InuYasha Mafia (Game Over)

[Kagami]

Cool. Why did you lie about your role, Kagami?

VOTE: Kagami

I haven't lied about anything, what are you talking about?

[Kagami]

I'm MDT, it was a hydra with kaze, but he had to take a leave of absence from the site.

... but I like you. :/ I'll choose to ignore this for now.

Neil, can you confirm that your role PM tells you directly that PA is Ginka, and that Ceph isn't just screwing with you.

I.e. It doesn't just say "You are neighbors with PA and mala-slot," and you've inferred that you must be wolves.

[Kagami]

inb4 neither PA or neil ever reads any of the requests about this and we end the day not knowing

This seems amazingly possible.

[Kagami]

You're being very selective about your VCA if you're town.

You want to clear players by showing that scum is voting for them, but ignore that scum were pushing Y&B.

You call everyone who was voting shos scum, but completely ignore VC 1.34, because it doesn't fit your narrative.

And most of all, you really don't want to talk about lemniscate, whom you hard defended for day 1 until your "O, I guess we have to lynch my mega-townread. Darn these deadlines" vote.

You also want to use two blocks to somehow prove you're an ascetic, which makes no sense, but are happy to ignore that the only block on night 1 was Y&B.


Basically, your iso contains only one motivation: You really, really, really want to lynch Y&B. You want to lynch BB too, because he has to be scum for this to work. You want to lynch me, because I have sense enough to realize how ridiculous this is.

I do have good news, though, if you flip SK, which I'm thinking looks pretty likely, I'll actually believe you on Y&B.

[Kagami]

Here's my theory on what went down with BoP SK.

BoP comes up with the idea to claim ascetic around post 1700. Starts crumbing how pretty they are because titus thought ascetic and aesthetic are the same thing. Crumbing ascetic makes absolutely no sense, but that's not the point. They

want

to draw a PR.

They self-commute night 1 or something like that. Probably one-shot, and it prevents them from sending a puppet out.

Day 2 they come right out with "We're so pretty, I sure hope no one targeted us!" and go on about being pretty. Hilariously, no one did. So then they just claim ascetic and point to all their awesome crumbs. Now they never have to worry about an investigator again, nor do they really have to worry about playing the game once they dodge the day 2 lynch. Their day 2 wagon is countered by three likely wagons on confirmed/likely town.

They peck at Y&B every day at prod-dodge intervals and stop reading the game. As long as they're useless enough, they don't have to worry about being crosskilled, and as long as they're "ascetic" they get no investigators.

[Kagami]

I think groupscum is less likely, though Lemni and Aronis's behavior does kind of suggest a scumteam that is completely disconnected from actually playing. But as far as I can tell, there's no good explanation for missing kills, and I'd be very skeptical of any doctor claims.

[Kagami]

Of course the beauty parlor worker and my role are different things. It was an auditory crumb to stop YnB from sending me her fake confirmation. We have been over that.

Really, you crumbed it to stop YnB from sending you a fake confirmation before they claimed FN?

[Kagami]

Where is your first "early" crumb?

[Kagami]

I'm seeing 1797 as your first crumb, and the FN claim comes right after it, at 1834

[Kagami]

...
Moogle, their meta actually has them more useful as town.
...

Wait, I got that one of them is Cho; we've figured out the other?

I still want BoP to answer this.

Wait, you never answered this. How do you know who Y&B are?

[Kagami]

You can answer how. How do you know who they are?

[Kagami]

I think Y and B picked me and was prevented. Give them a shot to pick someone else for tomorrow.

Out for the rest of the day.

- Titus

Good neon sign. You were clearly very convinced that they would pick up on it.

[Kagami]

Anyone can read your hydras posts. Comment beyond thatcis prohibited. I have not deduced the heads of the hydra for certain but Cho is very useful as town. The most recent New York mini normal has that.

That being said, I still think Y and B is scum but her scumbuddies must vouch for them if that is the case, so we get more by not dragging this wagon through unless this is an insanely bastard game.

If you are town y and b, do not visit me. I am too pretty. Use a thesaurus out loud.

VOTE: Unvote[/unvote]

- VFT -

Actually, this is crystal clear. Why would you make post 3015?

[Kagami]

None of this was a problem until AFTER I voted you. Your whole case is rehashong and OMGUS.

This is a blatant discredit, and completely ridiculous coming from someone who refuses to read a votecount, or apparently anything in the game, beyond VC 1.32

It's a shame we didn't have your VCA-savant skills when they would have been useful day 2 and 3. I guess you were busy?

[Kagami]

I would murder titus for being titus if I thought there was a point in doing so

I don't really think she's scum though

I wouldn't object to her being vig killed just because I realise she's a distraction but I'm meh on the lynching thing

Do you think titus thinks this is what my scum-game looks like, muffin?

[Kagami]

Wasn't xof lynched for the whole 'there can only be one town JOAT' argument though?

No. That's not at all why I wanted her head in a noose.

[Kagami]

There's actually some truth in what Titus is saying, but the problem is that I'm 96% sure she's scum.

