Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Mafia - Game Over

[pieguyn]

vote: DrDolittle

first person on the list is obvscum \:D/

[pieguyn]

Reasonless votes give no info, even a random reason can be analyzed.

very well, Sakura is town

I can't make any sense of what's going on at all = = this'll be a fun game...

I'm just saying that she doesn't handle pressure well as either alignment, and typically needs someone to be a stabilizing factor.

The good news, Sakura makes her towniness very apparent.

what's so bad about letting her be pressured? such a scenario can help give new information based on how she reacts, how people pressure her, etc. especially near start of D1. but you seem to want to stop it from happening 0.0

I qualified my statement by saying I only had her back if she was town. I never made any excuses for her or answered the questions addressed to her. Just saying that she is does have allies out there.

this doesn't make any sense. at the time when you're defending her, you don't know if she's town or not = =

I don't try to read him on Day 1 any longer (and if I do, there's some massive thing that he's done that's scummy, like a slip or a terrible claim or something)

does this imply he does something really scummy even if he's town?

why wouldnt you let her explain herself and let other people come to a conclusion on her alignment before you start promising her protection? she hasnt even had a chance to respond and youre already saying that shes gonna act frizzled and shit it just doesnt make senseo 2 me. sure if you think shes town let us know, but throwing out a carte blanche "natty gotcha back girl" is pretty ???

why do you think at least 1 out of 3 of the people doing a reasonless vote are scum? acknowledging that you think 2 of them may be town implies a reasonless vote is something that both town and scum can do. is ther emore substance to it than that?

further, are you still happy with where your vote is? has anything that has happened since literally the first 3 posts of the game affected your reads on any player in any way to a greater extent than 3 reasonless votes at the start of the game?

kanye is town

I'm prepared to white knight Sakura.

good god here it is again

[pieguyn]

unvote vote: Natirasha

Majiffy, Yrealz, Kise, dopog get in here and post plz

[pieguyn]

for me that post doesn't say anything. IMO he could easily have a scum PR especially one that's passable as a town PR, so it's best not to analyze that too much for now

[pieguyn]

He asked why you don't like RVS votes without a reason.

who's "he"? as far as I can tell, you're the one who asked this

Okay

You're town, Sakura is not

why'd you say again Sakura isn't town? levi wasn't even mentioning her.

sakura is such a good vote im not even kidding

and why is that plz. atm you're just voting her and you haven't given any reasons at all

actually In any random group of 3 people, its pretty likely that 1 of them is scum.

deasvial dude you're puttin way too much anaylise into my posts. its too cute.

would you prefer no one put any analysis into anyone's post? if that happens, we're just sitting here without trying to obtain any new information at all, clearly this scenario doesn't benefit town at all =.=

Nats stop playing weird.

mb DrD + Natirasha team?

Yup. Sakura's probably guilty

wait, what? out of nowhere you're suddenly scumreading Sakura. it's weird too how you didn't explain it at all, can you explain it plz?

Wouldn't you expect that if that sort of action were null?

so your vote on Sakura was serious? afaik you just threw it on there with nothing else whatsoever

Deas: Don't worry about talah, I liked your unvote.

what the hell is this post. tell me what you were trying to do here plz?

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@Matias: ok, I can see town intent in your posts so you're town for me :>

Have you ever played with Ms. Hana before? She's....easily frazzled, so to speak.

Nah it's fine Nati, I'm trying to improve in that regard...

So I thought I'd help her in her endeavor.

I like this. tho it'd be more effective if you at least put some reasons in there

What's wrong with what I said?

you were stopping people from pressuring Sakura more, when that situation could give town more information.

Your math might be a little bit off.

okay no
let's assume 5/21 mafia. then if we get 3 random people, the chance of all of them being town is (16/21) * (15/20) * (14/19) ~ 42.11%, meaning there's more than a 50% chance one out of a random group of 3 people is scum. there's probably even more mafia and maybe an SK so the real chance is even higher. IMO, this just shows you're not even trying and are just throwing things around to look like you're doing something.

unvote, vote: NachoKoopa

[pieguyn]

hello. piegun can you explain to me what your lack of understanding abt how math works says about nachos alignment?

if you're srsly implying my math is wrong, tell me what's wrong plz. oh wait it's impossible cause my math is right :>

anyway, Nacho said something was incorrect when it was correct. This implies he's not really analyzing things or looking at the logic behind people's posts. That implies he's not trying to scumhunt, which I don't see town motivation for = =

[pieguyn]

your math falls apart when you imply there is a better chance of picking scum from that pool of 3 than simply picking randomly from the entire pool. i can only assume thats what you are implying since theres fuckall point to your statement besides that.

first off, 5/21 = 23.81%.
so there is a better chance. keep in mind how ambiguous the other statement really is, cause there's a 50 whatever chance the set of 3 people we get even has scum in it, and we still don't know which of those people is scum. second off, I wasn't trying to imply that, I was trying to imply Nacho doesn't have town intent.

and certainly if he was only trying to argue with you about math he wouldnt be scumhunting, but im pretty sure hes doing shit besides that? to me it looks like your just kneejerking about being mad you tried to make a mathematical statement thats stupid as fuck.

you missed the point. and again if my math is wrong tell me where it's wrong plz :>

The formula I've been seeing in use for determining number of scum in a nonmultiball game is scumCount = (int)(floor(playerCount / 4)), which comes to the same assumption of 5 scum, but with the simpler math, it means that one out of every four players is scum; a bloc of three in isolation means nothing.

I wasn't trying to figure out the number of mafia. I was trying to figure out, given a random group of 3 people, the probability of any one of those people being scum.

If you want to try to use statistics to scumhunt, name your fourth. But really, don't use statistics to scumhunt, because that analysis means precisely bugger if this is multiball or there's a SK.

where did I try to use statistics to scumhunt?

What motivation would I have as scum to get my math wrong? It seems like something pretty alignment neutral to me unless you suspect that I'm manipulating people with incorrect math or something.

no, I'm not implying you got it wrong on purpose. I'm implying that you're not really analyzing what people are saying, and so you just said DrD's math was wrong just for the sake of saying something, which is scum intent.

then again now kanye did the same effing thing with the math so maybe I'm not looking in the right place orz

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so your vote on Sakura was serious? afaik you just threw it on there with nothing else whatsoever

That wasn't what I was trying to say at all.

To answer your second question: I was expressing an opinion.

you questioning her implies it's a serious vote

the fact that your vote is still on her, combined with you accusing someone for "injuring the Sakura" wagon, implies it's a serious vote

however, now you're implying it's not?

explain your vote on Sakura plz

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when you select your pool of 3 you have a 42% chance of zero scum, 45.11% of exactly 1 scum, 12.03% of exactly 2 scum and 0.75 chance of all 3 being scum.
we now have to randomly select one of those players to lynch! that means we have a 0% chance of selecting scum if there are zero scum in our pool of 3, 15.03% of having exactly one scum in the pool and picking them (45.11*1/3 = 15.03%), 8.02% of there being 2 scum and picking them (12.03*2/3 = 8.02%) and a .75 (.75*1 = .75%) chance of there being 3 scum. add those together and you get *gasp* a 23.81% chance of selecting 3 players and then selecting one player from that group and having it be scum. anmazing, isnt math great please learn how to apply math before you start trying to draw conclusions based on it.

yeah that's correct, but that's not what we were talking about

I never said anything about picking a random group of 3 people being a viable scumhunting method. what I posted was literally just the odds a random group of 3 people had at least 1 mafia in it. I even said how ambiguous that statement really is in my other post and that it's completely not viable for scumhunting cause as you said we still don't know which one in the group is scum. also, I never actually tried to use these probabilities to scumhunt. I already said what I was trying to do with this whole idea so go back and read it plz.

tl;dr: I think this whole thing was just a misunderstanding about what exactly we were trying to do and not the math itself.

"Pretty likely" is phrasing that makes it seem like it might be worth going after someone because they are in that group of 3. That isn't the case.

ok I'm fine with that for now

brb reading thread again

[pieguyn]

I already said what I was trying to do with this whole idea so go back and read it plz.

[pieguyn]

@Deasvail: what's your opinion on Matias ATM?

god this game is giving me a fking headache

vote: Kalimar

[pieguyn]

cause I want him in particular to post something. if I vote him imo he'll be more likely to post

[pieguyn]

aw fuck I missed that. oh well maybe he'll post anyway

you did catch that hes v/la yes?

there's something behind it, but if I say what it is it'll screw it up :>

[pieguyn]

EBWOP: quoted the wrong post sry meant to quote this one

and why him in particular and not one of the other players who have posted basically (or perhaps even literally) nothing?

[pieguyn]

unvote vote: NachoKoopa

I have some ideas, but I wanna wait a bit before revealing them :>

You came in, made an offhand snide remark about how we should summon you when we were out of RVS when we clearly were, and went back to your regularly scheduled programming of nothing. If you are working those hours (and I'm not challenging that, I know what a bitch graveyard is), then your posting should be practically shitting gold. You should make the most of the opportunities you are getting to post.

did you thoroughly read Majiffy's post

Your answers, though, have been acceptable at this early stage. Welcome to the team, Empking.

why do you think his answers are acceptable?

I doubt Majiffy is scum. I'm not scum, and if talah and Nat are going to baselessly wagon someone can they put pressure on Beli or Sak, please.

Nat: If you're going for little presence (and Maj -> me suggests that). Isn't dopog conspicuous the most likely suspect, why haven't you looked at him?

anything else you have to say? I find it so weird how you just seem to redirect attention onto others without posting much else = =

also answer my question plz, especially now that you apparently wanna pressure Sakura more

VOTE: NachoKoopa

Nominate

Nati

for townbloc. Comfortable in his own skin and pressuring players who definitely need pressuring. Asking the right kind of questions.

talah -

Yes

Matias - y/n?
pieguyn - y/n?

