SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[Magua]

Magua replaces House.
Holy crap!

Hai guiz.

[Magua]

Not interested in the D1 lynch of anyone I consider to be lynchbait just because they do lynchbait things. That's what makes them lynchbait.

This includes both PeregrineV and TiphaineDeath.

In particular, I see nothing in TSO's 2265 that says TD-scum to me rather than TD-just-being-his-goddamn-normal-self. If anything, TD jumping his reads over like that makes me more likely to read him town because scum just wouldn't need to.

Do want to vote Imperium, though, for pre-emptive buddying, but this is past RVS so I won't even though I should.

[Magua]

plllllllbbbbbbbtttttttttt

I retract all desire to lynch Imperium.

[Magua]

Tammy, tell me who to vote.

And it has to be Tammy, I won't listen to Nacho.

PEdit: Oh, it also can't be to vote beastcharizard because I really do have a townread on him.

[Magua]

farside, who should I vote who's not PeregrineV, TiphaineDeath, or beastcharizard?

[Magua]

ITT Nacho decides to vote no one.

[Magua]

ITT Nacho decides to vote no one.

i'd vote ap.

i'd vote beastcharizard.

i'd vote mask.

You should talk to Tammy who

knows

thinks that beastcharizard is town.

who would you vote?

UNVOTE: Aeronaut
VOTE: AngryPidgeon

[Magua]

If you could have your intra-hydra chats in your own little QT instead of here in the thread, that'd be really hip and neat.

[Magua]

Why unvote VysePresident?

Why unvote and then not vote someone else?

[Magua]

Because vysepresident is now heartless and I want to give them time to do something more useful than vyse did.

As for why not revote, we'll do that after f-16 and I talk. Right now, I kinda want to vote AP, as I indicated a few posts ago.

Given that there's 24 hours left in the day I think the time for voting is nao. Also I support an AngryPidegon vote and so should you.

Placeholder.

Magua do you have any other reads offhand?

I think beastcharizard and mastin are town.

I think that TiphaineDeath and PeregrineV are super-easy lynches every game they play with so am averse to lynching them D1

so I can cop them tonight

.

Mmmmmm, think that's it.

[Magua]

farside, who should I vote who's not PeregrineV, TiphaineDeath, or beastcharizard?

RachMarie

Why rachmarie over aceofspades?

[Magua]

I'm fucking tired of everyone being "I've got a whole bunch of townreads and so few scumreads. If everyone has pinged your towndar to some extent your towndar is poorly adjusted. And with 10 hrs this is not the time to be "Oh gee what will I do", it's the time to just fucking do something.

Of all the existing wagons:

AngryPidegon is a perfectly fine lynch for me.

Ace of spades is a perfectly fine lynch for me.

Beast is a bad lynch. I will not vote beast.

RachMarie is a perfectly fine lynch.

TiphaineDeath is a lazy lynch that I won't get on board.

Cephrir is a bad lynch.

FourTrouble is a perfectly fine lynch.

Skybird is a perfectly fine lynch.

I'm happy to vote any of the perfectly fine lynches, but I'm currently voting AP. People who aren't voting anyone need to stop being useless.

[Magua]

Is there a reason for a lynch being perfectly fine beyond it being not on lynchbait? Because it is hard to consider your reads when you haven't read the thread.

It's more: if I don't have a reason to be against the lynch, then I'm perfectly fine with it.

Eg RachMarie. I have no reason to be for RachMarie's lynch, seeing as she's posted like one or two things since I joined. I have no case. But I also have no reason to be against the lynch. So I'm perfectly fine with it.

People I'm against lynching: Mastin, Beastcharizard, PeregrineV, Cephrir, Imperium, Heartless.

I will happily vote the shit out of anyone else. My reason for voting AP over any of the others I could've possibly voted can best be summarized as "lolz".

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As for reading the thread prior to my joining: I'm not going to.

[Magua]

MASTINW TF ARE YOU DOING

Mastin: AP is bulletproof omg we can cop him and shit
Everyone Else: AP claims bulletproof in his first post in every game
Mastin: I know!
Everyone Else: So then why are you going on about him being bp?
Mastin: Because he claimed it here in his first post!

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lolwut but that's why I think you're town.

But it's still super annoying.

Everyone going on about the wrong vote puts my nerves on edge when they do it without doing anything else.

Choices right now are AP or no lynch. AP lynch > no lynch even if he's a motherfucking bulletproof cop vigilante.

[Magua]

Holy fuck I want to shoot Cephrir and Imperium tonight just so the spamming of the thread will stop.

[Magua]

With Imperium's vote AP is L-2.

[Magua]

L-1 i activated

Which cancels out my no vote. See the magic at work.

PEdit: Mask, wtf

[Magua]

@Mastin:

If you have role information that AP is town, well, now's the time.

Otherwise, if it's "but he's bp" or "wagon is scum motivated" then no, ignored.

[Magua]

No deaths is not expected.

@Mastin:

Super serious question time. Was AngryPidgeon in your neighborhood or not?

@Heartless:

Why is metal sonic conf scum?

[Magua]

VOTE: Ankamius

[Magua]

Ironically enough, Ankamius vote was due to his complaining about the lack of flips.

[Magua]

Ooba covered a lot of what I was going to say. Due to dram's phrasing of the win condition, I think there's another racist -- brought it up to my neighborhood, along with the joint possibility.

So.

Hi. If you're a racist, we can joint win. You should claim and then we can set things up for you to shoot scum.

That said, still believe that beastcharizard is town.

Think Cephrir is more likely to be town.

Metal Sonic is meh. Strikes me as easy lynch. Curious if there was motivation for Bitmap to remove him D1, or if there was any overarching reason to consider him scum. Not seeing one currently.

[Magua]

According to dram's win con for the SK, it says "wins when everyone not in x pantheon is dead"

That is just only a little different from generic SK win con "win when everyone except you is dead"

I don't think anyone in interested in your so caled "joint win"

Explain how I'm wrong or kindly stfu, kthxbai.

[Magua]

I like Solar Wind.

I also like that Solar Wind already called you on ace, because ace is my other suspect (besides Ankamius) at this point.

So chalk me up as curious about your reasoning.

(This post could've just been me quoting Solar's post and adding "me too").

[Magua]

Why reply to that part of SW's post and not the ace part?

[Magua]

Less defending of yourself for lurking, more suspects kthxbai.

[Magua]

For looking at votes, and voters on AP-wagon, this.

Less generalities and more specifics kthxbai.

[Magua]

@AceofSpades:

Why did you vote mastin (whom TiphaineDeath is voting) while at the same time saying that you thought TiphaineDeath was suspicious?

Walk me through your thought process here.

[Magua]

Tammy is scum.

Therefore Imperium is scum.

[Magua]

24 fucking pages in 3 fucking days.

Activity overview is telling me that I really, really, really, really want to lynch Imperium and then let Solar Wind by nk'ed. Holy shit, the two of you put together have a third of the posts in the game.

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Like Solar Wind's push on Imperium, but *entirely dislike* Solar Wind outright saying it's a pressure vote. 3127 and 3134 are basically "We're going to vote you until you act in this way we're going to describe" and let me tell you how weird that reads.

Oh, drama llama, etc, etc, skipping.

People who don't know how to trim quote walls, skipping.

Mastin and Solar Wind arguing about something that's utterly pointless, skipping.

Weeeeeee.

@TheWayItEnds:

3328 is you saying you took House's vote. Why?

Mastin and Metal Sonic arguing about something that's utterly pointless, skipping.

HOLY SHIT METAL SONIC WAS ACTUALLY NOT TROLLING ALL ALONG WHAT A TWIST

Idea that AP was silenced yesterday is bullshit because he stillc ould've voted. He was just lurktastic. Goddammit, mastin.

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Metal Sonic:

Guys, how many fucking times are you going to fall for a troll before you wise up?

Welp, guess that's not really relevant anymore. Can be town and ignored until lylo, revisit if still alive then.

Mastin2: You're town. Shut up about AP. If AP wanted to play as town, he could've, but town play there would've been to make everyone have a post that said "I am Order aligned." AP didn't do that. He hardlurked. Let your anger go, move on. But, you're still town. So.

Skybird: Literally nothing.

theaceofspades: Not really liking anything of his that I've read. Only redeeming factors are circumstantial, eg, Peregrine voting him.

Beastcharizard: Town. Useless town, but town.

TheWayItEnds: Slightly more town than TSO, but that's not saying much. Has had slightly more content, but in my mind I just keep falling back to "the TWIE and TSO show"

TiphaineDeath: Mostly town due to unprovoked claim on roleblocking mastin. If mastin's powers were such that he thought he was targeted for the kill and lived, I think he would've said so and/or pushed on Tiphaine. So I'm left with Tiphaine telling the truth.

Ooba: Meh. Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh. Suspicious, see his rebuttal in 3719, but it doesn't ring true. Don't buy the thought process. Especially don't like the "If I was mafia, I would've done the reverse!" self meta.

ZZZX: Literally nothing except that mastin is super-100%-sure-he's-town.

Farside22: Has had posts. I've read them. Don't recall them. All pushes seem to be on easy targets, which isn't by itself terrible (I'm fine with lynching RachMarie, PeregrineV vote for her or no), but seems to lack self-awareness. They just seem to be flung out. Only one game with farside, btu I remember her having more developed thoughts than this. Scummy.

Solar Wind: Holy shit. You're town, but you both seriously need to realize you can close your mouth every once in awhile.

FourTrouble: He's done stuff. He's like TSO and TWIE but with more content and actual stances and thoughts and reasons and stuff. Find his posting stilted and not-fluid, unsure if that's just playstyle or not.

Cephrir: Don't like. Don't like the spammy nature, don't like the frequently drawn out off-topic posts. Blah blah D1 lie detector claim blah blah. However, given that I don't think mastin was roleblocked performing the mafia kill, Cephrir being protected by vezok is the best hypothesis for no kill. So until another one comes along or vezok flips scum,

saving for later possible mislynch

ignoring.

