Tales of You (Endgame)

[Titan]

Maybe it wasn't attack, but it was that weird you have a problem, you need to figure things out post that was really reminiscent to his tone to me in Titan.

[Titan]

Like if Mastin is scum, then it makes so much more sense that Rancid were scum too because they literally started attacking me while Mastin made that crappy push against me. It still feels odd the way they did that.

I just don't know. I just don't care at this point.

[Titan]

VOTE: mastin

[Titan]

It's nice to know my one and only certain town read is town, and not dead so thank iomedae for that!

So, you guys gonna come out of the neighborhood now and stop circle jerking about how right you are. I still feel like there's scum in that neighborhood.

Penguins pretty much going to bat for bro being town, depending on how he plays it today I guess, but she's talking me down fro
M my des/bro bloodthirst so it's up t you boys. Do something!

VOTE: carbon fiber

I'll answer you when I'm at my computer.

[Titan]

I can't believe you of all people are asking me about that hammer. It was two days until deadline. The lynch wasn't going anywhere else. The games over 290 pages long, and the most of the discussion has been after mastin and then mastin making a fucktin of walls tha weren't giving anyone a clear read on him except more suspicions. What the hell do you think was going to happen in two days especially with the only person you trust to run the town and des/bro REFUSING to d anything else besides sit in that fucking neighborhood.

I was tired. I'd had enough. The distraction wasn't going to end and on top of that I'm fucking sick as shit and didn't have the patience for another 50 pages of the same damn thing.

I thought he might be scum and if you read any of m posts you'd know that I was a the pit that I thought his lynch would be the best thing regardless.

And your asking me why I hammered?

Spoiler: why I hammered

Penguin told me someone would be opportunistic and come after me for that hammer. What I'd like to know is why'd you unvote? After pushing him all day and then going we should lynch angry pigeon? And why did nacho never vote even whoe pushing the worlds largest case on him?

I laughed when penguin said someone would be opportunistic and come after me for the hammer, I just never in a million years thought it would be you.

[Titan]

I want to explain why Titan is scum but I don;t hgave it in me. I can't do it. I thought I coulsd calm down in a bit but my heart is racing. I am in a computer lab right now eagerly awaitun for the game to start.

I talked in the neighborhood about how I thought the scum was PA/AP/NAcho/Tammy.

I told Nacho to bring it. I told him to tell Tammy in the scum QT to attack me (As a jkoke). I did not expect that at all. I reeally didn't

I messed shit up this game so badly. I let TAmy set me up forgfettng lynched after pushing so hard on Mastin and Rancid.

Mffin is probably laighing in the scum QT.

Nati as well. They warned me over and over not to collaborate with Tammy so mucj,.

I just went to restroom and tried to calm down and think of all the things why I thought Titan was scum but my mingf id blank I can't thing ruight now.

This is fucking bullshit. On the off chance you're town and actually think there's a snails chance I'm scum, you should give up playing mafia.

Can you read the neighborhood topics you set up?

[Titan]

F-16 please get into the neighborhood, thanks in advance.

Just so you know if this is the game you decided to spearhead my mislynch, bravo.

[Titan]

Tammy why did you vote CF?

Because he started setting me up fr the hammer in his first post f the day.

[Titan]

I want to explain why Titan is scum but I don;t hgave it in me. I can't do it. I thought I coulsd calm down in a bit but my heart is racing. I am in a computer lab right now eagerly awaitun for the game to start.

I talked in the neighborhood about how I thought the scum was PA/AP/NAcho/Tammy.

I told Nacho to bring it. I told him to tell Tammy in the scum QT to attack me (As a jkoke). I did not expect that at all. I reeally didn't

I messed shit up this game so badly. I let TAmy set me up forgfettng lynched after pushing so hard on Mastin and Rancid.

Mffin is probably laighing in the scum QT.

Nati as well. They warned me over and over not to collaborate with Tammy so mucj,.

I just went to restroom and tried to calm down and think of all the things why I thought Titan was scum but my mingf id blank I can't thing ruight now.

This is fucking bullshit. On the off chance you're town and actually think there's a snails chance I'm scum, you should give up playing mafia.

Can you read the neighborhood topics you set up?

BULLSHIT. THAT's YOUR REACTION. I WAS DAMN NEAR BREAKING DOWN ABOUT THIS AND YOU JUST TOLD ME THAT I WAS BULLSHITTING. THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY YOU ARE TOWN.

My role pm says otherwise.

Why'd you start setting me up for the hammer in your first post?

[Titan]

I do think it's likely there's definitely a scum roleblocker btw.

[Titan]

Tammy why did you vote CF?

Because he started setting me up fr the hammer in his first post f the day.

Holy crap, you actually believe this? You actually think that I'd set you up - you who is unlynchable when town. DO you think I am a fucking MORON.

Well then what were you doing? Pere told me someone would come after me and lo and behold you did!

[Titan]

I KNEW YOU WERE SCUM AND I WAS TELLING EVERYONE IN THGE NEUIGHTBORHOOS ABOYUT UT

I told Nacho he was scum with yo.

You're right to read Tammy card is in the shredder.

[Titan]

Why'd you start setting me up for the hammer in your first post?

I didn't set you up. I asked you about it. I asked you why you hammered. It seemed odd to me.

This entire game, you were fucking with me. Everytime I ask you a question, you yell at me and tell me I'm not seeing where you are coming from. You've been making shit pushes all game. JSU? PV? Like what the actual fuck? They are town, town, town, town, town, and there is no way you can't see it unless you are fucking deluded. You are not.

Um people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

And you can fuck off.

I'm towntowntowntowntown and you're deluded if you think I'm anything but. Geezuz fucking Christ my hammer seemed odd? What. The. Fuck.

[Titan]

Why'd you start setting me up for the hammer in your first post?

I didn't set you up. I asked you about it. I asked you why you hammered. It seemed odd to me.

This entire game, you were fucking with me. Everytime I ask you a question, you yell at me and tell me I'm not seeing where you are coming from. You've been making shit pushes all game. JSU? PV? Like what the actual fuck? They are town, town, town, town, town, and there is no way you can't see it unless you are fucking deluded. You are not.

You haven't been seeing where I'm coming from all game. Supposedly you did yesterday, I hope you didn't actually throw your laptop out the window!

[Titan]

I KNEW YOU WERE SCUM AND I WAS TELLING EVERYONE IN THGE NEUIGHTBORHOOS ABOYUT UT

I told Nacho he was scum with yo.

This is fucking bullshit by the way.

And I do believe you'd set me up. I watched what you did to Mina in wicked. a REMEMBER?

[Titan]

I KNEW YOU WERE SCUM AND I WAS TELLING EVERYONE IN THGE NEUIGHTBORHOOS ABOYUT UT

I told Nacho he was scum with yo.

You're right to read Tammy card is in the shredder.

So is your right to read F-16 card.

Well considering I'm not completely convinced he's scum, but felt like that question was slimy, and penguin was pointing out some things she didn't like about him, I was trying to figure out my damn read.

If he's going to be slimy with me he's got to expect some push back.

[Titan]

TAMMY: In the neighborhood last night, it was Desperado who was paranoid of you. F-16 had doubts in small bursts, but reread to reassure himself. That doesn't seem like he's "posturing against you", and I have no idea why he would posture against you in the first place as scum.

He literally said he knew I was scum and telling everyone in the neighborhood about it.

[Titan]

Anyway, in case this bullshit goes somewhere

I'm milla maxwell a town determined warrior. I'm an anti-roleblocker. But I had to decide before the game started who I was going to attach myself to and I can't change it unless the person I chose first dies.

Guess who I chose? Guess you can't guess? Nacho is unroleblockable. That is why I started the game already paranoid about their slot and asked them to town themselves early. I thought that in a large there could be one of both and if I made scum unroleblockable I'd be screwing over town. The "I will stay with you" in my first post referred to that. I stay with the person and fight along their side.

If nacho dies, I can choose another person, and my action can't be roleblocked.

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And what the fucktin fuck. I didn't even see your meltdown until quite a bit later. I'm on my fucking phone and didn't read the million edits. You're screaming at me that I'm scum when you felt to me like you were setting me up. I do hope you're okay, and now that's going to sound insincere but when I read it I thought you were trying to imitate bro's meltdown. I'm sick as fuck and barely able to keep up with shit as it is.

Anyway, I don't care if people get mad at me claiming but whatever.

And falcon I said I would answer you when I got to a computer, which I didn't do because I'm still on my damn phone why wouldn't you just wait. Also if we are both town then we irrationally got it into our heads we'd push each other. And since I waffled on you like crazy in the neighborhood last night going from a I'd be surprised if you flipped scum to a maybe the scum team is nacho/falcon/pere/Orcinus to a yeah I'd be surprised if he flipped scum to a wait nacho might be town here's why to a hold on I think I do actually like my town tell for pere to a you know what the only thing I feel good about in this game is that ffery's town and if she dies I don't know what to do because it's the only thing I feel solid on. No I wasn't planning on pushing anyone but you put my back up with that question about the hammer and of anyone to try to make me look bad for that I didn't think it would be you and then I thought maybe penguin was right about her suspicions.

[Titan]

I'm not the running around calling Cassandra on him.

Is it wrong I'm feeling slightly amused that someone is declaring KNOWLEDGE I'm scum when I'm as town as I've ever been.

I mean for someone so attuned to my meta, it seems extraordinarily unlikely I'd get paranoid about someone over night. Shit how many times have I paranoid voted someone, then talked it out. For someone who knows I get paranoid?

[Titan]

I'm not the running around calling Cassandra on him.

Is it wrong I'm feeling slightly amused that someone is declaring KNOWLEDGE I'm scum when I'm as town as I've ever been.

I mean for someone so attuned to my meta, it seems extraordinarily unlikely I'd get paranoid about someone over night. Shit how many times have I paranoid voted someone, then talked it out. For someone who knows I get paranoid?

Point out a game where you non-RVS voted me ever before?

Point out a game where I was saying there was scum in your neighborhood, haven't had you strong town, and you looked like you were setting me up for something that I can't even imagine coming from scum you.

And just so you know this oh I knew it I knew it is completely wrong.

Like seriously, if you actually think I'm scum here, you've definitely lost the right to read me.

And nacho shut up. Yes, I'm suspicious but I'm hella far from ready to roast him over a pit.

[Titan]

Also, this is the part where I tell you all I FUCKING TOLD YOU ALL ABOUT GIF FROM THE FUCKING ONSET, AND I FUCKING KNEW HE WAS A MODERATE TO STRONG PR.

Um

Congratulations.

Now if you could start being right about scum reads, then you can start bragging.

[Titan]

Aka I'm pretty sure F-16 is half me, half you.

WHAT?

I said I'm pretty sure F-16 is half me, half you.
And I was talking to Tammy.

I don't get it?

[Titan]

Penguins pretty much going to bat for bro being town, depending on how he plays it today I guess, but she's talking me down fro

1) You

just

modded a game where I was mislynched as town, and a lot of my emotionality (at least the genuineness of it) is the same in this game as it was there.

2) You also saw the dead QT for that game where penguin and I had a fairly extensive convo about how neither of us can read each other to save our lives.

So, you want me to ignore the town read she gave you orrrr?

Because I don't see your problem with that.

[Titan]

You don't have to bully me

I've never?

Why are you only trying to tell me I'm wrong about falcon? I'm the one with suspicions and paranoia especially based on him setting me up for that hammer, which oh my gods was a mercy killing and the best damn thing for town at that point. I mean holy fuck.

[Titan]

I can't believe you of all people are asking me about that hammer. It was two days until deadline. The lynch wasn't going anywhere else. The games over 290 pages long, and the most of the discussion has been after mastin and then mastin making a fucktin of walls tha weren't giving anyone a clear read on him except more suspicions. What the hell do you think was going to happen in two days especially with the only person you trust to run the town and des/bro REFUSING to d anything else besides sit in that fucking neighborhood.

You act like I've been in the neighborhood.

You realize that I've borderline site flaked at this point, right?

I don't have access to your neighborhood so I wouldn't know what you are personally doing. No I don't go searching for people and am having enough problems keeping up as it is. But your other head Adid peak out of the neighborhood to say he wasn't doing anything until mastin was lynched.

[Titan]

I can't believe you of all people are asking me about that hammer. It was two days until deadline. The lynch wasn't going anywhere else. The games over 290 pages long, and the most of the discussion has been after mastin and then mastin making a fucktin of walls tha weren't giving anyone a clear read on him except more suspicions. What the hell do you think was going to happen in two days especially with the only person you trust to run the town and des/bro REFUSING to d anything else besides sit in that fucking neighborhood.

I personally would have hammered. I didn't expect you to hammer because it's not what you do. You wait and wait and wait until the very last second before you make a decision.

It looked like you didn't want the lynch to switch to AP and wanted to grab this lynch while you can and also not let Mastin react to your vote on him.

Why did you never, ever, ever vote for days and days and as soon as he was brought to L-1, immediately claimed the hammer?

Um yeah I do. I once spent an entire game doing nothing but hammering. I think it's obvious if you read my posts, and my answer to this already. Was anything going anywhere? Would there have been another lynch? I was sick as shit and couldn't out up with another 50 pages of that crap. I was hoping that in the end he was scum and I'd get to hammer the scum who came after me early day one for bullshit. And holy shit I do hammer. Go read pick your power that I played with nacho. It's the one I linked that I said I wasn't so proud of. I hammered well before deadline when it was clear there would be nothing else. Someone I thought was town even.

For someone certain of my meta you sure are getting things wrong here. I just can't figure out why you of all people came after me about the hammer.

[Titan]

Also, this is the part where I tell you all I FUCKING TOLD YOU ALL ABOUT GIF FROM THE FUCKING ONSET, AND I FUCKING KNEW HE WAS A MODERATE TO STRONG PR.