I say yes for now. I like his recent posts a lot ww still wanna know his recent thoughts on Empking tho

[pieguyn]

unvote vote: Sakura Hana

first off, IMO Majiffy vs. Levi is town vs. town. i could explain in detail why but i'll spare you all a long wall of quotes kthx

The one where he bitched about us still being in RVS? Yeah I did. And I hold to my point. Do you have an actual basis for asking this question, or you gonna hop off Majiffy's protective watch any time soon?

I would have probably replaced out if this game was approaching 20 pages by now. This is the first I've been able to make a post not on my phone in this thread.

You should make the most of the opportunities you are getting to post.

have you ever tried posting from a phone
it's the most fking annoying thing in the history of history and it's pretty much impossible to post anything good.

I can't understand you saying something like this at all, while taking the above into account. this makes me think you're just coming up with reasons to accuse people, without even checking to see if they're valid or not = =

You're grasping for straws to try and stretch out a wagon that, quite frankly, is shit and should be dead by now.

circular logic'

can you explain your vote on Levi plz? it seems so weird how you just switch from one end of Maji vs. Levi to another and it makes me think you're trying to push a town vs. scum on what IMO is a town vs. town

however, now you're implying it's not?

No. I'm just saying that in the post where you thought I was implying it was serious I was implying nothing of the sort. It is serious, but in that particular post I wasn't making an issue of it's seriousness.

Wouldn't you expect that if that sort of action were null?

that right there implies it's serious, cause you're questioning her, implying you think she could be scum. I can't understand this at all @_@ you made an apparently serious vote, question her, then say you questioning her doesn't imply it's a serious vote, but it's serious anyway? I thought the whole point was to figure out if she's scum or not, but if that wasn't your intent when questioning her then what the hell are you trying to do? = =

[pieguyn]

btw PeregrineV's active lurking is starting to tick me off = =

on top of that I can't even see any direction in his play. IMO we should wagon him next

[pieguyn]

btw PeregrineV's active lurking is starting to tick me off = =

on top of that I can't even see any direction in his play. IMO we should wagon him next

Does my posting once a day irritate you?

it's that your posts have hardly anything in them. and even after reading all your posts I still can't tell what exactly you're trying to do

also the fact that you seem satisfied with just "once a day" seems really weird for me = =

We're clearly talking about two different posts. When you learn to read mine and infer which I'm referring to (it's not hard), I'll continue this line of conversation. GL.

no, you completely missed my point. you posted this

You should make the most of the opportunities you are getting to post.

but by this post

I would have probably replaced out if this game was approaching 20 pages by now. This is the first I've been able to make a post not on my phone in this thread.

that was the first opportunity he really had to post > < so what you said doesn't work

TL;DR - We have a pattern of refusal to establish anything close to concrete reads that he'll stand by since the beginning of the game, and no actual attempts to gather who he would like to see lynched. People are accusing others of active lurking, but this is literally the textbook definition of it. It's simply smoke in mirrors, making it look like he's doing something but rather doing not a damned thing this game.

the way this post is worded seems like using active lurking to redirect my attention off you, given I mentioned active lurking. = =
also, can you explain the last two links? as far as I can see he posted townreads in those posts, even if they weren't strong reads.

[pieguyn]

unvote vote: Belisarius

@PeregrineV: k seems fine

Clearly I didn't give a shit about that post, I even specifically said his first post

at all

bothered me, the tone and all that accompanied by it. I also have since said I've been satisfied with what he has brought to the table. Jesus christ you're dense.

okay no
my point is you accused him with a false reason and are trying to push scum vs. town on what's probably a town vs. town. I never once said you found the post I quoted to be suspicious. By quoting the post I was directly pointing out where Maji said something that shows what you said is wrong, not saying you found it suspicious. from what you've posted, IMO you're either you're seeing and defending against something that's not there or you're just trying to cover up my true point. also, the last sentence is scummy as fuck, cause it seems like you want people to just disregard what I say entirely instead of looking at my arguments.

not only that but you still haven't explained the false logic on DV

[1] No, the use of active lurking is because that's what he's doing. He's not posting content, he's not doing anything. He's just posting fluff. That is the definition of active lurking. I couldn't give two fucks whether you mentioned it previously or before, or whether your attention is on me or on the moon.
[2] He said in each post "I don't think you're scum, but this could definitely be scummy." That's not a read. That's a big ol' stack of Belgian waffles that he could flip back to and say "Look! I knew something was scummy about him all along!" if wagons form.

if he made a big thing about "hey I knew he'd flip scum/town" in the future, I agree it'd be suspicious. but srsly do you think this way about every single person who posts a weak read and says it might be incorrect?

To get her away from illogical thinking. (Illogic is alignment-masking.)

how come you think Sakura is scum then? I don't think you posted exactly why anywhere o.o

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Post 294 - My next post in the game. A reply to a question in 270 and a fucking unvote.

yeah that was the exact post I was suspicious of. if you supposedly weren't suspecting him anymore at that point then why did you say it's suspicious how he apparently wasn't making the most of his opportunities to post?

I don't give two flying fucks about what he posted in 275 because my next post after he made that (read: THE NEXT TIME I READ THE THREAD) I had already changed my read on him. Clearly he had reasons not to post a lot, and clearly he responded in a manner which I found as acceptable.

read my posts plz. I never said you found 275 suspicious. ever. I quoted 275 cause it directly shows my point. this seems like a really defensive reaction. = =

also, now you're saying he did have reasons? then why the hell did you accuse him of "not making the most of his opportunities to post" in the first place, when it's clear 275 was his first real chance to post and you knew this? that's exactly what I've been saying the whole time

Read this post. If you don't get it, you're not going to.

2) I don't think you actually believe that Majiffy "made up a reason" for not posting content. He was pretty straightforward in that he felt that we weren't at a point worth putting in the effort, and he's backed that up since. Whether that's a smart play or not is up for debate, whether that's what actually happened or not isn't. You're grasping for straws to try and stretch out a wagon that, quite frankly, is shit and should be dead by now.

your logic was: he's mafia -> he's trying to extend a wagon instead of legitimately being suspicious -> he's mafia. I fail to see one post you've made where you defended your logic on him at all, let alone this specifically.

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I WAS ANSWERING A QUESTION ASKED IN 270.

you did answer the question, but then you immediately went saying he was "not making the most of his opportunities to post"
which makes no sense given you said you changed your read on him by then and you admitted he had a reason for not posting, plus his post he made was his first real opportunity to post

As for the DV shit, you've already dug into your confirmation bias of god only knows what so I'm not wasting my time. If you really think that my logic was "he's scum -> find a reason -> he's scum," there's literally no point in addressing me at all any further because I'm going to get banned/force replaced from this game if I have to beat my face against a keyboard one more time to explain simple logic to you like I did above.

instead of explaining your thought process, just says I'm wrong and accuses me of confbias. scum found, ggs

also do me a favor and quote where I said you thought 275 was suspicious. GL ~

unvote vote: AGar

I wanna see you rage more =w=

I need to catch up and I will do that sometime soon, but something I've been wondering:

Mastin, what did you mean when you said you 'weren't invested in the game' at the start?

when you do I wanna hear your reads on Beli plz

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Lol! I didn't say they were all wrong!

I fail to see how this has anything to do with anything. he posted this

What reads are wrong other than the one on you?

he was asking for existence, not proving all of them were wrong. where was he implying you said they were all wrong?

@Nacho: just wondering, where'd you get a scumread on Maji? I couldn't find it anywhere o.o

Pie, look at AGar as scum in this game. Is it possible that their alignments are the same? I really don't think so

that's a really weak argument, he only had 10 posts that game and he replaced out. = = I can see he was acting different, but how can you be sure it was based off alignment and not inactivity?
also why are you defending him? = =

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I know he only had 10 posts, but how he's going about things while he is there is just completely different from here.

yeah that's what I meant, how can you be sure that's based off alignment and not inactivity?

And I'm defending him because I think he's town...

what are you hoping to accomplish by doing this?

also Pyrotechnics reads town for me. he's pointing a lot of things with wayne's logic similar to what I noticed w

[pieguyn]

he was asking for existence, not proving all of them were wrong. where was he implying you said they were all wrong?

He said my reads were accurate just like they were in Xenoblade, where my reads were famously horrible.

oh sry, this was directed at wayne.
@wayne:

Lol! I didn't say they were all wrong!

^ plz quote what made you say this. as far as I can see, Nacho was never implying you said they were all wrong, he just said this v

What reads are wrong other than the one on you?

It's more the difference between the style of his posts (I don't feel the kind of scum player in La-La goes all capsrage as scum in another game).

I'm not feeling up to reading people right now (will probably look over Pyro tonight), but I may end up agreeing with you on them. We'll see!

answer my second question plz

[pieguyn]

I really don't have time for any posting today, I have too much to do. I'm leaving one tiny bit in here:

Pieguy - The part about quality posting and making the most of your opportunities

was part of my answer to Majiffy

. If you can't understand that, go pound salt.

I fail to see how I'm supposed to tell based off the post alone how that's part of an answer to the question, but ok

if that's the case, I'm curious what your opinion on all the other lurkers are, cause that kind of logic can apply to them too. seems you just went straight for Majiffy when everyone else did, so I wanna know w

Pieguy, as that was to Nacho, and I'm sure he knows exactly what I was answering, I feel no need to explain it to you.

nope that's not gonna cut it
he asked you to provide one read that was wrong and you exaggerated it saying "I never said they

were all

wrong". keep in mind you were also the one who referenced Xenoblade mafia where they apparently were all wrong, making your statement false in the first place. explain or die :>

Pie- I said what I thought.

I don't see where you said what you're trying to accomplish by defending someone else, can you link it plz? = =

[pieguyn]

Then vote me pie guy. That's all you're getting.

unvote vote: waynegg

[pieguyn]

no
answer my question or you'll have roleclaimed mafia ~

[pieguyn]

unvote vote: Empking

[pieguyn]

I say yes
her posts seem fine for me and in fact I thought she was town ever since near the start v

Reasonless votes give no info, even a random reason can be analyzed.