Imperium: Tammy is scum. Therefore Imperium is scum. Not

really

a joke.

RachMarie: Literally nothing

The Mask: Weird (affected?) posting style. Know very little about stances.

Ankamius: As close to nothing as possible to get without being nothing

T S O: Just shows up to complain. I like complaining, I'm a fan, but I really like it when other stuff is done besides complaining as well.

(inb4 "Yo dawg, I heard you liked complaining, so I'm complaining about your complaining" etc etc)

vezokpiraka: No lie, upon joining the game I sighed at this, but vezok's actually doing really well, and I can follow the thought process at work. Town.

Bitmap: The only thing I know is that he can imprison people. Other than that, nothing.

Xombie: The only things I've seen are "Replace me" and "Ok I'm staying"

Heartless: More town than Imperium (which is a low bar). Lots of questions. Reserving judgment.

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So:

Town (S->W): Solar Wind --> mastin2 --> Metal Sonic ----------------> vezokpiraka --> beastcharizard --------> TiphaineDeath --> ZZZX (based off of mastin) --> Cephrir -------------> FourTrouble -> Heartless -> Bitmap

Scum (S->W): Imperium -> TSO --> Ankamius --> Skybird --> RachMarie ------> ooba --> farside --> TheWayItEnds --> aceofspades --> xombie

UNVOTE: Ankamius
VOTE: Imperium

[Magua]

@Imperium:

Your "omg i cant believe u dun townread me at all i thought we were bff y dun u read my posts" reads fake. Also please be spamming your fake reactions less, kthxbai.

@Metal Sonic:

PROTIP! You don't need to quote an entire page and half long post to add on "me too"!

For your reads list: I have no reason for Skybird, Bitmap, TWIE being town. TiphaineDeath is way more likely to be town than scum.

[Magua]

I have a strong townread on Imperium. Less confident on the Magua town-read so Magua needs to explain.

I see a lot of Nacho and not a lot of Tammy. The Tammy I do see feels forced. I'm serious when I say my reasoning is "Tammy is scum so Imperium is scum."

[Magua]

Flavor/god naming/setup spec is, at best, pointless, and at worst, a cover. ooba, Xombie, and Imperium are the biggest offenders and I don't like either of them doing it. Easily half of ooba's posts are either about brambles or about which Chinese god Metal Sonic is.

Because yesterday my slot took your slots vote and Imperium was speculating on who the vote thief was?

Yes, the "why" was "Why take House's vote" at all.

Or to be more specific: Was it you, or a predecessor of yours? If you, why? If a predecessor, which one?

PEdit: Later posts say that this was Blonde. Want to confirm that's true.

What, exactly, did you like about [Solar Wind's push on us]???

I liked that they did it. I had suspicions of you, and I liked that Solar Wind was pushing those same suspicions because I like when other people come to the same conclusions that I do.

(Obviously, I like their backing off less, but c'est la vie.)

PEdit: Coming to 3957, I backtrack to this. No, I didn't realize the push was personal. No, I don't condone or support personal attacks. Yes, I didn't like the outright "I'm going to pressure you" nature of the push, which I even called out in my post.

All that said, I still read Solar Wind as town before their attack on you, and I did like the fact that they, a strong townread of mine, were pushing you, a strong scumread of mine. None of those reads had anything to do with the personal attack. So.

@SW, call it selfish but Magus has some loose reads which are vastly different from mine. He should have concrete reads on a few players, BT me in particular. He doesn't seem to be sure what to make it me, and I'm mostly plays this way because of restriction. Either way I would expect a read of me to be on HIS list. I've played with him plenty before.

Well, let's see, shall we? Between my replace in and that catch up post was

50 pages

no I went back and checked and it was 60 pages, 1504 posts.

Of those, you had 10. Posts, that is. Not pages. And the posts weren't particularly noteworthy themselves. (I went back and checked).

So, no. The only impression you'd made on me was that you had a stilted posting style. Other than that, you've made no impression and have been in the null slot.

You obviously know who I am. You want to hide behind an alt or some sort of posting style, that's fine. But to hide in a context where I don't know you and can't meta you, to be responsible for one half of one percent of the posts that I read, and then call me scum because I have no opinion on you is one hundred percent sheery bullshittery.

I'm not seeing what you, Mastin, Ooba, and Metal are seeing. Tammy's posts have felt to me like her normal posts as town. How are they forced?

I've revisited this since 3957 and rereading earlier pages. My earlier read was that it went from completely unemotional to highly charged emotion out-of-proportion to what was being said (eg "How can anyone think that I'm scum that's such bullshit"), but now it makes more sense in light of the interaction between you two and Imperium that was apparently going on in your neighborhood.

Imperium still feels scummy to me, but less so than before.

UNVOTE: Imperium

VOTE: TSO

[Magua]

@Solar:

You say it wasn't, they say it was.

I don't give a rat's ass.

I still think you're town, I still think they're scum, but Tammy's view explains her reactions rationally enough to satisfy me.

Beyond that it doesn't matter.

PEdit: My reason for backing off Imperium is that I don't have the energy to push that through on my own, you're not on board, mastin's meh, so it's just not going to happen. I could sit there with my thumb up my ass being the only vote on the wagon but it's not going to happen so why bother.

[Magua]

As much as it pains me to admit it, I agree with Imperium's 4249 about theaceofspades claiming to activate a double-vote but not having to declare it in thread(2608, 2842) not coming from a scum mindset, which would want to hold onto that power and keep it secret.

Similar thoughts go to TheWayItEnds' vote thief role.

(I had a scum vote thief like that in my Paranoia game, and as expected they used their power but never claimed it to distract town.)

(It *is* possible that someone, coughcoughImperiumcough, coached him into doing it that way for just this reason, but I'm willing to table that thought until after Imperium has flipped scum.)

The one unanswered item about the irregularities on AngryPidgeon's lynch is what Mask's repulse does:

Nvm bit disappointed AP is leading but w/e tf, you guys are cocks so you hate pidgeons

repulse: angry pidgeon

On initial reading, I had assumed that this made AngryPidgeon hated and was what was responsible for the lynch at L-1.

Now I'm just curious about what it did and why Mask did it.

PEdit: I see Skybird addresses this in 4270, but I'm too lazy to delete what I wrote.

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This is not even close to the truth. 5 out of 70 is not half.

Imperium thought TD lied about targeting mastin and I helped them figure out alternatives.

For fuck's sake.

Never read (most? any?) of your D1 posts, not really going to. Do know that there's several posts of yours that are entirely setup spec about TiphaineDeath and the brambles, or about Metal Sonic being a racist, etc, that are completely IIoA useless.

It's not that you don't have content. It's that you don't have a lot of content, and then you do have posts interspersed that are content-lite to content-free (3189, 3451, 3737, 3786, 3789, 3794, 3800, 3881, 4110, etc I stopped there).

Especially the vote count one in 3189 throws me off, because that's the exact sort of thing I did as scum in War in Heaven III because it looked like work without actually taking any stances. Ditto for setup spec, which-god-is-Metal-Sonic, who-has-brambles etc.

I mean, I get it, I like setup spec

as much

more than the next guy, but so many of your posts seem to be words without stances, and it makes bells go off in my head.

magua explain your goddamn scumread

You're around, and you post, but the amount of content in your posts is even less than ooba's. Your last vote was on Metal Sonic, you haven't given any other indications of who you think is scummy since the PeregrineV kill, in fact haven't reacted to the kill at all other than "mastin's reaction is off"...so it's pretty much active lurking. You're here, but you ain't doing jack.

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Of farside's three:

TiphaineDeath is town. I think he's town for the unprompted roleblock claim on mastin.

beastcharizard is probably town, less so than TiphaineDeath. He's got stuff in the neighborhood about his ability/abilities are going to prove him town once we all see it that, well, factually, aren't true, but the emotion and the conviction he had D1 with them reads to me as difficult to pull off for scum. Tht is, I do not read beast as being that good of a scum player.

FourTrouble is a lynch that, as said, I'm perfectly fine with, even if it means voting along with ooba.

UNVOTE: Imperium (because I like to emphasize)
VOTE: FourTrouble

I await people telling me I'm

stupid

misguided for voting FourTrouble.

[Magua]

For Tammy specifically:

UNVOTE: TSO
VOTE: Imperium
UNVOTE: Imperium

VOTE: ImperiumUNVOTE: Imperium

VOTE: ImperiumUNVOTE: Imperium

VOTE: ImperiumUNVOTE: Imperium

VOTE: ImperiumUNVOTE: Imperium

VOTE: ImperiumUNVOTE: Imperium

VOTE: ImperiumUNVOTE: Imperium

VOTE: ImperiumUNVOTE: Imperium

VOTE: ImperiumUNVOTE: Imperium

VOTE: ImperiumUNVOTE: Imperium

VOTE: ImperiumUNVOTE: Imperium

VOTE: ImperiumUNVOTE: Imperium

VOTE: ImperiumUNVOTE: Imperium

....
VOTE: FourTrouble

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@Cephrir:

I feel, paradoxically, that it would be better if oobas were just not posting rather than posting fluff, since I read the fluff as trying to give the illusion of activity. It is the exact same problem I have with TSO's posts.

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May read FourTrouble's ISO later. May not. Oooh, suspense, etc.

[Magua]

I read you as having more content than TSO, hence him being scummier than you.

[Magua]

Or, to put it another way: You have a lot of fluff. BUt yours feels more organic, or in the flow, whereas I feel from ooba and TSO that they're posting things just to say that they've posted things.

You also have the claimed-ness of the vote thief even though it wouldn't otherwise be public knowledge going for you.

[Magua]

@mastin2:

Your FourTrouble-beastcharizard-TiphaineDeath ordering is the opposite of mine.

I am curious of your opinion on TiphaineDeath given his claimed roleblock on you.

- Do you think TiphaineDeath was lying about roleblocking you?

