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Hello.
I'm roughly 232 pages behind at the moment, so I'll probably need five minutes (give or take a few days) to read the game.
In the mean time, it appears there's a substantial wagon on me. I suppose this is the part where I'm supposed to yell at all of you and call you a bunch of silly-billies or something, but I've never been good at that. I would appreciate it I weren't lynched before I'm caught up, because as much fun as it is reading through over 200 pages of what I'm going to assume is mostly meaningless banter, it's even more fun when it's not all for nothing!
If you're really impatient and simply cannot wait until I've caught up to interact with me, I can perform party tricks. Pick a card. Any card.-
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I'm going to assume I'm town, since "Order" isn't very specific but I don't appear to have any scum buddies. Unless they haven't accepted me yet because I'm the new guy and they're playing a prank on me or something. Perhaps I have to prove myself before they take me in. Who knows?
My picture looks quite menacing, though. I think I'm like batman with breasts. A dark knightess.
It's probably going to take me a few full days of reading to catch up on this game, but it appears there's not much time until the deadline and from skimming the last couple pages the general sentiment seems to be that people are fine with my lynch. Could one of you fine people give me a run down of why I'm one of the leading wagons and any other relevant information that might quicken the process of catching up?-
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In post 5785, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 5782, ZeL1nK wrote:It was the seven of diamonds.
full claim
I couldn't if I wanted to. In his haste, our dear moderator has given me no more than my basic role PM, so I'm not entirely sure what actions I've taken, if any.
Unless you're just asking me to full-claim that, in which case I'm going to politely decline. Again, even if I wanted to, I'd have to check with our dear moderator to make sure of how explicit I can be.-
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Can one really know anything?
You don't appear to be voting me. May I ask why you wish for me to claim?
Do you have thoughts on the game that extend beyond your desire to know the contents of my role PM that you would like to share with me? Perhaps you could walk me through the people who you think are likely to be scum, or your thoughts on major events that have happened so far in this game, or perhaps we can just have a friendly chat and get to know each other a little better. Did you know, for example, that I can both pat my headANDrub my bellyat the same time?-
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In post 5633, dramonic wrote:TiphaineDeath (9): Mastin2, Xombie, theaceofspades, farside22, Vezokpiraka, Ooba, The Mask, Ankamius, Ozgin, Cephrir
A question for anyone who wishes to answer.
Is anyone assuming this is an all-town wagon?
Do people think I'm being bussed and, if so, by who? Since dramonic won't tell me, perhaps one of you can.
If I did happen to be town (if it's even possible to imagine such a scenario), who would be scum here?-
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In post 5795, Metal Sonic wrote:Yes, anyone can do that.
I feel like you're belittling my achievement and I don't appreciate that.-
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So you think there's only two scum in the game, and they're both currently being wagoned?
That would be rather convenient. Not impossible, just convenient. Do you perhaps have reasons for this beyond, "because I said so"? And, if it's not too personal a question, may I ask what your next goal in life is? Since you've clearly already mastered scum hunting.-
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In post 5799, Metal Sonic wrote:Mafia is a convenient game.
Yes. Yes. My next goal in life is to beat Rooftop Run in under 2 minutes 15 seconds.
That seems like a rather simple goal. I don't see how you couldn't achieve that. You are famous for being rather quick, after all. Or perhaps infamous, depending on who we ask and how intimate they've been with you.
In post 5800, Metal Sonic wrote:What exactly did dramonic give you upon joining the game? Did he not give you your previous night actions?
Precisely what I said he gave me (a role PM).
No actions or other information that might have been useful to know. I've been left to fend for myself in a cage full of lions. Isn't that just cruel?-
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He literally just forwarded me what I assume was the original message to TD, since it contains a time and date from two weeks ago with no additional information and says it's a forwarded message in the title.
But, yes, this is the kind of thing I'm likely to lie about, Metal Sonic. You've seen right through me. I should have known it was foolish to try and sneak past your acute detective skills.-
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In post 5810, vezokpiraka wrote:Can you not post like a normal person?
