Mgm's Egypt Mafia - Over

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Something about Mgm being the eternal living king

Evil has come to this land

That's my guess.

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cool.

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We can only revive once during the entire game, so that won't keep the scum from killing protown players.

Also, I propose a strategy for when we want to revive someone. I suggest that we revive within the first 2-3 days of the game, in order to find out alignments before it become critical. In addition, I think we should revive someone who was nightkilled, since if we lynched someone, we obviously agreed (majority) that he/she was scum. If we are about to revive someone that was killed by a vig, that vig should perhaps claim, because we don't want to revive scum. We want to revive someone who is more likely town, since scum killed them. Not definite on this last idea, but it's a suggestion.

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I'm not going to speculate on roles, because that's generally more helpful for scum than town.

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I actually think we should wait until day 3 or 4.

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EBWOP: Using the revive on day 1 or 2 won't have much effect, now that I've thought about it.

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yea I'd like an answer to that.

Will already dead people have their roles revealed when we revive someone?

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Does it make any sense to simply revive the first nightkill we see?

Not really. I'd like to wait a bit longer so that we can make an educated guess as to whether the nightkilled person was protown based on their actions before they died. Also, the later we wait to revive, the more effect it will have in hurting the scum.

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I say we just agree to pressure anyone who lurks through pre-game on Day 1. That way, scum will have to contribute now or face being lynched early.

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Day 2-3 sounds good.

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<3

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We get to vote on Day/Night start?

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Original Roll String: 1d19

1 19-Sided Dice: (19) = 19

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Vote: Albert B. Rampage

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cool.

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sweet. Thanks, I'll try that sometime...eventually...

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Schismatized: wtf is with the cats?
Schismatized: ive never understood y ppl r obsessed with them
Schismatized: DOGS FTW
Schismatized: elephant>dog>shit>cat
Schismatized: cats are dirty
Schismatized: they make teh house stink
Schismatized: i can always tell if sum1 has a cat when i go in there house lol
Schismatized: i will say this tho
Schismatized: little kittens r cute
Schismatized: but little puppies r cuter''

YOUR SOURCES LIE, YB.

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Schismatized: wtf is with the cats?
Schismatized: ive never understood y ppl r obsessed with them
Schismatized: DOGS FTW
Schismatized: elephant>dog>shit>cat
Schismatized: cats are dirty
Schismatized: they make teh house stink
Schismatized: i can always tell if sum1 has a cat when i go in there house lol
Schismatized: i will say this tho
Schismatized: little kittens r cute
Schismatized: but little puppies r cuter''

YOUR SOURCES LIE, YB.

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stupid errors, I thought it hadn't post when I came back to the page

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If it's not in your outbox anymore, he got it.

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Ya that's right.

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Pinky saved us from 24 hours without a post, lol. 23 hours, 47 minutes after the first vote count, and only one post was made? Wow.

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inHim is reading too much. I'm not reading enough. Gar.

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He's already revealed the information we need to know, to not revive Yos. That's good enough for me.

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*lurk*

I'm not terribly worried about the power roles being outed, unless they are protection roles. Although, there better have been a good reason.

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The Fonz's posts on page 11 and 12 seem scummy to me. He sees no reason to continue discussion after the cop claimed, trying to rush the day to night. Then, when it seems he won't get his way, he plays mediator between the two opposing power roles. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but that looks to be the perfect position for scum to sit in this situation.

Vote: The Fonz

I'd rather leave Nightson alone for now, because if he's scum he'll be found out sooner or later.

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unvote
vote: MoS

Back to you.

I'd rather leave Nightson alone for now,if he's scum he'll be found out sooner or later

I generally think this is a very scummy mentality.

How? It's not like we don't have cops that could catch him, trackers that could follow him, him slip up in his posts, slip up in reporting night choices, etc. When we have an

apparent

confirmation of power roles, there is no reason to lynch them right now. Personally, I find it a very scummy mentality to want to lynch a claimed power role that has been confirmed by another claimed power role on Day 1.

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Good job, everyone!

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...at this moment I don't think we should lynch someone who could be telling the truth and have a power role.

Well, not exactly the reason I didn't vote, but it's close.

I'm still not on the level with MoS, though.

I vote for more posting.

You're dodging the point, inHim. I'm still waiting for you to explain why you are suspicious of me.

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Wait, so you agree with Niempie, who was agreeing with me, but you find me scummy for saying something that Niempie (who you apparently do not find scummy) AND yourself agreed with?

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I'm not sleeping, just lurking...

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Just 'cuz.

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Received prod, still here, just lurking. I've said what I had to say.

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Now that I've reread my vote on The Fonz, I am once again convinced to keep it where it is.

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What is suspicious about it? Why do you feel that scum are

less likely

to pay attention to the thread?

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Please read the rules people. Again none of you made use of the ability to send messages for publication last night.

Only scum would want to do that.

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I am a protown role.

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wtf it's Day 3?

How did that happen? Last time I checked, it was D2, and we were nowhere near a lynch...

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Who has not said they were a protown player yet?

I believe we should start eliminating those who refuse to submit to coppery.

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Why?

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Vote: Albert

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Zindy- gave my reasons mid-wagon. My judgment was that The Fonz had seemed very townie to me, and that he was more likely than IH to be the mafia's kill last night (I still believe that, actually, since IH was a potential lynch for this day if Albert had been vigged, and certainly a potential lynch for tomorrow).

I am vaguely worried, partly on meta grounds and partly because of Fonz suddenly defending Albert, that the town revival may have changed the alignment of the person revived.

There were other options to consider. Why did no one even raise the possibility of reviving DG, for example?

Perhaps it was because DG was lynched...why would we want to revive someone we lynched?

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Zindy- gave my reasons mid-wagon. My judgment was that The Fonz had seemed very townie to me, and that he was more likely than IH to be the mafia's kill last night (I still believe that, actually, since IH was a potential lynch for this day if Albert had been vigged, and certainly a potential lynch for tomorrow).

I am vaguely worried, partly on meta grounds and partly because of Fonz suddenly defending Albert, that the town revival may have changed the alignment of the person revived.

There were other options to consider. Why did no one even raise the possibility of reviving DG, for example?

Perhaps it was because DG was lynched...why would we want to revive someone we lynched?

Lynched might be the wrong word. Assassinated comes closer.

Still it was a nonposter. Don't really want to revive him.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Front post said "lynched", so I assumed...*shrug*

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WHAT? Albert, why would you want to consider reviving someone that

you

killed because you thought they were scum!? If we revived them, and you felt that your only chance of survival was to kill scum, how would we know what their role was, since it wouldn't be revealed until after we used our revive?

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Uh, I was talking about the revival of either Fonz or DG.

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That was after the fact, so it really doesn't mean anything.

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Then why did you claim that you were talking about reviving either of them, which by it's own nature means that you would entertain the notion of reviving DG?

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Oh yes. I stepped out of lurking because someone decided to make an entire day and night pass between me checking the thread...I've been pretty active this entire day, if you hadn't noticed. It wasn't just Albert, I've actually had time to post for once.

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I'm really pissed off at whoever did this. First Albert, now this. I've missed like a day and a half, and 2 nights, because of their stupid shit.

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I never saw that post.

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ROFL. You forgot to FoS the other 6 players. Remember, half the town hadn't read Damien's post =P

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Also, TSS, let me ask you this: What do you think my motives would be for telling everyone that I did not see Van Damien's post, if I were scum? In fact, why are you even voting me? I fail to see the connection between me missing a post and the possibility of me being scum from your perspective. Do explain, Sherlock.

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Zindaras, I can't see anyone trying to make that argument. It's impossible to confirm that someone was online, and even if they were online, they could've been roleblocked or had their killed stopped by someone else who was online. I don't think anyone is gullible enough to let a weak argument like that stand even without you bringing it up in advance.

Can't remember the post eventhough I must have read it.
Probably didn't even notice that it was a claim the way it was worded. Now that I read it carefully, sure, but when skimming the thread it looks more theorizing on someone perhaps having that ability than a claim.

And yet we're all apparently scum for not knowing VD had claimed...LoL

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Blight, Zindie is not using that argument to defend himself. He was saying that if scum had this ability (ie VD was scum), they could've ended day quickly and then used that argument to try and clear themselves.

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That's what I was saying.

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explain.

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EBWOP (because I couldn't resist): EXPLAIN OR REFRAIN!

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Indeed it was, RafK. I'm pretty sure I know what InHim was saying as well, but I also believe that he's wrong, and so I would like him to make a case for said accusation, which only really applies to 1/3 of the accused posts.

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How is explaining something bad? I helped to clear up an obvious understanding that seemed relatively critical to explain. How is that "nothing"?

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I was surprised to see that it is already day 4. I think that the persons that ended the day AND the night so early without the town knowing what they were about to do, is bad for town. I know that they hinted towards their abilities, but as can be seen, (almost?) no-one really had an idea what the abilities were.
Albert had to pay for this, because he was lynched, and I think that Van Damien should have know how we would react. You still can end a night earlier, but wait a bit longer than the night was now.

It definitively is beneficial for the town to skip a night. It saves us 2 kills. That should be better than maybe getting a good investigation in.

Of course what Albert did hurt the town in an extreme way. He basically cost us 2 days, one where he ended the day killing a townie and then the one where he got lynched himself for it as was likely to happen. I hope I won't be on his side in a game soon.