- Do you think his claiming of roleblocking you was scum or town?

Finally, the question I'm most curious about is, why is FourTrouble so town to you? Plzplzplzplz be something other than "it's got to do with stuff in my neighborhood".

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@TSO:

Kindly expand your lack-of-content to why you think scum-aceofspades claims his doublevote D1 when it doesn't show up on vote counts.

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Okay magua riddle me this. Your strongest town read has a strong town read on your strongest scum read. You say that you liked the push on you because they came to the same conclusion you did, but that's not accurate at all. In fact, in the post where they voted us, it was a post about how badly my scum game sucks and telling mastin she was wrong. He literally says he doesn't think I'm scum, but he'd help push there to get reactions. He then, in a follow up post, mentions that the last time he fake suspected me, he caught the scum team based on their reactions to his push on me, which indicates that, again, he doesn't suspect us.

Did you miss all that? Why are you skipping over your strong town read's posts concerning their strong town read of us? Why are you ignoring the fact that they pointed out you were wrong about their not being much of me in the thread?

Why aren't you negotiating that?

There's a similar trend with your ooba read and projection of his posts.

You're just flat out ignoring things in thread which negate your reads so you can stay sticky on them. Why aren't you digging? Why are you just commentating?

Welp, this is a mouthful, and I'm going to abbreviate it because this isn't a MD topic.

- I noted I found SOlar Wind's push to be odd, and that I didn't like the oddity, but I still liked that they were pushing you.

- I townread Solar Wind before the push, I scumread you before the push, ie, happiness at the push was a result, the push was not a cause of reads.

- Seeing Solar Wind back off from the push makes me sad, as I continue to believe that I am right and they are wrong, because that's how I roll. But, truth be told, I don't have the energy to argue it against the four of you, and so I'm not bothering because it's not really that useful. Instead I'll wait until Solar Wind is nightkilled and then I'll revisit it.

In regards to letting it drop specifically, well holy fuck, I just don't have time for that. That catch up post was over 60 pages in three days, and let me tell you how much noise that can fuck. I am at the point where I respond to something when I see a reason to do so. (Obviously I see a reason for this response right here right now, so you can skip the obvious retort.) This is the exact reason I'm not bothering to reply to ooba, because how does that go? "I think ooba's posting a lot of fluff." "I'm not posting a lot of fluff, I've got content!" "Let me point out a list of the fluff you're posting!" "That's all content!" "It's fluff!" "It's content!" etc.

Not useful, so I skip it.

I do care what Solar Wind thinks. I do care what mastin thinks (see FourTrouble / TiphaineDeath questions above). If I'm unsure of why they think something, I'll ask. But just because I think they're town doesn't mean I think they're right.

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Xombie's "where did my vote go" feels stupidly fake. Feels like calculated townslip. Do not like at all.

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What is your current read on TiphaineDeath?

Town for unprovoked roleblock claim on mastin at start of Day.

Terrible player who's lynchbait in every game I've seen him in.

Such is life.

Also it's weird that you're asking me when last I looked you thought I was scum because I thought you were scum. PEdit: Nevermind, see you saying that you thought House was town and I'm basically coasting on that so.

Do want you to contribute more and ask questions less though so there's that. You can tell me why you think FourTrouble is town for one.

[Magua]

I am going to be V/LA until Monday the 23rd. Maybe light posting tomorrow morning, but completely gone Friday afternoon through Monday afternoon.

How is me missing the VC originally and not understanding what was going on even a townslip, let alone a calculated one? Errr?

It is a weird pathology of mine that I wish to believe that if someone truly doesn't understand something that just occurred in a game, like why the vote count may have been reset, that they would read the last page or two to try to understand it instead of being "lol wheres my vote guiz". However, scum may find a value in pretending to not know what is going on in the game even when they really do, because they are nefarious.

That is, given the choice between believing you are being incompetent or believing that you are being scummy, I choose to believe you are scummy.

If you'd prefer I believe you are incompetent, that can also be arranged.

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Magua - why do yu want to see ankamius ask questions less?

Do want [Ankamius] to contribute more and ask questions less

The statement is intended proportionally, ie, Ankamius makes few statements and asks a whole bunch of questions and I would prefer the ratio reversed.

You'll note I'm not responding to any of the rest of your posts. This is intentional.

No, I lied, I'm going to reply to another: regarding ooba, him going and listing all the nature gods is fluff. His "brambles could be god X", "brambles could be god Y" is fluff. His theory in which Chinese god Metal Sonic is fluff. I'm not arsed enough to go back but I'm pretty damn sure that you got an answer from dramonic that the brambles weren't due to you, and that's really the only non-fluff part of that conversation.

Fuuuuuck, there's another I have to reply to, this sucks.

Spoiler: Post 4515

1) you have mastin as town, fine. You're giving zzzx a town read based entirely off mastin, cool. Why do you then have xombie in your scum reads when mastin has also been calling xombie 100% town? You can't say it's because zzzx is doing more because that's objectively false.

Because mastin didn't make any "Xombie is SUPERTOWN" post since I replaced in? ZZZX gets "I've explicitly told people MULTIPLE TIMES that ZX is town" in 3555. Xombie doesn't get mentioned; happened to be high in his readslist in 2916 but whoop de shit.

Mastin doesn't call xombie confirmed town until 3847, which the mathematically inclined may not comes after my post. If he called xombie 100%-super-confirmed-conftown-just-like-AP D1 then I didn't read it, so neener neener.

PEdit: It amuses me that Metal Sonic seems to read my posts more than you.

2) I get your reasoning for twie and the unprompted admittance of the vote thief making him look good (I have a tin foil hat theory on that) but why do you think that his two predecessors didn't fess up to the stolen vote when house was raising a stink about it? Also you note that he has fluff while tso also has fluff but twie'so is more organic. Why the ambiguous reads that mean nothing! I mean hey I like stuff like organic, forced as much as the next person but please to be acting like you're reading the thread and not spitballing.

As to why it wasn't mentioned in my post: I haven't read D1 before I replaced in, and don't ever plan to, so it didn't factor in read at all. Neener neener.

As to TWIE and TSO, I was totally spitballing. I read 60 fucking pages and at the end of it I was like, "TSO feels scummy" and I was like "TWIE doesn't feel scummy." So that was what I wanted to convey in my reads. Why does TWIE not feel as scummy as TSO? *shrugs* Fuck if I know. So there you go. Neener neener.

3) If you believe vezok saved cephrir from a nightkill, I don't believe he did, but if you believe he did, why is cephrir not higher on your reads list?

Because I didn't like Cephrir's posts, as mentioned. Without the vezok-protection-claim, Cephrir would likely have been in my scum list, so him being in town at all *is* the higher point.

4) if you're basically reading tiphaine death and beast as town because they're lynchbait, why do you have rach and ankamius in your scum reads? Pretty sure rach has been v/la this day phase, so you're scum reading her for being v/la? (I also get that you think td's I blocked mastin is so town, but I have my own problems with that one, and if you think he's town from that how did you miss that we were trying to figure out if he was lying?)

TiphaineDeath is town because of his unprompted roleblock claim on mastin. I've said this, so now I simply feel like you're not reading my posts which is, ah, irony.

beastcharizard is townish because of his actions in the neighborhood, which are basically, "Guiz when you see my power I'm going to be conftown." D2 occurs, vote-related stuff is underwhelming, but he's still so goddamn sincere about how we're going to see him as town that it warms my cold dead heart. Pretty certain I've said this as well.

5) how is bitmap town but rachmarie isn't?

1) His abducting of Metal Sonic was generally considered townish so I gave him points from that

2) RachMarie posted, but posted literally nothing of value. Bitmap did not post much, but at least posted some reads.

The truly cognizant will note some defining trend in what I think of as scummy.

[Magua]

Tired and going to sleep.

Skimmed the pages, will review them later, but in the meantime:

@Ozgin:

When you claimed, why did you only claim your vote ability? Walk me through your thought process here.

[Magua]

My other half of my claim, my ult, is almost suicide at this stage of the game AND creates the biggest weakness I could have next to death and doesn't quite reward me enough at this stage. I would rather save that reveal for later in the game when I can feel more confident in my ability to scumread.[/quote]

No. The question was "What was your thought process?"

Or to put another way: your claiming of stuff that was already claimed looks like someone who read through their ISO and claimed what their predecessor had already claimed (specifically you claimed what beast had already claimed in the neighborhood). That makes it look like not a real claim. beast had reasons for claiming what he claimed and reasons to not claim what he didn't, which I have to imagine, are different from yours.

I'm curious what your reasons are, hence, "What's your thought process?"

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PROTIP TO SOLAR WIND, IMPERIUM, HEARTLESS, AND CEPHRIR:

It's ok to fucking shut up every once in awhile, Jesus Christ on a stick, if you're so goddamn tired of arguing with whoever you can just *stop*.

It's great.

Highly recommended.

[Magua]

So I don't understand the wagon on me (slash beast) because beast didn't read scum to me (yes I technically ISOd myself).

Reconcile that for me, please, with this quote:

It's pretty stupid, I'm Order aligned. Has BeastCharizard claimed role yet?

If you'd ISO'd yourself, why ask this question?

[Magua]

I liked Solar Wind (as town) a whole lot more before the last five or so pages. Less so now.

To be entirely honest, I don't even really /care/ if they're right on Cephrir. I find the entire conversation to be toxic, and not matching the stated motives coming from Solar Wind, which makes it just feel weird.

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TiphaineDeath is not scum. Roleblock-on-mastin claim is not from scum. I would believe mastin-as-scum-who-was-roleblocked looooong before I would believe TiphaineDeath-scum, and I still believe mastin is town. So there's that. Also, TSO and ooba are on this wagon, so there's that as well.

Ozgin I am less sure on than before. As indicated by my questions, I'm not following this thought process upon replacing in; it feels forced, and the flipflop on FourTrouble, as noted, feels particularly forced. I'm not all "Ozgin is scum," but waaaaaay more of "I don't particularly care if Ozgin dies." I'm hoping Ozgin really steps up his posting because otherwise this'll probably win out of sheer apathy.