Um

Congratulations.

Now if you could start being right about scum reads, then you can start bragging.

VOTE: Titan

Wrong again bucko!

[Titan]

Penguins pretty much going to bat for bro being town, depending on how he plays it today I guess, but she's talking me down fro

1) You

just

modded a game where I was mislynched as town, and a lot of my emotionality (at least the genuineness of it) is the same in this game as it was there.

2) You also saw the dead QT for that game where penguin and I had a fairly extensive convo about how neither of us can read each other to save our lives.

So, you want me to ignore the town read she gave you orrrr?

Because I don't see your problem with that.

I feel like town-you should have gotten my point, or that I was gunning at something a bit more complex, especially given the conversation we had about Mina and Mala in Wicked re: their early read on Hanzo and how that informed my reads on them.

I feel like when you were scum in attack on Titan you came after me with some bullshit reasoning for what you think I should do/get as town. You were off there and you're off here.

If you mean I shouldn't totally trust penguin, she knows I'm paranoid of her.

[Titan]

You act like I've been in the neighborhood.

You realize that I've borderline site flaked at this point, right?

Hey BRO Im in a sort of similar state right now so work with me then?

Ive been turning up a lot of town losses recently and its getting depressing even if a lot of those were hydras where my buddy acted alone or I got NKd N1 and ya Im a little worn out on trying to do this shit. And I feel like Ive lost my old dedication to rereading things objectively on my own time to try and piece things together and take a reasonable approach. The goddamn apathy and bias and waffling in this game is like a reflection of my spirit in town games recently. So lets say we both actually give this game a good kick in the teeth for once? I think if we actually try we can pull this shit out still.

Deal? But you gotta stop hiding out in that damn private topic.

Also Im not totally convinced your town after recent F16 events, so lets work on transparency woooo.

I haven't been in the neighborhood QT much either. Desp has a bit more, but he's kind of weird with activity.

I also have reason to believe that you're telling the truth, even if everyone and their mother still seems to think otherwise.

Right now my reads on Tammy and Ceph/DV are most in question. I feel like they've positionally benefited from the noise that's happened this whole game (interesting that, since the day start, I'm the only one to even bring up Ceph/DV).

This is such fucking bullshit.

[Titan]

Like seriously bro, if you're town you have lost every single bragging right you've ever done in a dead qt about your awesome reads. a EVERY. ONE.

[Titan]

I give up. If the only person I think is town in this game actually thinks I'm scum then I just give up. I don't know what's going on here at all.

[Titan]

IF PENGUIN IS TOWN SCUM CAN READ OUR NEIGHBORHOOD!

[Titan]

No one will pull out of the tunnel because it's essentially playing chicken for who blinks first.
But if you don't want to listen to me because I've never been right about anything ever, then OK.

I'm not in a tunnel. I don't even know where the walls are in this damn game.

[Titan]

Your pushes this whole game have been absolute shit Tammy. (And yes Mastin, Muffin, Nati I know this applies to me as well)

I posted a long ass wall explaining to you why BRO and Desp were town. You ignored it completely and continuous pushed them even though their alignment is obvious as fuck to anyone with two brain cells.

You kept pushing PV because he used old meta on you. Bullshit. You didn't stop for one second to consider why the fuck scum-PV would even bother pushing you.

You pushed Pie when he was the towniest he has ever been in his entire life of playing mafia.

Now you are voting me and the way you are attacking me still feels like you are not even trying to figure me out but just trying to justify your push and make yourself look good.

You "lean town" on Penguin which is absolute bullshit. Penguin has been scum, scum, scum. I analyzed her posts in the neihghborhood. Her push on Mastin was fake. Her role is not fucking town. There is not a bodyguard, bulletproof, commuter, and watcher in the same game. Her role if fake. Her push is fake. Her interactions with me fit scum-Penguin to a T.

You ignored her, you claim you can't get a read on AP. And you tunnel PV? and BRO-Desp and me? You are a better player than this as town.

I'll read this when I get to a computer, but I just want to post this for pis treaty's sake considering I'm fucking town and you are trashing me very very incorrectly.

[Titan]

I give up. If the only person I think is town in this game actually thinks I'm scum then I just give up. I don't know what's going on here at all.

Stalin?

Yes, that's been my only town read that I feel confident about.

[Titan]

IF PENGUIN IS TOWN SCUM CAN READ OUR NEIGHBORHOOD!

What?

It's the only way this push on me makes sense.

[Titan]

Wait.

Actually pere might have town slipped. Hang on I need to check something.

He did mess up falcons role. He thought falcon was in the neighborhoods he set up.

Well, I might try to see where he's coming from if he could make sense, but the way that's going I'm not sure.

I think he did town slip though. We don't have a quick topic for our neighborhood, but the answer he have me about Clyton thinking that we had a lurker was for a quick topic. On the assumption that cabd is using ms private topics for everything, pere giving me that answer thinking I was in a quick topic means it's likely he's not in one because then he would have known that you can't just look at unique views and why I didn't understand why he thought there was a lurker. So, if a member of the scum team could verify if you have a quick topic that would be very helpful thanks!

DOES THIS LOOK LIKE ME TUNNELING?

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

[Titan]

And considering the last thing I said about pere in the neighborhood was that I actually liked my town tell for him, pray fucking tell how am I tunneling?!?

[Titan]

You are going to have to explain that one for me carefully. All I see id you and CF hamming up the thread. And CF pushing you looks rather OMGUSy at the core, regardless of his alignment.

I dont think Stalin ever called you scummy, they've had you as a moderate townread all game for the most part?

And Stalin is confirmed town, by the by.

They weren't talking about me; I misunderstood.

Yeah, I know Stalin is confirmed town. It doesn't change the fact that they've been the only touchstone I've had in this game.

[Titan]

On a total sidenote though: If CF is scum, maybe he -can- access other neighborhoods somehow and just hasnt claimed it?

That's why I asked him if he could see the neighborhoods he sets up.

[Titan]

I feel like when you were scum in attack on Titan you came after me with some bullshit reasoning for what you think I should do/get as town. You were off there and you're off here.

If you mean I shouldn't totally trust penguin, she knows I'm paranoid of her.

So then why are you having her read on me hold any water when you:

1) Don't trust her fully.

2) Know that even if she is town, her ability to read me isn't particularly strong.

I have some reason to trust her, though lol cabd game so not completely.

Because even if she's scum, she's calling you town possibly for town cred in which case you're still town. I never said it made my read change completely, I said it quelled some of my bloodthirst for your slot meaning I was coming in with an open mind.

Though wait. What did Pie flip?

[Titan]

Your pushes this whole game have been absolute shit Tammy. (And yes Mastin, Muffin, Nati I know this applies to me as well)

I posted a long ass wall explaining to you why BRO and Desp were town. You ignored it completely and continuous pushed them even though their alignment is obvious as fuck to anyone with two brain cells.

You kept pushing PV because he used old meta on you. Bullshit. You didn't stop for one second to consider why the fuck scum-PV would even bother pushing you.

You pushed Pie when he was the towniest he has ever been in his entire life of playing mafia.

Now you are voting me and the way you are attacking me still feels like you are not even trying to figure me out but just trying to justify your push and make yourself look good.

You "lean town" on Penguin which is absolute bullshit. Penguin has been scum, scum, scum. I analyzed her posts in the neihghborhood. Her push on Mastin was fake. Her role is not fucking town. There is not a bodyguard, bulletproof, commuter, and watcher in the same game. Her role if fake. Her push is fake. Her interactions with me fit scum-Penguin to a T.

You ignored her, you claim you can't get a read on AP. And you tunnel PV? and BRO-Desp and me? You are a better player than this as town.

I didn't ignore it. I read it. I worried you were being manipulated but didn't want to push it. I also worried you were scum doing the same thing for Bro as you did for Penguin in Wicked. I chose to try not to get overly paranoid about it. You have no understanding of my scum game if you think I, as scum, would ignore something like that. I, as town, get paranoid. I, as town, set things aside until I can make sense of them. I, as town, don't always address everything in thread.

PV's use of old meta when he had a perfectly good recent game to look at was and is bullshit. I didn't keep pushing PV, in fact, I even pointed out a reason I thought he was town. Did you ignore that?

Part of my read on Penguin comes from ffery declaring her town when she replaced in. I'm paranoid of Penguin and she knows I am. She's not a watcher though. What makes you think I'd recognize scum!Penguin anyway?

I ignored who? I don't know what to think about AP. Do you know how to get a clear read on AP? I don't. I didn't tunnel PV. I haven't tunneled anyone this damn game because I've been so freaking lost I don't know what's going on. I have one read I feel good about ONE. And that ONE just got confirmed so yay me the one thing I felt good about was right. I'm AWESOME!

But thank you very much for trashing my town game. I may not be on point this game but I couldn't be more town. I am trying to figure you out but it's kinda difficult when you're declaring a very town me is SCUMOHIKNEWITKNEWITKNEWITKNEWIT WHEN I'M FUCKING NOT.

[Titan]

UNVOTE:

I'm going to step away from this argument. I kinda don't think a scum!falcon would trash me the way he has.

[Titan]

But then I gave desperado a pass in the Reckoning for tunneling on mollie when I didn't think he'd do that.

But, I don't know if he'd actually say some of those things if he were scum. IDK

[Titan]

Penguins pretty much going to bat for bro being town, depending on how he plays it today I guess, but she's talking me down fro
M my des/bro bloodthirst so it's up t you boys. Do something!

BRO - I'd like you to address this and then the crap you pulled on me. I clearly said she's going to bat for you and talking me down, and then I say it's up to you do something. Which clearly should mean that I was trying to have an open mind with regards to you.

[Titan]

I KNEW IT. YOU WERE SETTING ME UP WITH MASTIN BEIONG TIWN OI CANT PTYUEPOE ATGF AT FTYPE PROPERLYT

How was I setting you up for Mastin being town again?

Also are you really calling me scum because I didn't rush in here and ask if you're all right? Didn't Pie use this accusation against Mastin already. He didn't appropriately respond to Bro's meltdown and therefore was scum.

Also, in the next post you repeatedly say "fuck you". You should go read the Reckoning and see how well I respond to people going fuck you when I haven't even done anything. I'm pretty sure that when mollie said she needed a break because of something, I told her fat chance for the way she'd talked to me, so yeah.

[Titan]

I want to explain why Titan is scum but I don;t hgave it in me. I can't do it. I thought I coulsd calm down in a bit but my heart is racing. I am in a computer lab right now eagerly awaitun for the game to start.

I talked in the neighborhood about how I thought the scum was PA/AP/NAcho/Tammy.

I told Nacho to bring it. I told him to tell Tammy in the scum QT to attack me (As a jkoke). I did not expect that at all. I reeally didn't

I messed shit up this game so badly. I let TAmy set me up forgfettng lynched after pushing so hard on Mastin and Rancid.

Mffin is probably laighing in the scum QT.

Nati as well. They warned me over and over not to collaborate with Tammy so mucj,.

I just went to restroom and tried to calm down and think of all the things why I thought Titan was scum but my mingf id blank I can't thing ruight now.

You are literally going from Tammy is my A+ town read will throw my laptop out the window if I'm wrong to I'm scum over night and you can't for one second understand that I might be paranoid about you when I've been talking about me being paranoid about you. You even responded to ffery yesterday that I had reason to not call you 100% town, so I really don't get this at all.

You think that Nacho told me to attack you in our scum qt and I did. Are you serious?

Like this doesn't even make sense and doesn't even flow with how I play scum. If you're mind is a blank on why i'm scum it's probably because I'm not.

[Titan]

Pere told you?

Penguin told me. I mistyped.

[Titan]

I KNEW YOU WERE SCUM AND I WAS TELLING EVERYONE IN THGE NEUIGHTBORHOOS ABOYUT UT

I told Nacho he was scum with yo.

This is fucking bullshit by the way.

And I do believe you'd set me up. I watched what you did to Mina in wicked. a REMEMBER?

You also watched him experiencing a ton of trepidation and me being like "it's okay, she's not actually that town"? Why do you think all of his meta cases landed on him not being sure about her alignment?

But he pushed her, mocked her and attacked her playstyle.

[Titan]

He said maybe we were scum together and we were going to blow our cover and mislynch him today

Yes yes because I typically try to lynch people who call me A+ town their strongest town read when I'm scum. Right Right. And I also decide to do exactly what something thinks I'm going to do because I'm crafty.

FEAR ME RAWR!!!

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I can't imagine how happy zMuffin and Nati are to see this. I feel so sorry and feel like crap for pushing them.

I can't imagine they're actually happy to see the town driving themselves into a hole because people are making irrational pushes. I'm sure pie's pissed that you're making an irrational push on Tammy and Tammy's making an irrational push on you. I'm sure Mastin isn't happy that you're repeating old mistakes. I'm sure even LORD BUSINESS doesn't want to see this happening for the third day in a row.

NO, they are happy because they wanted to see me punished in some way for pushing the crap out of them. They don't want town to win anymore because of me.

I know they were right all along. Nati called Tammy scum. Muffin called AP scum.

I KNEW Tammy was scum all along at some deep level and was partly kidding myself into townreading her because I didn't want to scumread anyone I like playing with. I never want to scumread you, and I never want to scumread Tammy.

Like this was the first game ever that I came into the game being unsure of Tammy as opposed to calling her obvtown. That's when I should have known. That was the differentiator between her town and scum games.

I spent HOURS reading every page of Stacking the Deck front to back and back to front. I read every word she wrote in the game. I didn't even ISO. I read it in context.

I watched as you took Syr down and how she went on to win the game. Her scumgame parallels yours and is truly spectacular to watch.

I'm pretty damn town though and was from the start? You say you KNEW I was scum all along but then in an earlier post you say that us misreading each other is a scum claim.

