrow if you live?

[Ollie]

yes I marked skybird, no brainer.

You wonder why I theorize you as scum and then you throw threats around without any apparent thought to how much damage you could cause.

Where did I throw threats around? Of course I've thought about potential damage, which is why the only person I would shoot tonight is you as we can't afford to lose another townie. As I said, I don't have to shoot anyone, the choice is between you & no one.

I don't think he should shoot

Revelatory news, 3rd party doesn't want to be shot.

[Ollie]

Ollie-slot, if scum, deserves the win. FourTrouble's shot on Cephrir put us in the lead a dramatic amount, and Ollie shooting Espeonage when he was vulnerable (roleblocked thanks to grabbing us) when he could have justified a shot elsewhere and picked a bad mark the next day and been completely fine riding the ridiculous amount of town cred he had into the win additionally seems unbelievable.

good post

Although that probably won't give us much more advantage than just lynching Skybird, having Ollie shoot ZZZX and ZZZX redirect from us to him and picking one out of you and Ollie tomorrow.

I say lynch Skybird today, then ZZZX tomorrow if needed. You, Magua & I are town, Drixx is 3rd party, so we should be sweet numbers wise. From the perspective I can see the game from, it's one scum or two scum left. We're in control as long as we stick with the most likely people & don't get silly with paranoia. To lose from this position (after such a long game especially) would be a joke.

[Ollie]

Interesting, you've now now went back on what you said. You said you wouldn't vote anyone, now you've put ZZZX on the brink of a lynch.

[Ollie]

Ollie

Thoughts on who the last scum is would be great.

Not sure. I thought skybird was the best option for a lynch because of what she could potentially do on the last day, if not her it was ZZZX, slam dunk if we lynch them consecutively, so that's why I've voted her. I don't care if ZZZX goes down though. But only after discussion & not a quick hammer so we are sure skybird can't do us over tomorrow. I'm not bothered about getting a shot, not planning on using it, unless someone comes up with a plan, so I'm not gonna push skybird's lynch on any other agenda that it's the safest route. I personally think we've already won as long as people don't go insane. So I would lynch the safest option to lynch today & go from there. No need to take risks & try & be overly clever.

[Ollie]

I just wanna say something at this point, that I want the other townies to bear in mind today & tomorrow, til the end. The worst outcome that I can envisage in this game is us snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, which we would have done if we lose this. I had recent experience of this in a game where a couple of fellow townies got complacent & started pissing around.

I said this in that game, it was moronically ignored...

"Assuming LEF isn't scum which I don't think he is cos the early claim ffs (have we learned nothing from Guyett's death?)... If LEF is shot tonight then I have to decide between two VTs which would be a piss take. We should down a VT then Shane shoots the other one if needed."

So this player called LEF got complacent & was just thinking about proving himself as town which was needless. A guy called Shane saw personal glory, thought that lynching a really early claimed role very likely to be in the game was a good idea instead of just lynching one of the two remaining VTs of which thee was too many, going for personal glory. & we ended up losing that game. It was ridiculous. It would annoy me more if we lost like that than I would get enjoyment from us winning, that's for sure. So just stick with the safe options, the logical options, let's use the information the game has provided us instead of guessing for glory. & let's see this out. Go for the most likely, play it safe.

Here's that game for reference: http://www.footballforums.net/showthrea ... tup/page62

[Ollie]

@Ollie:

"Either Skybird or ZZZX" may be technically correct fypov, but is not really a helpful answer. So: your example includes "thought that lynching a really early claimed role very likely to be in the game was a good idea." Thing is, Skybird, Drixx, and ZZZX all claimed their role in their respective neighborhoods D1. So. Thoughts on that?

Yeah that was; lynching a really early claimed role very likely to be in the game vs lynching a VT when we knew their were too many. The point I was making was that if we don't use the info the game has given us to decide what is/are the most LIKELY situation(s) then we're screwed. & no matter what theories we come up with, we're gambling & trying to massage our own egos if we go for the less likely stuff.

As pertains to this game, I claim fake roles on day one all the time, most often to keep myself alive. So maybe the most harmless & none threatening claim is scum; Drixx. I've seen scum claim 3rd party roles early to stay alive overnight & away from a potential lynch. His claim is more harmless because of the air of 'admitting' that he's not town. That builds trust. But tghis is an example of a theory which would be nice if it was true, but putting ego aside Id rather lynch one of the others. The oen who poses the most threat preferably.