It's like varsoon's from Touhou UPick 2. I knew he knew I was town because of an earlier interaction that only the two of us understood. When he started "suspecting" me the last day, it made him obvscum (though I thought he was the SK, because I thought FG wouldn't make a groupscum GF with a cop who announces her target publicly).

Titus should know that I'm town, but instead she came up with the silliest reason imaginable to vote me, then started justifying it with some VCA PoE that ignores my scum pushes.

I still think Titus is scum, but if she's SK, then she might be right on molla (and it would explain why she seems so certain that Y&B is scum despite evidently having no idea what's gone on in most of the game. I think that's unlikely though. Scum don't CC town on day 1.

[Kagami]

Wasn't xof lynched for the whole 'there can only be one town JOAT' argument though?

No. That's not at all why I wanted her head in a noose.

Well why did you? Your ISO is a little murky on that point.

Are you kidding me?

[Kagami]

Remember, I'm MDT too.

[Kagami]

maybe she tried.

[Kagami]

Well, killing Y&B would make a lot more sense if she were right.

[Kagami]

...
Read. I am desperately scum eith YnB and BB and I cannot refute this so I will call Titus the SK.

No, your push on me is terrible, and I've been calling you poss-SK for a while. I would love it if I'm right, because then lynching you basically wins the game.

Do you even remember your original justification for voting me?

[Kagami]

Then they would have picked me. Aren't I scum with them?

p-edit: I would 100% want BB lynched next. The best explanation for your behavior is some kind of investigation.

[Kagami]

Kagami you haven't been widely discussed much less widely townread. Even then, scum have two people who fit the bill. One has claimed superpowered joat and is not dead.

Again, you appear to be reading a different game.

[Kagami]

Sounds like you're flipping SK.

[Kagami]

Has anyone talked about Neil / noddy / oversoul / beast lately?

Neil is meh. I don't have any real opinion on either neil or PA until the other comes in and does something. A summary of the neighborhood content would be nice, and whether neil seemed to be pushing the flavor-confirmed-town angle with an agenda.

Noddy is ignoring the game, which is usually scummy for him, but I must of his reactions to events have been town-ns.

Oversoul is still scum. Kat opened saying his role is negative utility, which sounds like he thought/knew undead was a miller, but otherwise didn't choose to comment on the undead stuff when that came around. I kind of think katsuki is one of the people who would potentially drive wake to bail on the game, and I still think 4313 is a scum-slip. I think BoP commuted night 1 and couldn't kill, then poisoned night 2.

Beast, idk. His role is slightly redundant with mine, and basically is another anti-poison thing. Poison seems like a completely terrible way to kill in this setup. Outside of role, I don't really have an opinion on beast.

6986 was aimed at you, muffin. I think titus was spamming it out.

[Kagami]

6968

[Kagami]

Bestest character!

kagura is bestest, followed by miroku~

[Kagami]

Spoiler: Wall of BoP's Lemniscate Progression

Self-meta sucks shit. It's not a bus if you plan on getting off precisely when Y and B is the top wagon. Also, I don't know which head says they don't bus but things can go wonky in hydras. I don't intend to vote Lemniscate for a flim flap case over an opportunist who flatly refuses to provide content.

- VFT -

For Geists and BBMolla

Yes your case is flim flam geists.

I have no content scum who refuses to provide it and hops onto every major wagon. I have people like you/TSO saying they are scum, but still wanting a counterwagon anyway. They provide useless filler, which some people are townreading them for despite this wagon being fought for tooth and nail. Shos and xoe's wagons, overnight. Add in AP's sudden scumread on me after the Y and B wagon takes off...

How many people bailed on shos and xoelf because the wagon gained to much steam or they had other scumreads? Zero. You know why? Because they are town.

I wouldn't be surprised if we are looking at one team given the wagon behavior.

Compare that to

Asking Abomination to confirm whether they're a miller or not. That's literally the entire case on Leminscate. Yet, Geists sells that up as the best thing since sliced bread. Why wouldn't geists push it sooner if they believed the case was that good? Why wait until Y and B was the top wagon?

- VFT -

vote:Lemniscate

So Neil you think I should be lynched why?

Im good with all of shos lemi and xof.

Nero, you're just the least townie of the major wagons. I don't think you're scum but I don't have a solid gut feeling about you being town either. #2124 and #1638 are unsettling. As is your willingness to vote any major wagon.

I'd rather lynch AP or my scumreads over you. I'm a little paranoid over AP as a lynch will happen. AP's usually not paranoid over wagons being cut shorter, so I'm thinking all the wagons are town and AP doesn't want any other wagon to develop.

- VFT -

God damn it!!!

I'll review Street Racers but I really don't recall much in the way of wagon culling that game.

I actually care about not lynching town.

- Titus

God both wagons suck... I'll look at this tomorrow.

- Titus

Or how about this...

why don't you vote Lemniscate so Leminscate can be hammered for the same damn thing he's always hammered for... nothing...

Or you could have a backbone and actually vote scum

- VFT

I'm going to be so upset when lemni townflails and noone gives a shit

Now did you even READ my posts?