What information have we gained by having a night where nothing happened?

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And what info did you gain, Thoth? What info was gained from lynching Albert and having nothing happen that night? I would really like a specific answer to the question, because your response means nothing to me at the moment.

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Agreed with RafK. We DID get to sortof vig Albert, and it's kinda like yesterday never happened, but ending the night early still bugs me. I don't like a mafia game without nights, even if it *does* avoid having some of us killed. Since there seem to be a lot of power roles, it's possible that there is a decent amount of scum, and skipping on nights (which renders power roles useless) sucks. But I *do* agree that having an extra day is probably for the better in terms of winning the game. It just bugs me personally.

Anyway, that wasn't really the point of my question. You claimed that we

gained

info by not having a night, and I fail to see how that happened. If we had had a night, we would've had power role information, not to mention information from the people that died and who they interacted with. I fail to see how information was gained

because

we essentially had no night.

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I'm not happy with the fact that there are roles in the game that are killing the activity levels.

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MOS, we don't gain information. Our profit is in restoration of the balance between scum and town. The nightkills push that balance in favor of scum, and lynching pushes it back in favor of town. Albert gave it a nudge in the wrong direction and Van Damien gave it a corrective nudge. If it helps, like RafK said, visualize it as if it's just a long day 3 with a dayvig in the middle. This shouldn't be blamed for the activity levels.

I don't know why I'm bothering to explain this to you, since you're so clearly scum.

Did you miss the fact where I agreed that we profit from having Van Damien end the night quickly? The only thing I did was question whether or not we gained

information

from ending the night quickly, something you have claimed to agree with. So, I fail to see how you are explaining anything new to me. In fact, it looks very much like you are just agreeing with me and then turning around to call me scum.

Anyway, get in line. Thesp and others got there first. You have to grab a ticket to be someone to say I'm so clearly scum and be so clearly wrong. I'll call you when your number's up.

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You happen to think it, yet have no reasoning to back it up? Good job there.

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Dunno. The last 2 days or so have gone by without me getting to do much, so I don't even remember where I stand anymore. I'm kindof annoyed at TSS for calling me scum without anything to back it up, but that doesn't make him scum. VD is probably town, and RafK seems legit. I don't remember if anyone else alive has claimed. I think I was suspicious of The Fonz earlier, but we all revived him, and I think I'm a little less suspicious, after seeing the reasons for reviving him. *shrug* I'll have to reevaluate.

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That's because I misread what he said.

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Great, can we move on, then?

Looks like no one is around to move on, though.

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I have access again. Thanks to SSF for posting for me. That was weird, but it works not for some reason.

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Vote: Nightson

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Nightson claimed? Didn't know that.

Unvote

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I can't keep track of anything that happens in this game. It has to do with the fact that I've missed like half the game so far, either due to ridiculous abilities, fast lynches, or lame deadlines. I can't remember most of what happened anymore. All I remember is that RafK claimed some sort of role that seemed confirmable/confirmed, but that's about it.

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Zindie's arguments are correct, imo. Voting someone is to be taken as thinking they are scum, unless you do something that generally makes it clear you have another purpose behind it. The Fonz's vote had nothing to indicate that he did not think her scummy for her vote.

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Aaaand TSS continues to misinterpret what I say. Although, kudos for finally fulfilling my request to actually post a case against me. Too bad it's complete bullshit.

By "her", I was clearly referring to

Sacred

, not Zindie, who is fairly obviously male (his title is

Mr.

Popularity). So that pretty much debunks the entire basis of your first argument.

As for your second point, I don't see how you can

not

construe it as a joke. I mean, c'mon, are you serious? You see a completely reasonless vote followed by the "Razz" smiley, and you think I'm being serious? You're the one who is full of utter BS, not me. As for not being aware of the roleclaim, it seems to me that you are basing that theory entirely on the fact that you already felt I was scum. How is complaining that nothing is currently happening an indication at all that I am aware of what happened 4 days ago? The two concepts have nothing to do with each other, and you are reaching ridiculously far to make a connection between them.

FoS: TSS

The ridiculousness of your case is quite unlike your normal protown play, which I have always found to be relatively logical and well-thought out.

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Zindie's arguments are correct, imo. Voting someone is to be taken as thinking they are scum, unless you do something that generally makes it clear you have another purpose behind it.

No, voting someone indicates you think someone is worth wagonning.

Obviously I think she's possibly scum

- but it's more that I want answers, and the best way to get them is to use the pressure I can bring by placing my vote there.

No, I voted you because you outright lied, which is a scumtell.

Note, once again, how Mr. Fonz fails to address my argument.

I did not lie. Mossy stated it quite well:

Zindie's arguments are correct, imo. Voting someone is to be taken as thinking they are scum, unless you do something that generally makes it clear you have another purpose behind it. The Fonz's vote had nothing to indicate that he did not think her scummy for her vote.

At worst, my statement there was a slight misrepresentation of your post. You're just flat-out reaching here, and ignoring my arguments to boot.

You said I was calling her scum.

At no point did I call her scum.

Emphasis mine. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Let me ask you this: do you not think an OMGUS vote on a virtually-confirmed town power role is worthy of comment?

This is not what I'm arguing, again. What I'm arguing is that if you think it's worthy to comment on

Sacred

's vote, then you

must

also comment on

Mossy

's vote.

Why? Sacred's vote and MoS' vote were pretty much the same. Anything that goes for one, goes for the other. That ought to be obvious.

Actually, I would say that there is a fundamental difference between our votes. Sacred made it clear that there was a reason behind her vote (ie, resulting from the conversation directly preceding it). I did not include a reason at all, rather I made it clear that my vote was a joke vote that I could afford to make, being only the second vote cast on him.

As an aside, I personally did not see Sacred's vote as being that serious. Nightson just said that votes speak for themselves. Then Sacred votes Nightson and says "Interpret". Which, I daresay, gives enough of a hint that it's a statement, not necessarily a push for a lynch.

So Sacred can vote and not be pushing for a lynch/calling someone scum, but when I do it, you attack me for it?

For the last time, I did not ignore MoS' vote. I thought, 'Hmmm... these votes are disturbing. Which of the two should I vote? I've already got more of a read on MoS, and the last few pages have mainly been people arguing with him. Don't have very much on Sacred, so that is the more productive wagon to pursue at this point.' Had only MoS and not Sacred voted Nightson, I'd obviously have voted MoS. It's really not hard.

The Fonz, you *do* realize that we can't read your mind, right? I could say that it was obvious from my vote on Nightson that I didn't know he had claimed, but while it's a reasonable conclusion, you aren't me, and therefore you don't *know* for sure. You say that it was obvious that you felt we were both scum, but you didn't even bother to mention my name or make any comments that included my vote in your suspicions. It was hardly obvious, and making demeaning comments about it isn't going to help your case.

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My vote post included one critical thing to differentiate between joke and seriousness that should be obvious, since

it's the only other thing in the post besides the freakin' vote

.

As for the bolded part of that post, don't play semantics.

*scummy

That better? "You say that it was obvious taht you felt we were both scummy (questionable, suspicious, asstarded, etc, pick a fucking word it's all the same goddamn thing)" My point regarding what you said still stands no matter what synonym you picked.

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My internet is screwy, don't expect much in the way of posting until we get new internet soon.

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Unvote, Vote: Kilroy

He's just stalling and has made a horrible claim. Claimed to be different from a real cop in order to avoid a counterclaim, nothing he has said adds up. With Nanook being so inactive he needed to be replaced, I doubt he was around to send a choice during the extra-short night.

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Then how did you get 4 results? We have had 3 nights, and you claim that Nanook didn't get a choice in last night, so it's not possible for him to have 4 results. That's complete bullshit.

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Unvote, Vote: Blight

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Unvote, Vote: Kilroy

Forgot about the "Papyrus" part. That's clearly bullshit.

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I look forward to Setael's explanation of the suspicion on me. While I can completely see how it might be misinterpreted as me being scum, many of the posts he marked as scummy were part of larger arguments that expanded and clarified the topics of the posts he marked, yet he didn't find those posts scummy. Either he accepts the resulting conversation from a scummy post and no longer finds the post scummy, or he completely disagrees and finds the original post scummy despite the resulting conversation, which would imply that he feels the resulting posts were also scummy. *shrug* Like I said, I look forward to it.

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I have no clue what half the stuff in that second post is talking about...I'm gonna have to go look up what the hell you are referring to.

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I’ll start with MoS, since he’s highest on my list at this point. When the night ended abruptly, he was quite upset and said (post 706):

I'm really pissed off at whoever did this.

Judging from how angry he was about this, it seems he was unable to use a night action, so he’s either mafia or an investigative power role of some kind (as a doc type is unnecessary when there are no NKs). Based on how many power roles have already been killed and/or claimed, it is much more likely that he is mafia. I recognize that he later admitted we profit from the skipped night, but his initial reaction is what I found scummy.

Actually, it has more to do with the fact that I effectively missed like 2 1/2 days, thanks to VD and Albert. Hence my lack of suspicion and forgetting half of what happened.

I also think it’s scummy that in Post 767 when pressed, he wouldn’t give any names and was super noncommittal.

