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Not interested in the D1 lynch of anyone I consider to be lynchbait just because they do lynchbait things. That's what makes them lynchbait.
This includes both PeregrineV and TiphaineDeath.
In particular, I see nothing in TSO's 2265 that says TD-scum to me rather than TD-just-being-his-goddamn-normal-self. If anything, TD jumping his reads over like that makes me more likely to read him town because scum just wouldn't need to.
Do want to vote Imperium, though, for pre-emptive buddying, but this is past RVS so I won't even though I should.-
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Tammy, tell me who to vote.
And it has to be Tammy, I won't listen to Nacho.
PEdit: Oh, it also can't be to vote beastcharizard because I really do have a townread on him.-
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farside, who should I vote who's not PeregrineV, TiphaineDeath, or beastcharizard?-
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In post 2339, Imperium wrote:In post 2335, Magua wrote:ITT Nacho decides to vote no one.
i'd vote ap.
i'd vote beastcharizard.
i'd vote mask.
You should talk to Tammy whoknowsthinks that beastcharizard is town.
who would you vote?
UNVOTE: Aeronaut
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If you could have your intra-hydra chats in your own little QT instead of here in the thread, that'd be really hip and neat.-
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Why unvote VysePresident?
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In post 2364, Solar Wind wrote:Because vysepresident is now heartless and I want to give them time to do something more useful than vyse did.
As for why not revote, we'll do that after f-16 and I talk. Right now, I kinda want to vote AP, as I indicated a few posts ago.
Given that there's 24 hours left in the day I think the time for voting is nao. Also I support an AngryPidegon vote and so should you.
I think beastcharizard and mastin are town.
I think that TiphaineDeath and PeregrineV are super-easy lynches every game they play with so am averse to lynching them D1so I can cop them tonight.
Mmmmmm, think that's it.-
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In post 2373, farside22 wrote:In post 2328, Magua wrote:farside, who should I vote who's not PeregrineV, TiphaineDeath, or beastcharizard?
RachMarie
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I'm fucking tired of everyone being "I've got a whole bunch of townreads and so few scumreads. If everyone has pinged your towndar to some extent your towndar is poorly adjusted. And with 10 hrs this is not the time to be "Oh gee what will I do", it's the time to just fucking do something.
Of all the existing wagons:
AngryPidegon is a perfectly fine lynch for me.
Ace of spades is a perfectly fine lynch for me.
Beast is a bad lynch. I will not vote beast.
RachMarie is a perfectly fine lynch.
TiphaineDeath is a lazy lynch that I won't get on board.
Cephrir is a bad lynch.
FourTrouble is a perfectly fine lynch.
Skybird is a perfectly fine lynch.
I'm happy to vote any of the perfectly fine lynches, but I'm currently voting AP. People who aren't voting anyone need to stop being useless.-
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In post 2500, Solar Wind wrote:Is there a reason for a lynch being perfectly fine beyond it being not on lynchbait? Because it is hard to consider your reads when you haven't read the thread.
It's more: if I don't have a reason to be against the lynch, then I'm perfectly fine with it.
Eg RachMarie. I have no reason to be for RachMarie's lynch, seeing as she's posted like one or two things since I joined. I have no case. But I also have no reason to be against the lynch. So I'm perfectly fine with it.
People I'm against lynching: Mastin, Beastcharizard, PeregrineV, Cephrir, Imperium, Heartless.
I will happily vote the shit out of anyone else. My reason for voting AP over any of the others I could've possibly voted can best be summarized as "lolz".
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MASTINW TF ARE YOU DOING
Mastin: AP is bulletproof omg we can cop him and shit
Everyone Else: AP claims bulletproof in his first post in every game
Mastin: I know!
Everyone Else: So then why are you going on about him being bp?
Mastin: Because he claimed it here in his first post!
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lolwut but that's why I think you're town.
But it's still super annoying.
Everyone going on about the wrong vote puts my nerves on edge when they do it without doing anything else.
Choices right now are AP or no lynch. AP lynch > no lynch even if he's a motherfucking bulletproof cop vigilante.-
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Holy fuck I want to shoot Cephrir and Imperium tonight just so the spamming of the thread will stop.-
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In post 2842, theaceofspades wrote:L-1 i activated
Which cancels out my no vote. See the magic at work.
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@Mastin:If you have role information that AP is town, well, now's the time.
Otherwise, if it's "but he's bp" or "wagon is scum motivated" then no, ignored.-
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No deaths is not expected.
@Mastin:Super serious question time. Was AngryPidgeon in your neighborhood or not?