All the top wagons suck shit has been my mantra.

Quickwagon Mist or AngryIecrint

VOTE: Mist

I doubt Lemniscate was actually speaking to their mason partners.

Molla claumed scum. It looks like Lemi or no one.

VOTE: Lemiscate

Your vote is by far the worst one on that wagon and you know it.

[Kagami]

There's a big difference between thinking a scumread should be a nullread and desperately trying to divert a scum-lynch (include a call to flashwagon two town as an alternative) only to ultimately vote them anyway.

[Kagami]

-________-

While this game seems destined to beat FE:A in length, that isn't a good thing.

[Kagami]

btw I'm scumreading muffin

do you ever town read me?

o, yeah, forgot about the flavor thing.

Never would have guessed kirara, but it makes some sense since there's an episode where shippo is talking about all the mean things inuyasha did to kirara, and one of the flashbacks is him practicing how to use the wind scar on her.

[Kagami]

Actually, can we talk about the shards for a bit?

Earlier someone had said that they were for powering up roles like BB's, which doesn't make any sense given that his is the only role that seems to get anything from them. Prohawk had said that it's about completing the jewel, though.

ns, what do we actually know about them? Does it make that scum could start with them?

[Kagami]

<- 'Murica

[Kagami]

Page 6 absolutely matters at page 300. That's not the issue with it.

[Kagami]

Ok, so all that matters is ALL of the shards?

[Kagami]

What the hell is with this speed.

Also has anyone actually given reason for molla town?

Tbh, half the reason I don't want to lynch molla is that BoP wants to lynch him.

[Kagami]

But BoP is prolly town :/

why?

[Kagami]

mastin looks like she was hinting that each shard mattered in 621

[Kagami]

If you'd scumhunt, I wouldn't. Rolefishing =/= scumhunting, unless there's clear alignment implied. All that question does is help the scum know if they need to nightkill him if they cannot lynch him if he's town. If he's town, stopping scum from having all the shards should be powerful enough for our knowledge.

If he's scum, faking knowledge will be hard enough. Soon he'll guess someone who still has a shard that shouldn't.

What prompted you to talk about acquiring all the shards?

[Kagami]

Look at the effort and what they're trying to do. It's not even about self preservation. She's trying to solve the game and clear people. This looks like town effort, not scum survival.

It's SK survival.

[Kagami]

No there wasn't.

[Kagami]

The story I had heard until very recently was that each shard was valuable to scum.

[Kagami]

Where was it, where was all this "get all the shards" speculation?

And if anyone gets something from getting all the shards, it would assuredly be naraku.

[Kagami]

Of course, you would know that Kagami if you were town and had a shard.

I don't have a shard. It would be broken if I did.

[Kagami]

You're claiming your an ascetic with a shard? No.

[Kagami]

Now why would it be broken if a vanillaizing puppet had a shard?

ProHawk has implied that. If you look through my iso. My thought is scum cannot get all of them.

btw, Kagami doesn't hammer me. Check Kagami tonight Goat. If she comes back positive, lynch her.

You still don't know my role? Boy, you're certainly going to a lot of effort to investigate my alignment.

[Kagami]

Why is that a no, Kagami?

Because Prohawk and the goat are almost certainly town. A town shardholder ascetic would make no sense, as the ascetic aspect would primarily serve to thwart town power.

[Kagami]

If you're a supersaint I'm not okay with it

If shards pass via lynch hammer, then that presumably would be why NS would want to hammer. Guessing logically, that scum/vig kills can also steal shards. Otherwise, I cannot see two hammers and your role would be nonsensical. Having a townie pick who they want to hammer is logical.

In fact, we all probably should do that. Scum cannot pick a fellow scum or the possibility to chain lynch runs high.

Due to my claim, I probably shouldn't hammer anyone.

I also don't think this is terribly consistent with having a shard, though I can see an argument for intentional obfuscation.

[Kagami]

Let's play which of these things are not like the other!

Koga: Has at least one shard most of his appearance in the story.
Hosenki: Was corrupted by a shard given to him by naraku for pretty much all of his appearance in the story.
Kohaku: Kept alive by a shard of the jewel for almost his entire appearance in the story.
Hakudoshi: Never ever has a shard at any point. Ever.

[Kagami]

Yes, surely there is no correlation between flavor and roles such as shardbearer.

[Kagami]

Let's all not forget that BoP is claiming to be Hakudoshi, the Town Demon Ascetic Shardbearer.

Hakudoshi does not have a shard.

[Kagami]

Actually, let's just make some lists!

Category 1: Have shards in this game and in the anime

Koga
Hosenki
Kohaku

Category 2: No shards in this game and no shards in the anime

Rin
Inuyasha
Urasue
Sango
Ryukotsusei
Princess Abi
Ryujin
Sota Higurashi
Hakkaku
Jijenji
Ginka
Miroku
Shippo
Kirara
Tsubaki

Category 3: No shards in this game, but shards in the anime

Renkotsu
Suikotsu
Jakotsu
Bankotsu
Kagome

Category 4: Shards in this game, but no shards in the anime

Hakudoshi, so very alone. Couldn't possibly be lying about having a shard, now could he?