Dunno. The last 2 days or so have gone by without me getting to do much, so I don't even remember where I stand anymore. I'm kindof annoyed at TSS for calling me scum without anything to back it up, but that doesn't make him scum. VD is probably town, and RafK seems legit. I don't remember if anyone else alive has claimed. I think I was suspicious of The Fonz earlier, but we all revived him, and I think I'm a little less suspicious, after seeing the reasons for reviving him. *shrug* I'll have to reevaluate.

I personally think anyone who is Town is more likely to fearlessly bring up any suspicions, whereas mafia has to be really careful, which is what this post looked like to me.

What do you think a Town who has no suspicions would do? Make up some fake suspicions so that they appear fearlessly town? Seriously, what do you expect from me? If anything, I'm being fearlessly honest by telling everyone exactly what I do remember. This post you quoted, now that you mention it, backs up my claim that I did not remember Nightson claiming.

So then post 793 he votes for Nightson, which he later insisted was a joke, which I would buy except… not long after he voted, he said:

Nightson claimed? Didn't know that.

Unvote

If it was a joke, why would it matter if he had claimed or not? And why didn’t he mention the fact that it was just a joke THEN instead of several posts later when he started getting pressured about it?

Why should I have to point out that it was a joke? I felt it was rather obvious it was a joke because of the fact that I

included a RAZZ smiley in the post where I voted, also making the post devoid of anything except the smiley and the vote...

therefore, it was only after it became quite clear that people weren't paying attention that I reminded them it was a joke.

I find Zindaras scummy because he and MoS started agreeing with each other and (without making it too obvious) defending each other after MoS made his “joke vote”. I’d gotten Town vibes from him on Post 238 when he did the Pro-Town call to not quicklynch Nightson, but I guess a clever mafia would do the same thing.

So, is this how you do your scumhunting? You find one scummy thing a person has done, and then you read the rest of their posts with the mindset that they are scum, justifying everything they've done as scummy, even after admitting that they did a protown action?

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Heh... okay, this'll seem coincidental, but it's totally true. I'm gonna post a hypothesis right now, and then give evidence: If MoS is scum, inHimishallbe is most likely scum, too.

This page (which, really, I accidentally visited. It was entirely random,) is rather interesting. I read it with the mindset that MoS was scum, and maybe that's skewed my ability to detect scum, but, let me point out what I see.

First off, why would you read anything with the mindset that I was scum? Why me, in particular, and why do I have to be scum?

He attacks the Fonz (distancing? Maybe. But read on,) and says that he wants to hold off on Nightson (who, correct me if I'm wrong, is giving off a Town vibe, and didn't Albert and he confirm each other?). I'm a

huge

fan of backing Townies early on as scum, buddying up to them and when they die, using their Townieness to give myself +1 Awesome.

Didn't we revive The Fonz? How do you know if I was "distancing" or not, when you haven't seen his role?

How was I "buddying up to" Nightson? HE MADE A BELIEVABLE ROLE CLAIM. It's not like I had no reason to not lynch him. Do you disagree with my post? Do you think that Nightson should've been lynched after his roleclaim? Or, do you believe that we should've kept him alive without even thinking of the possibility that he might be scum? I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with. You seem to be suffering from the same symptoms as Setael. You are fitting the player's actions to an assumed alignment, as opposed to fitting a possible alignment to their actions, which are factual and cannot be changed.

The next post, inHim is all "Rahh! That's the scums! Teh VOTES!" (I do funny voices... they're funny, dammit. No symbolism of intelligence in them, just something to amuse myself.)

However, inHim, in his next post, attacks Nightson. Their exchange is effectively the following (again, voices are purely for my amusement.):

"You're the scums. 'Mod confirm' my ***."
"It was 10 minutes fool."
"Nuh-uh CZECH* THE TIME!...
"Oh. lulz. You're still scums."

Then MoS responds to inHim - which I don't think inHim expected or desired. MoS continues the distancing, and then when the Mod makes his deadline speach, MoS is quick to prove his townieness by mocking the Town for getting this deadline imposed. Not that

he

wants a deadline, but, y'know, c'est la vie.

inHim then disregards MoS's response, but makes sure everyone knows,

I'm still not on the level with MoS,

Okay? He's not on the level. Him and MoS? Not equals. Unequals. Distant unequals. Oops... did I say "distant"? Hmm...

This all happened on one page. I know, I'm lucky. I guess that's why they call me Kilroy.

*Yes, it is actually pronounced "Check".

I have no clue what anything in this quote is referring to, so please quote the posts you are talking about.

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Sweet, I have 3 votes now! You're finally getting somewhere. If only it was going to do you any good.

Gah, I can't make up my mind about Kilroy. I see two possibilities here:

1) He's scum. He was caught replacing a scummy role and made a scummy claim. He decided to direct a lot of derision at anyone who attacked him, trying to get them to back off of him, while also changing the details of his claim so much that no one knows whether or not he was serious or not about the details of his role that don't make sense. While doing this, he was able to sneak in fake mechanics that would back up some of his earlier statements that he was called on.

2) He's town. He decided to have fun at the expense of everyone else in the game, throwing insults and derision at them because he felt like it. He thought it would be funny to make up a bunch of random flavor about his role to confuse people. He decided to make a lot of cryptic statements about his role for some reason, waiting a long time before explaining what he meant by them.

I don't know which one is more likely. My instincts say #1, but my knowledge of him as a bad player makes me think #2.

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I am not a better lynch vote.

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Kilroy, I care less about dying than you do. What I care about is whether or not the town lynches scum. I intend to make sure that we do lynch scum, and that's you.

Setael, if I felt that Kilroy wasn't scum and had someone else I felt was more likely to be scum, I would vote them regardless of the voting situation. To insinuate that I would succumb to peer voting pressure shows that you don't know how I operate. I rarely fail to vote someone I suspect, even if they don't have any other votes in an approaching deadline.

Instead of just assuming that I don't want to change my vote, try looking at my posts regarding Kilroy and respond to them. If you can convince me that he is not scum, I would be more than willing to unvote him. I have already presented the two scenarios that I feel are likely regarding Kilroy, and even Kilroy himself has not attempted to argue against them. I see no reason not to believe the scenario I put forward is true.

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I'm willing to vote Blight, mostly because he voted Albert when he thought he was innocent.

unvote, vote: Blight

Blight, care to claim?

Unvote, Vote: Setael

You worked so hard to attack me and try to convince everyone that I'm scum, and just like that you're "willing to vote Blight"??? What happened to lynching me?

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MoS... did you miss all of these:

I think Kilroy is telling the truth about being a cop because he was such an arrogant, know-it-all jerk about it, and I just don't see anyone doing that to the extent he did if there's a chance we'd eventually find out it wasn't true.

I already addressed this in the post that I asked you to respond to, although I notice that you still failed to honor my request.

As I already said, I’m pretty sure Kilroy’s roleclaim was legitimate and therefore I find the bandwagon on him disturbing. If Kilroy is the detective, the mafia will off him during the next night, right? Why are you doing their job for them? If you think about it, Albert was clearly a crazy type detective who was just getting false info. It makes sense that there would be at least one detective who would get real info.

I now realize Albert wasn't a detective at all, which makes it even more likely that there is a real cop role still among us.

If I’m right, I think that a couple of those votes on Kilroy are mafia. MoS being one likely possibility, and since Nightson is practically a confirmed townie, that leaves three on my radar.

If we actually leave Kilroy alive, I doubt he's going to get nightkilled anytime soon. His claim has too many holes, he's more likely to be lynched first. Plus, if people believe his claim (which I don't), he might get doctor protection (no doctor should take this as advice to protect him over, say, nightson and RafK). Just because Albert wasn't an investigative role doesn't mean that the next person to claim an investigative role is telling the truth. It's entirely possible that we have power roles yet to claim, but you are assuming that the ones we already have are telling the truth, and that any further investigative roles are obviously lying because we'd have too many of them.

As for Kilroy, the main reason I think he's a detective is his antagonistic, patronizing attitude from the moment he roleclaimed. If he was mafia and was going to roleclaim, I think he wouldn't have been so arrogant and repugnant. He seems like the type who wouldn't mind getting lynched so he can tell us all how stupid we were to kill him and lose an investigator. It's actually quite distasteful to defend him, but the chance of more successful investigations is worth not lynching him. In fact, the chance of making the roleblocker to choose between him and Rafk. That alone is worth not lynching him. Plus, why waste our day lynch on someone the mafia will be motivated to use a NK on?

This post says nothing new to respond to, other than choosing between him and RafK. The scum already have to choose between RafK and Nightson anyway.

The votes still on Kilroy are TSS, Thoth and MOS. This is my proposal: those 3 remove their votes and we give Kilroy one night since tonight he will find out another name. Then most likely he will get killed tonight and your work is done for you, no worries. If he's not killed it will be either because the doc protected him or maybe he really is mafia. He can then tell us the name he was given. If you still suspect him, fine. Lynch him and when he comes up cop at least we'll have one more name cleared than we have now. Frankly, I think the mafia will try to kill him as soon as possible because they can't risk him finding out about them, nor can they risk him confirming more innocents.

You are really insistent that Kilroy's going to get killed tonight, and that really bothers me a lot. Why do you think he's going to get killed? If he's such an important role as you claim, why wouldn't he have a chance of getting doc protection? You mention doc protection as if it's a rare possibility.

