SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[T S O]

AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

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MY SKIN IS BURNING
SOMETHING'S HAPPENING
HELP ME

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OH MY FUCKING GOD SOMEONE SAVE ME
I NEED IT
GET IT NOW OR IT'LL BE TOO LATE

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I NEED IT
I NEED IT

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I NEED A DOLLAR

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A DOLLAR IS WHAT I NEED

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Cephrir, we're killing you tonight

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I don't think I have ever began to actively anti-wc troll before but if it's ever going to happen, this game's the game.

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You've been calling me scum for fucking days and ignoring me, as well as being a cunt to Falcon.

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Don't get me wrong, Falcon's done the same, but...

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VOTE: ft

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bomp

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falcon sure hates tammy

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Also, reported Cephrir. How dare you insult me.

[T S O]

I'm just kidding, Cephrir, I didn't report you, but if you ever address me like that again I'll chemically castrate you

[T S O]

Oh good.

I was worried without falcon we'd just go back to mundanely playing mafia.

Keep the dream alive!

insult people quick

[T S O]

twie how come we've both done nothing and everyone and their mother is scumreading me

and not you

[T S O]

His sarcasm is good but needs a dash of caustic.

[T S O]

TSO you'd better show him how it's done then.

Challenge accepted!

[T S O]

It's entirely possible he despises Cephrir so much he was willing to be lynched if he was wrong without necessarily scumreading Cephrir strongly.

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Which, honestly, is the explanation I plan to run with - it has clear motive and fits F-16's play pretty well this game.

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Metal Sonic, Skybird - your faith in me shall be rewarded when I come into my power.

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Oh, TWIE - you're toilet training him.

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Yeah if by that you mean "point towards your area of the house" I'm totally down.

I will have to erect fences and signposts if this happens, followed by spike pits and moats if I can upgrade the keep in time.

It's entirely possible he despises Cephrir so much he was willing to be lynched if he was wrong without necessarily scumreading Cephrir strongly.

So the tsundere theory?

That's so cute.

"F-f-fuck you Cephrir, you f-f-fucking asshole!"

Although tbh I'm a little disappointed he stuck with Pumbaa.

I think after 5893 I would have started rotating through the whole cast Lion King characters before sticking with like... Zazu or some shit.

Take note, Link - this is one grandmaster pointing you to another grandmaster explaining how to improve your game.

Never be content with what you've done so far. Always aim upwards.

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wow cephrir thank you for explaining your read on me after i asked you about 10 fucking times

well done warty

[T S O]

if you hijack my post again i'll cut you

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I'm trying to! Well, not really, but a little. The first course of action is determining why exactly people like Cephrir are scumreading me. Cephrir will ignore this too, but I can bitch about that, so it all serves a purpose.

[T S O]

That wasn't sarcasm?

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I just read everything you post as sarcasm.

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Yes, but look at my cute little grin and tousled hair. And childish green shirt. How could they possibly contain guilt?

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I don't think I -can- anymore. This game broke something fragile in me a while ago and I haven't been able to get it back since.

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I admire how you've pulled it off, however.

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I know, fuck Cephrir.

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VOTE: Cephrir

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It's not your fault.

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Is this why people seem to hate us?

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Like I can imagine certain people reading through this page disbelievingly at the utter lack of content. This has literally been the sum total of our contribution, except for me derailing a lynch on scum at deadline by accident.

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Wickedly good-looking, I'm told.

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I think FourTrouble is scum; I find it difficult to quantify, but my gut feels off. And, as a person who hates gut and lambasts it as the shitty response to a question it is, I feel your pain - but that's what it comes down to.

I cannot actually vote Cephrir today, but FT isn't going to happen.

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I may actually attempt to scumhunt sometime in the near future, and when it occurs, it shall be glorious.

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I actually quite agree with ZeL1nk here - everyone covering for each other here is complete nonsense. I don't see why we're trusting mastin's read on ZZZX, for example. mastin hasn't been a particular bastion of town this game.

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Spoiler alert: town blocs are sometimes formed including scumreads for good reasons.

Exactly.

I pretty sure there's a very good possibility that one scum is in my neighbourhood - I've even considered scenarios where two of them are. In all scenarios, if you shoot and shoot wrongly and hit town in my hood (esp. since you're calling me '100% scum') - you are actively hurting town's chances.

There are 1/2/3 scum outside my hood - aim for them.

You need to find the scum in your neighbourhood, then.

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My role is bizarre enough to make me think scum are probably extremely powerful - we should not be clearing them on power.

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Me and ZeL1nk have caused ~things~ to happen!

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It's not your fault.

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I can't tell who's the better comedian between ZZZX and Cephrir - the two of them are comedic geniuses and will go down in the Hall of Fame as aliens with advanced humour complexes which mere mortals like TWIE and I could not hope to compete against.

[T S O]

nah

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It's a pretty shitty idea for a variety of reasons. Mainly my role.

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I was just passively outlining how stupid an idea it is, really.