@Heartless:Why is metal sonic conf scum?-
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Ironically enough, Ankamius vote was due to his complaining about the lack of flips.-
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Ooba covered a lot of what I was going to say. Due to dram's phrasing of the win condition, I think there's another racist -- brought it up to my neighborhood, along with the joint possibility.
So.
Hi. If you're a racist, we can joint win. You should claim and then we can set things up for you to shoot scum.
That said, still believe that beastcharizard is town.
Think Cephrir is more likely to be town.
Metal Sonic is meh. Strikes me as easy lynch. Curious if there was motivation for Bitmap to remove him D1, or if there was any overarching reason to consider him scum. Not seeing one currently.-
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In post 3024, Metal Sonic wrote:According to dram's win con for the SK, it says "wins when everyone not in x pantheon is dead"
That is just only a little different from generic SK win con "win when everyone except you is dead"
I don't think anyone in interested in your so caled "joint win"
Explain how I'm wrong or kindly stfu, kthxbai.-
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I like Solar Wind.
I also like that Solar Wind already called you on ace, because ace is my other suspect (besides Ankamius) at this point.
So chalk me up as curious about your reasoning.
(This post could've just been me quoting Solar's post and adding "me too").-
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Why reply to that part of SW's post and not the ace part?-
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Less defending of yourself for lurking, more suspects kthxbai.-
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In post 3079, PeregrineV wrote:For looking at votes, and voters on AP-wagon, this.
Less generalities and more specifics kthxbai.-
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@AceofSpades:Why did you vote mastin (whom TiphaineDeath is voting) while at the same time saying that you thought TiphaineDeath was suspicious?
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24 fucking pages in 3 fucking days.
Activity overview is telling me that I really, really, really, really want to lynch Imperium and then let Solar Wind by nk'ed. Holy shit, the two of you put together have a third of the posts in the game.
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Like Solar Wind's push on Imperium, but *entirely dislike* Solar Wind outright saying it's a pressure vote. 3127 and 3134 are basically "We're going to vote you until you act in this way we're going to describe" and let me tell you how weird that reads.
Oh, drama llama, etc, etc, skipping.
People who don't know how to trim quote walls, skipping.
Mastin and Solar Wind arguing about something that's utterly pointless, skipping.
Weeeeeee.
@TheWayItEnds:3328 is you saying you took House's vote. Why?
Mastin and Metal Sonic arguing about something that's utterly pointless, skipping.
HOLY SHIT METAL SONIC WAS ACTUALLY NOT TROLLING ALL ALONG WHAT A TWIST
Idea that AP was silenced yesterday is bullshit because he stillc ould've voted. He was just lurktastic. Goddammit, mastin.
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Metal Sonic:Guys, how many fucking times are you going to fall for a troll before you wise up?Welp, guess that's not really relevant anymore. Can be town and ignored until lylo, revisit if still alive then.
Mastin2: You're town. Shut up about AP. If AP wanted to play as town, he could've, but town play there would've been to make everyone have a post that said "I am Order aligned." AP didn't do that. He hardlurked. Let your anger go, move on. But, you're still town. So.
Skybird: Literally nothing.
theaceofspades: Not really liking anything of his that I've read. Only redeeming factors are circumstantial, eg, Peregrine voting him.
Beastcharizard: Town. Useless town, but town.
TheWayItEnds: Slightly more town than TSO, but that's not saying much. Has had slightly more content, but in my mind I just keep falling back to "the TWIE and TSO show"
TiphaineDeath: Mostly town due to unprovoked claim on roleblocking mastin. If mastin's powers were such that he thought he was targeted for the kill and lived, I think he would've said so and/or pushed on Tiphaine. So I'm left with Tiphaine telling the truth.
Ooba: Meh. Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh. Suspicious, see his rebuttal in 3719, but it doesn't ring true. Don't buy the thought process. Especially don't like the "If I was mafia, I would've done the reverse!" self meta.
ZZZX: Literally nothing except that mastin is super-100%-sure-he's-town.
Farside22: Has had posts. I've read them. Don't recall them. All pushes seem to be on easy targets, which isn't by itself terrible (I'm fine with lynching RachMarie, PeregrineV vote for her or no), but seems to lack self-awareness. They just seem to be flung out. Only one game with farside, btu I remember her having more developed thoughts than this. Scummy.
Solar Wind: Holy shit. You're town, but you both seriously need to realize you can close your mouth every once in awhile.
FourTrouble: He's done stuff. He's like TSO and TWIE but with more content and actual stances and thoughts and reasons and stuff. Find his posting stilted and not-fluid, unsure if that's just playstyle or not.