No, I can't. It's a birth defect and I'm rather sensitive about it.-
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In post 5820, Skybird wrote:Your spot has been null/leaning scum to me so if I'm right, yes they are bussing.
Ace, Ooba, Ank, and Cephrir are all suspicious to me.
Do you have town reads on the rest of the people on my wagon, then?
What is your theory for why I'm being bussed, when Ozgin (who you may or may not think is town?) was so close to lynch earlier in the day?
Is my whole team a bunch of jerks? Is that why I don't know who they are? Did they tell dramonic not to tell me?
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In post 5820, Skybird wrote:if I'm right.
Also what do you mean, "if I'm right"?
That suggests conviction, whereas apparently I'm only "null/leaning scum". Have I been updated to "probably scum" or do you usually assume you're right about "null/leaning scum" reads? Do you have no stronger reads than "null/leaning scum"?
Because - and feel free to call me crazy - I usually prefer lynching people I think are very likely to be scum, and - again, call me crazy - those people aren't usually null/leaning scum to me. I know, I know, I have a weird way of thinking about things. Perhaps times have changed and I haven't adapted.-
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In post 5823, Cephrir wrote:We're just in a very awkward position today because we only have three lynches to choose from and all of them are bad.
Is this because I'm missing something and there are literally only three lynches to choose from?
Or is this like, "well, we could lynch someone else, but we're incredibly lazy, so we're just going to sit around and spam page upon page of banter to make it really hard for the dude replacing in while twiddling our thumbs because we're evil"?-
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The range of your skills continues to impress me. Is there anything you cannot do?-
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From what little I've read, I think FourTrouble seems like a generally likeable person and is not someone I want to lynch today, but (and please pardon my French) Ozgin does not seem like a good guy and I want to make him deadsies.
But, people seem to be opposed to this idea because they loved the Lion King. I must admit, I have a bit of a soft spot for that movie, too.
So, I don't know what to do. I don't want to read through 200 pages if the choice comes down to me or someone I don't have strong feelings about being a bad person.-
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From a theory standpoint, it's not such a bad option to no-lynch given there's two anti-town players dead and no town players dead. The idea that you must lynch every day seems like a rather silly concept. Like putting a use-by date on sour cream. Is it really necessary? What purpose does it serve? Are they worried it's going to go sour?
Though I suppose this is dependent on whether you think there's a decent chance that either my slot or FourTrouble's slot is scum.
I'll read through FourTrouble's ISO properly and then probably vote no lynch unless something changes my mind.-
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In post 5850, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 5847, ZeL1nK wrote:Ah, I forgot, I'm dealing with someone who has already mastered the art of scum hunting.
Pray tell, good sir, what information do you think we'd gain if it's not even possible to lynch a scum player?
the dead person's role pm
Wow.
I've seen the light. This is a good reason to mindlessly lower the number of people in the game, regardless of their alignment.
No wonder you have a Best Town Performance logo and I don't. I shall heed your guidance.-
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In post 5853, Skybird wrote:Constantly trying to point out you are town rings false to me. (re - is my whole team a bunch of jerks/I don't know who they are?) Scum are usually the ones going around constantly shouting "I'm town! I'm town".
Doesn't it follow that if I didn't list a person as suspicious that I have a town read on them?
No, itdoesn't followI'm townthat you necessarilyI'm townread the restI'm townof the wagon as town.I'm town
You couldhave them asI'm townnull reads, for example.I'm town-
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In post 5856, Skybird wrote:Zel1nk are you always this sarcastic?
If I answer yes, will you assume I'm being sarcastic?-
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In post 5845, Metal Sonic wrote:Because the scum will not find it worthwhile to kill this player, unless he has revealed himself to be a threatening Power Role
By the way, in a game where it's known there are no VTs, how many roles do you think there are that pose no potential threat to scum?-
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In post 5890, theaceofspades wrote:i'd rather lynch somebody than nobody. No lynches do nothing but give scum another night to choose their kill without any retribution.
It's kicking a decision down the road for no purpose. It's like politics, but less nasty. Kick it down the line to your successor, not your problem.
