Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: beautyandthebeast

Obviously the beast of the game

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^

Agreed.

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24 hours and it is from page 1 to page 31

Damn it.

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I skimmed the whole 700 page of wall


nacho town

freezerguy town

orc town

vassoon town

beautybeast town

mac town

tiphaine scum

sven troll

[Metal Sonic]

EBWOP: 700 posts of wall

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2 also town, forgot to add u

P-edit no i am not going to vote someone, yet

[Metal Sonic]

varsoon seems town to me

strong evidence but not strong enough, orc

i withhold my vote for now

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god damn 16 pages in 8 hours



varsoon still town

cabd quite town

ghostlin leaning town


rach town

sajin leaning town

aj the epic leaning scum

broseidon leaning scum too i guess

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@Metal: Do you have any reason for your anything? You've posted 0 in the way of thoughts so far.

I'll give reasons after the posting dies down. 50 pages(1000+ posts) in 72 hours, please no its torturous



2 getting scummier

aj leaning town now

ghostlin town

mac stil town

reverend a+ slip contradiction strong

beast leaning town

andrius town

also good luck with reading john or whoever had to read 50 pages

cabd and guy in freezer very town right now

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okay only 2 players i can answer that

cabd is extra town imo because his comments are helpful and opinions justified. also his avatar is cool

aj hasn't displayed anything scummy as of yet that I can see, so he will be a null-town until i can read him further but nothing extremely incriminating that I picked up on as of yet.

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^Pre iso


I iso'd cabd and aj right now,

realised cabd had more fluff than originally thought there was, but still town

aj is a lot more helpful than i thought. upgraded to town

iso tiphaine now

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ok i just iso'd tiphaine

except for #901
the rest of his posts are shit

yep scum

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

[Metal Sonic]

well this guy has a pretty bad name

i'll iso him

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TMT is a null-leaning-town

except for his atrocious name

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12:17 A.M (I'll Iso Tiphaine)
12:18 A.M (Ok, I just isoed tiphaine)

Yeah, no.

vote metal sonic

go iso yourself and see if it doesnt take 1 minute

[Metal Sonic]

Lesson of the week: Never replace into a game with 57 pages at Day 1


@Nacho maybe you should iso tiphainedeath its terrible

help me understand why he's on your town list(and I, not)

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MS and the infamous minute read.

readiing MS' ISO the only thing that strongly stands out as questionable is doing TD's ISO and reporting back in a minute. I guess technically it could have been something close to two minutes and we'd be none the wiser with timestamps. Tiphaine's ISO at that point was almost do-able for me, but post 901 slowed me down. And...MS's case was "all fluff except for 901".

tempted to say the iso is a little too much ado over not much. Nothing stands out as strongly townish or even strong content of any sort in his observations/interactions to date. Not in my town pile.

- f

there we go

i bet none of u even tried to iso TD i mean seriously pulling shit out of your mouth

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if you had really isod him instead of "hey man isos arent so fast even if its a 5 page children's book with shitton of pictures!"

you'd realise it only takes a minute

[Metal Sonic]

yeah i saw you iso him

pretty funny

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but nacho and cabd makin up shit so yeah

td can go iso himself

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3 hours and only just 1 post

we're making progress!

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andrius town

broseidon leaning town

ghoslin leaning town

2, nacho varsoon cabd strong town

[Metal Sonic]

^

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let's talk Metal Sonic.

Please do. I also want to see some talk about me

nacho's case on me is very interesting

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beast i find 2 town too

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once the posting slows down

i will be happy

[Metal Sonic]

I strongly believe Varsoon for town.

Rev, back off

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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Your demonic glee at Varshoon's gambit and trying to lead Town indicate two things to me:

2) You're glad to see Varshoon fail at this.

I choose 2



Anyway, I believe varsoon's vanilla claim. Firstly, there is no reason NOT to believe it. Do you think the scum is retarded to pull such a , I would say, gambit? Unlikely. He is lying or he isn't. Why must people always assumes he lies?



Next, his posts are not 'just go with the with the flow'. He has independent reads(somewhat), and thinks for himself and puts forth his own useful views which are very helpful for discussion. Towntells.

