Touhou: MitLoF ~ Makai Mix (Game Over)

[Curiosity]

The scum are still Jingle, npiau and beast. Not sure about the fourth right now, as both Alch and Saki got townier.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

We're pretty close to doing the mislynches I predicted so I felt like reminding the few people that aren't completely stupid who the actual scum are.

~Wis

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Kagami was scummy, so yeah

~Wis

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Also your yolo nature suggests you have zero desire to actually lynch scum. You agree this lynch is terrible yet you go with it.

~Wis

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The only thing is that Feirei's reactions *could* maybe come from scum if I stretch my head enough. But then I remember it's Feirei we're talking about so it makes more sense he's just town

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Nah, ISO'd him and I instantly regretted even saying the above. He's town.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

oh btw you hammered, MS.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Unofficial VC:

Jakuzure Nonon (10): haj, ActionDan, Saki, Mononoke, pieguyn, purple hero, Time, Jingle, Ankamius, Dreams
Jingle (2): Curiosity, nopointinactingup
pieguy (1): beeboy
ActionDan (1): Dreams of an Absolution
haj (1): Om of the Nom
Om of the Nom (1): Alchemist21
beeboy (1): pirate mollie

Not Voting: SXTLHGaiden, beastcharizard, Jakuzure Nonon

~Wis

[Curiosity]

and thats because Jingle lied about the votecount and didn't show purple hero's vote on Jakuzure.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

They're hammered already

~Wis

[Curiosity]

wanting to lynch some1 cos of a fakeclaim is not scum/bad play. fakeclaimers on fake guilties need to be lynched in every game. you don't even believe it is a genuine claim yourself.

I never argued he's scum because of that... You're arguing that his stance is somehow "weird" and stuff when it really isn't

~Wis

[Curiosity]

3572 is all i have to say.

why was notty nked? like no1 wants to discuss this for some weird fucked up reason.

it was already discussed. See 3537

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I don't think so, it's just an excuse to go with "I believe the guilty".. and it gives him more of an excuse to go "fuck this, let's PL haj" tomorrow

~Wis

[Curiosity]

why are you voting MS

~Wis

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I agree it was completely stupid if he has the role I think. But eh, I don't think he's scum.

~Wis

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I don't think they intentionally killed Jingle. That would be crazy. Prolly he was made to bodyguard the target

~Wis

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A theory I have is that Alchemist is UNZAN, he secretly hammered, then unvoted for cred. Thoughts?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

VOTE: alch

~Wis

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Hey MS, how come you stopped wanting AD lynched today?

~Wis

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no.
Who do you think is scum, beeboy? We haven't seen content from you for ages now.
Do you still think AD is town?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

time is scum

~Wis

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Seriously, if you expect me to believe that he doesn't know if they used an action like that...

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Why are you so afraid of being investigated, Wisdom?

lol

~Wis

[Curiosity]

time is scum

~Wis

I can't see scum killing off the PR that they could manipulate.

Jingle wasnt killed by scum. Scum are not stupid.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Mr Dan is giving me stronger town vibes atm

Why is that?

~Wis

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He is, that's not relevant

~Wis

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did you miss the fact I'm a mason and thus conftown? lel

~Wis

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Yeah, I dont think we did anything Day 2.

so why would you not use your action?

~Wis

pedit: You didn't know their abilities?

[Curiosity]

obviously. hes talking as if jingle's inno is what makes me town while its a fact im town for ages now

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Mr Dan is giving me stronger town vibes atm

Why is that?

~Wis

I like his posts to me

talk to me about these posts

~Wis

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Bodyguard

you

? Not anyone in general?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Huh.
So then, assuming Time is telling the truth, Jingle didn't die BGing someone.
In which case I fail to see why he died

~Wis

[Curiosity]

That's not how it goes. If he's fooling you, he needs to continue doing it before you get paranoid and change your mind.