I'd rather lynch any of the 3 up there then no lynch. No lynch is bad mmkay
Other than the fact that you seem likely to be a baddie, this sort of logic would apply more in a game that isn't role madness with two anti-town players already dead and zero town players dead.
I asked Metal Sonic, who ignored it perhaps because logic is his (im)mortal enemy, but exactly what sort of setup do you think you're playing here? It's known to be role madness with no VTs - virtually every town role in the game likely has potential to ruin scum in some way. Role madness games are, by their nature, more about the night phase than the day phase. Giving scum another night to what? Potentially miss another kill but more likely get at most a single kill? Big deal?
When the alternative is lynching someone you don't think is scum, there's no upside to lynching.
Unless your argument is that you think it's likely I'm a baddie or that it's likely FourTrouble is a baddie, ergo lynching is better than no lynching. But I trust your opinion about as far as I can throw it, and I never got picked when the kids played baseball for a very good reason.
I personally think the most likely scenario (if we don't lynch Ozgin, who Pumbaa seems rather attached to) is a town lynch today, and the only thing you get out of lynching today is a flip - there isno useful informationto be gained from the lynch today outside of that if it's a town flip.-
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Also, just in case anyone is wondering why I think Ozgin could very well be a baddie, I'll make the same point I made in the neighbourhood PT.
I've read over the circumstances that led to F-16's modkill and I've read over F-16's ISO (paying close attention to his stance on Ozgin).
Given the circumstances that led to 5582, 5583 and 5585, I believe it's more likely than not that F-16didactually have good reason to believe Ozgin is scum.
There are two possibilities here.
He received some sort of information from dramonic clarifying a query that made Ozgin more likely scum than not. Perhaps he was informed of circumstances that indicated Ozgin had blatantly lied about something. Perhaps dramonic just came home drunk one night and decided it would be a good idea to send F-16 a copy of Ozgin's role PM. Who can really know? The point is that the way it came about doesn't look to me like it was simply an unplanned gambit or lying for the sake of lying.
The alternative here is that he was simply being a massive doo-doo head (I sincerely apologise to anyone whose sensibilities I may have offended with my choice of language here, but I could not think of a clean way to express how disappointed I would be if this were true) and the clarification he received from dramonic was something along the lines of, "Oh, actually Pumbaa will die if you lynch Ozgin!" But believing this entails that F-16 did this knowing full-well that if Ozgin flips town, he'd be lynched the following day, which seems rather counter-productive. It could be argued that he was so confident that at least one of Ozgin and Pumbaa would flip scum that he was willing to take the gamble (this is the only reasonable explanation I could think of for this to be the case, but I don't see why he'd be so adamant about claiming it wasn't a lie or a gambit if this is the case). The other option is that he thought he could talk his way out of a lynch the following day, which (given how popular he was in this game) seems unlikely. Or perhaps he was secretly tsundere for Pumbaa and wanted to join him in the dead PT so they could be together forever. A lovers' suicide, if you will. Perhaps in bringing Ozgin and Pumbaa together, he himself had fallen for Pumbaa. Love can do strange things to people.
So maybe F-16 didn't know anything about Ozgin. Disregarding all of the above, I'm not seeing a great amount of town motivation in the way Ozgin has approached the game. I thought the way he went from one vote to another (4872->4956) looked less like a baddie flip-flopping and more like a good guy reconsidering . But this is the only thing I think has a town feel in his ISO, really. I don't agree with the assertion made by some players that his reaction to the lovers thing was anything but null and I think, if anything, the way he reacted felt a bit strained. The nature of this game day is making it difficult to assess a lot of his play, but outside of the posts where he justifies his position on TD or FourTrouble, the vast majority of his posts have been talking about his role, the lover thing, or generally survivalistic pleas. It's somewhat understandable as either town or scum when you're part of such a small lynch pool, but he's been in the game for what? A week and a half now? And he doesn't seem to have made an effort to do anything outside of talking about either my slot, FourTrouble or how he's so very town (just look at his adorable puppy eyes; he wouldn't harm a fly). Perhaps he's done more in his neighbourhood? Or perhaps he hasn't. Either way, what I'm seeing hasn't been awe-inspiring (and his latest post is the only indication that he'sstartedthinking about other players). Also I felt his reasoning for not revealing his ultimate was awkward, but he would not be the first player I've seen who thinks his own survival is more important than anything else so, again, I suppose this could come from either town or scum.
