InuYasha Mafia (Game Over)

[ActionDan]

o boy.

[ActionDan]

BEETLEJUICE

BBm claims to have a guilty on you.

You should be calling him a lair and a cheat right about now.

[ActionDan]

Can we get a goat result?

[ActionDan]

Can you stop being bad at this game and vote someone with an actual chance of flipping scum?

Like who?

[ActionDan]

Well.

Kagami no.
goat no.
egg no.
Prohawk no.
BeastCharizard no.

^these are all people I am pretty damn sure are town.

YnB conditional but not today ofc.

Tbh, a lot of potential scum candidates for me died overnight, leaving things like Majiffy and Oversoul for contenders.

I honestly would not pick you over Majiffy if there was a scum in the 3 puppets, but damn did you look like a scum derp last page.

So UNVOTE:

Out of Mhork, Muffin, and BBm, I was townreading BBm, but honestly, his claim could be utter bullshit and he's strung it out rather well in that case. Muffin is w/e. He doesn't make much of an impression either way. Mhork claimed one of the Bo7 that went all renegade. He and Oversoul are linked in my mind wherein I am pretty sure one of them has to be scum of some sort, if not both.

[ActionDan]

I keep forgetting Muffin was HighShroomish. That slot's death would be fine one of these days.

[ActionDan]

SQ, neil, and P_A. With the possibility of Shos as SK.

[ActionDan]

They weren't main scum reads. Just people I could see as scum

[ActionDan]

Wow.

Hey if you are feeling like vile scum claim your true role etc. So we peasants may know the extent of your trickery.

[ActionDan]

So like I donr post in cave stort. I post in thwwire and I post in here.

But I meanplz who even reads your posts since day1. Titus did I guesss but titus posts are just as bad.

Come at me bro

[ActionDan]

Lets go with no.

[ActionDan]

Hard decisions take time

[ActionDan]

And while you are at it, I want to know why you think BeastCharizard is town sans "He wouldn't claim poison-proof as scum".

that's good enough for me.

[ActionDan]

The SK. I'm back to thinking it has to do with Naraku's Miasma.

[ActionDan]

And you prohawk. Who have you stolen from?

[ActionDan]

. AD or maybe ns as the third?

You are slipping into a crazy land.

Also BC is town from role if not from his posts which obviously aren't fantastic.

[ActionDan]

Not BC. his poison proof claim before poison as a kill method was mentioned is super town. Sure, scum and SK know of it, but it locks him into that claim real early and who's to say he wouldn't have been CCed by town (which Scum/SK would also know that town probably has counters as well)

[ActionDan]

(are you claiming to be 1-shot poison proof specifically)

(that may change my mind, because I really am a full fledged poison doctor)

[ActionDan]

Also I am Kaede

[ActionDan]

again... we'd lynch BBm first.

Anyway!

I'll read over BC's posts again because with Kagami as a claimed poison-proof and me as a poison doctor, ... I'm pretty sure this is enough of a CC.

[ActionDan]

In order, I've protected

MDT N1
BBmolla N2
Mastin/CoK N3
Egg N4
The Goat N5

[ActionDan]

upon review BC's posting is not the most awful thing in the world tbh.

[ActionDan]

if it's not him, it's mhork. If it is him, it lessons the chance of it being mhork.

Also that above sentiment is mirrored by me

[ActionDan]

Prohawk you probably should say who you stole shards from because that affects whether they are more or less likely to be scum.

[ActionDan]

Im honestly surprised you have not yet been killed

[ActionDan]

I kinda sorta think Prohawk is the SK.

In other news I am waiting for the Mhork flip with baited breath. At the same time Kagami dying with him decreases the chances that it's a scum flip between kagami said only the SK can kill her.

I really wish this game differentiated kills at least by poison or not.

[ActionDan]

well duh. "after" being the key word.

If NS got a shard back ... perhaps it had to do with Kagami dying + Prohawk claiming to steal Kagami's shard? Ofc Prohawk stole NS's shard a long long time ago so. I dunno.

I don't even know what to make of the shards anymore. No one has any clue as to what they might do accept possibly augment scum powers yet our 3 flipped scum don't seem to have any kind of rolenames mentioning that.