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You might not believe this, but my play hasn't been completely insipid because I don't give a shit. It's partly tactical.

You'll see.

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I would also be perfectly happy with a PV lynch.

As would I day2 or 3 or 4, depending on how night goes and if it can be managed right.

I would be okay with ZeL1nk being shot because of this - I don't like Pere's tone towards Tiphaine here. I think it's scum-scum.

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If you think TiphaineDeath/ZeL1nK are scum, why are you voting FourTrouble at this point?

I thought FourTrouble was also scum.

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But, I guess, I can do either.

UNVOTE: [/VOTE]
VOTE: ZeL1nk

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: ZeL1nk

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I would also be perfectly happy with a PV lynch.

As would I day2 or 3 or 4, depending on how night goes and if it can be managed right.

I would be okay with ZeL1nk being shot because of this - I don't like Pere's tone towards Tiphaine here. I think it's scum-scum.

Great analysis 10/10

Thanks, sweetheart, I thought you might be bitter with me, but it's nice to see you're not.

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yawn

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is anyone townreading magua??

ZeL1nk, give me a bit to answer.

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Ceph got mods?

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[vote[mastin2[/vote]

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kill yourself, votetags.

VOTE: mastin2

Sorry to hear you're struggling, but...

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I don't have a night action.

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I think mastin did get some sort of result due to mod response. I don't know how that reflects on his alignment.

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we're not having another day of no explanation

sorry

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yawn

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"Oh, TSO visited Sonic; wait, TSO did NOT visit Sonic, but I still think he did!!!"

[T S O]

Do you really think I'm going to claim?

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Meanwhile, the mastin-and-ZZZX show runs on for another day.

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Some of the reasoning for voting me is pretty pathetic. ZZZX has no idea what he's doing, but wants me to die so it can clear him. He has no reasons to why I should flip scum or anything.

[T S O]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Tammy thinks Nacho holds my ...balls in his hands? Nacho doesn't have a clue about this game, neither do you. I'm pretty clearly uninvested, but I'm also pretty clearly not scum from interactions with Cephrir and roleclaim.

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There are so many satirical comments I want to make about this game right now.

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If I get into LyLo, my role wins the game.

However, claiming it makes it useless.

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No, not really, it's not an auto-win.

However, it's a decently powerful role with a lot of LyLo utility.

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Why aren't you pressuring mastin?

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If you read page 3 of Cephrir's ISO some of those are pretty blatantly not scum-scum interactions.

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Pretty certain there's a lot of roles that win the game in lylo, barring other roles. Any of the vote manipulator ones, to start. Ozgin's would've.

Pretty certain scum have similar roles or counters.

wrong

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There are so many satirical comments I want to make about this game right now.

No, please, don't hold back on my account.

mastin: "Oh, I have a Tracker result! Oh wait, no I don't! But I think TSO still visited Metal Sonic because ???!!!"
TSO: "look we're not giving you and your neighbourhood another day to spin bullshit"
Imperium: "um it seemed like a good idea to me"

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Except I'm not faking knowledge I don't have and I'm not clearing multiple people based on information only I know. I'm also not incriminated by results on night 1.

[T S O]

Yeah, I'd better start faking knowledge I don't have. Got me there, Magua.

Why are your recent posts so stupid?

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Why aren't you pressuring mastin?

[T S O]

You lose arguments when you are talking to lesser people than you ...?

No, your response still doesn't make any sense.

[T S O]

So, if you're pressuring me, why are you pressuring mastin? Do you believe this is all a giant gambit?

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I'm also pretty clearly not scum from interactions with Cephrir and roleclaim.

Could you talk about this in more depth?

I know I'm essentially asking you to talk about why you're not scum with Cephrir, but since you brought it up, you should be able to point to the interactions you think make it unlikely.

I ask because I think the interactions make it look like you're scum together.

I expect this will be ignored like the rest of my questions to you, so I'm not expecting much here.

I might write a case detailing exactly why I think you're scum, but this only seems important if there are people who think it's possible you're town.

yawn

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I'm getting lynched at some stage anyway, why even continue pretending I care about this game?

ZeL1nk your wall was really tryhard. I didn't like it.

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"...and, no word of a lie, I told them I hadn't performed an action, but I'd still got a result, which turned out to be a not-result and they

actually believed me!

I swear! *thumps hand off desk, chuckles heartily* "

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"...and, no word of a lie, I told them I hadn't performed an action, but I'd still got a result, which turned out to be a not-result and they

actually believed me!

I swear! *thumps hand off desk, chuckles heartily* "

[T S O]

I loathe you all.

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"...and, no word of a lie, I told them I hadn't performed an action, but I'd still got a result, which turned out to be a not-result and they

actually believed me!

I swear! *thumps hand off desk, chuckles heartily* "

So... the mod error around the exact same time...
Just one of those crazy coincidences that totally has nothing to do with mastin's claim even though no one else claimed anything mod error-y around the same time and it happened in the middle of the day and didn't seem to affect anything else, right?