Keeping your vote on him is nothing more than a good way to insure a no-lynch day. From where I stand, it makes absolutely no sense to kill a claimed cop. If he actually survives the night he'll give us a name and then you can kill him to find out if all the names he's given you are confirmed or not. But why would you insist on doing it NOW? When it gives us no further information? By keeping him alive, we also force the roleblocker AND the mafia to decide between Rafk and Kilroy. The only real reasons I see to keep your vote on him is to avoid him confirming another townie or finding out you're mafia and, of course, helping insure a no-lynch day.

You know what's helping to ensure a no lynch day? You going around derailing the Kilroy wagon. Don't accuse me of trying to cause a no lynch day just because I think Kilroy is scum. We had a fine wagon on him, he could've been lynched. It's not my fault that he wasn't lynched. It's scum like you who are spreading the suspicion around and causing a no lynch.

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@Fonz: You can blame me. I asked that everyone be poked to make sure we're all aware that a deadline is looming. If you're ok with a no lynch day, feel free to leave your vote on Zindaras.

You worked so hard to attack me and try to convince everyone that I'm scum, and just like that you're "willing to vote Blight"??? What happened to lynching me?

Nice try, MoS. Ever heard of a deadline? It’s pretty obvious you’re gunning for a no lynch but I, on the other hand, would hate to see that happen. Yes, I would rather see you lynched, but I am also suspicious of Blight and am therefore willing to vote him in order to avoid a no lynch day.

Actually, instead of playing into the deadline, I would prefer that we pick up discussion enough to get the deadline extended a week or two. In addition, until you and Kilroy unvoted me, I was in fact the lead vote, along with Kilroy. Why would you give up on one of the largest bandwagons if you're so worried about the deadline?

If I'm so obviously scum, the combined reasoning power of yourself and Kilroy should be enough to get me lynched, no?

If we actually leave Kilroy alive, I doubt he's going to get nightkilled anytime soon. His claim has too many holes, he's more likely to be lynched first. Plus, if people believe his claim (which I don't), he might get doctor protection (no doctor should take this as advice to protect him over, say, nightson and RafK). Just because Albert wasn't an investigative role doesn't mean that the next person to claim an investigative role is telling the truth. It's entirely possible that we have power roles yet to claim, but you are assuming that the ones we already have are telling the truth, and that any further investigative roles are obviously lying because we'd have too many of them.

You're not hearing me. Yes, I think he's a legit cop but I do not deny that there is a chance the role claim was bogus. I'm not saying never kill him, I'm saying wait and get another name from him tomorrow. Then if you still think his claim is bogus, kill him and at least we'll have one more name confirmed. The only person this doesn't benefit is mafia.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that you were advocating never killing him. I'm saying that it's unlikely the scum will try to kill him, and if they do (meaning he would actually be protown in that instance), they might run into doc protection (not a suggestion). As for the plan to leave him alive one day, I can deal with that. Kilroy, since your last choice was sent 2 nights ago, you should get two results tonight and submit two new ones, yes?

You are really insistent that Kilroy's going to get killed tonight, and that really bothers me a lot. Why do you think he's going to get killed? If he's such an important role as you claim, why wouldn't he have a chance of getting doc protection? You mention doc protection as if it's a rare possibility.

This is an outright lie. How is the following being insistent he's going to get killed tonight?

If he's not killed it will be either because the doc protected him or maybe he really is mafia. He can then tell us the name he was given. If you still suspect him, fine. Lynch him and when he comes up cop at least we'll have one more name cleared than we have now.

Yeah, let's see about that. In the four quotes that you gave me alone, you said the following in regards to Kilroy:

If Kilroy is the detective, the mafia will off him during the next night, right?

Plus, why waste our day lynch on someone the mafia will be motivated to use a NK on?

Then most likely he will get killed tonight and your work is done for you, no worries.

The last two are broken quotes, because I didn't want to take up space by copying the entire thing.

If he's not killed...

If he actually survives the night...

5 times in 4 paragraphs. No, you're not at all being insistent that he'll be killed tonight...[/sarcasm]

You know what's helping to ensure a no lynch day? You going around derailing the Kilroy wagon. Don't accuse me of trying to cause a no lynch day just because I think Kilroy is scum. We had a fine wagon on him, he could've been lynched. It's not my fault that he wasn't lynched. It's scum like you who are spreading the suspicion around and causing a no lynch.

You had a “fine wagon” going on a claimed cop. The fact that you think he's scummy is beside the point right now because there's a chance he's telling us the truth, in which case ONLY mafia would want him lynched. You cannot explain to me why you would kill someone who might receive a confirmation on another person tonight because IT MAKES NO SENSE. Pointing out how hard you tried to kill a claimed cop just makes you look scummier and scummier. Can't say I blame you for trying to get him killed though. If you're mafia, which I think is a distinct possibility - if your name is the one that's been asked about, you've got big problems.

You can't accuse me of both wanting a no lynch and wanting Kilroy lynched. Either I was trying to get Kilroy lynched instead of a no lynch, or I was voting Kilroy in order to cause a no lynch. You can't have it both ways, make up your mind.

Hasn't Kilroy already told us his night choices? I don't believe my name was on them at all, although if it was, that would certainly help. Now that I think of it, leaving Kilroy alive is better and better. If he's genuinely town, he'll investigate me and realize that I'm protown. If he's scum, he'll fake a guilty result on me and I'll know he's scum.

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You can't accuse me of both wanting a no lynch and wanting Kilroy lynched. Either I was trying to get Kilroy lynched instead of a no lynch, or I was voting Kilroy in order to cause a no lynch. You can't have it both ways, make up your mind.

To me it is the same thing, because there's no way enough people would vote for a claimed cop so voting for him is the same as pushing for a no lynch.

Except that we once had enough votes for him to be lynched at deadline, so I wasn't pushing for no lynch at all. Nice try, though.

Hasn't Kilroy already told us his night choices? I don't believe my name was on them at all, although if it was, that would certainly help. Now that I think of it, leaving Kilroy alive is better and better. If he's genuinely town, he'll investigate me and realize that I'm protown. If he's scum, he'll fake a guilty result on me and I'll know he's scum.

Except what if he gets a guilty read on you because you're scum and he's the cop? The more pro-Town option would be to lynch you and if you turn up mafia we have a confirmed cop. The much more scummy option (and I'm not surprised this was the only one you thought of) would be to just believe you and lynch a possible cop. If we did that and he turned up the cop, sure we could kill you but then the cop would be dead. This ONLY benefits mafia. All we could say is "Oh oops he really was the cop - we shouldn't have killed him", whereas if you came up Town then Kilroy is confirmed mafia and we'd kill him.

Thanks for falling into my trap, Setael. I wanted to see if you were actually taking what I said at face-value and then analyzing it, or if you were just trying to skew everything I said in a scummy way to get me lynched. I never said that we would lynch Kilroy if he claimed guilty on me. You put those words in my mouth. I merely said that if he claimed guilty on me,

I

would know he was scum. Also, you once again make assumptions about me, because what if my role was more valuable than Kilroy's? Then lynching him first would be the more protown option. You don't know my role at all, so you're making bad assumptions in order to try and make me look bad. If I have an important role and Kilroy is scum, then sure you could kill me first and then lynch him as confirmed mafia, but I'd still be dead. You see, your own arguments work against you if you look at the bigger picture. You don't know enough about me to be making these kinds of statements, and you're just digging yourself a digger hole by pushing at me without anything to stand on.

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Setael, I didn't say I had a better role, nor am I going to claim my role. I'm just saying that you didn't consider all the possibilities because you're assuming that I'm scum. However, I would like to ask this question. Let's say, for example, that Kilroy says I'm scum, and I claimed roleblocker, with results to back up my claim. Would you say that Kilroy's role is so much more important than mine that you should lynch me just because you think I'm scummy, even though you admit that Kilroy could be bullshitting us all?

Acting like Kilroy is not going to go over well with me, by the way. I can almost give Kilroy a pass for a day because of his behavior, but condescension and derision are not going to make me think you are protown. Try acting a little more mature if you want to be believed.

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No wonder you're mad at me. I foiled your evil genius plan to kill the cop.

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I did like his kilroy defense (which was the reason I unvoted kilroy for today), but that's not necesarrily a point in his favour if he really thought we needed 8 to lynch (so looking at an almost certain no lynch from his point of view at that time).

If I was mafia the last thing I would do is defend the cop so vehemently when you were all jumping on the wagon to lynch him. I'd have let him go down in flames, thrilled that he wasn't going to clear anyone else or do anything further to hinder the mafia.

You realize how very much WIFOM this is, right? Scum could easily decide that if they defended the cop and kept him from getting lynched and then nightkilled him later (you were very insistent that he would end up dead, I remind you), you would get huge brownie points for defending him, at no cost to yourself. Also, because you defended him, he would be very unlikely to target you, so you wouldn't have to worry about him exposing you as scum if he lived. Most scum are willing to trade a few confirmed townies to get in good with the town.