[ActionDan]

One was Oversoul-Mhork, which had just been solved, and ActionDan - Beastcharizard.

Kagami more directly cced by claiming killproof outside of Naraku.

I'm just a poison doctor. Aronis would have been my CC

[ActionDan]

However poison could be a strong mechanic and town might need the extra counters. So I dunno.

[ActionDan]

Like at this point I could care less if scum know who has shards or not. BBm's powerless, I'm pretty sure I only interfere with the SK at this point, Egg can track and Goat can shard cop but they both are always roleblocked apparently.

[ActionDan]

(though I dunno about goat or egg today actually)

[ActionDan]

(the 1-shot scum cop flipped)

pedit:

vig
poison kill
SK kill
Mafia kill

[ActionDan]

Im going to exempt myself from claiming who I protected since it wasnt kagami nor mhork

[ActionDan]

I don't even.

[ActionDan]

I'm just going to say that Mhork being a scumbag is just about the only feather I feel permitted to stick in my cap this game. Well that and Lemi being scum and dismantling her claim fuckup.

Hello Kagami. I'm going to make the assumption that you living means one of the following 3 things.

1) you didn't die by naraku and your protective whateveritis kicked in
2) you are naraku and this is a thing that happens
3) whoever is responsible for that 24 - hour bullshit revived you
bonus) 1/2 + 3 are related but that's just me being fancy

[ActionDan]

I knew that Bullshit between Mhork and AP/Iece was weird as fuck.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Muffinman

[ActionDan]

Because after reading Mhork's iso he called Shroom town.

If people are wondering why this matters read the iso to see what he claimed to think of 90% of other people (people not named Xof).

[ActionDan]

yeah, nah

ad being a dumb fuck is understandable, but that mhork flip makes me incredibly obviously town to anyone paying attention

show, not tell.

if you can that is, because I see the exact opposite

[ActionDan]

considering I was part of FEA I feel no compunction to make this longer.

Context post: Kagami where ist tho?

[ActionDan]

I'm good lynching AD or Beast. Also I'm never mass claiming my actions unless I am legitimately about to be lynched.

Why not?

[ActionDan]

Too many pages while I was at work. Don't know if I should claim my result until I read. Please slow down posting. I'd hate for my result not to go up just because people feel the need to spam.

Bbm didnt claim goat visited ynb and you honestly didnt track me or you wouldnt have included my name

[ActionDan]

Btw I think its possible ns got his shard from mhork dying. Also fuck shards.

[ActionDan]

that's correct. For example if you purloined a shard off of BBm that would probably mean he's scum

[ActionDan]

UNVOTE:

I was going to say something along the lines of the following to muffin:

who's scum?

I even have a list that might help:

town and pretty sure of it:

{Notscience, Egg, The Goat}

Not scum, though possibly SK:

{Kagami, Prohawk}

Not up for lynching:

{YnB}

leftovers that aren't me:

{BBmolla, Majiffy, Muffinman}

And thinking about it, I bet there are actually 7-scum because flavor seems to matter a whole lot in this setup.

Similarly I am going to be against lynching Majiffy because he's a claimed puppet and the Bo7 don't contain a Naraku puppet flavorwise (or so I think) which would make majiffy not actually scum (but still an SK candidate possibly).

[ActionDan]

I mentally forgot BC because I didn't want to deal with him.

But thinking about it, no, I don't want to lynch him today because of the weirdness that is your revival. I'd like to talk about it a bit. we can assume it isn't a scum action because Mhork wasn't revived. Yet the only possible person that could maybe claim that they revived you is muffin since everyone else has claimed a different role. And he hasn't done that. So it doesn't seem like a town action, ergo, it casts serious doubts on your alignment. All in all, this feels like the SK is interacting with you, in which case, either you are the SK with revival powers or the SK is forced to revive you if you die. Also that 24-hour bullshit I'm sure is tied in to this, I just don't know how.

Thus if you are the SK, BC is probably town, no I'm not going to lynch him with other options present.

[ActionDan]

This is where you are supposed to give shits

[ActionDan]

I'm Kaede,
the town human poison doctor

[ActionDan]

I'm going to go with yes

[ActionDan]

Im a smart cookie

[ActionDan]

If I was scum with such knowledge I probably would have kept it to myself.