[Ollie]

So you think scum are most likely to claim something harmless and non-threatening, and then want to lynch the person who claimed the thing that is least harmless and most threatening?

btw why the hell would you have me as scum over ZZZX?

[Ollie]

I don't. You are misreading.

I do have you as scum over skybird though.

How many mafia has she killed?

[Ollie]

I don't. You are misreading.

I do have you as scum over skybird though.

How many mafia has she killed?

That doesn't make you confirmed town, unfortunately.

I never said it did, but I should be at the bottom of a scum list between me, Skybird & ZZZX at the very least. Magua was voting for Skybird five minutes ago, now suddenly, my slot which has killed two scum (busing two of my own? lol no) is now ahead in his mind. Silly end of game paranoia. Which points to us leading the game tomorrow.

[Ollie]

*losing not leading

Killing scum isn't the only metric for determining towniness.

Feel free to continue the obvious statements. It is right up there at the top of the list though isn't it.

[Ollie]

How many mafia has she killed?

Zero.

But an odd question from someone who shot metal sonic.

Metal Sonic was lynched. I've never shot Metal Sonic & FourTrouble never shot him either.

[Ollie]

neverending mafiaaa gaaaame

ahaha

ahaha

ahahaaaaaaa

[Ollie]

This is painful. Let's just vote no lynch people then eh? Get the day over with. Round & round in circles we go.

[Ollie]

Ollie, how about talking to us about what you think is going on in the game. Right now I see me, Drixx, Imp, TWIE, and Magua trying to figure this all out. You are sitting back and complaining.

wtf is there to figure out? What more will we learn today? I've said it countless times now that I want to lynch you & ZZZX as the scum is one of you (could even be both). But the others keep changing their mind constantly like it really matters so the day goes on. Maybe it's just so obvious from my perspective because I have trust in Imperium & Magua being town & I know I am, I don't know. But it looks like people trying to be overly clever at the end of the game, I've seen it far too often in mafia. It often ends badly. I go with the most likely lynches then if I'm wrong I'll just say well played & move on. For me the time for taking risks has passed (my shooting of TWIE), now it's time to play the percentages.

<<Semi Cleared by tracker
<<Cleared by cop
<<Clearly town
"hurr durr lynch ZZZX"

I dont give a fuck anymore. y hear me? I have nothing else to defend myself because there is nothing left lmao.. if you still think im scum then you need to get some work on scumhunting techniques

Gut says its Ollie
Mind says its sky
inner deep gut says that maybe Drixx/Xombie pulled a major gambit

Vote:Ollie

This is all I have to say.

Gut feeling? Do you read horoscopes & tarrot cards as well? What nonsense. If you're not following what your mind says then you're just guessing & that's no use to anybody. Illogic near the end of game shite that I hate.

[Ollie]

*illogical

UNVOTE: skybird

VOTE: ZZZX

Real desperation stuff from ZZZX. Especially in contrast to skybird who has remained calm & reasoned throughout & has never had a cheap shot at trying to get me lynched either. & she probably has big breasts, I imagine. I only wanted to lynch her on safety principles (& initially this day for a shot but now I'm not arsed about that for a particular reason), I mentioned earlier in the game that I didn't think she was scum which I have just remembered. She certainly deserves a crack at winning (doubts he can if she's scum though) more than ZZZX as she's been very town.

[Ollie]

tl;dr, voted for ZZZX because he is scum flailing (will eeee says itz coz I voted im? Cor blimey guvnor, lets see)

[Ollie]

If you think that Skybird and zzzx are the only likely choices for scum you're def voting the wrong one.

ok, why?

[Ollie]

MAKE YOUR IMPACT FELT TWIE

[Ollie]

because if we lynch zzzx today you've lost your chance at ever lynching sky.

fuck that then, coulda sworn some ppl were saying it would be ok having her through to tomorrow but I don't see how.

UNVOTE: ZZZX

VOTE: skybird

ZZZX can wait.

I can't keep up with all these roles (didn't help that I came in after a gazillion pages).

Imperium; vote skybird then choose between the rest of us tomorrow for your vote.

[Ollie]

Will Magua & Imperium both be alive tomorrow or will one die? What's the likely scenario? So we would probably have...

