SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

Heartless · Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:48 pm

In post 4125, Solar Wind wrote:I think he would be more likely to kill a threat to him rather than a generally agreed upon lurker?

yeah, i know, what POSSIBLE motivation would racist-sonic have to look like a town day vig while killing OUTSIDE HIS NEIGHBORHOOD?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Heartless · Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:32 am

In post 4115, Solar Wind wrote:I don't see you and TTH collaborating to solve the game.

One does not

collaborate

with Antihero; one

tolerates

him.

Heartless · Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:40 am

In post 3893, Heartless wrote:VOTE: rachmarie

In post 3986, Heartless wrote:VOTE: skybird

No, no,

NO

! ACK!
UNVOTE:

By herself, RachMarie doesn't look that great, but there's no

good

unified theory that has her as a solution. I also recall not caring for a couple things BRantz said and a couple things Skybird herself said; one of them was the whole "flashwagon me" thing at the end of the day yesterday. I also hate the fact she's parking her vote onto beastcharizard and labeling him a low-content poster when she's not exactly doing that much herself. My reads are so

fragmented

, though, and I

hate

that.

Heartless · Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:11 am

In post 4181, vezokpiraka wrote:Why is theace wagon so hard to get going?

I don't know and I'm starting to wonder if that's why I'm having so much trouble. I've been approaching this game under the assumption he's town and that might be why all the resulting reads are fucked up.

Heartless · Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:14 am

In post 3326, Imperium wrote:Okay, so I have a theory on the aceofspades. Yesterday at lynch time he said that he could double vote when it looked like we might get a no vote. When I asked him if it would show up in the vote count, he didn't know. And then he said that he did activate his double vote, and if you look at the vote count he does not show up as a double voter.

So, I have two things. I think that if he were scum that his buddies would have clarified how his role worked because it's a rather powerful role for scum. And having a secret voter/double voter is great for causing confusion in the town. He said he had it ahead of time and could use it. I think if he were scum he would have just quietly sent in that double vote instead of outing it.

See, this is what

I

was thinking. Regardless of behavior, the role itself and how he chose to claim and use it points to town.

Does he not show up as a double voter on the vote count? I was under the impression that's the only reason the AP lynch went through. :S

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:39 am

In post 4253, Metal Sonic wrote:Heartless too but I cannot read antihero for shit

fucking why?

seriously

i want to know why

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:40 am

get over yourself

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:06 am

fuck it just lynch the slot and save dram the trouble

VOTE: rach

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:38 am

ooba. mastin. money and mouth need to meet.

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:15 am

In post 4212, farside22 wrote:I need everyone's top 3 scum reads asap!

Mine are RachMarie, Skybird, and Solar Wind.

In post 4115, Solar Wind wrote:Anti, I'm reading you guys ISO and I'm hoping to see the town and some kind of revelation where it clicks that you are town and I haven't seen it yet.
You came in scumreading Metal Sonic when he wasn't in the game and who we now know is not mafia. Then you scumread us when we've been as town as we could be. You accuse us of not voting as if you had never played with either head of this hydra before. There's no coherent thought process. I don't see you and TTH collaborating to solve the game. I don't see the fire or the passion. What's going on?

Sorry, but someone who doesn't have a vote out and has this bad a case of hydra dissonance doesn't get to lecture Anti and I about "collaboration" and is the last person to be talking about "fire or passion." Big chunks of text and spamming don't make you pro-town. It's true that Anti hasn't really hit his stride yet, but I can't really blame him in a game this large and log-jammed. The time for wagon formation is now and at least Anti is attempting to get something going

to

analyze later, which is more than I can say for either of you.

For instance, what happened to the Cephrir push? Yesterday, I saw huge chunks to text devoted to saying how obvscum Ceph was and how he needed death

that day.

Apparently, that got stopped in its tracks by a soft-claim (Post 1819)? I wouldn't think that would be alignment indicative in a role madness game, though. You even said this yourself. You go on to take shots at Ceph, calling him Tammy's "boy toy" at one point but I see no evidence of the read progressing much further with you.

I guess what irks me the most is that you post a lot, but you choose to comment on a lot of stupid bullshit. When it comes to important things, I can't suss them out of your ISO. For example, the read on mastin. That was sitting at a scum read yesterday but today it's gone into this hazy grey area. You can say the same about reads on us, ooba, and Cephrir. These aren't just piss-pot, lurking side players either; these are key slots. You're sitting still while everything should be moving forward. If you want to chalk it up to play style, that's fine. But considering you want to use this excuse for yourselves, it's hypocritical when you start dishing out abuse to Anti over the threatened govern at the end of yesterday and now that he's somehow not doing enough to stick a firecracker up everyone's ass. It pisses me off and it's kind of why I'm being a bit of bitch about this. None of what I'm saying is untrue though, and not a single person in this thread is even attempting to refute it at this point. It's just a difference in interpretation and conclusion.

In post 4064, mastin2 wrote:Well, could be fond-of-distancing-but-not-bussing, as in, they didn't want to actually LYNCH their scum partner,
It could be they continued TO bus, just switching to help keep the wagon from going through,
Or it could be they just reconsidered and decided bussing was too much a risk.

That would seem plausible to me if you completely ignored the time frame. They played chicken up to the deadline and then switched off again? Why? What do you think about the role usage Imperium and I are talking about?

The Rach vote is good with me and that's where I'll be leaving it. My first read-through read on Rach was mostly influenced by farside and her attack. Peregrine's flip has made me reconsider that read though. :S

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:55 am

Nacho, is that you?

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:07 am

In post 4283, Imperium wrote:Nope.

Well then hi there Tammy! I'm TTH.

I know you've got something going on with F16 and I'm not trying to poke that hornet's nest. But, I would appreciate it if you or Nacho gave your 100% bullshit-free read on Solar Wind. Thanks in advance!

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:08 am

mastin, same with you. I'm getting to the bottom of this.

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:23 am

When Nacho gets in here, tell him to tell me more about that.

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:27 am

Nacho dearie, I see you at the bottom of the page! ^_^

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:12 pm

Alright, then.

Could you please outline their reads on: mastin, Cephrir, FourTrouble?

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:17 pm

In post 4306, Heartless wrote:Alright, then.

Could you please outline their reads on: mastin, Cephrir, FourTrouble?

I didn't ask for your read, I asked for theirs.

If everything you're telling me right now is true, I should be able to track all these reads pretty easily.

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:32 pm

farside, how did Rach end up getting left out of your trio?

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:41 pm

VOTE: beastcharizard

It's little more than policy, but it's the best of the three.

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:25 pm

farside, I really wish you told us about this before you actually did it.

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:38 pm

Metal Sonic wrote:If beast is scum wouldn't there be more resistance

Or is he another PV bomb

I hate you.

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:20 pm

In post 4322, farside22 wrote:Why?

So we could've deliberated a little more on the choices. I'm not trilled with any of them.

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:20 pm

In post 4329, Imperium wrote:
In post 4313, Imperium wrote:
In post 4309, Heartless wrote:
In post 4306, Heartless wrote:Alright, then.

Could you please outline their reads on: mastin, Cephrir, FourTrouble?

I didn't ask for your read, I asked for theirs.

If everything you're telling me right now is true, I should be able to track all these reads pretty easily.

That was their read, they can correct me if I'm wrong.
if you can't track that in thread, well Tammy can maybe help you but there's no way in hell I'm going through and picking out things from ISO on mobile unless you have a fucking fantastic reason for me to do so

You don't want this do you?