I remember it being incredibly obvious from inference.

[ActionDan]

How did you know ns was talking about in 4653 when you made 4657?

[ActionDan]

I'll actually, like, do something in this game soonish. been slightly busy

[ActionDan]

I definitely don't feel comfortable lynching Beast with Kagami unknown

[ActionDan]

I'm not Pling at this point that's retarded.

I will however probably vote muffin even though I've gone cold on that.

[ActionDan]

I can't tbh.

The motley of claims and shards and weird shit coalesce into one confusing game state.

I don't even have an idea if any of my protects have been successful or not because poison doesn't seem to be differentiated from any other kill type.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Muffin

I probably should have voted pages ago.

[ActionDan]

I think it's pretty likely both you and AD are scum

>_>

1) There's a good possibility you are the SK which would correspond to your revival which would mean your killproof in conjunction with me and BC's roles would not be a CC.

2) Poison is likely to be an auxiliary kill method (possibly has to do with shards collected or something I dunno) because there were 4 people died that one night (N3 I believe) which = Vig kill, 2 factional kills, poison. Thus while poison is a shitty kill method, it would make sense that there'd be added protection to what is in reality a double kill by one faction (and to be honest, it's theoretically possible both scum/SK have a poison ability because Naraku has poisonous miasma and Bo7 has a poisoner guy).

3) Your particular statement I quoted is pretty ">_>" when town protective roles number zip and there's been a rather obvious role symmetry from scum roles to their town counterparts (and this will become more clear with goat's flip, who I'm pretty damn sure will flip town)

[ActionDan]

I am also of the belief that right now numbers are 5 town - 3 scum -1 SK. because looking at Mala/Mastin; Neil; Venmar/PA it seems flavor is crucial to this game and they were bound by flavor.

Similarly I think Kagami/NS/Majiffy are bound by flavor as well to not be scum since they are all claimed puppets that confirmed they had the same puppet clause D1. (one of them could be SK though, in which case it'd probably be Kagami). either way I'd rather not lynch any of them. (and yes I don't know how NS got his shard back, if he had one at all etc. and he got one by killing someone fearing goat would catch him with a shard. And majiffy being shady as fuck to me but Idgaf).

This leaves the motley of me,BC,BBm,y+B, Prohawk, and egg. from people to choose from

even knowing my alignment, it's still hard to pick 3 scum from 5 here whether or not the SK exists in the group.

The only one I can be somewhat sure on is egg from play results etc. but it's possible that was a calculated bus and we'd have to check to see how many roleblocked claims there are and if they add up. we can assume scum had a 1 to 2 shot RBer I think plus w/e the SK can do.

Prohawk... I'd say is probably town because claim before the scum 1-shot shard theif flipped + egg's track of him to NS and the subsequent claim that NS was missing a shard would prove his role is what it is.

BBm is somebody I feel obligated to vote today. For various reasons.

Y+B depends on ^ but it's time to find out for sure if she's town. a BBm scum flip doesn't mean she's scum though. But I have not had an independent read on the slot.

And BC is maybe scum, maybe town. I at least think his posting is not indicative of either alignment definitely so far.

edit: I disagree that a percentage chance to doc makes him a doc. we've had a suspicious variation in the number of kills so far from day to day that I wonder if a doc was necessary based on limitations on the SK/scum's killing methods. (discounting the vig shots it's been 1-1-2-3-1-2[1 with your revival]-1). Though this also leads to doubts that 2 anti-poison roles are necessary as well.) Also the continuation of the 24-hour shit doesn't mean you are confirmed town in the least. It could be a passive part of your role.

[ActionDan]

Theres a 1v1 now yandb.

[ActionDan]

ok spill your beans.

I'm still town. I figure you have had hand in the kagami revive + dished out poison at least once.

Also is it truly true that y+b is town?

[ActionDan]

Id like to remind everyone that this isnt the first time only one person and one person only has died during the night, nor has any complete night actions been mentioned by bbm nor has he mentioned anything having to do with poison though its at least proven that scum had a one shot poison doc. Until any of this is explained id be squinting at votes like ynbs. Bbm could still be scum despite his so called "proof". Reviving kagami that late in the game is not SOP for an SK. Saying that NS got the shard by being sent on the kill is possible clever deduction (which I for one missed).