Still think FourTrouble is the scummiest of the three. Don't like that the past five days have been neighborhood spec and nothing else. Do like that he's all "TiphaineDeath's claim of roleblocking mastin is pretty town." Meh. Still voting him, though it's entirely PoE instead of having any actual good reason. Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.

[Magua]

Write greasemonkey script to remove Solar Wind's, Imperium's, Metal Sonic's, and Cephrir's posts.

Bam. Entire game is now only 108 pages.

[Magua]

The one unanswered item about the irregularities on AngryPidgeon's lynch is what Mask's repulse does:

Nvm bit disappointed AP is leading but w/e tf, you guys are cocks so you hate pidgeons

repulse: angry pidgeon

On initial reading, I had assumed that this made AngryPidgeon hated and was what was responsible for the lynch at L-1.

Now I'm just curious about what it did and

why Mask did it.

Added emphasis.

[Magua]

UNVOTE: FourTrouble
VOTE: Ozgin

Think Ozgin is town. Think TiphaineDeath is more town, and FourtTrouble ain't getting lynched.

[Magua]

After reading the last five pages, I'm actually happy that F16 got modkilled, tbqfh.

I am so fucking emphatically against lynching TD's slot without a replacement that I lack the words to adequately express it.

Ozgin's reaction does read town. Cephrir's action doesn't read as town, but not bloody much that can be done about that at this point in time so shelving and will worry about it Tomorrow. (If Cephrir does, at some point, flip Town, Ozgin would be as near to Town as can be -- I fully believe that scum-Ozgin sitting at L-1 who found out he'd been loverized with town-Cephrir would be all about pulling that trigger).

The only one of the three I actually want to lynch is now back to FourTrouble. If a FourTrouble lynch isn't going to happen, I'd prefer no lynch.

PEdit:

UNVOTE: Ozgin
VOTE: FourTrouble

[Magua]

i'm ending the day and killing td, you have anything else to say in the game thread?

Killing TD is bad plan bad mojo.

Don't be bad.

Be good.

[Magua]

Better reason than voting TD just because you're impatient.

[Magua]

I have no fucking clue what you're talking about here.

This analysis blows. Scum want to avoid being lynched, so now being able to argue that he shouldn't be lynched because it kills Ceph too, is what scum would do in this situation, regardless of Ceph's alignment.

Ozgin didn't argue that he shouldn't be lynched because it would kill Cephrir too, is the thing.

In the neighborhood, he's all "Which of you fuckers is Aphrodite?", not "Don't lynch me". Realize you don't have access to that, so I'm telling you.

In the main thread, in 5492, he's more or less making the case that Cephrir dying would be a good thing. 5498 is, yes, AtE with its "scum want the double mislynch", yes, but I can see the thought process from town-Ozgin here -- someone secretly loverizes you, immediate reaction is to think it's scum, immediate conclusion is that scum are getting a second lynch.

The big thing for me is that Ozgin's sitting at L-1 from 12:40pm CST through 2:14pm CST, so about 90 minutes, and doesn't a) explain shit, b) give a rationale for why lynching him would be bad. If he's self-preservationist scum, it'd be trivial to post something like "Hey, who loverized me with Cephrir? I got told by the mod that if I die blah blah blah." Instead it's "Cephrir, you suck."

I do not see an Ozgin-scum / Cephrir-town situation. I could see Ozgin-scum / Cephrir-scum, where Cephrir is coaching Ozgin, but that's the only Ozgin-scum possibility that makes sense to me, and I don't class it as very likely at all.

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Only slightly related, I'm super fucking annoyed at F16's "I've got role info that Ozgin is scum guiz" that was obvious bullshit, and I hate that sort of crap because it derails town because someone feels like playing hero rather than mafia. Flashbacks to Magister Ludi single-handedly fucking up A Feast for Crows with his bullshit cop claim. So, being entirely honest here, half of not wanting to lynch Ozgin is out of spite, the only emotion I can still feel.

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Falcon flipping town makes me feel better about Imperium, so I probably won't vig them tonight.

I like Espeonage's posting, which is pretty much words I never though I'd ever say.

[Magua]

If I didn't have such a townread on the TiphaineDeath slot, I'd be scumreading ZeL1nK hard. Really reads as trying too hard to be flippant. Too many silly questions ("Hey, who thinks the wagon on me is all town" etc). But, eh, TiphaineDeath, so still think the slot is town.

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F16 and Ozgin: I don't think F16 gave a flying fuck about Ozgin, personally. The impression I get is "as good as any." Pretty goddamn certain that F16's "Ozgin is confirmed scum I'm a daycop and I copped him" schtick was because he wanted Cephrir dead, and, having already submitted the loverize on Cephrir and Ozgin, getting Ozgin lynched was the only way that was going to happen.

Pretty much the entire setup of the Ozgin wagon previous to the failhammer is disinterested compared to afterwards.

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FourTrouble shoot

TSO, Ooba, or Skybird

after 5952 and 5956 it should be Skybird. Skybird doesn't care about who gets shot, as long as it's not her.

Mmmmm. TSO doesn't even mention FT's shot. Still read Skybird as worse.

If FourTrouble hits scum, I'll happily sheep FT for the rest of the game. If not, still really want to lynch him.

Do not want to no lynch.

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Didn't see anything worth reading in pgs 242-247 so here we are. Neighborhood spec is stupid, but the arguing about the neighborhood spec is somehow equally stupid. Both Andrius' and ZeL1nK's posts about maf theory seem pointless.

Shoot Skybird.

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Metal Sonic: Dayvig shoots scum, happily let him live until lylo because I'm gullible like that.

Mastin2: Townread is lessened from before. A lot contingent on being able to prove ZZZX, etc town D3. The paranoid part of me is thinking that TiphaineDeath roleblocking him did stop the Mafia kill.

Skybird: From nothing to scum. Posts seem entirely based on self-presevation + asking questions. No mention of who's scum. No caring about anyone else, but jumps up when Cephrir suggests shooting her.

theaceofspades: Mmmmmeeeeeeehhhhh. Redeeming factors are circumstantial, eg, Peregrine voting him, vote thieving D1, that's really about it.

Ozgin: Still think he's town, hasn't changed.

TheWayItEnds: God, him and TSO, I just want to vig them both. For reasons I cannot even adequately explain I still think he's townier than TSO, but, low bar, etc.

ZeL1nK: TiphaineDeath's roleblock of mastin. ZeL1nK posts started out terrible, have gotten slightly better, overall meh. Coasting on TiphaineDeath townread.

Ooba: Still think he's scum. Still don't like the "If I was mafia, I would've done the reverse!" self meta.

ZZZX: Slightly town, maybe, but this is mostly mastin is super-100%-sure-he's-town.

Farside22: Gladiated, disappeared. Came back, hasn't said much. Doesn't change overall light scumread.

FourTrouble: Quoting myself here because this hasn't changed at all: "He's done stuff. He's like TSO and TWIE but with more content and actual stances and thoughts and reasons and stuff. Find his posting stilted and not-fluid, unsure if that's just playstyle or not." Except I know that of Ozgin/ZeL1nK/FourTrouble, the one I want to lynch most is FourTrouble. Hope he shoots Skybird.

Cephrir: I sort of want Cephrir to be scum just to spite F16. But I don't feel that the chance of Cephrir being scum is more than the chance of Ozgin being town. Also possible save by vezokpiraka. So leaving alone for now. Revisit later.

Imperium: No longer think that Imperium is scum, in large part due to F16's insistence that they were town and F16 being town.

Andrius: Only thing I can recall Andrius going on about now is neighborhood setup spec and drunkposting, and neither of those make me think that he's town.

The Mask: Says stupid things, is called on saying stupid things, disappears.

Ankamius: As close to nothing as possible to get without being nothing

T S O: Useless waste of posting space who needs to die and is hopefully if there is a God on this earth scum.

vezokpiraka: Probably town, due to pre-emptive doctor claim + reactions to beastcharizard in neighborhood.

Espeonage: I like Espeonage's posts so far. Agree with them. I like people I agree with.

Xombie: Nothing.

Heartless: Still more town than Imperium. Blah blah paranoia but low on the list.

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So:

Town (S->W): Metal Sonic -----------> vezokpiraka --> mastin2 --> ZeL1nK --------> Ozgin --> ZZZX (based off of mastin) --> Cephrir -------------> Espeonage -> FourTrouble -> Heartless --> Imperium

Scum (S->W): Skybird --> TSO --> Ankamius --> Andrius ------> ooba --> farside --> TheWayItEnds --> aceofspades --> xombie

Scumread order hasn't changed overmuch except that Skybird's moved up and Imperium's a townread.

Yes, I'm voting a townread. dealwithit.jpg.

For emphasis since I'm aware I'm already voting him:

VOTE: FourTrouble

Shoot Skybird.

[Magua]

One might infer that me noting it there is, in fact, me thinking about it.

The biggest item for me is that I'm pretty sure TiphaineDeath was telling the truth about roleblocking mastin, and the pre-emptive claiming about all of that looks town. TiphaineDeath-scum could've also easily roleblocked mastin-town, but I would not expect them to open D2 claiming so.

PEdit: I understand each of the words you said, and yet do not understand your meaning.

[Magua]

Thank you for your accurate translation, Cephrir.

Unfortunately,

I read dumbtells as towntells so this makes me think of ZZZX as more town.

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@ZZZX:

I'm sheeping Metal Sonic, same as you.

[Magua]

Although I feel I'm simply walking into a trap here, that's fantastically non-useful.

Also, saying "Don't shoot X" without saying "Shoot Y" is also non-useful, so, congrats on your two-for-one there.

[Magua]

I have this morbid belief that reproaching people for non-useful posts will create useful posts, in defiance of all experience.

