SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[ooba]

So.
I went into night knowing my investigation was 90% likely to be worthless.
Today makes it 100%.

Yesterday, I had bees on Imperium, soyeah.

Lol. This is funny.

Not really. ZZZX and I knew that already which is why I was hopeful we would have caught the killer in the act. I'm not sure what Mastin still has up that sleeve though and it's time for bed. Perhaps my hopes aren't dashed after all?

I didn't say it was scummy. Just extremely funny to me.

I'll explain later when the time is right.

[ooba]

Mastin has made quite possibly the worst night choices in the history of mafia

It's something we all are guilty of - from time to time.

ooba! Are you town?

Yes I'm town.

[ooba]

why do you find issues with my play even after I dayvigged scum?

I saw a Third-party possibility and thought it was worth stating for town .

Also
- I haven't voted you
- I haven't pushed you
ever since you vigged Pere. And you've been at the top of my town charts (as a 'Town equivalent') every since.

Since your vig, I always have and still do think you're a racist. However, I'm not interested in you since I have scum to fry.

[ooba]

town:

Mnemonic
Otolia

huh?

(Also, stuff like this makes me not want to lynch TWIE. Justsaying.)

I read this wrong the first time I saw it.

Not want to lynch? 'Whys this person in the 'conf town' list?' is usually a scum tell in my experience - especially when it seems like town can just win through PoE.

[ooba]

VOTE: TSO

Please can everyone sheep this, all will be revealed on day 6.

For my man FourTrouble, anything.

Vote: TSO

[ooba]

One of ZZZX and Myself can super hammer (Vig on steroids; cannot be blocked, redirected, stopped or undone like last night's kill was) someone. This

is

an ultimate which has had it's necessary condition met since the 2nd day and cannot be unmet at this point. It's also re-useable but has a short cool down because of what it is and what it takes to use it.

Why did you guys use this?

[ooba]

*didn't

[ooba]

Ooba - I noticed we were only dead for three minutes. Did you have to submit our name before night was over? How did you guess we would die if so.,

I was online at that time. I sent Dram a PM immediately after I saw your flip.

VOTE: TSO

Please can everyone sheep this, all will be revealed on day 6.

We know you get a vig shot when TSO is lynched.

That's not a particularly pressing reason to lynch TSO at this point.

Lol - Ollie - please tell me this is not the reason you wanted us to vote TSO.

Unvote

[ooba]

vote: otolia

Shoot TWIE.

[ooba]

See, I have the opposite viewpoint of you. People who lurk / are inactive after scum take a bruising I feel are more likely to be scum, not less.

I agree.

See: TSO and Ace-slot.

I have to disagree on both these shots.

TSO is town who simply doesn't care anymore.
Ace is the scum mislynch-misshot slot etc. etc.

[ooba]

Sure.

Then who's scum?

TWIE and...?

If TWIE is scum...

These three slots aren’t scum:
- Otolia
- Mnemonic
- TSO

One of the ‘scum?’ reads in his scum list is scum
- Esp
- Drixx
-

Heartless

And I’d say it’s Esp

[ooba]

And if TWIE is not scum, ooba?

It's much easier to analyze "If scum, then" to work out alignments of people who said scum had interactions with.

"If town, then" doesn't lead to categorical statements like that. It's just another strike in the PoE list and I'd have to re-evaluate.

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True.

And if TWIE is the scum-designated mislynch / misvig you're claiming Otolia is, then what?

Like I said, it's not cut and dried like a scum flip. Town and scum can push other town. Then I'll have to look back at reasoning\positions and decide if anything's scummy.

[ooba]

might as well get imperium to use her ulti tonight just to be 100% sure

Already used on N1.

My three names: TWIE, Espeonage, ZeL.

TWIE's way ahead of the other two in suspicious-ness for me. Also don't do an average of three-name-list every town member gives you etc. - I don't think that'll end with a good target.

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@Ooba:

Humor me.

TWIE is shot, flips town.

Who should we lynch?

Espeonage.

[ooba]

My three names: TWIE, Espeonage, ZeL.

TWIE's way ahead of the other two in suspicious-ness for me. Also don't do an average of three-name-list every town member gives you etc. - I don't think that'll end with a good target.

Ideally vezok would have one of the three names - but you've already stated that you're not going to shoot him.

[ooba]

Ooba, do you think Skybird is town?

Yes.