In post 4330, Imperium wrote:I mean to heartless. Was Nacho's reasoning good enough?

Not yet. I'm letting it sink in.

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:51 pm

@_@
I'm sorry?

Could you please link me to what you're talking about? I'm looking in ooba's ISO, but I don't think I'm looking in the right place.

Heartless · Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:20 pm

In post 4339, Metal Sonic wrote:Spooked by consensus. Not scum.

It's not even a consensus, are you kidding me?!

Heartless · Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:36 am

lol metal

i was wondering how long it would take for you to piss tth off

Heartless · Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:19 am

In post 4399, Metal Sonic wrote:Jose whedln mafia is over. I'd be scum reading antihero slot right about now, but I got burned.

yeah and, just like then, there would be no fucking reason for it

Heartless · Wed Feb 18, 2015 12:15 pm

/ugh, have to look at td again.... fja;okoim;u84afpp93aufhapibvnjam;dsk

or i can sit on my ass and wait for tth to do it for me

yeah... i might do that

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:38 am

In post 4595, Imperium wrote:TWIE, Heartless, skybird, theaceofspades, TD if any of you could do anything that would be swell.

You have to wait a few hours for Anti then because I can't do this right now.

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:05 pm

In post 3084, TiphaineDeath wrote:Yeah, I'm not going to read 20 odd pages of this Bullshit, I roleblocked mastin and there was no nightkill. VOTE: mastin

In post 3086, TiphaineDeath wrote:Not scum, not dumb, mastin is a great player and I have her pegged as scum, why would I let things she says(being a great player) sway me from that?

And the only reason you would not be able to target me with day abilities is if you either don't have any or whatever being covered in brambles has done to me, I have nothing to do with it.

In post 3088, TiphaineDeath wrote:...... I think given how much people trust her and how much she was asking not to be targeted groupscum would find her the perfect choice to send out for a kill. And also, THERE WASN'T A GODDAMNED KILL!

In post 3090, TiphaineDeath wrote:Yeah but see, no one but me would be "dumb" enough to target her.

In post 3091, TiphaineDeath wrote:And running in to watcher is so ridiculously unlikely. You're scum with her aren't you?

In post 3094, TiphaineDeath wrote:Just once I'd like for the thing that is supposed to be true to just be true.

alright... td voters

^^^^^^^^^^^^does that realistically come from scum?

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:07 pm

VOTE: fourtrouble

i'll actually do this

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:28 pm

In post 4307, Imperium wrote:There wasn't a player in the game who put more effort into sorting players in the beginning of the game, and the effort had the drive and conviction and push towards perfection I would expect from the slot as town. The interaction with us throughout the entire game would take a level of blatant lying that seems pretty difficult to fake, the amount of pushing in general and the depth to which these many pushes have been developed are additionally outside the realm of what a majority of the site (everyone on the site?) is capable of forming and creating as scum. But the reason I say that I need to know the more definitive reasons why you're finding solar wind as scum is because a majority of your case seems more annoyance with the slot than a scum read of it and if I'm wrong in that assumption I need major help in correcting it because going through ISOs on mobile sucks donkey balls.

i'm going to pick up on this

i'm getting the feeling that whatever you're seeing in the neighborhood is influencing this because there's nothing in this thread i'm seeing that's SO FAR beyond the scum repertoire of a decent scumplayer, especially someone like f16.

NACHO, WE CAN'T SEE WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD

the problems tth originally had with them is that they're REACTIVE and i kind of see that. hell, look at the way they reacted to tth. she brings up scumreading them and then f16 SUDDENLY he does an iso of me and... /fart... he doesn't like what he sees? something about a revelation...? something about tth and i working together...? it's cobbled together buzzwords. and if you want to say "oh they need the hammer for their ultimate" or whatever, that's fine, but i don't recall a sphincteritis about voting from EITHER ffery or f16 in games i've played w/ them.

are there all these developed reads in the pantheon that i'm just not seeing? i don't even give a shit what they are, do they exist?

and here's what we're talking about...

f16/ffery

what are ya'll doing RIGHT NOW?

there are 3 choices on the table. beast has someone vouching for him. td looks a lot more town than ft.
why is ft so untouchable? if you look at the pv interactions, they actually aren't great, ESPECIALLY AFTER the pv flip.

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:56 pm

In post 4609, Cephrir wrote:What games have YOU been playing?

serum and steel

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:58 pm

In post 4616, Solar Wind wrote:I'm worried about you guys because you aren't doing anything or affecting the game in a productive way. Everytime I express concerns with you guys, TTH shows up to lecture me but where's the content? Where are the reads? It feels like pulling teeth and I'm not seeing the pro-activeness in game-solving from you guys at all.

we posted reads

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:00 pm

In post 4616, Solar Wind wrote:FT if scum could easily bus PV. If he thought that PV was a liability to his team, he'd sooner bus than claim that past experience with PV made him cautious of PV. And I looked through his games: he did in fact play with town and scum PV and PV's play was fairly low-activity in both games as far as I recall. I'm not as sure in my townread of FT though and that's bugging me a little but not enough to vote him today.

i don't know how you could even begin to think you could predict something like this w/ any kind of accuracy

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:00 pm

In post 4619, Solar Wind wrote:You posted a list of reads which you haven't explained. What I'm not seeing is pro-activeness in pushing players that you find scummy.

i'm doing that and you're giving me lip about how they're either not mafia or OMG THEY WEREN'T IN THE GAME AT THE TIME

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:02 pm

In post 4619, Solar Wind wrote:You posted a list of reads which you haven't explained.

they're as well explained as your current reads

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:03 pm

was it clear at that point pv was getting lynched?

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:09 pm

In post 4626, Cephrir wrote:Heartless has been a little more proactive in the neighborhood than they have been here, and that makes me feel a little better than I would otherwise, but they still worry me a bit. Nonetheless, it isn't really at the brim of my radar (pretend this analogy made sense please thanks) and I expect I'll have a lot more to read them on by the time I would start to get worried about things as they are now. If that makes any sense.

that's b/c in here is a fucking madhouse and nothing gets done. we can at least find SOME common ground in there.

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:14 pm

lol, i love this retroactive thing about how ppl thought pere was scummy and he never was in danger of being lynched

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:25 pm

In post 4632, mastin2 wrote:
In post 4626, Cephrir wrote:Heartless has been a little more proactive in the neighborhood than they have been here, and that makes me feel a little better than I would otherwise, but they still worry me a bit. Nonetheless, it isn't really at the brim of my radar (pretend this analogy made sense please thanks) and I expect I'll have a lot more to read them on by the time I would start to get worried about things as they are now. If that makes any sense.
Funny, because it makes me feel the opposite.

HERE.
ACTIVITY.
IN.
HERE.

(Unless you have
damn
good reason not to.)

well ok mastin YOU want to talk about anything specific?

here, i just wrote this in the neighborhood, i'll post it out here:
seriously, i think the only productivity we've gotten out of solar wind is for them to defend themselves from us

it's starting to piss me off b/c tth had presented reads () and f16 hasn't said jack of shit. he also demands for her to follow this bullshit rule of OMG WHY DON'T YOU JUST ASK and he's not doing the same thing himself he just wants to crack out the big red "SCUM" stamp on us whenever tth pipes up.

we've also spent a pretty great deal talking about THEM. but... i don't know apparently we're just sledgehammering on that b/c lol contrarianism

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:29 pm

In post 1548, FourTrouble wrote:Ffery, I agree with your strong town list. I'd add ooba, farside, and iHouse to it. What did you think of my analysis re: TD? Also, I agree with this:

In post 1520, Solar Wind wrote:18. The Mask - this is a pretty null read. I feel like the abrasiveness is an over the top affectation, and there's very little meat beyond that in his iso.