Are you sure you want to stand by me being scum?

Thank you for the compliment on my scum game. I don't think it's spectacular at all, but I appreciate it. But, if you have paid attention to my scum game, you should see that when I'm at my best I'm actually trying to get town cred. A scum me would have loved to keep Mastin around. A scum me would have had a solid read on that. You only have to look at Red Wedding to see how a scum me championed Metal Sonic against my partner Generic. The noise was delicious, I took a side, and tried to get my partner lynched in the process because I would have had metal sonic on my side and would have looked good while doing it. That's how I treat noise and a volatile situation as scum. Maybe I wouldn't always bus my partner, but it would be easy to take a stand instead of waffle about the player for 200 fucking pages. And since town reads are what typically come easiest to me it wouldn't even be out of the ordinary for me to town read him. And I mean geeze how you can't see I was conflicted about his and rancid's alignment is just astounding.

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I'm not the running around calling Cassandra on him.

Is it wrong I'm feeling slightly amused that someone is declaring KNOWLEDGE I'm scum when I'm as town as I've ever been.

I mean for someone so attuned to my meta, it seems extraordinarily unlikely I'd get paranoid about someone over night. Shit how many times have I paranoid voted someone, then talked it out. For someone who knows I get paranoid?

Point out a game where you non-RVS voted me ever before?

I don't know if I've ever nonRVS voted you before, but I'm not sure why that matters. I've non RVS voted Tierce before. I've non RVS voted Empire before, I think. I've non RVS voted people at Westeros on paranoia, one I can read better than anyone I can read on this site. In Tales of Vesperia, I literally double checked with cabd a couple times during the game that my mod-confirmed mason partner was definitely confirmed to me and it wasn't a secretly bastard game.

OH MY GODS did you read the dead thread of Pick Your Poison where I worried you were scum. Sure, fine, I'm usually able to contain some of my paranoia but not always.

You knew that I was worried about you before the day started. I didn't make a case against you or call out the pitchforks. You got my back up with something I didn't expect from you.

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Penguins pretty much going to bat for bro being town, depending on how he plays it today I guess, but she's talking me down fro

1) You

just

modded a game where I was mislynched as town, and a lot of my emotionality (at least the genuineness of it) is the same in this game as it was there.

2) You also saw the dead QT for that game where penguin and I had a fairly extensive convo about how neither of us can read each other to save our lives.

1) I

modded

the game. I didn't have to read you in that game because I already knew your alignment. If you'll note my suspicions of you continued because you didn't feel like the Wicked game or our talks afterwards in the dead thread.

2) She's in part leaning town on you because she said the meltdown was genuine. At first she said that the meltdown looking genuine wasn't necessarily alignment indicative but then as she read she said she thought you were town.

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I'm not the running around calling Cassandra on him.

Is it wrong I'm feeling slightly amused that someone is declaring KNOWLEDGE I'm scum when I'm as town as I've ever been.

I mean for someone so attuned to my meta, it seems extraordinarily unlikely I'd get paranoid about someone over night. Shit how many times have I paranoid voted someone, then talked it out. For someone who knows I get paranoid?

Point out a game where you non-RVS voted me ever before?

Point out a game where I was saying there was scum in your neighborhood, haven't had you strong town, and you looked like you were setting me up for something that I can't even imagine coming from scum you.

And just so you know this oh I knew it I knew it is completely wrong.

Like seriously, if you actually think I'm scum here, you've definitely lost the right to read me.

And nacho shut up. Yes, I'm suspicious but I'm hella far from ready to roast him over a pit.

I am not the one voting you, you are.

What the hell was up with the whole "he's not playing like AoT or Wicked but still could be scum because Nacho showed him shit?"

Nacho and I were hydra'ing in your modded game. It is not like we went to a far-off island where he taught me ninja tricks or something. It all happened right under your nose. You still said I was bad as scum in the dead QT while you watched. Like seriously, what did you expect that I supposedly learned that I didn't show right in your game?

I'm not the one shouting from the rooftop you're scum you're scum you're scum either.

YOu don't think it's possible you could learn some confidence about your scum game from hydraing with nacho? And if, as I was toying with, that you're scum with him again? I don't remember calling you bad at scum, there were some obvious scum posts TO ME but I knew your alignment there and as I pointed out most times with people I had confirmation bias there because I already knew your alignment.

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I can't believe you of all people are asking me about that hammer. It was two days until deadline. The lynch wasn't going anywhere else. The games over 290 pages long, and the most of the discussion has been after mastin and then mastin making a fucktin of walls tha weren't giving anyone a clear read on him except more suspicions. What the hell do you think was going to happen in two days especially with the only person you trust to run the town and des/bro REFUSING to d anything else besides sit in that fucking neighborhood.

I personally would have hammered. I didn't expect you to hammer because it's not what you do. You wait and wait and wait until the very last second before you make a decision.

It looked like you didn't want the lynch to switch to AP and wanted to grab this lynch while you can and also not let Mastin react to your vote on him.

Why did you never, ever, ever vote for days and days and as soon as he was brought to L-1, immediately claimed the hammer?

How now?

Do you really think the lynch would have switched to AP? Are you serious? For two entire days Mastin was the discussion of the lynch. AP is a claimed cop, your neighborhood wouldn't do anything besides lynch Mastin, you only trusted Pie to lead the town in the first place, where do you actually think that lynch would have switched to AP?

I just don't understand how you can't see how Mastin was going to be the lynch. There was going to be nothing but two more days worth of the same thing. Noone was changing their minds.

You know what I love. Pere accused me of distracting from the Mastin lynch, while I was trying to read Mastin. And I hammer and you're accusing me of distracting from some other non existent happening lynch.

Quite frankly when you unvoted Mastin at the end of the day, it looked suspicious to me after Mastin flipped town. I thought you were trying to demonstrate fake uncertainty on the lynch you'd been pushing the entire time and that you decided that actually the noise would be more beneficial to have around than lose.

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Hey, Tammy would you mind leaving carbon alone for a while and entertain me?

Do you want me to do cartwheels?

[Titan]

assuming you're young enough as it won't break any bones, sure!

why would cartwheels break bones?

what's up.

[Titan]

Also, someone is being ridiculously dead-pan about events in the thread and I think they are skyrocketing to my favorite lynch rather quickly.

I kind of expected someone to bite on this or at least play 20 questions with me.

Buuuuut no one has, so I'll say that these posts have stuck out like a sore thumb:

Hi

Team

Was Yggdra actually a scum nightkill?

i want to do a flavor mass claim

Its like Magenta became a robot over the night phase.

Did anybody use a robot-izer on Magenta or are they just scum?

I thought at the time you were referring to JSU and was waiting to see how that played out.

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I want everyone to claim child/adult

Geriatrics have pretty fragile bones.

initial scumreads

AP, Mastin, Clayton, DV/Ceph

with mastin gone, I am unsure who teammember 4 would be, thoughts?

I had AP as scum earlier based on prohawk's posting, but then he claimed that weird cop role so IDK.

Arthur had DV/Ceph as scum on day one due to his buddying of me. They're someone I wanted to reread as day one when I started to think that rancid and mastin were town, I thought that scum were town reading me. DV usually scum reads me when he's scum or throws up fake paranoia, but they seem a little too sure that I'm town.

I'm paranoid of Penguin, but know part of her role is true because it's been confirmed. I don't want to go into that. That part makes me lean town. I don't know if Penguin!scum comes in so strong against Mastin upon replacement. Her reaction to her flip seemed a bit genuine.

I don't even know if I buy Falcon as scum. I just don't want to believe as scum he'd basically tell me knowing that I'm town that I've sucked this game, am deluded and can do better. I just don't think he'd go there. I just think that if he was scum, he'd know that when I say I'm lost I really mean that, and that he'd try to manipulate me in another way.

I don't know. I tossed around you guys being scum but I still liked Orci's interaction with me day one, so it's not something I feel good about. I worry about nacho but Bork's posting around and about Mastin looked town so I keep going back and forth. I worried about Pere but I do like my potential town tell for the quicktopic thing.

I just don't know. I'm hoping this weekend to see if I can make some sense out of things now that the question of Mastin is gone.

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Then why the fuck are you not reading my posts where I explained to you why I asked that question?

I was on my phone. I missed a whole bunch of shit.

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Not really, no. The reason is largely selfish, but I've no doubt there are townspeople with age limitations to their PR's. Also assuming all the scum have age limitations to their roles, they already have at most, 8 people in this game who they know are adult/child while those who are town have at most, two

I don't understand this.

I don't have any age limitations though.

I'm a female adult though. I've already claimed so I don't think it matters that I claim that too.

pedit: paranoia on your slot is concern that nacho was "bussing" at the end of day one by suddenly pushing the lynch onto you knowing that you could self-govern and would look town from it.

ffery's been my only one town read I've felt really good about.

Brian/ns - don't know. I don't know how to read Brian really. I've seen him look pretty town before but he makes those long quote wall posts and it's hard to get a read on him from that. I really don't remember anything he's said this game. I thought that notscience had a good start though. I wish he'd come back as I think I'd be able to read that slot better with him in it.

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TAMMY: In the neighborhood last night, it was Desperado who was paranoid of you. F-16 had doubts in small bursts, but reread to reassure himself. That doesn't seem like he's "posturing against you", and I have no idea why he would posture against you in the first place as scum.

He literally said he knew I was scum and telling everyone in the neighborhood about it.

Okay, here's what actually happened in the neighborhood.

Desp said that you were scum setting us up. I kept insisting that you were town, that your play was town and that I would cry if you flipped scum.

But at some point, I realized that I had never played with scum-you and didn't know whether or not I'd be able to catch you because there's never been an instance of it in the past. So, I went and read Stacking the Deck of Power and saw your scumgame. I saw you and Tierce pushing mislynches and curbstomping your way to victory even after Nacho got Syryana lynched D1. It was at that point that the paranoia really intensified and I started to wonder if the scumteam were you, Nacho, PA, and AP. I jokingly said to Nacho "If you want to blow your cover today and go after my mislynch tomorrow, try it. And tell Tammy in the scum QT to do it as well." I wasn't actually serious but it was part of my imagination. And then, when you opened with a vote on me, I just fell apart completely.

I sort of fantasized about what a you/AP scumteam would do and figured that AP would push me and you would push BRO. It was still a part of my imagination.

See this is where I just can't see a town des. Why was he, at the same time that he was so damn convinced that Mastin was scum that he wouldn't do anything else, also saying I was setting him up in the case of a town flip. Like I never said anything of the sort. I've been paranoid of that slot the entire game. He also said ffery was setting him up while ffery was calling him a bet the farm town read. That makes no sense to me. I just don't see how anyone looks at my play and goes oh setting someone up in case of that person flipping town. I'm trying to even think of a time when I "set someone up" as scum considering my scum game contains little to no planning at all. I just don't think that way as scum. I don't plan ahead for how I'm going to do things. I think the only time I can even think of a time that comes close is maybe when I preemptively tried to draw a link to syryana and someone else for avoiding a lynch on scum but I'd have to even go back to that game and see if I did that. I mean even in Stacking the Deck I didn't plan on busing syryana. I literally could have saved him after he claimed, but decided nah let's bus because in that moment it felt like the right thing to do. I still don't know if it was, but we won anyway so whatever.

I'm really really trying to see what you see in des/bro but all I see from there is manipulation.

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You are sort of describing how I felt in my neighborhood oscillating between telling Desp that I know your play well enough that this is very blatantly your towngame to thinking "could she actually be scum? I mean she's good at it and downplays it a lot and if she is, we're all fucked." I didn't "know" all along that you were scum, I just feared it and made connections that I shouldn't have made because I was thinking so much about this game and driving myself into a paranoid spiral I wasn't even thinking clearly.

That's definitely how I've been thinking about you this game. I don't know what you see in my scum game though that makes you think it's good, but thank you.

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I didn't ignore it. I read it. I worried you were being manipulated but didn't want to push it. I also worried you were scum doing the same thing for Bro as you did for Penguin in Wicked. I chose to try not to get overly paranoid about it. You have no understanding of my scum game if you think I, as scum, would ignore something like that. I, as town, get paranoid. I, as town, set things aside until I can make sense of them. I, as town, don't always address everything in thread.

PV's use of old meta when he had a perfectly good recent game to look at was and is bullshit. I didn't keep pushing PV, in fact, I even pointed out a reason I thought he was town. Did you ignore that?

Part of my read on Penguin comes from ffery declaring her town when she replaced in. I'm paranoid of Penguin and she knows I am. She's not a watcher though. What makes you think I'd recognize scum!Penguin anyway?

I ignored who? I don't know what to think about AP. Do you know how to get a clear read on AP? I don't. I didn't tunnel PV. I haven't tunneled anyone this damn game because I've been so freaking lost I don't know what's going on. I have one read I feel good about ONE. And that ONE just got confirmed so yay me the one thing I felt good about was right. I'm AWESOME!

But thank you very much for trashing my town game. I may not be on point this game but I couldn't be more town. I am trying to figure you out but it's kinda difficult when you're declaring a very town me is SCUMOHIKNEWITKNEWITKNEWITKNEWIT WHEN I'M FUCKING NOT.

Okay, a few things:

1) I disagree with Ffery's declaration of Penguin town for a couple of reasons: Penguin told me that she was trying to improve her scumgame and that the wall I wrote in Wicked gave her a lot of information about how she appears to an outside perspective. For instance, I point out that she pushes lynches harder and with more conviction as town. Most of what I wrote about her was genuine. That's why I felt that her push on Mastin was playing specifically to subvert that meta because it was overdone and it was too much. It felt unnatural. Her response to me about BRO was also hedgy and exactly the sort of things I look for in scum-Penguin.