Continuing the trend, naming 6 people out of 22 is not particularly useful either. How about you name the one person you think is scummiest.

[Magua]

I understand its not your dayvig. We're playing a little game of pretend.

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Do you think that mastin is scum?

I mean, if you think it's at least 51% that mastin is town, the chances are that shooting him doesn't really resolve anything, does it?

(I mean, I'm paranoid about mastin as well, but I think that shooting him is a bad bet at this point.)

Similarly, do you think ZZZX is scum? If he flips town, what's your gain?

[Magua]

You should apply that logic to me.

I kinda-sorta have.

I mean, I do think you're town

ish

.

I just think you're the least town of you/Ozgin/ZeL1nK.

Also: Shoot Skybird.

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@TWIE:

He's going to shoot whoever the fuck he feels like shooting. This is really just me poking you about scumreads because I can't actually recall you having any.

[Magua]

lolwhat?

Either FourTrouble is lying, in which case he's going to get lynched (hooray!), or it's going to matter a whole bunch very, very, very shortly.

[Magua]

Upon reread, I think that TWIE thinks we're talking about lynching, not necessarily that Skybird is BP or similar.

[Magua]

@Farside:

F16 loverized Cephrir and Ozgin, then went batshit crazy and got modkilled. He was town. FourTrouble says he's got a dayvig.

There. You're caught up.

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@TWIE:

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp. I assume this is neighborhood claimed information?

If not Skybird, I'd shoot TSO.

[Magua]

Well, you've certainly convinced me.

[Magua]

Since I certainly can't imagine scum ever having the foresight to say "Don't shoot me it's a bad idea" I am fully convinced that you are correct, and regret the error of my previous bloodthirsty ways.

PEdit:

Oh man, I can't tell you how much I *want* that statement to be true, but man have I been burned before.

Unrelatedly, you're doing the /exact/ /same/ /goddamn/ /thing/ as Skybird. Not a peep about who should be shot, as long as it's not you.

[Magua]

If you think TiphaineDeath/ZeL1nK are scum, why are you voting FourTrouble at this point?

[Magua]

Then why are you voting no lynch, as opposed to lynching Ozgin?

[Magua]

@Skybird:

Your last comment on Cephrir previous to this seems to be:

Right now we can't lynch Ozgin because that takes down two potential townies.

That was three days ago. Seems like the only reason you're scumreading Cephrir now is that he's calling you scum. y/n?

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I approve of ooba shot.

Not sure what to make of the TWIE/Skybird interaction at this point.

[Magua]

Yes, and now you want FourTrouble to shoot him, whereas before you were unwilling to lynch.

So, asking if your change is only because he started calling you scum, or if there's something else.

[Magua]

Sssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

No talk.

Just dreams now.

[Magua]

TWIE, what? Are you scum?

Wondering if you are in any way serious with this. Not following your thought process here at all.

[Magua]

The question is more, how is it a scum move?

If TWIE is scum, how is he advantaged by saying you're bulletproof?

[Magua]

Things would work better from my perspective if you'd just answer the question as stated, plzandthankyou:

If TWIE is scum, how is he advantaged by saying you're bulletproof?

[Magua]

I think Skybird is a lot townier than before. Not a good shot.

(I don't like Skybird's defensiveness, and I /really/ don't like Skybird's "You have no case" mentality or Cephrir-OMGUSing. That said, I absolutely do not believe that a scum-redirector would claim such in the neighborhood, nor that partners would allow her to. It's *such* a goddamn powerful role -- redirect investigations on you, redirect vig shots in your direction, etc.)

TWIE a little townier than before. It's mostly a "don't think that scum would bring attention to neighborhood fullclaiming or jump in to defend someone rather than letting them defend themselves." Shakier than Skybird's reasoning.

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So.

Liking TSO shot, but let him fullclaim first.

Trailing beyond that, Andrius shot or ooba shot.

[Magua]

I know!

Sucks that I've only cleared two people because of their role, but I have every hope that I can do better!

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And on a less sarcastic note, this isn't clearing-by-role. This is clearing-by-reaction. I can see a scum redirector. It'd make a shitload of sense in a setup like this. But I do not believe a scum-redirector would act like Skybird has acted.

[Magua]

Hooray!

@Mod:

Votecount plz

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@Farside:

I think TD is town for his roleblock-mastin-preemptive claim in 3084.

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@Imperium:

As an advanced AI learning about parsing human meaning from text, I may not be good at gauging emotional truthfulness or not...but I'm hopefully learning.

[Magua]

^pedit: @TSO: I'm town reading Magua like 100% to the grave.

TSO, Magua is literally town. There is almost no argument here.

I cannot adequately tell you how conflicted I feel to have a scumread and a paraonia-read say these things about me.

[Magua]

I am

Chaos-aligned.

Win condition. Now.

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SHOOTING OZGIN OR CEPHRIR IS DUMB BECAUSE WE CAN JUST FUCKING LYNCH THEM

[Magua]

My level of caring is dependent entirely upon Ozgin's win condition.

In either case, FourTrouble should not shoot you nor him, because that's a waste of a shot.

[Magua]

Good shots:
- TSO
- Ankamius (understand role reasons for not shooting him tho)
- Andrius
- ooba (because I'm stubborn as fuck)

[Magua]

I'm not trying to get you lynched.

(Yet.)

I'm saying that shooting Ozgin is dumb because Ozgin can be lynched.

That is distinct from saying Ozgin should be lynched.

PEdit: This is what I desperately, desperately want to know.

[Magua]

FourTrouble, your shot was dumb and inefficient but I love you.

UNVOTE: FourTrouble

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No clue why Ozgin claimed Chaos aligned. Frustration, maybe?

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Cephrir was not saved from a kill N1. Therefore, mastin is probably roleblocked scum.
mastin-scum => ZeL1nK-town.

FourTrouble is town for shooting scum.
Metal Sonic is town for shooting scum.

Imperium is probably town because of F16.

Still on the subject of F16, I'm super sad that Cephrir was scum because I really wanted F16 to be wrong so I could feel superior. Oh well.

[Magua]

VOTE: No lynch

[Magua]

Cephrir sowing doubt on "clearing because of role" in the case of Skybird, TiphaineDeath also strengthens Skybird-town and ZeL1nK-town.

[Magua]

At the point wher ehe claimed Chaos a lynch was a total possibility.

(I thought he was claiming third party, hence the wincon push)

[Magua]

/agree

[Magua]

Town (S->W): Metal Sonic -> FourTrouble --------------> ZeL1nK -----------> Skybird --> Imperium --> vezokpiraka --------> Espeonage -> Heartless ---> ZZZX

Scum (S->W): mastin2 --> Ankamius ----> TSO --> Andrius ------> ooba --> farside --> TheWayItEnds --> aceofspades --> xombie

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Ozgin flipping town does give more town credit to Ooba.

Not following this logic.

[Magua]

(Really, ANkamius shouldn't be so high on my scum list, but a) I want him to be scum and b) I'm happy to give FourTrouble another shot, so.)

[Magua]

If we assume you-town and ZeL1nK-town as I want to do, then the gladiate was amongst three towns. Scum wouldn't need to push any of them strongly, and, I would wager, were spread out over them at different points so that whoever was lynched and flipped town could be followed up with "Told you we should've lynched <other guy>"

[Magua]

Cephrir was not saved from a kill N1. Therefore, mastin is probably roleblocked scum.
mastin-scum => ZeL1nK-town.

Glad you agree.

[Magua]

I am slightly paranoid about vezokpiraka because if mastin is scum and TD starts D2 with "I roleblocked mastin", you need a competing theory to keep mastin from being lynched.

However, I feel that vezok-scum in that case would claim to have protected a town rather than a buddy, but that's less sure.

[Magua]

o rly

*checks*

You're right (2895 vs 3084).

Hmmmm, does imply vezok-town.

[Magua]

My vezok-paranoia still rests on mastin being scum, so that would be the first step regardless.

[Magua]

@mastin:

Although I am eagerly awaiting the humorous conclusion, this stream of consciousness posting over 5 posts is annoying, especially when at this velocity we can expect another 20 before you're caught up.

Really, we all just want you to catch up and post something before deadline.

[Magua]

Does anyone in the Cephrir hood have any idea what this is talking about? Or, really, anyone who knows what this is referring to can answer.

My guess would be that he crumbed vig in relation to Mask posts or similar.

Doubt he would be crumbing rolecop results, as I'm preeeeeeeetty certain that the scum have daytalk, which makes that irrelevant.

[Magua]

3482, 3533, 3931, 3948

He's setting up that he's going to vig Mask, and claim it tomorrow.

Ironically, his being so blatant about this makes me more suspicious of Mask, because I could see that being a bus.

[Magua]

Metal Sonic shoots scum, rockets from scum-must-die to town for everyone. Only after that does Cephrir begin about his Mask-crumbs.

Yes, it's me being paranoid. I'm aware.

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Waiting for mastin, I feel like someone who's asked him to see Avengers 2 when it comes out because it sounds like a cool fun thing to do, and mastin's all, "I can't see that! I haven't seen Avengers, or Thor, or Thor 2, or Captain America, or Captain America 2, or Iron Man, or Iron Man 2, or Iron Man 3! I need all that background information before I can even think about it!"

[Magua]

I regret I won't be here when mastin's catch up finishes.

[Magua]

Ankamius decision is set in stone, so there's little point in talking about it now. If we do lynch him tomorrow (which at this point I'm all for), then we should talk about who to choose after that, sure, but no need to get ahead of ourselves.

Similarly, it's 99.9% that scum know Mask's role, either via being scum or by Cephrir rolecopping him N1, but there's really no advantage in dealing with that before tomorrow either.

[Magua]

I am saddened that there is no mastin catchup post for me to read while I munch on my popcorn.

[Magua]

Guiz.

28 minutes left.

I think FourTrouble is scum, let's lynch him.

[Magua]

At first I thought Mask might've been responsible for a protect N1, but on rereading Mask's role, nope. Starts in Dark form, use of Repulse D1 on AP.