Thoth, I think you are Town since you were killed by the mafia and then revived by a Townie. I am on my knees begging you not to get us both killed. In my opinion, you are confirmed Town since you were killed by the mafia and then revived by a Townie. I recognize that all the "safe claim" stuff you can say is true. There's nothing I can do about that, that's my character. I had no choice but to warn all Townies that if they vote me they will also die which REALLY helps the mafia. If I'm going to die, at least let someone who is not as confirmed Town as you are hammer me. Then when we both die there's a chance they're mafia, and if they're not at least they were someone the Town couldn't be so sure about. The worst thing that could happen is you and I both die, or maybe Rafk and I or Nightson and I. If I'm going to die at deadline, don't let me take down a practically confirmed Townie with me.

Appeal to authority, Appeal to emotion, need I go on?

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That was supposed to be a quote of Setael, not Thoth. I messed up my editing.

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Who said that you can't be Super Saint Scum? huh, good alliteration

Either way, my refusal or agreement to hammer you is the same as The Fonz's. I'm not going to let people go rolefishing on me.

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I notice MoS hasn't claimed amidst all of this. MoS, perhaps it would change my mind if you would claim.

Yeah MoS you've got two votes on you and deadline is in a week, must be claiming time.

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I think Nightson hit the nail on the head.

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To be honest, I just thought of an easier way to do this. Let's just lynch the second scummiest person today, and we'll confirm Blight tonight by having him kill Setael. I doubt the mafia will also kill Setael to stop us from confirming Blight, and even if they did, they are wasting their kill, so we profit either way. Even Setael should be fine with this plan, since he's so worried about having someone protown die from hammer him. We'll go lynch one of his scumbuddies and vig him tonight. Then, no one has to worry about whether or not he's scum with that role ability, and no one can go rolefishing for reactions based on who will and will not hammer.

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Only problem with that plan, MoS, is he said 'whoever is responsible for killing him' will commit suicide, meaning if he gets vigged and is telling the truth, we lose our vig.

I interpreted it as lynch-only. If it works for both lynching and killing, then I'm pretty sure it's bullshit. The lynch-only role was rare, but at least people used it occasionally.

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Setael, why are you trying to get Kilroy killed? The doc does *not* have to protect RafK. The doc can protect whoever they want, stop directing our protection. You *really* want to see Kilroy dead, don't you? That's like the 8th time you've assumed he's most likely going to end up dead tomorrow.

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No. Blight's plan can work without you directing the fucking doc. That's what I'm fucking getting at. You seem bound and determined to make sure that Kilroy is going to die tonight, because you defended him today and therefore have an alibi. At least, you would have one if I wasn't on to you.

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...you're not getting the point. Even *IF* RafK needs to survive the night, you do

NOT

direct

the ****ing DOC!!!!! What part of this is not getting through to you?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Saying "in order for this plan to work, the doc would need to protect Rafk" is hardly directing the doc. He is still, obviously, free to do whatever he wants.

Which of the following statements are not true?

In order for Rafk to confirm a role the following day, he needs to survive the night.
Rafk is practically a confirmed cop.
Rafk will likely be a target tonight.
If targeted (which is likely), Rafk would need to be protected by the doc in order to survive the night.

I don't see what's so alarming about anything I said. The only thing that was wrong about it was I was thinking Kilroy had no way of confirming me tonight so it had to be Rafk. I now realize it could be either of them if that is what they choose to do. So quit freaking out about it and accusing me of

directing

the doc, which I never did.

Except for the fact that the scum are less likely to target someone that they think the doc will protect. The doc is always likely to protect a high-profile power role, but the scum don't know which power role will be protected, so they are better off killing someone else to make sure they get a kill that night. By you saying that RafK needs to be protected and that the mafia will most likely target him, you are convincing the doc to protect RafK which will then fulfill your prophecy that Kilroy will die (assuming he isn't scum, of course). The scum will just kill a different power role if they think that the doc is definitely going to target RafK, so you publicly thinking about who the doc needs to protect would give them insight on what's going to happen, since the doc is often influenced by what people say in thread. That's why it's never protown to speculate on who the doc should protect.

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Setael, directing the cops is almost as bad as the doing it to the docs. They can investigate you if they feel like it, but they are not required to do so. I agree that at least one of them should do so, but both is a bit overkill.

[Mastermind of Sin]

*sigh* Gah, now I'm having second thoughts. I can't tell if Setael is being genuine or not, because his actions right now seem pretty genuine, but he could just be playing really well right now after getting caught as scum. Grrrrr....

Unvote

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sorry setael

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Why?

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Oh, Fonzy, how could I forget Fonzy? Fonzy would make a good lynch. Oh yes he would. Somewhat less good than TSS, but better than Mossy, surely.

Mossy: So far I've been pretty good at looking through your weird playstyle and see you as town. I'm completely missing that vibe in this game. I probably need to do a more in-depth analysis, but I trust my gut on this one.

This game is missing a lot of things.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote: Niempie

Avoiding a no lynch/lynch on Setael. This sucks.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Kilroy, did you get any results last night? Who did you target? RafK, can you confirm Setael?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Kilroy, do you realize that you want to lynch 7 of the 11 other players in the game? In fact, there couldn't possibly be that many scum. Look at the number of scum dead. Running the numbers, your lynch list isn't really going to help. Overall, you might have listed all the scum, but if everyone not on your list dies, we won't have time to lynch them all. You're planning way too far ahead to be accurate.

Thusly, you need to shorten your list to something reasonable. How are you going to find scum with such a broad list? Everyone is going to disregard you if you just say we all need to be lynched. For example, shorten your list to about 4 people and give reasons. Over time, your list may change or expand. Now, though, the compactness of if will be useful to both yourself and the rest of the town, I assure you. So try to take something from what I've said, so that you can be of more use in finding scum.

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Kilroy, why did you think The Fonz was scum? Investigating him was a horrible choice. He was revived for the very fact that he was most likely town, because we believe the scum killed him. I don't think you're scum, unless you're a mafia cop, but The Fonz as a choice isn't logical in any mode of thinking other than insanity. For going around calling people stupid, you really do stupid stuff yourself, and you seem to do it often. What a hypocrit.

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Thoth, it'd be really nice if you could indulge me and let Kilroy answer for himself. Say he was scum and didn't really investigate The Fonz, but he didn't want to clear a really scummy player. You just gave him an answer he could paraphrase and feed back to me as to why he targetted The Fonz, and I wouldn't know if he was being truthful or if he really was scum.

I agree with the suspicion of Nightson, but I don't think I'm ready to lynch him today. Not really sure who I want to lynch at this point. Most of my main suspects have come up clean.

Waiting to hear RafK's result.

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Vote: TSS

You have been full of bullshit arguments all game, and now you're attacking our claimed cop, who has merely proven himself a douchebag, not scum. I see no reason not to trust his results at this time. He shouldn't get free passes, hence my questioning of him, but voting him is out of the question at this point in the game. Thanks for volunteering to be scum, though.

Although I have to say, investigating me would've been cool, but whatever. As long as I don't get randomly lynched, I don't really care.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Rofl.

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I believe Setael was thinking that the cult ceased to be a cult when the cult leader died, which is actually often the case. I second Setael's call for the former cult members to come forward.

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I'm here!

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Who wants to translate them?

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I don't know. We should keep lynching TSS, though.

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ooh Shanghai! Sounds like fun. Buy me souvenirs!

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We need like mass prods on this entire game. 10 bucks says scum are lurking their asses off right now. I actually think that Zindie, The Fonz, Setael, Thoth, and Nightson are less likely to be scum because of this, although Thoth and Nightson less so since they were just letting us know they would be lurking for a reason.

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I suck at translating hieroglyphs.

I totally read this as "I suck at transisting hieroglyphs."

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LoL! Now, if you'd posted that in the mish mash "Do not laugh" thread, I would've lost

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*bump*

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I *am* voting TSS.

Vote: The Silent Speaker

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How many votes does TSS have? I am not opposed to voting him, but I'm going to reread him first.

Also, I have a question re: kilroy. How long are we thinking to leave him alive assuming he's the cop? Up until nearly lylo? I can see that, so that he is able to make as many investigations as possible. Hopefully something will happen to confirm him - like he hits a scum. If not, I think we have to lynch him before lylo to confirm all the people he's investigated. Also, I think kilroy should create a code with the name he has already turned in that he will find out about tonight. That would prevent him from (if he is scum after all) changing it depending upon who is NK'd. Any thoughts?

No. We are not lynching Kilroy any time soon.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Second one could be "Protect [blank] to arm your father"...

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No. We are not lynching my scum buddy any time soon.

Fixed.

Nice try, but that's not going to fly. You've been trying to get me lynched on shitty reasoning all game.

[Mastermind of Sin]

And my answer was, "No." How hard was that?

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I understand your point. And my point is, NO. We are NOT lynching Kilroy if we get near endgame. The scum will be retarded if they leave him alive that long. I am about 99% sure he isn't lying about his role based on what I've seen so far, so he's a real threat to the scum.

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By the way, if something dumb happens like the scum kill me tonight so that they can push a Kilroy lynch without opposition, just remember that I'll be confirmed protown when I'm dead, so you can trust me more than you can anyone else in the game.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I don't remember them, but I can say with probable assuredness that they are wrong and formulated in the mind of a scum.

QFT

Now let's lynch TSS

[Mastermind of Sin]

# of people who posted on the last page + this page: 9
That leaves 3 more.

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Here's some posts worth looking at. This is not to say that you shouldn't still read all his posts. This is just a very small highlight.