~Wis

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Those newbie generalizations... "scum = aggressive"

~Wis

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I was originally starting to get pretty big townvibes from Alchemist for how he treated Jingle, but I looked back at the game I played with him that ended recently (scumgame) and found that he was quick to bus his partners, so now I'm a lot less certain that this is valid.

Umm. You do realize Jingle was town? What does bussing have to do with anything?

~Wis

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AD is a very likely lynch sooner or later, so be prepared for the worse :p

~Wis

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So previously you thought he only townreads his buddies..?

You're not making much sense.

~Wis

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@mollie time orders jingle to do one of his actions during the day, he gets the order at night, accepts or declines it.

@pie jingle town doesnt mean time town. Such a role could also be scum.
Also I dont really buy they shot.jingle over MS or us, but whatever.

~Wis

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Lastly, I don't mind an AD lynch today.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Yeah I get it

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I find it very hard to believe we'd kill Jingle at this time when we could've easily manipulated him in the coming days. Maybe later on for town credit or something. But why on earth would I kill my potential bodyguard night 2? I get told if he follows orders, so obviously if he stopped following orders I might shoot him, but as long as he does what I say and he had to, he's an untraceable scum PR. Besides, in what world of yours does the mod confirm scums flavor? Im like an Innocent Child right now.

but you didnt know its jingle that you're controlling

mod confirming flavor is absolutely null to me

~Wis

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mollie, he flipped fully

~Wis

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there is his role pm in a spoiler, read it

~Wis

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We're not lynching haj
As much as I like lynching Alchemist, the wagon being so popular now doesn't sit well with me

VOTE: npiau

~Wis

[Curiosity]

no
ive been after Alchemist for ages and nobody's listening, now suddenly everyone saw the light?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I especially hate the reasoning Ankamius used for the vote. It doesn't make any sense.

~Wis

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Sakura, please explain why you agree with an Alch lynch

~Wis

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dunno about the wagon, don't agree with you being scum

~Wis

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Something about his play here and the fact that we were scumbuddies before.

And why does this only come now, when there's heat on him?

~Wis

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Okay but if you were scumbuddies in the other game you should have noticed the similarities earlier (irrelevant that you couldnt talk about it)

~Wis

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not relevant, pie didnt vote you nor state such reasons

~Wis

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I read your detail too. Still felt nonsensical.

~Wis

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you have memory problems then. MS said he had a "pseudoguilty" on pie and pie was forced to claim.

~Wis

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unless you were talking about the last sentence which i didnt read before replying

~Wis

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VOTE: AD

Alright. Let's do this.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Unofficial VC

ActionDan (5): pieguyn, Curiosity, Om of the Nom, Dreams of an Absolution, Mononoke
haj (3): Saki, Time, Alchemist21
Alchemist21 (2): pirate mollie, Ankamius
Dreams of an Absolution (1): purple hero

Not Voting: SXTLHGaiden, beastcharizard, ActionDan, beeboy, nopointinactingup, haj

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Reasons please. Also, who is scum and why? Use your vote.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

All the more reason to lynch AD, more info on beeboy

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Changed my mind

VOTE: action dan

My gut will guide me to a brighter tomorrow

what brought this change?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

You voted him before that

~Wis

[Curiosity]

And that's enough to nullify the townread you've had on him all this time?

~Wis

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Ok, that's acceptable.

It's silly that you expect certain things from town and scum, as different people act differently, but I understand your thought process. You can be town.

~Wis

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I don't have certain expectations from certain alignments. Different people play differently.

~Wis

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Yep, prolly an error

~Wis

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I thought he's L-3 with your vote, no?