I'm really sort of glad that Mask is dead though.

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Mastin's words are crap.

VOTE: mastin2

Let's start with 6527. mastin says, essentially, "Sorry, guys, had to recert, missed four days".

Here's the bullshit. A recert is something mastin knew was coming up. So on Friday after Cephrir had been shot, does mastin, knowing that she's not going to have any time over the weekend, jump ahead? Apparently no. Even when multiple comments are made about Cephrir, or Cephrir vigging Mask, between posts of mastin's, she still doesn't react.

This is not the mindset of someone who *knows* they're going to be MIA the next few days. Furthermore, mastin says that she failed to submit an action. Mastin-town-who-actually-gave-a-shit, knowing that the Day was ending in a few hours and that she wouldn't be around due to recert, would've presubmitted an action. ESPECIALLY given this damn quote:

One day.
One.
damn.
day.

You'll see.

Which, one notes, was made hours before the deadline.

Instead we get the bullshit that was 6458 through 6487.

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Uh.
Whoops.
Wrong game.
Two dead scum and a dead SK in less than three days.
So slightly less can-trust-me, but seriously, that's still good enough to be can-trust-me-for-a-day figures.

This quote, coming after 3440's "AP WAS TOWNZZZ!!111" and all the bullshit that followed it.

[Magua]

@ZZZX:

Given that mastin thinks y'all are town, has she fullclaimed in neighborhood?

More specifically, I'm curious about this:

(Okay. I'll fully admit. My role is not as gamebreakingly powerful as I thought at the gamestart, because I misread my PM, and with a couple of mod clarifications, he revealed it wasn't as strong as it could have been. But what I have is still freakin' awesome, so long as you place TRUST in me to not be scum and ALLOW ME TO USE IT, to use my ACTUAL action.)

If she fullclaimed previously, has she disclosed what this means in more exact terms?

[Magua]

VOTE: mastin2
VOTE: mastin2
VOTE: mastin2

[Magua]

I think mastin was just fishing tbqh.

95% margin of accuracy

First statement is that there's a small chance it's wrong (which is wtf but whatever).

Even if TSO doesn't know it's true (i.e. the possibility of being redirected), it's true.

Second is no it is definitely 100% true, but also pre-emptively has an excuse if you say you targeted someone else.

[Magua]

Had mastin submitted an action last Night, would you be cleared?

[Magua]

And do you know the exact mechanics of how mastinw ould've gotten a report on TSO without submitting?

[Magua]

When (calendar) day did mastin fullclaim in your neighborhood?

[Magua]

Like 10feb

Did you and Xombie both also fullclaim around this time?

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What do you think about mastin not submitting an action last Night?

Alternative question: Was there any conversation D2 about mastin clearing y'all D3?

[Magua]

What about Xombie?

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Is your clearing basically "mastin claimed something or other whereby if you were scum you would've shot her but she didn't get shot therefore you're not scum"?

[Magua]

@ZeL1nK:

ZZZX-push is understandable but bad. It's really only something that I would pursue

when

if mastin flips scum. That is, I don't find (mastin-town, ZZZX-scum) a likely possibility at all.

Yeah, ZZZX's contributions to the game have been nil. I feel your pain.

And I may be harping on this point, but again, the sum total of your contributions to this game:

I think this post is funnier as it is, even if it was caused by a c/p fail.

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Right now I believe a tso lynch can basically clear our whole neighborhood if he was scum. Its a pretty informative lynch

Let's pretend TSO flips town. What is the information you have gained?

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@mastin2:

I'm not going to mince words here.

I don't trust you. At all.

Your words D2 were literally "One damn day."

D3, your words are, paraphrased, "I had no idea when deadline was, I had no idea a daykill had occurred despite people talking about it, but trust me because I know what I'm doing."

And to be entirely frank, I do not believe that you do. I believe if you actually had a plan that would "work" N3 you would've presubmitted it.

I do not believe mas-"AP WAS SO TOWN YOU GUIZ ARE IDIOTS"-tin would not turn on D3 and be all "lol SK is dead we're in a good position".

[Magua]

Pretty certain there's a lot of roles that win the game in lylo, barring other roles. Any of the vote manipulator ones, to start. Ozgin's would've.

Pretty certain scum have similar roles or counters.

So that means shit.

The rest of your posts are "Waaaaah, I can't believe that people read me being uninterested in the game and not producing as being scum, waaaaah"

[Magua]

Fun fact: You're not living to lylo.

[Magua]

wrong

Well, you've certainly convinced me! Continue being useless, I'm sure it'll go well for you!

[Magua]

Seems to me that you and mastin are both doing essentially the same thing, ie, nothing, while both stating that your role is a great reason, nay,

the best reason

, that you are not required to do anything.

[Magua]

This is true. You are not doing those things. So, it was unfair for me to compare you to mastin, because you are, in fact, doing

less

.

[Magua]

I play down to the level of those I engage.

[Magua]

Why aren't you pressuring mastin?

You should try reading all of my posts, not just the ones that mention you by name.

mastin's either not here or not responding. When mastin is here and responds, I respond.

However, you *are* here and *are* responding and are *still not* producing anything of worth.

So I post in your general direction, in the hopes that if I poke you enough times, you may actually write something of value.

Because I'm an optimist.

[Magua]

I am pressuring both of you because you are BOTH doing the exact same goddamn thing, which is hiding behind a role that you won't claim.

I don't believe mastin's report on you. However, mastin at least has provided reads on people.

You've provided jack shit.

mastin may be scum going for an easy mislynch. mastin may be town who saw F16 faking a guilty on Ozgin and said, "Golly gee, I'll do that!" mastin may be scum who is just rolefishing (current winning option).

However, since the amount of information *you've* given is "I've got a cool rule, fuck off", I DON'T FUCKING KNOW AND YOU'RE BEING A GODDAMN BRICK WALL INSTEAD OF DOING ANYTHING USEFUL, so, really, as far as care at this point, you can both fucking die.

Does that simplify things for you? I sure hope it does.

[Magua]

As in, I gather you've only been skimming the last few pages, as I haven't been holding back my distrust of mastin or the fact that I'm voting mastin, yet 6725 indicates that you're entirely unaware of it.

[Magua]

1) Lynching Ankamius lets FourTrouble vig

2) Ankamius is pretty scummy

[Magua]

@mastin:

Your argument is, essentially, "I'm not malevolent, I'm just incompetent!" I don't believe that. Further words are wasted. Display competence instead. For example, you've given no updated reads based on FourTrouble/Cephrir.

Or let's look at 6759!

For instance, there's one read I have on my chest that I'm keeping secret;

Useless bullshit!

I'm townreading Zelink

Well, let's look at this! The last time you mention ZeL1nK prior to this was 6483 where he's the scummiest in his neighborhood. So what changed?

TSO could be scum but shouldn't be lynched today

Interesting! So FYPOV you have a report that says that TSO targeted Metal Sonic and then a clarification that he didn't which would seem to be related to vezok's role. TSO denies having an action at all, which seems a logical contradiction to your information and is now pushing for you to be lynched hard.

So explain to me why he is not confirmed scum in your eyes.

Because I'll tell you, from where I'm sitting, it really feels like you just made your "report" up and are now trying to backpedal away from it. Explain to me, if you are not blatantly lying here, how you reconcile your report with TSO-town ever at all.

[Magua]

Well, mastin will never say "Yep, I made it up," so there's that.

But the whole reason TSO is voting / pushing mastin is because of that report.

Everything that's been said so far would indicate that TSO's action should read as scum to mastin, so what I'm *really* curious about is why mastin has backed off and has TSO as a kinda-maybe-possibly scumread.

(The further follow up is why mastin, given TSO-visits-Metal information, choose to out it like that, given that since Metal didn't die anyone visiting Metal is more likely a protective role than anything else.

Basically, none of mastin's actions N2 onward have made sense to me, and I really want that rectified.)

[Magua]

Hey.

ZZZX.

Let's play a game!

Pretend that TSO is lynched and flips town who has no Night action. What then?

[Magua]

No. TSO was pushing mastin before that.

The only TSO-mastin interactions I recall are TSO prodding mastin over mastin's "AP was town" posts, and TSO saying "We shouldn't be clearing anyone based on mastin".

That's it.

Then mastin says "TSO visited Metal" and bam, TSO votes mastin, encourages others to vote mastin, etc.

(Also not sure what the further follow up is meant to mean, given that appears to be what mastin assumed and seems to be why mastin initially suggested TSO was probably town.)

mastin certainly did not assume that. I point you to:

One of the weaker aspects of my role allows me to know that, with a 95% margin of accuracy, TSO targeted you last night, MS.

Is this true, TSO?

Even if TSO doesn't know it's true (i.e. the possibility of being redirected), it's true.

So the way I figure it, he's either town who targeted Sonic,
Or someone who was redirected to Sonic, something I can only see being done on town.
Scum wouldn't action on him with a role.

Which was before the mod error announcement. After the announcement you have:

I know speculating about mod errors is bad and all, but this kinda makes me think that TSO did target Sonic but the action didn't go through.
It's a mess to trudge through right now, and I would very much prefer we not deal with it for the time being.

So to reiterate my problems with mastin's report so far:
- "95% accuracy": Leaving room to weasel out
- "possibility of being redirected": Leaving room to weasel out
- "speculating about mod errors is bad": Followed by speculation about mod error

The question to ZZZX is more or less "How would you feel about mastin if her report was provably impossible"

[Magua]

I mean mastin's report earlier that TSO had visited Metal Sonic, the one that was later mod-error-claimed.

If TSO is lynched and flips town with no possibility of ever performing an action, what would be your opinion of mastin then?

[Magua]

ffs zelink

[Magua]

nm you're right about the timing

[Magua]

My overall problem with this situation is:

1) I can't follow mastin's thought processes. At all. 6534 is "I can't confirm [TSO] is town, sadly, but he IS *probably* town.", followed by outting information which would indicate protective role, followed by TSO denying, followed by nothing.