I read it as our revival isn't *necessarily* the only means of revival. We might get roles revealed once we've used it, or some of them anyway.

Yos is likely to be about our best target for revival

, but we might also want to wait a day or two to see what else develops. (And if he

is

a SK, Pinky, he's also an excellent player, and I'm confident that he

will

find scum.) Yesterday we all pretty much agreed that we shouldn't jump the gun oversoon on this, and I wonder at the speed with which Albert, Phoebus and Nanook are willing to discard yesterday's consensus.

*sigh*

I don't favor reviving Yos either. I believe I have said this multiple times.

This is especially true with a claimed cop we need a deterrent for. I am simply pointing out that RafK has made an assertion that is not true. How is that "prying too hard"?

I don't think we should throw around blame here, I'm guessing that over half the town hadn't read Damien's post.

I say that's a darned good reason for assigning blame.

Vote: MOS, FOS Blight

. That post was not in the middle of a posting explosion to bury it.

This was his first suspicion of me, and it was because I didn't know about VanDamien's claim.

MOS, we don't gain information. Our profit is in restoration of the balance between scum and town. The nightkills push that balance in favor of scum, and lynching pushes it back in favor of town. Albert gave it a nudge in the wrong direction and Van Damien gave it a corrective nudge. If it helps, like RafK said, visualize it as if it's just a long day 3 with a dayvig in the middle. This shouldn't be blamed for the activity levels.

I don't know why I'm bothering to explain this to you, since you're so clearly scum.

His very next post says that I'm "so clearly scum".

Aaaand MOS continues to spread misinformation. Zindie is not premising her attack on the Fonz on his vote of

her

-- she is premising her vote on the Fonz on his vote of

Sacred

. (And more to the point, on the Fonz using his vote of Sacred to conceal MOS's own complicity in what Sacred did.) It happens that I agree with Zindie on this, but

MOS

in pinning what he 'agrees with' on Zindie is telling lies.

It so happens that I could see Sacred's vote as more saying "Speaks for itself? Speaks for itself

this

, pal." than "OMG SCUM!" but I still call his neglect of Nightson's claim worthy of a FOS. MOS, however, hopped on the bandwagon, which is much, much worse. It can't reasonably be construed as a joke at all, and the idea that MOS was unaware of the role claim is utter BS. MOS is the one who has just been complaining about how no one is doing anything -- now he says he isn't familiar with what

has

been done? Come

on

.

The first paragraph of this attack on me was blatantly false, since the "her" I referred to was Sacred, not Zindie (who I'm pretty sure is male...)

[Mastermind of Sin]

Why am I the only person watching this thread? We really

do

need mass prods. Anyone who has not posted on this page needs to be poked.

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TSS, just because you were hedging your bets doesn't change the fact that you were supporting a Yos revival.

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So The Fonz, who are you voting? If you're not voting TSS, why?

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Existence of cult probably means a larger mafia group to balance it out. Just sayin'.

Still waiting for TSS to explain the BS he's been spouting.

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It's safer to assume 3 than less.

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yea I was in it.

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muahahaha. I am the new Zindie.

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omgwtfbbqbump!

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THEY ARE BOTH CUTERER!

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Hmm, I didn't get a prod, I am however here now.

I don't like a lot of the interaction between MoS and Killroy, especially the way they were each votin eahc other then removing the votes, then voting each other and then removing the votes, and so on. And I found Killroy's actions at the end of the other day to be very scummy. I'm inclined to think that both of them are scum.

Keep think that and see where it gets us...

I'm leaning towards TSS being town, although I haven't ruled out him simply being in a different scumgroup.

Why? You haven't given any

reason

to think TSS is protown, whereas there is plenty of reason to think he is scum.

I don't really have an opinion about Thoth, Zindie (although he's been active, it's those cute kittens, they disarm me so), YogurtBandit, or Inhim. I'm going to look through and try to get a better idea about them.

I have kittens, too!

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Actually, Setael, that's not the main argument I'm making at all. TSS's comments about Yos certainly help damn him, but my main suspicion came first from these posts, then from reading his interaction with RafK, which doesn't look protown

at all

.

I don't think we should throw around blame here, I'm guessing that over half the town hadn't read Damien's post.

I say that's a darned good reason for assigning blame.

Vote: MOS, FOS Blight

. That post was not in the middle of a posting explosion to bury it.

Aaaand MOS continues to spread misinformation. Zindie is not premising her attack on the Fonz on his vote of

her

-- she is premising her vote on the Fonz on his vote of

Sacred

. (And more to the point, on the Fonz using his vote of Sacred to conceal MOS's own complicity in what Sacred did.) It happens that I agree with Zindie on this, but

MOS

in pinning what he 'agrees with' on Zindie is telling lies.

It so happens that I could see Sacred's vote as more saying "Speaks for itself? Speaks for itself

this

, pal." than "OMG SCUM!" but I still call his neglect of Nightson's claim worthy of a FOS. MOS, however, hopped on the bandwagon, which is much, much worse. It can't reasonably be construed as a joke at all, and the idea that MOS was unaware of the role claim is utter BS. MOS is the one who has just been complaining about how no one is doing anything -- now he says he isn't familiar with what

has

been done? Come

on

.

These posts were completely refuted, and TSS has completely ignored this fact and continued pushing, adding Kilroy to his suspicion list, another scummy action, since Kilroy is most likely protown.

And now I'm suspicious of Setael for her illogical defense of TSS, plus misdirection away from half the case against him to focus only on the other half.

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I will not be able to post content until this weekend. I have an Ultimate tournament this weekend.

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Changed my mind. I really don't see a scum Kilroy trying to pull something like this off.

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Setael, how about you actually respond to the people who

already said why your reasons for TSS being town are off

, instead of ignoring them and diverting the attention back onto other people?

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Good job ignoring The Fonz and turning your supposed "response" into another attack on me. Just goes to show that you're not actually trying to do anything here but make me look scummy.

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He has been nothing but obstructionist all game, he responded to a direct question with an outright lie whose only purpose was to muddy the waters when he was called on it and was forced to make the claim he purports as true; the various elements of the claim that he has maintained cast serious doubt on his protestations that he thought he would get away with lying because "it was obvious" (note, by the way, that this protestation in no way explains why he did it, only why he felt we shouldn't lynch him for it); he has openly admited to choosing targets with obstructionism, rather than the town's best interests, in mind; his claimed flavor of a cartoon character is ridiculously out of place among our gods, demigods and kings; his play at the end of yesterday with Setael, which might I remind you I predicted, was vile; he is only one of no fewer than three claimed cop roles.

As against this MOS sets "Changed my mind. I really don't see a scum Kilroy trying to pull something like this off." In other words, gut. And he has the temerity to call

my

refusal, which is basd on five separate clearly articulated reasons, to follow

his

gut, which is based on

nothing

articulable, to be the scummy reaction?

But then, MOS is self-interested. I think he's scum. Know why? GUT. OMG NOW MOS MUST VOTE HIMSELF!!1!7!

Haha very funny. It's not like it came out of nowhere that I was considering him more protown.

Acting like Kilroy is not going to go over well with me, by the way. I can almost give Kilroy a pass for a day because of his behavior, but condescension and derision are not going to make me think you are protown. Try acting a little more mature if you want to be believed.

Also because Kilroy, in stating his so-called investigation, challenged me personally, "What's wrong, TSS? Afraid that you're coming under scrutiny next, since I didn't follow everyone's expectations and investigate MoS?" Since I never mentioned MOS as an investigation target for Kilroy, nor in fact do I immediately recall that anyone did, I conclude that Kilroy *knew* that MOS was worth investigating, ergo they are scum together.

And again you don't even consider the facts. It's not like Kilroy made a case against me and said he was going to investigate me the day before.

Heh... okay, this'll seem coincidental, but it's totally true. I'm gonna post a hypothesis right now, and then give evidence: If MoS is scum, inHimishallbe is most likely scum, too.

This page (which, really, I accidentally visited. It was entirely random,) is rather interesting. I read it with the mindset that MoS was scum, and maybe that's skewed my ability to detect scum, but, let me point out what I see.

He attacks the Fonz (distancing? Maybe. But read on,) and says that he wants to hold off on Nightson (who, correct me if I'm wrong, is giving off a Town vibe, and didn't Albert and he confirm each other?). I'm a

huge

fan of backing Townies early on as scum, buddying up to them and when they die, using their Townieness to give myself +1 Awesome.

The next post, inHim is all "Rahh! That's the scums! Teh VOTES!" (I do funny voices... they're funny, dammit. No symbolism of intelligence in them, just something to amuse myself.)

However, inHim, in his next post, attacks Nightson. Their exchange is effectively the following (again, voices are purely for my amusement.):

"You're the scums. 'Mod confirm' my ***."
"It was 10 minutes fool."
"Nuh-uh CZECH* THE TIME!...
"Oh. lulz. You're still scums."

Then MoS responds to inHim - which I don't think inHim expected or desired. MoS continues the distancing, and then when the Mod makes his deadline speach, MoS is quick to prove his townieness by mocking the Town for getting this deadline imposed. Not that

he

wants a deadline, but, y'know, c'est la vie.

inHim then disregards MoS's response, but makes sure everyone knows,

I'm still not on the level with MoS,

Okay? He's not on the level. Him and MoS? Not equals. Unequals. Distant unequals. Oops... did I say "distant"? Hmm...