[ActionDan]

There are a few conclusions we can make though if bbm is an SK.

1) ynb is town almost for sure (SK would out them as not friendly neighbor)
2) kagami is town for sure (2nd kill 2 nights ago)

I believe independently that Prohawk and notscience and majiffy are not scum (though I admit majiffy only because hes a claimed puppet and flavorwise no bo7 member is a puppet).

Leftover is... me bc and egg. And youd have to pigeon hole 3 scum into these three slots. For the town members alive id like to ask if this makes much sense when both me and beast claimed and soft claimed roles related to poison d1 and egg cced aronis.

For those of you who want to debate my axioms above youre welcome to, but supply reasons if you want to challenge any individual point.

[ActionDan]

Hi bbm. Comprehensive night actions go

[ActionDan]

Alright. I'm done for. I'm actually Naraku the serial killer. I commuted AD last night, I wanted to try to see if I could get a BC lynch before an AD lynch but I fucked up.

Jesus fuck I was so god damned close

If you want, you can leash me, no funny games I can claim all my role shit. I'd rather town win than the other scum team.

Btw guy who thinks im scum. You wanted a Bc lynch, who presumably would be town so that after your poison kill last night (I missed you mentioned this earlier) that you think will hit town, you were okay going into tomorrow with 2 town 3 scum and you?

[ActionDan]

That supposed team is town, town, town. Js.

I agree though that its plausible bbm is the SK. Its just as plausible if not more so hes mafia however.

Pedit. Id agree if I wasnt worried that his kill last night is a poison kill in which case mafia achieves parity from it

[ActionDan]

You arent wrong. The real sk may not cc if they fear scum get lynched too fast and they wind up vs 2 town. Or if they arent BP.

Sk wins when they are the only one left alive or nothing can stop that from happening

[ActionDan]

Lots of things need to happen before we lynch anyone.

The first thing is bbm claiming his full sk role and night actions

[ActionDan]

Ive been an sk twice recently and made it pretty far both times, being endgamed by scum both times. I know their fear. If bbm is scum and gets lynched and say scum kill who bbm poisons and then town lynch another scum suddenly things arent so clear.

Goat only said you didnt have a shard. Thats not clearing you per say.

Also kagami if me and bc are both scum are you happy just saying town has no protective role at all?

[ActionDan]

Besides the fact that I think bo7 probably has a poison ability anyway you would be a counter to bo7 kills by your own claim.

Pedit you arent getting lynched today derpface

[ActionDan]

I don't think you really believe that BB inferred as Bo7 that ns had gotten the last shard because of the mhork kill, nor that he just guessed that ns performed the goat kill.

I would like ns to confirm that, but I'm pretty sure he's right. I didn't get a shard and it sounds like jiffy didn't either.

I think it's very possible that it could be inferred that NS got a shard off of the mhork kill.

I think you are right about the 2nd kill though. If NS does get the shard, I'd be willing to agree that BBm is the SK. Even if he didn't, it may be that a double kill on goat occured.

pedit: goat was a shard cop you herpaderp

[ActionDan]

I'm being pushed by someone who is not proven yet to be an SK. And even if he were, for motivations that may not be as simple as "oh he's trying to lynch scum because he needs to kill them off!" without knowing who he actually poisoned. what if he poisoned someone he thought was mafia. We don't know.

At the very least I'd say commuting me makes sense for him so he can poison who he chooses.

pedit: bc is honestly falling into a category of P.O.E scum in practically every scenario I can think of. (In case anyone has been reading my longer posts about who is and who isn't likely to be scum and why)

[ActionDan]

It's only annoying since you're comparing apples to oranges.

[ActionDan]

I'm waiting for bbm's everything and then counting up the roleblocks.

[ActionDan]

I'm not sure about you, but the (majority of the) rest of us are trying to map out who is scum. Your night actions might help with that if you claim them truthfully.

I could care less if you're BP or not, or what other passive abilities you have.

[ActionDan]

^ that's actually the least important thing because I'd rather scum have the chance to double kill.

The rest of his night actions actually matter though.