ZZZX or skybird
Drixx
Ollie
Magua or Imperium

Most likely 2 townies, a 3rd party & 1 scum... or 3 townies & 1 scum if it was Drixx which I deem alot more unlikely.

So Drixx can you tell me exactly what your win condition is? I remember you saying it wasn't based on outlasting one faction or something. Will you be voting towards a town win & why? I mean not just to prove that you can help town. What's your role motivation?

[Ollie]

He could have easily shared what I am holding back and pushed to lynch me to get himself into tomorrow.

Ok this is a worry, why would what he knows get you lynched?

my target is anyone who isn't aligned with order.

explain

[Ollie]

No, the order part wasn't the puzzling thing for me.

Pantheon: Hindu
Faction: Order

Win condition: *** threats (not sure how much detail I can go into but I can say where those two words are in the sentence (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc if oked to do that) & how many words are in the sentence.

I wanted it explained to see what you'd say because it didn't make sense to me. Why would a 3rd party only kill scum & other 3rd parties? You're self aligned right? Yet you're basically doing town's work for us by only going after everyone else? Now I thought that was just your basic win condition. But if that's how you win with Storm Call then I guess it makes it more of a challenge so makes more sense from that perspective, ensuring your role wasn't too easy. This Thunder Strike thing that you needed ten for... how would you 'charge' someone? Any set alignment you needed for that? I'm not sure, it still seems convenient that you can only win with town now.

[Ollie]

I'm not voting Skybird.

So you're totally sure that she's not scum then? Why are you so willing to risk losing?

I'd rather no lynch than risk everything on ZZZX being scum. There's no need to do that.

[Ollie]

I thought baseless paranoia was how town lost games?

Baseless paranoia? We know for a fact that letting skybird live is an extra risk that we do not have to take, that is not baseless.

You are going with what you think (that skybird is town) over what you know (that if skybird is scum & is not lynched today then we are fucked). The last scum is skybird or ZZZX, if we lynch skybird today, it'd only be a matter of lynching ZZZX tomorrow. We play it safe, we win. But oh no, you want to make the game a 50/50 toss of a coin. That's illogical. What's your motivation to do that?

But I don't see any reason why I should vote Skybird when no one is convinced Skybird is scum

It's quite simple, because we have much more chance of winning if we lynch skybird. Is that not a good enough reason for you? Even if skybird flipped order, I doubt that would lose us the game. If ZZZX flips order then it's brown trousers time.

[Ollie]

are you actually insane?

legit worried about you bro

[Ollie]

a "Yes I am" would have sufficed

[Ollie]

What should I do?

You could start by not misrepresenting & simplying the game down to a place where what you want to do looks like the smart option because it isn't.

This is the whole picture...

If ZZZX is town & we lynch ZZZX today then we lose. = lynch skybird

If Skybird is town and we don't lynch Skybird today, we win the game. = lynch ZZZX

If ZZZX is scum & we do not lynch him today then we can lynch him tomorrow & still win. = meh

If Skybird is scum and we don't lynch Skybird today, we lose the game. = lynch skybird

2-1, time to lynch skybird.

[Ollie]

I believe though that you can lynch me today and still win even after I flip town.

^^^

[Ollie]

Guys, you can say how you were right at the end if skybird flips town, once we've won. Why do you need it proven a bit earlier, it makes no difference. I think losing the game on a needless risk would be worse than the possible feeling of being right. I don't wanna lose a game I should have won, do you? They're the games that you remember as they're annoying. I've had way too may of them. There is no harm in lynching skybird. She's done well to survive so long considering. Right now skybird & ZZZX are a snake. skybird is the head, ZZZX is the tail. We chop off the head & it can't hurt us.

We need 4 to lynch, 3 of you. This should be a no brainer.

[Ollie]

But ofcourse you wouldnt want to lose a game as scum because one of the targets you lined up in advanced decided to rebel against you.

Who is rebelling against me in this scenario? Who is my target? What?

[Ollie]

It is the smart option for you to lynch skybird because you think there is a possibility of skybird being scum. We don't think there is a possibility of skybird being scum. We find the chances of you being scum a bit more realistic, although we don't really think you're scum either.

Why do you think there is no possibility that skybird is scum?

[Ollie]

Well then you need an eye test because I've questioned Drixx to make sure I wasn't missing something there. & it isn't the other two.

