SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)
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I've made it through the first 4000 posts (not in depth reading, but skimming and speed reading). I have to get some work done but I'll be back to finish speed reading and skimming. I'll ask questions if there's something that doesn't make sense to me. I almost didn't replace in, but I really enjoy SMITE (bought the all gods forever pack in beta for super cheap!). The community has way less blowhards/jackholes than the LoL community. I couldn't resist a mafia game themed on it. My eyes are a bit irritated with me atm though.-
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Okay. My brain is fried. This thread is erm ... interesting. Can someone give me advice on how far into the thread I should start to do real reads on the living? I really don't want to ISO people (unless I find reason to dig deeper in detail) or take notes on nearly 7k posts if I can help it. Is current day start far enough back?-
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Magua, with all due respect, I'm going to do it right replacing into this game. After I've got my notes down on the living players, I'll decide what I want to say with a proper intro into the game. It's very possible I'll tell you lots of what I think about mastin2 and ZZZX. I'd appreciate it if you could give me some guidance RE #6848 so I can get on with it and be productive in here this evening. Thanks in advance.-
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I've read my neighborhood QT. My sense of things is that the other people in my QT have strong evidence for being townie. I don't believe I've seen anything that confirms anyone as townie without me making at least one or two assumptions. I also feel like my brains went through a blender reading this thread, so I may perhaps be being overly cautious.-
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Let me be slightly more specific. The neighborhood I'm in worked out a pretty convincing and well thought out plan on how to trust each other. I can't poke any specific holes in it and I rate the evidence and interactions there to be very highly probable that my neighborhood is town. This thread was a behemouth to consume in a single day, and I'm trying very hard not to screw up the game by having overlooked something I ought to keep to myself. I apologize if me being cautious and trying not to screw up everyone's SEVEN THOUSAND POSTS of effort is a minor inconvenience to your day.-
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She has made no secret that she's dealing with some real life serious problems at the moment, which should probably be kept in mind.
- I have seen plenty of people legitimately not realize a deadline is approaching, especially when playing in multiple games. Day phases on this site are very long, so I don't think mixing up or missing the deadline is necessarily something not to believe. I can buy that.
- Given my own knowledge of my actions/abilities, I wouldn't be surprised.
- Mod error is a thing that happens, even with the best mods. That has a lot more to do with the mod than Mastin. I tend to try and be super meticulous when running a game, and I like complex games but I'm not sure I would expect myself to make zero errors in this particular game.
In short, I see no reason to be suspicious of Mastin at the moment.
Can youpleasetell me whether doing a non-skim reading starting at this day phase will be sufficient or whether I need to go back further? After speed reading / skimming the entire thing, I've got a lot of scrambled thoughts and I really want to do a proper read and make notes so I don't mix people and claims and reads up.-
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In post 6859, Magua wrote:Last question: mastin getting a report on tso despite nonactioning?
I never bother to read any of a game when I replace in, and I don't recommend you bother either.
There are a few things I've seen that lead me to believe that a delayed report isn't at all unlikely. My own ability set has some tradeoffs that would require me to not do some useful things in order to do something else useful at a later time. I don't see why Mastin can't also have something in that vein. I mean ... this game has featured some crazy role stuff that's already in the thread.-
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I'll be more specific about things from my neighborhood after I actually get done talking to my neighborhood and they've answered my questions. You'll get an answer then Magua.
While it is REALLY appealing to just read from when I replaced in, that feels like it's not really good play and certainly disrespectful to all the players who have been here since the start. I feel obligated as a replacement player to form good reads and all I really need is some informed opinion of how far back I should go to ensure I come away with reliable reads.-
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So that's confirmation from T S O that the info is correct, and the only question is whether Mastin was honest about how it all happened, or has some reason to obfuscate. Would said reason necessarily be bad? (I'd like honest answers as an unclouded view from someone NOT having read my neighborhood thread should be helpful to me decide how much trust to put in said neighborhood's members).-
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I love the avatar TSO. I'm guessing you'll recognize mine.