And then, he is able to attack players with no fear, something you all should agree is a town tell; I mean he is not afraid of getting seen as scum or gets extra defensive(Read: KBW) or whatever. Town tell.

Lastly, his posts are interesting, to say the least. One more reason to keep him in the game.




@Ghostlin, I think he meant "Scum Tell", not scum slip. Agreed its a <strong> scumtell but indeed is not scumslip.


P-Edit: yeah beast is kinda town too

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also just a heads up for all of you

i had meta with Keybladewielder before,

he's a bad player

please take note

[Metal Sonic]

^wont work

he's really bad

[Metal Sonic]

also just a heads up for all of you

i had meta with Keybladewielder before,

he's a bad player

please take note

Metal, it's weird that I'm awake at 4 AM.
Weirder is that we're on the same page.
I didn't even see this in P-EDIT.


I'd like to know the same from you. Your posts have been pretty light on content up to this point and I feel like you've got a very powerful few points to make, but that a lot of players doubt you/put you in scum piles based on the content and articulation of what you've posted so far. Could you please explain your current scum-reads, and let us know who you think is definitely/most likely town. Also, if you have any questions for me, this is a good time to pitch them, as we're both online.

Ultimately, I feel like you could be town, but I want to hear a lot more from you before I can verify that. You've been playing a somewhat shy hand so far, and if you're gonna be town, you gotta expose yourself and open up.

Yeah you're absolutely right.

My current scum read:Tiphaine Death.

I've stated all this earlier on in the thread, but I'll restate it just for refreshment.

his iso is really really bad.

Lets do some analysis. The first few(5) posts were given the benefit of the doubt thanks to "RVS"

I have mentioned previously, the one passable post of his is #901

Ok, I'm back, I am going to explain this to you all one more time and if you can't figure out the bloody obviousness of it all I'm going to give up because you're all a bunch of bloody dumbfucks.

Fact the first: I have never been in a game where scum fake claim miller early. After an investigation, sure, but I have never seen the gambit actually happen.
Fact the second: Nacho voting sven for his miller claim felt horribly opportunistic because of fact one.
Fact the third: When Nacho presented me evidence that this kind of thing does in fact occur, occurred in a game he was in, and is not a myth perpetuated to gain mislynches I FOUND THIS "INTERESTING" AND REMOVED MY VOTE.
Fact the fourth: The way sven is playing out this miller claim is not town. His multiple if I was scum if I was town posts really ping the scumdar for me, thus I voted him. I completely disagree with the stated fact that any miller claim creates wifom, that's bullshit.
Fact the fifth: This game moved so fast that when I got back from rehearsal last night I saw much more than I expected, some votes on me, and was already under an awful lot of outside the game pressure. This is not an excuse for that terrible post, merely an explanation.

Now that I'm done yelling at the people voting me, maybe I can worry about the rest of this stupid thread.

I'll admit to some amount of skimming here, I'm doing my best to read it all, but honestly a day and a half for this much is not reasonable. My best work comes from re-reads anyway so I'll work with what I've got for now. Aside from the sven scumishness two things stand out to me from the rest of this, post number 588, and 742.

588 screams scum at me. I don't know if this is completely true, see aformentioned skimming, but it feels like ghostlin is rehashing a bunch of points other people have made to make them look like his own thoughts. do not like this.

742 on the other hand earns my vote. We have self centered, wifom based, wagon hopping. If that isn't a bloody scumtell I don't know what is. And if you call omgus on me so help me I will reach throught he computer and punch you in the nose. You do not get to get off with that kind of bull because you happen to be voting the guy who caught you at it.

Vote Varsoon

The whole post is anti-Sven, a fair attack in fact. The weird part is when he votes you instead of sven. As a wonderfully nice player who views everyone as innocent unless guilty(contrary a few irritating players on the site), I will give him the benefit of the doubt

Here comes the fluff

Town rage by 2.

Classic backing down in response to reverse pressure, lynch this scum please.

I will not lurk X_X.

No actually varsoon if you had continued to push me after that post of mine I would have felt much less certain of my read on you.