I've been trying to get a read on Mask since he made his first appearance. There isn't much of a long-term scum strategy behind insulting everyone, so that feels more towny than scummy. But his emotion and content absolutely feels empty. As far as I can tell, he's scumreading me based on my style, so it's almost like he's setting up a dichotomy between his mode of communication (over-the-top emotion) and mine (understated emotion). Or, for example, he says my posts are "polished/prim," which I suppose means he thinks I'm putting effort into the game. He's not putting effort into the game, apparently hates everyone and hates reading through the game, so again he's setting up a dichotomy between my play and his. I dunno if that's a scum-tell (i.e. a very mechanical approach to "scumhunting" draped in an over-the-top expression of emotion definitely rings scummy), or if it just reflects a shitty townie's "FT's style is opposite mine, he must be scum"-style of scumhunting.

In post 1520, Solar Wind wrote:11. PeregrineV - I feel like pere always winds up here on day 1 due to heavy-duty lurking. It seems like even heavier duty than normal, though, with very little content

6. Beastcharizard - reading his iso, it's all posturing with no reasoning whatsoever about his stances. I could say the same about Mask, but in Mask's case I don't have any experiential meta to say this is off his usual town play. In beast's case I do.

Re: Pere -- I'm not lynching him Today. I think he's one of the easier players to read when he starts posting more (at least in my experience), so I'd rather wait on this.

Re: Beast -- I agree. His townread on TSO and vote on iHouse suck, especially in the absence of any other substantive content or vote. I'd be willing to vote there.

after the flip:

In post 3649, FourTrouble wrote:Pere was by far the most scummy in our neighborhood, so that flip doesn't surprise me.

so....... when was FT going to start this push????? he obviously was looking for something AS INDICATED IN 3649, HE FOUND IT. i don't know

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:39 pm

ACTUALLY
COUNTERPOINT TO SOLAR WIND

pv's role was that everyone on his wagon would be ROLEBLOCKED the following night.

THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD KIND OF DETER BUSSING TO ME

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:21 pm

In post 4641, Solar Wind wrote:
In post 4640, Heartless wrote:ACTUALLY
COUNTERPOINT TO SOLAR WIND

pv's role was that everyone on his wagon would be ROLEBLOCKED the following night.

THAT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD KIND OF DETER BUSSING TO ME

This is a good point.

You still haven't acknowledged that thing.

you can have the hammer, doesn't mean i have to like it. take it.

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:25 pm

In post 4652, Imperium wrote:
In post 4651, mastin2 wrote:(Now, third parties, sure, there can be more than one, but an actual scumteam? No.)

I don't think there's another scum team. Pere flipped mafia, but I thnk it's possible there are more racists. I mean was his role purely designed for ap to kill him?

i think the mass block might have had more scum utility than the day skip

Heartless · Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:06 pm

no intention of doing so anyway. quit micromanaging.

no mood

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:45 pm

In post 4704, FourTrouble wrote:Okay, so most of the neighborhoods have 4 players. So I'm guessing there's 6 neighborhoods?

In post 4705, FourTrouble wrote:Or 7? One with 3 players?

There's probably seven since there's seven pantheons in the video game.

I'm still more for a beastcharizard lynch, if for no other reason than to just save dramonic the trouble of finding a replacement. I think there's a decent chance all 3 of the people farside chose are town, though.

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:55 pm

Anti's estimate is five, so I'll go with that.

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 1:04 pm

In post 4714, mastin2 wrote:
In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6619077#p6619077]post 4713[/url], mastin2 wrote:Not Voting:
Rachmarie
,
Ankamius
, ZZZX, Solar Wind, beastcharizard, The Mask, Bitmap, Xombie,
TSO
, FourTrouble,
TiphaineDeath
As just a small sample selection.

With the exception of TD, this was the reads list I posted about half an hour ago in the pantheon PT.

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 1:06 pm

In post 4715, FourTrouble wrote:With 7 neighborhoods, that means at least 2 neighborhoods are all town. I'm thinking 6 mafia makes more sense. That would mean at least 1 neighborhood is all town. Of course, there could be neighborhoods with multiple mafia, and more all town neighborhoods.

Thought I had that I also posted in the PT:
If Metal Sonic really is a racist, I think it's likely the rest of his and AP's pantheons are all town. My current reads mostly support that anyway and it makes sense from a game theory standpoint.

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 1:07 pm

In post 4717, T S O wrote:Mastin, if people thought you were so good, why did AP get lynched despite you trying 100% for hours to stop it?

T S O wrote:That would pretty heavily suggest that, no, people don't particularly put much stock in your opinions these days.

People who stir the shit pot should have to lick the spoon.

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 1:09 pm

So what's the implication here TSO? Are you calling mastin scum?

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:25 pm

In post 4744, FourTrouble wrote:Which just leaves the Ceph/Ooba/Heartless/Rach neighborhood, which is tough, because any one of them could be scum, based on the analysis. At least one of these players is mafia, and if there's any neighborhood where there's 2, this is probably it.

Funny, I think the same exact thing about your neighborhood.

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:29 pm

In post 4744, FourTrouble wrote:The Mask/AP/Ace neighborhood is a slam dunk for us, because AP flipped already, and Mask is very likely town. Which leaves Ace as almost certain to flip scum, via poe -- so Ace goes is in my scum pile.

My intuition tells me the exact opposite.

I think someone

with the ability to kill

that has a vested interest in protecting scum would likely knock the balance of the game greatly in favor of scum.

This leads me to the conclusion that the rest of the Norse neighborhood is very likely town. If Metal is a racist, I also think the rest of the Chinese neighborhood is likely town.

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:32 pm

This. Isn't. Anti. >:(

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:34 pm

Well... thanks anyway. :\

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:40 pm

Solar Wind

I'm still thinking about the mastin and Cephrir reads, but I'd like to talk for a second about what happened in your hydra yesterday with Peregrine. From what I'm understanding, fferyllt was scumreading Peregrine and F-16 was townreading (?) him. At least that's the category Peregrine was in for the reads list he made yesterday.

What exactly happened

inside the hydra

at the end of yesterday to where Peregrine fell through the cracks? Did F-16 say something compelling that made him win out on that read? Please walk me through that.

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:55 pm

In post 4759, Metal Sonic wrote:@fourtrouble
If anyone is scum in my hood it's TWIE, not skybird. But probably all town.

Really?

Would you be open to lynching/killing TWIE?

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:57 pm

That's what I thought.

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:03 pm

My working theory for the remaining scum are: Solar Wind, Ankamius, TSO, and RachMarie.

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:31 pm

In post 4766, Metal Sonic wrote:That implies that none of the current lynch candidates are scum.

Excellent deduction! It does.

Spoiler:

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:35 pm

In post 4768, Solar Wind wrote:Yes. You can read that as a threatening stance. I half expect us to be dead tomorrow, and I don't want town to think you aren't still of concern.

Well you can try engaging Anti, who both you and F-16 have a pretty good deal of experience with (you have yet to do this). The "concern" over the nightkill isn't doing anything for me, either.

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:45 pm

You can't even talk to me without getting defensive and redirecting back to your "suspicion" of me.
Your rhetoric about "interacting" and being "proactive" is insincere at best and hypocritical at worst.

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:46 pm

What's your read on Ankamius?