I feel like maybe the neighborhood mechanic has led this game into an awkward game state. I understand it, because I'm not really willing to say more than I'm pretty sure my neighbors are town. I'd say like 90-95% sure. It was kind of an interesting replace in, heh.
I will compliment the game mod on this though: This is about what throwing all the SMITE gods together ought to feel like. A+ for authenticity.
I have a bunch of notes from reading all of this day phase. I'm going to do what mastin suggested and go back a bit further to that point and see if anything changes, and then I'll share my thoughts. I don't expect them to be world shattering or anything, but perhaps fresh eyes will be helpful for some of you?-
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In post 6958, theaceofspades wrote:can we lynch mastin?
I'd prefer if we didn't. I have strong good reasons to prefer this.-
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I'm sad I didn't get on this game from the beginning. I've now caught up and have some notes and thoughts. It looks like the rest of you are pretty much agreed on going for Ank today. I think I can get on board with that, although I'd like to review my notes from my reading and do a couple of ISO and context checks to be sure of my thoughts. Thanks for giving me the time to get acclimated.
Also, as an aside, some of the stuff you guys got up to in this game was hilarious to read as a replacement. Thanks for that-
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I haven't played a lot with TSO yet, but I'm gonna have to agree that the TSO that people around herereveredoesn't strike me as the sort of figure who would make #7144. I would expect to see TSO (the townie) doing everything he could to help his wincon, so that even if the whole strange mod error thing ended up getting him killed, he would have left valuable game winning sorts of stuff behind as a sort of legacy to the rest of us.
Mind you, I don't really know TSO ... but when someone has a bit of a legendary persona that lots of people know and refer to, it kind of builds them up in the imagination, you know?-
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I am in Mastin's neighborhood and still waiting for the resolution of the plan we have in place. I do not believe it's possible for me to know for sure that nothing interfered with it, but if I understand everything from my reading after replacing in, weshouldbe able to basically function as a mason team at this point in my neighborhood. I'm waiting for Mastin to show up and confirm everything worked as expected and then I will want to go through all the logic myself to make sure I've not been duped.
In other words, I won't be endorsing Mastin's claims without being convinced myself, and seeing as I'm in the neighborhood and know everything that has been kept close to the vest, I'll be quite happy to answer questions if Mastin shows up with some obvious dodge, and unless She has some amazingly believable reason to ask foryet another dayI would almost certainly be on that wagon.
All of this is pointless speculation until Mastin shows up though. So far there's nothing in our neighborhood for today.-
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At what point should I start being suspicious of Mastin? I'm in her neighborhood and there's a ton of stuff in there between her, ZZZX and the prior player on my slot that was all supposed to culminate in a super useful reveal today. I've been asked not to share the details of what we were doing and what we were trying to accomplish ... but this absence is really shaking my faith.
@Metal Sonic - Where is the reasoning for your #7277? Why is that conjecture more likely than FT assuming they might have tried to break his BP or just assuming that the dead person was killed by scum? I mean, there was intent stated in the thread to kill him already, so it seems like it might be a smart play, especially given that it has you making assumptions about three level protection that might not exist. The scum could have made the play that way just to set up a situation where they can take you out when you think you're safe.
I mean, that's just conjecture on my part. Is #7277 more than conjecture on your part?-
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In post 7412, Metal Sonic wrote:mastin's grand reveal was not so grand after all.
i am going "meh" rather "wow"
meh
It would have been staggeringly impressive if she hadn't had the night 2 snafu and we had been able to do what we wanted to a guilty result. It would have conftowned our entire neighborhood since the plan called for all three of us to do our part. I don't really want to say any more because it's still possible to make it work and ensure a town win.-
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In post 7670, ooba wrote:This game feels weird for some reason. If I had to guess, it's probably because of scum hardcore lurking and town fighting amongst each other.
- TheWayItEnds ( 5 days 22 hours )
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- theaceofspades ( 8 days 0 hours )
You really think the entire remaining scum can all be found among the lurkers? That seems kind of like a really bad plan. I think more has been posted in the last 8 hours than the rest of this day phase. Might be a little bit of bias in our minds about activity ups and downs? I think it might be prudent to poke these folks to check in either way. I would just be surprised if the scum team just team lurked.