I wanna nominate Pyrotechnics. he was pushing on wayne pointing out logical inconsistencies, and I like his attacks

me - Yes
talah - y/n
Matias - y/n
Nati - y/n

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Still reading, but:

hi
what's your read on Belisarius plz? I'd appreciate if you go into detail :>

Sorry Pie, I meant that I just said what I thought when I defended AGar. I suppose I felt pretty strongly that AGar was town and thought I'd share it.

oh sry

god what the hell is going on. this game is starting to give me a headache again = =

where the hell is kanye. he was posting a lot near the start of the game and now it seems like he disappeared. given a lot of stuff has been going on, for me the change of pace is a scumtell

Wtf is going on Sakura is town or scum w/nacho, but w/e you people are kind of insane.

curious, which one do you think is more likely at this point?

looking back on things, I'm even more suspicious of wayne. near the start of the game he suggested to work together

Ok so Kanye, Deaznuts, Mastin, Nat town. You guys wanna work together?

now that it's actually happening and he's not a part of it he seem really against it

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I have an idea but I wanna wait until Kalimar answers my question

haven't yet posted a full list of my reads so here. this is almost for my own sanity as I'm getting such a headache from this game @_@
Town: talah, Majiffy, Levi, Nati, Pyro, Sakura, Matias
Null-town: PV, NachoKoopa, mastin, kanye
Null: everyone else
Scum: wanyegg, AGar, Empking
ugh I'm not sure if I should be worried that I'm townreading more than half the players. but ok

@Agar: explain this plz

Follow up has been better, but don't get indignant because

you

don't understand the wagon on you.

you flat-out admitted you were fine with his reasoning. but this indicates you're still suspicious of him a bit? conveniently this implies you're not fully reading him as town, but not suspicious enough to be scum either. It's the same kind of thing as what you were accusing Levi of doing, but just subtler. 0.0

Do you have an actual basis for asking this question, or you gonna hop off Majiffy's protective watch any time soon?

scumpaint me harder <3

The fact that pieguy's vote is still on Emp bothers me greatly, as well.

and exactly why does my vote matter than any of the other votes that are "still" on Empking?
keep in mind I haven't able to post since here, none of the other votes have moved since then, and you apparently didn't find it suspicious at this time. Not to mention no one had even mentioned me. I see no logical reason behind this statement at all so I'm just going to assume you're BS'ing and/or scumpainting me again

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yeah why not

unvote vote: AGar

Empking is a scumread for me because of how he was deflecting attention earlier:

I doubt Majiffy is scum. I'm not scum, and if talah and Nat are going to baselessly wagon someone can they put pressure on Beli or Sak, please.

If you're town, you're wasting your vote and doing the rest of us a huge disservice by parking it on a wagon you either don't believe in or don't care enough to see through to a lynch.

1. I was following talah as part of a vote group. how is that "wasting" my vote? and what makes this different from everyone else in talah's vote group?
2. why does it have to be one of those two possibilities?
3. what makes you think I either don't believe in the Empking wagon, or don't care enough to see it through to a lynch?

I really don't get why you keep bringing irrelevant posts up, unless you actually have nothing to contribute to the game.

nice way to try to cover up what I said :3 too bad it's not going to work

I'm repeating this point for emphasis - the wagon-starter basically said "Yeah he's town."

so it's not a good wagon cause the leader stopped supporting it?
and regardless, why shouldn't wagons on townies exist? even if the person being wagoned is town, we can use people's reactions and interactions with others to get more information. saying wagons on townies shouldn't exist is like saying we should just sit here without even trying to get more information. clearly this scenario doesn't benefit town = =

(unless not answering your questions makes people scum in your book, in which case I should be the towniest town who ever towned to you)

false logic. "failing to answer questions" -> "scum" does not imply that "answering questions" -> "town".

Your post afterwords gave some content but left the vote parked and made no mention of Empking whatsoever. Another post passes, you list Empking as a "scumread," but you've actually given no reasoning to back it up (unless not answering your questions makes people scum in your book, in which case I should be the towniest town who ever towned to you), came at me (listed as a scumread so that's logical) but then again left your vote parked on the wagon.

what is this I don't even
first sentence: so you say that's suspicious. However, you had another post in between the post where you first declared it to be suspicious. Why wasn't it suspicious then? As for me leaving my vote, see above
second sentence: you're using something that happened AFTER you declared my vote to be suspicious as reasoning for declaring that vote to be suspicious? that's not how it works :>
speaking of not having any reasoning, I declared Empking's redirecting attention to be suspicious around the time it happened, so I definitely had reasoning.

You're not generating pressure, you're not gathering any information.

false statement
if you really want me to demonstrate this, obviously I generated enough pressure on you for you to answer my questions. beautifully illustrating my point

@pieguyn - I didn't like Beli's intro. Having read his ISO I like his carefree posting style, which usually tends to come from town.

what did you think of Beli's vote on me?

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Actual scumhunting not good towntell for vets; easily faked. (Particularly IF multiscum.) Heads don't seem that "into the game"; explain? Please help me w/ refining Sakura and point out townposting. Beli looks to have plenty scumhunting. How sure are you on levi? Why are these two not scum/town?

wait, what? he never said scumhunting was a towntell, he said this v

lack of scumhunting, even to trying to find it on his own wagon. Play reminds me of scum-Beli from here.

that lack of scumhunting is a scumtell. that does not imply that presence of scumhunting is a towntell

Theres nothing illogical in that post, and if you think there is its becausd you're bringing your prejudices from later in the game.

no

why do you think at least 1 out of 3 of the people doing a reasonless vote are scum?

1) I said "at least"
2) I've seen 3 people drop votes on me in a rapid manner in RVS in another game and 1 of them was scum.

Wouldn't you expect that if that sort of action were null?

you said this post was illogical. this directly implies that other post is illogical cause this post is her reasoning for the other post

[pieguyn]

talah what happened to Sakura 0.0 did I miss something

@DeasVail: that's an interesting point about Majiffy, mb I was wrong about saying him x Levi was town vs town. and he seems to be conveniently defending AGar

@Majiffy:

ehh. I actually don;t think sak is scum anymore.

On the otherhand, nacho, wayne, and probs agar and PV are solid votes.

Mebbe.
Definitely not.
Definitely not.
Ehhh ok.

mind explaining your read on AGar? and while I'm here, explain your read on me too plz

just ISO'ed him and saw this

Consolidate scum reads Jiffy? I'll go first...

Empking
DrDolittle
DeasVail
Sakura Hana
talah
Pyrotechnics

Agree on DV,

possibly Emp.

Definitely not Talah. Still thinking about Sak. Probably not Pyro. Haven't bothered reading DrDo.

VOTE: Empking

Lets hurry up and mislynch

the lurker town

so we can scare the lurker scum into posting.

then this ^ a few posts later? explain why the flip flop plz

[pieguyn]

I'd be ok with a Kalimar lynch... I wanna see his answer to my question first, but currently he's hardly posted anything and the posts he's made I can't see any direction in his play. 0.0

[pieguyn]

50 posts is not "a few". That's 1/11th of the game at that point.

this just seems like an excuse, especially when you never said why you changed your read. explain what made you change your read

He's going the same direction I am with his reads, he's probably town.

so if I was going the same direction you were with my reads the whole game, I'd be town?

You're either the biggest fucking idiot ever or you're scum, simple as that.

false dichotomy

God you're so fucking scum.

instead of explaining your scumread on me, you just continue repeating I'm scum and that's all there is to it? this is so weird for me = =

This is the best you can do?

wow really

When you challenge arguments for someone being scum, that shows a town-lean, if not a town-read.
When you don't support arguments for someone being scum, that shows the lack of a scum-lean or a scum read.

nope. you're not getting away with this one

Because the active cunts in the game all have it in their weak little minds that you're somehow town, which is not only beside me but also fucking retarded.

states he didn't wagon DeasVail because people were townreading him

Go find my reads list and poke around the posts near there. I had people questioning my read on you and no one supporting me.

states he didn't wagon DeasVail because no one was supporting him. indicating by the first quote that people just weren't scumreading him, as opposed to outright townreading him
also, link where exactly people were directly questioning your read on DeasVail, instead of just not supporting it? also quote exactly where the "tone" made you think they weren't supporting it.

@ pieguyn: I don't have a particularly strong opinion on Belisarius' vote for you. Only slight bug is that there's no follow up for it.

nope you're not getting away with this either

Belisarius voting to no-lynch in the RVS is a good way to avoid responsibility for his vote, which I've seen scum do in a recent game I played. In addition, I don't like that he votes waynegg for poor reasoning - it seems like on the surface scumhunting and not legitimate.

Vote: Belisarius

points out it's suspicious when Belisarius votes waynegg for poor reasoning

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pieguyn

I dinnae like yer attempt to distance yerself from yer shit logic once it's conclusive proven to be shit

this is the same thing, voting me for poor "logic". on top of that we throw in there this was all a misunderstanding about actually using this "logic" to scumhunt and it's obvious just by reading the thread what happened. but this one isn't suspicious? IMO, this just implies you're BS'ing.

Majiffy has some weird stances on Empking e.g. thinking he's town but voting him anyway, but calling him maybe-scum in each other post about him.
I think that if he was genuinely interested in what my thoughts were on his wagon he'd have said something about my reply rather than push pieguyn without reasoning. Speaking of which, him pushing pieguyn instead of DeasVail when DeasVail is coming at him with an axe looks like deflecting, considering he's said a lot more about DeasVail prior.

aw fuck what the hell now this is confusing the shit out of me. might this really be a slight attempt at bussing? especially when you didn't even vote him

If you had to pick between Majiffy and Empking dying, which would it be?

I say Empking. atm, I feel he's more suspicious than Majiffy.

[pieguyn]

(that doesn't make them wrong though and you've seen that)

Why would any experienced player want to be in a townbloc that's growing way too fast and way too easily that's being filled by a player that's been said by others "the newb is strong in this one" and a player who just joined in August? Nat? Oh yeah, and who isn't playing like excited scum in his first scum game.

appeal to authority
and just for completeness, in fact I've been playing longer than you. get fucked by your own fallacious logic :>

All that damnage and no vote...

well excuse me for pressuring more than one person at a time. = = my vote is still on Empking cause he still hasn't explained himself

And this. Lol.

what's "lol" about that?