Heartless · Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:59 pm

I don't know about Antihero but "changing your mind" is pretty damn low on my priority list.

I'll also go out on a limb here and wager you'll be here a while.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:40 am

In post 4787, ZZZX wrote:
In post 4779, Heartless wrote:I don't know about Antihero but "changing your mind" is pretty damn low on my priority list.

I'll also go out on a limb here and wager you'll be here a while.

Shouldnt convincing people of what you believe in a pretty important thing for town thou?

Convincing scum they're scum? No.

And this is the only thing you have to comment on?

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:57 am

In post 4786, mastin2 wrote:Know how you always seem to be on to something?
Always have fairly good reads when you get down to it?
But there's a small imperfection keeping it from being perfect?

Pretty sure that imperfection's Solar Wind.

I actually think it rounds out the ensemble pretty well. The TSO stance Solar Wind just gave was wibbly-wobbly and uninformative. They've been inexplicably town reading the other two for reasons that are never re-evaluated.

How about you, mastin? What's the allure of Solar Wind to you? The only substantive read I can seem to get out of them is when I talk about scumreading them in the thread and then I get vague threats like this: "I'd like you to convince us that you're town. Both of us have concerns." And the precise points he's scumreading us for are never explained even though we're expected to be asking

oh-so-nicely

about the mastin and Cephrir reads that sailed off the edge of the map.

It's all bullshit. There's no Wizard, mastin. It's a man behind a goddamn curtain.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:59 am

In post 4803, Solar Wind wrote:
In post 4801, Heartless wrote:
In post 4787, ZZZX wrote:
In post 4779, Heartless wrote:I don't know about Antihero but "changing your mind" is pretty damn low on my priority list.

I'll also go out on a limb here and wager you'll be here a while.

Shouldnt convincing people of what you believe in a pretty important thing for town thou?

Convincing scum they're scum? No.

And this is the only thing you have to comment on?

I'd like you to convince us that you're town. Both of us have concerns.

What's your read on Ankamius and who's scum?

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:16 am

And you still use the opportunity to throw shade back at me while giving as few other reads as possible.

No mention of who else is in the "bucket." I suppose I'd have to ask for them, but I'm not getting sucked into that game.

I'm finished here. You may have your meta manipulated and everyone else fooled, but you don't have me fooled.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:34 am

In post 4818, Cephrir wrote:Also, I'm tempted to start replacing out of these 500 neighbors games until people stop neighborhood speccing.

You might as well go outside and roll a bunch of dice on the ground.

Dice are for losers.

Chicken entrails are where it's at.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:35 am

In post 4813, Solar Wind wrote:
In post 4807, Heartless wrote:
And you still use the opportunity to throw shade back at me while giving as few other reads as possible.
No mention of who else is in the "bucket." I suppose I'd have to ask for them, but I'm not getting sucked into that game.

I'm finished here. You may have your meta manipulated and everyone else fooled, but you don't have me fooled.

I'm not townreading you. Has nothing to do with shade. Has to do with distrust.

The players I'm paranoid about are Ceph and Mastin.

In post 4817, Solar Wind wrote:Anti, you should probably get in here and talk. It's not going to go well if we are erroneously scumreading you guys.

This is just getting sad.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:38 am

In post 4819, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4817, Solar Wind wrote:Anti, you should probably get in here and talk. It's not going to go well if we are erroneously scumreading you guys.

You do realize this is exactly the kind of vague threat that's been pissing them off, right?

And it reinforces the idea that they're playing to a certain meta and

they're well aware of it.

They couldn't have given less than a shit about Anti and what he had to say when he was in here before but

suddenly

they want him in here because he's got all this great meta knowledge that's going to help them out.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:39 am

In post 4822, Solar Wind wrote:
In post 4819, Cephrir wrote:
In post 4817, Solar Wind wrote:Anti, you should probably get in here and talk. It's not going to go well if we are erroneously scumreading you guys.

You do realize this is exactly the kind of vague threat that's been pissing them off, right?

I do. What do you think has been pissing me off?

That you expect to be townread by everyone who knows your game because you've been playing to your town meta and I'm not letting you get away with it.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:42 am

Anti hasn't been here all weekend and likely won't be here today.

Who else is there in the bucket besides us, mastin, and Ceph?

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:56 am

In post 4828, Solar Wind wrote:Ceph and mastin are it for my paranoia bucket. And you're not in the paranoia bucket. That's where you started the game day.

The way you're engaging all three of those are non-existent. What are you suddenly wanting from Anti now that you didn't before?

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:58 am

You scumlist is: us, maybe aceofspades, maybe beastcharizard, maybe TD if your neighborhood has scum.

Is that it?

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:08 am

In post 4832, Solar Wind wrote:Reactions and interactions. data. what makes you think I didn't want them before?

He posted

three

reads lists, two of them his and one of them mine, and we didn't hear the first peep from you. There's votes on skybird and Rach, who you supposedly would be scumreading if not for Nacho (?).

Solar Wind wrote:
In post 4831, Heartless wrote:You scumlist is: us, maybe aceofspades, maybe beastcharizard, maybe TD if your neighborhood has scum.

Is that it?

TSO, also. F-16 and I are overdue a synch, so things may change.

So, three popular or easy targets and the person suspecting you. Got it.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:20 am

How do you support the argument that you're first in line for the nightkill?

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:57 am

What's the reasoning behind the aceofspades's scumread?

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:37 am

But you're still paranoid of mastin...

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:41 am

That makes no sense.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:00 am

Right, so what happened with Ceph that made you think he's town?

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:05 am

In post 4851, Solar Wind wrote:Ceph is a read that f-16 and I couldn't agree on during day 1, and is probably still a read we don't agree on. He's done some intense buddying, and he did this weird thing where he sort of encouraged Rach to disregard one of my reads (Xombie I think, I'd have to look back to be sure) and then later did the same regarding f-16 ("you don't control FT")

On the town side of the ledger, what I'm seeing is the confusion, uncertainty, and occasional bouts of apathy that I associate with ceph-town. I don't think any of this is beyond his ability to emulate, but some of it has felt pretty sincere. The neighborhood stuff between him and ooba feels town, though, especially his backing away from a strong townread after day 1.

I think to F-16 the reasons to scumread Ceph outweigh the reasons to townread him. Not so for me, though it's close.

I was going to bed after staying up all night after being hungover all day. I probably still am.

F-16, what's your side of this?

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:49 am

In post 4870, Solar Wind wrote:I was hoping to provoke enough interaction to help us nail down the read thoroughly. I might have accomplished that. I'll see what f-16 thinks when he's around.

I saw a green dot next to F-16's name in sitechat, so I'm expecting this to be happening sometime soon.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:07 am

I'm asking how

your

read has developed. This has nothing to do with mediating an argument.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:10 am

Also, the point of asking these questions is to reveal that the core of your reads is bullshit, by the way, so be sure to shore up the hogwash with ffery before you make your next post, F-16.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:15 am

If you're both scumreading Ceph overall, which is what I gathered from ffery's reply, why did the Ceph push become lethargic Day 2 and what exactly is keeping him in the "paranoia basket" limbo?

That's what I meant when I asked for "your side." What's the read look like from your end of the hydra?

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:20 am

In post 4851, Solar Wind wrote:I think to F-16 the reasons to scumread Ceph outweigh the reasons to townread him. Not so for me, though it's close.

Correction. Ffery is townreading him and you're scumreading him.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:12 am

i see f-16 and ffery are having a nice sunday afternoon tussle with applejack here. what's going on now?