In post 7676, ZeL1nK wrote:(And all of them have posted elsewhere but not here since day start. Espy has all but disappeared from this game while posting elsewhere on site, which is annoying.)
This is really dirty. I've been watching the game, and there were all of a suddenpagesof posts since I checked last night. Before that the posts were just dribbles. If things are slow and then there's a short term spurt of activity, you're always gonna have people who weren't interested during the dribbles. Why are you looking to ding people for being inactive in a game that was, until quite recently, kind of barely sputtering along?-
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In post 7767, ZeL1nK wrote:In post 7764, Drixx wrote:I think ZeL1nK just did more to convince me that it's scum than any amount of posts by other players could.
Fantastic. Quite honestly, I do not care what you think because I don't think you're a competent enough player to know what you're talking about, as evident by your awkward defense of lurker slots for no good reason.
I would show you the meter that measures my care factor for your opinions on this game, but it's so far below zero that it's busted the meter.
Oh dear. Nobody has ever insulted me before. What ever shall I do?
If you insist on blinding yourself to logic, that's your problem. This game has been stagnant for quite some time. Not only that, but assuming that you'll find scum amongst people with ridiculously long idle times in the game is just like asking to lose the game. The fact that you misconstrued what I was saying as adefenseof anyone or anything is just proof of your idiocy. Do youreallythink scum are going to have 8 day lurking spells? On what planet does it make sense that someone gets randomly assigned to the informed majority, which most people admit they enjoy far more than being assigned as town, and then lets himself get outed by a huge period of lurking in just the one game while participating in others?
Did you even think about it at all before you decided to insult me, or do you routinely just flail around making random guesses until you, like a blind squirrel, stumble upon a nut?-
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ZeL1nK that's rather poor form. If you think I've overlooked something important, the rational thing to do is point me to it. I take exception with the claim that I wasdefendinganyone. I just found the idea that the remaining scum would all be super idle to be unlikely.
When I defend someone, you'll know it. It will look a lot like when I defended Mastin earlier.-
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In post 7774, ZeL1nK wrote:Also I don't care what is or isn't poor form.
Your input so far this day phase has been... suggesting that lurking isn't necessarily scummy.
Yay. Thanks. I wasn't aware of this before, but now I am. Where we would be without you?
Do you know why I suggested one of the people not providing any content be vig-killed instead of suggesting we should blindly lynch one of the lurkers? I'll let you take a while to think about it and come up with an answer yourself.
In the mean time, if this is all you have to say about the game, then I really don't care about your input.
I don't care if this sounds harsh. I'm fed up with dealing with awful arguments in this game.
TSO should have been lynched already. He is plainly and obviously scum.
I agree with you that there has been a lot of useless drivel in this thread, which is why I'm not really too suspicious of the lurkers. Please feel free to check my on site posts. Idespiselurking. In this case, I can understand checking out of this game,especiallywith the quality, or lack thereof, in the time since I replaced in.
That said, I wouldmuch ratherthat my neighborhood does our thing and gets a confirmed guilty on TSO (or one of the other two people we've narrowed it down to, but TSO seems like the obvious most scummy one), so that we can do our thing and create a trusted conftown group out of the three of us. I get that you might be skeptical of Mastin, but I'm just explaining why my vote isn't on TSO yet.
I've been trying to figure out via TSO's associatves who his scum buddies are so I can provide a viable alternate lynch that people will agree is scummy. It's just taking awhile in this gigantic threadnought.-
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Vezok ... this day phase was going along quite slowly and without much of any merit UNTIL the past 24 hours. Are you really trying to argue otherwise?