[pieguyn]

So everything else is accurate, being you singled out the one thing that didn't fit.

that's not how logic works bro
and it's still not an excuse for ignoring what I posted

pedit how long have I been playing pie?

according to the panel on the left, since May. if you've been playing since 2011, then I retract my statement.

[pieguyn]

if you really want me to make a case about every single thing you've posted up to this point, then I can. it might take a while though @_@

no it's not how logic works. but just for you: I singled out the AtA because I thought it was a contradiction. I haven't yet seen an outright contradiction you've had elsewhere, so that's why it stood out for me.

it's still not an excuse for ignoring the rest of what I said

[pieguyn]

oh here's another one

Why would any experienced player want to be in a townbloc that's growing way too fast and way too easily that's being filled by a player that's been said by others "the newb is strong in this one"

and a player who just joined in August

? Nat? Oh yeah, and who isn't playing like excited scum in his first scum game.

this implies that the panel on the left is always accurate. but given you said I should retract my statement, that implies it's not

Hey pie I haven't read a word you've said since page six.

Thoughts?

u srs

[pieguyn]

oh here's another one

Why would any experienced player want to be in a townbloc that's growing way too fast and way too easily that's being filled by a player that's been said by others "the newb is strong in this one"

and a player who just joined in August

? Nat? Oh yeah, and who isn't playing like excited scum in his first scum game.

this implies that the panel on the left is always accurate. but given you said I should retract my statement, that implies it's not

That implies I made no assumptions and simply pointed out your join date. Really odd you took this long to respond to it. You should have said something sooner so it wouldn't look so much like you painting someone as scum, but you obviously had something to hide so I forgive you.

1. I had other ideas at that time besides pointing out your AtA. given your apparent reputation for insane logic, I didn't think it really mattered much then. but now that I'm trying to pressure you more I figured I'd ask about it

2. given what you said, that implies you're referring to the experience of those forming the townblock. this implies you were making a statement that I'm inexperienced because I only joined in august. hence the AtA

also stop ignoring my questions. The fact that you just keep ignoring them, IMO, implies you're just trying to BS your way through D1. Especially when you're apparently scumreading me..

[pieguyn]

So... you're not interacting with Empking the guy you'd prefer to lynch, meanwhile you're making wallpost arguments with me.

yet another blatant misrep. look at this post plz. here I'm asking him a question, which he outright NEVER ANSWERS. I can't continue my interaction with him till he answers this question, unless something else comes up, but he's only made one post after that. I'm trying to interact with him but he's not holding his half of the interaction.

From the start of the game? Yes. Too late now, though, you're already a scumbutt.

so theoretically, any scum can just put the same reads as you the whole game from the beginning and you'd never call them on it.
seriously, this logic makes no sense

Here's one. Wow, how hard, reading the thread and all.
Anything else?

quote where the "tone" implies they're not supporting it instead of being legitimately curious about your read plz.
I see two posts who question your posts, which don't necessarily have such a tone, and then mastin2 even AGREEING DV is suspicious and voting for him.

What was quoted above was in no way a response to any questioning of my scumread on pie. This is a deliberate misrep to attempt to weaken my positions.

yet yet another misrep. who cares if what was quoted above was a direct response to a question. it was quoting something I've posted and saying I'm scum cause of it. it doesn't change the fact that a. you didn't give a logical explanation for anything and b. you're just repeating the statement that "I'm scum".

So town pie clutters up the thread with wall wars over useless subjects and just lets the person he's voting for lurk his way out of a dying wagon?

ok I'm pretty sure Majiffy is scum
I point out an outright contradiction which he outright IGNORES, and then tries to cover it up by saying I'm cluttering up the thread with "useless subjects".
I see no town motivation in this whatsoever

this style of wall posting came from the first game I played on this site which was a Newbie game and there were like 2 or 3 players who posted long walls of text the whole time and it's what I got used to. ask Sakura ww

also, I admit I'm not skilled at all at interacting with someone who's lurking. my current fix for that is just treating it as suspicious, but it doesn't help in getting the lurker back into the thread and continuing the wagon. but I know there's better ways.. orz

This is a fake dumbtell. Notice that he has the mod in his town reads. He has ArcAngel in his null reads. He has dopog as his only scum read. Mac and dopog made the same exact amount of posts. There is literally no way he remembers that Mac was replaced by ArcAngel who's made what two maybe three posts? But forgets that we replaced dopog. Then there's the beauty of wanting someone to tell him who replaced dopog when he knows for damn sure that he can go to the OP and see the current playlist. To make this list he had to go to the opening post to get the list of players (or I suppose the activity list in the bottom corner, but then would still notice that we're in the game.) What's also interesting is that he lists nacho twice. So does he have nacho as town or as null?

interesting idea
not to mention he completely left out me, wayne, talah, Svenskt Stål, and you @_@

[pieguyn]

this is hilarious, rage more plz =w=

... 150 posts ago.

Uh then you press him and keep on the pressure until he answers?

yeah, I just admitted I'm not good at keeping pressure on people when they ignore me =A=

You're a moron.

so by your own false dichotomy, I'm not scum
showing how little sense your reasoning makes in the first place

Seriously right now? You're going to say I'm misrepping you by pointing out THE EXACT FUCKING MISREP YOU MADE?

no, I said you're misrepping me by implying I said the reason your post was suspicious was because it wasn't a direct response to a question. it's suspicious because you had no explanation for saying I'm scum, and just repeatedly said I was scum.
I, on the other hand, did and it followed directly from what I was quoting. I was giving new information instead of limiting myself to answering your questions.

Please explain to me which of the pie/dv lynch is a "popular current affair".

bullshit question. he said "affairs", implying both of them are

Pieguy is repeatedly misrepping,

you actually only pointed out one supposed "misrep"~
by this, it's not "repeatedly"

while simultaneously voting elsewhere, arguing elsewhere

already answered this. excuse me for trying to pressure multiple slots at the same time ww

Playstyle, not alignment.

here you say my quote walls and responding to everything are playstyle

using spam-wall scum techniques,

now it's alignment? no
not to mention you've been doing the same thing

unvote vote: Majiffy

I don't believe your horrendous and contradictory logic is genuine, nor your 1-shot watcher, nor even if the claim is true that it necessarily has to be a town role. any more posts will not be responded to, until you can actually come up with some legitimate ideas. k thx bye

@talah: does any of this change your opinion of a Majiffy lynch on D1? I'm more than certain he's scum: he's using crap logic to get people lynched and his pushes on DV, Levi, and me seem really opportunistic. his scumhunting, when it's not contradicting the shit out of itself, seems based on pre-defined criterion that he expects to automatically get people lynched (e.g. my vote not matching up with who I'm talking to atm, when I wanna pressure multiple slots). he seems pissed off because was called out by someone who "only joined in August" when I was townreading him previously and then changed my read. I can't see any pro-town motivation behind any of this shit. he is not town :>

[pieguyn]

oh hey speaking of Empking

Empking: answer my question. it certainly doesn't help your case that you ignored it previously. I'll even put it below for your own convenience ~

Theres nothing illogical in that post, and if you think there is its becausd you're bringing your prejudices from later in the game.

no

why do you think at least 1 out of 3 of the people doing a reasonless vote are scum?

1) I said "at least"
2) I've seen 3 people drop votes on me in a rapid manner in RVS in another game and 1 of them was scum.

Wouldn't you expect that if that sort of action were null?

you said this post was illogical. this directly implies that other post is illogical cause this post is her reasoning for the other post

[pieguyn]

Beli who do you wanna lynch today

e.g. with all the analysis, who came out on top in terms of scumreads?

[pieguyn]

Town: Nati, talah, Matias, Sakura, Pyro, Levi, Beli
Null-town: kayne, PV, Nacho, DV
Null: DrD, Sven, AA9, mastin
Scum: Majiffy, Empking, Kalimar, waynegg, AGar *
* I seriously doubt AGar x Majiffy is scum vs. scum, so this is impossible unless multiball. not too sure yet on exactly who else it would be in that case (from DrD, Sven, AA9, mastin)

I'm fine with lynching anyone under "scum" or "null" besides AGar.

Majiffy, you do realise that you've done far more discrediting than pie has, right?

Scum.

{DV, Sven, Pie, Kalimar, ?AGAR?} scumteam? (Need to check math; need to check interactions.)

mind explaining why the hell I'm scum? you literally threw me on there with no reason given anywhere. plz don't tell me you're just sheeping Majiffy who provably contradicts himself

also, I think me x AGar is impossible no matter how you look at it unless you're thinking it's multiball, which it doesn't seem like you are given you posted only one "scumteam"

Empking, mastin, Levi:

rather than argue for forever about "majiffy making good points" or not, I'll instead let you see it yourself.

Cutting out the bullshit in pie's posts to respond to his "points" and other bits.

this is hilarious, rage more plz =w=

Continue attempting to discredit me, scum looks good on you.

yeah, I just admitted I'm not good at keeping pressure on people when they ignore me =A=

"I just admitted I'm scummy why would you call me scummy for it wtfomgz"

You're a moron.

so by your own false dichotomy, I'm not scum
showing how little sense your reasoning makes in the first place

You can be dumb

and

scum. You just can't be smart town.

it's suspicious because you had no explanation for saying I'm scum, and just repeatedly said I was scum.

You mean like those arguments I made for you being scum way way back when I called you scum the first time? Mmkay.

I, on the other hand, did and it followed directly from what I was quoting. I was giving new information instead of limiting myself to answering your questions.

No, you were being a deflective scumbutt.

you actually only pointed out one supposed "misrep"~
by this, it's not "repeatedly"

Guess what? You misrepped in this very post, making it two. Which is "repeatedly".

The more you know!

Playstyle, not alignment.

here you say my quote walls and responding to everything are playstyle

using spam-wall scum techniques,

now it's alignment? no

First quote refers to "responding to every single question", which is different from spam-wall scum techniques, although similar in the sense of being walls.

unvote vote: Majiffy

I don't believe your horrendous and contradictory logic is genuine, nor your 1-shot watcher, nor even if the claim is true that it necessarily has to be a town role.