~Wis

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Yup, he is. Just 3 needed

Mollie, anti, onegai shimasu

~Wis

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So let him selfhammer lol who cares

~Wis

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you tell us

~Wis

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yay two people i cant read replaced two other people i couldnt read

~Wis

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thats L-2

~Wis

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We know his role, as well as the fact that he's not going to fight this wagon, so feel free whenever guys

~Wis

[Curiosity]

peregrineV

~Wis

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@Peregrine
He's neighbours with beeboy

Also

Not fighting this

~Wis

[Curiosity]

And I also want to know why Kagami got lynched on D1,

Because she was scummy

~Wis

[Curiosity]

There's no f16/penguin, Jingle died N2

We claimed yesterday

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Also Time is not IC

~Wis

[Curiosity]

It's more weird if you consider I was tunneling and pushing him as scum D2. According to pie, they thought he's investigative and that's why. Dunno about that myself

~Wis

[Curiosity]

yay two people i cant read replaced two other people i couldnt read

~Wis

I can read Titus pretty well. At least when we aren't playing F2F because we keep ending up rolling scum together or masons, lol, or I just roll mafia. -.-

Mastin, not so much.

Curiosity, just defer on Mala to me since we are not face to face. She's pretty good at reading me.

Speaking of which...back to meet.

Heh.

synopsis:
pie is masons with someone
mastin-slot faked a guilty and is somehow not dead.

This is everything i remember from the game.

I really wish you hadn't done this, but there's a good chance that you aren't scum at least with Mastin or BoP. If you were you wouldn't have said it like this in thread. It's pretty much confirmed that daychat is in the game because we have daychat sooooo. Very good assumption that scum have daytalk too.

Neighbors you have daytalk too, right?

Hey, so I realize that everyone thinks Unzan is a scum ability, but I have mod-confirmed information that it is a town ability.

Explain por favor?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!???????????

Speaking of which, while I can understand Time not being dead in spite of ICness, pie and Curiosity, I have to wonder why you aren't dead, either. This isn't me doubting your alignment; I fully believe you're town with that claim. But when did you claim it? Because if done before today, then that raises the question of why no nightkill. And honestly, I went into the game thinking, "So. We have this totally-awesome killer playerlist. Why aren't they getting killed off?"

Admittedly, F-16/penguin did die N2, but while F-16 in particular is a competent town analyzer, why him over much, much larger, bigger-name hydras?

Eh, F16/Peng aren't in this game. Also IDK why we aren't dead, maybe scum are scared of their nightkill being blocked or something.

(Okay, admittedly, we're wagoning ActionDan, butstill...if I were scum this game, players like the above--in addition to pie and Curiosity--would TERRIFY me a whole heck of a lot more than notscience or Jingle, on sheer policy alone. What kind of screwed-up circumstances would lead notscience and Jingle to be their preferred nightkill?)

I'm not really sure. I think I already posted whom I thought that was, but i forgot since I said that because it was awhile ago~

~M

[Curiosity]

Om no pls get back on

I'd say I don't like mastin but I never like mastin, so I'll let the AD flip tell me a story about mastin

~Wis

[Curiosity]

So unzan just voted Alchemist

Guess it's not alchemist

~Wis

[Curiosity]

For one, alchemist last time online was before om's vote.

And we'll, he wouldn't vote himself at this point either.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Oh, clarification; I meant guess unzan isn't alchemist, not guess alchemist isn't scum

~Wis

[Curiosity]

hi

mastin claimed unzan

That's what I thought too, and it explains (somewhat) the jakuzure hammer

~Wis

[Curiosity]

so what if its a hammer lol? those of you on the wagon were bad for even making a wagon

Why would a town secret double-voter hammer without telling anyone?

Why would a town claim a fake guilty?

~Wis

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Yep. And he hammered his "guilty" so makes sense

~Wis

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I agree with MS this time

~Wis

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Also Mara I didn't make that theory, but agree regardless

~Wis

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I'm at a place where I think both wagons are scum, so I don't mind the alchemist wagon much.

However, I feel the AD lynch is better right now, because it will also give us info about beeboy, which I understand is widely needed.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Umm Mara
I'm masons with pie, not ms

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Saying that because you included me in your remainder yet said masons aside

~Wis

Pedit: you did list me

[Curiosity]

However, I feel the AD lynch is better right now, because it will also give us info about beeboy, which I understand is widely needed.