@ZeL1nk & @ooba - There is a very specific reason I want to knowfor surethat TSO is scum, before he dies. I do understand that it appears most of the game doesn't feel like waiting, and if nobody is swayed by me saying I have good and sound reasons, then I shall simply try and find another way to do what I want to do with TSO. I will vote for him if the people I view as most probably town believe that's the right play today.-
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Okay ... that makes sense. What I see from TSO is more inconsistent than necessarily things I read as scummy. I will ISO him and do my thing where I assume he's scum and see how much sense his play makes and then assume he's town and see how much sense his play makes. If I feel like he's more likely to be scum at that point, I'll vote him and give my thoughts.-
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In post 8045, T S O wrote:Note to self: do not let ZZZX into LyLo ever.
ZZZX has really good reasons to believe what he does. Obviously it's possible that Mastin or I have tricked him or he has tricked us, but I don't think so. Obviously the neighborhood chat has a lot to do with that. As someone else early speculated, it seems like having scum in every neighborhood would be a really easy failure mode for a game, so at the moment I'm reading my own neighborhood as almost certainly having no scum in it.
@all - I feel like TSO is playing far too townie for everyone to really believe he's scum. His posts, especially in ISO, are all reasoned and there's some very genuine frustration on his part that nobody seems to be evaluating the game and evaluating what he's saying. He isn't flailing at all. I'll grant that it's possible that he could just bethat goodas scum, but I'm not getting that vibe from him at all. Even though it feels like his lynch is inevitable, he's legitimately scum hunting and trying to help town. That's a really strong indicator to me.
Iam; however, wondering why Vezok has so much town cred. I've seen some scummy posting just today (timing and content both).-
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In post 8177, mnemonicdevice wrote:In post 8174, ooba wrote:In post 8169, mnemonicdevice wrote:Can a few people give me a rundown of what happened day one? Feel free to add personal bias, and feel free to call out the bias in other people's summaries
All this is from memory so pardon me if I get this wrong.
D1 - We start off on some neighbourhood speculation. Some people breadcrumb or outright claim neighbourhoods. Xombie gets a smallish wagon for 'jokey' posts and other reasons - but that dies down because his responses seem town. Ace of spades is the wagon that dominates much of D1. It dies down close to deadline because people just don't 'feel' it. AP is a compromise wagon.Luckily he flips third party so it's not a wasted day.
Your wording here is interesting. Wouldn't the day not be wasted if you lynched town, because of knowledge gained from the flip? Sure it would be better for a 3rd party to flip, but the day wouldn't be a waste if you lynched town, unless it was a flash lynch
D2 is more useful because
- We have a day vig who claims and asks for shots - Those reactions will be useful
- He hits scum so reactions to that will be useful
- We have a gladiate used between three players. I don't consider the wagons particularly telling but still - it's action packed as opposed to the snooze fest that is D1
- Then one of the wagoned claimed a 1-shot ult vig.
- I won't spoil the rest of the day but it has a modkill, scum flip and town flip
Overall: It's a minefield of interactions.
I shall go back and read day 2 tomorrow morning
If you get lost in there, we'll send a search party! I should have listened when I replaced in and they told me not to read everything. I'm still not sure I everreallymade it back out of this thread. It could be the case that I'm still stuck somewhere in there and it's just sort of simulating my life for me now.
Also, the last page has been hilarious. Can I be Sweeden?-
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I gotta agree with you Magua. This game has stalled pretty hard. Wanna work together to jump start things? I think that TSO is almost certainly gonna be lynched today, right or wrong (and while I personally am reading him town, I'm considered n00b and unrefined by most MS veterans, and for all I know, I am).
Let's perhaps look at others and see if we can make some headway, yes? There seem to be a lot of people who are comfortable with just prod dodging the way through the day, content with the inevitable TSO lynch.-
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In post 8379, Imperium wrote:Espy I'm really really really sure zelink is town.
I'll eat my hat if he's not.
Will you want some mustard with that? Regular or horshradish hot?
(I'm not actually convinced Zelink is scum but ... my gosh there is some scummy mcscumerson posts out of him today).-
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That happens with us all TSO. This is a game where skill is subjective and being good requires a wide variety of skills. To make it worse, there are many competing ideas of how to go about certain things. I have found, so far, that the people who are drawn to forum mafia as a hobby tend to be on the above side of average intelligence and are usually well educated, well spoken, and tend to have the commensurate high opinion of themselves. I am not excluded from this analysis. This is why I try to keep my own mafia pay rational and leave emotion at the door.