Hedge more.

any more posts will not be responded to, until you can actually come up with some legitimate ideas. k thx bye

Lol ok you can stop wasting my time now.

find the incorrect logic in the above post. bonus points for finding a solution that doesn't match mine. go ~
(and Empking, while you're here, answer my damn question or you'll have claimed scum, kthx)

[pieguyn]

mind explaining why the hell I'm scum?

Waynegg impersonation! (Most likely scum.)

(Wayne is to talah what you are to Majiffy. You're doing a dead-on repeat.)

plz tell me exactly why that post is scummy. All I see is me completely owning Majiffy's "case" on me, if it can even be called a case. As it is, your "reason" seems like an excuse to find an easy way onto the wagon, should you need to.
also I'm going to assume you couldn't find the solution to the question I asked? it really isn't hard to see, so plz look at it @_@

@Empking: this is stupid, quit ignoring my questions. the fact that you didn't answer my question about Majiffy's post, combined with how long you took to answer this damn question, is so weird. not to mention YOU'RE NOT EVEN DOING ANYTHING ELSE IN LIKE THE PAST DAY BESIDES VOTING ME. I get the feeling you're just trying to avoid attention with all the crap going on currently. yeah no fuck this

That's post 123. The other post is 99. What comes first? [Unless, you're genuinely claiming to have psychic powers that allowed you to independently discover the meaning of 99 which happened to match 123]. The phrase 'bad logic is alignment masking' was almost made for situations like this where someone does something off, and then goes 'badlogic'.

I have no idea what this has to do with anything, and instead see a scumpainting attempt. this is what happened:
Sakura makes post 99, which you claim here that there's "nothing illogical" in. Then you question her in in this post, which you claim here is to get her away from illogical thinking. This implies the logic in the post you were questioning her in is illogical, which, since it was the reasoning for post 99, makes post 99 illogical by extension. This contradicts the first link where you say it's not illogical. Which one came first doesn't matter, what matters is that you're BS'ing your way through D1.

[pieguyn]

fuck all this shit

claim: Dearka Elsman

I pilot the Buster Gundam. I'm a Vigilante, during night phases I can kill another player. flavorized as a hyper-impulse long-range sniper rifle.

also I breadcrumbed this role in the first serious post I made. the first letters of the lines in the first and last part spell "vig"

can we lynch Majiffy now plz

[pieguyn]

I knew you'd say something like that. predictable scum is predictable

here's what happened: scum saw my breadcrumb on the first post. and it thus became a priority for them to get rid of me, cause scum's biggest threat is someone who can do what they do: kill. so Majiffy led this hugeass wagon on me cause he knew everyone would just follow him instead of paying attention to someone "who only joined in August". for fuck sake he even said I was "newbscum" in an early post of his, showing his reliance on me being "new". now that I've claimed, as he wanted, he's pushing me = scum anyway cause he knew I'd claim a killing role.

fuck I wouldn't be surprised if there are 3-4 scum on my wagon. after all, for scum, getting rid of other people who can kill is a top priority. plus if it's multiball, it's possible another scum saw it and silently did the same thing (Empking for god sake)

if you look at all the incorrect logic and contradictions I've pointed out, there's no way all of his shit is genuine. this is why people should actually look at shit instead of sheeping an experienced player. now I'm pretty much doomed to die N1 =_=

seriously, fuck all this shit

btw, I'm open for kill targets. I'm planning on shooting Majiffy if he doesn't get lynched, or waynegg if he does get lynched. but, if anyone can come up with a good case for me to shoot someone else and a lot of people agree to it, I'll accept it :>

[pieguyn]

I'll explain

he's claiming that I'm fakeclaiming vigilante as part of a second scumteam, and that no one will realize it cause the number of kills will be the same as 1 scumteam + vigilante

but since he's scum, instead of having, and thus explaining, a thought process behind concluding it was multiball from my vig claim, he just throws the statement out there. because he didn't have a logical thought process to conclude it, cause his whole plan ever since he found my breadcrumb was to push scum on me in order to get rid of a major threat to his faction

now go vote him plz

[pieguyn]

hell you know what, the whole fact that he tried to pull something like this out of his ass indicates he's lying

if he was really town, from his perspective, there's still a chance of getting 3 kills (me/scumteam 1/scumteam 2) on N1. the fact he just assumed it's multiball and that my claim is false indicates that he isn't really considering all the possibilities (which is what anyone would do if they were town), and is instead just trying to get rid of me

this incorrect logic is the kind of shit people would find if they would have actually just looked at his damn posts. but it's too late now

[pieguyn]

scumpaint me harder. I'm more than sure you're scum with him anyway so I don't care ww

instead I'll just summarize your entire play in two quotes

Then

omgus

vote me. I don't play with scum reads or try to convince them they're scum.

See above. That would be the thought you neglected to mention, yes? So by your own logic...

Like that 'too damned late' AtE though!

[pieguyn]

im mad as all hell @ this game

QF fucking T

Meh. Too many claims. I'm fucked overnight.

ed: agree where the frack is that dude?

wanna bet on which one of us two ends up dead tonight? I'll bet $100 on myself

[pieguyn]

@wayne: huhwhat, I don't remember you posting your townreads anywhere. 0.0

if that's the case, would you be open for a Majiffy lynch? I'm townreading Sakura/talah/Pyro/DV atm so I don't wanna lynch them currently, unless we run out of time or smth

Pie, you shouldn't have claimed so early, but things should be ok. Also, I think that since scum would be able to get rid of you at night easily enough, they wouldn't go to the effort of trying to get you lynched, especially since most of the time claims happen before lynches.

I wanna make sure we have time to get a good lynch instead of just lynching a random person or no lynch. I just remember the last game I hosted, town ran out of time on two days and no lynched cause they couldn't agree on a good lynch target. plus it didn't help that I was fking pissed off

If I saw your crumb, why wouldn't I just kill you at night, knowing that a town-vig claim and/or lynch would put a shitload of heat on me?

hell if I know, only you know for sure what you're trying to do. you yourself said the crumb sucked so mb you wanted to get more info before knowing for sure? seriously, how the fuck am I supposed to know your exact thought process

[pieguyn]

So you think I'm bright enough to pick up on your shitty crumb as scum but dumb enough to not have the foresight of "oh, wow, leading a lynch on a vig I could totally just nightkill might bring me a lot of heat"?

Mmkay. Glad we're straight on your story.

nice misrep again
all I can do is figure out what the most likely scenario is. currently, I see you not knowing whether I'm vig or not and trying to get a claim out of me to know for sure as a possibility. from a scum perspective, it could be worth it to get rid of a major threat

[pieguyn]

You mean after I shut down your other insane story?

Keep reaching.

nice misrep again. that scenario became possible after you said you thought the crumb was weak. with this in mind, that scenario became more likely. I wasn't thinking of smth like that before what you said called my attention to it.
and as I said, I have no idea what you're fucking trying to do. all I can do is discuss possibilities. how the fuck do you expect me to immediately know what your exact thought process is?

[pieguyn]

hell here's another scenario:
you saw the crumb and thought I might be scum planning to fakeclaim vig, so you started this whole case on me so that you'd get a shitton of towncred if you end up being right. and if you're wrong hey it's at least you got rid of the vigilante
seriously you make no sense

[pieguyn]

So after I shut down your insane story, scenario B became possible.

Which is what I said.

Which makes it not a misrep.

You are seriously bad at this.

no it's a misrep because you're implying the reason I brought it up was because you shut down the other thing, as opposed to it not being possible till something you mentioned

[pieguyn]

say something
he blows it off saying "I can't even your brain anymore."
and you wonder why the hell you're scum

For those of you watching at home, pissed-off-forced-to-claim town is indignant and pissed off, not playing hopscotch-inane-possibilities "gotcha!" game trying to make themselves look townier.

yeah take into consideration I'm usually polite as hell and say this again

[pieguyn]

that's how I play. what the hell is the point of making a post that's just "oasdlfkjh I'm so pissed off that I had to claim and now we just lost an important PR"? I don't see one

add to that you're scum and I'm still frustrated that people were sheeping you for seemingly no reason earlier and there you have it

[pieguyn]

yeah that's what I'm saying. when playing I try to limit my emotions as much as possible, since I feel if I don't it just gets in my way

[pieguyn]

of {Sven, DV, Kalimar}, I'd prefer Kalimar atm with Sven/DV as backup
Pyro reads town for me. I thought it was weird how kanye slowed down but people said that's typical, plus his way of being mad reads town for me
AA9 seems possible, considering she's hardly done anything. there's pretty much no content from that whole entire slot

unvote vote: Kalimar

so am i.

why dont you belie my claim?

claiming just the character name doesn't tell us shit. it'd be a lot more relevant if you'd have claimed what the role did. I don't think full claiming with no pressure is a good idea though

[pieguyn]

I'm sheeping mastin. me going for Majiffy any longer won't accomplish anything atm

[pieguyn]

Pie - will you shoot within a given set if a few of us can come to some sort of consensus?

yeah

[pieguyn]

I was originally thinking Majiffy (or waynegg, but I'm feeling a bit better about him recently), but after thinking about it it might be better to go for someone who's done nothing as you said (policy lynch)

in that case, probably AA9 cause there's literally no content from that slot

[pieguyn]

@Pie: I EXPECT you to kill someone tonight. Failure to do so will lead to your lynch on the morrow.

yeah I definitely will

[pieguyn]

what the flying fuck

unvote

[pieguyn]

vote: Kalimar

[pieguyn]

I'm not going to policy lynch town for a stupid shot. I don't like that Mastin is gone, but I'll be damned if I give scum 3 dead townies to start day 3. Don't break my heart Nat. Think logically. What you're doing is anti town at best.

could be a mafia dayvig, which also indicates multiball

I seriously doubt there'd be a town dayvig and nightvig at the same time. combined with the way he shot, makes me think he's mafia dayvig

[pieguyn]

You know there used to be a time where calling someone town and then blindly sheeping them all game so you can fly under the radar and point the finger of blame elsewhere was considered scummy. What happened to those days?

so if I was going the same direction you were with my reads the whole game, I'd be town?