Note that category 3 is just kagome and the Bo7. This game is very flavor consistent.

[Kagami]

Neil has a shard if he's koga, muffin. Mastin pretty much said so, and I think it also makes him town.

BoP has claimed hakudoshi.

[Kagami]

Then BoP would have to be groupscum, which is possible, but them being the SK seems more appropriate to their behavior.

[Kagami]

I'm not scum, jiffy isn't scum because of shos's investigation, and ns isn't scum because of shard.

[Kagami]

I think he has to know how many there are, my renege text says he's informed if I use it.

p-edit: Sk might, but groupscum prob don't.

[Kagami]

If groupscum started with shards, it would be stupidly hard for the SK to collect them. Also, none of them have flipped shardbearers. SK would have to be a shardthief in addition to ninja and whatever else.

[Kagami]

Meh, you could be right. idk.

[Kagami]

Anyway, the only way BoP has a shard is if he killed to get it.

It's not like he claimed the shard spontaneously, he claimed it under duress because he had knowledge slipped on having one.

[Kagami]

They didn't plan to claim shardholder.

The context of the claim begins at 7592

[Kagami]

Kagami, if I was scum and knew I might have come into possession of a shard (bc let's face it scum ascetic would be sent for kills), I would research or ask the mod for a new fakeclaim. The fact Egg tracked Aronis when he claimed not to move should be sufficient to prove my point but you are scum anyway probably.

Zmuffin, yeah you were scum that game. You of all people should see the parallels and vote for someone who actually could be scum.

None of this makes any sense.

[Kagami]

Kagami, if I was scum and knew I might have come into possession of a shard (bc let's face it scum ascetic would be sent for kills), I would research or ask the mod for a new fakeclaim. The fact Egg tracked Aronis when he claimed not to move should be sufficient to prove my point but you are scum anyway probably.

Zmuffin, yeah you were scum that game. You of all people should see the parallels and vote for someone who actually could be scum.

Ok, I see what you're trying to say. Problem is that you're not an ascetic. I think you commuted or something night 1 and made a big show of not being targetable, while hoping that someone had targeted you.

[Kagami]

Who would target the claimed ascetic?

[Kagami]

And no, BB would not have targeted a claimed ascetic, then claim to have targeted someone else but was blocked.

[Kagami]

Did we commute or kill?

If you're just going to make stuff up, then your not really trying to figure us out, your trying to figure out how to kill us without taking any responsibility for it.

~P

Also, No flavor for Shikon Jewel. How did you know the name?

I think you commuted and did not kill night 1. I think you poisoned someone night 2. I think OS then openly wondered why the SK's kills had failed in 4313.

and you have to be kidding me. Of course I know the name of the jewel. I also know the name of the main character, it's Inuyasha.

[Kagami]

He also got dragonscale tessaiga from ryujin, which is a much more clear connection. He'd have to be ninja flavor cop ascetic to be the SK, which makes no sense.

[Kagami]

And several of the flavors in the game are probably here specifically for his role (like ryujin, hosenki, and ryokotsusei)

[Kagami]

Don't the shards transfer via kill?

[Kagami]

He also got dragonscale tessaiga from ryujin, which is a much more clear connection. He'd have to be ninja flavor cop ascetic to be the SK, which makes no sense.

Your contending we are scum ninja commuter shardholder instead?

That makes less sense.

~P

Makes plenty of sense? especially if the commuting prevents you from using puppets or is limited shot or such.

[Kagami]

Shards transfer via kill.

so you're killproof and ascetic?

[Kagami]

well, that's stupid. I imagine the scum are expected to mostly get them through kill anyway.

[Kagami]

You know that's what I meant when I put ninja.

[Kagami]

I imagine the mod gave scum an even night jewel cop / 1-shot jewel thief, and they otherwise have to kill for it, yes.

[Kagami]

You know that's what I meant when I put ninja.

No, ninja would mean not able to been seen or tracked, not make other people be seen or tracked becasue you made them do the kill.

If Puppetmaster makes you kill (cause you a puppet, right?), does he have to target you?

~P

I don't know and ceph wouldn't answer that question.

[Kagami]

No, I don't know if I'm used for a kill on a given night, and I don't know if he has to target me to use me.

[Kagami]

What questions did you ask ceph about your role?

[Kagami]

What questions did you ask ceph about your role?

Details about the ascetic and how if might interact with being poisoned.

~P

What details? Ascetic isn't exactly a complicated role.

[Kagami]

So ceph answered all of your one questions?

[Kagami]

Because I know Titus doesn't think I'm scum and never did.

[Kagami]

Varsoon pulled the same thing in touhou UPick; I didn't nail him on it, and we lost (we would have lost anyway, because the setup was ridic, but scum got a perfect win)

[Kagami]

P talk to me on google chat.


@Jagami, I paraphrased a conversation a little looser than my other paraphrases. As you said, it usualky is a simple role.

Why are you obsessed with us solely after we voted you?

Seems like a pretty simple role in this case too. So when ceph answered "all of your questions," it was one question and maybe clarification? So why did you try to color it as such a damning thing in 7813?