Let me be clear. I have no idea why the mod messaged mastin that I targeted Metal Sonic. It seems likely they did. This has killed any motivation I had to play due me becoming a de facto lynch soon, though that's gonna work out badly for y'all.


I just think mastin is lying about not submitting an action, etc.

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That's confirmation that I didn't fucking target mastin.

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*Metal Sonic.

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I have no idea why the mod sent that, but short of mastin having the capacity to make the mod intervene spontaneously, it appears to have happened. Frankly, it sucks balls.

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Your vig shot isn't going to go through, FourTrouble, but feel free to waste it anyway

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The game is quite clearly over - everyone believes it's Ankamius and TSO, therefore it's definitely Ankamius and TSO.

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Everyone else here is experienced enough to be wary of picking the fruit that is literally touching the ground.

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Also, you still lack both the clout and a certain kind of charisma needed for brute strength strongmanning.

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Don't be offended, my boy, I'm just telling you how it is.

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You seem to be doing your best to strongarm my lynch, with mediocre results.

I don't particularly understand why you think asking people to not look at Ankamius for (no reason) is going to do anything, but feel free to continue doing it.

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Skybird - it's an unpopular choice, but I've felt misgivings about Imperium all game.

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I love the avatar TSO. I'm guessing you'll recognize mine.

What self-respecting TLoZ fan wouldn't?

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Metal Sonic: Cephrir seems like the type to be dishonest about scumreads.
Cephrir: TSO is probably scum.
Metal Sonic: Thanks for telling us TSO is scum!

You can't just assume a premise and discard it in favour of your former theory.

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I'd also wager that Cephrir-scum felt confident there were no linking associative tells within the scumteam.

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Yeah, I read it, but it doesn't excuse the fact that that piece of analysis is wrong.

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Imperium, my apologies for bad arguments/bad play/bad effort - but no matter how well I play the-result-that-wasn't is going to loom over me and eventually get me hung. How could I motivate myself to effort after that?

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Tso needs to be lynched irregardless

Irregardless isn't a word.

But, while you're here - could you back this up? I might start actually playing this game after being subtly cajoled to do so.

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Like, actually back it up, don't just regurgitate nonsense.

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I'd love to know why mastin has "groundbreaking thoughts" on people's alignments, is saying me and Ank could be town, but we're great vig targets... as opposed to, y'know, her scumreads. Crazy thought, I know.

I also don't understand why these thoughts have to be shared in the neighbourhood and not here - but let's just chalk it down to "it's mastin" like she suggests. How logical of us.

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What danger is there?

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Like, you die, your neighbourhood gives them, you're not here to explain and help push them.
Or you give them now and we discuss them now.

Unless you feel ZZZX is more articulate than you I don't understand why you're choosing this path to take.

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I want answers or justice.

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Questions yesterday were never answered, I doubt they will be today either.

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I want to lynch TSO today (shock and awe as nobody saw this plot twist) but I have popcorn ready and waiting for mastin's

Big Reveal!

And when mastin inevitably has no reveal, you'll want to lynch me over her. Just like yesterday. A pretty happy set of circumstances, no?

[T S O]

It seems about a thousand times more likely he was shot by FourTrouble than shot by bad guys.

Where do you propose the scum kill went?

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If mastin claimed scum, posted her role PM word for word proving she was scum and the mod for some reason didn't mod kill her, I would still want to lynch you over her (even if you weren't one of the partners listed in her role PM).

That is how much I want to lynch you, TSO.

It's a pity people seem to be so blatantly ignoring you. It's almost like they think you're an imbecile or something. We are still friends, though.

I would rather not speculate on where the scum kill went, given there are many possibilities. It seems about as silly as me saying, "where do you propose FourTrouble's kill went?"

I don't see the bad guys killing Andrius. It's as simple as that.

So your only comment about the nightkill is "I don't think it was Andrius"? You have no theory, right or wrong, on who or where it actually went?

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there's also this

Ok, pissed off.

First you guys decide to lynch town, Andy and I were getting bloody pissed off and waiting until we could come back and get the hell rid of that wagon. Andy provided a compelling argument for why Ank was town and I accepted that.
Second you guys don't even let us do that. You go and bloody make the lynch when there is still ages on the clock and two people who have fucking opinions.
Thirdly, whoever the fuck shot Andy, and I doubt it was scum, needs to get their head out of their arse. Why the fuck would you shoot someone that had just spent two phases with someone to try and get a handle on the player. I was intending to come in here to a fucking happy place and be able to reign terror with Andy, and honestly a dead Andy is wind out of my sails.

Now mastin, fucking tell me something that can improve my mood or I will push Andy's number 1 wanted lynch in his honor.

when andy came back to tell us what he talked about, he did NOT leave us w/ the impression everything between him and esp were all buddy-buddy. i don't really buy into this "happy place" narrative esp has going on here.

While I do agree with this - what specifically sparked your urge to vote Imperium?

I've been getting that urge all game.