From the start of the game? Yes.

this is exactly what I fucking said
this is exactly what I fucking said
this is exactly what I fucking said
this is exactly what I fucking said
this is exactly what I fucking said
I fucking said sheeping someone all game was a fucking invalid reason for townreading someone and you called me a moron. and now you fucking say it's scummy
fuck all this shit

unvote vote: Majiffy

yes imad

[pieguyn]

unvote vote: AA9

[pieguyn]

I'm an M. go for it w

[pieguyn]

Hey pie: my current vig pool is:

(Kalimar | Dolittle | Majiffy | Waynegg | Empking | Fuck it Beli) and AA9 if that's not lynched

I would also accept 'I didn't Vig' tomorrow and would like it if you considered town-wifom in your Vig considerations. I'd also like to hear from Nati, Sakura, (fukn Matias isn't replaced), Pyro (especially Syr), possibly dolittle and Nacho too. If we get a pool of three and you Vig what you think best, I'm happy. Is PereV in this game?

I'm fine with Kalimar, Majiffy, wayne, or Empking. I've got a pretty solid townread on Beli and DrD is null. I'd also like to hear what the others say :>

[pieguyn]

pie can u pls explain your thought process here tyvm

I've lost all my will for this game seeing as I'm most likely going to die N1, so I was just following Nati literally putting no thought into it whatsoever. I didn't actually think about it till later =A= then I realized he almost certainly has to be mafia dayvig

[pieguyn]

uuu I can't think about this game anymore

in retrospect I shouldn't have claimed that early. but I wanted to make sure we'd have time to get a good lynch plus I guess I was just mad and paranoid that no one was listening to me and somewhere it crossed over a line. bad playing on my part I guess as now this whole shit happened = =

but I'm letting you all decide who I should shoot and I'm being completely transparent in doing so. lynching me just because "I might be SK" is like the worst fucking idea ever. if you're really town then just let the fucking mafia shoot me at night and waste one of their NKs in doing so, while I also get a chance to shoot a mafia. and if they don't, hey I get another shot that YOU ALL GET TO DECIDE. that's why I'm sure there's scum on my wagon atm

[pieguyn]

on second thought, fuck this

claim: SK

. congrats you win

1. I was legitimately trying to scumhunt seeing as I have to eliminate all the mafia. which is why I'm more than sure a lot of the people wagoning me are scum. even though I'm technically "scum", my intentions were the same as town and I seriously have no fucking idea how the hell I managed to get a wagon on me if they didn't at least notice my vig crumb.
2. I'm claiming because paranoia that no one will believe me again and there's literally no way I can win anyway. plus there's only like 1 day till deadline and I legitimately wanna help town now that I can't win
3. I may or may not have x-shot or unlimited bulletproof. so gl killing me at night mafia
4. I'll let you all dictate who I shoot or you all can lynch me if you don't wanna bother. though there might be a bus driver or some shit so we better watch out for that
5. how was my play up till I claimed vig? :>

pls don't hate me Kdub ;w;

/hide in corner

[pieguyn]

I'm Rau Le Creuset

I pilot the Providence Gundam

I know that Mu La Flaga is in the game and he knows my character is in the game

I get informed whenever a. one of us targets the other, b. we target the same person in one day or night phase, or c. the same person targets us in one day or night phase. I don't get told exactly which one of those it is tho. flavorized as a mental link. I did some research on flavor so I kind of understand it o.o

I'm investigation immune flavorized as a "neutron jammer canceller"

I win when I'm alive and everyone else is dead or nothing can prevent that from happening

I forgot Mu La Flaga knows I'm in the game. it could explain why the hell people were pushing SK on me so hard

Damn I envy you, SK is like the only thing I've never been, wonder what it is like.

I sure as hell wasn't expecting to get SK either 0.0

[pieguyn]

my investigation immune works on anything that targets me directly

Damn I envy you, SK is like the only thing I've never been, wonder what it is like.

I was scared all game even though I knew my intentions were the same as town's =o=

aside from that felt oddly like being a regular townie. except you have to take extra care not to die like you're playing mafia ww

[pieguyn]

okay so lets suppose pie comes in and decides to come clean and offers full cooperation with town. who do we lynch with one day left at that point?

this is an open question to everyone pushing pie aswell.

Pie. I don't trust scum to keep their word.

leaving me alive benefits town

therefore, since you are opposed to it, you are scum

see how fun this is \:D/

unvote vote: DrD

[pieguyn]

and just how is that bad logic

looks like perfectly fine logic to me

@DrD: I'd be fine with a wayne lynch but IIRC no one's up for it

[pieguyn]

and just how does that have anything to do with what I said

plz take responsibility for your incorrect logic instead of BS'ing around like you've done all D1

[pieguyn]

that's not what I said at all

I made two statements that are unconditionally true and made a logical deduction directly from those two statements. completely different to what you said ~

plz get more mad because I'm helping your opposing faction

[pieguyn]

nice deflection there ~

[pieguyn]

hey kanye are you up for speedlynching wayne

after all I just proved him scum in just 2 sentences and then hit the nail on the head stopping his line of insane troll logic

[pieguyn]

@wayne: I fully intend to help town to the best of my ability as long as I'm alive. if I don't, then town can just speedlynch me immediately

which goes back to this

leaving me alive benefits town

therefore, since you are opposed to it, you are scum

see how fun this is \:D/

[pieguyn]

@waynegg: no I'm pretty sure logic shows you're scum

[pieguyn]

I'm pretty sure you're bad at this game pie

You get no arguments with me on my lynch, so what's the hold up Pie? Trying to find your balls?

hey he called me as scum D1 so let's just insult him and hope no one notices

to answer your question, still not enough support for a speedlynch on you

[pieguyn]

you conveniently missed the part where I fully claimed the flavor of my role

I know I can't make shit like that up, and if I'm really a bad player as you say, that should be even more obvious

you're changing your story around to save your ass, just like I was and you also accused me of doing

plus what happened to you giving up after you saw how town didn't wanna quicklynch me? doesn't seem like you really have that mentality after all

wanna lynch wayne now kanye

[pieguyn]

hey Majiffy guess what

the same logic that applied to waynegg can be applied to you too

looks like both of you are scum after all

see how fun this is \:D/

[pieguyn]

so wait who the hell should I shoot again

assuming I don't get lynched

[pieguyn]

give me a backup for WIFOM sake pls

I don't want to be completely vulnerable to a bus driver or some shit ;w;

[pieguyn]

To a scum faction, any town is an optimal kill

are you fucking serious

[pieguyn]

I'd be fine with the first one

but srsly those 3 choices sound good

I am fucking serious.

"any town" isn't an optimal kill. an optimal kill is either a PR or a really obvtown player

[pieguyn]

Oh and pie needs to be lynched with fire.

wow did I really catch 3 scum on d1

And what if one of those kills ends up being a PR? Mmkay then.

that's not "any town"

[pieguyn]

It doesn't help us.

you're right in that it doesn't help you

because you're scum

[pieguyn]

I love how the most fun I've had with this game was after I claimed SK. thx kanye <3

[pieguyn]

the whole point is, having multiple opposing factions alive helps town because they have a good chance to shoot each other

Majiffy and wanyegg and apparently you don't want this to happen because they're scum and they want to get rid of the person who can do what they do: kill

let the damn scum shoot each other so that town doesn't have to worry about them nk'ing all of them off

@Majiffy: now that I think about it, opposing scum is the optimal NK for scum, not "any town" like you claim

[pieguyn]

And if there are any scum redirectors or busdrivers we're giving scum two kills by keeping him alive.

exactly why I wanted more choicse for WIFOM

That's only if there are multiple factions. Are you confirming multiple factions?

lol wow stop reaching

multiball seems like a pretty decent assumption that's all

[pieguyn]

or we could leave me alive so I can shoot all your scumbuddies

which you obv don't want to happen

Will Pie ever win this game as SK?

exactly
I admitted defeat and am helping town

Majiffy is just pissed off because I'm helping his opposing faction

[pieguyn]

hell with all the hype about Kdub I wouldn't put it past him to put multiball with a SK at all

considering I've seen games with mafia+SK+vigilante

Who are you scumreads?
And nullreads?

not that it matters but

town: kanye, Beli, PV, Levi, Pyro, Sakura, NachoKoopa, talah, Nati
scum: AGar, Empking, Majiffy, Tius, waynegg
null" everyone else

[pieguyn]

Pie, you likely have too few scum if you're assuming multiball. I can't imagine only five scum in multiball.

this is the worst logic ever

my best guesses besides the 5 I posted would be any of my null reads: DrD, PV, Sven, DV, Wake. probably Sven, then DV, then DrD as the top 3

[pieguyn]

Wow this is just bad.

like I care what you think <3
the point is you're scum trying to get rid of the biggest threat to your faction

[pieguyn]

that's just natural ~
scum wants to kill the biggest threat to their faction. not to mention I've been scumreading all those people since near the start of the game, so this shit is exactly what I was expecting

[pieguyn]

A town-chained SK popping off townies is not a threat to a scum faction, it's a help.

it functions just like an extra lynch

[pieguyn]

my motivation is to kill whoever town wants me to kill

saying it's like an extra mislynch is like saying town will just mislynch the whole game

nice loaded questino and false logic

[pieguyn]

and by having me choose from a set of players, they can't do anything to stop my kill either

if they roleblock me then just by me being alive I'm using up their roleblock stopping them from blocking another role

[pieguyn]

No. You are misrepping the question.

You are faced with Tommy Who Looks Scummy versus Sam Who Is Actually Scum. What's your incentive to kill Sam over Tommy?

The logical SK kills Tommy and then blames the group for making him a choice at all.

Thus, unless all the options are scum, your actions will likely be manipulated to cause a town death.

what the fuck is this shit

you're literally implying I'm responsible for scum manipulating my kill around. you're also implying I know who's scum and who's not by knowing the difference between someone who just looks scummy and is actually scum

That's a roleblock. If they have something like a busdrive you're fucked.

me choosing from multiple people counters this

[pieguyn]

Seriously pie has been arguing this whole time from the perspective of

factional scum

, not

self-aligned SK

.
And his investigation-immune bit of his claim reeks of Godfather.