[Kagami]

(btw, it's not at all surprising that he didn't answer it)

[Kagami]

That is a complete non-sequitur.

[Kagami]

That is a complete non-sequitur.

The more complex the role, the more questions to the mod.

When I was SK in Timeshift, lots of back and forth about mechanics, my kill, etc.

As a VT, I might have asked one quesiton ever in all my VT games.

As aestic, we ask does poison count as a killing role.

As town self-vanillaizing manipulated puppet who could be made to kill town, you would think you'd have more questions about the role, to better understand it, and better understand how you can use it to thwart scum.

For example, why have you not self-vanillaized yet to make sure you don't kill anyone?

~P

You just said the role was simple in 7827. You just said that your only questions were about poison (which is a legit question, but one freaking question).

You said in 7813 that ceph answered "all your questions about your role" as if there were many questions and as if he should have answered mine.

It makes no sense unless you asked many questions about your role because your role is in fact somewhat complicated, or you just wanted to make it sound like I was being dishonest (hint: I haven't been).

[Kagami]

...

I am sorry for hydraslipping. It probably cost us the game.

This is the second instance that you state that you getting lynched makes you lose the game.

[Kagami]

Always had pretty strongly implied that koga has a shard. 621. I'd be very suspicious of a no-shard claim.

[Kagami]

Always had pretty strongly implied that koga has a shard. 621. I'd be very suspicious of a no-shard claim.

Always also said YnB was scum. You do like your cherrypicking though.

Flavor is not relevant.

I don't even know where to begin with this.

[Kagami]

If I have a cop guilty on shos, should I reveal it?

- y -

-________________-

[Kagami]

Well, I don't think it's a coincidence that lemniscate claimed kocho and aronis claimed kikyo.

I imagine that the scum were at least given those three undead safeclaims (asuka, kocho, kikyo), and then potentially the rest were random.

[Kagami]

SK is likely unkillable.

Kills are all accounted for. SK's primary kill is delayed poison (one or two nights), and he gains secondary kills through his semi-investigative ability.

I don't see a reasonable argument for Vig.

There has to be a missing kill night 2 at minimum.

[Kagami]

Shos town implies two missing kills

[Kagami]

If we assume SK kills only with poison, or mostly with poison, then whoever he targeted N1 didn't die either N1 or N2. That's one missing kill.

Assuming shos is town, then there's another missing kill N3 or N4.

[Kagami]

Or the groupscum failed to kill on any of those nights. Still think 4313 was a slip, but w/e. They could also have targeted the same person on some night. Not sure looking at the night kills actually has much value.

[Kagami]

oo, oo, I can write a script that will quote random posts and make nonsensical commentary!

[Kagami]

That had better not be real, you had cleared him yourself.

[Kagami]

Waiting for flips, too.

I guess shos killed SG?

[Kagami]

In the future, if you're going to fake a guilty for reactions, don't ask "So, what do you think about my guilty result?"

[Kagami]

Why does no one care about this game

Shame.

[Kagami]

I just assumed you realized that the guilty was obviously fake. Who gets a guilty and cares what their target has to say about it?

Why did you say beetlejuice when you came in if you hadn't read BB's posts?

[Kagami]

I hate this game right now.

VOTE: Bbmolla

Yeah, not buying any of what you're selling.

Notscience's response is fairly bad though. I wonder if BB happened to be correct.

What happened between these two posts?

[Kagami]

I think it's oversoul, beastcharizard, and one more. I want to think about it, and don't have much time to on the weekend.

[Kagami]

nah it's nothing to do with the voting patterns i think, there was some stuff that someone quoted at some point that made me think unlikely bo7. i might do some light re-reading and try to remember what it was

Tell me when you do, I don't see any town-glimmers from him and the rhaego thing is bad. I'm actually kind of suspicious that rhaego voted multiple scum, then shot one of the few non-scum he voted as part of some ridiculous plan.

[Kagami]

his slot was dead and flipped N1, it would make sense to make it seem like his votes were on town if they were generally not.

[Kagami]

hammer is kind of tempting, but I want to think a bit more.

[Kagami]

maybe. seems kind of dumb, though, since nobody goes, "omg one of rhaego's votes was town, they must all be town!"

or maybe they do

i dunno

BoP did something like, but you're probably right. idk.

Still think OS and beast. AD or maybe ns as the third? BB is also poss, but seems pretty unlikely.

I don't understand why shos and BB didn't do what you suggested last night, that seemed like a pretty good idea.

[Kagami]

meh, double-voter is extremely low utility, imo.

[Kagami]

but agreed that it wasn't a better shot than OS.

[Kagami]

I thought she was being cagey about it because it would go away in lylo. Anyway, not important.

[Kagami]

BC is town from role

why is this?

[Kagami]

So you see why I don't find that especially compelling, right?

[Kagami]

(specifically the CCing part)

[Kagami]

Unless naraku kills me himself, a poison kill would fail on me, yes.

[Kagami]

fwiw, I also become vanilla if we kill naraku.