Btw, if the revival is independent of kagami being kill-proof, are we assuming a strongman that somehow can pierce the clause "can't die except via naraku" and also is directly countered by a revival power nevermind that the only other protection a strongman could be breaking has to do with poison and furthermore it's not that likely a strongman shot was saved until N6?

[ActionDan]

btw, can people list like, 3 scum suppositions, in the case where Bbmolla is the SK. Instead of say, just 1.

[ActionDan]

Well town has the majority at the moment, if only temporarily, so I feel like we should make use of it.

I also think it's reasonable to say that no matter what there is a max of one mafia in the puppets (and I don't believe there is any tbqh) so I'm looking to see if people to name at least 2/6 people as mafia in the rest of everyone.

Like if they can even do it. Especially in the case where Bbmolla is a SK. because it's rather tough. (Bbmolla being Mafia would make this easier)

[ActionDan]

From your prospective, assuming all of the above + assuming Bbm is the SK, then you'd have to have Egg, Bc, and Y+B as the last 3 mafia.

I'm not sure you'd be comfortable with that list. (I wouldn't be).

[ActionDan]

^ I agree.

[ActionDan]

But I think Prohawk is town, and egg is very likely to be.

So with BBm SK that leaves who to be mafia. Bc and ? and ?. I can't fill those question marks.

[ActionDan]

And even if we want to play the "maybe a puppet is scum game," Shos said something along the lines of Majiffy being a demon (which I should check) and there was the triclaim of Prohawk claiming to steal a shard from NS, NS confirming he lost his shard, and egg tracking Prohawk to NS.

[ActionDan]

I think it also points to the fact Egg is town as he's the only town thing claimed so far that that ninja could counter

[ActionDan]

did you mean to say BC instead of NS?

[ActionDan]

Im still not scum. Im going to go ahead and assume scum tried to kill a BP molla. The next thing to do is count the roleblocks that goat egg bbm and ynb have claimed over the course of the game.

[ActionDan]

Or else molla still able to guess ns got a shard by assuming majiffy or kagami would have claimed to before he was caught. I still cant name 3 scum.

[ActionDan]

but he wouldn't have killed mhork if he were groupscum...

Hed have been forced too. Puppet and all.

But i dont think puppets can be scum

[ActionDan]

So majiffy, did you get a shard? ever?

[ActionDan]

undead copped beast

And?

[ActionDan]

has he actually claimed an innocent?

[ActionDan]

He's not doomed completely (depending on wincons). assuming Majiffy is town, BBm has a chance to poison scum this night, making the game state 2town-1sk-3scum the next day, a no-lynch goes to 1-town-1SK-2scum and then 1-SK-1scum.

Regardless I'd rather hear a definite yes/no on BBm's result from his own mouth. And yes I agree that he's definitely cagey or he'd have told us by now when he claimed actions or even before.

[ActionDan]

started yes, finished no.

So you got a shard majiffy?

[ActionDan]

Also you are apparently slated for death

[ActionDan]

that's enough to confirm BBm is SK imo.

[ActionDan]

but now I have no clue who scum are.

[ActionDan]

You know, just in case AD isn't scum. Just in case. You never know.

I'm like. not.

I also don't trust BBm wanting to lynch me before BC before this revelation. when he knew BC was guilty and voted me anyway. But I also don't understand the purpose for it. And BC is probably scum regardless at this point.

Still can't name 2 more scum even if magically a puppet is scum.

pedit: To be honest. I don't even know. lots of things would be amazing if Molla was mafia. the world would make sense (to an extent) but he's ordered those kills since those peeps have those shards.

It's possible, but unlikely, that it could be that it's an SK team of 2. that was a precedent in both FEA and Homestuck. with comparable numbers of players.

[ActionDan]

one reason might be to deter a poisoner from targeting you knowing that your scum partner was a scum doc.

However, why you and not another scum partner claiming is not known, nor is it known if the benefits outweigh getting locked into the claim.

And flipping on you is only a function of being unable to narrow it down to anyone else. It's why I stuck with voting muffin yesterday. At the current moment I'd so much more prefer voting Bbm but if he's serial killer which seems likely it's close to throwing the game.

Now it's possible that there's only 2 group scum left, not supported by flavor but maybe ceph left one Bo7 member out, and then lynching Bbm is just fine. I am not sure I want to gamble on that.