[ooba]

I was going to add 'Most definitely' - then realised I didn't feel as strongly to write that.

[ooba]

You're asserting TSO town because...?

Would you believe he's at the "not even trying" levels = town?

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@Ollie: Anything for your slot.

Vote: TSO

Is this a good thing even if he's town? Or are you hinting that you have some info implying he's not?

[ooba]

Hello - RL has caught up with me. Expect a post in about 24 hours.

MS - I hope you've shot someone by then.

[ooba]

MS - TWIE all the way!

^Is that finally you admitting to "Racist who wins with the town?" - good.

[ooba]

Why did we lynch someone before MS took his shot?

[ooba]

Farside-slot was never a scum slot and was never a good shot.

I was going to echo this - but MS's reasoning based on the ult role cop seems plausible.

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Going to read back claims whatever etc. - brb

[ooba]

Just throwing these out there because I like randomly quoting things and not leaving any comments on them.

AngryPidgeon

(11): theaceofspades, Magua, ooba, Vezokpiraka,

Rachmarie

,

Ankamius

,

TSO

, Skybird,

Heartless

,

Imperium

,

The Mask

Ankamius

(9): Ooba,

Mastin2

,

Heartless

, Metal Sonic, VezokPiraka, Magua, Fourtrouble, Drixx,

Ankamius

What I get from this is we should have lynched vezo like eons ago.

Also, TWIE, I apologize for scum reading you. You've also reached "Doesn't care enough to be scum" levels of posting.

[ooba]

Metal Sonic -
Skybird -
Otolia -
TheWayItEnds -
Zel1nk -
Ooba -
ZZZX -
Magua -
vezokpiraka - TWIE (mark undecided)
Espeonage -
Drixx -
Imperium -

shoot vezok.

I agree with this. Shoot Vezok. Ideally he should be lynched - but that's not happening here - so it's really upto you to kill that scum slot.

Also don't have anybody particularly for the other thing (since I'd like to see the vezok flip first) - I'll spend that for an "Don't shoot" on TWIE.

[ooba]

For those who are questioning me:

- I didn't really need the resurrect for 'Town cred'
- There's a reason why the slots who've played with me extensively before (Andrius, Heartless, Imperium) town read me. They've seen my town and scum games and both are polar opposites.

- Regarding the role being overpowered, you have to note that
a) It is my ultimate
b) It is the only useful element in my role
c) There was a conditional part to it as to who I could ressurect and WHEN it could be used
I'm glad I didn't die before I got to use it. When I got my role, I realised that it was swingy - and it would be a huge boost to town if I could just survive and use it.

Thirdly, to reinforce the fact that I didn't need the 'cred' - here's a quote from Mastin.

To be honest, I don't think we're getting ooba lynched without a guilty; too many defenders.

Also, at the very least, I would have waited for his result as scum before using the resurrect on Imperium.

ooba-scum: "Hey, I resurrected Imperium"
Mastin: "I've got a guilty on ooba"
ooba-scum: "Oops"
Gets lynched after reviving a strong town power and player.

[ooba]

Regarding the game itself, I don't have particularly very strong scum reads that I want to push. Usually, I like re-reading the game multiple times to get context and try and figure out scum - but the post count in this one has spiralled way beyond control.

I'm still confident on some town reads in the 'suspect' list though
- I still maintain that AceofSpades doesn't look like scum and is a bad lynch.
- MS is *at most* third party - I'm not sure why everyone is on his case

I think the MS suspicion is partly because everyone is at the "we're wrong about one of the confirmed or semi confirmed town roles" stage. Why not the claimed doctor\whatever who's been alive for 4 nights?

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I'll be here since I don't see scum shooting me over the other more powerful roles - but this town really doesn't need me.

I'm confident in whatever plans Magua\Imperium come up with to win.

[ooba]

I still maintain that AceofSpades doesn't look like scum and is a bad lynch.

why? i rolecopped him and my result contradicts his roleclaim.

he evidently lied about being a doublevoter, and he also intentionally omitteed the fact that hes a reflexive roleblocker

These were the reasons I had.

Could you link to your claim and his response?

[ooba]

Lol. I was trying to find to his response and he just disappeared.

Seems like a pretty open and shut case.

[ooba]

Lol. I was trying to find to his response and he just disappeared.

Seems like a pretty open and shut case.

what do you mean by this?

Otolia never responded.

Just got that Stabulous replaced him. Reading his responses.