I rambled a bit, but the long and short of it is that I don't see much in Ozgin's play that points to town. Unfortunately, we cannot lynch him without murdering a beloved Disney character, and everyone would be sad if this happened, so I don't see an Ozgin lynch happening.
Which leaves us with a choice between me and FourTrouble, and I don't currently believe FourTrouble looks like scum (and so far the only thing I've seen indicating a reason for the FourTrouble wagon, apart from a desire to not lynch the alternatives, is Metal Sonic-senpai giving a vague description of FourTrouble's play today being off - and while I trust Metal Sonic-senpai's opinion to be very accurate because he was part of a best town performance, this strangely didn't seem all that convincing).
I'd rather no lynch.
With all this said, I've just been informed that there are some voteless players tomorrow and this is a possible reason some people might be opposed to no lynch. I personally don't think it's that big a deal, even if all three voteless players happen to be town.-
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In post 5900, T S O wrote:It's entirely possible he despises Cephrir so much he was willing to be lynched if he was wrong without necessarily scumreading Cephrir strongly.
So the tsundere theory?
That's so cute.
I wish F-16 and Pumbaa all the best of luck in the future.-
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In post 5910, TheWayItEnds wrote:Although tbh I'm a little disappointed he stuck with Pumbaa.
I think after 5893 I would have started rotating through the whole cast Lion King characters before sticking with like... Zazu or some shit.
I've never seen the Lion King, so I'm not actually familiar with the cast. From what I've heard, it's too violent for my tastes.
The only characters are know are Pumbaa and the rat.-
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In post 5923, ZeL1nK wrote:Is there a list of claims on the table?
Or a list of neighbourhood distribution?
Particularly interested in knowing claims.
Is somewhat important in deciding whether I should claim just for the sake of having the information on the table.-
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In post 5965, TheWayItEnds wrote:In that case I think I would have gone with "Pumbraa" instead.
OK. I will keep that in mind going forward because it seems very important.
In the mean time, could you please vote no lynch? I have a theory that something amazing will happen if you do.-
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Well actually it appears you're voting for a baddie, but still, I do not think it is likely he will be lynched today since (I think, but I may be wrong because I am not very knowledgeable in this area) eating pork is generally considered taboo among gods. So perhaps a good alternative is to no lynch.-
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In post 5979, T S O wrote:The first course of action is determining why exactly people like Cephrir are scumreading me.
It could be those empty eyes of yours. You look like a serial killer.-
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In post 5987, T S O wrote:I don't think I -can- anymore. This game broke something fragile in me a while ago and I haven't been able to get it back since.
Try voting no lynch. I have heard this helps in some cases.-
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Please be more considerate in your choice of language. There could be children reading.-
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In post 6029, Cephrir wrote:ooba's done at least one quite town thing that i see no reason to discuss in the event all of us are actually town, which does seem possible to me
Is this one thing role-related? (i.e. Is it ooba leaking information about his role in a way that you think is town?)
If you don't want to answer, fine. But if the answer is yes, it lends to a theory I have for why nobody seems to be scum-reading anyone in their respective neighborhoods.
On that note,
@FourTrouble,
Could you summarise for me exactly what PV wrote in your neighborhood? Especially if he talked about or hinted at an aspect of his role in some way.-
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In post 6030, FourTrouble wrote:Is there anyone -- anyone! -- that thinks Ooba is scum? Or am I the only one in the entire game?
For what it's worth, I don't think he looks town from what little I've read, but I haven't delved into his ISO in any depth.-
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The progression of his reads on you and TD over this day phase are intriguing to me. At one point, TD was among his stronger town reads, but that obviously changed and I don't remember seeing where or why.
But I likely won't be looking at this in any depth until I read the game in depth overnight (assuming I don't get lynched today).-
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