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:24 am

In post 4765, Heartless wrote:My working theory for the remaining scum are: Solar Wind, Ankamius, TSO, and RachMarie.

tso and ankamius fit the profile of backseat drivers to the peregrine day 1 wagon so i guess i could see those

rachmarie and solar wind are eehhhhhhhhhhhh. depends on if aceofspades is scum or not and i don't really know about that one.

the cohesion of this team is... feasible but, if you've seen me do the holistic scumhunting thing before (sabo), it doesn't really work

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:32 am

In post 4874, Solar Wind wrote:LOL

LOL, indeed

i think in the course of the conversation you had this morning/afternoon, you and ffery managed to hit EVERY SINGLE THING tth tends to scumread

that is an achievement

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:40 am

oh my god this conversation.... it's... it's taking a sad turn because i think i might know what's happening on both sides of the equation but i'm not sure

/sigh

ok.... i'll start here.

ffery. f-16.

forget my head of the hydra and forget my meta (s+s and joss whedon should've told you i'm hot and cold; and i recently fucked my town/scum meta anyway so it's p irrelevant at this point).
also forget the fact that it's you in her sights...

do either of you SERIOUSLY think tth is scummy? why?

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:56 am

a few things:

>we have 6 other games and we were scum in two and sk in one. so... your sample size in hydra meta is hilariously small and incomplete
>tth doesn't give a shit about meta and doesn't use it. she's saying that since YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY AWARE OF YOUR OWN META you invoking self-meta doesn't mean shit. this is a valid point regardless if you agree w/ her conclusion or not.
>i completely see where tth is coming from w/ her read on you and it fits the system she uses as town. i just don't know if she's getting to the right conclusion b/c there's a ton of hydra and neighborhood shit behind the scenes that are fill-in-the-blank

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:21 pm

quick capsule summary: i think tth thinks she has you and i think you're blinded by omgus.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:00 pm

In post 4904, Heartless wrote:quick capsule summary: i think tth thinks she has you and i think you're blinded by omgus.

expanding on this

what tth is probably scum reading from you:
>you stopped pushing ceph for reasons that aren't entirely apparent
>your scumread on ace isn't well explained
>when attacked, you turtle like a boss. you omgus and you ramp up your attack on our slot and it goes to a pretty absurd extent. (e.g. f-16's laughably bad "debate team" analogy, which was hilariously and needlessly defensive.)

(if i got any of this wrong, plz correct me tth)

i'm gonna' level with ya' ffery.

you want to call tth's push "superficial", but she's not wrong. you and f-16 are pretty dysfunctional this game. and f-16 is a lot more wishy-washy and less assertive than i'm used to seeing him. as either alignment.

now, before you go off on me... i'm not saying this in a judgmental way, i'm not saying it to be a prick NOR am i saying that tth and i are firing on all cylinders either. i completely acknowledge that (and that's all a failing on my end, btw)...
i think it's understandable to be stymied given the dynamic of everyone having a buttplug of "X iz so town NO WAGONZ HERE." everyone's divided and it's almost impossible to get a wagon going in this game for whatever reason. i also think the ap 3p flip and subsequent argument over that plays a role. mastin's trying to shield her ego and f-16's trying to shield his.

<more later>

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:51 pm

In post 4906, Solar Wind wrote:- So far, she has not made a credible push on any player in the game besides us (but even with us, it feels weak and insubstantial).

right, so what was the thing w/ metal sonic? (that you agreed with)

Solar Wind wrote:- I read through Open 581 and pointed it out to Ffery who largely agreed with my characterization that your play here is starkly different. Your response is that it is a small sample size. It is not just that. Mini 1625 gives much the same impression as do Open 576 and Micro 429. My sample size was not an excpetion. I don't see the same TTH in those games that I see here.

those are mini's and micro's, not 25 player larges.

- I'm going to read through Open 580 for your scumgame before I come to a conclusion. But I also read Mini 1635 where she was scum (as Southern Gothic) and her play was similar to here. Easily annoyed. The "stick up the butt" feel which she so often uses as a scumtell.

"easily annoyed" isn't alignment related. that's tied to mood. and considering she's softened on farside, the "stick up the butt" tell doesn't apply here

I'm not trying to shield my ego regarding the AP lynch. I can't speak for what Mastin is trying to do.

whatever, man

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:53 pm

In post 4908, Solar Wind wrote:
In post 4907, Cephrir wrote:As someone who's not you, I don't think the push feels weak and insubstantial.

If you are actually town here, let's get back to the "trying to learn not to invade other people sorting each other" thing you have going.

...so what were you saying about "stick up the butt"...?

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:28 pm

In post 4912, Heartless wrote:those are mini's and micro's, not 25 player larges.

to expand on this,

tth is extremely detail oriented and perfectionistic. in all our town/sk games, she always wants a "working theory" of the whole damn scumteam that makes sense and ANYTHING that deviates from that causes big fucking problems. each read flows into the other and they all support each other. in that open you read, outside the thread, we had fights about "who were the other two" (that's like her catch phrase) on EVERY SCUMREAD EVEN BEFORE THE GODDAMN kaboose flip; the gc scumread relied on the grib scumread and vice-versa so when one read is questionable, they all domino on each other. eventually she usually lands on somebody who flips scum and the rest of the team unravels from there.

...you can see how this presents a problem in a constipated 25 player game... it's a shit-ton of information to sift through. i knew this would be a problem, but i still think she's going to end up getting a hit soon.

ANYWAY............ OTHER STUFF IN A SEC

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:31 pm

In post 4914, Solar Wind wrote:
In post 4904, Heartless wrote:quick capsule summary: i think tth thinks she has you and i think you're blinded by omgus.

The initial push was me, though. And it was mostly just wanting you guys to show you were trying to get caught up. I feel like the omgus started in reaction to that push, and I've seen the same tone from tth in pretty much all our interactions since then. If there's omgus going on here it's not one-sided.
I think I've made it clear that I'm not tunneling you guys, though I've been scumreading you. Getting to the right answer is my goal.

HOLY SHIT, THIS IS NOT A COMPETITION
omgus is not a character weakness, it's human nature.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:45 pm

In post 4914, Solar Wind wrote:I think I've made it clear that I'm not tunneling you guys, though I've been scumreading you. Getting to the right answer is my goal.

^^^^^ok, i am telling you right now, shit like this is only going to make things worse and you're working against yourself if this is really your goal

you haven't made an effort to reach out to tth at all. you haven't asked about her other reads. the only thing you've done is snap back at her for scumreading you. and you put her on the defensive 12 hours after we replaced into the game, so your "well she started it" line doesn't really hold much water.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:07 pm

In post 4765, Heartless wrote:My working theory for the remaining scum are: Solar Wind, Ankamius, TSO, and RachMarie.

I ACTUALLY
think ankamius has the highest chance of flipping scum out of all these.

pv was on the short list of scum back in the reads list in Post 1536 and never left, but he was nowhere to be found in the vote. he even called farside's vote on him "town" (Post 847) but never cared to join the wagon (backseat driving the wagon). "Metal Sonic feels so null it hurts." is a weird sentence for someone as polarizing as metal sonic and that's out of place. there's also the fact that he stayed away from the aceofspades wagon like it had herpes Post 1542. and when i say "stayed away from it" i mean "it was the only person he didn't have a read on" even though THREE OF HIS FIVE SCUMREADS WERE VOTING THE WAGON SO HEY MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING. nope, apparently not.

he didn't bother to repeat or follow up on the questions to me when i posted my reads list. asking me about FT is also weird since i was town reading all his scum reads. the white-knighting of rach in Post 4022 isn't warranted and is pretty overdone. so is the WKing for beast; Post 4193, and for all the shit about wagon composition it didn't even end up seeming to matter anyway

the td vote doesn't follow from all the other reads. doesn't gel.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:08 pm

well, i would vote ankamius, but apparently someone had to activate their super happy funtime powers and then leave

awesome

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:24 pm

In post 4920, Solar Wind wrote:Hey, you know, she and I are going to have to learn how to figure each other out. I'm not going to change how I think about the game because she thinks it's scummy. It's been working (sorta, usually, etc) for me for quite a while.