[ooba]

Lol. I was trying to find to his response and he just disappeared.

Seems like a pretty open and shut case.

yeah, he replaced out. he LATER added the part that he was a reflective roleblocker -- only after i pointed it out; I got my hoodmates to rolefish him a bit but he didnt offer that part -- but obviously he couldn't retract the doublevoter claim cause it would be instant death

now it is just delayed death

Yeah. Definitely worth lynching.

Looks like Ot claimed a fake-claim town version of his scum role.

[ooba]

My ult Ring of Spears is the double-voting and resource harvester.

Ring of Spears also seems to have zero correlation with Mafia ability text description or smite ability.

http://smite.gamepedia.com/Odin

[ooba]

Ring of Spears

Odin summons a wall of spears that blocks his and enemy movement, but allies may move freely through. It does not block attacks. Enemies inside the ring have their attack speed lowered, and are unable to heal. Odin is immune to Slow and Root effects while in his Ring.


i read roleblocker right here

Yes - but he claimed the role blocker thing was part of his BP Ravens ability - not the ultimate. So contradiction.

^pedit: Zel, here you go:
http://smite.gamepedia.com/Zhong_Kui

[ooba]

^pedit: Zel, here you go:
http://smite.gamepedia.com/Zhong_Kui

This was way back before he claimed multiple abilities - so probably wrong.

[ooba]

I'd actually be happy if everyone flavor claimed!

I'm the real scum hunting God!

Spoiler: Role Image

[ooba]

I can't find that god in the smite wiki

ZeL, you're just lying about my claim now. Go read my ISO and check your facts. There is no contradiction and no lying (by omission or otherwise) by me or dramonic.

[ooba]

I am very, very, very "meh" on vezokpiraka dying before Metal.

Magua, Vezok could have just protected MS on N2\N3 for tracker-fear and other possible reasons.

MS, has been fairly town. Shooting PV. Even the Otalia suspicion on role based reasons seems to be townish.

If we are going to lynch\vig from the 'have done things that can be considered townie' category - then vezok should die long before MS ever does.

[ooba]

Second, I'm not going to move however many votes Otolia has right now to an unsuspecting person.

That wouldn't be right.

Switch votes from Otolia to anybody. People will vote Otolia right after that.

Making you waste the ultimate is smart play and not a trust based thing. The utility from that ultimate won't help town much if you're order - but hurts us hugely late game if you're scum.

[ooba]

Fine. I'll go change my pm to Dram and switch the votes to you Ooba.

Cool. Also just saw Ot's at L-2.

Might be worth unvoting so that hidden 'double vote hammer' or other such scum doesn't auto lynch me.

[ooba]

Mark Espeonage.

I'm actually thinking Esp would make a much better lynch than Ot today.

[ooba]

Imperium, you spent time with Esp.

What do you think about that slot?

[ooba]

Updated Plan with Drixx's ability explained:

Town lynches Otolia
Ollie shoots Espeonage
Snowflake protects Imperium
Ollie submits mark on Metal Sonic (who Drixx will super hammer tomorrow)
ZZZX protects whoever
Vezok protects Imperium

Was just going through the plan - disagree with an MS mark.

[ooba]

Mark Espeonage.

I'm actually thinking Esp would make a much better lynch than Ot today.

Espeonage is getting shot tonight.
Is there a reason why this isn't a good idea?

If vezok (or any of the other protective\stopper roles) are scum with Esp - it would be easy to block that kill, wouldn't it?

[ooba]

Updated Plan with Drixx's ability explained:

Town lynches Otolia
Ollie shoots Espeonage
Snowflake protects Imperium
Ollie submits mark on Metal Sonic (who Drixx will super hammer tomorrow)
ZZZX protects whoever
Vezok protects Imperium

Was just going through the plan - disagree with an MS mark.

Why?

Because he's town.

[ooba]

This isn't necessarily a significant risk.

It isn't - but I think I can reduce the risk of scum protecting scum.

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I would mark vezok - with the condition that we re-evaluate after Ot flips. I for one, wouldn't want to lynch(mark) vezok if Ot is scum.

[ooba]

Who would be your alternative to vezok?

Well Esp - but he's going to get shot.

I'm hard pressed to come up with a third since I feel ok-about most other slots.

[ooba]

But, if forced to choose, who would you choose?