[ActionDan]

Independent of anything else, can we agree that ynb's posts lack and semblance of critical thinking and instead employ the overuse of sensationalism, repetition, and intimidation to make up for it.

Because the sense I get in these last posts are not one of beastcharizard being scum. He might be scum, but not from these posts.

I'd ask BBmolla to name a third scum "that makes sense" but I doubt he could do it.

[ActionDan]

BB's probably not BP with so much blocking power.

VOTE: beastcharizard

I actually have a theory that it relates to you being revived. Because there is no way an SK would revive you that late in the game otherwise. (maybe maybe it frame you as SK but still) all 3 puppets living might grant him a bonus.

[ActionDan]

Bbmolla can you give a particular reason you tried to go after me earlier instead of Beastcharizard even if you thought we were both scum (with a guilty on him no less), because you know, Bc is the claimed poison proof anyway so it's not more advantageous to you to kill me off before him.

[ActionDan]

The only thing holding me back from voting Beast is the fact that I can't understand the push on Actiondan earlier today.

They're both scum.

It'd be fucking stupid to lie about this guys and I have no point to do so.

Then why didn't you come out and say BC was guilty at the earliest opportunity if it was so important to you?

[ActionDan]

Btw, BC if you were town, and I was scum, I'd be ending you right now.

Js.

[ActionDan]

Can I ask you about more technical distinctions between your scumreads like, for instance, who is Bo7 scum and who is SK naraku? because these things matter you see.

Egg is a claimed tracker (either 3-shot, non-consec, odd night, or otherwise though he didn't claim precisely). The only other town role with anything similar is Xofelf's, which apparently was a 1-shot follow. Considering the SK can't be traced to kills and the scum had a two-shot ninja, one can surmise egg as town.

Prohawk is a claimed shard thief that hasn't yet full claimed targets (which he might as well do btw), that claimed before the scum shard thief flipped, and was tracked to NS whilst NS claimed to be missing a shard. This practically confirms Prohawk stole the shard (though it's possible that other scum shardthief stole it and prohawk did something else to NS but that's hard to believe). On the basis of scum most likely not having duplicate roles, Prohawk is most likely not mafia.

As for me, why precisely would it matter who BB was pushing if we're both town?

Kagami was killed the same night mhork was so that looks like a mafia kill and that would mean kagami is not mafia.

[ActionDan]

before we go to night I was wondering since your track was not used up by being roleblocked, if the same interaction might occur based on ynb targeting titus night 2. ascetic's usually passively roleblock the target.

[ActionDan]

wait who did you target. I remembered you targeted Mastin/COK N1 and that failed. and then I thought you targeted titus N2 and that failed because of the ascetic.

[ActionDan]

I'll consider it.

meanwhile, I confirmed it, and for four nights, not a single undead or demon targetted me. that's just.. wierd.
if that means I wasn't roleblocked - or at least not by a nonhuman - then where was the RB? why didn't he target YnB? possibly X-shot?

sigh

it's almost 3:30 am, I better go to bed. I hate not sleeping on workweeks.

Human roleblocker? Human commuter? Two people simultaneously claimed that they attempted actions on you last night but failed -> not a coincidence. Some scum shenanigans must have happened. It's more likely you were a target of an action rather than them being separately roleblocked and coincidentally targeting you on the same night.

You know I was just isoing but boy. Did bbm commute shos somewhere. This day could have been longer

[ActionDan]

oh, it was geists. forgot.

[ActionDan]

You'd best determine that by actually reading my posts with the large word counts. And I was suggesting that maybe BBm was lying about an action as I frantically extracted a post in the brief time we have before going to night.

I have been as comprehensive as possible for a thread that's 374 odd pages long. It's possible to miss an odd thing or two every so often. More comprehensive than most everyone else with the exception of Kagami.

[ActionDan]

I can only think of 3 things.

Besides the fact that BBmolla is a dirty no good rotten liar.

1) Mafia are actually the three puppets, in which case they'd be known by the SK to be scum
2) no Mafia actually left. tbh. I don't even know in this case. maybe SK team of 2.
3) ???



I'm going to probably voting for Bbmolla on the assumption that at this point he probably tried to NK a mafia and also I don't care. If prohawk is somehow scum maybe I'll give a fuck.