Mara, disagree?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Can I get a list of current claims and who fakeclaimed and when?

I and pie are masons

AD and beeboy are neighbors, they were softing masons at first, it was AD's idea

haj(mastin slot) claimed a guilty on Jakuzure, which was fake as Jakuzure flipped town

Dreams claimed a pseudoguilty on pie and argued that he's either scum or a mason (this caused us to out that we're masons)

Time was controlling Jingle (sorta a Captain role) and made him investigate me N1, no action N2. They were submitting this during the day.

mastin claims that he knows the UNZAN hidden doublevote is town aligned

purple hero claims he knows what Dreams role is


Those are all the claims I believe

~Wis

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mollie

do you know that titus just replaced in?

Also Titus we had two "type" guilties this game.

Haj aka Mastin claimed a guilty on Jakz D2.
Ms/nati fished Pie as a "pseudo guilty" which then Wisdom claimed because the wagon was growing too fast.

[Curiosity]

Why the fuck can't we Lynch ActionDan...?
I want to lynch him.

I don't know about Mastin. She hasn't posted enough and Haj was really bad. Just bad. So I'm taking everything that Mastin is saying with a grain of salt

~M (also the last one was me too!)

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Well yes she's posted content but im not home I can't exactly read fully im just skimming. There was posts by her that felt bullshit, but I want to wait until im home before giving a definitive read.

I still don't get why we can't lynch ActionDan who is clearly fucking SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM

~ M

[Curiosity]

guys just relax and lynch AD

i promise it will be alright

~Wis

[Curiosity]

guys just relax and lynch AD

i promise it will be alright

~Wis

she is soft-claiming unzan and saying that she is defo town.

OFC she would say that regardless. A double voter doesn't always mean town especially when it's a hidden double vote so yes exactly what I said in my other post. Verything she says I'm taking wih a grai n of salt

[Curiosity]

Gawd damn IT I BEEN SO GOOD BEFORE IM DISTRACTWD.

That last post and this is mala

[Curiosity]

so what do you think her of nk analysis?

IDK I haven't seen it. I had an analysis before, but no one really commented on it. So I just dropped it.

I could see haj's flaking coming from a POV of expecting to get flashlynched. I've seen newbies do more blatant shit as scum (e.g. Ikaruga where Ki-Gi unceremoniously quickhammered and then admitted to being scum)

I don't particularly think "we can't lynch Dan bc mastin said so" is a good line of thought when mastin has a very good chance of being scum with him. in fact I think the game makes a lot of sense with Alch-town mastin/Dan-scum given the way the wagons are right now. mastin really needs to claim what's going on with UNZAN, then we go from there.

Yeah I do too. I'm pretty okay with lynching ActionDan.

Why isn't AD dead there is something wrong here

Why aren't you dead. I really hate how you were active during D1, calmed down D2 and are actually coasting right now in Day 3.

~M

[Curiosity]

Were lynching Dan, not beeboy. Just trust us and sheep us

~Wis

[Curiosity]

This wouldn't be the first time Dan's been in a neighborhood and basically called his partner a mason. It'd be at least his third. (Maniacal Street, House Party.)

And he would not do this as a scum neighbor because..?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Interest in lynching Dreams has skyrocketed.

I already regret posting 4324. Both you and Titus took my word without checking the circumstances on your own and think dreams is scum for this, while he was just dumb.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

That's because he's scum and his buddies are hesitant to bus

As for the beeboy switch, it was very natural. It was stupid in the first place to think AD is town for the reasons he did. He just realized that.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

This is not like kagami man. We have reasons we want AD lynched. You just have to trust us.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

beeboy has been consistently newbtown, nothing more nothing less

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Suit yourself, Om. I'm not going to defend you after pie wants you lynched right after AD

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Quite possible. But we lynch AD first.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

titus I won't allow this to go on. Did you go and check the fakeclaims on your own? Or are you just interpreting my description the way you see fit?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

mollie anti is town why are we discussing this

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I still need to do more but I have never seen a fake guilty that reached lynch not be auto lynch or the peiple on the wagon get suspected bc they were on the wagon.