Cephrir: Don't like. Don't like the spammy nature, don't like the frequently drawn out off-topic posts. Blah blah D1 lie detector claim blah blah. However, given that I don't think mastin was roleblocked performing the mafia kill, Cephrir being protected by vezok is the best hypothesis for no kill. So until another one comes along or vezok flips scum,saving for later possible mislynchignoring.
Imperium: Tammy is scum. Therefore Imperium is scum. Notreallya joke.
RachMarie: Literally nothing
The Mask: Weird (affected?) posting style. Know very little about stances.
Ankamius: As close to nothing as possible to get without being nothing
T S O: Just shows up to complain. I like complaining, I'm a fan, but I really like it when other stuff is done besides complaining as well.
(inb4 "Yo dawg, I heard you liked complaining, so I'm complaining about your complaining" etc etc)
vezokpiraka: No lie, upon joining the game I sighed at this, but vezok's actually doing really well, and I can follow the thought process at work. Town.
Bitmap: The only thing I know is that he can imprison people. Other than that, nothing.
Xombie: The only things I've seen are "Replace me" and "Ok I'm staying"
Heartless: More town than Imperium (which is a low bar). Lots of questions. Reserving judgment.
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So:
Town (S->W): Solar Wind --> mastin2 --> Metal Sonic ----------------> vezokpiraka --> beastcharizard --------> TiphaineDeath --> ZZZX (based off of mastin) --> Cephrir -------------> FourTrouble -> Heartless -> Bitmap
Scum (S->W): Imperium -> TSO --> Ankamius --> Skybird --> RachMarie ------> ooba --> farside --> TheWayItEnds --> aceofspades --> xombie
UNVOTE: Ankamius
VOTE: Imperium-
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@Imperium:Your "omg i cant believe u dun townread me at all i thought we were bff y dun u read my posts" reads fake. Also please be spamming your fake reactions less, kthxbai.
@Metal Sonic:PROTIP! You don't need to quote an entire page and half long post to add on "me too"!
For your reads list: I have no reason for Skybird, Bitmap, TWIE being town. TiphaineDeath is way more likely to be town than scum.-
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In post 3772, Solar Wind wrote:I have a strong townread on Imperium. Less confident on the Magua town-read so Magua needs to explain.
I see a lot of Nacho and not a lot of Tammy. The Tammy I do see feels forced. I'm serious when I say my reasoning is "Tammy is scum so Imperium is scum."-
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Flavor/god naming/setup spec is, at best, pointless, and at worst, a cover. ooba, Xombie, and Imperium are the biggest offenders and I don't like either of them doing it. Easily half of ooba's posts are either about brambles or about which Chinese god Metal Sonic is.
In post 3860, TheWayItEnds wrote:Because yesterday my slot took your slots vote and Imperium was speculating on who the vote thief was?
Yes, the "why" was "Why take House's vote" at all.
Or to be more specific: Was it you, or a predecessor of yours? If you, why? If a predecessor, which one?
PEdit: Later posts say that this was Blonde. Want to confirm that's true.
In post 3791, Imperium wrote:What, exactly, did you like about [Solar Wind's push on us]???
I liked that they did it. I had suspicions of you, and I liked that Solar Wind was pushing those same suspicions because I like when other people come to the same conclusions that I do.
(Obviously, I like their backing off less, but c'est la vie.)
PEdit: Coming to 3957, I backtrack to this. No, I didn't realize the push was personal. No, I don't condone or support personal attacks. Yes, I didn't like the outright "I'm going to pressure you" nature of the push, which I even called out in my post.
All that said, I still read Solar Wind as town before their attack on you, and I did like the fact that they, a strong townread of mine, were pushing you, a strong scumread of mine. None of those reads had anything to do with the personal attack. So.
The Mask wrote:@SW, call it selfish but Magus has some loose reads which are vastly different from mine. He should have concrete reads on a few players, BT me in particular. He doesn't seem to be sure what to make it me, and I'm mostly plays this way because of restriction. Either way I would expect a read of me to be on HIS list. I've played with him plenty before.
Well, let's see, shall we? Between my replace in and that catch up post was50 pagesno I went back and checked and it was 60 pages, 1504 posts.
Of those, you had 10. Posts, that is. Not pages. And the posts weren't particularly noteworthy themselves. (I went back and checked).
So, no. The only impression you'd made on me was that you had a stilted posting style. Other than that, you've made no impression and have been in the null slot.
You obviously know who I am. You want to hide behind an alt or some sort of posting style, that's fine. But to hide in a context where I don't know you and can't meta you, to be responsible for one half of one percent of the posts that I read, and then call me scum because I have no opinion on you is one hundred percent sheery bullshittery.
Solar Wind wrote:I'm not seeing what you, Mastin, Ooba, and Metal are seeing. Tammy's posts have felt to me like her normal posts as town. How are they forced?