2) I have AP as a clear scumread. For whatever reason, it became more clearer after Mastin and Rancid flipping town. They wanted AP's blood pretty badly and I think Mastin was right about him.

3) Worrying about me manipulating BRO was fair enough since it is analogous to my wall on Penguin. What I hoped for was you to work with me on a read that I was very, very certain about.

1.) We'll have to talk about Penguin later. My head is pounding and my medicine will be kicking in soon and then I'll be out. And I still want to chat in the neighborhood before I do.

2.) Well I still don't know about AP but it's possible we won't have to wait much longer if Katsuki has role results on him? It would be awesome if he was scum as that would mean that at least one of my day one scum reads was right.

3.) I just don't know that I can give that to you. I don't see what you see. I'm not in the neighborhood and their play just doesn't seem genuine to me.

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We named our hydra that because we waffled on our hydra name for something like two weeks. Everyone was giving us playstyle quirk names for our hydra and we almost named ourselves treestump because of how slow we are to vote. We ended up naming our hydra waffles because that's the name sleepykrew gave to my cat after I went for a month or so deciding what to name him. It's why our avatar is my cat.

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I KNEW IT. YOU WERE SETTING ME UP WITH MASTIN BEIONG TIWN OI CANT PTYUEPOE ATGF AT FTYPE PROPERLYT

How was I setting you up for Mastin being town again?

Also are you really calling me scum because I didn't rush in here and ask if you're all right? Didn't Pie use this accusation against Mastin already. He didn't appropriately respond to Bro's meltdown and therefore was scum.

Also, in the next post you repeatedly say "fuck you". You should go read the Reckoning and see how well I respond to people going fuck you when I haven't even done anything. I'm pretty sure that when mollie said she needed a break because of something, I told her fat chance for the way she'd talked to me, so yeah.

I did follow the Reckoning and I am sorry for saying "fuck you." I was stressed in real life and I had exams coming up and I was mostly unprepared for them and the pressure was building up. It just happened at a really bad time.

Nothing that happened earlier is your fault. All you did was vote for me which is to be expected in any mafia game. I am sorry I freaked out like I did. I don't even know at this point if it was based purely on in game events or if I was just so stressed, I completely freaked upon seeing a vote on me. I should not have taken it out on you. I am also sorry about trashing your pushes. My play here was if anything even worse. I don't think I've ever played a game this badly before and I most certainly shouldn't have said that you voting me was the cause of it because I imagined all this crap about how you and Nacho would unleash hell today and then I look back and see what you did, and it was, was a simple vote!

I'm sorry for flicking you off!

I hope your finals go well.

[Titan]

Quite frankly when you unvoted Mastin at the end of the day, it looked suspicious to me after Mastin flipped town. I thought you were trying to demonstrate fake uncertainty on the lynch you'd been pushing the entire time and that you decided that actually the noise would be more beneficial to have around than lose.

I never voted or unvoted Mastin actually. If you are referring to my saying that we should lynch AP, then yeah that was me wondering if Mastin was genuinely town that caught AP.

I thought you were on the wagon and unvoted.

I'll respond to the other post about how were viewing the game tomorrow. My head feels likes it's going to explode and in about five minutes I'm going to be babbling nonsense. Hopefully it knocks me out.

[Titan]

I'm astounded by your inability for basic reading comprehension.

You should fake claim a guilty on me pere. I hear that's all the rage.

[Titan]

Yes, that is me dismissing you because quite frankly what little toleration I had left after board games was burnt to toast after seeing you plummet to the deths of fake claiming a fucking guilty as town in a game.

VIG ME FOR IT.

[Titan]

I'm astounded by your inability for basic reading comprehension.

You should fake claim a guilty on me pere. I hear that's all the rage.

Yes, I am astounding.

You may answer the question.

My investigations this game are lethal (and delayed), but you are definitely on the short list.

Nope I'm not going to answe your questions.

VIG ME.

[Titan]

I'm astounded by your inability for basic reading comprehension.

You should fake claim a guilty on me pere. I hear that's all the rage.

Yes, I am astounding.

You may answer the question.

My investigations this game are lethal (and delayed), but you are definitely on the short list.

Nope I'm not going to answe your questions.

VIG ME.

OK.

thank you!

[Titan]

Why was he, at the same time that he was so damn convinced that Mastin was scum that he wouldn't do anything else, also saying I was setting him up in the case of a town flip. Like I never said anything of the sort.

Hm. Im trying to remember, but I think he did something similar in my mini theme. But its possible Im just remembering BRO's part in that, but I think Desperado also tunneled on the mastin mislynch there as town. What worries me is that these guys were so gung-ho about it again despite just having mislynched mastin horribly in a very similar fashion.

Wait? He or they were posturing about being set up for causing a mislynch while they were convinced they were lynching scum in another game?

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I just don't understand how you can't see how Mastin was going to be the lynch. There was going to be nothing but two more days worth of the same thing. Noone was changing their minds.

Stalin was sort of waffling about it, tbf. The main thing I don't get is that CF himself was pushing the mastin lynch but now posting things about it being a setup.

Well I mean it doesn't matter that a couple of us were waffling, it's still the lynch that was going to happen.

Quite frankly when you unvoted Mastin at the end of the day, it looked suspicious to me after Mastin flipped town. I thought you were trying to demonstrate fake uncertainty on the lynch you'd been pushing the entire time and that you decided that actually the noise would be more beneficial to have around than lose.

He voted mastin at some point?

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No I misremembered or was hallucinating. I swear I can remember clear as day seeing him unvote mastin when he suggested you be lynched but it doesn't exist.

[Titan]

I need a nap, I'll respond to the things I said I'd respond to from last night or anything I missed later.

[Titan]

I'm still not going to answer your questions until you demonstrate reading comprehension and ask something that makes sense, but if you're town you shouldn't VIG me.

<_<

>_>

>_>

Just sayin.

[Titan]

I was eagerly waiting for the day to start.

First off, sorry Mastin and Rancid if you are watching from the dead thread. My read on both of you guys was absolute crap. I know you probably hate me but I'll do the best to make it up to you and I want you to be able to chalk up another win. Mastin especially. You did everything you could. You left no stone unturned in trying to communicate with the town. More at endgame.

I have a few thoughts but I want answers to the following questions first:

AngryPidgeon, who did you investigate today and what were your results?

Penguin_Alien, we need to talk. It'll be awesome if you can provide your reads and catchup with the game. I want to hear your updated reads on everyone in the game, especially AP.

Tammy, why did you hammer AP so quickly when there were still a couple of days to deadline. It seems unlike you to vote before utilizing every second of the deadline clock. You waffled and waffled and waffled on Mastin and when he was brought to L-1, you checked with Breakfast, wanted the hammer, and hammered instantly. I want to see where you are coming from here.

It's nice to know my one and only certain town read is town, and not dead so thank iomedae for that!

So, you guys gonna come out of the neighborhood now and stop circle jerking about how right you are. I still feel like there's scum in that neighborhood.

Penguins pretty much going to bat for bro being town, depending on how he plays it today I guess, but she's talking me down fro
M my des/bro bloodthirst so it's up t you boys. Do something!

VOTE: carbon fiber

I'll answer you when I'm at my computer.

Also, I strongly suspect Nacho to be scum.

Pie and I talked a lot in the neighborhood. We discussed reads, commiserated about our horribad reads on Mastin and Rancid, bounced thoughts off of each other about all living players and made some progress on solving the game. I even told Pie it was like having a faux-hydra partner as long as FourTrouble had been checked out. Speaking of which, he says he will be back soon now that his finals are over.

I suspect that someone in the neighborhood knew this and wanted to eliminate Pie because he was so useful to the town. And that someone I strongly believe is Nacho.

I asked Nacho for his reads and he sort of ignored me while responding to other non game relevant stuff (me apologizing to him for bringing up Touhou as well as venting at him) but he didn't respond to my questions about reads.

Speaking of which, ffery, you were right about Rancid all along! I should have listened to you on them.

@Tammy

- this does look like a freakout on both of your parts. He makes statments and asks questions to three people.

You complain (AGAIN!) about their neighborhood existing and how they need to get out of it, while chewing my ass yesterday for THE EXACT SAME THING (me: "Hey Tammy, what's going on in that neighborhood of yours?" you:"SCUM! SCUM! SCUM!") and then think Carbon is scum for asking you a question?
And since the above was a question too, I expect another freak-out. Kind of mandatory at this point.
And, Carbon has been spewing neighborhood summaries right and left. So and so said this, I said that, they said that, they said nothing. And you are again (AGAIN!) pushing the "secret" neighborhood play of those within it.
You have yet to compare his summaries with Just Sheep Us or Nacho or Carbon or Yggrda's in-thread play to point out anything different.
This looks like scum paranoia on your part.

Here's why peregrine is full of shit, doesn't know how to read and is cheery picking his posts and arguments.

Our arguments about the neighborhood are like carrots and oranges. They're not even remotely similar. First off Peres original bs argument was that I hadn't said SNYTHING about the neighborhood when in fact, I had. I had talked about as much interaction as we had had in the neighborhood. The only information I hadn't divulged was our claims which is no one else's business. When I told him his accusation was ludicrous, he couldn't be fucked to act like a big boy and go my bad I missed that because I can't be fucked to actually read posts. No, he had to act all high and mighty about the things I did say.

The situations with the neighborhood weren't/aren't remotely similar. We were inactive in the neighborhood and thread. The claims were the only thing kept out of the thread. The dynamics couldn't be more different.

The argument that I'm making about the other neighborhood is that they, except falcon, are hiding out in the neighborhood. They were lock stepping everyone of their reads. I think there's scum in that neighborhood manipulating the neighborhood and using that to manipulate the game.

I've said this 50 fucking times. There is no way someone who is actually reading the game can be confused or misrep this fucking hard over the neighborhood issue.

If you want to get off your high horse and talk to me with a different tone, I will talk to you. But I have no literally no respect for players who play against their win con in now two recent games and then take the damn tone you are to me. I don't care how drunk with power you are because you're scum or a VIG. None. You can shoot me if you want but that would be playing against your wincon, and it was me playing against mine to encourage you while thinking its possible your town.

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Though I do have to wonder at pere trying to instigate an argument again that was talked out last night. The trollish language and goading makes no sense from town at all.

[Titan]

Though I do have to wonder at pere trying to instigate an argument again that was talked out last night. The trollish language and goading makes no sense from town at all.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

This. Is. Not. Town.

[Titan]

You played against your win Von and you plated against your wincon in left4dead.

I'm not going to interact with you anymore.

You are scum.

[Titan]

*inboard games

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Though I do have to wonder at pere trying to instigate an argument again that was talked out last night. The trollish language and goading makes no sense from town at all.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

This. Is. Not. Town.

If. You, Can't. Handle. Being. Asked. Questions. Maybe. Mafia. Is. Not. The. Game. For. You.

You've. Been. Playing. Two. Years.

You. Can. Play.

Seems. Like. Maybe. Being. Scum. Is. What's. Bothering. You.

You know what? You're not worth the time for my response.

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Pa and I are tales of xillia

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I'm pretty damn town though and was from the start? You say you KNEW I was scum all along but then in an earlier post you say that us misreading each other is a scum claim.

Are you sure you want to stand by me being scum?

Thank you for the compliment on my scum game. I don't think it's spectacular at all, but I appreciate it. But, if you have paid attention to my scum game, you should see that when I'm at my best I'm actually trying to get town cred. A scum me would have loved to keep Mastin around. A scum me would have had a solid read on that. You only have to look at Red Wedding to see how a scum me championed Metal Sonic against my partner Generic. The noise was delicious, I took a side, and tried to get my partner lynched in the process because I would have had metal sonic on my side and would have looked good while doing it. That's how I treat noise and a volatile situation as scum. Maybe I wouldn't always bus my partner, but it would be easy to take a stand instead of waffle about the player for 200 fucking pages. And since town reads are what typically come easiest to me it wouldn't even be out of the ordinary for me to town read him. And I mean geeze how you can't see I was conflicted about his and rancid's alignment is just astounding.

I guess my issue was that we weren't on the same page. You were waffling on Mastin while I was certain. I think based on past experience, I expected you to have similar reads to me. Like in NY169, we were both scumreading MC Maraca even while we were wrong. In PYP, we were both scumreading KK, Iam, and GM, while townreading nearly everyone else. Some of the slight twinges of paranoia came from the fact that I thought we'd see the game similarly.

I mentioned before in this game how we weren't seeing it identically. So far, the only explanation I have for us not having similar reads is that my perspective is different. I formed townreads on my two neighborhood buddies and extrapolated from there. I pushed Mastin with complete confidence because Pie was also pushing him and everything he said struck me at a very relatable level. I pushed Mastin and RBD as hard as I did because I never once questioned BRO's alignment. When BRO pushed them, I took his word as the word of confirmed town. You didn't, and you questioned his alignment making you far more unsure of the pushes that BRO and Pie were making. That's part of the reason I didn't have absolute certainty that you were town like I did in PYP, NY169, and Z-mafia and also in the older games we played. I had different touchstones. You had Ffery. I had Pie, Desp, and BRO.

And yeah, I can see now why you would fluctuate on Mastin and Rancid. Rancid for whatever reason did not make it easy to townread them by being overly aggressive and hostile. Mastin, I just misread because his posts came across as manipulative which kinda sucks.

I don't know that two people can always see the game similarly. And in this game we're coming at the game from two different viewpoints. You're in a neighborhood getting reads on people in a way I can't see. That will influence how you view the game, and considering I've had suspicion on people in the neighborhood, I can't see where you're coming from sometimes. (As an aside, this feels so similar to Wingate Mansion, I couldn't even come close to getting on the same page with empire there either.)