You're right that I haven't asked her much, though I have agreed (in thread) with some things she posted, even when she was yelling about how scummy I am. I backed off because you guys weren't happy that I crowded you, and then later dropped back in the game a little after the gladiate because I'm not really happy with the lynch choices we have now.

I'm not going to change that tonight. I never did get to sleep today and I'm eventually going to drop off. I hope!

that's all well and good, but not

really

what i'm talking about. as someone who knows tth, i'm telling you that what you're doing is going to escalate things (and it's partially my fault, so i guess i can't give you crap)

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 3:42 pm

In post 4923, Solar Wind wrote:Ok.

But you're not really telling me what I need to not do, and I doubt I'd agree to stop if I
could
figure it out.

YOU DON'T

HAVE

TO CHANGE ANYTHING. i'm telling you this b/c i don't think you're scum and i'm not just going to go "oh fuck you have fun w/ tth." i'm telling you this b/c i think you/f16+tth just got off on the wrong foot for reasons beyond her control. i'm telling you this for when tth comes back in here and still thinks you're scum.

Heartless · Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:48 pm

love and hugs suck.

who needs 'em?

fuck those.

Heartless · Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:59 am

In post 4940, Solar Wind wrote:
In post 4805, Heartless wrote:who's scum?

f-16,

don't give me attitude about how "you're just trying to read us" and then start channeling metal sonic from joss whedon

you're not trying to read us

you're trying not to look weak

it's not really becoming

Heartless · Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:19 am

i don't think they're scum

i think they're butthurt that tth is calling them scum, esp. f-16, try as he may to deny it

Heartless · Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:31 am

In post 4952, Solar Wind wrote:We'll both probably laugh occasionally at them now that we think it's possible they're town and just misreading us. or tth is misreading us and whatever it is that Anti is doing.

let he who never misread someone cast the first stone

Heartless · Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:10 pm

In post 5003, FourTrouble wrote:Right now, I'm working with a theory that Beast/Ace/Heartless are scum. I think Heartless voting me doesn't square with their supposed massive scumread on Ankamius, and it only makes sense if you think they're defending beast. Ace's initial vote for beast, but then backtracking, also suggests an association with beast. Thoughts?

it doesn't square b/c the vote was mine from saturday and the scumread on ank is from tth on sunday

Heartless · Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:13 pm

the whole OMG HE SWITCHED SO SCUMZORZ is just ceph and solar over rationalizing the inevitable beast slot lynch to themselves as something awesome and great when it's really just the shiniest of three turds

i don't know what the fancy cognitive bias is called, but i'm sure there's a name for it

Heartless · Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:22 pm

also, i am defending beast, because the probability of that slot flipping scum is pretty low and now the case is just getting overhyped so that we don't have to be pissed about having to settle for a suboptimal lynch

other than that, yeah, of course the vote doesn't "square" with out scumreads because we're not scumreading any of you.

Heartless · Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:48 pm

In post 4996, FourTrouble wrote:So I'm not sure why you'd question Solar's ability to read me or predict how I play if you'd read these posts? Which is a problem.

not a problem at all

b/c, you see, at the core of all meta reads is squishy, stinky diarrhea. ALL. OF. THEM. yes, even yours, person reading this post. i'm talking to YOU SPECIFICALLY. it's all bullshit. all of it. that's because it's formed around this erroneous idea that you "know what someone would do" and it's formed around this set of "rules" that are rigid and don't factor in pretty important things (like... say... oh i don't know, THE FACT PV HAD A REALLY FUCKING WEIRD ROLE THAT PROBABLY WOULD INFLUENCE THE DAY PLAY AND BUSSING). and then to try to construct a hypothetical "this is what ft would do as scum" based on these "rules" is just fucking bananas because you're using something CRUDE AND GENERAL to try to predict something REALLY SPECIFIC AND PRECISE. it's like trying to hit a target the size of a dime from a mile away with a shotgun.

meta reads like that. suck. and are, for the most part, inaccurate.

FOR EXAMPLE, you just read our scumgame in jk9++

wanna' know how i got past mastin?

i gamed my meta.

as you saw, i didn't do anything town that game, but i did my damnedest to replicate my town posting style and that was enough because i stuck to "the rules" of what i did as town. it gave her a false sense of security because "wow, anti's posting like he's on pcp and he's got the right tone he always has as town so he must be town" BUT HEY SURPRISE SURPRISE i'm not a AI. i'm a human. and i'm very aware of my own meta.

so... yeah. when you want to start talking about meta, my response is, I WIPE MY ASS ON YOUR META and i don't give half a shit how well you know someone.

Heartless · Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:40 am

In post 5012, Metal Sonic wrote:So what is this?

all of the things i listed are things that scum are more likely to do overall

you're not a special snowflake because you do them as scum. a lot of people do.

Heartless · Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:50 am

In post 5018, Cephrir wrote:And FT is an optimal lynch in what universe?

it doesn't matter what i say, ft's not getting lynched. i moved the vote to ft on a whim anyway without telling tth. at this point we're just lallygagging with our vote and i fully expect tth to put it on ozgin sometime.

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:00 am

if td flips scum, i will pay homage to his enormous balls of steel

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:29 am

VOTE: ozgin

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:37 am

In post 5078, Imperium wrote:Why the fuck does TD-scum claim to have roleblocked mastin?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

that's what i said

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:38 am

i'd rather have a roleblocker/jk around than whatever vote thing oz is too

i could also lynch ft for having hilariously bad reads, i'm not really that picky right now

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:21 am

In post 5109, Solar Wind wrote:
In post 5092, Heartless wrote:i'd rather have a roleblocker/jk around than whatever vote thing oz is too

i could also lynch ft for having hilariously bad reads, i'm not really that picky right now

The Ooba analysis was spot on though. I'm not sure I agree with him but it is true that Ooba's read progression on him doesn't make sense and I would like it explained.

i'd be really surprised if ooba was scum and the progression isn't anything that's outside the realm of sanity for a however many day gap (i think it was 3 or 2 or something)

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:29 am

CEPH, YOU SACK OF SHIT

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING

WHAT

THE

FUCK

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:30 am

honestly, i just kind of want this day to be over so we can go back to voting whoever

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:37 am

yeah, pretty much

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:48 am

oh ok

HEY MASTIN, YOU GOON

SCUM ROLEBLOCKERS/JAILKEEPERS DON'T RUN INTO THE THREAD AND GO "OH HEY I BLOCKED YOU, NO KILL, NOW DIE"

I KNOW HE'S CALLING YOU SCUM AND I KNOW HE DOESN'T AGREE W/ YOUR READS BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE'S SCUM

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:52 am

FARSIDE WHAT IS THIS SHIT?