I've revisited this since 3957 and rereading earlier pages. My earlier read was that it went from completely unemotional to highly charged emotion out-of-proportion to what was being said (eg "How can anyone think that I'm scum that's such bullshit"), but now it makes more sense in light of the interaction between you two and Imperium that was apparently going on in your neighborhood.
Imperium still feels scummy to me, but less so than before.
UNVOTE: Imperium
VOTE: TSO-
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@Solar:You say it wasn't, they say it was.
I don't give a rat's ass.
I still think you're town, I still think they're scum, but Tammy's view explains her reactions rationally enough to satisfy me.
Beyond that it doesn't matter.
PEdit: My reason for backing off Imperium is that I don't have the energy to push that through on my own, you're not on board, mastin's meh, so it's just not going to happen. I could sit there with my thumb up my ass being the only vote on the wagon but it's not going to happen so why bother.-
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As much as it pains me to admit it, I agree with Imperium's 4249 about theaceofspades claiming to activate a double-vote but not having to declare it in thread(2608, 2842) not coming from a scum mindset, which would want to hold onto that power and keep it secret.
Similar thoughts go to TheWayItEnds' vote thief role.
(I had a scum vote thief like that in my Paranoia game, and as expected they used their power but never claimed it to distract town.)
(It *is* possible that someone, coughcoughImperiumcough, coached him into doing it that way for just this reason, but I'm willing to table that thought until after Imperium has flipped scum.)
The one unanswered item about the irregularities on AngryPidgeon's lynch is what Mask's repulse does:
In post 2844, The Mask wrote:Nvm bit disappointed AP is leading but w/e tf, you guys are cocks so you hate pidgeons
repulse: angry pidgeon
On initial reading, I had assumed that this made AngryPidgeon hated and was what was responsible for the lynch at L-1.
Now I'm just curious about what it did and why Mask did it.
PEdit: I see Skybird addresses this in 4270, but I'm too lazy to delete what I wrote.
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In post 4250, ooba wrote:This is not even close to the truth. 5 out of 70 is not half.
Imperium thought TD lied about targeting mastin and I helped them figure out alternatives.
For fuck's sake.
Never read (most? any?) of your D1 posts, not really going to. Do know that there's several posts of yours that are entirely setup spec about TiphaineDeath and the brambles, or about Metal Sonic being a racist, etc, that are completely IIoA useless.
It's not that you don't have content. It's that you don't have a lot of content, and then you do have posts interspersed that are content-lite to content-free (3189, 3451, 3737, 3786, 3789, 3794, 3800, 3881, 4110, etc I stopped there).
Especially the vote count one in 3189 throws me off, because that's the exact sort of thing I did as scum in War in Heaven III because it looked like work without actually taking any stances. Ditto for setup spec, which-god-is-Metal-Sonic, who-has-brambles etc.
I mean, I get it, I like setup specas muchmore than the next guy, but so many of your posts seem to be words without stances, and it makes bells go off in my head.
In post 4260, T S O wrote:magua explain your goddamn scumread
You're around, and you post, but the amount of content in your posts is even less than ooba's. Your last vote was on Metal Sonic, you haven't given any other indications of who you think is scummy since the PeregrineV kill, in fact haven't reacted to the kill at all other than "mastin's reaction is off"...so it's pretty much active lurking. You're here, but you ain't doing jack.
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Of farside's three:
TiphaineDeath is town. I think he's town for the unprompted roleblock claim on mastin.
beastcharizard is probably town, less so than TiphaineDeath. He's got stuff in the neighborhood about his ability/abilities are going to prove him town once we all see it that, well, factually, aren't true, but the emotion and the conviction he had D1 with them reads to me as difficult to pull off for scum. Tht is, I do not read beast as being that good of a scum player.
FourTrouble is a lynch that, as said, I'm perfectly fine with, even if it means voting along with ooba.
UNVOTE: Imperium (because I like to emphasize)
VOTE: FourTrouble
I await people telling me I'mstupidmisguided for voting FourTrouble.-
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For Tammy specifically:
UNVOTE: TSO
VOTE: Imperium
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VOTE: FourTrouble
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@Cephrir:I feel, paradoxically, that it would be better if oobas were just not posting rather than posting fluff, since I read the fluff as trying to give the illusion of activity. It is the exact same problem I have with TSO's posts.
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I read you as having more content than TSO, hence him being scummier than you.-
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Or, to put it another way: You have a lot of fluff. BUt yours feels more organic, or in the flow, whereas I feel from ooba and TSO that they're posting things just to say that they've posted things.