See when I specifically tell you doing something would be omgus, i.e something generally considered anti town and bad, if you are willing to do it anyway that probably means your read is real and you honestly believe me to be scum. When I confront you with that obvious setback and you drop it, it feels like either your read was weak in the first place or your read was fake. I'm going for option two here.

Your sarcasm tastes like foot, and an iso confirms :/.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Ghostlin

His catchup posts feel like they are all made of sheeping other people already stated opinions. Don't like it.

BLABLABLA


UP TILL MY ISO

12:17 A.M (I'll Iso Tiphaine)
12:18 A.M (Ok, I just isoed tiphaine)

Yeah, no.

vote metal sonic

YEAH, NO!

here's more

I feel ignored X_x.

I wish I could say the same of you, unfortunately you only come across as moronic so I have to keep my vote on "1minuteiso-sonic".

^I died^

I can't do this any more.

You get the point

Lets skip to the fun part

Third paragraph of 1785 is a scum claim.

He's making himself sound unthreatnening, pandering to town interest, after forgetting that his counterpart claimed tracker/miller he is now making sure that all take notice. There is just so much subtle deflection in this post it does the opposite for me.

The paragraphs above are saying wifom is ok and not a big deal while at the same time inspiring a whole load of it is also bad. These kind of tactics are the same i often use as scum to great effect, thus I can spot them.

"happy to try" "Prove my alignment" "curious" these words are still in the, "look at me I am a happy team playing townie" vein of speech. While maintaining the stance that he's not angry at anyone who thinks he is scum.

1793 is more of the same.

"Simply hoping you'd save me the bother"
"form my own read"

Every word out of this mans mouth is trying so damned hard to be town he cannot possibly be.

I am completely certain that MS is scum, however given that no on else is I'll lift my vote on him to vote reverend, I maintain that anytime anyone wants to vote ms I'll be right there with them.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: reverend

More anti-sven, but then he comes up with a extra "MS is scum" at the back. Way to detract from the main point(again). That's a scumtell, as if trying to take less responsibility for his sven vote. Bussing?



Ok and then the rest are all shit

I've already explained my townread on two

,

You DID NOT!!!!!

if I have time today I'll go reread him and give you something more substantial.

Wow, just wow.

vote varsoon

I hereby formally apologize rev, I think I was wrong about you.

Wow just fucking wow!!!!!

Wow, just wow varsoon.

This is the case against tiphaine death. 99% fluff, the remaining 1% is scumtell-ish

so yes

WOW FUCKING WOW

[Metal Sonic]

EBWOP: "As a wonderfully nice player who views everyone as innocent unless guilty(contrary a few irritating players on the site), I will give him the benefit of the doubt"

referring to me btw

[Metal Sonic]

As for town,

I've already mentioned (multiple times)

Varsoon, Cabd, Nachomamma, GuyinFreezer for strong town

2, ghostlin, beauty, orc, andrius, mac, for town/probtown

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my oh my that indeed was pretty immature of me

I apologise to KeyBladeWielder for the personal attack

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Varsoon: question:


Why do you decide to change your play style?

Claiming vanillager is suspect at best, but I'm sure you do not do this every game(pulling this shit assumption out of my mouth, but yeah)

Why do you choose this style of play for this game?

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Varsoon: question:


Why do you decide to change your play style?

Claiming vanillager is suspect at best, but I'm sure you do not do this every game(pulling this shit assumption out of my mouth, but yeah)

Why do you choose this style of play for this game?

Oh, I decided awhile ago that I'm claiming my alignment in every game I play.
It'll give me laughs and it'll be really funny whenever I finally roll scum and claim it immediately.
Of course, for the people who can't fathom why I'd do it, they WIFOM all over the place.
It's fun to watch people doubt you, when you're telling the truth. They'll scream and shout and run circles all because of one little truth.
You've seen how that's been in this game, neh? It's telling of alignments, I feel. It lets me get better reads on folks when I can say a truth and others foam at the mouth over it.