Drixx

[ooba]

I think this is a good time to re-visit neighbourhoods

CHINESE :

Metal

, Skybird, TWIE
NORSE:

The Mask

, Ace,

AP

MAYAN: Xombie, ZZZX,

Mastin

ROMAN:

Imperium

,

Solar

, Bitmap, TD
HINDU:

Pere

,

Farside

,

FT,

Anamikus

GREEK: Magua, Vezo,

Beast

,

TSO

EGYPTIAN:

ooba

,

ceph

,

heartless

,

andy

Revisited the MS wagon before he took his shot.

Metal Sonic (7): Heartless, The Mask, Cephrir, PeregrineV, Skybird, TSO, TiphaineDeath

Unless scum gambited for MS to kill both their mass role blocker and block their Joat for N2 for a *hopeful* dream that MS survives till the end, he is town.

[ooba]

Otolia flipping town pretty heavily implies that there's at least one scum in a three person neighborhood (Skybird, TWIE, Drixx, ZZZX). Why Drixx?

The claiming yesterday + mastin dying + 'I shouldn't have claimed yesterday - that's why mastin died' - just gave me odd vibes.

Mastin clearing peeps was a genuine threat - because town would just win by PoE if that continued.

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Also, MS protecting vezok on N3 might point towards a town vezok.

[ooba]

@Magua
"I am 99.98% that there is scum in the Chinese neighborhood: (Metal Sonic, Skybird, TWIE). Do you agree?"
Not too sure here

"I feel much, much, much stronger about Chinese-scum being Metal Sonic than either Skybird or TWIE. Do you agree? If you don't, who do you think scum is?"
I think there's a good chance all three are town

"I am 99.98% that there is scum in either the Greek neighborhood (vezokpiraka) and/or Roman (Espeonage, Zelink). Do you agree?"
Definitely

If Otolia is town, think Ollie is scum.

FT cannot be scum!

[ooba]

ooba.

capcom chaos.

same situation. only vigs killed scum. eventually revealed that scum won because strongest scumteam ever -- nacho+ wisdom with mollietammy and broseidon and adork and someone else


i want to look at "obvtown" now

kill otolia first

Shos was the other one.

Also, I really haven't had the same confidence in reads this game because I haven't re-read the thread. I tried but stopped at Page 150-ish.

Anyway I won't be in the game for much longer. I'll be able to talk to one person via a QT after I'm dead - but that's it.

This is the cost of world weaving Imperium - I die after 4 phases.

@Magua: Try for the other two(?) scum even before you go after MS.
@Imperium: Don't go after FT.

[ooba]

Vote: Otolia

Unravel: Imperium

This will reveal all people who targeted Imperium tomorrow morning. At least this makes sure people stick to the plan.

Good luck!

[ooba]

Vig killing pikari would be a silly idea IMO

He claims he can self-protect anyway

He would be caught out by the unravel. Lynch anybody who doesn't follow the plan.

[ooba]

Vote: Otolia

Unravel: Imperium

This will reveal all people who targeted Imperium tomorrow morning. At least this makes sure people stick to the plan.

Good luck!

[ooba]

Oh. Then 6.

So L-1.

By the way, ooba, does 4 phases mean you would die at the end of tomorrow or the end of tonight?

End of tonight. D5,N5,D6,N6

Also asked dram if it can be avoided by a 'vaniziling', protection or other roles - he said no way to avoid it. So don't waste abilities on me.

[ooba]

Maybe someone will revive you!

Lol. That would be most broken game ever. I revive the reviver who revives me.

Spoiler: Plot Twist

The other reviver is scum and he wins in endgame

[ooba]

ZZZX, please claim your character name.

Also, I obviously died about dying yesterday.

[ooba]

*lied

[ooba]

and about your ability?

Which one?

The revive? It is my ultimate and the only cost to it is that I lose the ability once I use it.

[ooba]

the list of shit we were supposed to get i assume you made up?

Oh. Lol.

I just made that up to make sure scum are incentivised to stick to the plan - I didn't want Vezo to use the role-stopper on himself so that I can target him with my ability if needed.

However, I didn't expect Otalia to flip scum at that time.

[ooba]

I should have rechecked my tables.

Ollie, what's your character name?

[ooba]

Ollie, what's your character name?

Sorry - ignore this. I was right the first time. You don't have to claim.

ZZZX, your character name please.

[ooba]

And I hate vezok play so much I am about to vote him..

i want this day to end. I will sheep mastin.

VOTE: Otolia.

UNVOTE:
I somewhat agree with vezok here.