The upside of that is that you can have quite a lot of fun with these games, apart from the intellectual challenge aspects, as most of the folks who stick with it long term can be like mental whetstones.
I haven't slept due to grading exams, so perhaps this will make no sense. Perhaps it will.-
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Well, while I've got your attention ... why shouldn't I be voting for Vezok again? Interactions with known scum plus fairly bad logic being used to say he's town, plus him only dropping in occasionally to say something useless ... seems like a lot of reasons to have my vote there. What did I miss on my catch up read?-
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In post 8475, ZeL1nK2 wrote:Is that based on actually analysing all the interactions and arriving at the conclusion he's scum or is the interaction you're talking about, "he claims to have used his role on Pumbaa"?
If it might actually convince people to think about it, I'll dig back through the ISO and pull stuff out in context and show why he reads scummy to me. That's an awful lot of work in an 8,500 post game if I just missed some reason whereby everyone is sure he's town, and thought I'd, you know, ask first.-
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When I replaced in, I wasnotgiven my predecessor's actions. I had to ask what "I" had done. What just happened when TAOS slot was replaced was pretty harsh and over the top. I'm glad to see that reason prevailed.
@Magua - I'm sorry you don't find my contributions to be enough. I replaced late into a game with coming up on 9,000 posts. What my slot has done ties in heavily with a plan being undertaken by my neighborhood, and I've been asked not to interfere, whether I agree with that plan or not. Hopefully I'll have a very useful contribution in the next day phase. I will just pull a Mastin and say that the wait will be worth it.-
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We're arguing a bit about whom we think is scum. Every time I see Vezok poke up and post he looks more scummy, but there's some contradiction there. I am approx. 50% of the way through looking at him in context for the entire game. (Holy HELL this thread is crazy and long). I may end up concluding that he's solid and should never be touched ... just something has pinged my scumdar with him so while the game thread has been nonsense lately I've been doing that. Sorry I haven't been more communicative. I figured the case one way or the other would be more appreciated than a post like this.-
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Wow ... that was a phenomenally scummy move. That seems like a pretty scum oriented ability on top of the super scummy posts.
@Magua - I don't use my vote very casually. It's a relic from the site where I played for years. I use it when I can't get someone to answer me and need to try and put pressure on them to engage, or when I'm reasonably sure someone is scum. You aren't the first to wonder about it, so maybe after the game is over you could brief me on the expectations here at MS as far as vote usage goes?
Also ... was that a one time thing or would I lose my vote if I put it on Heartless?-
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I think Heartless should probably be the lynch for a ton of different reasons. I am going to prod mastin in our neighborhood to see what she's thinking.
Someone eluded to it earlier, but at this point, our neighborhood is about as completely trusting of each other as a mod-confirmed mason group, because {reasons}. I'm amused that Mastin is protected and scum don't know why and thus we get to keep working towards what we think is a very broken (and unintended) mechanics based game win. I probably have said more than Mastin would like, but at some point (toMorrow I hope) we're going to end up delivering scum on a platter and probably explaining it at that point or soon afterward so... yeah.-
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Okay oh reluctant ones. This is a simple exercise.
Either Heartless is scum or he isn't. I read heartless as scum because of thewaythe ability was used and what it has done to the game. I ask myself who benefits from the game stagnating and nobody doing any real scumhunting? Easy answer.
On the off chance that Heartlessisn'tscum, he still has to go because of the reality that we will always be questioning him over what he did today. If he makes it into a hypothetical end game, he's mislynch bait. I don't see how I would vote anyone else left in the game right now over him if we got down to a spot where MYLO/LYLO was a concern ... so that means that rationally I should vote him right now ... which I have, I think. But just in case...