It's not like we believed haj and lynched Jakuzure. We discussed that it was probably a fakeclaim because it was apparent from haj's posts and playstyle that he's probably faking it. We also discussed that people will then probably want to policy haj.
That's why you have to read what actually happened, because right now you just assume things.
And I don't like it.

~Wis

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mollie anti is town why are we discussing this

~Wis

wis if you fucking interfere with me so god help you I am going to hunt you down and remove body parts.

yeah except we dont need pointless town fights. anti is town, sakura is town, move on

~Wis

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thats silly sakura, you mean anti will always replace out when scum?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

yeh and he quite obviously backpedalled

~Wis

[Curiosity]

eh shes just being mollie

~Wis

[Curiosity]

speaking of scumtells mollie

and plz don't interfere with my scumhunting I hate it when you do that

^scum-mollie to me in Olympian Gods

~Wis

[Curiosity]

eeh ive seen her have unreasonable reads and do her own thing as town is what i meant

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Mason claim aside, Jingle inno'd me, so

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Nah. As town neighbor, you try to find the alignment of your neighbor(s). You don't consider them town.

Given, his meta showed that he does this, so I dropped the specific argument he's scum because of that, but it doesn't make him town.

As for the "might be masons" thing, it was already discussed and I don't agree.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Mastin is defending two scum so far. Maybe pie is right about her

~Wis

[Curiosity]

This frustration regarding the doublevote doesn't feel natural either. Why are we supposed to believe her anyway?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Bullshit, this is quite an oversimplified and forced thought process

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Noope, but thanks for making me confident we've caught three scum

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Still doesn't make him town, still your refusal to consider that isn't natural

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Nope. Scum can easily fake the same. Especially AD, who has done it as town before and thus is guaranteed to try and replicate his town-neighbor behavior as a scum-neighbor.

The fact you recognize it as a behavior you've had as town is not enough to warrant a blind townread. You are good enough to consider all of the above, and even if you didn't agree that it makes him scum, you would at least agree that it's null and you'd look at other aspects of his play. You don't, you jump at the chance to townread him.

This happens because you both are scum and you are good at protecting your scumbuddies. Except I won't let it happen.

~Wis

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yeah okay just wait for AD and Om to flip and you'll see if I'm touching her or not

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Granted, I find that the proper town-neighbor behavior is questioning your partner's alignment and trying to figure it out at all times. When you feel they are town, then you can be masons or whatever. Claiming it from the beginning just seems stupid to me.

With that thought in mind, I feel that this is what a scum-neighbour would try to replicate and this is what probably I'd try to do as a scum neighbor myself.

However, given we know AD follows the other approach as a town-neighbor, namely the "let's be masons" one, I fail to understand the "scum-AD would follow a different path" argument. A scum-neighbor will act just as he would act as a town-neighbor.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

We're flipping AD today.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

im not thinking hard at all

AD is scum

Om is scum

Mastin protecting them is prolly scum

Simple thoughts

~Wis

[Curiosity]

eh lets leave the connections aside for now and lynch AD

~Wis

[Curiosity]

i just dont want mastin to sway people from doing that because shes totally capable of doing that as scum

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I can buy being wrong about you and mastin, and I won't insist that much about it.

But AD is scum.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

And because I've had just about enough of this

I and pie have information that AD is 99% scum.

No, I won't talk about what it is. But you can fucking trust us. There's a reason we insist on lynching him today.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

nice excuse

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Well it should be understandable. You are flip-flopping on someone who is confscum to me, and that happens when mastin replaces in (and therefore there is hope of resisting the lynch).