[ActionDan]

I'm going to wait for prohawk to flip first at least. I'm not getting my hopes up though.

I probably will vote Bbmolla, because fuck if I know what's going on.

[ActionDan]

And a redirector too amiright?

[ActionDan]

And a redirector too amiright?

Did you just scumslip, lol? How would the poison doctor know anything about any redirector?

To be as dry as possible, Prohawk died instead of Majiffy, so Bbmolla didn't target Majiffy.

[ActionDan]

I'm not sure I understand you. the Prohawk track tracked him to NS from whence NS claimed to lose a shard and Prohawk claimed to receive one.

[ActionDan]

O I C.

At the same time, would there be any reason for two of the mafia members to target NS? Because I'm pretty sure I justified internally that it was Prohawk that stole the shard because of that.

[ActionDan]

Also I object to the word "You".

[ActionDan]

Hate to break it to you but I'm not scum. And I really really doubt Egg is either. And ftr, I bet Prohawk isn't either.

And you know what? The puppets may not be either. It may just be Bbmolla (and possibly a partner).

In regard to stealing the Oversoul's shard, is it true that you got the shard from oversoul, however briefly? I remember Prohawk claiming to target you thinking you got it from hammering him.

edit: shouldn't the fact we have little power (which I agree with, demon race cop / shard cop are nifty but nothing of the sort like a hard cop) including apparently absolutely no way to protect against scum kills alert you to the fact that maybe, a world with 7 scum and 1 SK may not exist? With your supposition that me and egg (and Prohawk) are scum, you've wrote off the rest of anything resembling useful power. Especially egg being a tracker which I remind you was used to seal Aronis' fate after he claimed (normal) doctor, and (though I bet you'd discount this) tracked Prohawk to NS.

I think for me seeing Beast flip town, I question having SK kill counters (even if Bbm is very strong for an SK) with nothing besides apparently your own protective clause to deter mafia kills. So yeah, I'll say something is fishy.

[ActionDan]

Also it's incredibly poor form to hope your players associate a neighborhood with flavor clears whether or not that's the case. So I'm not counting that as raw power besides whatever one can normally do with neighborhoods (which is limited)

[ActionDan]

In that case I believe the only other option is that some other scum stole it besides Prohawk (with the assumption that Prohawk is a 1-shot shard thief) the night after Titus' lynch. Is this correct?

[ActionDan]

I'm willing to entertain that theory after Prohawk flips.

If Egg is scum it's possible that's it's odd night tracker / 1-shot shard thief, like that other guy was even night shard cop / 1 -shot shard thief.

[ActionDan]

but then we're back to "why would a mafia 1-shot tracker use his 1-shot N5 and not way earlier"

[ActionDan]

The duck is a troll.

[ActionDan]

I'm not even surprised.

[ActionDan]

I think the best course of action is to panic.

Then to lynch Bbmolla because this game makes no sense.

[ActionDan]

I don't think he ever claimed to get more than the one from NS.

As you said, it's possible something else took oversoul's shard before he was lynched. there's a one-night window.

pedit:

Well guess what. I'm not scum! surprise! I think a 2/3 puppet scum is weird and be inclined to think it's all or nothing.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Majiffy

They had more than enough time to quickhammer.

BB is SK beyond any reasonable doubt.

technically they might fear bbm poisoning one of them (if we're going with 3 scum)

[ActionDan]

about kagami being killed by scum. we're still assuming that was a scum strong-man shot in a game with no doctor?

[ActionDan]

And we trust that there are three scum left

I don't trust this.

few things in this setup that make no sense atm to me.
7 scum with an apparent strongman shot vs 1 SK where town has poisonproof + town doctor (I don't care if you don't believe me, I am)

Conclusion: I don't think there's that many scum anymore.
Another random thought: I bet Naraku can self-revive from getting lynched.
Other Other thought: I think everyone is town atm besides Molla and Maybe he has a partner

^ Why I want to lynch Molla.

People thought it had to be Beast. It wasn't. People thought it had to be Prohawk. It wasn't.

I'm sticking to egg being a town tracker when a mafia ninja has flipped and naraku not being able to be tracked to kills.
I'm sticking to kagami not being mafia scum with the kill on mhork that same night, poison be damned.
I'm sticking to Y++B not being mafia scum.