WHAT THE FUCK
IS
THIS
SHIT

YOU GLADIATE 3 PEOPLE WITHOUT TELLING US BEFOREHAND AND NOW YOU'RE VOTING SOMEONE W/ A CLAIMED ROLEBLOCK WHO CLAIMED IT IN THE TOWNIEST WAY POSSIBLE?

ARE YOU SHITTING ME?

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:54 am

In post 5135, FourTrouble wrote:
In post 5111, Heartless wrote:i'd be really surprised if ooba was scum and the progression isn't anything that's outside the realm of sanity for a however many day gap (i think it was 3 or 2 or something)

The progression is only half the story, but even there, you're wrong: there's no gap in days between 4250, and then voting me in 4298.

there's stuff in the neighborhood that fills that

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:57 am

In post 5136, FourTrouble wrote:
In post 5124, Heartless wrote:
FARSIDE WHAT IS THIS SHIT?

WHAT THE FUCK
IS
THIS
SHIT

YOU GLADIATE 3 PEOPLE WITHOUT TELLING US BEFOREHAND AND NOW YOU'RE VOTING SOMEONE W/ A CLAIMED ROLEBLOCK WHO CLAIMED IT IN THE TOWNIEST WAY POSSIBLE?

ARE YOU SHITTING ME?

What's the point of this post?

^what's the point of THIS post?

aside from showing you're not following the conversation

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:11 am

In post 5144, FourTrouble wrote:
In post 5141, Heartless wrote:
In post 5135, FourTrouble wrote:
In post 5111, Heartless wrote:i'd be really surprised if ooba was scum and the progression isn't anything that's outside the realm of sanity for a however many day gap (i think it was 3 or 2 or something)

The progression is only half the story, but even there, you're wrong: there's no gap in days between 4250, and then voting me in 4298.

there's stuff in the neighborhood that fills that

Stuff that changed his read on beast to strong town?

stuff that would explain him not voting you, yes

also, it fits the theme of "yelling at people on the td wagon" which is what i was doing at nacho's encouragement

...are you still left at a loss or what? what were you at a loss for?

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:11 am

*not voting beast

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:12 am

In post 5145, FourTrouble wrote:My post was a question. I think you know it's purpose (to get an answer which would help me understand something I don't understand). You didn't answer the question, so I'm still left at a loss.

also, it fits the theme of "yelling at people on the td wagon" which is what i was doing at nacho's encouragement

...are you still left at a loss or what? what were you at a loss for?
^this was to that post

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:14 am

I'm glad this game is now over so I can call F-16 on being full of shit about me only being annoyed when scum: Edgar Allan Poe. He knows good and well that's not the tell.

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:16 am

In post 5149, FourTrouble wrote:Why'd you yell at people on the TD wagon at Nacho's encouragement? What was the point of that?

...because i'm against the td wagon/td lynch ..........................

is there a point to this?

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:22 am

VOTE: fourtrouble

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:24 am

everyone who piled off can pile back on this is happening

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:27 am

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that is actually kinda' what you did, f16

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:31 am

In post 5159, Solar Wind wrote:Edgar Allen Poe is actually more reason why TTH doesn't feel town here. She was obviously town there.

...but you were scum........

._.

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:32 am

let's do some pleasure reading i guess

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:51 am

In post 5163, Imperium wrote:hey tth antihero does this f-16 look anything like your respective experiences with scum F-16? No? Man, it sucks you don't believe in meta.

s+s is different b/c it was multiball
i repress memories of joss whedon so don't ask me about that one

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:53 am

In post 5165, Imperium wrote:
In post 5155, Heartless wrote:VOTE: fourtrouble

this is your vote for boonskies all over again

In post 5166, Imperium wrote:And it fucking hurts me and I hate you all and that's why I spam.

fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine

VOTE: ozgin

as long as he doesn't launch into a series of questions about what color my boxers are

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:56 am

tammy and nacho can you please go ahead and talk to f16 and get to the bottom of whatever the fuck f16 is scumreading tth for b/c idgi

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:57 am

.... maybe not but it does influence ozgin vs td....

ok......how do i say this nicely.....

what the hell is up your ass this game, f16?

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:58 am

i haven't seen this from you.

as either alignment.

and i'm pretty fucking baffled by it

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:00 am

well fuck, it doesn't have to be nacho. it can be ceph, mastin, ..... dr. phil... anybody? i don't care at this point

you aren't talking to me and you sure shit aren't talking to tth so... i don't know who...

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:18 am

In post 5181, Solar Wind wrote:@ Anti, Post 5175 was directed at Tammy, not you.

i was very well aware of that when i wrote my response

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:41 am

yeah, i've actually been flicking through that poe game and i think tth kind of struggled that game... :\ this is p different than what i'm used to seeing and i'm kind of surprised.

most of her posts are short and choppy. her trademark chunky wall case (the one you just quoted) didn't come until... like... day 3

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:45 am

In post 5186, Solar Wind wrote:Yeah, okay. Not you too Anti. If you desert me and even suggest that Tammy is in the right with her argument with me, I'll feel like how Caesar felt when he saw Brutus stab in the back and said "Et tu, Brute." I'm already dealing with people like Nati, Cephrir, and Pieguyn pretending that Tammy is a princess and anytime she gets frustrated, the fault lies with the person that frustrated her and I'm sick and tired of everyone acting like it is all my fault. If you do it as well, I'd probably just quit the site and shoot myself with a nuclear warhead.

i don't know what the argument is about and i have no interest in "taking a side" or "assigning blame"

that's what i'm leaving this at

Heartless · Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:48 am

In post 5189, Solar Wind wrote:That's true. I don't know if it has been a recent playstyle shift. Although that Open was running simultaneously to POE so I'm not sure what the cause is. And it is not game size since they were both 13p.

/shrug

i mean... struggling in games just kind of happens sometimes. and it's not surprising she's struggling here. large games are hard enough but heap on role madness on that and it gets even harder.

hell, even I'M just kind of ambling around and not giving a fuck. i think the ank case is p solid but it's not like i can push it.

Heartless · Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:48 am

ffery's readslist is one i can get behind

Heartless · Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:03 pm

In post 5298, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
In post 5291, Heartless wrote:ffery's readslist is one i can get behind

I want to talk more about this because I felt your reads were a lot different. But I may be misremembering.

nah, not really

In post 5288, Solar Wind wrote:
Maybe Town

Skybird

TheWayItEnds - the degree of disengagement worries me a lot. Maybe he'll look more town when a normal lynch can happen.

Ankamius - whatever reasons I had for a townread feel very long ago and far away now.

Not So Town

Beast (least town of the available choices today imo)

T S O

TheAceOfSpades

Heartless · Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:51 pm

In post 5300, T S O wrote:I really feel people should stop pseudo-baiting Falcon - yes, Cephrir.

.......

the fuck is this?

Heartless · Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:53 pm

one that's simply... garbage

Heartless · Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:14 am

everyone on the ft wagon and everyone not voting needs to pick a side

next post

Heartless · Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:48 am

it's ok, counting is hard

In post 5128, dramonic wrote:
Votecount 41: I NEED SOME CYANIDE

Ozgin (8): Imperium, Skybird, FourTrouble, TheWayItEnds, Metal Sonic, Ankamius, Heartless, Cephrir
TiphaineDeath (7): Mastin2, TSO, Xombie, theaceofspades, farside22, Vezokpiraka, Ooba, The Mask
FourTrouble (2): magua, Ozgin

Not Voting: Rachmarie, ZZZX, Solar Wind, Bitmap, FourTrouble

23 alive means 12 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-03-02 00:00:00)

TD asked to be replaced ;_;

Heartless · Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:38 pm

In post 5354, theaceofspades wrote:i know we can't do anything. But solar wind's last couple pages give me the willies

oh my god, you really are scum

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:58 am

In post 5489, Cephrir wrote:If he is hammered, maybe Heartless will consider governing this. I really need to live to tonight so I can get a shot of my ult off.

can't do it after the fact

what's the vote count?