What is interesting is that you're quick to call me vanilla here and otherwise. I never claimed VT. Just said my role wasn't very cool.
For this game, I'm taking a bit of a hybrid approach. I'm pushing the buttons of players I know how to pressure, and I'm sussing out a few reads for myself and for others.
I don't think I've done a lot of work for town, unless they read my interactions and interpretations as confirming a few townies in.
I'd like to get a lynch in before the day ends, so I'll be a bit less fluff-posty, I suppose.

Not so fun when I actually ever get lynched lol. But yes I understand exactly how you work.

I have to go, but I'm impressed

But youre already town so

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me me me me, quick before TD walls me

Alright, the first step, then.

This'll be easier with you than most other players, actually.


I want a full claim from you, including the flavor paragraph and character that you are.
This shouldn't be hard, since you already claimed and all that.

Alright, whatever. I'll maybe take your anti-town comments on board if you flip town. Maybe. I still think you're scum, I find it strange that you're not applying any pressure on me. I'd expect townies to be extremely wary of me, because of my tracker modifier. Mollie is on the ball when she worries about a scum tracker. Like I said earlier, town thought process. Scum know I'm miller. Townies do not know. You don't seem to be interacting with me in a way that makes me believe you don't know what my role is. Therefore, I think you're scum. So my vote stays.

You inherited my read on svenskt, which went to pretty strong town when he replaced out. Prior to that I was willing to wait a day and see how my read shaped up. Our vote is on someone we agree looks scummy.

- f

Wait, wait, wait.
How does scum know he's miller?
Because, as far as I know, scum would only know who other scum is.
I guess he means that scum can infer that he's miller because they know he's town and he claimed miller?
Still, blah, I had a townread on sven and I'm way less sure about Rev.

I recommend paraphrasing the shit out of that stuff because mod kill. Also, suggest you guys check with bork before proceeding.

- f

Doesn't work if he paraphrases.
It -should- be rules legal, given that he's not taking a screen-cap, etc.
Because there's nothing that lets us know if he's 100% quoting the PM, right?


P-Edit:

Ah well.
My idea was to counterclaim with my PM, minus role, and then third parties could confirm that the rhetoric fits, etc.
/shrug
It -would- work if it was rules legal, but I guess not.

Makes me think--in a Lylo situation, all players could quote their role PMs directly, and the one guy who isn't modkilled is the scum, because he would have to lie or be modkilled. Then again, I guess if everyone is modkilled, there's no one to lynch the remaining scum.

This shit is legit

Not exactly scummy though, but worth a laugh

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read half an hour ago


half an hour later i forgot what i wanted to post


i just have a message for 2

buldermar, please dont be prejudiced and denounce me scum

even your partner does not have such strong feelings, ffery could you help me a bit here to explain to b thanks

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b

show me an example of a game in which I have played that has 2240 posts within the first week.


we adjust to the times bro! you cant meta like that, its unfair comparison

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Fyi these are

my

current reads. Mollie and I share on a few.

Scum
{² , Aj The Epic, Andrius, BROseidon, Cabd, Tiphane, Varsoon}

Town
{dntfkingcare, Ghostlin, GuyInFreezer, MS, Orci, Rach, Sajin, Nacho}

Null
{Keybladewielder, Mac, Rev, TMTOLBTWNTOF}

for town I have nacho, mac, orc, rev, rach, sajin, ghostlin, venny, varsoon and td.

unsure on andy. more dancing required.

for scum I have: 2, aj, metal, cabd and tmt

wondering if there are 5 scum.

Also these are my general reads.

Town but Mollie strongly disagrees and my read is just gut so technically scum ish I guess.
{², Aj The Epic}

Town
{Venmar, GIF, SAD, MS, Orci, Rach, Sajin, Reverend, Nacho, Varsoon}

Scum
{Andrius, BROseidon, Cabd, TD}

Still not sure
{Ghostlin, Mac. TMTOLBTWNTOF}

Why the heck are different hydra heads giving opposite reads on me this is just the weirdest ever

Majiffy reads me town Mollie reads me scum

F reads me town b reads me scum


oh please

[Metal Sonic]

"one minute iso is scummy"

"reading fast is scummy"

fuck off, those are null tells like seriously you should not be reading me worse than null even I would read myself null/town from outside perspective

[Metal Sonic]

WHY IS MELIA A VANILLA?????????????????????????????????????/


bork what is this flavor mismatch

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ON topic:

Bleh, I misread 2

good job Bnb, you were still on my town list still so meh

2 was degraded from town to leaning town, just before the lynch

oh and reverend wasn't lying! #1

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No fucking way waynegg would be scum and forget mac is dead. He'd have read the shit out of his quicktopic. Twice for good measure.