We need to be lynching him.

you're joking right

can we speedlynch this guy plz

[pieguyn]

However, let's just say that my role implies there is no bus driver in this game.

oh cool
so what's the holdup then

[pieguyn]

sorry for confusion, that was directed towards everyone who is lynching me now that their whole argument collapsed ~

[pieguyn]

holy wow

[pieguyn]

the mental link doesn't do anything. I just get a notification whenever any of those things happen

[pieguyn]

when everything is finalized plz give me a set of 2 or more players who I should kill, assuming I don't get lynched

or if you really want you can just give me one player but that's kind of hazardous

[pieguyn]

no don't vote me vote DrD if you wanna win

[pieguyn]

The SK may occasionally reveal... but day 1 doesn't seem like special circumstances. The SK wants to keep town and mafia to equal numbers. So I think that's why he's pushing for options

what the hell is this I don't even

[pieguyn]

yay I survived past D1

...I think

[pieguyn]

I shot AA9

the complete lack of other kills makes me think it's not multiball tho. which means I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the people going "hey this is multiball" were scum just trying to fuck with us

oh look, Majiffy was one of the people pushing multiball

vote: Majiffy

[pieguyn]

Wake are you even reading the thread
like srsly

[pieguyn]

I'm tempted to just ignore everything you post from now on

[pieguyn]

that was directed towards Wake

[pieguyn]

<3
so do you think this could still be multiball? if not how are you liking the chances there were scum was saying it was multiball, knowing it wasn't

[pieguyn]

well you obviously give enough of a damn to respond ~

scum: Majiffy, wayne, Wake, Titus (dayvig less likely if not multiball, still could be scum)

probably just need 1 more

[pieguyn]

doesn't change the fact that you apparently don't care if I'm ignoring you, but cared enough to post the above post

flailing scum is flailing

unvote vote: Wake88

[pieguyn]

holy wow

speaking of flailing, I've heard claiming with just one vote on you is the textbook definition of it

and not only that

Like even/odd night PRs? Not out of the realm of possibilities. I generally rank those in the same power level as x-shot PRs when I'm balancing my own setups.

Frankly, setup-spec isn't going to help us much with just a VT flip.

Considering I just got here, and assuming you're Town, is there anything you think I should know, please?

upon searching through your ISO, it appears you thought Majiffy was town. if you really are a town tracker, tell me why the flying fuck would you target Majiffy ever

your claim is bullshit, just like my vig claim was

did we really just catch two scum

[pieguyn]

still doesn't explain why the hell you claimed a relatively strong PR with only one vote on you

now that I look again, you were all for keeping me around when I claimed SK. and all of a sudden you decided against it?

We are being distracted by this internal strife within Town. We must lynch the Serial Killer today. Doing so, we give ourselves far more time to do what we do best. We become far more focused, too, instead of constant bickering over what to do with the SK.

You know what, guys? This is really, really simple.

1) We need a lynch. NOW.
2) NOT a mislynch.
3) We have a claimed SK.
4) It's in our win condition to kill Scum.
5) The IS risk in letting the SK live.

So, let's be wise.

VOTE: Pieguy

guess what triggered this change of heart? scum daychat/seeing all your teammates were trying to get me lynched and deciding to join them

and here's the other thing

No way Sakura.

As Town I have no interest in letting claimed Serial Killer stay alive. If he doesn't get lynched, you're all responsible for the fuck-up if he stabs to death Town members. I'm already making up my mind who I'm going to come for with torch and rope in the future should you all get away with this idiocy.

your whole mantra is apparently town shouldn't let the SK stay alive?

if that's the case, then
1. why were you, if you're really town, want to let me stay alive in the first place?
2. why are you apparenty "unsure" about Majiffy, who also wants me dead
3.

We are being distracted by this

internal strife within Town

. We must lynch the Serial Killer today. Doing so, we give ourselves far more time to do what we do best. We become far more focused, too, instead of constant bickering over what to do with the SK.

bolded goes against your whole idea of "town wants to get rid of SK"

and what kanye said

[pieguyn]

oops
first quote should be this

We can use him. Let's do.

[pieguyn]

wayne shut up and make a real vote :>

[pieguyn]

gj ignoring my case on you and then just deflecting people's attention onto lynching the SK ~

[pieguyn]

sure

unvote vote: Majiffy

[pieguyn]

you're hilarious

[pieguyn]

sven make a real vote

namely, Majiffy

[pieguyn]

Having the SK around is bad Townplay because it's dangerous, has cost us two Townies, could cost us more and maybe a PR, and the SK may not even exist but be a Mafioso pretending to be helpful SK. If Pie can lie about being vig, he can lie about being SK "looking to help." Also, if two Scum factions do exist and two NKs keep happening, we whittle down out precious Days. Also, if Town uses the supposed SK to unknowingly target an innocent Townie, like AA9, Scum is gonna be quite happy to see it through.

lol wow this isn't what you were thinking at all when I first claimed SK

can we speedlynch this guy plz

[pieguyn]

Lynching me with my claimed Tracker ability and knowledge of character flavor (and unlikeliness of fakeclaim material from Mod) makes me a poor choice for lynching. Pie is SK, and Majiffy has a discrepancy that merits inquiry.

hey guess what
my vig claim was just that: a fakeclaim the mod gave me. so this whole line of reasoning is BS

How about you shut up, shoot who we tell you and vote who we tell you and be thankful that we haven't lynched you yet.

Consider yourself to have a post restriction of "not posting words."

get more mad because your planned mislynch failed. I like ~

scum: Majiffy, waynegg, AGar, Wake, Titus(?)

[pieguyn]

yeah it is a mislynch because leaving me alive helps town

this is not hard to understand

[pieguyn]

instead of offering a huge argument as to why Majiffy is scum I'll make my point short and sweet ~

Playstyle, not alignment.

here you say my quote walls and responding to everything are playstyle

using spam-wall scum techniques,

now it's alignment? no
not to mention you've been doing the same thing

he accused me of using "spam-wall scum techniques", when he's provably done the same thing himself.

the contradiction indicates that he's just making up reasons to throw blame on me, and not genuinely forming arguments

Wake is also a great wagon

talah pls don't lynch me after our good times on D1 ;w;

waynegg I'm legitimately SK so there's no possibility of me making a slip. since you can't understand this, I'm going to assume you're scum. your attempt as scum to scumhunt for the other team is also noticed

[pieguyn]

Let's let your flip decide if you're factional scum or not. Your word doesn't mean shit.

obviously it means something that I killed exactly who everyone wanted me to

wow I guess I really did find all the scum already

[pieguyn]

SK + scum isn't multiball what the fuck are you talking about. multiball is 2 or more scumteams. thus, 1 scumteam with a SK is not multiball

wow are you serious right now

[pieguyn]

and just what do I have to gain by making my team waste their nightkill throughout the whole game

when they could instead bus me for a shitton of towncred, keeping in mind I'm bound to die eventually anyway

I've never considered one scumteam + a SK to be multiball. SK is an independent and not aligned with any particular faction besides him/herself.

[pieguyn]

</3

why don't we just lynch one of the people who's confusing the shit out of everyone then

[pieguyn]

</3

why don't we just lynch one of the people who's confusing the shit out of everyone then

<3

We are.

but I'm not

all the people who want me dead are ;w;

[pieguyn]

that'd be a good idea but I don't even think she had any scumreads ;w;

[pieguyn]

since I don't wanna be quicklynched without posting this

FINAL READS

these are all people who have provably contradicted themselves. I'm including the names and the contradictions

1. waynegg 1049

2. Wake88 2415. also thinks he has the right to disregard everything I say because "omg SK", which from a town perspective makes literally no sense. probably my strongest scumread atm

3. Majiffy 2516

4. Titus

@ pieguyn: I don't have a particularly strong opinion on Belisarius' vote for you. Only slight bug is that there's no follow up for it.

nope you're not getting away with this either

Belisarius voting to no-lynch in the RVS is a good way to avoid responsibility for his vote, which I've seen scum do in a recent game I played. In addition, I don't like that he votes waynegg for poor reasoning - it seems like on the surface scumhunting and not legitimate.

Vote: Belisarius

points out it's suspicious when Belisarius votes waynegg for poor reasoning

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pieguyn

I dinnae like yer attempt to distance yerself from yer shit logic once it's conclusive proven to be shit

this is the same thing, voting me for poor "logic". on top of that we throw in there this was all a misunderstanding about actually using this "logic" to scumhunt and it's obvious just by reading the thread what happened. but this one isn't suspicious? IMO, this just implies you're BS'ing.

this one is fking weird because I doubt there'd be a scum dayvig if it's not multiball. but it's still a possibility

my best guess would be 5. Empking, just because of the way he's playing. he seems really flying under the radar and the point he liked best about majiffy's case on me was contradictory, indicating that he cares more about blending in than actual reasoning. there might be a 6th one but who cares

if I somehow survive I may change these

[pieguyn]

I'm fine with that

I just wanted a pool just in case mafia wanted to fuck with me via bus driver/some other redirection role, but looking back I'm not sure if that's very likely to happen anymore

[pieguyn]

Yeah that response us a "whatever I have to do to survive post" rather than a help town perspective. Intent to hammer Pie.

mafia fucking with me is anti-town. thus, that perspective is pro-town

[pieguyn]

now that I think about it, what you were doing makes no sense at all

it looks like a way to declare intent to hammer without looking opportunistic

[pieguyn]

sure

vote: Svenskt

[pieguyn]

Sakura

, Pie's response was self preservationist because she pretty much said to me, "I will

shoot

within one target but I would rather have a pool so I can always hit town."

plz tell me where the flying fuck I ever said that. wow you and your teammates are reaching really hard to get me lynched

[pieguyn]

Sorry Empking. You were.