ZZZX is the guy who has been hedging his bets saying his head said you were scum & his gut said I was (& btw why would you not go for who your head said was scum). The order of the lynches I have said we should go for is how we win the game. I was happy to let the people who'd been playing the game the longest steer the ship rather than read 351 pages with replacements & multiple new roles & abilities to understand... until they steered us away from logic. But now it looks like we're going 50/50 anyway. So whatever.

[Ollie]

Nothing else I can say to try & change Imperium & Magua's minds so fuck it...

UNVOTE: skybird

VOTE: ZZZX

ZZZX is one vote away from the chop

[Ollie]

he is ignoring the existance of drixx

Nope. In any case you've said it's between me & skybird for who is scum, so why are you complaining? You don't think Drixx is scum but I should? Brilliant. In fact you've buddied up with him in your neighbourhood so really just wtf!

just going for me somehow for no reason while in reality i am cleared (ok you can give an excuse for that) but also I agree on drixx's points on him.

It may have escaped your attention, but it's Imperium & Magua driving your lynch. Are you suspecting them of being scum for that? Your imminent lynch is clearly down to process of elimination so stop being a baby. I mean look at you having me as your number 1 suspect after I offed two scum, that's a first for me I can tell you that for free, but it's the just the way this game has panned out, the people who are left.

What a surprise that you 'agree' with Drixx. If only I had someone I could cosy up to in my neighbourhood eh. Your mate Drixx who you want me to suspect of being scum.

[Ollie]

The rational play is to remove the potential auto lose condition. I'm seriously wondering if I've wandered into an alternate universe or something.

VOTE: Skybird

This is the most sane and rational lynch today.

This is what I've been saying.

They're not interested.

[Ollie]

why? I would be lynched and you would shoot hte remaining 3

unless it was a day ability?

Because that is how it works.

If you think it works differently, you should reread. My original question to Imperium was which of (Ollie, ZZZX, Drixx, Skybird) they thought was most town. They said Skybird.

So you, Drixx, and Ollie are gonna die.

Are you definitely using your ability?

[Ollie]

I will never get the end of a town as town win at this rate, it's actually hilarious. Never have. Always get killed off.

[Ollie]

I will never get the end of a town as town win at this rate, it's actually hilarious. Never have. Always get killed off.

* of a town win as a townie

[Ollie]

"Why are you showing doubt bro? " -Smiled our unknown man as he was walking into the lynching platform, with a smile on his face knowing that judgement will occur.

these are so annoying man

[Ollie]

Off yourself then ZZZX & let's see what's what & who is who then. Kinda hoping I get to say "I told you so" about skybird a little bit. But would rather win, would be annoying to lose from today's position.

[Ollie]

game will then be over tonight right? Is dramonic about?

[Ollie]

ah his last visit was a while ago

[Ollie]

This post says that you do recognize that I am town. Quite a scum slip at worse and a really interesting statement otherwise.

How have you derived that from my post?

Well done for typing a post that doesn't involve one of your crazy quotes though champ. #progress

[Ollie]

"Why are you showing doubt bro? " -Smiled our unknown man as he was walking into the lynching platform, with a smile on his face knowing that judgement will occur.

these are so annoying man

No

Off yourself then ZZZX & let's see what's what & who is who then. Kinda hoping I get to say "I told you so" about skybird a little bit. But would rather win, would be annoying to lose from today's position.

This post says that you do recognize that I am town. Quite a scum slip at worse and a really interesting statement otherwise.

I will never get the end of a town as town win at this rate, it's actually hilarious. Never have. Always get killed off.

Well if you were town and sky was scum then town win wouldn't happen. But who knows

Will vote self of magua decided that's a day.otherwise we always have room to scum hunt.

Four in a row! Are you feeling ok?

[Ollie]

I will never get the end of a town as town win at this rate, it's actually hilarious. Never have. Always get killed off.

Well if you were town and sky was scum then town win wouldn't happen. But who knows

Start of the day, thought I would be in at the end as lynchbait. We'd lynch skybird, then you & we'd win. I don't suppose it matters though. I made my contribution with the scum kill.

If skybird is scum then at least I was right about what to do. The smugness MAY overshadow the annoyance. I hope so.

But either way, I want to know sooner rather than later.