VOTE: Heartless-
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In post 9076, Imperium wrote:In post 9065, ZZZX wrote:In post 9047, Imperium wrote:town:
Magua
Ollie
Ooba
Zelink
Mastin2
Metal Sonic
Mnemonic
Otolia
These players will not be lynched throughout the course of the game unless mastin claims what makes ZZZX and Drixxx actual confirmed town. Lynch order is likely Skybird to TSO to Espeonage to ZZZX to Drixx to vezok to TWIE. If Drixx and ZZZX confirm themselves, they get into the town block and push Otolia and Mnemonic near the end. If they just kind of confirm themselves, they make it to the end of the lynch list.
you cant have someone in a town block and have someone he confirmed to be 100% town outside of it you know.
that and the fact that there is a REASON we dont give you the info. We gave you what mastin does for now so dont ask for the impossible.
Just so you're aware, in case you missed it, the only slot here 100% confirmed to be town is us. Magua is close to being the other one.
You guys can stop futzing around and promising stuff that has yet to come and give us information, and confirm yourselves if possible. I'm not really interested in holding out for more empty promises.
If you guys have caught scum and can help contribute to the game, do it. I'm really not interested in excuses or anything else.
Look mate... I already told you that Mastin should be here with info. Just chill. If she did what she said she was doing last night, we should have at least one scum and possibly a 2nd scum or can conftown another person. I'm not sure why you have to be so impatient. We told you that we needed Mastin's results and you keep on pressing and trying to throw doubt on ZZZX and I for no apparent reason.
Just because you got mod flipped and then resurrected doesn't mean you have the game any more figured out than the rest of us. So stop with your sudden "I am the only conftown so I can be a jerk and people can deal with it" crap. You know that Mastin has issues and isn't around much on the weekends, but you're being a total dick because weFREAKING NEED MASTIN'S RESULTS BEFORE WE CAN TELL YOU THEM.-
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There are extremely good reasons for ZZZX and I to keep some things to ourselves and keep the scum guessing. I'm completely convinced that Mastin is town and I've got really solid reasons why I'm convinced. If the night happened the way it appears to, then our plan will finally bear the fruits it is meant to. After that, once we've given out the stuff we haven't talked about, it will take help to keep our particular combination of abilities in play, but it will be worth the effort.
I recently learned what the Amished tell is, so while I'm aware that I'm "giving" it here, let me say that I'm not just blindly doing what my slot's predecessor did. I read through the neighborhood and I read through the game (my GOD that was a horrible experience). I made a decision for myself to trust my neighbors based upon {stuff} and I'm just asking you to reserve judgment on ZZZX and I until we actually explain what we've been up to. It was Mastin's idea, and it's really quite clever and I have very strong reasons for believing that it likely pays its dividends today.
Now might be a really good time to place bets on who tried to kill Imperium. Also, I am interested in your actual reads Imperium, since you are literally 100% mod confirmed town. That doesn't make you right, but it does mean you don't have some scum agenda. I'd really like just like a sentence or two from you guys on what you think. For example, I basically put the hardcore lurkers from yesterday into my probtown pile because the scum team took heavy losses early on in this game and would need to avoid being singled out for being lurksacks. My thinking isn't nearly as trustworthy as yours at the moment though, so I'm interested in what you two think.-
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I knew Mastin had Bees on Imperium and was expecting us to get the killer, but the interplay of abilities requires a whiteboard and several minutes at this point to try and keep straight.
We now have Vezok popping up in a couple places that don't make sense. I've thought about it for the last few minutes and nothing occurs to me that explains the info we got today. I'm biased because I've had a gut scum on Vezok for the last couple weeks real time. Can someone who doesn't have a strong read either way maybe look at the info and try and make sense of it? Like ... Vezok being scum could maybe explain it, but I'm trying to figure out how Vezok targeting Skybird but not killing him also results in Vezok with the bees? My best theory (again, biased by my gut scum read on him) is that he used an ability and also performed the kill?
I'm off to get some sleep. Hopefully this will make more sense in the morning.
P-Edit: Ahh ... Mastin has more. Mastin ... care to share in the neighborhood? I'll check after I brush and floss and such. Curiosity is killing the Drixx.-
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In post 9098, ooba wrote:In post 9092, mastin2 wrote:So.
I went into night knowing my investigation was 90% likely to be worthless.