Strong paranoia on vezok. But willing to unvote somebody that said slot reads as town.

This game is a lot of town posting and infighting. I got a hunch to the last scum yesterday after the flip and in my pm to dram - I said if the last scum is zzzx and espeonage - then its the saddest scum team play\showing apart from Cephrir. Esp barely played - so did ZZZX.

Also in vanilla nightless team mafia that just ended, zzzx suspected zar scum on day four for Lurking hard. This might be a case of him projecting his own current scum game for scumhunting.

So I have something to reveal. I just need zzzx to claim before then. Lets wait for him.

[ooba]

Also in the previous set of posts that I quoted
a) zzzx barely played the game
b) Mastin who was "confirmed" town to him and a pivotal figure wanted the otalia lynch
Yet he manages to get a town read on Otalia strong enough to unvote.

[ooba]

Ok. So I was looking through the list of flips\gods page yesterday night and something struck me:

http://smite.gamepedia.com/List_of_gods

PeregrineV [KUMBHAKARNA, THE SLEEPING GIANT], Mass Blocker Princess -

GUARDIAN

Cephrir (Originally Flames) [SERQET, GODDESS OF VENOM] -

ASSASIN

Otolia (Originally TAoS) [ODIN, THE ALLFATHER] -

WARRIOR

And I'm thinking probably two scum left - two classes left - MAGE, HUNTER.

I had a nifty table that i complied (Roles and Pantheons) - but somebody took my laptop. (Marriage function so lots of kids playing on it)

From memory,the only MAGE possibilities were MS, Zel and Esp. There were no HUNTER possibilities except the unclaimed. I had ZZZX as the only unclaimed. (Missed Ollie but there's only one Hunter in the Hindu pantheon who already flipped)

Janus flipping MAGE scum was nice - but just serves to confirm my theory.

tl;dr:

The last scum is possibility Hunter from this page. Somebody is lying about their character:
http://smite.gamepedia.com/List_of_gods

- The romans and Hindus are cleared since there are only one Hunter god in that pantheon. But not really necessary as Imperium and Ollie are conf town.
- I am the last Egyptian, and I am a hunter (Neith) - but I'm hardly going to bring this up as scum.
- All norse flipped

So its either Hon Yi (Chinese), Xbalanque (Mayan), Apollo, Artemis, Medusa (Greek).

Magua I think is not the last scum for three reasons:
- We were extremely unlucky in cop investigations here
- The early claim of hated.
- The trajectory of reads (esp. I can't believe Otalia flipped scum) synchronize a lot with mine.

Also I believe dram did go one scum in each panthoen and said 'I don't make broken\verifiable setups' as the ultimate double trap. (Since we would go 'There's at least one pantheon with two scum')

I thought the Mayan Xbalanque was a good fit for unclaimed ZZZX scum yesterday night. Especially with "Dead of Night" - "Any enemy gods that Xbalanque kills increases his physical power permanently." seeming to directly lend itself to a scum ability.

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@ZZZX: Why would you have an ability with the words "Investigtion Immunity" as Cabrakan?

[ooba]

Also I believe dram did go one scum in each panthoen and said 'I don't make broken\verifiable setups' as the ultimate double trap. (Since we would go 'There's at least one pantheon with two scum')

Ignore this for Magua.

For some reason, I thought otalia was Greek. Other points in his favor still stand though.

[ooba]

It's probably as productive as mine was ... it may be interesting after the game to see if any part of SMITE actually impacted the setup, aside from the names of the deities and their abilities giving a general "theme" to the powers. The fact that ooba's speculation has a WiFoM loop in it is proof that he ended up in the same place as me when thinking about it. There's just too many possibilities and the most likely one is that Deity flavor and neighborhood composition aren't useful for solving the game.

Ridiculous.

SMITE has five member teams like most MOBAS.

You cannot look at four scum flipping four different classes in the game and not think the last (?) one will flip Hunter.

@MS: if ZZZX can explain why he has "investigation immune" (paraphrased) in his role PM, i would rather go after drixx.

[ooba]

So if I read zzzx claim right, the ability I targeted on him hit vezok yesterday night?

[ooba]

VOTE: TWIE

No unless he's also a godfather.

[ooba]

Ill just go ahead and full claim right now.

I'm Neith.

My ability is Unravel - I can target a person each night and find out if they're order aligned or not.