Townslip

It might have been on purpose



Sajin, put it into credit for me kthx

I may need to re-iso aj again

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MS continues to post like shit, can we kill him now please?

vote MS

Fuck off

VOTE: TD

[Metal Sonic]

iso'd AJ


I find AJ leaning town.

This is a rather town post

Also not a fan of TD for reasons that have been stated already, but also kind of iffy on AJ for tunneling TD so hard. Both are scummy, but they probs aren't scum together. AJ, do you have thoughts about the rest of what has been going on?

Besides a lot of the content is fickle as all hell?

You have a town v town when Mollie first brings her hydra in against 2.
Nacho is the town-Venmar this game.
Orcinus is running in fucking circles at the moment. Varsoon is running in ovals. Varsoon was way too quick to back off his case for Orc, but even stranger is that Orc didn't hammer on Varsoon for completely disregarding orc after about 4 posts (even though he went through all that trouble for an incredibly long wall). Even worse, Orc backs off his own vote.

To be honest, I've learned from past that orc can have his say, but don't give him too much weight. It can result in catastrophe. So even considering him a 'town leader' (What, by posts? Definitely not by flips...) is presumptuous, Varsoon.

Mac is his general passive self, but that's not going to help this day.

Sven can easily be any allignment he wants to be. Give me the guilty results I want as a tracker and I'll consider your claim legitimate... Maybe. A miller doesn't usually have a secondary role. It sounds like a bail out of a wagon.

Town: 2, B&B, Nacho, BRO, Andrius, GIF

Scum: TD, prob-sven, lean varsoon, lesser lean orc.

Promoting discussion, giving reads on players, justifying his reads/votes. But its the beginning of the game so it may not be so relevant I will find a more recent post

Varsoon is just an odd person to read. For a while, it looked like he was being legitimately scummy (especially when he made that long case against orc and immediately unvoted), but then it was let on that he has a slight troll streak going. Reading his posts as an intent to troll makes more sense anyways.

I WANT to call orc scum, but he's just a general AtE player. I dislike his constant use of emotion, but that's more standard. His MS voting at the beginning was awful and his attacking Varsoon was backed off too early when he should've pressed forward. But otherwise, there's been nothing to give me more than casual passing glances of suspicion.

2 is much more interesting. I've liked Buldermar's posting, but fferyllt seems scummy. Fferyllt asks a lot of questions and seems more or less passive and under the radar while Buldermar goes out and tries to push points. Just by their style, Buldermar makes statements to prove points, FF asks questions as a way of hunting, but doesn't push it beyond. Buldermar attacks, no matter how he makes others feel. Surprisingly, when FF comes on and sees tmt's reads, she doesn't mention anything to it in her quote other than it's 'good to see him posting'. The "That's all but a confirmed slot" from FF, even off of meta is bad. Something is rotten in the state of Xenoblade, and I think FF may not be hiding it all that well.

p-edit: Stop it, stop it, stop it... I want to post!

This is very helpful posting, detailed reads and views on each on the viable wagons and i consider this very towny posting. its very logical, and when you consider his in context i doubt there is scum motivation for such a post


really good posts = town i guess

[Metal Sonic]

why is nacho posting weird stuff about andy

[Metal Sonic]

rach marie you are very very right

i will slow down my reading

also td is most probably bad for the town so if he flips town later at least he wont spoil some lynch or something !