I wasn't sure about Mastin or RBD. The only thing that really rubbed me the wrong way with RBD was Nati's interaction with me. Like I told muffin, I would have totally understood if Nati would have been using Red Wine as a game of reference for similarity for me, but he used Too Many Heads and I was confused. Also the bit about me flailing over a week after any frustration had died down just felt off. I did waffle about Mastin, but as I said I went back and reread Anything Goes where he was my partner, and I also read his game in NY172, and reread hpaptl as a lot of his game felt really similar to hpaptl. So, yeah, I wasn't sure. I did think that if Mastin was scum then RBD was too because I do believe about their ability to read her. One of my biggest issues in mafia though is if someone else, or several someone else's, seem very very sure about their read, I tend to doubt mine unless I have really strong reasons or feelings to believe it, and I know that Mastin can be convincing as scum when he wants to be. In the end, I just thought the end to the noise and getting that question answered was the best thing for town.

I'm not sure that we always see the game so similarly though. In z-mafia, you were strongly scum reading CTD while I was town reading him. I remember you saying that you would back off of CTD if I believed in him strongly as town. I, for instance, suspected red coyote and I should have been more vocal about that but Nacho had a meta town read there I wanted to believe in. I suspected Jason and that other guy bald eagle? but you didn't. And you weren't really completely certain of me being town that game either if I recall correctly. You had me as town but with some reservations.

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If you are town, and I still think you are, get your shit together and realize people are wrong sometimes. There is entirely too much of this mindset on MS as a whole. X can read me, so if they're wrong they're scum. It's stupid. Meta is nice and all and it's useful but you can't expect people to be perfect, there will always be a first time. (Yes, I'm aware I pushed the opposite of this in ASOIAF- both because that was part of where I learned this, and because I was scum) Besides, another post of yours (you mentioned Tammy never having voted for you, somewhere?) imply to me you've never been scum in a game with her? If that's the case then you've handed out this card entirely too prematurely. Even if you turn out to be right, I don't believe in this logic.

I saw him as scum in Attack on Titan. I spent the first half of day one defending him until it dawned on me that the game just made more sense if he was scum.

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As exciting as this is, and as much as I'd love my first and second scum read to be right, JSU's claim makes sense with what he said early today about having some reason to believe he's town.

I'm just having a hard time right now accepting a scum fake claim on day three when the game is going really well for them.

So, cupcake, claiming is in order.

pewit: although ugh ugh ugh in boardgames scum pretty much made a similar fake claim.

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this game just got weirder.

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If you were so convinced I was scum last night, why didn't you track me?

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Great.

Vote: Orcinus

This vote is a scumclaim.

We are lynching either me or Panda today.

You're doing it wrong. It's like this:

This. vote. is. a. scum claim.

>_>

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Yeah but do we really believe that scum have more than one role blocker anyway?

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Yeah but do we really believe that scum have more than one role blocker anyway?

Let's be serious here.

Both Beliffery/I got roleblocked. If there was a townblocker between the two, it was on me.

But a town role blocker already flipped? Do you think there's more than one town blocker?

If there were more than one town role blocker and a scum blocker or two, I'd expect there to be another anti-roleblocker out there or for there not to be the limitation to my role that I have.

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also my girlfriend is awesomr and randomly showed up at work and gave me her phone

i love that woman

*awe*

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Falcon - how did I become the towniest you've ever seen me?

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Well in the arena, LB said he was a role blocker and I think the persona thing was what makes it possible for him to come back?

It's just that, I had to choose before the game for who would be unblock able. If there's more than one town role blocker or more than one scum role blocker then I would think I either wouldn't have my limitation, i.e. be able to change my target, or there would be another of me.

And no one else has come forward as being a town role blocker and one would think you would if there was the question about multiple role blocks.

But, if there are limitations to how roles work, IDK, that's getting into setup spec far far far too above my mafia grade, so yeah IDK.

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AP IS OBV FUCKING SCUM

AND YOU GUYS EXPECT HIM TO GO DOWN QUIETLY?

There is an innocent result claimed on me. Yet you still want to lynch me first over the person claiming Im confirmed town.

Get wrecked scum.

While this is true, do you remember town!mollie in the Reckoning wanting to lynch UT even though I claimed an innocent on him?

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Um there's no problem with taking some time to think through what is going on.

Let's say you guys are town and katsuki is town, this game is fucked.

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AP IS OBV FUCKING SCUM

AND YOU GUYS EXPECT HIM TO GO DOWN QUIETLY?

There is an innocent result claimed on me. Yet you still want to lynch me first over the person claiming Im confirmed town.

Get wrecked scum.

While this is true, do you remember town!mollie in the Reckoning wanting to lynch UT even though I claimed an innocent on him?

?

He's saying he's scum for the thought process, but a very town mollie wanted to lynch UT after I weak neighbored him while at the same time thinking I was probably town. It's not unheard of that people make weird moves.

And in this situation, he has a role that says AP didn't do something he said he did. It's just not as clear cut here.

Do you really want to see the fallout if all three involved in this are town? I sure as hell don't. And I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this play coming from katsuki!scum right now.

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Tammy are you DENSE?

I got an innocent result on Stalin.

Panda is claiming that is impossible.

Unless you want to argue that they actually WERE roleblocked (in addition to the alreadyclaimed RG and Stalin blocks?) what the fuck?

I am 100% certain that Panda was either blocked or is lying and the former seems EXTREMELY unlikely

No, I'm not dense. Paranoid of you and JSU, yes.

If you've been reading what I have been saying, I'm finding it difficult to believe that both of the players last night were role blocked in the first place.

I'm just also trying to make sure that everything is thought through. If katsuki comes back town, how likely do you think it is that one of you escape being lynched tomorrow? And if you're town? We're fucked.

The lynch is going on cupcake and I'm not going to put up a fight about it, but don't fault me for trying to be careful and look at every angle. I don't take claims lightly and just easily lynch like that because it sometimes fucks over towns.

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I can't find any delayer on the wiki, so that's no help.

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I'm just also trying to make sure that everything is thought through. If katsuki comes back town, how likely do you think it is that one of you escape being lynched tomorrow? And if you're town? We're fucked.

Ok maybe Im biased because of ~reasons~, but this is one of those times that people are just goingto 2nd guess thmeselves on.

Maybe because this town has just no motivation after the RBD and mastin flips. Maybe because everybody wants to break the setup.

Maybe because everybody has their head so far up their own ass that they cant be fucked to reevaluate things to get their internal worldview in tune with reality (CF if he is actually town here).

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Propose a scenario for me that makes sense for Panda town then, assuming Stalin and I are both town.

Scum roleblocked Stalin. RG is lying about being roleblocked maybe?? Katsuki was redirected?

IF ANYBODY BLOCKED OR REDIRECTED CUPCAKE LAST NIGHT, CLAIM IT IN YOUR NEXT POST

I'm probably one of the easiest reevaluating players on this site. Probably a product of being the leader of waffleville!

I am also annoyingly cautious about claims. Town fake claim, scum fake claim, there's interference, people make mistakes with assumptions, etc. I will work through in my head all the possibilities first.

I remember Bro saying that if you and he are on a team together that you're practically unstoppable. It's no secret I've been suspicious of both of you on and off during this game. Bro's entrance into today did seem like he got a result on you; he laid it rather low and it was kinda subtle but you picked up on that maybe they were buddying you. I can see you guys planning something like that but I'm not so sure how much I buy it. However, in a recent game scum "enhanced" their role by saying that it also had a cop element, so that part makes me wary. However, if they're scum enhancing their role then you're still town and telling the truth.

You guys could be a team. You guys could both be town. Maybe this is katsuki scum fake claiming but it goes against what I've experienced with katsuki as scum. I suppose he could be making an egregious misstep by thinking a player was more lynchable than he is, but I'm not certain I buy that.

I could go on with the various angles that I've been running through since this started but nobody probably actually wants insight into how much mental whiplash I give myself while trying to figure these things out. What it boils down to is that I'm stupidly cautious about claims.

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Mac, who was Ricardo Soldato, Town Paranoid Bodyguard*, was Killed Night 1
*A Paranoid Bodyguard also acts as a modified rolestop

@ Tammy, is this similar to your role? The modified rolestop part?

Here's the wiki link for rolestopper: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Rolestopper

@ Stalin, yeah if they all work. I guess we don't have the full picture yet.

No the target I choose can't be role blocked. So, if Nacho were to take an action and someone tried to role block him, the role block would fail and he'd still be able to action.

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maybe JSU is also scum just bussing

Errr. Going after Panda-town.

Actually I thought of both scenarios!

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I remember Bro saying that if you and he are on a team together that you're practically unstoppable. It's no secret I've been suspicious of both of you on and off during this game. Bro's entrance into today did seem like he got a result on you; he laid it rather low and it was kinda subtle but you picked up on that maybe they were buddying you. I can see you guys planning something like that but I'm not so sure how much I buy it. However, in a recent game scum "enhanced" their role by saying that it also had a cop element, so that part makes me wary. However, if they're scum enhancing their role then you're still town and telling the truth.

Occam's razor. Do you honestly think BROseidon-scum decided off the cuff INSTANTANEOUSLY to go for broke and defend me from a guilty claim?

So panda gets lynched today and flips town. And BROseidon and I just got ourselves chain-lynched because he couldnt keep it in his pants?

I dont get how you think that is remotely possible.

Dont get me wrong, BRO could be a Mafia Tracker or something like that. Not saying its likely or probable and dont particuarly care to figure it out right now. But Katsuki is scum.

The only way I can see Katsuki being town is if the scumteam is RG is lying about being blocked and maybe JSU is also scum just bussing, i really dont know.

Hey, I said I don't know how much I buy that scenario where the two of you are partnered, but you can't fault me for thinking through every possibility.

I've already said that cupcake is most likely going to be the lynch today, but I'm not going to join it or help until I think it makes the most sense.

I get you think that everyone should just wagon ho, but do you remember Anything Goes? Remember how tentative you approached BBMolla and our situation? So, give me some of the same understanding you probably wanted people to have for you there when things just didn't add up.

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The only way I can see Katsuki being town is if the scumteam is RG is lying about being blocked and maybe JSU is also scum just bussing, i really dont know.

Or if he doesn't understand how his role works.

Hmm...I need to think about this but I've got to go back to work.

The way I see it a delayer is the opposite of a motivator. I was a motivator once and the people I targeted didn't get motivated until the following night. They didn't even find out that they had been motivated until the next night phase. But, I've also seen motivators that resolve instantly.

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The only way I can see Katsuki being town is if the scumteam is RG is lying about being blocked and maybe JSU is also scum just bussing, i really dont know.

Or if he doesn't understand how his role works.

Hmm...I need to think about this but I've got to go back to work.

The way I see it a delayer is the opposite of a motivator. I was a motivator once and the people I targeted didn't get motivated until the following night. They didn't even find out that they had been motivated until the next night phase. But, I've also seen motivators that resolve instantly.

It bugs me that I was the first to mention this possibility given I was at the fucking grocery store when the counterclaim/counter-counterclaim went down.

Oh did you already say that? You saying that he might not understand how his role worked reminded me of the time I was a motivator. I remember asking in thread the next day if my target got something or the other and he didn't know what I was talking about. I figured I'd been blocked at first until I clarified my role, and my crumb was picked up on after I'd been nightkilled and used to prove that scum made an action that made him look town. I was not happy with myself.

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I get you think that everyone should just wagon ho, but do you remember Anything Goes? Remember how tentative you approached BBMolla and our situation? So, give me some of the same understanding you probably wanted people to have for you there when things just didn't add up.

How did AP and I handle that tentatively? We wanted to lynch the not-cop, and had you as confscum from his claim (which didn't change after he flipped Usurper, although me not considering the Usurper option was a bad technical mistake on my part).

You definitely didn't just jump in lynch bbmolla and were trying to work out the situation. Including suggesting he was a possible jester, etc.

I got to go back to work though, so I'll be back later.

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In order for AP to be the liar and DesBRO not additionally be a liar, AP needs to have orc's role from Vesperia (universal godfather) that not only decides what he gives results back as, but also who he targeted (and also have the foresight to say that he targeted Stalin, despite scum almost certainly blocking Stalin instead of just claiming an investigate on someone else). Do I think this is the case?

No. Not at all.

Nacho, this actually seems plausible. Why are you discounting it? If AP wanted anyone investigating him to think that he visited Stalin, of course he would make his role give back results as him targeting Stalin and then he'll claim it in the thread. Not sure what to make of scum blocking Stalin though.

Also, on night 1, I learned that "

AP did not do anything.

" Not sure how relevant this is but I thought I'd out.

Whoa wait a second.

How does AP not doing anything connect to Bork's reaction when AP said his action failed?

If Nacho is an ascetic like we've assumed, his action would fail, but AP would still have visited him. Right? Or am I high or stupid or just plain tired?

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Falcon - Penguin's not hedging on her town read of Bro though. She pretty much keeps reemphasizing reasons why he's town including his reaction to her town reading him. She thinks scum him would have capitalized on it while his kind of paranoid reaction leans town.

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In order for AP to be the liar and DesBRO not additionally be a liar, AP needs to have orc's role from Vesperia (universal godfather) that not only decides what he gives results back as, but also who he targeted (and also have the foresight to say that he targeted Stalin, despite scum almost certainly blocking Stalin instead of just claiming an investigate on someone else). Do I think this is the case?

No. Not at all.

Nacho, this actually seems plausible. Why are you discounting it? If AP wanted anyone investigating him to think that he visited Stalin, of course he would make his role give back results as him targeting Stalin and then he'll claim it in the thread. Not sure what to make of scum blocking Stalin though.

Also, on night 1, I learned that "

AP did not do anything.

" Not sure how relevant this is but I thought I'd out.