[Ollie]

I thought ZZZX was the last scum but he seems genuinely open to lynching himself, there's no angle in that unless he's unlynchable unless it was one last gambit, doesn't look that way though. So that puts me to thinking skybird is the last scum, if not; Drixx. So I would have ZZZX as the most likely to be town now. I don't see why he would announce intent to off himself if he's scum. In contrast, skybird has never actually truly been on the verge of being lynched to see what she would do.

[Ollie]

/end of game paranoia

but hey it literally is almost the end of the game & what I say will not affect what happens now so I will allow myself that.

[Ollie]

Run me up, I will self-vote.

Magua, I would say ZZZX is probably the most town. The things that Ollie have been posting lately seem scummy to me.

Yeah it's funny that, whoever I think is the last scum, then thinks I am. Curious.

& you know what, now I think about it, I wouldn't self vote so why are others offering themselves up? I think it's stupid to do as town & a desperate gambit. Why would you not fight & tooth & nail to not be mislynched? There's even a possibility that skybird & ZZZX are both scum & they're trying a trade off where one of them lives. Oh I don't even know, offering to self vote or be lynched isn't alignment indicative though.

[Ollie]

And why if you are town, would you not consider being the lynch if you felt it would help town? Look at all the suspicion that was heaped on me earlier in the game because I did exactly what you are saying. I defended myself and was trying not to be mislynched. And for that, I was scummy.

As town, I want to do what is best to help town win. If that means me dead so people like you and Drixx will no longer have me to point at and scream scum! then that is OK by me. Then you have to find someone else to run up as scum and at that point, someone is going to trip up and say the wrong thing. Then town busts this game and wins.

Mislynches don't help town, neither does going down easy & self voting. If you're town then your death wouldn't help us. The only time I was ever lynched as a townie was when 3 or 4 scum voted for me right at the start of a day in a synchronized lynch & one of them had 3 votes, no townies voted for me & I wasn't online throughout. Point is... As a townie you have a duty to be town read & to keep yourself alive in the day. If I'm a townie then the only way I'm going out is at night. But er sorry for the lecture.

[Ollie]

So if I'm reading your post Correctly Magua, you think Ollie is the last scum? If so, let's lynch him instead of ZZZX.

You sure that you & ZZZX aren't both scum?

The order doesn't matter.

[Ollie]

You could get three votes on her, just agree a time to vote in advance & everyone does it then.

[Ollie]

Not having ZZZX as scum after that.

Magua please kill skybird & Drixx, just realized something, check this out...

See, now you are being silly. Do you seriously think there is more than one scum left?

How can I be scum then? I don't think it's possible for one player to carry out two night kills? & three happened the night prior with no scum death since. That's one massive flaw in anyone suspecting me of being scum.

Surely it has to be you or Drixx doing the factional kill?

I was concentrating on trying to get skybird lynched rather than defending myself, has screwed us, I bet magua's ability is locked in now. Brown trousers time now, hope Drixx is scum.

[Ollie]

Right, I'm really confused now, so Magua never used his ability? I thought the game would be over & I'd be looking at who won.

Why does lack of brambles mean we should lynch Drixx? wtf even are brambles in this game?

[Ollie]

Right, I'm really confused now, so Magua never used his ability? I thought the game would be over & I'd be looking at who won.

Why does lack of brambles mean we should lynch Drixx? wtf even are brambles in this game?

[Ollie]

Ollie acting all confused about it seems fake to me.

I'm essentially confused about the same thing as Drixx, why no brambles means that he should be lynched. Also I've never encountered them in a game before, not much idea what they are, & I didn't read all 352 pages when I parachuted into the game to find out. Longest game ever replacement problems.

[Ollie]

457 pages, not happening. As town you coulda just told me by now so I'd be informed instead of being difficult & saying if I was town I would know! How does that even make sense?

Here's why I'm town...

My slot has killed two scum... I've never been in a game where the mafia outright bused two of their own (we're not talking about being on a wagon or hammering), it's counter productive, & putting the team's chances in an inexperienced player like myself's hands would be idiocy. I'll dig up Magua's posts on those vig shots tomorrow.

FourTrouble was widely town read... my plan (because of the high page count) if I survived nights, was to get more involved as the game went on, as the situation became easier to understand. & to see what then happened when people got desperate & started to look at me. Never got as into it as him, he was very town, you gotta take both of us into consideration here.

Drixx is scum... & I've seen scum claim a harmless third party role & win a few times.