2) TSO is a brick wall who provides nothing.

To be entirely fucking honest, if I had the ability to vig them both I would do it in a heartbeat.

[Magua]

It feels like a sop. A delaying tactic. "Here's some info to prove that I'm not totally useless, now go away." But there seems to be no thought behind the information itself. Like, what do you think mastin was trying to achieve by saying it?

PEdit: I feel that a town-thought-process would not have outted the info, or would've only outted it to her "masonry." I feel that a scum-thought-process was trying to seem helpful without being helpful, and simply didn't consider results.

[Magua]

@Drixx:

Skip this game thread. Read your neighborhood QT. Tell me what you think of mastin2 and ZZZX.

[Magua]

Ankamius wagon is in large part driven precisely because it gives us a vig.

[Magua]

@Drixx:

Skip this game thread. Read your neighborhood QT. Tell me what you think of mastin2 and ZZZX.

@mastin2:

I do not want to belabor the obvious, but I find your telling me what Drixx is going to say annoying. Please don't.

[Magua]

With all due respect, read your neighborhood qt and tell me if mastin and ZZZX are confirmed town or not. Should take 20 minutes tops.

I honestly don't care about any other reading you do until that is answered.

[Magua]

@Drixx:

Tell me your opinion of the likelihood being true:

- mastin not knowing deadline was approaching D2
- mastin not actioning N2
- mastin getting a report about TSO, and then later getting a mod error about it

[Magua]

Last question: mastin getting a report on tso despite nonactioning?

I never bother to read any of a game when I replace in, and I don't recommend you bother either.

[Magua]

Rephrase: I am assuming mastin has fullclaimed to you and you know exactly how her role works. y/n?

[Magua]

While it is REALLY appealing to just read from when I replaced in, that feels like it's not really good play and certainly disrespectful to all the players who have been here since the start. I feel obligated as a replacement player to form good reads and all I really need is some informed opinion of how far back I should go to ensure I come away with reliable reads.

You are entitled to your opinion. Waste as much time as you wish reading, then.

[Magua]

And as an extra, there better be a good case for why I'm scum since lynching me just for a vig is shitposting unless FourTrouble's read on me changed since somewhere at the end of last day phase.

I'll summarize the case for lynching you:
1) It gives FourTrouble a vig shot
2) You've shown zero reason why you're town

I mean, the last one is arguable since hey, it's not really saying you're scum (though I do think you have a better-than-average chance of being scum, so go me!), but more of the fact that your posts for the last three weeks have been "I'll catch up soon"...and then not. I mean, the irony of your 6903 is probably large enough to power a dozen homes for a year by itself.

So, really, it's more that there's no compelling reason to leave you alive.

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@farside:

Vezok is town. I could explain, but since the tone of this entire game is to not, I won't.


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Basically, I have no reason to believe any of these people are scum:
Vezok, Skybird, Imperium (boo), Zel1nK, Metal Sonic, FourTrouble, Espeonage

Then there's mastin group, which, let me tell you, I am 100% A-OK with lynching mastin to sort this shit out: mastin, Drixx, ZZZX

Which leaves my "all the scum are in here pile", which is:
Ankamius, TSO, theaceofspades, farside22, ooba, Heartless, TheWayItEnds, Andrius

I'll happily wagon the everloving bejeezus out of anyone in that last group. + mastin.

[Magua]

If both Ank and farside can do more about saying who they think the town/scum are and less about defending Ank, that'd be great.

Like, farside thinks its TSO + Skybird + Andrius. Hey, that's fine, but then where does the vezok-is-scummy stuff come from then?

Ankamius just has...well, nothing, really. But, boy can he jump in to defend himself!

[Magua]

All Vezo has done is GI from one wagon to the next with no explaination.
His vote on anka read scummy to me so I iso'ed him and found that's all he's done.

Now why is Vezo a town read?

Claiming his protect D2 is a scum move only if mastin is also scum. So pending a mastin-scumflip, I see this as town.

Of his votes, there's only one that I've disagreed with, and that was the vote on TiphaineDeath. Beyond that, his reads have aligned closely with my reads, eg, beastcharizard being town.

4350: Votes FourTrouble. This vote I agreed with.
5046: Votes TiphaineDeath. This vote I disagree with.
5693: Votes FourTrouble after F16 gets modkilled. Agreed with this, I was voting FT at the time.
6456: Votes no lynch after FT shoots. Agree with this, I did the same thing.
- D3 -
6533: Votes Masin. I

totally

agree with this.
6878: Votes Ankamius. Totally agree with this.

In fact, I agree with it so much I'll do it.

VOTE: Ankamius

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tl,dr: If mastin flips scum I'll re-evaluate my vezokpiraka read, but until then I agree with him on pretty much everything in this game.

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FourTrouble should shoot he who wants, and pick who he wants. I feel that deciding either of these things in advance only gives scum better ability to plan around him / decide to roleblock him or not / decide to shoot him or not. Don't want that.

I am fine with the vig target and the lynch target being anyone on this list: Ankamius, TSO, theaceofspades, farside22, ooba, Heartless, TheWayItEnds, Andrius

I think mastin is a bad vig/lynch target for tonight.

Ankamius has done shit all in the thread for three weeks. If he's doing actual productive stuff in the PT then he should really be doing it in the thread. TSO has done shit all in the thread *and* in the PT for...ever, really. (Cue TSO coming in about how bad everyone is.)

[Magua]

@FourTrouble:

I'm assuming you've gotten Ankamius' claim and worked out whatever with him via PT.

[Magua]

How about you claim your ability first.

[Magua]

I can choose someone each day and every single action targeting me will instead target that player. The day phase after, I will target myself with that action.

I targeted nobody D1, PeregrineV D2, and it's currently unused D3.

My ultimate allows me to just become immune to actions entirely for 2 phases, with the duration being increased by 1 for every action I'm hit with. It's unused.

Let me see if I understand.

If you used this ability D1 to target, say, Mask, and got copped N1, the cop action would be redirected to Mask N1

Then D2 you would cop yourself?

Or does it onyl apply to Day actions?

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If you used this action to redirect to, say, TWIE, and then metal sonic daykilled you, it would daykill TWIE, yes?

Would you then suicide tomorrow?

[Magua]

Also I will not there was a town vote modified doc flip and since Vezo claimed day fucking 2 and still lives you'll forgive my instant doubt in him and his stupid fucking sheeping read magua.

So your counter-hypothesis is that vezok-scum, who would be Cephrir's partner, who knew Mask's role because Cephrir had rolecop'ed Mask N1 and was planning to kill Mask N2, decided to claim doctor in the thread D2?

I find this to be an extremely unlikely turn of events.

[Magua]

How would your action interact with Andrius' regarding the choice: Choose yourself and two others, three of you have doubled votes for today and will have zero votes tomorrow.

[Magua]

I am curious what trap you were thinking of laying for scum. Do you think that scum have a daykill?

[Magua]

Well no one thought mask was super town.

Doesn't matter. Given Cephrir's flip, and given Cephrir's repeated assertions that he was going to kill Mask, vezokpiraka-scum who would be Cephrir's partner would've had to claim doctor D2 knowing full well there was going to be a doctor flip N2. I mean, that's the very basis of your argument ("How can you believe vezok is a doctor when Mask flipped doctor?")

[Magua]

Ank, if you were daykilled today, when would you die? Beginning of D4, at your choosing D4, what?

[Magua]

This post ignores that Ank hit Cephrir yesterday.

Do not understand.

The basis is your calling Vezo town based on sheep votes and a claim that could be fake.

I don't know how much clearer I can be about how unlikely I find vezok-scum to claim doctor to be given Cephrir's confirmed role and breadcrumbed actions, but you are welcome to ignore it all you wish.

[Magua]

Every other Night. Had to rolecop someone before he could kill them.

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I nurse Metal Sonic and FourTrouble paranoia. I played in ASoS where hasdgfas dayvigged a scumbuddy and then went on to win the game, so it's not like it's not in the realm of possibility. But I don't consider it a large possibility, and I'm not interested in entertaining it until D6 or so, if they're still alive.

[Magua]

Ank, if you were daykilled today, when would you die? Beginning of D4, at your choosing D4, what?

[Magua]

Hey, farside. No need to post three pages of me to ask me three lines of questions. Jus' sayin'.

Magua just a couple of questions to you.
Why did you defend Pere day 1 and now going for lazy lynches day 3?

Two reasons:
1) It's the difference between D1 with no information, and D3 with a bunch. Ankamius hasn't posted content in three weeks, and I've had a mild scumread on him for quite awhile.
2) It gives FourTrouble a vig shot

Without the vig shot, maybe I wouldn't be voting Ankamius. But maybe I would. I was voting him yesterday for no content and he's really only continued the trend. I'd probably vote TSO. Meh, I'm a fickle creature.

Why did you go from pushing mastin to pushing anka today?

I came up with so many sarcastic responses to this, but really it's just that it's easier to give mastin another Night and then lynch her tomorrow. Worst case scenario she's an arsonist or similar who kills two people.

Also based on flips and vezo's comments how is either Vezo not a question in your mind or mastin more then anka?

I could go back and quote the two times I've said vezok-claiming-doctor-as-Cephrir-doesn't-make-sense that I've already posted in the last hour, but I do not believe that saying it a third time will make any difference, really.

I'm all on board for lynching mastin. Have been doing it for the past seven days. Wasn't happening. So I changed, because I got tired of waiting around for something to happen when nothing kept happening.

[Magua]

You want to ignore all Vezo has done is sheep votes and not interact with scum, but hey wtf do I know.

farside, do you think I'm town or do you think I'm scum?

[Magua]

I have had house/you as town for some time.

Then can you, and I'm asking nicely here, assume that I may know what I'm doing once in awhile?

Please? That'd be lovely.