Oh but I don't know that cabd would use that role as it was again. I'd have to check the dead thread but I'm pretty sure I remember him saying that it should have been a bit nerfed.

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Summary of the last thirty pages:

Tammy: falcons scum!
Fallcon: no you
Tammy: no you
Falcon how dare you?
Tammy how dare you!
Falcon: ommygodiknewit
Tammy: maybe you're not
Falcon: you're not either
*hugs* d'awwwwwwww

Ap: ffery is confirmed town!
Katsuki: oh no you didn't I delayed you!
Bro: oh no you didn't I tracked ap to ffery!
Scum claims all around yippee yahoo

Falcon: ap didn't go anywhere night one
Ap: yeah my action failed dude makes sense.

Voila you're caught up!

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Falcon - Penguin's not hedging on her town read of Bro though. She pretty much keeps reemphasizing reasons why he's town including his reaction to her town reading him. She thinks scum him would have capitalized on it while his kind of paranoid reaction leans town.

Okay, just to be clear, Clyton claimed something other than watcher in the neighborhood, right?

Because that was part of the reason I got it into my head that Penguin is for sure scum because Nacho's commuter role, Mastin's bulletproof, Penguin's watcher role, and Mac's bodyguard felt like way too many townies the scum can't kill. But I was thinking about Stalin saying that they may not work on everyone which negates a lot of their power.

I am still not sure how the game makes any sense if Penguin is town. Assuming AP and BRO-Desp are also town, and Cupcake is scum. PV is confirmed as vig, and if he shoots again, that's pretty much a town confirmation as I doubt scum would have more than one extra kill. In any case, the janitoring seems like a good way to nerf the vig and his target made sense from a town POV. Also, I am assuming Breakfast is town. That leaves three more scum among RG, Fox, Magenta, and Nacho. I'm not entirely sure if the game makes sense that way. Sure, Nacho could be bussing Orc, and Cupcake is scum with them leaving the last scum to be Fox/RG. That is not entirely implausible actually.

How would penguin being a watcher be someone scum can't kill?

Yes, she claimed her role to me, and part of it is confirmed to me.

I don't really want to talk about it anymore than that right now.

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The thing that pisses me off most about this day is that I can see AP gloating over getting me lynched despite a guilty.

Fuck after what I did to you and bro you guys enjoy it because its not gonna last.

What do you think about bro claiming to have tracked ap to ffery?

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Ok so this is whats bothering me.

CF is claiming shit that I have no idea is fake or true about my N1 actions. Tammy is going "oooh shiny I wonder if this means something" when it really does not.
CF is creating a sideshow about Penguin_Alien who looks REALLY PRETTY TOWN and he is not really working towards the multiple claims that just came pouring out that need to be resolved Today. Instead I get some hedgy "Well there COULD be some godlike bullshit in the game that AP might be and might have played 100% perfectly to match with everyone's role results, including my own"

Magenta apparently hasn't read a singular post from Today.

Stalin is Stallin' which is pretty par for the course.

REMINDER: KATSUKI CLAIMED I LIED ABOUT MY ROLE. THAT IS A GUILTY.
I AM CONFIRMED TOWN AND BOTH OF MY NIGHT ACTIONS HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

..but but I like shiny things

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How would penguin being a watcher be someone scum can't kill?

Yes, she claimed her role to me, and part of it is confirmed to me.

I don't really want to talk about it anymore than that right now.

No, I mean whoever she watches is a player that scum can't kill (analogous to a doc).

Oh then yeeeaaahhh she's a watcher who watches all of xillia every night, so scum can't kill us now!

But seriously, no. She's not a *watcher*

But it's her role and her place to talk about what she will.

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despbro is tracker, and thus saw AP take the action, however Panda's delayer role gives AP the result the day after, instead day of. I think it's possible that AP is faking the results while still being truthful about who he targeted

He's saying he's a tracker who gets no result on replicas though and is confirming ap as town.

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despbro is tracker, and thus saw AP take the action, however Panda's delayer role gives AP the result the day after, instead day of. I think it's possible that AP is faking the results while still being truthful about who he targeted

He's saying he's a tracker who gets no result on replicas though and is confirming ap as town.

But it is still possible he is a GF type role that appears as "not a replica" to all cops just like I as a miller appear as a replica to all cops. And then if tracked, he chooses who he supposedly visited.

But then in order for him to know his night one action should fail, he'd have to be scum with nacho.

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Good point.

Pedit to ffery/beli sorry keep leaving you out.

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But then in order for him to know his night one action should fail, he'd have to be scum with nacho.

He probably is but putting that aside for the sake of hypotheticals: Maybe he also has a visiting role and he figured out that they are a commuter? Or one of his scumbuddies did? It actually makes sense that he would want to give a no result because it lessens the number of "confirmations" that he has to do.

Could he actually be town though? He spent the entire game trying to find new and interesting ways to paint me as scum and ignoring what's incredibly obvious. That, and Mastin was near 100% sure about it.

A godfather rolecop maybe? That still doesn't account for des tracking him there if katsukis telling the truth.

I'm kinda concerned about nacho busing katsuki too, but that's slight and I don't really believe it. I'm equally concerned that nacho is looking reasonable about this and it concerns me that he didn't actually vote mastin yesterday all while proclaiming him SCUM!!!

Pedit: a godfather roleblocker?

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But then in order for him to know his night one action should fail, he'd have to be scum with nacho.

He probably is but putting that aside for the sake of hypotheticals: Maybe he also has a visiting role and he figured out that they are a commuter? Or one of his scumbuddies did? It actually makes sense that he would want to give a no result because it lessens the number of "confirmations" that he has to do.

Could he actually be town though? He spent the entire game trying to find new and interesting ways to paint me as scum and ignoring what's incredibly obvious. That, and Mastin was near 100% sure about it.

Could ap be town though based on his treatment of you?

Idk. Can des/bro be town while coming up with crap reasons I'm scum? Can pere be town after his interactions with me and the crap reasons I'm scum? IDK

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AP - how come you didn't include CF in your list of investigations?

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WHY THE FUCK WOULD THERE BE A ROLE THAT'S STRONGER THAN COP ANYWAYS?! THINK ABOUT IT, IT ESSENTIALLY GIVES ALIGNMENT RESULT + ROLE CONFIRMATION OF TOWNIES
Actually the entire claim just seems wack.

While this is true, the way BRO-Desp acted in the neighborhood indicated they have an awesome role for all these reasons:

1) D1, they lurked. Then they voted Rancid and lurked some more. I asked them why and they said it is because they wanted Rancid to gladiate them and didn't want to be active and obvtown so that Rancid chooses someone else. I took this to mean that they had a confirmable or an overall awesome role. This was way back early D1.

2) D2, I asked Desp why he wouldn't just talk about his suspicions in thread and he responded by saying that he is amused at all the ways scum are trying to set them up and doesn't care to be transparent in thread. The way he said it felt like he had no fear at all about being set up and that he could claim and talk his way out of anything.

This also can point to a very good fake claim.

Like FFS des is literally using the "I'm gonna act like scum and that's mah special reaction test". Like he's a fucking better player than that. If you act like fucking scum, town are going to think you're fucking scum.

If des is town and literally said that in the neighborhood my respect for his town game has plummeted yo the bottom of the fucking barrel.

It's not even a confirmable role. Gods fuck this game is pissing me off.

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Also also des shouldn't be surprised I suspect him with the way he's playing this game. Not after charmed and the reckoning.

Oh I don't need to act town, step off with that bs.

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I'm pretty sure I wasn't the night one kill.

I think that Mac would be far far more likely to protect Stalin or Kagura or even RBD over me.

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Arthur had DV/Ceph as scum on day one due to his buddying of me. They're someone I wanted to reread as day one when I started to think that rancid and mastin were town, I thought that scum were town reading me. DV usually scum reads me when he's scum or throws up fake paranoia, but they seem a little too sure that I'm town.

Hi, I'm Cephrir, and this figuratively happens to me every single game. If it's any consolation I'm down to a mere ~95% at this point!

I don't understand this sentence.

I don't even know if I buy Falcon as scum. I just don't want to believe as scum he'd basically tell me knowing that I'm town that I've sucked this game, am deluded and can do better. I just don't think he'd go there. I just think that if he was scum, he'd know that when I say I'm lost I really mean that, and that he'd try to manipulate me in another way.

That doesn't seem particularly... anything?

Maybe not to you but it does to me. Falcon doesn't like being scum and though he'll definitely be aggressive when scum, I'm just not sure he'd say some of that. Falcon and I work well together in games and like playing together. And anyone who's played with me more than once knows that I'm rather sensitive at times, and have been especially so lately as I'm really needing a mafia break or to just be in one game or something right now and I've been pretty open about that. Not only that but anyone who has played town games with me knows that I put a lot of thought in games. Everything that I'm thinking doesn't even get posted in the thread but there's a lot that goes on away from the thread in terms of trying to figure the game out. So, a scum him would know all this and I'm just not sure a scum him would say that to me. He might mock me for waffling too much like he did Mina in Wicked, but I'm not even sure he'd do that considering it's so much of my play style and he's familiar with that. He might tell me I'm deluded for reading him as scum. He might even push me due to a perceived weakness he can exploit, but I'm just not sure he goes out of his way to say things to a town me that would cut a bit. Him thinking I'm scum and lashing out at me, I can see that, but him being scum I just think that he'd go about it differently.

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Ffery, how does your read on AP change after seeing Mastin flip?

On D2, you had Mastin and AP as scumreads. Did you think they were scum together? I am assuming you didn't considering you said your mind was blown when I accused them of being scum together.

Oddly, despite my scumteam guess, I came away with more certainty on AP scum after seeing Mastin and Rancid flip town because it felt like they were town that legitimately had a scumread on AP and wanted him dead pretty badly.

I thought I was coming into day 3 with AP at the top of my willing to lynch list.

I felt like his relief at having OMG RESULTS was palplable at the start of the day. I recently played a game where I had this incredibly awesome role and between being JK'd by town trying to protect me, RB'd by scum and basically ordered by the rest of town to target the player who died on n4 I would up with NOTHING from the previous 4 nights to back up my role claim by the time we hit day 5. I think that primed me to read relief in those posts. Whether it's really there or not.

We never expected to die over the IC, especially when we were up for a mislynch

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Falcon - Did you let the neighborhood know about ffery's track night one and where it came from?

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Katsuki - can you explain what you meant when you said that certain roles would't go through with your delayer?

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Falcon - Here's DV's iso in Gundam Seed

I thought the way he went after majiffy was pretty strong. It didn't have the flair, but it had a bit of certainty.

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He clearly did not protect RBD. If he targeted Kagura it would have failed.
Im pretty sure a ROLESTOPPER BODYGUARD would 9/10 times target the COP. I mean. am I the only one thinking about this? I was probably shot on N1. I wasnt on most people's shortlists until D2 for w/e reason.

Why would the Kagura target have failed?

You are a cop whose results are dictated by scum. Unless you select 3 scum names, you'll never catch them.

Why would the Kagura target have failed?

You are a cop whose results are dictated by scum. Unless you select 3 scum names, you'll never catch them.

Yes, I'm fully aware of that. When I got my PM on D1 I figured that would be amazing but never going to happen.

I targeted Kagura on Night 1 and my role failed.

And I am now confirmed to have not visited anyone on Night 1. Bork claimed some crap about my failure being consistent with his view on the game state.

And as I said before, the specific wording that Cabd gave me on N1 suggested to me that I was not specifically roleblocked, rather, failed for ~reasons~ which makes me think they are ascetic or something.

They can't be. Tammy gave them anti-roleblockable powers. If she can target them then why can't you?

I targetted them before the game started. It wasn't a night action. I had to attach myself to someone in my confirmation email.

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So, I'm going to do something I haven't done since mafia.raptured. It's one of those rare sittings of a Tammy read list! Though I'm not sure it's actually a reads list it's mostly going to be just rambling about what I think in an attempt to put some order to my disorganized mind.

There will be no tl;dr...you will not be able to plug in, turn on, and cop out...

Bellifery - is still my one and only town read. Even if ap comes back scum, I think this is the one read I won't get paranoid on. Well okay I probably will, but I'll fight it. I need something to trust. This will be what I trust. They're part of claim dream state.

They can skip out for beer on commercials...

Carbon fiber - I really really really want to believe he's town. There re some blips here and there that make me worried and I'd love to have a better read here. You didn't need to apologize again falcon by the way, I wasn't trying to make you feel bad. I know I'm not having a great game; this is absolutely my town game but having am overall lack of reads that I feel good about and feeling lost in general is a game that isn't great. I just think you as scum wouldn't try to make me feel bad for being as lost as I am when a different avenue would probably be more productive. I think. The overall engagement he's put in the game would be surprising from him scum, but I do worry sometimes. He hasn't really used meta much for his reads, but I know he can do that as scum, so. *some* of his meta reasoning for reads on me doesn't feel right! and that niggles.

Magenta - I still like the way orci interacted with me day one. It had nothing of the feel of the way he interacted with me as scum in vesperia. Granted he could be changing up his scum techniques from that game like he did for others in that game, but I had some strong really valid reasons for him being scum in that game although this whole tempo of this game is different so. I *suppose* he could have voted me to provoke a reaction and when he didn't get one and after I said I thought he was town from vibes decided to drop it! but idk. Also I *do* like the way that he handled cage fight. I liked his interaction with me and he clearly thought he was going to be able to talk. Not exactly sure what to think about Maria's recent posts and having me as town though I'd really like to take her orci has you as town and I'd like to learn the markers for why I misread you thing at face value. Paranoia concerning a bussing nacho to make the self-govern thing and make them look town still skitters.