You also have the claimed-ness of the vote thief even though it wouldn't otherwise be public knowledge going for you.-
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@mastin2:Your FourTrouble-beastcharizard-TiphaineDeath ordering is the opposite of mine.
I am curious of your opinion on TiphaineDeath given his claimed roleblock on you.
- Do you think TiphaineDeath was lying about roleblocking you?
- Do you think his claiming of roleblocking you was scum or town?
Finally, the question I'm most curious about is, why is FourTrouble so town to you? Plzplzplzplz be something other than "it's got to do with stuff in my neighborhood".
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@TSO:Kindly expand your lack-of-content to why you think scum-aceofspades claims his doublevote D1 when it doesn't show up on vote counts.
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In post 4384, Imperium wrote:Okay magua riddle me this. Your strongest town read has a strong town read on your strongest scum read. You say that you liked the push on you because they came to the same conclusion you did, but that's not accurate at all. In fact, in the post where they voted us, it was a post about how badly my scum game sucks and telling mastin she was wrong. He literally says he doesn't think I'm scum, but he'd help push there to get reactions. He then, in a follow up post, mentions that the last time he fake suspected me, he caught the scum team based on their reactions to his push on me, which indicates that, again, he doesn't suspect us.
Did you miss all that? Why are you skipping over your strong town read's posts concerning their strong town read of us? Why are you ignoring the fact that they pointed out you were wrong about their not being much of me in the thread?
Why aren't you negotiating that?
There's a similar trend with your ooba read and projection of his posts.
You're just flat out ignoring things in thread which negate your reads so you can stay sticky on them. Why aren't you digging? Why are you just commentating?
Welp, this is a mouthful, and I'm going to abbreviate it because this isn't a MD topic.
- I noted I found SOlar Wind's push to be odd, and that I didn't like the oddity, but I still liked that they were pushing you.
- I townread Solar Wind before the push, I scumread you before the push, ie, happiness at the push was a result, the push was not a cause of reads.
- Seeing Solar Wind back off from the push makes me sad, as I continue to believe that I am right and they are wrong, because that's how I roll. But, truth be told, I don't have the energy to argue it against the four of you, and so I'm not bothering because it's not really that useful. Instead I'll wait until Solar Wind is nightkilled and then I'll revisit it.
In regards to letting it drop specifically, well holy fuck, I just don't have time for that. That catch up post was over 60 pages in three days, and let me tell you how much noise that can fuck. I am at the point where I respond to something when I see a reason to do so. (Obviously I see a reason for this response right here right now, so you can skip the obvious retort.) This is the exact reason I'm not bothering to reply to ooba, because how does that go? "I think ooba's posting a lot of fluff." "I'm not posting a lot of fluff, I've got content!" "Let me point out a list of the fluff you're posting!" "That's all content!" "It's fluff!" "It's content!" etc.
Not useful, so I skip it.
I do care what Solar Wind thinks. I do care what mastin thinks (see FourTrouble / TiphaineDeath questions above). If I'm unsure of why they think something, I'll ask. But just because I think they're town doesn't mean I think they're right.
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Xombie's "where did my vote go" feels stupidly fake. Feels like calculated townslip. Do not like at all.
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Ankamius wrote:What is your current read on TiphaineDeath?
Town for unprovoked roleblock claim on mastin at start of Day.
Terrible player who's lynchbait in every game I've seen him in.
Such is life.
Also it's weird that you're asking me when last I looked you thought I was scum because I thought you were scum. PEdit: Nevermind, see you saying that you thought House was town and I'm basically coasting on that so.
Do want you to contribute more and ask questions less though so there's that. You can tell me why you think FourTrouble is town for one.-
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I am going to be V/LA until Monday the 23rd. Maybe light posting tomorrow morning, but completely gone Friday afternoon through Monday afternoon.
In post 4473, Xombie wrote:How is me missing the VC originally and not understanding what was going on even a townslip, let alone a calculated one? Errr?
It is a weird pathology of mine that I wish to believe that if someone truly doesn't understand something that just occurred in a game, like why the vote count may have been reset, that they would read the last page or two to try to understand it instead of being "lol wheres my vote guiz". However, scum may find a value in pretending to not know what is going on in the game even when they really do, because they are nefarious.
That is, given the choice between believing you are being incompetent or believing that you are being scummy, I choose to believe you are scummy.
If you'd prefer I believe you are incompetent, that can also be arranged.
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Imperium wrote:Magua - why do yu want to see ankamius ask questions less?
Magua wrote:Do want [Ankamius] to contribute more and ask questions less
The statement is intended proportionally, ie, Ankamius makes few statements and asks a whole bunch of questions and I would prefer the ratio reversed.