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The fact that you're oddly fixated on this doesn't surprise me, though, since you're attempting to cling to something that isn't important and use it as a way to appear like you're doing something. But alas, people will continue ignoring this and pretend you're not an incredibly obvious bad guy.

I think it incredibly lazy that you're willing to douse one theory while not offering your own, actually, but maybe incredibly lazy is just an issue with your playstyle rather than alignment-relevant. I do, however, find it amusing that you say I'm trying to "attempting to cling to something that isn't important". The reason we're having this discussion rather than another, more productive one is that when I asked you about your stances on mastin, which I'm definitely more interested in, you didn't actually reply to it. Hence, you chose what we'd discuss, not me.

But I'm sure you can twist your words to make it -my- fault you took up the less interesting discussion point - feel free to do so.

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I want to lynch TSO today (shock and awe as nobody saw this plot twist) but I have popcorn ready and waiting for mastin's

Big Reveal!

And when mastin inevitably has no reveal, you'll want to lynch me over her. Just like yesterday. A pretty happy set of circumstances, no?

This was me hoping you would respond to a question if it wasn't specifically highlighted with a question mark - I was crushed.

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A plague o' both your houses! I am sped.

I would ask you, for the millionth time, why, but I understand - you genuinely don't know why you're scumreading me. This isn't a dig at you - you put me as a scumread a long time ago, I called you out on it, you didn't want to lose face to people you respect by removing it, so it's sat there all this time. Stagnant.

[T S O]

(That was to Metal Sonic, no idea why I quoted Andrius. I did like his bah post, though.)

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FourTrouble, it won't work, but hold out on it anyway - there's still plenty of time.

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Vote: TSO

"why don't you play this game"
"oh you're playing"
"vote: tso"

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Vote: TSO

"why don't you play this game"
"oh you're playing"
"vote: tso"

I'm reading what you're saying. You haven't convinced me that you are town yet. I'm not going to treat you with kid gloves just because you're finally trying.

I'm not asking you to treat me with kid gloves? I'm saying that as far as I was aware your sole reason for voting me was me being lynchbait/inactive. Now that that's no longer the case, I have no idea why you're voting me anymore.

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So your entire reason for voting me is that I wanted TD to die over Pere when Pere was a completely null slot?

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why didn't you fucking confirm me

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*chuckles*

This game.

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This is incredibly frustrating.

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It's like everyone has suddenly been inflicted with a disease where they think I'm scum but not only can they not explain why, they're also convinced they

don't actually need to

because the only one who cares is me. It's like one of those studies in groupthink.

I'd point out that it's usually a bad sign when no-one can actually quantify why they're scumreading me, bar Imperium, who gave some nonsensical drivel, but the groupthink chariot drives on regardless of me pointing out all the holes in its wheels.

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Ah, ZeL1nk, your subpar play is a refreshing constant in this ever-changing game.

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I have to admit one of the people I'm most disappointed in is Heartless - I thought Anti's re-read might spark something but it appears he gave up on it. I understand you have no reason to back me, Anti, but nonetheless it's still disappointing.

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I've explained why multiple times. I could break down why again. And why your play today reads like desperate scum trying to avoid a lynch rather than town actually scum hunting. When I get to a PC later, maybe I will (yet again).

Yes, but it'll be moronic confbias drivel which even you know is false. You've just convinced yourself I'm scum and you're not willing to re-assess that because it's a lot of work for you.

Please excuse my subpar play, I am still learning the game and am nowhere near your level yet.

It's okay, you'll get there one day.

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I need a PC to properly express why everything you're saying feels awkward. I lack the dexterity to do it on a phone.

You lack the dexterity to do it anywhere, I'd wager, but feel free to try.

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My read on vezok: if mastin's telling the truth, which I really need to think about, your theory about neighbourhoods makes vezok confirmed-scum. I am not scumreading vezok on his play, I agree with a lot of what he's saying, like his townread on ace.

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When I suspect someone for inactivity, it's because I suspect them for coasting through a majority of the game because they can get away with it. Starting to be active in a step in the right direction, but it doesn't immediately erase all suspicion.

Well, I've picked up my activity, so as far as I'm concerned this point is dying a quick death.

I am also suspicious of how you pushed the mastin lynch yesterday as an obvious scum push that everyone were idiots for not understanding: it seemed like you were latching on a contradiction in order to get a mislynch even though the contradiction wasn't actually scummy thanks to circumstances.

I was just attempting to make mastin be held accountable because the "one more day" thing wasn't cutting it with me - I fail to see how this is scummy.

I also really didn't like your "why should I post when I have a ghost guilty on me?" plea: it wasn't the reason for your earlier inactivity and it didn't really seem like a genuine reason for your inactivity at any point.

It's still true, though. If there was an accidental mod result which pointed to you being scum and you were town, it's quite demoralising. Do you disagree with this?

I also don't like your play in general of shooting down the case on you but not really taking initiative elsewhere: it's easy but it doesn't actually make any sort of progress towards a town win.