This all happened on one page. I know, I'm lucky. I guess that's why they call me Kilroy.

*Yes, it is actually pronounced "Check".

Did you not bother to read the linked page? If not, I have no sympathy for you. It's really very clear if you actually... read it.

I am seeing if you being scum fits with what you did, and, if you'll look, it's actually rather compelling. Not only that, I noticed you and inHim have an interesting exchange, along with Nightson and inHim.

Didn't we revive The Fonz? How do you know if I was "distancing" or not, when you haven't seen his role?

I... very specifically put a question mark after the word. It seems weird to bring that point specifically up. More on that later, I suppose. (Like, later in the game. When one of the three of you is dead.)

How was I "buddying up to" Nightson? HE MADE A BELIEVABLE ROLE CLAIM.

And that's all well and good. Anyone can make a believable role claim. It's how people react to the believable role claim that tells you things about them. You made a very non-committal response to Nightson's claim of being Mr. Carter. Your statement allowed you to go one way or the other, and it feels to me (yes, intuition is unprovable, but that's what you get.) like you intended on siding with him in case of a 'wagon. I can't prove that, since Albert was kind enough to have the two of them confirm each other.

It's interesting, now that I think about it, that you

didn't

try to throw any suspicion on Nightson. It was actually pretty easy back then. Y'know, before Albert and Nightson had their exchange. You haven't really been one to give reasons - since I've shown up, you've voted for me, Blight and me again. And you never once gave an actual reason. You had your whole "You're clearly bullshit" line, which I thought was rather clever wordplay on your part, but, aside from that, you're throwin' your vote around like it's a gosh durn'd hot potater. Now why would you be doing that?

I'm sure I had another point, but it's early, and I'm running on Mountain Dew, so... **** if I remember. Oh - I did think it was interesting that Nightson doesn't feel like unvoting me, even if he believes that I'm a cop. Really? You're that petty? Oh, well.

Oh! That's what I meant to do before I hit submit!

Unvote, Vote: Mastermind of Sin

.

And that's just a small example to prove my point. That whole argument went back and forth, but you seemed to have missed it completely. Heck,

somehow you got the idea that I had never posted very much content!

Shit, you even quoted some of the same things that were quoted in Kilroy's case against me. Surely you didn't miss out on him thinking I'm scum...

I went back to try and justify my gut with MOSquotes, and I didn't find much before Van Damien's Night. I think that's what prompted the gut: MOS made a fair number of posts, but (aside from being quite sure of The Fonz's guilt, a suspicion he has now completely dropped) very little content.

Yea, I haven't posted very much content at all. I didn't have

any

huge arguments with people where I presented a lot of evidence and put real effort into the game. [/sarcasm]

What a hypocrit. You have way less content than me, and you accuse

me

of being suspicious? Bullshit.

There is also the fact that in several places he lay groundwork for a plea of not being up on what was going on; consider these quotes:

What is suspicious about it? Why do you feel that scum are less likely to pay attention to the thread?

wtf it's Day 3?

How did that happen?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Front post said "lynched", so I assumed...*shrug*

I'm really pissed off at whoever did this. First Albert, now this. I've missed like a day and a half, and 2 nights, because of their stupid shit.

What do you think my motives would be for telling everyone that I did not see Van Damien's post, if I were scum?

"Oh, don't look at me! I'm hardly paying attention! Scum would be way more attentive to the game than I am!"

Or, instead of making up a convoluted theory,

I actually DID miss parts of the game...

imagine that!

MOS was one of the people who was very upset about the missing night, whch clearly was good for the town. In particular he asked Thoth, who defended VD, "What information have we gained by having a night where nothing happened?" and again, "And what info did you gain, Thoth?"

Thoth did not use the word "information" at all in the post MOS quoted.

This is fishing at its best.

That's because I misread what he said.

Way to completely ignore half the evidence and twist what you actually reference so that it's completely out of context. I've said it once, and I'll say it again, since you ignored it the last time, apparently:

MOS, we don't gain information. Our profit is in restoration of the balance between scum and town. The nightkills push that balance in favor of scum, and lynching pushes it back in favor of town. Albert gave it a nudge in the wrong direction and Van Damien gave it a corrective nudge. If it helps, like RafK said, visualize it as if it's just a long day 3 with a dayvig in the middle. This shouldn't be blamed for the activity levels.

I don't know why I'm bothering to explain this to you, since you're so clearly scum.

Did you miss the fact where I agreed that we profit from having Van Damien end the night quickly? The only thing I did was question whether or not we gained

information

from ending the night quickly, something you have claimed to agree with. So, I fail to see how you are explaining anything new to me. In fact, it looks very much like you are just agreeing with me and then turning around to call me scum.

Anyway, get in line. Thesp and others got there first. You have to grab a ticket to be someone to say I'm so clearly scum and be so clearly wrong. I'll call you when your number's up.

Ironically enough, the reference to Thesp was Kingmaker, where I

was

town. Who knew? Hell, my play in Kingmaker is fairly comparable to this one, even.

Or how about this:

Nightson claimed? Didn't know that.

How was I "buddying up to" Nightson? HE MADE A BELIEVABLE ROLE CLAIM.

Way to omit the fact that the two posts happened over a week apart. The forgetting one came first, and then I was informed of his claim, so when I made the second post a week later, I remembered the claim. Good job failing on that one, TSS.

Enough with pushing the bullshit case, TSS. You're just digging yourself a hole here.

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Rofl! That's exactly how I feel.

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Or, instead of making up a convoluted theory, I actually DID miss parts of the game...imagine that!

The point was not that you missed parts of the gam. The point was that you felt it necessary, over and over and over again, to call attention to the fact that you missed part of the game.

In almost all of those cases, it was information that was pertinent at the time (ie, something had just happened to make me miss out on the game, someone had just asked me why I didn't know about X, someone had just said it was scummy that I hadn't posted much during X time period, etc). It's not like I just made a bunch of gratuitous posts.

The forgetting one came first, and then I was informed of his claim, so when I made the second post a week later, I remembered the claim.

Obviously the first post was made after you remembered he had claimed, too, else you couldn't have acknowledged that you had missed it. But the post in which you were accused of buddying up to Nightson came BEFORE, at around the time the claim was made. If Nightson's roleclaim had been a reason for your actions THEN, you did know at the time and hould have remembered or been reminded with even a cursory run-through of your own posts.

I don't look through my own posts unless I have a lot of reason to. It's generally a waste of time for me to read through my own posts. I don't really give a damn if I'm consistent with what I say when I'm town, that's something scum would do.

My post where I was accused of buddying up to Nightson came on June 23rd. My post where I voted Nightson and had forgotten about his claime came on August 21st. I fail to see how you expect there to be any correlation between these two time periods.

Did you miss the fact where I agreed that we profit from having Van Damien end the night quickly? The only thing I did was question whether or not we gained information from ending the night quickly, something you have claimed to agree with.

The first time, I imagine I did miss the fact; on reread I was surprised to see that you did indeed agree to just that. But in my last post I didn't premise my argument that you were claiming we didn't profit, but that you were asking specifically Thoth what information he personally garnered; i.e. fishing.

I already responded to that a long time ago, in my last response.

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That's because I misread what he said.

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I will not support a lurkerwagon. Instead of wagoning randomly,

Mod, can we get prods/replacements on Van Damien, YogurtBandit, and inHimshallibe?

I'm not going to let you shift attention onto a lurkerwagon to save yourself.

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So, where is RafK?

Also, I just now noticed that Sacred was scum (on the front page). Has anyone looked back at Sacred to see if there are connections with other players?

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The more pro-Town option would be to lynch you and if you turn up mafia we have a confirmed cop.

I think that, at most, we'd have a cop who is more likely to be real, not confirmed. Because scum can also go against scum and I think it's rare for one lynch to effectively

confirm

someone.
This would be true if Kilroy had an investigation on MoS and we couldn't decide which one to believe. But I don't think that's what you meant.

Just throwing this out there as more proof that there was talk about Kilroy investigating me.

I find it amusing that TSS got on my case for something Sacred

also

did, and that Sacred mildly attacked both TSS *and* Setael, but never tried to actually put suspicion on them, instead just saying their cases were "weak".

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Gotta hate it when the mod comes in and *****-slaps your previous comment, huh? God, that must suck.

Au contraire. It means I can go back to voting you with a clean conscience. And then after you're dead we can go after your scum buddy, who you're in open alliance with.

Unvote, vote: Kilroy

LoL. I'm getting really tired of you being scum.

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So, where is RafK?

Also, I just now noticed that Sacred was scum (on the front page). Has anyone looked back at Sacred to see if there are connections with other players?

I did, first thing today.

My gut's telling me that TSS, Setael and MoS are scum. The problem is that it's likely that we're also spending a lot of our time infighting and ignoring the lurkers, who do present, by the way, a danger.

So, in that way, TSS does have a point. Of course, he is blatantly trying to get someone else lynched.

Then why are you not helping lynch TSS/Setael? Even if I'm pulling off an elaborate bussing, I'm still giving you two scum. I would gladly sacrifice myself for two scum.

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Even if I'm pulling off an elaborate bussing, I'm still giving you two scum. I would gladly sacrifice myself for two scum.