~Wis

[Curiosity]

hahahah look at when AD chooses to appear

~Wis

[Curiosity]

sorry bro but I'm not haj. I'm not faking anything.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

and then beeboy came along and jumped on it so badly

except it wasnt bad at all
beeboy jumping on it was very natural and not something newbscum is likely to do

~Wis

blah

[Curiosity]

tell me why i should consider beeboy scum when AD is confscum? Unless you think both are scum and the neighbor thing was completely fake?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

because I say so and im conftown? Unless you think that I'm such an hypocrite that after criticizing haj I do the same shit as him

~Wis

[Curiosity]

beeboy please think before you post

~Wis

[Curiosity]

ankamius mollie stop ignoring what i said and vote AD. I didn't out that for nothing

~Wis

[Curiosity]

beeboy you're not making sense man. We are masons and we haven't died either. Nobody compulses scum to kill masons.

Anyway AD is scum, so don't worry about it anymore.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Me and pie

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Because Time made Jingle Cop me N1 and he inno'd me

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Investigate Curiosity, Night 1.

Thinking about it overnight wis is my strongest townread.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

And because I've had just about enough of this

I and pie have information that AD is 99% scum.

No, I won't talk about what it is. But you can fucking trust us. There's a reason we insist on lynching him today.

~Wis

Requoting for whoever missed it

Any other excuses to avoid voting AD?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

making AD and beeboy scum.

Just AD. beeboy is town. The neighborhood is legit.

Nothing else you said made any sense

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I also do not think the mod would force an investigative forcer to do that during the day....


~T

That's how the captain works by default, check the wiki

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Time is the captain
No, it's not done publically. It was not done publically here.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Masons and neighbors is not unlikely at all as it happens all the time. Next argument

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Also, again, I'm conftown and so is pie by extension, so nobody is ever painting us as scum.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Because they didn't know who is what? The claim happened today

~Wis

[Curiosity]

you are not conftown.

A cop crumbed an inno on me
I and another player have claimed masons with each other
I'm fucking obvtown inthread

Things are way past the point where occams razor makes me conftown. Stop looking for excuses.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Well too bad because it was

I don't care about working with unreasonable people. Right now it only looks like you are looking for excuses to save your buddy. If you want respect, go read the thread and stop saying things that make zero sense.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

The hypothetical capitan claimer could try to draw a CC even in your scenario.

Like wtf are you even saying here? CC who?
You're making zero sense and you're trying to gamesolve without even reading and comprehending what has happened. And then you want respect.

~Wis

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Ok Titus, I apologize for my rudeness.

Let's try this again.

Time claims Captainwhen the real captain submitted a bg target that night.

Okay, this is somewhat more logical, I'll give you that. However, it makes much more sense that Time is telling the truth, for two reasons:

a) The claimed investigation on me completely matches Jingle's crumb in the beginning of D2. Yes Titus, it's a crumb. Jingle had no reason to state such a thing. Absolutely no reason. And it also explains why scum killed him - they thought he is an investigative PR.

b) Time's flavor was confirmed by the mod in the beginning of the game. He is Shinki. Jingle's flavor was Yumeko. According to our flavor experts, it makes complete sense in the flavor for Shinki and Yumeko to have such a connection, as Yumeko is a subordinate to Shinki.

So, your scenario doesn't seem likely.

~Wis

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I highly doubt you think all the scum are voting Mastina.

The people voting Mastin right now are:

Saki, Alchemist, you, and Gaiden.

With the exception of you, the other three have not posted since I outted that AD is confscum.

So no, I don't think that.

But reading it and still finding excuses not to vote AD is scummy for me, yes.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

The only way someone can read it and refuse to vote AD is if they think I'm pulling a haj, namely I'm fakeclaiming about having information just because I want AD lynched.

But I assure you I'm no hypocrite. haj was terrible for doing that, and I will never do something I find terrible.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Heh.