[Kagami]

Also I am Kaede

Forgot you claimed human, I had been thinking you were myoga.

[Kagami]

If the goat is scum lying about being blocked, then I would think BB is town for having been blocked on the night they both targeted shos.

[Kagami]

For clarity, I'm full killproof, except that the protection doesn't apply to naraku and goes away if he dies. It's flavored Bone Trident.

This and being a demon puppet is my full role. I can renege to become vanilla, but haven't done so, and I don't see a point while the other puppets are alive. Flavor is Princess Abi.

[Kagami]

Who's conf-guilty?

[Kagami]

O right, two days ago.

[Kagami]

I'm just going to end this, I can't think of any viable teams that don't include oversoul.

VOTE: Oversoul

[Kagami]

I was sort of regretting not hammering earlier in case he somehow got out of it.

[Kagami]

If mhork is scum, we're 100% relying on the SK.

[Kagami]

If you're not scum, oversoul is. There aren't two millers with completely different role PM stylings to check a one-shot cop.

[Kagami]

O hey, didn't realize I'm alive. I thought the pm was going to be the dead thread message.

Haven't really thought about this for the past few days, but I'm not surprised at the mhork flip given the OS flip. I haven't reviewed the thread yet to see if there are any useful mhork interactions, or really looked at anything since the lynch.

Oversoul didn't have a shard, btw. PH had indeed jacked it the night prior.

[Kagami]

My ability has nothing to do with the revival. I was either strongman killed or naraku did it.

[Kagami]

Goat, shouldn't you have investigated AD? Why Y&B?

[Kagami]

Hey Kagami, you lookin for a shard or somethin?

Rest assured I am taking it from you.

What was the point of this?

[Kagami]

Who rezzed me?

[Kagami]

{Notscience, Egg, The Goat}

{Kagami, Prohawk}

{YnB}

{BBmolla, Majiffy, Muffinman}

You're forgetting someone.

[Kagami]

No, he was delirious from excessive egg consumption and really believed he had a result on one of the three.

[Kagami]

The best way we're going to get to 368 pages is by lynching scum today.

[Kagami]

I would like to hear what AD, muffin, the goat, and BBMolla think about beastcharizard.

[Kagami]

Goat, who did you target on the nights you were blocked?

[Kagami]

I've been thinking about this too.

I'm not an SK with revival powers, and that's obvious. There's no way an inconvenient mechanic like this would be centered around a self-revive, since that would be something that the SK would obviously elect to do without needing 24 hours to think about it.

If the SK were forced to revive me, that also wouldn't require a delay. It's possible that the SK can revive, and chose to do so, but I don't really see why he would. It could be that there's a mechanic centered around having all his puppets, but I could foil that as well by reneging. This would also mean that the Bo7 strongman killed me last night.

It's also possible that the dead thread somehow controls the revive power. I can't imagine that I'm so popular there that they wanted me alive so badly, but maybe my reads are correct as of the OS lynch. That implies BC is scum.

So if I were the SK, why would BC be town? If anything, the SK is looking to lynch scum today.

[Kagami]

So why do you think that scum has a counter to poison kills, and town has two anti-poison roles, while there is absolutely no kill protection specific to non-poison?

[Kagami]

I was talking to AD. I would think he'd be pretty skeptical of the other anti-poison role.

[Kagami]

AD and BC, what are your full role titles?

[Kagami]

You're being 100% super honest?

[Kagami]

How did you know ns was talking about in 4653 when you made 4657?

[Kagami]

O.O

[Kagami]

Still need to reread the first couple days to check if AD could have plausibly inferred what he said about the shards, but haven't had time/energy to do so. I remember the shard thing being a surprise when ns claimed it.

[Kagami]

I just tried to set them as a "Foe," but it looks like that functionality is disabled.

[Kagami]

Demon-miller thing makes me wary about voting muffin.

I think at least one of the poison roles has to be fake. Why would the town have two anti-poison roles and the scum have one too, while there is absolutely no protection specific to non-poison? It's already an inferior kill type.

I've liked AD's play, and it does look like the shard thing might have been inferred from BB's claim. It also seems pretty unlikely that scum-AD wouldn't be more tightlipped about it. I think beast is the scummo.

I think jiffy is flavor-cleared unless ceph really threw a screwball at us.

I think BB is probably town for various reasons. One is that he's our only doctor even though he hasn't been doing that. I also think xof having the coinflip thing was insurance put in by ceph so that BB wouldn't be mislynched over skepticism of a percentage role.

Egg isn't scum because of flipped ninja + puppet mechanic strongly implies town tracker.

Everyone else could be scum, though PH prob isn't Bo7.

[Kagami]

Who do you want to lynch jiffy?

[Kagami]

VOTE: beastcharizard

[Kagami]

thought I was voting.

[Kagami]

I'm pretty sure all the votes on bc and muffin are non-Bo7, though I'm skeptical that muffin is scum.

[Kagami]

If we want a PL lynch it is between me and Y&B. Me for being useless and Y&B for being spammy.

You're not a PL.

Prod acknowledged, but nothing's really changed.