You'll note I'm not responding to any of the rest of your posts. This is intentional.
No, I lied, I'm going to reply to another: regarding ooba, him going and listing all the nature gods is fluff. His "brambles could be god X", "brambles could be god Y" is fluff. His theory in which Chinese god Metal Sonic is fluff. I'm not arsed enough to go back but I'm pretty damn sure that you got an answer from dramonic that the brambles weren't due to you, and that's really the only non-fluff part of that conversation.
Fuuuuuck, there's another I have to reply to, this sucks.
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Tired and going to sleep.
Skimmed the pages, will review them later, but in the meantime:
@Ozgin:When you claimed, why did you only claim your vote ability? Walk me through your thought process here.-
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In post 5194, Ozgin wrote:
My other half of my claim, my ult, is almost suicide at this stage of the game AND creates the biggest weakness I could have next to death and doesn't quite reward me enough at this stage. I would rather save that reveal for later in the game when I can feel more confident in my ability to scumread.[/quote]
No. The question was "What was your thought process?"
Or to put another way: your claiming of stuff that was already claimed looks like someone who read through their ISO and claimed what their predecessor had already claimed (specifically you claimed what beast had already claimed in the neighborhood). That makes it look like not a real claim. beast had reasons for claiming what he claimed and reasons to not claim what he didn't, which I have to imagine, are different from yours.
I'm curious what your reasons are, hence, "What's your thought process?"
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PROTIP TO SOLAR WIND, IMPERIUM, HEARTLESS, AND CEPHRIR:It's ok to fucking shut up every once in awhile, Jesus Christ on a stick, if you're so goddamn tired of arguing with whoever you can just *stop*.
It's great.
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In post 5194, Ozgin wrote:So I don't understand the wagon on me (slash beast) because beast didn't read scum to me (yes I technically ISOd myself).
Reconcile that for me, please, with this quote:
In post 4857, Ozgin wrote:
It's pretty stupid, I'm Order aligned. Has BeastCharizard claimed role yet?
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I liked Solar Wind (as town) a whole lot more before the last five or so pages. Less so now.
To be entirely honest, I don't even really /care/ if they're right on Cephrir. I find the entire conversation to be toxic, and not matching the stated motives coming from Solar Wind, which makes it just feel weird.
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TiphaineDeath is not scum. Roleblock-on-mastin claim is not from scum. I would believe mastin-as-scum-who-was-roleblocked looooong before I would believe TiphaineDeath-scum, and I still believe mastin is town. So there's that. Also, TSO and ooba are on this wagon, so there's that as well.
Ozgin I am less sure on than before. As indicated by my questions, I'm not following this thought process upon replacing in; it feels forced, and the flipflop on FourTrouble, as noted, feels particularly forced. I'm not all "Ozgin is scum," but waaaaaay more of "I don't particularly care if Ozgin dies." I'm hoping Ozgin really steps up his posting because otherwise this'll probably win out of sheer apathy.
Still think FourTrouble is the scummiest of the three. Don't like that the past five days have been neighborhood spec and nothing else. Do like that he's all "TiphaineDeath's claim of roleblocking mastin is pretty town." Meh. Still voting him, though it's entirely PoE instead of having any actual good reason. Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.-
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Write greasemonkey script to remove Solar Wind's, Imperium's, Metal Sonic's, and Cephrir's posts.
Bam. Entire game is now only 108 pages.-
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In post 4346, Magua wrote:
The one unanswered item about the irregularities on AngryPidgeon's lynch is what Mask's repulse does:
In post 2844, The Mask wrote:Nvm bit disappointed AP is leading but w/e tf, you guys are cocks so you hate pidgeons
repulse: angry pidgeon
On initial reading, I had assumed that this made AngryPidgeon hated and was what was responsible for the lynch at L-1.
Now I'm just curious about what it did andwhy Mask did it.
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UNVOTE: FourTrouble
VOTE: Ozgin
Think Ozgin is town. Think TiphaineDeath is more town, and FourtTrouble ain't getting lynched.-
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After reading the last five pages, I'm actually happy that F16 got modkilled, tbqfh.
I am so fucking emphatically against lynching TD's slot without a replacement that I lack the words to adequately express it.
Ozgin's reaction does read town. Cephrir's action doesn't read as town, but not bloody much that can be done about that at this point in time so shelving and will worry about it Tomorrow. (If Cephrir does, at some point, flip Town, Ozgin would be as near to Town as can be -- I fully believe that scum-Ozgin sitting at L-1 who found out he'd been loverized with town-Cephrir would be all about pulling that trigger).
The only one of the three I actually want to lynch is now back to FourTrouble. If a FourTrouble lynch isn't going to happen, I'd prefer no lynch.