Alchemist actually has been online since my post about AD. And chose not to comment.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

This game also had both neighbors and masons

~Wis

[Curiosity]

This game also had both neighbors and masons

~Wis

you are giving an example that is diametrically opposed to your supposed guilty investigation.

and i wonder why I have zero desire to sheep the alleged investigation.

wtf are you even talking about

What does the game have to do with my guilty

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I'm not voting AD right now because of Haj's shit, and Mastin's posts since replacing in don't make me feel much better about that slot. I'll lynch AD if necessary, but I'm with Gaiden on that the slot needs to be lynched.

oi. we

know

AD is scum. You have zero excuse to continue trying to lynch someone else.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

yep

like when MS claimed guilty on pie I assumed that there was a redirector or something, not that MS was faking it

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Unofficial VC:

ActionDan (7): Curiosity, Mononoke, beeboy, pieguyn, purple hero, Time, Alchemist21
Alchemist21 (3): Ankamius, UNZAN, mastin2
mastin2 (3): Saki, Birds of Prey, SXTLHGaiden
Dreams of an Absolution (1): Om of the Nom
Om of the Nom (2): Dreams of an Absolution

Not Voting: beastcharizard, ActionDan, pirate mollie

~Wis

[Curiosity]

mollie, we've already said enough. I wanted this lynch to happen without having to out anything. The only reason I did was because mastin is fucking capable of breaking this wagon down and I am not about to allow that to happen. You're not getting anything more. AD is scum. That's all you need to know.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Unless he's trying to strongarm this lynch which he was ambivalent on earlier today.

You're out of luck buddy. Again, I'm not haj.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Haven't had a chance to read or catch up with Titus, so right now I agree with her.

~P

What do you agree about? Talk to me.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

d3 or d20, if I can keep information from scum I'll do it

~Wis

[Curiosity]

not to mention Dan's reaction to it was fucking ass. he naturally jumped to the conclusion that the result was "bullshit" without considering any other possibilities at all. if a claimed mason gets a result on you, and said mason is not haj-tier at this game, the logical conclusion is not to assume they're faking a result, it's to assume there might be some weird bullshit going on. the approach he took, on the other hand, looks like scum who just want to make the person with the guilty look worse than them.

I thought you both had a guilty or something?

no. NO.

full out or I am not getting on board.

UNVOTE: a million times over if I was voting for danny I want to sort this cos cos I am getting sick of this shit

Christ, are you scum? Because you are acting like scum.

Vote Dan.
That's about it.

I'm waiting at an airport and I don't wanna leave

~M

[Curiosity]

She/you should prob vote dan for your fyi.

~M

[Curiosity]

;-;

Mollie. It's prob better we keep it hidden. I'm sure as hell that Dan is scum. Titus is town, you are town. So if you both could be grand and work with Pie and I that'd be greatttttt.

~M

[Curiosity]

Mollie can you and I like real talk for a second. like put our past away for a second and just talk.

Larges are hard, yes because people decide to claim fake guilties or rolefish when it's unwarranted.

I don't like Haj, which is now Mastin. However they are not my main concern, but they will get what they deserve later on, however, not right now.

Beeboy to me is not exactly town, but if AD does flip scum like I believe he will do; then beeboy is likely to be town via association due to the whole neighbor thing.

I didn't ask you to claim. I didn't ask you to interpret our play. I'm just asking you to trust the damn confirmed masons right now. Trust me, I'm fucking sorry for all the bullshit we went through, but I'm town, I'm a mason and AD is scum that is all.

If you don't want to do the above then let's have an adult conversation about players. Right now I'm close to boarding a plane ~10+15 mins out and then once that lands, I'll have the other huge 8 hour flight and you'll have all the time in the world to talk to me unless I fall asleep.(<---might happen I'm really tired, lol)

~M

[Curiosity]

And just wtf is your point mollie? We are conftown and we'll change our reads as much as we want.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Titus thanks for proving to me it was wrong to try and talk with you, I'll just ignore you from now on

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I explained to you why your time theory is wrong and you're not even commenting on it. So much communicating

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Haj's play didn't suggest mastin-scum at all btw, but I'm sure you've still haven't looked at it and are still blindly saying he's scum because he fakeclaimed