N1 - House\Magua - Order Aligned
N2 - Imperium - Order Aligned
N3 - Espeonage - No result
N4 - Vezok - no result
N5 - TWIE - Order Aligned
N6 - ZZZX - Order Aligned

My ultimate is World Weaver. Revive a player that I previously 'unravel'ed. The cost is obviously that I lose the ability.

M unravel targets the first few days were townie slots that had good chances of dying - also benefit of removing paranoia from a slot for me.

N3 onwards started moving towards scummy targets to get a guilty. Unfortunately, between Imps block and MS block - I didn't get results for two nights.

D6 I really wanted to target vezok before the flip. Hence the lies. The flip changed that since I didn't view vezok as scum with Otalia.

I noticed the 5 SMITE game roles = 5 scum thing when I was looking into 'What connects Kumnaharna, Serquet and Odin - who else could be scum flavor wise'.

ZZZX made sense as the only Hunter scum.

His ISO revealed possible Otalia connection (as pointed out before). His ISO also DOESNT contain any Espeonage pushes - so I had Esp as the Mage scum from {Zel, MS, Esp}.

The result of order aligned D7 obviously confused me since I was sure ZZZX was scum (Esp since I was right about Espeonage). But now is clear that I targeted Vezok and not ZZZX yesterday night.

[ooba]

EBWOP

VOTE: TWIE

No unless he's

also

a godfather.

Busy two days ahead - so V\LA

[ooba]

Also, I really think we should look at Mayan before Chinese - because there's NO way scum hit mastin that night without inside knowledge of that PT. So unless someone wants to suggest scum-PT-snoop role, Drixx or ZZZX is scum.

[ooba]

Last night I protected with my ulti drixx/magua. redirected to vezok

this is pretty simple straight forward english, I am resisitng voting you right now and giving you the benefiet of just being "not paying enought attention"

So go ahead and vote me.

I'm just claimed a cop type role who got a innocent on a slot, yet still pushes the slot - so go figure the scum motivation for that. Also the case on you is not just lurking. You e straight out ignored the vezok point.

Add : Zero paranoia on the drixx slot. Even after scum shot mastin on the night that only three people in the game knew it was a safe shot. Mastin, zzzx, drixx.

Ill even go ahead and say he's going to flip Xabalanquc or whatever that Mayan hunter is called. Kill one gives him bulletproof. Kill two gives him investigation immunity or something on those lines.

[ooba]

Prod dodge.

I still think ZZZX is a good lynch (even with the result).

I will go through other ISOs and see if there's anything there..

[ooba]

I *really* cannot see scum declaring third party in neighbourhood D1.

[ooba]

So, when I said I was Ares, that was a lie. I'm Artemis, and I'm responsible for the brambles.

I have a Night action, and the results of that Night action do not line up with what ZZZX has claimed on at least one Night. Despite this, I'm not wanting to lynch ZZZX today.

That's the extent of the information that is useful to the town, and the extent of what I'm claiming.

I feel much better about you after this. I did have you as the only possible 'brambles' 'Hunter' character since Mayan Xbal didn't fit.

So it boils down to two people who I have an innocent on and Skybird.

I'd be very hard pressed to think any of the following are scum: MS, Magua, Ollie, Drixx

[ooba]

Skybird scum reads Ace for most of D1.

When it comes to voting close to deadline, he still scum reads 'Ace'. Yet, he proceeds to vote beast who didn't have a single vote on him as opposed to ace who had 6 votes.

His ace scum read is never mentioned D1 again. (All the while, ace is the leading wagon)

Farside, I know you are voting Ace right now, but what do you think of beast? I just read through his ISO and I'm leaning scum on him. I'm also leaning scum on Ace and trying to figure out who to vote between the two.

Knowing that the deadline is closing in, I wanted to get an updated/more complete reads list out here. I'm still missing 8 or 9 players and will get to them as soon as I can. RL commitments will have me constrained for the next few days.

Town: FourTrouble, Farside, Imperium, ooba,
Leaning Town: Ankamius, SolarWind, PV
Null: House (leaning town), ZZZX
Leaning Scum: Beast, Ace, Cephrir, Mastin
Out for the Day: Metal Sonic and bitmap

Reasons for the reads

Spoiler:

I’ve re-read FourTrouble’s and Ankamius’ ISOs. I feel good calling FourTrouble town for his questions and engaging others. I’m leaning town on Ankamius. At the beginning of the game he felt scummy, mostly for not wanting to read and his posts complaining about amount of posts to go through. But after that he starts interacting more and his posts read more townish.