Even if I were scum, there are two scumgroups: the killers and the cult. You could honestly believe you were giving two scum and not busing at all.

Oh, so it's possible for me to have found two scum and not be of the same alignment as them? Ok, thanks for letting us know.

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lol.

I think we're done with this line of discussion until we get some more replacements. We've degraded (and i'm talking about myself as well) to making stupid misinterpretations of what we say just for effect without actually saying something relevant.

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I agree with

MOS is ri

Although I disagree with MOS on principle, I independently thought something that by sheer coincidence maps unusually well onto his last comment.

QFT. Same thing happened to me.

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whoohoo! Now we can get back to lynching TSS, hopefully.

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but not dusk? lol.

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We're getting in like 2 posts every 24 hours. That's a bad pace, people. I know a lot of people just replaced, but everyone else is just sitting there.

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We could use some contribution from Thoth, and VanDamien

still

needs to be replaced.

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ooh, me me!!!!

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The game is currently polarised, with MoS

, Kilroy,

and I suspecting The Silent Speaker, and The Silent Speaker and Setael suspecting MoS

and Kilroy

.

fixed.

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The game is currently polarised, with MoS, Kilroy, and I suspecting The Silent Speaker

and Setael

, and The Silent Speaker and Setael suspecting MoS and Kilroy.

Fixed. Also, I suspect Fonz some, but of cultage, not of killage; also I'm not sure who I like best as a posited partner for him and I want to see more interactions before deciding.

I'm not trying to get Setael lynched right now. Just you.

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I'm not trying to get Setael lynched right now. Just you.

I'm not trying to get you lynched right now, just Kilroy. But I

suspect

you, as it says in the post, and equally you suspect me.

But at least you've been trying to get me lynched *today*.

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vote: kilroy

I'm tired of it. I don't even care if you're scum. I'll either see you dead or me replaced.

Nightson, don't to that. Kilroy isn't scum. Just ignore him, like I do. You don't have to listen to anything he says. It's not like he's helping the game. Everything he says that contributes is something I already said, so just read my posts and not his. If you want, I'll even repeat his investigations each day so that you don't have to read that post either. Just don't make votes like that out of frustration on a claimed cop. We can't afford to replace you, we haven't even replaced people who have been gone for

two months

.

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*bump*

Time to kill TSS, people.

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Where are the old players who were supposed to not lurk? Where is the replacement for YB? Where is the mod?

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TSS, what a liar. My case on you doesn't really have much to do with Kilroy at all. You're out and out lying to the town by saying that's the case.

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Has someone prodded our

mod

lately? I don't want this game to get abandoned. We've been waiting for mod action for weeks. Plus, the replacements have had ample time to read the

game

by now, not just me or TSS. I'd like to hear some comments.

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I'm pretty sure I made a big deal about some of the bullshit comments you made towards me earlier in the game. Your horrible attack on Kilroy merely cemented the deal. I suspected you way before that happened.

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Good choice.

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He speaks the truth. Your summary is basically what has "happened" since everything stopped happening. I'd rather have your views on what happened before this game went to a standstill, especially the previous days and your scumdar. I don't really fault Zindaras for what he said, since he's already made posts like this:

So, where is RafK?

Also, I just now noticed that Sacred was scum (on the front page). Has anyone looked back at Sacred to see if there are connections with other players?

I did, first thing today.

My gut's telling me that TSS, Setael and MoS are scum. The problem is that it's likely that we're also spending a lot of our time infighting and ignoring the lurkers, who do present, by the way, a danger.

So, in that way, TSS does have a point. Of course, he is blatantly trying to get someone else lynched.

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tss, you haven't made any other cases against me. You have repeatedly said I was scum. You have yet to make a case other than the one I already mentioned.

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About The Fonz:

Although that's a useless hunch, just from his posts I get the feeling he's

the only one I think would be in the cult.

About MoS:

Also someone I find to be suspicious, and I find

might be cult

or scum.

Umm, what?

Also, there isn't a rule against using a word and censoring it. I agree that it means the same thing, but the mod asked us not to use the words uncensored, so I'm just following the g*****n rules. And next time you accuse me of overreacting, why don't you actually figure out what it means for me to react. You have no basis of comparison to say that I'm acting any differently than I normally would.

<censored word by mod>

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WTF? I didn't even cuss, and the f***ing censoring in my last post was done by the mod and it says it in the f***ing post, so you can f***ing stfu and do some f***ing thinking instead of just overreacting to a little f***ing attitude. And that censoring was mine, and you f***ing deserved it.

Now let's get down to business. Are you attacking me and Kilroy because what we're doing is

scummy

, or because you're such a sissy that you can't stand a little attitude? You're acting like my behavior is in any way indicative of my alignment, which just proves that you don't know anything about me, OR Kilroy. Secondly, how can you possibly accuse anyone of "rushing" a lynch right now? Do you realize at all how long this day has been going on? The game completely stalled while we waited for replacements, and we have exhausted anything we have to say to each other. And you haven't given any new evidence to help those discussions. You talk about how you think my posts could mean I'm scum, but you provide no reasoning or examples to back this up. I can't defend myself against a claim that I'm scummy. Either you provide some evidence, or you can stuff it.

Also, to follow up my last point, have you actually played mafia before? Do you

honestly

believe that a person's attitude has anything to do with their alignment? Kilroy always acts like this, so just because you "don't see why acting like that is a 'good' thing" doesn't mean that he'd only do it as scum. Kilroy is not you. Kilroy is himself, and that's how he acts. So you can either adjust to him or continue being a biased, disciminatory a**hole. I suggest you do the former, because the latter is going to make you very wrong, very often.

Welcome to Mafiascum, b*tch.

Mod: Can you please post a list of what qualifies as a "swear word"? Clearly your definition differs highly from mine, since I was specifically avoiding swearing in that last post.

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I can attest to the above statement by The Fonz.

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He's seen the light.

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*bump*

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white is AWOL from the site and has been for at least a month, I think. Why is he still in this game? Why is YB not replaced yet?

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There's really no point in rehashing what's already been said, tss.

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Jester, Kilroy has revealed every investigation he's had a result for so far. How could he have a guilty and just be holding back the information?

Unvote, Vote: Jester

Also, Setael didn't claim bulletproof. Setael claimed Super Saint. Nice slip, scum.

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Actually, Kilroy, I'm not so certain that Jester-scum implies TSS-town, but I'll have to evaluate that after I see Jester's alignment.

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I interpreted Jester's post as him claiming to be Tutankhamun and bulletproof. Jester, please clarify - were you talking about my claim, or were you claiming?

mod: can we get a VC please?

Oh you're in this game? Lolz. I thought Jester had replaced you.

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bulletproof is a role that exists, but it's also one of the favorite scum fake claims, since the problem is that scum can't get rid of them without lynching them, so they can claim it and then defend themselves by saying that the people trying to lynch them are clearly scum who want to take this chance to get rid of him since they can't NK him.

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Unvote

I want to spectate more, I'm second-guessing myself about Jester.

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Setael's case on me is based off a bunch of factors for which he is assuming the value but hasn't actually considered his options clearly enough. That's all I have to say about that.

Still awaiting more posts from Jester.

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Hmm, that was actually a pretty solid PBPA, but it doesn't really explain his previous actions, so it could be a diversion from that. I'd like The Jester to explain why he *ever* thought of Kilroy as not being the cop, when Kilroy had claimed well before he entered the game?

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Are we still looking for a replacement for Van Damien? If so, I'll attempt to find one and send them to the mod.

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Vote: The Silent Speaker

I'm content with The Jester's explanation for now.

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Everything.

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I am protown, and I am not and have never been any of the following roles during the course of this game: cultist, cult leader, mafia, werewolf, serial killer, psychopath, survivor, lyncher, jester, or any other sort of role that is NOT 100% protown in its objectives.

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Can we get back to lynching TSS, though?

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I checked and Blight claimed that his predecessor never killed and he didn't get a chance to after Day 3, so TSS's claim checks out as far as that goes. The question is, two vigilantes? I'm thinking SK. Voting for The Fonz's revival seems like an incredibly bad justification to me. I want the rest of your choices and explanations for them.

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Also, on the offchance that we believe TSS, I think we should direct his vig choices by popular vote, gaining a second lynch each day.

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Supposing

arguendo

you're right and I am a serial killer, Setael and Nightson. We have a killing group at least as large (probably larger) and a cult potentially larger. A posited serial killer should be the least of your worries, unless you are cult yourself.

This seems to be a tacit admission of guilt. Not only that, but you're exaggerating the other threats of the town to reduce your own apparent threat. The cult leader is dead, how exactly do you believe that we have a "potentially larger" cult? The cult is the least of our worries, not you. You're scum, and getting rid of a night kill is just as good, if not better, than getting rid of mafia at this point. You want to kill power roles AND mafia, sure, but you still want to kill power roles, and that's not helpful to us. We'll lynch the scum without your help, thank you very much.

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MOS, you do know what

arguendo

means, right?

As for the cult, lynched day 4=potentially three recruits. The short night makes two more likely, but two is still more than one.

Yes, I understand that completely. But you're still trying to argue that we shouldn't lynch you if you were scum. I see no reason for a protown player to even consider that position, not to mention the fact that it's so

wrong

of a position that you're advocating.