[Kagami]

Just a reminder to everyone that we need to be careful about voting.

One kill last night probably means there was a poisoning that we'll see tomorrow, so we effectively have 8 alive, which makes this mylo unless the goat is scum.

[Kagami]

I don't even know where to go from here...

Results or another block?

(and I think the correct direction remains BC)

[Kagami]

Meh, the "worst" vote on that wagon was AD's.

I don't really care until we get a goat flip, though. There's a good chance he's scum, which to my mind clears Molla (and thus Y&B).

[Kagami]

Aside from his role, which can't reasonably co-exist with town-AD, his iso is pretty terrible.

He votes nero for wanting to lynch town (Abom-scum).

He switches to rhaego-scum for "being super scummy." He gives no real reason for this, and unvotes upon wake replacing in.

He doesn't return to the lemni wagon until it's basically a sure thing that lemni is going down, and justifies it with "since rhaego was so scummy." Apparently that wasn't a good enough reason until lemni has 11 votes.

From there on, it's just a series of votes on town and late joins onto town lynches.

Why is he not scummy?

(fwiw, if the goat flips town, then I'm potentially wrong here)

[Kagami]

Is AD one of your potential scum reads too? Since my role can't exist with his according to you then one of us has to be scum. If you think I might be town that must mean you think AD might be scum. Why are you just now bringing this can't co-exist thing up? I don't remember you ever saying anything about it before.

Also, lets be serious for a sec. Was I even doing anything during the time you are saying I was just hoping on wagons at the end? The answer is no, I wasn't doing anything. I was just being useless.

I did say it before pretty clearly.

"Being useless" is exactly the reason you gave for rhaego being super scummy, and is generally not how a "poisonproof" should be playing anyway.

I think it's pretty likely both you and AD are scum, which would explain why you're both so unwilling to see how improbable it is that there are 2 town roles and 1 scum role that specifically combat poison, despite it already being a strictly worse kill type than an ordinary kill.

[Kagami]

The continuation of the 24 hour mechanic makes me pretty much conf-town.

[Kagami]

I feel left out of the avatar shuffle :<

[Kagami]

[quote="In post 9112, ActionDan"
3) Your particular statement I quoted is pretty ">_>" when town protective roles number zip and there's been a rather obvious role symmetry from scum roles to their town counterparts (and this will become more clear with goat's flip, who I'm pretty damn sure will flip town)[/quote]

Molla is our doc, he's just not using his role correctly.

[Kagami]

Because if it were a self-revive, then the continuation of the 24 hour thing implies I could do it again. The lynch also has the delay, so if it were actually some kind of self-revive, then it would mean that I'm multi-shot unlynchable/unkillable, which is beyond stupid. 24 hour delay on a self-revive is dumb anyway, even if it were a one-time thing.

multi-shot revive only makes sense with the context that doing so is not strictly advantageous to the reviver. If the SK is the reviver (which does seem pretty likely), then he probably gains some benefit from all his puppets being alive, but at the cost of keeping town players alive.

[Kagami]

O.o

[Kagami]

I thought PH was the SK.

[Kagami]

I revived kagami cause he was townreading me and was lynching others and might have gotten lynched for being revived

-___-

[Kagami]

O, I see. That's how ns got the shard; makes sense.

[Kagami]

If what happened is what I think what happened, we're just waiting for ns to pop in and confirm.

[Kagami]

If ns says he got a shard today, BB is the SK. To think otherwise is dumb or scum.

We're not lynching the SK with three scum alive even if he's lying about having killed town. Scum will be shooting at him to strip whatever bulletproofness he has, and he has to shoot/lynch them to avoid being endgamed.

Also, he probably knows exactly who the scum are at this point in the game. I suspect there's a significant amount of truth in his claimed ability (minus the percentages), since he'd be expected to at least perform investigations if we knew he got a shard. He's likely performed investigations in addition to his claimed action on AD.

That also makes sense given his indifference for lynching BC or AD. He probably knows they're both scum (because I'm pretty sure they are).

[Kagami]

It pains me to be agreeing with Y&B.

[Kagami]

They have me, and poison doc is barely protective.

[Kagami]

It makes little sense that the setup would be arranged specifically to prevent SK kills, but not Bo7 kills.

[Kagami]

I don't think you really believe that BB inferred as Bo7 that ns had gotten the last shard because of the mhork kill, nor that he just guessed that ns performed the goat kill.

I would like ns to confirm that, but I'm pretty sure he's right. I didn't get a shard and it sounds like jiffy didn't either.

Egg's track on BB has likely given us a route to victory where we were otherwise screwed.

[Kagami]

^ @AD

[Kagami]

I do agree that BB's action on AD isn't necessarily a guilty. It's possible that goat got double-killed or that Bo7 shot BB and he has some measure of bulletproofness.

I think BB's desire to lynch BC represents knowledge that BC is scum, though. I feel more comfortable lynching there.

[Kagami]

I'm just waiting for ns before I want to think too hard about this.

[Kagami]

btw, can people list like, 3 scum suppositions, in the case where Bbmolla is the SK. Instead of say, just 1.