I’m still leaning scum on Ace. I re-read his ISO and there’s very little engagement. Granted he has spent a large part of this day defending himself from the plural neighborhoods comment but he only gives one or two reads on people in all this time.

ZZZX is null. His ISO contains a couple of comments in some posts and promises to read and post more tomorrow. I could lynch him if we can’t agree on someone I feel is more scummy.

Ooba’s ISO shows someone who is engaged and actively trying to figure out the game. He provides reads on players and some reasons. I feel he is town.

PV hasn’t posted much but what he has posted so far feels town to me. This is more of a meta read based on the one game we played together.

Votecount 18: Mostly isn't

Theaceofspades (6): AngryPidgeon, vezokpiraka, xombie, PeregrineV, Rachmarie, Farside22
FourTrouble (3): The Mask, Aeronaut
TiphaineDeath (2): Cephrir, Mastin2
AngryPidgeon (2): theaceofspades, Ooba
Cephrir (2): TiphaineDeath, FourTrouble
Mastin2 (1): Imperium
House (0): beastcharizard
Aeronaut (0): House

Not voting: ZZZX, Solar Wind, VysePresident, TSO, Ankamius, skybird


Reminder that it's 12 to lynch and not 13.

Deadline is 70 hours!

After reading the posts from yesterday, I don't want to lynch either Cephrir or Mastin2 today. I want to add TSO and AP to my town list. These are both gut feelings after reading their ISO's.

VOTE: Beast

[ooba]

Ooba, what do you think about ZZZX?

I had a huge post but it ate it up.

I'd lynch ZZZX even with the innocent. This is my current order:

Skybird

ZZZX
- Lurker-ish\Useless like other scum and ISO has traces of 'could be scum'

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TWIE
- Order aligned result. Haven't ISO'd yet

Drixx
- Unlikely to be scum. In a game where scum don't seem to have fake claims - I don't see one claiming early D1. Only scum if 6 scum and ZZZX is scum too.

Magua
- Play
- Timing of Artemis claim

MS
- Vigging PV
- Claim led to Ot's lynch

Ollie
- Ceph's kill alone should put this slot in conf town category. Esp's kill is a bonus.

Imperium

[ooba]

Magua. Do you plan to push zzzx or not?

I won't vote skybird on principle if a wagon is formed on her. Punch me with a thousand fists if I'm wrong.

I too had a town read earlier.

The sudden disappearance of ace-suspicion D1 is sketchy. Skybird hasn't address that yet.

[ooba]

P-edit - Ooba, I haven't addressed it because every time I respond to something like that, I get accused of being defensive. If you look past D1, 5820 I state Ace is suspicious to me and in 8610 I vote for Ace.

Those two posts are 120 pages apart!

- You state 4 people are suspicious {Ace, beast, Ceph, mastin}
- You then state reasons why you don't want to lynch Ceph\mastin
- You then ignore Ace who is both the leading wagon and someone who you've maintained suspicion on from the start of the game

[ooba]

So what? Do you always pick one person in a large game to scum read and tunnel them until they are lynched/gone? No, you read the game and vote according to what you see. If I go through your ISO, did you scum read and vote Ace every day for the past 7 game days? If not, why hold me to a different standard?

Misrep.

You had two scum reads you wanted lynched on D1 fairly close to deadline.

One was at L-3 and the other did not have a single vote on them.

You ignored the former and voted the later.
Ace was scum and beast flipped town.

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(Finished my ISO of you)

On top of that
- A 'town read' on PV for meta reasons
- Keeping Ceph in the suspicion pile (Both D1,D2) but backing off when pressure increased on his slot on D1
- Barely mentioning Esp\Bitmap
- And only voting Ace\Ot 4 game days later AFTER MS claimed his role cop info

And I can see you as a potential scum partner to all these people.

@Drixx

, if you want to win the game - you need to storm call this slot today.

Vote: Skybird

[ooba]

I enjoyed this game - although I lost steam after all my egyptian buddies died (Ceph, Heartless, Andy).

Ollie and Drixx played really well. Congrats and good game!

I think town was pretty good too - just that the game went too long\too big for sustained effort.

My role mechanics were pretty nice.
- Most cops want guilties. But I needed a strong innocent for my super protect.
- I have to be really careful with bread crumbing info till I get the revive off.

Thanks Dram for game!