It's impossible to take initiative elsewhere until you can defuse the pressure on you because people are all too happy to vote me, absolve themselves of responsibility for the flip, feel slightly bad about the flip and move on. I'm having to prioritise my survival over pushing other people right now.

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My read on vezok: if mastin's telling the truth, which I really need to think about, your theory about neighbourhoods makes vezok confirmed-scum. I am not scumreading vezok on his play, I agree with a lot of what he's saying, like his townread on ace.

Do you agree with the neighborhood theory? Why are you townreading ace?

Can you give me a list of neighbourhoods and their members? I looked through a few people's ISO's, like Heartless, and the resource wasn't available - it would be extremely handy in answering this.

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Seems to point to Imperium-scum, Ace-town and one scum in Chinese, probably TWIE?

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CHINESE :

Metal, Skybird

,

TWIE

NORSE:

The Mask, Ace

,

AP

MAYAN: Xombie, ZZZX, Mastin
ROMAN:

Imperium

,

Solar, Bitmap, TD

HINDU:

Pere

, Farside,

FT, Anamikus

GREEK:

Magua

, Vezo,

Beast, TSO

EGYPTIAN:

ooba

,

ceph

,

heartless, andy

At a guess? I'm not sure about the ones with no colour - mastin's neighbourhood is divisive for me.

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Cephrir's reaction to it.

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I would expect Cephrir-scum to play for the long haul, not to leave misleading trails to confuse town when he died.

[T S O]

Cephrir's reaction to it.

You weren't even there to see it. o.O

Unless you're lying about it, what's the difference?

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I think the chances are good the rest of the Hindus are town.

You think so?

Is there anything in the neighborhood that makes you think vezok might be scum?

I'll have a look - to be honest, our neighbourhood is all Beast.

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I'm sorry, you two, but I have class in the morning, so...

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Sweet, you finally did something worth talking about ZeL1nk!

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Also, reinforces town reads on a *lot* of slots if he does flip scum.

Go on with this? Who are these people? Far more relevant, what reads are affected when I flip town?

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ZeL1nk, will respond to you when I get back from school hopefully.

[T S O]

*rubs hands in anticipation*

[T S O]

Nah, I'd like to respond - the only thing you're doing is attacking me, and you seem to think you're town, so I don't see the issue with me responding while I also talk to other people, unlike you.

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I was walking up the stairs, and it came to me that my set-up spec was wrong. It's not a scum in every neighbourhood, dramonic wouldn't break his game that easily.

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I am nearly 100% sure that's correct.

[T S O]

CHINESE :

Metal, Skybird

,

TWIE

NORSE:

The Mask, Ace

,

AP

MAYAN:

Xombie, ZZZX, Mastin

ROMAN:

Imperium

,

Solar, Bitmap, TD

HINDU:

Pere, Farside

,

FT, Anamikus

GREEK:

Magua

,

Vezo

,

Beast, TSO

EGYPTIAN:

ooba

,

Ceph

,

heartless, andy

Is what I'm going for now.

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Pet theory is that vezok didn't want me flipping originally because it would bring scrutiny on him as the last member of our neighbourhood, but for some reason decided he didn't care anymore about that. not sure why.

vezok, what exactly is your claim again? I've got all the time in the world.

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Does anyone have a legitimate townread on farside?

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Also, also, if FourTrouble is our Vig, I'm back to not particularly townreading Metal Sonic.

[T S O]

{MS, farside, vezok, Ceph, PV, TWIE} with AP as a 3p??

[T S O]

I couldn't see scum having the huge power of FourTrouble, honestly, but I could definitely see them having MS as 1-shot.

The one thing irking me is where the kill went last night. Mastin, maybe? If there's two at any point take FT as your god and saviour.

[T S O]

Look, I'm pretty sure there's no response you could possibly give that would satisfactorily explain your behaviour this game. I know you can probably come up with a bunch of excuses. I'm not really interested in reading them if you somehow happen to be town. So you can waste your time making excuses or trying to dismiss points I've made or, if you are town, you can choose to use your time more efficiently and actually scum hunt, provide reads with reasoning, talk about your thoughts on different things that have happened in this game and so on and so forth. Do that and respond

if

you really want to and have enough time I guess, but I'm not interested in reading a wall of excuses or complaints about how it's not fair that you're being scum read.

That's cute, but since your wall basically boils down to the effects of inactivity - "hey u know when u weren't here u weren't posting" etc. - it's all the same thing, so it won't take me much time.

Does anyone have a legitimate townread on farside?

I would be surprised if anyone didn't, actually. It would just show a lack of reading.

I know Magua was (is?) scum-reading Farside, but he legitimately hasn't read a substantial portion of the game.

I also doubt pikari is scum.

I honestly do not really care what you think or doubt - the stock I put in your opinions is low.

Pet theory is that vezok didn't want me flipping originally because it would bring scrutiny on him as the last member of our neighbourhood, but for some reason decided he didn't care anymore about that. not sure why.

vezok, what exactly is your claim again? I've got all the time in the world.

What? I claimed doc a long time ago.

Who have you been on so far?