Why do I even care? Never been lynched as town properly before, don't wanna start in this game. & to once again not make it to the end of a town win would be a piss take. Well we'd lose, but the effect is the same.

[Ollie]

Took me awhile to figure out an actual town test for Skybird. I'm satisfied. If Imperium agrees I'm quite happy to Storm Call Ollie. If Skybird is actually scum and passed

that

town test, then she deserves to win. Period.

Ollie basically just admitted that he intentionally kept his head down to coast on the town cred his slot predecessor built ... then he claims that the scum team wouldn't have put their chances in his hands (but they hadn't ... had they? It was FT who pulled off the gambit and the town cred). Appeal to Emotion asking for credit from his slot's prior player. That's a huge red flag.

And then the final AtE of "I've never been lynched as town ... don't do it to me now!"

If I needed any more proof that you're the last scum you gave it to me here. I killed Espeonage, ME. That woulda been the one that left me on my own. If there were two scum left it would be game over.

Yes I did coast, was gonna replace out early on, then I reasoned with myself that someone else would only have to read up on all the pages & catch up. After I got a scum kill I got more invested in the game.

& no I'm explaining the situation from my POV exactly as it is.

Why did you claim your 3rd party status so early Drixx?

All that stuff at the start of the day about skybird possibly being scum pinged me as fake as well. We had the discussion at length the previous day about how she would be unlynchable today. Then saying how you're now satisfied that's it's me? Yeah great. In reality, your lynch target today was always me, it had to be. So that was really odd.

[Ollie]

He was scum instead of 3rd party. Unless it was you or Imperium.

I hope it was skybird tbh then I can say I told you so. But I'd be shocked if it's now Drixx now.

Well played Drixx. Deserved win mate. You definitely put the effort in.

[Ollie]

I thought we were lynching drixx because of brambles though, so I'm confused.

That makes two of us. Well one of you has had a nice win!

[Ollie]

See, now you are being silly. Do you seriously think there is more than one scum left?

Yes I did. That's why I wanted a skybird/ ZZZX one/two lynch & didn't want Drixx to go down. People were saying I wasn't considering him, yes I was, I was considering him killing someone for me overnight. I wasn't into killing off any more mafia, if people still considered the possibility I was mafia after killing two of them then there was no point.

You were clearly town btw skybird, knew that early on. Very town display so well played for that, even if town did hound you alot.

I want to congratulate Ollie for one of the best played SK games I've ever seen. If my plan for MYLO had gone as I wanted, you would have won.

I had fun controlling a few lynches with my marks. I could shoot every night regardless. The marks were just to give make me BP. Guessing we both shot Magua?

I got a kick out of seeing you get Imperium to hammer to give you the win like that. Total victory. As I said, you put the effort in, much more than me (I only read FourTrouble's posts when I replaced in, as well as the pages around where he day vigged & worked out what to do from there), well done, deserved victory.

[Ollie]

btw, top scum hunting by Drixx here, it was a slip, I had no clue what Order was...

my target is anyone who isn't aligned with order.

explain

@Everyone else - I think we just won. ISO Ooba and Mastin. Both reported cop results gave "Order" for an innocent, but Ollie seems confused by "Order = town aligned". This looks like a slip to me.

My Role PM says self-aligned. I assume that for townies, it says Order?

Totally bull shitted my way out of that, luckily there was an order role PM example at the start of the thread...

No, the order part wasn't the puzzling thing for me.

Pantheon: Hindu
Faction: Order

Win condition: *** threats (not sure how much detail I can go into but I can say where those two words are in the sentence (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc if oked to do that) & how many words are in the sentence.

I wanted it explained to see what you'd say because it didn't make sense to me. Why would a 3rd party only kill scum & other 3rd parties? You're self aligned right? Yet you're basically doing town's work for us by only going after everyone else? Now I thought that was just your basic win condition. But if that's how you win with Storm Call then I guess it makes it more of a challenge so makes more sense from that perspective, ensuring your role wasn't too easy. This Thunder Strike thing that you needed ten for... how would you 'charge' someone? Any set alignment you needed for that? I'm not sure, it still seems convenient that you can only win with town now.

[Ollie]

can we see the mafia & dead threads then?

[Ollie]

threads please???

[Ollie]

haha yeah all those quotes were annoying, there's my single vent post.