PEdit:
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In post 5659, Heartless wrote:i'm ending the day and killing td, you have anything else to say in the game thread?
Killing TD is bad plan bad mojo.
Don't be bad.
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In post 5707, FourTrouble wrote:
I have no fucking clue what you're talking about here.
This analysis blows. Scum want to avoid being lynched, so now being able to argue that he shouldn't be lynched because it kills Ceph too, is what scum would do in this situation, regardless of Ceph's alignment.
Ozgin didn't argue that he shouldn't be lynched because it would kill Cephrir too, is the thing.
In the neighborhood, he's all "Which of you fuckers is Aphrodite?", not "Don't lynch me". Realize you don't have access to that, so I'm telling you.
In the main thread, in 5492, he's more or less making the case that Cephrir dying would be a good thing. 5498 is, yes, AtE with its "scum want the double mislynch", yes, but I can see the thought process from town-Ozgin here -- someone secretly loverizes you, immediate reaction is to think it's scum, immediate conclusion is that scum are getting a second lynch.
The big thing for me is that Ozgin's sitting at L-1 from 12:40pm CST through 2:14pm CST, so about 90 minutes, and doesn't a) explain shit, b) give a rationale for why lynching him would be bad. If he's self-preservationist scum, it'd be trivial to post something like "Hey, who loverized me with Cephrir? I got told by the mod that if I die blah blah blah." Instead it's "Cephrir, you suck."
I do not see an Ozgin-scum / Cephrir-town situation. I could see Ozgin-scum / Cephrir-scum, where Cephrir is coaching Ozgin, but that's the only Ozgin-scum possibility that makes sense to me, and I don't class it as very likely at all.
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Only slightly related, I'm super fucking annoyed at F16's "I've got role info that Ozgin is scum guiz" that was obvious bullshit, and I hate that sort of crap because it derails town because someone feels like playing hero rather than mafia. Flashbacks to Magister Ludi single-handedly fucking up A Feast for Crows with his bullshit cop claim. So, being entirely honest here, half of not wanting to lynch Ozgin is out of spite, the only emotion I can still feel.
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Falcon flipping town makes me feel better about Imperium, so I probably won't vig them tonight.
I like Espeonage's posting, which is pretty much words I never though I'd ever say.-
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If I didn't have such a townread on the TiphaineDeath slot, I'd be scumreading ZeL1nK hard. Really reads as trying too hard to be flippant. Too many silly questions ("Hey, who thinks the wagon on me is all town" etc). But, eh, TiphaineDeath, so still think the slot is town.
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F16 and Ozgin: I don't think F16 gave a flying fuck about Ozgin, personally. The impression I get is "as good as any." Pretty goddamn certain that F16's "Ozgin is confirmed scum I'm a daycop and I copped him" schtick was because he wanted Cephrir dead, and, having already submitted the loverize on Cephrir and Ozgin, getting Ozgin lynched was the only way that was going to happen.
Pretty much the entire setup of the Ozgin wagon previous to the failhammer is disinterested compared to afterwards.
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FourTrouble shootTSO, Ooba, or Skybirdafter 5952 and 5956 it should be Skybird. Skybird doesn't care about who gets shot, as long as it's not her.
Mmmmm. TSO doesn't even mention FT's shot. Still read Skybird as worse.
If FourTrouble hits scum, I'll happily sheep FT for the rest of the game. If not, still really want to lynch him.
Do not want to no lynch.
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Didn't see anything worth reading in pgs 242-247 so here we are. Neighborhood spec is stupid, but the arguing about the neighborhood spec is somehow equally stupid. Both Andrius' and ZeL1nK's posts about maf theory seem pointless.
Shoot Skybird.
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Metal Sonic: Dayvig shoots scum, happily let him live until lylo because I'm gullible like that.
Mastin2: Townread is lessened from before. A lot contingent on being able to prove ZZZX, etc town D3. The paranoid part of me is thinking that TiphaineDeath roleblocking him did stop the Mafia kill.
Skybird: From nothing to scum. Posts seem entirely based on self-presevation + asking questions. No mention of who's scum. No caring about anyone else, but jumps up when Cephrir suggests shooting her.
theaceofspades: Mmmmmeeeeeeehhhhh. Redeeming factors are circumstantial, eg, Peregrine voting him, vote thieving D1, that's really about it.
Ozgin: Still think he's town, hasn't changed.
TheWayItEnds: God, him and TSO, I just want to vig them both. For reasons I cannot even adequately explain I still think he's townier than TSO, but, low bar, etc.