I couldn't see scum having the huge power of FourTrouble, honestly, but I could definitely see them having MS as 1-shot.

The one thing irking me is where the kill went last night. Mastin, maybe? If there's two at any point take FT as your god and saviour.

You can also see me day vigging the most lynchable members of the scumteam who failed to use his ultimate before death.

Every single theory surrounding you as not town is calling you a third party, this is irrelevant.

Would lynch you for bad but already just did with anka

If we were lynching for bad you'd have been quicklynched d1. A marked sign of this is you admitting you put me as a scumread for no reason and evading my question for close to 200 pages, before giving up and admitting you didn't know why.

[T S O]

@TSO: I docced cephrir night 1 and made ms action immune nights 2 and 3. If you would've paid attention you would've already known. Where do you want to get with this?

Because it both amuses and worries me that one of the few neighbourhoods to not emphatically declare how town the whole 'hood is turning out to be all town. Amusing because of how much everyone in the other 'hoods believed. Worrying because someone is being completely hoodwinked.

[T S O]

Yeah, lynching inside the Chinese 'hood is what I want to do today.

[T S O]

Is anyone actually townreading MS/TWIE? In regards to the latter, those mystical townvibes you may have felt with him lurking are just like those mystical scumvibes you may have felt with me lurking - in other words, utterly irrelevant.

[T S O]

I hated his readflip on me, but his role and usage of it seems pretty damn town. I can't find any sort of potential loophole he's been exploiting.

[T S O]

I guess you could say he was guarding the most influential scumteam member n1.

[T S O]

See, Magua, I could see vezok-scum and co. realising Metal Sonic was a dayvig and actually keeping him alive to reduce our numbers due to his extremely high chance of derp. But he's not going to act until he has our full approval. So, if vezok -is- scum, the only thing I can think of is that he's keeping Metal Sonic alive because one of the scumteam members can influence the dayvig choice strongly.

[T S O]

Even saying what I'm thinking makes me less confident again in vezok-town, I need to listen to myself more often.

Still think a Chinese lynch would be cool.

[T S O]

Because I flat-out was not reading the game.

[T S O]

It's sadly as simple as that.

[T S O]

Yeah, because when I saw mastin's post it was the only thing I had an interest in responding to.

[T S O]

I mean, I apologise for not reading the game, I make no pretences I did. People like TWIE have openly admitted the same. It's unfortunate.

[T S O]

I'm not scumreading mastin, and I'm not scumreading ZeL1nk, and I am scumreading TWIE.

Your memory's not on point today.

[T S O]

I keep saying I want Chinese players dead today, and MS/TWIE I have specified in particular.

[T S O]

Ok.

TWIE, fine.

Metal Sonic: Do you think he daykilled his buddy PeregrineV for towncred?

Assume there's three scum remaining (could also be four). Taking aside TWIE and MS, who else do you think it is?

Alternatively, who do you think is definitely town?

I think Metal Sonic is significantly more likely to be a 3P rather than scum.

I would be extremely surprised if both Heartless and Imperium are town.

You, me, Ace, ZeL1nk, Xombie.

[T S O]

But Ceph could have been in danger of being shot by something else - there had just been a Third Party flip.

[T S O]

Will try to get to other stuff tonight.

[T S O]

VOTE: vezok

[T S O]

My face is quite similar to my profile picture as I type this.

[T S O]

I'm not scumreading mastin, and I'm not scumreading ZeL1nk, and I am scumreading TWIE.

Your memory's not on point today.

This is interesting to me, because for someone who apparently hasn't been reading the game, I'm interested in knowing how you went from scum reading me at the end of D2 to having a magical town read on me.

Your colossal levels of derp.

[T S O]

I finally have an excuse to vote TSO!

When this is the fucking quality of vote on a wagon it's clear how shitty a wagon it is.

[T S O]

Who's even voting me?

Metal Sonic: He has literally no idea what he's doing ever.
Imperium: Their reason for voting me is awful and shitty and they're probably scum for it.
ZeL1nk: If I was mod-confirmed as an Innocent Child ZeL1nk wouldn't believe it; he's not in the tunnel, he's burrowed into the foundations.

[T S O]

Your colossal levels of derp.

Why would that make me town? Can scum never "derp"?

Because apparently my case on you is all about inactivity (it's not... but that's what you're claiming it is), and that doesn't exactly seem like a tough case to push as scum.

Your case on me -is- all about inactivity and its effects. "Oh you don't have much content." Yes, you moron, I know that. I was inactive. "Oh you're active lurking." Yes, you idiot, I know that. I was inactive. Rinse and repeat.

Literally, your big wall that you're so proud of goes thus: Paragraph 1, inactive. Paragraph 2, no content. Paragraph 3, getting mad when people scumread him instead of posting content. Paragraph 4, getting in fights instead of posting content, Paragraph 5, no content. You have one paragraph, the smallest one you wrote, about how my interactions with Cephrir apparently making me scum. That's the sum total of your wall when you remove "inactivity and co." from the equation.