Today makes it 100%.
Yesterday, I had bees on Imperium, soyeah.
Lol. This is funny.
Not really. ZZZX and I knew that already which is why I was hopeful we would have caught the killer in the act. I'm not sure what Mastin still has up that sleeve though and it's time for bed. Perhaps my hopes aren't dashed after all?-
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In post 9124, Imperium wrote:Yeah, as far as I understand you have to have bees to give bees.
Do bees ever leave?
Those given bees through whatever means: zzzx, mastin, tso, magua, us.
So, in order for vezok to have bees, one of those five people had to target vezok.
Lol wasn't us, look at our role pm.
As far as I understand them (Mastin can confirm), the Bees have to be wiped by a special ability (this the previously pointed to Bees that got taken off).
Mastin has to target during the day, so maybe give her a little slack on the "Mastin is the worst ever blah blah blah" crap please?
I'm gonna give out a little more info, and my neighbors might be irritated but it should still be pretty WIFOM enough not to screw us.
One of ZZZX and Myself can provide immunity or reflectiveness, at will. It is not the ultimate of whichever of us can do that.
One of ZZZX and Myself can super hammer (Vig on steroids; cannot be blocked, redirected, stopped or undone like last night's kill was) someone. Thisisan ultimate which has had it's necessary condition met since the 2nd day and cannot be unmet at this point. It's also re-useable but has a short cool down because of what it is and what it takes to use it.
So the plan is for Mastin to keep on spreading the bees around to people who (at the time) seem like good targets. Hindsight bias has made you all criticize her choices but they were all pretty sound at the time they were made, for various reasons which will be clear if you all read our neighborhood chat after the game. ZZZX and I, by our powers combined, keep the group together and will execute scum with extreme, lasting and unstoppable prejudice.
That's the plan, in basic for, without detailing the actual abilities ZZZX and I have (aside from the icing on the cake one which is now unstoppable unless scum can figure out how to get the right one of us without reflecting a kill onto themselves or just fizzling their shot, LOL). Once we have a guilty and we pull off the super vig, I expect we can do a full ability claim if the demonstration of my truthfulness isn't enough, as the game is starting to stretch into late game territory and I'm not sure we'll get to use the ability twice. Scum are gonna be after us now already since I talked about it, but I'm kind of not okay with people bashing Mastin when she took our basic skills and realized we had a foolproof way to win the game if we could trust each other and stay the course. The early part of the game was spent confirming each other, sadly.
I mean, in hindsight it's easy to see why we trust each other, and I replaced into the gamestate with the work which resulted in that already accomplished, but it would be nice to have those particular actions back and we might have already demonstrated everything I just talked about and we could theoretically even have met the recharge and be ready to fire again.
So you can bitch at us for being secretive if you really want to. You can pile on Mastin because she made choices which both ZZZX and I agreed with (so pile on all three of us please), if you want. But really, what this comes down to is this:
1.) If you think there are scum among the three of us, then we have to all be scum. This is true because the early time in the game was used to confirm each other via bees (and something else which we won't be sharing until the game is over, because we're paranoid it might be a clue that could let scum get mastin instead of killing themselves, and that would just not be worth any amount of people reading us slightly more townie).
2.) We've already given out enough info that it makes it considerably harder for us to catch scum in the act. I am personally of the opinion that we've already hampered scum's ability to act with our actions, now that they know about the bees. It would have been way cooler if we could have kept the bees and how they work secret because there could be scum with bees that are just unable to act but being town read or something.
2a.) Of course, in the case of scum who are constrained ... as long as Mastin stays alive, and we kill more scum, eventually they will be forced to act and Mastin will know and then we win. So there's that.
Long, stream of consciousness style post. I know it's a wall. Sorry. Just super irritated at the barbs being lobbed at Mastin. She, ZZZX and I have done this together as a group. We all weigh in on each other's choices. If you want to criticize, then you criticize us all.
Now ... get your petty sniping over with and let's get some scum killed. I see there's some request to trust and vote TSO? Do we have some reason to be really sure about that?-
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