I understand you have suspicion of vezokpiraka. That's fine. But if you ask why I think vezokpiraka is town, and I say so, and then you ignore it, and then you ask why I think he's town, and I say so, and then you ignore it, and then you say I'm ignoring the obvious, well, it makes me feel sad.

[Magua]

If you're a cop with a guilty on vezokpiraka and an innocent on Ankamius, you should really say so.

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As I said previously,

when

if mastin flips scum, I will reconsider vezokpiraka's doctor claim.

[Magua]

I've skimmed, but will reread the 11 pgs or so more in depth later.

@mastin:

Confirm for me please: Player A has bees. Anyone Player A targets (with either a day or night action) will get bees. Correct?

What about people who target Player A. Will they get bees?

Do you receive the list of dead people with bees as well? Ie, if Player A has bees, and then nk's Player B, would you know that Player B has bees even though they're dead?

Finally: Explain your thought process for TSO visiting metal sonic claim D2 because I do not see how you got that from the information provided.

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@Zelink:

If you roleblocked someone last Night, I'd like to know whom.

[Magua]

I assume it's TSO, but I'd rather you specify it completely rather than evade for apparently no reason.

Also, if you didn't roleblock anyone, that is useful information that I would find to be useful.

[Magua]

@TSO:

Why do you think vezok is town? You didn't think he was town yesterday when I asked you in the PT.

[Magua]

I am confused, as vezok claimed to have protected Metal Sonic N2 as well, yet you were still scumreading him D3, so that can't be it. The protection obviously can't be confirmed, so why does his claiming to have protected Metal N3 make any difference in your read vs N2?

[Magua]

So on this page you made post 6592, and didn't see vezok's post ten posts up in 6582?

[Magua]

So then do you think mastin is scum?

Who else do you think is scum?

AFAIK without going back through your ISO your scumreads have been mastin + anyone who called you scum.

[Magua]

Ok.

TWIE, fine.

Metal Sonic: Do you think he daykilled his buddy PeregrineV for towncred?

Assume there's three scum remaining (could also be four). Taking aside TWIE and MS, who else do you think it is?

Alternatively, who do you think is definitely town?

[Magua]

Given a lack of 3rd party kills, tbqh I wouldn't care if Metal Sonic were to claim chinese racist. I'd be like, "Great, let's arrange things so that you win with town."

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Why do you thin kaceofspades is town, and why do you think xombie is town?

[Magua]

@mastin / mastin's PT:

Why were you all "don't target me N1, it'll be super bad"?

[Magua]

@dramonic:

It's been 10 days since theaceofspades posted. Please prod the living bejeezus out of him. And FourTrouble too, while we're at it.

[Magua]

Are we just quoting random things now? I love that game!

[Magua]

I'll translate for Imperium: "A newb scum would not believe their role could confirm them as town because they are not town."

Carry on.

[Magua]

He's useless and has provided minimal content?

I found his tone slightly more believable than yours D2/D3. But there's really nothing there, and I am not opposed to his death at all.

[Magua]

The reason that Blonde said that, is because at some point in this game I will be confirmed town. I just dont really have that much control over when that happens.

That's a pretty good evasion method; the indefiniteness of it will probably carry you to LyLo regions.

I'd give you 8/10 for it.

This is amusing to me, as it is

almost

the exact same thing you were trying to do earlier.

[Magua]

ZZZX, is Drixx town?

[Magua]

ZZZX, is Drixx town?

[Magua]

ZZZX, is Drixx town?

Yes.. ?

And mastin is town, too, yes?

Like, you're sure, if you were in three-way lylo with you, mastin, and Drixx, you'd be all, "Guess it's a bastard mod let's no lynch" type of deal?

[Magua]

Really just want this Day to end.

Whiplash from TSO-doing-nothing to TSO-full-on-defense doesn't leave me with the warm and fuzzies. I appreciate the increase in activities and giving-a-shit levels, but too much of it feels like "attacking whoever attacks me" and none of it feels like "trying to figure out the game."

I like Zel1nk's postings, but the spammage of the game between Zel1nk, TSO, and Imperium is just making this a chore and I really wish you all would engage the stop talking button every once in awhile. Especially Zel1nk-trying-to-convince-TSO-he's-scum and TSO-trying-to-convince-Zel1nk-he's-stupid.

[Magua]

Level of read is depressingly low on TWIE, ooba, farside's-replacement-whom-I've-forogtten-already, theaceofspades, and Skybird.

Like it's so easy to get drowned out in the noise that those people are barely talking.

[Magua]

TWIE, I think you're scum and want you to die.

Well, actually, I don't care if you're scum or not, and just want you to die.

We're like eighty billion posts into this game and you've not placed a vote or given a shit or said anything of value. I have zero idea of who you think is town or who you think is scum so die die die.

[Magua]

What are you waiting on Fourtrouble for?

You think mastin is town and ZZZX is town, but Drixx is scum, despite both mastin and ZZZX both saying they'd rather drink poison koolaid than consider Drixx as scum?

[Magua]

I'm not asking from mastins'

BEEEEES!

claim, I'm asking from mastin's play where she repeatedly calls Xombie superconftown. ZZZX says likewise in eg 6096 so it seems a simple conclusion to draw that there is information in their neighborhood that is not being shared.

[Magua]

As much as I want to end the Day, I want theaceofspades replaced and FourTrouble either replaced or posting first.

[Magua]

You're cheeky. If you posted more content, I'd even like it.

[Magua]

What will be fun?

[Magua]

I'm gonna sheep Magua/Imperium. Who are we lynching?

This is a terrible plan and I really wish you wouldn't.

Nothing's changed in the past week, really, so don't worry about the 80-or-whatever pages.

Especially if you haven't picked a target yet, I'd like to keep options open at this point.

Who do you think is scum, or, who do *you* want to lynch today?

[Magua]

Hey.

TSO.

Hey.

Two questions.

Question one. Assume vezokpiraka is town. Who would you prefer to lynch?

Question two. You did absolutely fuck all nothing until you came under pressure, at which point you explode with defense. Why should I think you're town at all? Smarmy answers like "I'm town" or "because I'm awesome" can be discarded immedaitely.

[Magua]

That's L-1 and I don't want a lynch until TAOS is replaced so kindly unvote.

[Magua]

Because he's one of the people that I am considering lynching, and I very much look forward to a replacement explaining the slot's actions.

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The level of caring about either of your claims at this point is zero, as I have ---><--- reason to think either of you is telling the truth at all.

[Magua]

I think you're emotionally uninvested in the game, which renders all of your posts null. You're definitely not exerting effort to try and win.

Your reads list doesn't make sense to me with you thinking mastin-town and ZZZX-town but Drixx-scum. Your scumreads seem too pat in the inactive, with easy targets.

So, yeah.

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Saying, essentially, "guiz don't lynch me" is not a helpful post, but I do not see it as a scumclaim.

[Magua]

A possibility, but I found Skybird claiming kill-redirector to her neigborhood and then indignation over that info being outted to be townish.

[Magua]

TWIE starts it in 6162

Skybird starts responding in 6201.

Skybird's anger at TWIE outting elements of her role reads as sincere.

[Magua]

So if you were me, would you-as-me lynch you-as-you?

[Magua]

I am glad that you're approving of me doing what I was going to do anyway.

[Magua]

Skybird, who, besides TSO, is scum?

Who is town?

[Magua]

TSO, I don't understand.

I don't understand why you didn't fucking claim this in the PT when I asked.

And I don't understand your "win lylo" plan. You expected them to hammer you and then be all "Time for scum victory with my partners X and Y" and then you'd be like "But I'm not dead, suckers!" and then they'd be like, "Well, we'll shoot someone tonight and still win"?

[Magua]

Also if this ends the Day before TAOS is replaced I will be fucking livid.

[Magua]

We don't know.

@Mod: Vote count plz

[Magua]

Actually, while TSO might find the comparison a bit offensive, I actually find his stated plan to not only be plausible, but also highly mastinesque.

I also find it to be highly mastinesque!

"Guys I have a secret role information that'll totally win it in lylo" -> Check
Sticking to story despite disbelief from other players -> Check
"No I can't tell you you gotta trust me" -> Check
When info is finally claimed, is shown that it would not totally win it in lylo -> Check

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Like, seriously.

Also, like seriously, you saying this *after* he's been lynched[1] is not really useful in any way. Like, your push on Espeonage is fantastically more useful. What you think of Heartless, ooba, Skybird, and theaceofspades would also be fantastically more useful.

[1] Assuming we do, in fact, still have a mod.

[Magua]

I'll reiterate, for the record, a super strong ooba scumread.

[Magua]

YES

EVERYTHING I FUCKING DONT KNOW

MEANS

I DONT FUCKING KNOW IT

AND SO FAR THE TRACK RECORD FOR "TRUST ME GUIZ THIS WILL WIN THE GAME 10000000000%"

HAS

BEEN

FUCKING

ZERO

[Magua]

Like.

Fucking goddamn seriously.

If you have something actually fucking useful, THEN YOU SHOULD JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT AND NOT RESPOND.

And if you don't, which I'm pretty sure is the case, THEN YOU SHOULD JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT AND NOT RESPOND.

But this whole bullshit of HA HA I KNOW SHIT OH MY GOD SCUM YOU SHOULD KILL ME BECAUSE I KNOW THINGS isn't going to fucking work so just. Stop. For. The. Love. Of. Christ.

[Magua]

I'm not voting goddamn anyone because I didn't want the Day to end without theaceofspades getting replaced but welp that's not happening.

Were I voting I'd be voting ooba.

[Magua]

Hooray.

*Now* can we not lynch until theaceofspades is repalced? That'd be super.

VOTE: ooba

[Magua]

Good thing I enjoy a challenge.

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@TWIE:

Lynching taos is fine. Still don't want to do it before he's replaced.

[Magua]

Can someone please explain to me why we think Vezok is town? In ISO, he looks like the very definition of a modern major scumgeneral.

If you think he's town, you should vote him.

Why do you care what other people think?