Scum don't derp the way you're doing; like, even this stupid little game you're playing where you try to invalidate my read on you by imagining situations where you are scum, is a magically town kind of derp.

[T S O]

I mean, if we're talking about interactions, vezok protected Cephrir n1 and was hard townreading him right until he was dayvigged - but you're tunnelling me, so feel free to not acknowledge that.

[T S O]

I'm reading it as a Doctor from n3 on optimally - I don't think Lovestruck wears off, even if Share the Love does.

[T S O]

It's not an oversimplification, but it's cute you're pretending it is.

[T S O]

i dont see a problem with multiple docs. the more the merrier, right?

of course, scum would be complaining. wouldn't they?

Ladies and gentlemen, Metal Sonic.

[T S O]

"hey to balance this game let's give town loads of vigs and give scum no way to stop them"

[T S O]

seriously, i hope i'm wrong about tso so i can be the asshole here and not all of you.

I know they're wrong about TSO, and amusingly they still wonder why I'm being an asshole.

[T S O]

Like MS you have literally decided that your conclusion is TSO-scum and you refuse to think about anything that could alter that. Exhibit A:

TSO: "The game isn't balanced if scum have no way to stop vigs."
MS: "hurr hurr im town ur not"

[T S O]

Hey, ZeL1nk, what was vezok's read on me at the start of today? Serious question.

[T S O]

Okay, MS, let's do that.

Statement, TSO: "The game isn't balanced if scum have no way to stop vigs."

Analysis: TSO believes there must be a way scum have to evade vigs. vezokpiraka's role suits this perfectly. This is why TSO is pushing vezok, who coincidentally protected flipped scum n1.

Statement, Metal Sonic: "hurr hurr im town ur not"

Analysis: Subject is not reading the game, has no interest in debating with fellow players who don't support his views and is probably also picking his nose.

[T S O]

Do you actually fucking believe you and ZeL1nk are that convincing? I am so not worried about your views on me I have been mercilessly holding you up as a sign of the pressure and wagon me being substandard. Do you actually think vezok-town was so convinced he just upped sticks and voted me? Really?

[T S O]

Yeah, MS, I'm the last scum. This game's set-up was 21-3-1 with multiple town vigs.

There is no emoticon onsite to accurately portray my level of disdain.

[T S O]

Yeah, MS, I'm the last scum. This game's set-up was 21-3-1 with multiple town vigs.

There is no emoticon onsite to accurately portray my level of disdain.

@TSO what do you think about his comment about the team color? do you think it might indicate a possible slip of a 2nd team ms by any chance?

I don't think so, ZZZX, the kills every night just don't add up if that was the case.

[T S O]

Yeah, MS, I'm the last scum. This game's set-up was 21-3-1 with multiple town vigs.

There is no emoticon onsite to accurately portray my level of disdain.

@TSO what do you think about his comment about the team color? do you think it might indicate a possible slip of a 2nd team ms by any chance?

I don't think so, ZZZX, the kills every night just don't add up if that was the case.

its true about that but that post honestly pings my radar

like what if the 2nd team had a dayvig instead of a night kill?

also I have not seen any time when he killed anyone. so i have an interesting question. his identity isnt revealed in the daykill right?

We had a gigantic discussion about how his kill method seemed to confirm him as third party. I don't know why it died down, to be honest, but I think it was ooba who laid it out. It's why I don't think MS is town.

[T S O]

Racist

This thing had at least 1 kill per night, sometimes 2 - I think it was meant to reduce town's numbers significantly.

[T S O]

I am aware of the possibility of Heartless manipulating me right now. It would be a good play for scum. I still don't care.

[T S O]

Ladies and gentlemen, ZeL1nk.

[T S O]

Imperium: Their reason for voting me is awful and shitty and they're probably scum for it.

Imperium is still far more town than I am (both via play and interactions with flipped scum), and I'd still like to hear why you think they're scum.

On another note, you apparently think Heartless is scum but you're more than happy to jump straight on a wagon with him.

Yeah, counter-wagon, whatever, but you're still listening to someone you said you thought was scum.

And, surprise, surprise... You're still not talking about your reads.

Actually, let's talk about yours - I'd like to see the interactions influencing your Imperium read.

[T S O]

METAL

WHY DO YOU THINK HE'S CAVING ON THE TSO WHITEKNIGHT NOW?

because of me and zelink
*looks at the obvious*

/thought experiment

tso is lynched

flips town

you and zelink now owe him a "sheep"

THAT'S what vezok was focusing on

Congratulations! You caught me good. How did you figure I'm the best scum mastermind there ever was? Who did foil every single part of my plan? Yes I protected Ceph because his role was too good for us and I needed him alive to do stuff. When we saw that our killed disappeared I decided to claim to gain town cred for me and ceph. After that FT made our day worse by killing ceph, but all was not lost, because I had the incredible idea of voting someone who I openly said I townread at the start of the day in exchange for a gentleman's agreement of sheeping knowing I'll control more votes tomorrow.