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:00 am

In post 5436, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:VOTE: Ozgin

this was vote 9, and it's 12 to lynch

everyone calm your titties

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:05 am

In post 5498, Ozgin wrote:
In post 5497, Cephrir wrote:Could they really just be that afraid of my role

Moreover, is ozgin seriously town

These are things I have trouble believing, so I have concluded he's doing it to spite me and/or is scum

I'm not even the god of love! I'm the god of death! Hence my votes being powered on peoples' deaths!

For fucks sake, I play Smite regularly. Look towards the Greek fucking Pantheon for whoever the hell Aphrodite is. They're the one who loverized us, and it probably scum because they want to get a 2-for-1 double town mislynch.

the way aphrodite's ultimate works, i would think it would be herself + whoever she targeted, not two outside ppl

two outside ppl makes more sense w/ cupid (roman)

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:22 am

when were you informed of the loverize?

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:57 am

I like your style F-16, but you got sloppy.

*tsk tsk*

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:01 am

In post 5507, Ozgin wrote:Andrius, F-16, or Espeonage are likely the culprits.

It was F-16.

*Cephrir was the focus of his suspect pool for a while now.
*F-16 absolutely insisted on having the hammer.
*F-16 happens to be on in the window of time when the loverize occurred.

I'm actually more inclined to make them think it was town-motivated, though.

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:01 am

Mod, is the votecount in 5509 correct?

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:14 am

UNVOTE:

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:18 am

I actually take that back. I think F-16's scum for this.

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:30 am

F-16, listen up.

You knew about the voting chicanery going into this. I'd like to know how. You also intended to cover your tracks on the loverize between Cephrir and Ozgin. I'd like to know why.

I'd also like a reason why I shouldn't govern Ozgin right now. You have one post.

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:47 am

Oh

I understand what happened now.

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:54 am

I take back my take back. I see what happened.

I don't take back F-16 being sloppy though.

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:48 am

i like where this is going

i have a good feeling

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:55 am

now it's more complicated because ceph's attached.

that wasn't part of the deal.

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:05 am

because i'm scum w/ him and i need to figure out how to save him now

duh

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:09 am

pending stuff

also, i guess i'm misunderstanding what "lover" means b/c that means if one dies the other does

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:22 am

In post 5573, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Where did you go, Anti?

to my scum qt

we're trying to figure out which one of us is going to kill you tonight

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:24 am

In post 5571, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:You too, Anti. Wouldn't you love a chance to prove that I'm scum?

/shrug

i don't think you are

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:32 am

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:40 am

In post 5592, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Uh, Anti. Why aren't you voting Ozgin?

because i can kill ozgin right now but tth might murder me if i do

eh

i might risk it

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:44 am

i can't do it AFTER a hammer, don't hammer

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:44 am

(it's not exactly a govern, close though)

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:49 pm

In post 5646, FourTrouble wrote:I still think chances Oz flips scum are much higher than chances TD flips scum.

...and i think they're both p close to zero...

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:51 pm

not happening metal sonic. apparently ft is everyone's houseplant.

'mkay, i'm ending the day

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:53 pm

i'm ending the day and killing td, you have anything else to say in the game thread?

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:57 pm

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 5:59 pm

In post 5662, Magua wrote:
In post 5659, Heartless wrote:i'm ending the day and killing td, you have anything else to say in the game thread?

Killing TD is bad plan bad mojo.

Don't be bad.

Be good.

honestly, i don't give a shit anymore i just want out of this day phase

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:01 pm

i COULD vote ft, but it would just be because i think he's annoying and has shitty reads and that's not really a good reason

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:02 pm

In post 5666, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 5659, Heartless wrote:i'm ending the day and killing td, you have anything else to say in the game thread?

So, you have a daykill too?

kinda' sorta' not really

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:07 pm

poe at this stage of the game is shit

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:10 pm

VOTE: fourtrouble

Heartless · Sun Mar 01, 2015 6:10 pm

In post 5674, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 5672, Heartless wrote:poe at this stage of the game is shit

It's a 3 people choose 1

Not very shit

just b/c farside chose them doesn't mean one of them has to be scum

Heartless · Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:07 am

In post 5767, dramonic wrote:
Votecount 48: Well then.

TiphaineDeath (8): Mastin2, Xombie, theaceofspades, farside22, Ooba, The Mask, Ankamius, Ozgin, Cephrir
FourTrouble (7): Metal Sonic, Magua, Heartless, TSO, Vezokpiraka, Imperium, Espeonage
Ozgin (5): FourTrouble, TheWayItEnds, Andrius

No Lynch (2): Skybird

Not Voting: ZZZX, TiphaineDeath

22 alive means 12 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-03-07 00:00:00)

mod, is this vc correct?

who's voteless on the td wagon?

TD need to be replaced =_=

Heartless · Tue Mar 03, 2015 1:07 am

In post 5767, dramonic wrote:
Votecount 48: Well then.

TiphaineDeath (8): Mastin2, Xombie, theaceofspades, farside22, Ooba, The Mask, Ankamius, Ozgin, Cephrir
FourTrouble (7): Metal Sonic, Magua, Heartless, TSO, Vezokpiraka, Imperium, Espeonage
Ozgin (5): FourTrouble, TheWayItEnds, Andrius

No Lynch (2): Skybird

Not Voting: ZZZX, TiphaineDeath

22 alive means 12 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-03-07 00:00:00)

TD need to be replaced =_=

dram, is this vc correct?

who's voteless on the td wagon?

Heartless · Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:51 am

what's going on in this freak show?

Heartless · Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:43 am

In post 6360, FourTrouble wrote:Can someone make a case on Ace?

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Heartless · Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:43 am

YOU SHOULOD SHOOT ANK.

Heartless · Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:44 am

okok ok

asce shot is fine

Heartless · Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:45 am

SKYBIRD'S KIND OF MEH ACE IS BETTER

Heartless · Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:56 am

UNVOTE:

*bleh*
I guess I need to take the cattle prod to Anti's ass because his first impressions were a lot better than my reads now.

Heartless · Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:16 am

In post 6454, FourTrouble wrote:I'm kinda paranoid that farside might be scum based on that terrible gladiate and irrational townread on Ceph, but I dunno - lots of town stuff there too.

w/ the lengths ceph went to to shoot down tth's initial case on him, i'm not so sure of that

Heartless · Fri Mar 06, 2015 12:54 pm

In post 6488, ZeL1nK wrote:She paused the episode.

You can't do that.

That's cheating.

Just wait until gets to the part where she figures out Bruce Willis is dead...

Heartless · Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:53 pm

if you have to say "just saying" what you "just said" is probably pretty shitty

just saying

Heartless · Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:51 am

VOTE: theaceofspades

Heartless · Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:13 pm

In post 6613, vezokpiraka wrote:
In post 6612, Heartless wrote:VOTE: theaceofspades

Come on. Don't break my heart. Don't tell me you're scum.

nope.

i don't think mastin is either, though.

and i think ace is.

Heartless · Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:00 am

VOTE: ankamius

metal, if you shoot ace, i will love you forever

Heartless · Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:12 am

wake me up

when september ends

someone vigs tso or ank