I'm sticking to it being fucked up if NS + majiffy are both mafiascum, or even if one is.

I also think it's fucked up that BBm revived Kagami but I think that might be a compulsive thing.

I also think that Bbm isn't particularly forthcoming when 3 mafia would be a huge threat to him.

I also think that it's possible that having only one death a night for the last 2 nights just might be because mafia don't exist anymore.

So this is my position. I'm not changing it to make sense of something seriously fucked up anymore.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Bbmolla


I invite Mafia to quickhammer this btw. if you dare.

I feel like cindy at the end of the 2nd scary movie.

[ActionDan]

BB appears to have blocked the last two scum kills, you're really trying to pretend that they have no use for a strongman?

If you are referencing commutes, I'd say that in general commutes supersede strongman shots, since strongman shots break protects most times, like jailkeeps and docs and BPs (and sometimes roleblocks). but commutes, hides, and w/e is like that is different.

+ strongman does so so little against your protection in particular when Bbm can revive you (and probably compulsively)

[ActionDan]

the flavor miller guy if any would probably be the big one that looks like a demon cuz he eats demons.

But strongmans don't go through commutes. I at least don't think I've ever seen it, and furthermore I bet mods don't try to mix the 2 roles together

[ActionDan]

You're free to keep drinking the coolaid.

[ActionDan]

btw If I do get lynched, just keep on lynching Bbm until the point where he dies.

[ActionDan]

I'm not hammering majiffy. I doubt this will affect anyone's thought processes here though.

And I'm not scum. I also hope this game is easy and it's just BBm. But I want to know if people are prepared to accept that that just may be the case. in the event majiffy flips town, and say egg/Y+B dies and flips town. what then?

[ActionDan]

about kagami being killed by scum. we're still assuming that was a scum strong-man shot in a game with no doctor?

I thought we were assuming scum didn't kill one of their own. If not Kagami, who did they kill that night in a game with no doc?

Also, if BBMolla is the last scum, we have plenty of time. And the game is very town sided.

Vote Majiffy

Y+B, we kind of need you to sheep this

Confirmed not mafia. it's possible shenanigans are afoot and she is sided with the SK. That's why it's good to question each and every little assumption we make.


Exactly. Mhorkscum died on the same day as Kagami. Mhork was Molla's kill. kagami was scum kill. Kagami is conftown.

[ActionDan]

about kagami being killed by scum. we're still assuming that was a scum strong-man shot in a game with no doctor?

I thought we were assuming scum didn't kill one of their own. If not Kagami, who did they kill that night in a game with no doc?

Also, if BBMolla is the last scum, we have plenty of time. And the game is very town sided.

Vote Majiffy

Y+B, we kind of need you to sheep this

Exactly. Mhorkscum died on the same day as Kagami. Mhork was Molla's kill. kagami was scum kill. Kagami is conftown.

Confirmed not mafia. it's possible shenanigans are afoot and she is sided with the SK. That's why it's good to question each and every little assumption we make.


fixed

[ActionDan]

>_> . Anything you feel like adding?

[ActionDan]

>_>, I tried at the end.

A little annoyed at egg there but hey what can you do.

[ActionDan]

>_>, I tried at the end.

A little annoyed at egg there but hey what can you do.

How about listen when I hand you the scumteam?

Marred with votecounts and all.

[ActionDan]

I honestly will agree with Mhork that the blue-balls factor got accentuated the last few days.

And that Bo7 scum were underpowered. not that town was powerful, but damn that SK faction.

[ActionDan]

I would have liked knowing which kills were from poison. It would have been pleasant if not actually particularly game changing.

[ActionDan]

And If I were the Bo7 scum I would have killed molla. like N2. T_T.

I think perhaps the biggest mistake was not lynching molla in place of muffin. I regret that. I regret other things during those hazy days but probably that one most.

[ActionDan]

for some reason I thought there couldn't be slow poison. I rechecked my PM's but saw that it wasn't disallowed by wording.

I almost protected Always N1 after I thought they were a mason and at the very least a shardholder. But nope I had to protect the puppet with a claimed power. N2 it was again between Bbmolla and Always

[ActionDan]

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[ActionDan]

this is not really the best example.