AP - I'd love to believe he's town. I really like how collaborative he's been, but I have no idea how to read AP. I really haven't played with him much, but he doesn't feel like hpaptl where he was scum, but he also doesn't feel like anything goes, but tbf I was scum in anything goes and barely read the game, so yeah. But I'd also like my original scum read on this slot to be right just so I won't feel like a total mess here. Potential godfather? Still working out the possibilities for the claims though, my current dream state is working out how many roles seem to give potential clears and whether everything makes sense. Don't yell at me about this...you will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip.

Gods this is tedious, no wonder I don't do this often.

Peregrine - claimed VIG whatever. If I squint sometimes I can see him asking questions trying to solve the game but he looks more like he's trying to make an already prickly game state even more prickly which I don't associate with him as town at all. My lack of respect for his play in recent games could be coloring this and he certainly started useless conversations in a previous game where it looked like he was trying to look busy not understanding the obvious as town, but who knows. I don't think he looks town though. But I do like my potential town tell, but that could be dumb yeah.

JSU - if they are scum I'm going to be so fucking smug about this. Their role claim bugs me. Their behavior bugs me. That shit about not looking transparent in thread to catch scum setting them is such 14 year old VI bullshit I want to pummel something. Desperados play in this game so much matches his play in charmed and the reckoning more so than red wedding or we the purple, that of anyone he should be understanding of bring suspicious of him, it's me considering in both those games I gave a scum him a pass. The people are setting me up for a mastin town flip, when who does that anyway, is twitch inducing especially since he accused ffery who declared them town without a doubt. What else did I want to say? I HAD MORE. Oh I hated the way des attacked ffery yesterday, it just felt so slimy, the whole give me a scum read from all those ends was just atrocious. Maybe it was because it was a bad attack on the only person I think is town, and am buddying at this point!, but it just felt so off. But they're part of my claim dream state I'm rolling in so more on this later maybe.

PA - lean town here. She feels unfiltered in the neighborhood, but I've been a bad neighbor the past couple days so I need to fix that to firm up this read. She's also part of claim dream state. I will say that if penguin is scum, she is scum with someone who knows me and gave Clyton advice for how to manipulate me. The role usage makes sense from a town perspective and part of it is confirmed to me, dream state is toying with how I can use that part in the most effective way. Anyway, I hope to have this firmed up a bit. Did I already say I'm a bad neighbor? I have some catching up in there to do.

RG - had them as town early on due to a strong start from notscience and early good posting by Brian. I need to revisit this read. Brian does those uber long quote stripe things that makes it really hard for me to read and get a read on someone.

Bleh this is now super boring. Is anyone reading? Are you going yeah yeah Tammy you don't know about anything we already got that didn't need a wall explaining it?

Fox and hound - need to revisit this. I liked their early play. I like being called town. I like being someone's strong town read! Can you tell I'm self absorbed? I don't want to scum read them for it, but I don't want them in my blind spot either.

Nacho - scum. Town. Scum. Town. Scum. Town. Scum. Town. Scum. Town. Pretty much sums it up. I liked some of his self meta about the hydra. I liked something else too. I have it in the neighborhood, I'll have to find it. Oh I liked borks interactions with and about mastin. I didn't like nachos turn around being super sure on mastin and not voting. He exists in claim dream state. Scum. Town. Scum. Town. Scum. Town.

Is the anyone else?

Oh the cupcake - I'm still having a hard time seeing scum katsuki fake claim that :/. Claim dream state, maybe more later.

This reads list will not be televised. Or read by probably anybody or should really. It didn't actually help :/

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What is "claim dream state"?

It's the space in my brain that rolls through the claims and sees if all makes sense from town. It's partly a subconscious effort that occasionally hits a spark while cooking dinner or swimming.

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JSU - if they are scum I'm going to be so fucking smug about this. Their role claim bugs me. Their behavior bugs me.

That shit about not looking transparent in thread to catch scum

setting them is such 14 year old VI bullshit I want to pummel something.

Desperados play in this game so much matches his play in charmed and the reckoning more so than red wedding or we the purple, that of anyone he should be understanding of bring suspicious of him, it's me considering in both those games I gave a scum him a pass.

The people are setting me up for a mastin town flip, when who does that anyway, is twitch inducing especially since he accused ffery who declared them town without a doubt. What else did I want to say? I HAD MORE.

Oh I hated the way des attacked ffery yesterday, it just felt so slimy, the whole give me a scum read from all those ends was just atrocious.

Maybe it was because it was a bad attack on the only person I think is town, and am buddying at this point!, but it just felt so off. But they're part of my claim dream state I'm rolling in so more on this later maybe.

i've never said the bold and i was annoyed when you chastized me for it the first time but seriously, if you're going to yell at someone for not reading posts you should get your glass walls replaced.

as for the italics, it's my fault you can't read me worth shit? you put me up for eviction three times in big brother and pushed me pretty hard in we the purple, iirc. we were opposite alignments in all of our other games. perhaps you just don't have the first fucking clue about what i would or wouldn't do as scum?

and finally the underlined, you mean these posts?

That's never been the pattern in the first place. If someone is reading me wrong, then I question their other reads and their understanding of the gamestate. If Mastin is town, then her understanding of the game state is warped by her misreading me.

this is pretty dumb considering townies have misread townies in every game of mafia ever

also you are seriously overrating how influential the neighborhood is and how much content it's robbing from the actual game thread. the vast majority of f-16's posting there has made its way here, either verbatim or spread throughout several posts.

uh???

all i want is one name, ffery. one scumread.

also in case it wasn't clear, the uh???? was in reference to you not wanting to intereact with mastin at all this day phase while simultaneously believing that sorting mastin is the key to unlocking the gamestate fypov

pedit: "i will vote mastin at deadline" isnt a fucking scumread, are you serious?

you voted me ap and orcinus at deadline d1 and last i checked you think we're all town now so...no

i stand behind every single point i made in that sequence.

The bold comes from what falcon said you said in the neighborhood. If you didn't mean that perhaps you could have talked to me about it? Oh but no that would be too fuvking hard.

You don't get to yell at me for not knowing how to read you or knowing what you would or wouldn't do as scum while accusing me of setting you up for a mastin town lynch, trying to convince your neighborhood I'm scum when I'm town, and voting me at the start of the day.

At least I said I was going to approach you with an open mind, but listening to someone else's town read and thinking maybe I'm wrong there is apparently also offensive.

(PS: I had you as town in big brother.)

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I asked Desp why he wouldn't just talk about his suspicions in thread and he responded by saying that he is amused at all the ways scum are trying to set them up and doesn't care to be transparent in thread. The way he said it felt like he had no fear at all about being set up and that he could claim and talk his way out of anything.

In Too Many Heads, when Desp and I hydra'd and we were cop, Desp told me several times I was being too obvtown and intentionally played scummy in thread in order to bring chances of us being immediately killed down.

Doing it to avoid a nightkill when you're rolled is one thing. Doing it thinking you're catching scum for thinking you look scummy when you do is another.

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I accused you of being scum for your and AP's hydra discussions in thread

How is this at all a scumtell by any stretch of the imagination?

PIRATE SPEAK IS SCUMMY!!!

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Um falcon already said why.

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I don't get how you don't understand I've thought you were scum manipulating the game from the neighborhood this entire game.

I wasn't setting anyone up. I think it's been uber clear I've been paranoid of your neighborhood. I've been worried someone in there is scum manipulating the neighborhood and thus the game.


You're acting like I can't have suspects.

And yeah when someone says he says he's amused at the way scum is trying to set him up and doesn't care to be transparent in thread, that's what it says to me. If I misinterpreted, it would have been super easy, when you got annoyed, to go hey Tammy you misinterpreted that, maybe falcon could have too, but no one did.

And quite frankly when I already suspect you and am worried you're the one manipulating the neighborhood and I hear you're saying someone else is setting you up for a town flip, who fuvking does that?, you don't think it's likely I'm going to think the person I already suspect of manipulating the neighborhood is pushing a town lynch and is using the neighborhood to set up the next one through that?

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Doing it to avoid a nightkill when you're rolled is one thing. Doing it thinking you're catching scum for thinking you look scummy when you do is another.

guess it's a good thing i was doing that first thing and not that second thing then!

Guess it was awesome you cleared it up when I first misinterpreted it.

Oh wait.

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Doing it to avoid a nightkill when you're rolled is one thing. Doing it thinking you're catching scum for thinking you look scummy when you do is another.

guess it's a good thing i was doing that first thing and not that second thing then!

No Desp, keep letting Tammy conflate our play styles into an amalgamation that makes 0 sense, because it amuses me.

It also shouldn't be hard to tell us apart, but people can't tell me/AP apart based on writing style so...

I *can* tell you apart when I want to.

Addressing you as a hydra is just easier.

I know it's you who voted me. I know it's you who's up in arms that I dare listen to penguins pretty reasonable reasons for you bring town. I know it's des I was talking to today.

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And yeah when someone says he says he's amused at the way scum is trying to set him up and doesn't care to be transparent in thread, that's what it says to me. If I misinterpreted, it would have been super easy, when you got annoyed, to go hey Tammy you misinterpreted that, maybe falcon could have too, but no one did.And quite frankly when I already suspect you and am worried you're the one manipulating the neighborhood and I hear you're saying someone else is setting you up for a town flip, who fuvking does that?, you don't think it's likely I'm going to think the person I already suspect of manipulating the neighborhood is pushing a town lynch and is using the neighborhood to set up the next one through that?

i just did, the 2nd time you made the mistake.

if you're so familiar with my scum game i literally have no idea why you're so gung ho about me being the one manipulating the neighborhood. for one thing, both of the games you are using as reference we me lurking like a fucking boss all game, and now you're using those games as evidence for how i'm masterminding a neighborhood with nacho, falcon, and piegif in it???

get real

I'm not really familiar with your scum game or maybe I wouldn't give you a pass when you're scum. Though in charmed I town read your brother for sounding nothing like too many heads. And I did come around to a scum read on you in the reckoning, but I had you as town in asoiaf.

I do thi bro is capable of manipulating a game/neighborhood.

Also, my point is after two wait three games where you were scum and I had you as town at certain points, and then you're in here behaving very similarly to your scum games, and saying you're behaving that way in the neighborhood, why wouldn't you recognize why I would be suspicious of you? Why is it oh she's setting me up? Why isn't it oh I'm behaving similarly to my scum game she's probably picking up those vibes?

Because you can't have it both ways. You either aren't being transparent and then can understand why I'd be concerned or you are being transparent and I'm the jerk who can't read you.

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Also, my point is after two wait three games where you were scum and I had you as town at certain points, and then you're in here behaving very similarly to your scum games, and saying you're behaving that way in the neighborhood, why wouldn't you recognize why I would be suspicious of you? Why is it oh she's setting me up? Why isn't it oh I'm behaving similarly to my scum game she's probably picking up those vibes?

because i had my head stuck in the sand

Bah this sounds town

Maybe I did too.

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I think it's stupid to go "oh, Katsuki wouldn't fakeclaim like this" when you have DesBro OR AP needing to be liars in order to call Katsuki town and one of those possibilities is out of play due to being extremely town and the other possibility is out of play because of a clear (that's not just a cop clear or a no result = town) and having night actions corroborated by two separate people on two separate occasions.

I'm not stupid

Just extra cautious.

And a little crazy.

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@ Tammy, still want to hear what those niggles on your meta are about.

Oh I don't want to tell you.

>_<

>_>

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You got the tonal things right though! And that there are things I wouldn't have said as scum!

@ Tammy, still want to hear what those niggles on your meta are about.

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Thoughts on Tammy's

disorganized rambling

awesome reads list:

Magenta - I still like the way orci interacted with me day one. It had nothing of the feel of the way he interacted with me as scum in vesperia. Granted he could be changing up his scum techniques from that game like he did for others in that game, but I had some strong really valid reasons for him being scum in that game although this whole tempo of this game is different so. I *suppose* he could have voted me to provoke a reaction and when he didn't get one and after I said I thought he was town from vibes decided to drop it! but idk. Also I *do* like the way that he handled cage fight. I liked his interaction with me and he clearly thought he was going to be able to talk. Not exactly sure what to think about Maria's recent posts and having me as town though I'd really like to take her orci has you as town and I'd like to learn the markers for why I misread you thing at face value. Paranoia concerning a bussing nacho to make the self-govern thing and make them look town still skitters.

I actually liked Mara's initial interaction with you and the whole "I want to work together" felt town and I think she would be inclined to avoid you as scum. I didn't like her initial asking me about my Clyton read and it felt like a really odd thing to push but the later accusing me for giving a summary to Penguin felt town and like she genuinely believed it. I am concerned about Nacho bussing as well since it seems like too much of a co-incidence that the D1 governor got lynched D1 but then Nacho would know that it would look fishy. I also didn't like Nacho's lack of follow up after being certain.

Why would you think she'd be inclined to ignore me as scum? She planned to push me do yo paranoia from previous games in vesperia.

How has AP been collaborative? He's funny which makes me think town but he's AP.

I've felt like he's been collaborative. He's asked me questions and talked to me in a way that sounded like he was trying to figure things out.

PA - lean town here. She feels unfiltered in the neighborhood, but I've been a bad neighbor the past couple days so I need to fix that to firm up this read. She's also part of claim dream state. I will say that if penguin is scum, she is scum with someone who knows me and gave Clyton advice for how to manipulate me. The role usage makes sense from a town perspective and part of it is confirmed to me, dream state is toying with how I can use that part in the most effective way. Anyway, I hope to have this firmed up a bit. Did I already say I'm a bad neighbor? I have some catching up in there to do.

I am really paranoid about the "unfiltered thoughts" and the pointing out things about me she doesn't like. Reminds me of how sure everyone was of Ghatokaca-town in Wicked based on the neighborhood. It feels like she is saying all these things in secret and the rest of us can't see what it is.

I need to revisit RG and The Fox and The Hound as well and I'll probably do that in a few days.