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I fail to understand what the linked game has to do with my guilty

~Wis

[Curiosity]

All of us are not town, because AD is scum. The rest, yes.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

mollie you dont fucking make any sense. What does Time have to do with any of this?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

What are your coherent reasons? "haj fakeclaimed a guilty"? Too bad, it made perfect sense for haj-town to do that so your "coherent reasons" are shit

~Wis

[Curiosity]

yeah because im totally the player to make up investigative results

what else will you think of to save AD

~Wis

[Curiosity]

What did he expect a scumclaim? AD is going to claim bullshit.

pie explained that well enough. The town reaction would be "there must be something weird going on because I'm not scum". Like the one I had when MS claimed pseudoguilty on pie. Not "omg bullshit you're making it up".

~Wis

[Curiosity]

we'll get a scumlynch anyway because no matter how stupid you and titus are we are lynching AD.

you will not get anything more from us no matter how much you insist.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

The fact dan attacked supposed conftown is actually evidence making him more likely to be town.

he didnt really attack me, as he didnt call me scum, he just said he's blacklisting me
so sorry, but nope

~Wis

[Curiosity]

all you are doing is fucking up the game for the people most likely to live.

and just because i find this really unfair:

for me you and titus are fucking up the game. We have a fucking confscum yet you refuse to trust fucking conftown and are searching for all kinds of outwordly possibilities that we could be wrong. And this is sure to give scum ammo to resist the lynch even more.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

i dont want your vote so i dont care. dreams and someone else will give us the scumlynch

~Wis

[Curiosity]

because he is

~Wis

[Curiosity]

@Om
When there are valid points to disagree with me, I'll accept it. At the moment, there are none, so yeah. We are conftown, we've given you a confscum, and we're facing doubt. That doesn't make any sort of sense.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Yeah except I am not haj or MS. I am a notorious tunneler, but I've never made up a fucking guilty to get my way. I'm not about to start such shit now.

~Wis

pedit: I never claimed I'm confright, Titus. I have fucking info that he's scum, I'm not telling you to trust my

[Curiosity]

gut*

[Curiosity]

yeah, zero way. Try "I am not telling scum how I caught one of them".

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Titus you have to understand there are stupid townies who fakeclaim too. Hell, you're accusing me of doing it right now. haj fits that perfectly.

If mastin is actually scum, he's scum for trying to save AD, not for the fakeclaim.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

!!!!

We aren't fake claiming. I promise you this.

Please, please, please Titus. I'm town. Trust me when I say pie is my mason partner, Dan is scum and Beeboy is prob town.

~M

[Curiosity]

Then why can't you claim Mala?

Me sorry

Uh. Well right now I have about 10 mins to catch my connecting flight and the gates are literally at opp aides of the airport but let me get that settled and talk to wisdom. I really doubt I'll be awake for this plane ride. So you'll see me in like 8 hours.

~M

[Curiosity]

You don't need to know how we know AD is scum. Because scum don't need to know. Please, it's not so hard to comprehend this.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

You want me to swallow three fakeclaiming townies in a single game? Really?

No, just one. Haj.


~Wis

[Curiosity]

Ankamius why are you not picking a side re: AD?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Yeah so Ankamius is claiming scum since he's ignoring there's a guilty on AD

Why are people unvoting AD?

Why the fuck is he still alive?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

That said,

UNVOTE:

till I read the last pages again, because i saw something i didnt like

~Wis

[Curiosity]

VOTE: Alch

So how did you go from AD IS OBVSCUM!!! on top of a guilty to let's lynch Alch instead?
Why isn't AD dead yet? pie's town, so ergo they are telling the truth, and ergo their guilty is true as well, i'm pretty sure wisdom wouldn't pull some BS, he's not best town performance for no reason.

The best town performance wouldn't eliminate a tool from the toolchest. I highly doubt Wisdom won best town for his performance but for his popularity.

wtf did i just read

~Wis