But in my incredibly excited state I made some mistakes. I should have never said I consider TSO town, because I could've coasted way easier. My genius is oh so limited in only grand schemes. I mess the details every single time.

Now that the incredible scumhunter TSO has foiled my master plan I have nothing else to do. but bow to him.

HAIL TSO, THE MOST PARANOID KING THAT EVER LIVED! LONG LIVE THE KING, LONG LIVE TSO!

It amuses me that vezok seems to be addressing this to ...me despite Heartless having made the post, but more importantly:

Hey, vezok, do you think scum are always paranoid?

[T S O]

Because it's incongruent as fuck that you're voting me for being scum and complaining I'm being paranoid about you as well.

[T S O]

Actually, let's talk about yours - I'd like to see the interactions influencing your Imperium read.

Virtually every interaction with Pumbaa, but especially things like the end of D1 (including the PV vote and the way that played out with Pumbaa) and the questioning and suspicion from them D2 re: Pumbaa.

I'm more than willing to bring up the specific interactions I'm talking about, but I would be doing that only in response to someone making a scum case on them. Otherwise, it's a waste of my time.

So make the case. Give the reasons. Justify your reads.

Nah, I just wanted to see how willing you were to discuss your reads.

I mean, you called me scum for not doing so, yet you ...also refuse to do it. I guess we must both be scum, by your logic.

BTW i will just post this for later on but


if MS is scum this game and wins it he deserves an award. lol.

He's never going to survive no matter his alignment and if he did it would be through blind luck.

Okay, MS, let's do that.

Statement, TSO: "The game isn't balanced if scum have no way to stop vigs."

Analysis: TSO believes there must be a way scum have to evade vigs. vezokpiraka's role suits this perfectly. This is why TSO is pushing vezok, who coincidentally protected flipped scum n1.

Statement, Metal Sonic: "hurr hurr im town ur not"

Analysis: Subject is not reading the game, has no interest in debating with fellow players who don't support his views and is probably also picking his nose.

um, no, those aren't analyses. ok, well a bit. let me explain it to you.

Statement, TSO: "The game isn't balanced if scum have no way to stop vigs."

following this:

Statement, Metal Sonic: "hurr hurr im town ur not"

therefore the statement by Metal Sonic portrays an attitude, belief, or view in response to the statement by T S O.

Analysis: TSO believes there must be a way scum have to evade vigs. vezokpiraka's role suits this perfectly. This is why TSO is pushing vezok, who coincidentally protected flipped scum n1.

So everything up to here is you agreeing with me. I don't really know why you felt the need to post it, but well done for doing so regardless.

Here's where it gets fun.

Analysis: TSO believes there must be a way scum have to evade vigs. [1]

Okay. This works as weak analysis - explanation, but at least some beliefs of T S O is established.

It's probably weak analysis because you removed all the other lines - this is again unnecessary and pointless, but I'll humor you, MS. We all need our whipping boys sometimes.

vezokpiraka's role suits this perfectly. [2]

Here there is a logic gap. Firstly, the vigs we have seen were me and FT dayvigging. Not sure how this protection helps. Therefore, the word "perfectly" is unrepresentative and non-specific. Secondly, there is no link to how vezokpiraka's specific role is appropriate to T S O's belief; what sets apart vezok's role from that of mastin2, for example, or myself? A step should be established in distinguishing T S O from the rest.

Because your role is... a... dayvig and vezok's role is... a... Doctor. And one of these can protect your teammates, and one of them can't. I also fail to understand how mastin's role involves stopping vigs.

This is why TSO is pushing vezok, who coincidentally protected flipped scum n1.[3]

This information can not be obtained from the statement above. Purely speculation and not analysis.

MS, let me break it to you gently:

vezok has openly admitted protecting Cephrir n1.
Cephrir flipped scum.
Therefore, this is not speculation. It's the truth.

Analysis: Subject is not reading the game [1]

The statement by Metal Sonic should portray an attitude, belief, or view in response to the statement by T S O. This is not done.

Statement, Metal Sonic: "hurr hurr im town ur not"

The statement does not show evidence of the speaker not reading the game. If there was something in the statement that contradicts well-known facts in the game, then this assumption and thus, analysis can be drawn. However, the statement shows no evidence if the speaker is READING THE GAME OR NOT, so there was speculation made without evidence. You cannot draw inferences out of the text and construct your own story.

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True. Sadly, when you didn't know vezok protected Cephrir n1, a fact loudly debated 2 to 3 pages ago, you automatically lose your pretence to reading.

[T S O]

@TSO: Who said I'm voting you because you're scum? I'm voting you cause everyone wants this lynch and I consider you an annoyance. I don't think you are incredibly town either.

As you can see until you are lynched many people will not stop voting for you and not listening to other stuff.

So you're voting for a policy lynch, then.

Why was this not made explicitly clear?

[T S O]

Mislynches are harder to push than you'd think, right ZeL1nk?

[T S O]

If it was, quote it - I don't understand why you didn't do this in your post.

[T S O]

Prediction: you can't back it up.