LOL. You sound like me with your neighborhood. Tbf a good portion of our talking was during the night. And she has out the thoughts that she's had in the thread. She hasn't hidden anything. She puts a lot of thought into the posts she posts in thread. She just sounds a bit spontaneous with her thoughts in the neighborhood. I like that.

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As in, the correct response when role information directly contradicts your reads isn't "oh, I guess my reads are right and lolcabdgame!"

But it seems so implausible that AP is acting the way he has been and is actually town.

That and Mastin's read. Unless AP is doing a mega-troll on us and thought "hey, let me play to my scum-meta to troll Mastin and also spend a ton of time accusing obvtown of being scum, that should be fun, fun, fun!"

"But it's a really strong read!"

But it is so unlikely Mastin was wrong.

Too Many Heads...?

Mastin was scum thee.

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@ Tammy, still want to hear what those niggles on your meta are about.

Oh I don't want to tell you.

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>_>

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You got the tonal things right though! And that there are things I wouldn't have said as scum!

@ Tammy, still want to hear what those niggles on your meta are about.

Well, I am going to find out on my own anyways. I may occasionally think a null-tell is alignment indicative but I am pretty quick to re-adjust. I know for sure that you can twitch at people as scum for instance. I wonder how long it will take for me to figure you out if you draw scum in a game where I am town. I am betting 25 posts.

I want you to find out on your own! It's more fun that way.

Probably fewer than that though!

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This is true. Maybe you could explain, like Stalin, why it in not in the Town's best interest for you to claim.

I can explain a few possibilities for our role.

1) Triggered Untargetable: Nonkilling roles target us, we become untargetable by any other actions.
2) Commuter (limited or full)
3) Ascetic
4) One-Shot Commuter, other goodies elsewhere

All of these mean that scum have to deal with our role differently. It's obviously useless for them to burn rolecop/roleblocker on me if I'm a full commuter or Ascetic, might be a consideration for a kill based on other goodies, etc. etc. etc.

Actually, it's useless for them to burn blocks on you because you are unblockable, right?

Right!

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He could be scum with Breakfast if she is the Messenger Godfather Rocleblocking Ninja. She could be faking everything, and he could be backing her up.

Do you think that's likely? Not possible, but likely?

What? Stalin is confirmed because I have a PM in my inbox saying they aren't a replica. Im confirmed because JSU was able to track me to stalin last night.

How does CF fit into this?

Stalin claimed to have sent Carbon a message with the results from your night1 action. You claimed you went no where. Stalin claimed to follow you, Carbon claims a message that says you went no where.

If Katsuki + Carbon are scum, why oh fucking why does Carbon confirm you did nothing night1?

Because if AP gets lynched and flips town, they're both toast?

Why would he lie?

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GO GO PARANOIA TWIN!

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Although Penguin think PV is town from her brief message to me today.

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Even if RG is scum they probably were actually roleblocked.

You think there's a second town roleblocker?

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I actually hadn't thought that because I've been discounting there being two town roleblockers.

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I'm officially banning the phrase "lolcabdgame".

LOLCABDGAME

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There's also the part where we don't know what a Persona-Roleblcoker is. Maybe he blocks people from having their persona (gender/age/origin)?

The persona part probably has to do with the coming back to life part.

That's what I thought too, but I looked back and it's actually the sealed part that has to do with coming back to life.

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Thank you for town telling Pidgeon!

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Which one was that?

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Okay so, I'm trying to make sense of the claims.

What we know for sure:

Tree stump bulletproof
Gladiator
Role stooping bodyguard
Roleblocker who can come back to life
JOAT - powers unknown
Self-governing duel master
Janitoring VIG
Anti-roleblocker
Miller neighborizer

What's left as claimed:

Cop who submits three names for scum to choose from
Even night tracker with cop aspects
Amnesiac follower
Delayer

Night two: Brian and bello ffery claim to be blocked.

Now here's part of my problem. Does anyone think there's just a little too many investigative roles claimed? Also Brian says his role failed, which would suggest that it's also investigative of some sort, but one would think he'd be a bit wary of the investigative claims if he was, but I'm not too sure that he's been around during claim fest so I'd have to check. Also we apparently two roles who are unable to die, well apparently mastin couldn't die who knows what limitations are on nacho.

Let's say all the investigative roles are town, then I'd expect scum to have some pretty strong powers. No one has come forward to be a roleblocker, so I refuse to believe there's another town one.

Hmmm I don't think I've come to any conclusions, but something doesn't feel right. I mean I hope that cupcake is scum, I really do, or this town is screwed. Penguin keeps insisting he has to be, but it's not something I feel great about. Maybe if I could trust more people besides bellifery I'd be more confident in this and feel calmer but I don't. And so help me if the one person I trust turns out to be scum I just don't know what I'll do.

Okay then.

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I don't mistrust you, I just have hesitations, probably paranoia based, that keep me from feeling solid.

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I'm not a consistent person. I work long hours, I get drunk a lot, I act pretty fucking crazy at times.

Hey! Stop impersonating me!

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notscience is back <3

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AP claimed a town read on ffery

Katsuki claimed to have delayed AP so he couldn't get that read

JSU claimed to be an even night tracker who only gets results on town and says he tracked AP to ffery.

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You said your role failed, so basically were blocked

ffery tried to follow katsuki but her role failed so was basically blocked

I don't think there are that many roleblockers out there.

Nor do I think there are that many investigative roles out there.

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*town investigative roles

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I'm also buzzed.

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LOLCABDGAME DRINKING GAME AHOY!!!

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Brian's been pretty uninspired though.

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TICK TOCK MARA

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Red Gary is scum.

BTW Ns Im confirmed town, suck it,

You're not confirmed town.

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I realize how frustrating it feels if you are town. It's the same way I felt in the Reckoning when Ythan kept saying we weren't confirmed town after we made a vig-shot and weak-neighborizer shto and we should have been to anyone, but the rational thing is you're not confirmed town, so.

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Ehh... later.. like, monday maybe. No computer at my disposal

also, I sobered the fuck up pretty fast, I am a little disapointed

This dies tomorrow.

[Titan]

You're not confirmed town.

yes he is

...no he's not and you aren't either. If you can't grasp my concept, go back to mafia school.

[Titan]

You're not confirmed town.

yes he is

...no he's not and you aren't either. If you can't grasp my concept, go back to mafia school.

like the day you die and flip town, he's most likely town, but still not *confirmed* town and this shouldn't be a fight you're fighting.

[Titan]

[Titan]

shouldn't be a fight you're fighting.

wtf. ewtf,. ;welrjkq;wlf.
asd.f\

If he is town.

he has a pm in his inbox confirming that Im town.

what.

I.

jhesus.

You go back to mafia school you fucki9ng hypocrite.

Why the fuck shouldnt he argue for me being town if HE KNOWS ITS 100% TRUE

Is this a true thing you're saying to me?

You are not confirmed town to US. He is not confirmed town to US.

Neither of you are dead and mod-confirmed flipped to US.

You *might* be confirmed town to *him* due to role pms. But that is not confirmed town to *us*

[Titan]

I mean like it's completely irrelevant apparently that I've been wondering if there's too many investigative roles and one is lying. I mean WOW

[Titan]

Is this a true thing you're saying to me?

You are not confirmed town to US. He is not confirmed town to US.

Ok fine. He is still allowed to argue about his role result on me then. Rather than being shutdown and told that it doesnt matter.

WTF. wtf. wtf. wtf.

No, he can say that you're confirmed town to HIM. That does not mean the rest of us can't question it and wonder if it makes sense.

Did you see my question about all the investigative roles making sense? If no, look back, what do you think?

[Titan]

What question about teeth?

[Titan]

NEITHER COP CAN ACTUALLY CATCH SCUM,

DIPSHITS

AWESOME OTHER MAFIA PLAYERS

HOLY CHRIST

SWEETHEARTS

[Titan]

Titan stop letting him bait you into creating more meaningless bickering please

All it's doing is getting you annoyed to try and hinder your judgment

pedit

Bro what is my alignment

pedit2-

How many teeth will it feel like are being drilled reading up in the thread

pedit3- ...

Oh um parts of it is like getting your wisdom teeth removed without novacaine?

[Titan]

and again, this is a discussion that is better suited for d6 when there are two mafia goons flipped and ap and us are still alive

falcon, why the fuck are you dithering about with this bullshit right now? it's baffling.

What do you want me to do? Hammer him? I am tempted just to see what happens next. Someone unvote just in case because sitting here with my finger on the trigger.

Didn't you yell at me at the start of day for this???

[Titan]

and again, this is a discussion that is better suited for d6 when there are two mafia goons flipped and ap and us are still alive

falcon, why the fuck are you dithering about with this bullshit right now? it's baffling.

What do you want me to do? Hammer him? I am tempted just to see what happens next. Someone unvote just in case because sitting here with my finger on the trigger.

Didn't you yell at me at the start of day for this???

Yeah, but you are you and I am me. I've decided against quickhammering though.

[Titan]

I'm just meaning you got after me for something I normally do, and then are saying you're thinking of quickhammering. It made me >_>

[Titan]

I guess it's because I wasn't aware of that aspect of your playstyle before you pointed it out to me. For whatever reason, I pegged you as an extremely cautious player who would use every second of the deadline clock. I think your play in Swagtown was what inspired Yabbaguy's MD article on whether using all the time till deadline was optimal.

LOL i probably had an effect in that game which made my waiting until deadline make sense to me because I mattered. it's pretty situational.

[Titan]

/nope

enjoy your win.

yipee yahhoooo

[Titan]

nope i don't but i'm figuring you're sudden turnaround means that you have this game in the bag for your team so congrats!

[Titan]

...and i got yelled at for hammering mastin for the same damn thing.

I'm just gonna go play some more bgo and OHM

[Titan]

but i've already questioned that and noone's listened because noone cares.

[Titan]

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[Titan]

Nothing is more adorable than my kitten.

[Titan]

FTR I envy how your life seems to revolve around alcohol and kittens, Tammy.

<3

[Titan]

I felt like there was something I wanted to say.

Oh but DV/Ceph, I wouldn't be surprised at Nacho being confident in a read on me even if he was wrong on Mastin? Nacho's probably in the top 5 people who *can* read me with confidence. Like he probably really doesn't need many posts to figure out my alignment, so.

[Titan]

Okay, Cabd's online. I am going to do it in 5 minutes.

Congrats scum team!

[Titan]

^ That was at Tammy.

DV, I'm fine with you hammering if you want. Tammy taking a stand against lynching Cupcake inspires me as well.

???

[Titan]

Actually Tammy, just assume I'm town for a moment. How picky should I be about the accuracy Nacho's read of me? Because I'm struggling with this a lot.

IDK i know that he likes to read you as town and has a blind spot. with me I've seen him catch me in a matter of a couple of posts and bring down the gauntlet; i've never seen that with you so I don't know.

[Titan]

Okay, Cabd's online. I am going to do it in 5 minutes.

Congrats scum team!

Gah, you are not trolling me like you did with Bert in Chosen Mafia, are you?

*Take a deep breath.*
*Tammy is town.*
*Ditch that paranoia.*
*Breathe out*

UM? I frustrated Bert into hammering the Chosen I was purposefully avoiding getting on the wagon of, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

[Titan]

^ That was at Tammy.

DV, I'm fine with you hammering if you want. Tammy taking a stand against lynching Cupcake inspires me as well.

???

I was asking where I ranked compared to Nacho at reading you.

As of this game, I have no clue now. You've gone from I think tammy could fool me to yeah tammy's obvtown to IDK to yeah she's my strongest town read to ohmigodiknewit she's scum scum cuz not obvtown.

Faraday reads me best. There are a couple people at Westeros who know some of my tells. Then comes Nacho and maybe you. So you're in the top ten? I guess? I have no clue the paranoia tower you went on me this game suggests not in the best handful though?

[Titan]

*sigh* I would just love it if once just once when a set of claims don't really point to obvscum and I try to slow it down people don't just forge ahead while ignoring me in the process.

Oh Tammy you so silly.

I did expect this game to be over though. I thought with the way yesterday went down and the annoying as fuck way that lynch happened, falcon looking at you, that scum had a way to end this game.

I pretty much feel like town is doomed here and were just gasping for breath waiting to be lead about either by scum or foolhardy town again. I don't even know how to parse through the mess.

My activity *might* be a bit less for the next few days. It's finals week.

In other news, I now suspect everyone.

[Titan]

Several scum roleblockers doesn't make sense, but maybe one that can target multiple targets?

LB might still be able to use his role from the great beyond?

Heading to work but IDK.

[Titan]

quick question:

JSU - All of day one and two you were arguing for an obviously town Cupcake Panda. Why did yesterday you immediately jump on the ohmygosh obvscum brigade and ditching your ohmygosh oh so town read and NOT account for any possibility that he could still be town and something went awry with the roles.

Or you know, me.

[Titan]

Falcon - Why were you advocating and practically goading DV into voting for a wagon you wanted to stay off of for moral/personal reasons? Especially if you didn't think cupcake was scum?

Moreover why haven't you been voting this game at all? I get that you are slow to vote, but I looked back at NY169 and you still voted there and argued for wagons. I realize with my voting record I'm the last person who should be asking this but it feels like you're overemphasizing your slowness to vote and your behavior.

[Titan]

Aslo JSU - Why did you vote me yesterday when you did? You voted me for saying that you can't start bragging about your reads until you are right about scum.

Was that an annoyance vote? Or an actual "I think you're scum vote?"

If it was an actual "I think you're scum vote" why did me commenting on the ludicrousness of you bragging about town reads while pushing incorrect scum reads make me scum?

Also if you could answer that question sans the ridiculous, you're setting me up for a Mastin town flip, that would be wonderful.