ZeL1nK: TiphaineDeath's roleblock of mastin. ZeL1nK posts started out terrible, have gotten slightly better, overall meh. Coasting on TiphaineDeath townread.
Ooba: Still think he's scum. Still don't like the "If I was mafia, I would've done the reverse!" self meta.
ZZZX: Slightly town, maybe, but this is mostly mastin is super-100%-sure-he's-town.
Farside22: Gladiated, disappeared. Came back, hasn't said much. Doesn't change overall light scumread.
FourTrouble: Quoting myself here because this hasn't changed at all: "He's done stuff. He's like TSO and TWIE but with more content and actual stances and thoughts and reasons and stuff. Find his posting stilted and not-fluid, unsure if that's just playstyle or not." Except I know that of Ozgin/ZeL1nK/FourTrouble, the one I want to lynch most is FourTrouble. Hope he shoots Skybird.
Cephrir: I sort of want Cephrir to be scum just to spite F16. But I don't feel that the chance of Cephrir being scum is more than the chance of Ozgin being town. Also possible save by vezokpiraka. So leaving alone for now. Revisit later.
Imperium: No longer think that Imperium is scum, in large part due to F16's insistence that they were town and F16 being town.
Andrius: Only thing I can recall Andrius going on about now is neighborhood setup spec and drunkposting, and neither of those make me think that he's town.
The Mask: Says stupid things, is called on saying stupid things, disappears.
Ankamius: As close to nothing as possible to get without being nothing
T S O: Useless waste of posting space who needs to die and is hopefully if there is a God on this earth scum.
vezokpiraka: Probably town, due to pre-emptive doctor claim + reactions to beastcharizard in neighborhood.
Espeonage: I like Espeonage's posts so far. Agree with them. I like people I agree with.
Xombie: Nothing.
Heartless: Still more town than Imperium. Blah blah paranoia but low on the list.
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So:
Town (S->W): Metal Sonic -----------> vezokpiraka --> mastin2 --> ZeL1nK --------> Ozgin --> ZZZX (based off of mastin) --> Cephrir -------------> Espeonage -> FourTrouble -> Heartless --> Imperium
Scum (S->W): Skybird --> TSO --> Ankamius --> Andrius ------> ooba --> farside --> TheWayItEnds --> aceofspades --> xombie
Scumread order hasn't changed overmuch except that Skybird's moved up and Imperium's a townread.
Yes, I'm voting a townread. dealwithit.jpg.
For emphasis since I'm aware I'm already voting him:
VOTE: FourTrouble
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One might infer that me noting it there is, in fact, me thinking about it.
The biggest item for me is that I'm pretty sure TiphaineDeath was telling the truth about roleblocking mastin, and the pre-emptive claiming about all of that looks town. TiphaineDeath-scum could've also easily roleblocked mastin-town, but I would not expect them to open D2 claiming so.
PEdit: I understand each of the words you said, and yet do not understand your meaning.-
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Thank you for your accurate translation, Cephrir.
Unfortunately,I read dumbtells as towntells so this makes me think of ZZZX as more town.
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Although I feel I'm simply walking into a trap here, that's fantastically non-useful.
Also, saying "Don't shoot X" without saying "Shoot Y" is also non-useful, so, congrats on your two-for-one there.-
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I have this morbid belief that reproaching people for non-useful posts will create useful posts, in defiance of all experience.
Continuing the trend, naming 6 people out of 22 is not particularly useful either. How about you name the one person you think is scummiest.-
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I understand its not your dayvig. We're playing a little game of pretend.
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Do you think that mastin is scum?
I mean, if you think it's at least 51% that mastin is town, the chances are that shooting him doesn't really resolve anything, does it?
(I mean, I'm paranoid about mastin as well, but I think that shooting him is a bad bet at this point.)
Similarly, do you think ZZZX is scum? If he flips town, what's your gain?-
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I kinda-sorta have.
I mean, I do think you're townish.
I just think you're the least town of you/Ozgin/ZeL1nK.
Also: Shoot Skybird.
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@TWIE:He's going to shoot whoever the fuck he feels like shooting. This is really just me poking you about scumreads because I can't actually recall you having any.-
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lolwhat?
Either FourTrouble is lying, in which case he's going to get lynched (hooray!), or it's going to matter a whole bunch very, very, very shortly.-
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Upon reread, I think that TWIE thinks we're talking about lynching, not necessarily that Skybird is BP or similar.-
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@Farside:F16 loverized Cephrir and Ozgin, then went batshit crazy and got modkilled. He was town. FourTrouble says he's got a dayvig.
There. You're caught up.
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@TWIE:Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp. I assume this is neighborhood claimed information?
If not Skybird, I'd shoot TSO.-
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