@Pie, it should be clear my quote was a paraphrase of how I viewed your response rather than verbatim quote of 2659.

and I'm asking why the hell you think I would be fine with shooting from a single person if my intention really is to always hit town. it doesn't make any sense

[pieguyn]

exactly

my survival does nothing but help town. and I wanted a pool in order to stop any redirection or planning on scum's part, since if scum knows exactly who I hit they can plan around that. nice misrep there, plus the fact that you're so against my survival seals it

[pieguyn]

and just so you don't go saying "omgomg town's wincon needs to get rid of you therefore you cannot survive", there's nothing stopping them from lynching me close to endgame. the point is, at the current moment my survival helps town

[pieguyn]

exactly why I'd be fine with just a single target. if you're srsly worried about shit like that then just give me one person to shoot. no matter which choice I pick, you're spinning it as anti-town. shit logic like that comes from scum who's trying to get rid of the biggest threat to their faction

[pieguyn]

"One shot. Sure I've got nothing to hide." would have been an acceptable answer.

except mafia can plan around that and frame me, not to mention I intend to make more than one shot

"I refuse to be restrained in any way. If not, lynch me." This is sticking to your guns.

no it's cause I legitimately don't know if one person or a pool with more than one person is better, so I want town to decide for me

Rather, you just basically have a pattern of survivalist appeasement. Bad. Suggests you'll stab us in the back if it gets you another week.

this is the kind of shit people were saying before N1

[pieguyn]

honestly that just looks like you struggled to make up answers because I called out exactly what you were doing

[pieguyn]

Why is it refusing to play the game? The SK must be lynched, it prevents a worst case scenario,

and gives us plenty of information to work with regarding who was for it and who was against it.

I didn't make up those answers. They would have been acceptable to me. Funny, it seems like you're the one who has no ability to comprehend why people wouldn't trust you. Any answer that doesn't trust you, you label as a scum answer.

Do you really think all seven people voting to lynch you are scum?

let's quicklynch this guy

vote: Titus

[pieguyn]

Why is it refusing to play the game? The SK must be lynched, it prevents a worst case scenario, and gives us plenty of information to work with regarding who was for it and who was against it.

It doesn't give any information. Both alignments have reason to want the SK lynched. The only way it gives info is if pie is

not

the SK.

yeah speaking of that note how Titus's whole mantra is "lynch the SK"

so he's not even considering that I might not really be SK. guess why? cause his scumteam has 5-6 people on it and therefore he knows it's not multiball

[pieguyn]

are you sure Nati

I'll believe you if you're not scum

[pieguyn]

vote: Leviathan

[pieguyn]

but I wanna be a vampire too

can I be a vampire w

[pieguyn]

Lastly - Pie, what level of flavour did you give for your Vig claim (a post link or quote would be good) and how was the fake claiming handled? As specifically as you can without breaking rules please.

Latez.

basically I got an entirely separate role PM with the character/suit/role in it just like a regular role PM. all the flavor and stuff was in there

here's the claim btw v

fuck all this shit

claim: Dearka Elsman

I pilot the Buster Gundam. I'm a Vigilante, during night phases I can kill another player. flavorized as a hyper-impulse long-range sniper rifle.

also I breadcrumbed this role in the first serious post I made. the first letters of the lines in the first and last part spell "vig"

can we lynch Majiffy now plz

[pieguyn]

well yeah

[pieguyn]

bc i would get lynched if i did

[pieguyn]

what the fuck no

that was Kalimar/Titus. I claimed nightvig

[pieguyn]

Okay

So you are a claimed night vig, that has since then claimed sk.

Why did you claim sk?

cause everyone knew I was the sk anyway /

[pieguyn]

it was fking obvious

I'd say the kill pool for tonight is

{Empking, ArcAngel9, Majiffy, DeasVail}

I was using this kill pool
it was already agreed since like ages ago that I'd shoot whoever town wanted

[pieguyn]

3 for 3 misreps. your first quote only applies after I killed someone saying things I could make up to explain it. my quote is trying to plan aroudn anything that might go wrong

as expected from waynescum :>

[pieguyn]

so you seriously think it's not multiball and I'm inconveniencing every single scum in the game by letting town control their NKs

fkin wow I knew you were scum

[pieguyn]

pedit then get back on the wagon Sven and stop derping out!

exactly why sven is scum :>

[pieguyn]

so you seriously think it's not multiball and I'm inconveniencing every single scum in the game by letting town control their NKs

fkin wow I knew you were scum

When you get to choose from like 25% of the freaking alive player base that isn't much of a leash nor is it likely to be inconvenient to scum in the slightest. A pool that size is due to have plenty of town in it, and when scum decides to go off the ranch on who to kill, they just throw you under the bus. YOUR LOGIC SUCKS PIE. YOU SHOULD STOP TRYING TO MAKE SENSE. On second thought, keep digging that hole!

are you even reading the thread

pedit then get back on the wagon Sven and stop derping out!

exactly why sven is scum :>

First Majiffy is scum for pushing you (catching you out actually)

Then I am (and now you're trying to appeal to me)

Then Titus is (even though that's the most conftown slot in the game)

Then Sven is

You know what? I see a pattern here.

okay so lets suppose pie comes in and decides to come clean and offers full cooperation with town. who do we lynch with one day left at that point?

this is an open question to everyone pushing pie aswell.

Pie. I don't trust scum to keep their word.

leaving me alive benefits town

therefore, since you are opposed to it, you are scum

see how fun this is \:D/

[pieguyn]

as expected from waynescum :>

Missed this. Now I'm scum again...go figure...

Neither you nor anyone else has EVER seen waynescum. Only glimpses of what waynescum

might

look like.

pedit yeah, more of your sucklogik...

there's always a first time

[pieguyn]

no wrong make a real vote
e.g. Levi

[pieguyn]

NachoKoopa
Empking
Belisarius
Pyrotechnics

do these people ever post

[pieguyn]

vote: Empking

[pieguyn]

@Pyro: given the assumption that me being alive helps town, it's not in town's best interest for me to elaborate

[pieguyn]

wait what the fuck happened

just earlier the thread had 110 pages

now it has 130

and I somehow didn't even realize it

what

the

fuck

just

happened

[pieguyn]

Anyway im off for now, this game has been giving me a headache.

it just now started to give you a headache? @_@

[pieguyn]

wow lol

1. bus driver
2. redirector
3. multiple abilities at the same time
4. etc.

quit reaching

[pieguyn]

Is this what usually happens when a 3rd party claims and declares intent to work with town

[pieguyn]

or we could stop going "omgomg lynch the SK" and actually scumhunt

[pieguyn]

or we could stop going "omgomg lynch the SK" and actually scumhunt

why aren't you all doing this

[pieguyn]

no you just need to do this

or we could stop going "omgomg lynch the SK" and actually scumhunt

easy enough right

[pieguyn]

I personally don't see her as a complex manipulative player to have many layers so I feel she is town. I know I'm town, so I think we are both town. =P unless she's scum and playing me, but I sincerely HIGHLY doubt it. =P

you don't know her
<_< >_>
/runs

[pieguyn]

do I have to read the last 10 pages or can I be lazy

[pieguyn]

someone answer my question ww

[pieguyn]

and yeah I have investigation immune

[pieguyn]

I could but all I'll get is 10 pages of "omgomg lynch the SK" "no" "you're an idiot" etc. etc. ad nauseam ad nauseam

[pieguyn]

you should trust me because I've done exactly what town has wanted so far, and I intend to continue doing the same

and what Nati said

[pieguyn]

...That, I don't know. So many things could go wrong. That, and that would make me look inconsistent. I'd be more comfortable having a known Scum killed first, because Empking may be Town, or maybe even a Town PR. Lynching a confirmed Scum rather than an unknown makes more sense.

...however, maybe we can compromise. If you vote with us to lynch the Serial Killer, I'll lend you my vote on Empking's wagon Day 3 provided Empking is given at least 15 days during that time to defend himself.

First: It's pretty obvious to me everyone has a power role this game(anyone want to prove me wrong?), so that point is pretty null. I, personally, will not fault you on being "inconsistent" if you so choose, but I obviously don't speak for everyone else. I'm sure you've probably answered this, but on a % scale, how likely do you think Empking is to be town?

I cannot agree to any course that kills Pie today--I distinctly want him alive to get a shot off tonight.

what hte hell

there were 3 vanilla townie flips and everyone has a PR? @_@

[pieguyn]

oh right personal abilities don't get revealed hurrdurr

[pieguyn]

Wake continues to claim that pieguy is mafia.
But doesnt offer scum motivation behind the AA9 kill.
Yet admits that AA9 was the easy lynch.
So there's even less scum motivation to kill AA9 since leaving her alive would have earned town an easy mislynch.

Go through the head of what motivation would kill AA9 during the night... oh right a town vig, who eliminates scum, easy mislynches, hindrances.

If you still wanna kill pie after it's been proven he wants to work with town idk what's wrong with you.

that's why wake is mafia
thx for explaining better than I ever could

[pieguyn]

...LOL

[pieguyn]

are you fkin serious right now

[pieguyn]

so your ability was fake?

don't toy with my emotions like that plz

[pieguyn]

what the hell is going on i don't even

[pieguyn]

Basically pie... they want you dead tomorrow, regardless of whether you hit correctly or not. NICE REWARD!

If i was pie right now i'd totally be vigging the towniest town tonight in spite for such a compromise.

Like seriously, you arent even giving him motivation to shoot correctly.

yeah the plan was
1. I shoot whoever town wants
2. town keeps me alive as long as possible

why can't we just do that

I blame all the scum on my wagon for this being forgotten and the game exploding

[pieguyn]

wake are you even paying attention

I'll answer for you
no you're not

[pieguyn]

why the hell would I shoot like the one person I know in this game

especially when she's been defending me this whole time

[pieguyn]

Let's lynch pie today, and lynch me tomorrow.

how about we lynch you today so I can shoot another scum and give town a good advantage going into D3

[pieguyn]

I have to eat dinner now brb

I'll be praying the thread doesn't have 20 more pages by the time I get back

[pieguyn]

I'm surprised pie isnt voting wake yet

hi

vote: Wake