It's actually pretty obvious, but we need them to bus BC, and that won't happen if people call the correct team. Jiffy's position is otherwise going to make it impossible to lynch scum.

It's a terrible idea anyway, since answering that just telegraphs viable mislynches.

[Kagami]

There's no way BB SK would have vouched for YnB scum, that makes absolutely no sense.

[Kagami]

Where are egg and ns?

-_-;

[Kagami]

Bo7 ninja also makes little sense with scum-puppet. There's no reason a Bo7 puppet wouldn't perform their kills with impunity.

[Kagami]

Yep, though I still think xof used a follow.

[Kagami]

ns wouldn't have claimed to receive a shard on the mhork kill.

[Kagami]

but he wouldn't have killed mhork if he were groupscum...

[Kagami]

Let's just get an action list from BB.

And a confirm from ns would be very nice.

[Kagami]

Have to think about the action list, but the undead cop bit is pretty compelling.

It seemed very strange that scum had undead-consistent fakeclaims and OS was an undead miller, yet the only undead cop was xof's single shot.

This also implies that BB is responsible for all the blocks we've seen.

p-edit: and yes, BB could be lying about specifics, but I don't think he's lying about HAVING an undead cop.

[Kagami]

I think he had a guilty, which is consistent with his initial plan to lynch BC, and is being cagey because he also believes his commute on AD is also a guilty. He probably is leery about giving us too much information, since that would guarantee we can lynch him if we leave potential mylo.

Whether or not he actually targeted jiffy last night, he's probably doomed without a Bo7 lynch.

[Kagami]

I'd be very surprised if scum don't immediately win when they compose 50% of the living players.

[Kagami]

BB's probably not BP with so much blocking power.

VOTE: beastcharizard

[Kagami]

Btw, BC if you were town, and I was scum, I'd be ending you right now.

Js.

Yep. BC would have been lynched already if he were town.

[Kagami]

Well, good news is that prohawk was scum.

I just got a shard (singular). If he were town, he would have said something when I said that OS had no shard.

That was a pretty slick play with the track.

[Kagami]

You're so cute, AD~

[Kagami]

(and lulz at framer)

[Kagami]

He obviously lied because he knew he poisoned scum. I don't even care, the result is the same.

[Kagami]

I kinda want to just wait for the flip. I feel like the game would be over if Prohawk was town though.

So what are we assming we are at? 4 town, 2 scum, 1 SK?

So if we lynch BBMolla, 4 town, 2 scum. Nk means 5p LYLO. Not bad actually.

Scum lynch means 4:1:1 and 2 NKs. Crosskill would be town win. Two town deaths would be 2:1:1. Ew.

Molla lynch might be best.

Oh and because Y+B asked, no result from me. I used my last one on BBMolla. I feel like I did ok with Aronis, Prohawk, and BBMolla as targets lol.

He's done a pretty good job of blocking you guys so far, what makes you think he'd suddenly fail when there's only one of you left?

O, and poison is still a thing.

[Kagami]

I can't believe I didn't think more critically about the track on prohawk, I had completely forgotten that it was the same day that abom flipped.

[Kagami]

Prohawk stole a shard from ns.

Abom (1-shot shard thief) died, not yet flipped.

You knew that prohawk was in no danger if he claimed shard thief; the scum shard-thief was about to flip. By claiming shard thief, he becomes "conf-town."

The track was just gravy.

Anyway, I'm dying to see what prohawk's full role really was.

[Kagami]

Prohawk stole the shard, no question. I just got it from him.

He's just one-shot, or it would have been him who stole OS's shard.

Scum have multiple (three at least) one-shot shard thieves.

[Kagami]

and yes, it's you and egg. You guys have played a great game, but you needed to deal with BB before he spilled the beans. You also used your strongman on the wrong target. I really thought it had to be you, PH, and BC yesterday.

[Kagami]

We have hilariously little power, and I was right that 90% of it was shos. The rest seems to be based around soft-ICs. The neighbors had to realize they were masons and the puppets had to realize it was impractical that they could be scum.

The scum powers, which mostly seem to be shard based and one-shot watch/track, are also pretty weak. Getting shards seems like negative utility, since I really doubt either BB or Bo7 could collect them all, and they otherwise just render scum vulnerable to the goat's role.

[Kagami]

Prohawk is definitely scum.

I said that OS didn't have a shard when I revived, and he said nothing about it.

As town, he would have surely mentioned the existence of another thief.

[Kagami]

I did not get a shard from hammering OS for any period of time. It had to have already been stolen.

[Kagami]

And no, I don't really grant much credit for the aronis track. Aronis was a sinking ship already, muffin and I would have made that lynch happen.

[Kagami]

yep.

[Kagami]

also, what 3-shot tracker tracks night 1, night 3, then nights 5, 6, 7?

[Kagami]

Anyway, I may be getting ahead of myself, but one shard => scum to me. We'll see how prohawk flips.

[Kagami]

He had to know to claim blocked night 6. Nonconsecutive is possible, but not odd-night.

I think 1-shot is the most likely, with attempts to use it beginning on night 5.