[Metal Sonic]

if aj is town i will eat my hat

and since when did you start town reading me lmao

You may want some hot sauce or something with that

eat it now

[Metal Sonic]

also

Vote: sajin

i have some reasons which i may double check later

[Metal Sonic]

also, lets discuss the 3 kills at night

[Metal Sonic]

>day 1's lynch: 999 posts (more than that LOL!)

day 2 and 3's lynch: 9 posts




over compensate

[Metal Sonic]

I'm town, you shit. And if anyone protected me, they wasted their protection. So, we're either playing with idiots or

you are scum.

If a cop actually found a clean/guilty on you

that would make things a lot easier

but they are afraid of nightkills



haha look at TD holy shit

i'd love to vig him but i got better targets

[Metal Sonic]

claim what claim? did i claim

[Metal Sonic]

yes ok

vote:varsoon

nobody in their right mind would claim like that

[Metal Sonic]

^

why do i claim 1 shot vig when i havent used my shot

[Metal Sonic]

^

why do i claim 1 shot vig when i havent used my shot

^Scum claim.

thats the point

ignore whatever i claimed

[Metal Sonic]

Okay what on earth is this metal sonic wagon

This seems so weird

orc tunnels the fuck out of Metal Sonic until a wagon actually forms on him. Then there's this.

Rach has a similar reaction!

umm Orc i really have no clue why the MS wagon... could be a counterwagon? Especially if there are two scum teams....

Both seem like they are defending a scumbuddy.

ofc im mecha sonic

who would have known???

[Metal Sonic]

GiF I can't apply the same principles to and have no experience playing with. I find it odd all the Cop crumbs he seems to have laid down, yet says he's not Cop. A little help here would be nice. Everyone else comes up town. I was very surprised that MetalSonic came up town because I was sold on him being scum. So much so I read his full ISO three times. At the end of the day, though, town he is.

VOTE TIPHANEDEATH

i kind of reiterated that the whole time i was playing here


well, glad someone sees the light

will check out your fancy link, I probably can lie my way out of that but I've never really seen my scum meta yet

[Metal Sonic]

also GiF I've been dying to ask you


where's your avatar from?

[Metal Sonic]

I love you

thanks

[Metal Sonic]

spinach you provide good links

Liked



TD more likely you're the one who is stupid/scum but ok!

[Metal Sonic]

i dont think SAD's extra plus lurking is ground for him scum, much less blue


however! nacho is pretty scummy yeah I definitely agree on that one

#3537, SAD not responding is pretty mundane, but nacho not responding as an active player is indeed a cause for concern

[Metal Sonic]

oh hiiiiiii welcome back


thanks for the instant reply with triple servings of fluff!


I'm pretty sure that majestic appearance will make you sound like the town cook!!!

[Metal Sonic]

*bad posts + instant lurking = scum sandwich

[Metal Sonic]

cutie arrows

[Metal Sonic]

oh yay discussion about me <3

nacho, 2-scum-fferylit was also able to iso TD quite fast, why have you never taken that into account?

hydra dissonance within their red team is highly unlikely, so its unlikely i'm on red

and then if so, rach and orcinus talking about me so blatantly in the thread if i was a scumpartner is also unlikely, so its also unlikely im on blue


but i indeed am mecha sonic, not metal scum <- different

[Metal Sonic]

it comes immediately after he drops the TD read and Ghostlin votes Sajin, meaning that it's sheepy and he's trying to get away from the him-TD slapfight, which isn't good

of course i get away from a slap fight

TD slapfight makes brain cells die

look at his arguments for me(already highlighted previously by waynegg) and they arent even valid

and then he throws shit on everyone and calls them stupid


i'd get away asap

[Metal Sonic]

And I think that SAD should be the first lynch because I'm extremely confident that he's scum.

Bullshit. You can't possibly have that strong of a read on me when I'm barely posting (yes... I admit it, trying my best to look at this game any chance I could though...). Anyway, though, if you really think I'm not posting enough or w/e, I think town you would try to pressure me to post more or just to engage something or ask questions. Instead, you camp a vote and yell every once in a while "Oh yeah lynch SAD". Pathetic. Don't really see you as trying to figure out my alignment as much as just trying to push a mislynch.

Vote: Nacho

Still willing to vote TD or MS.

^I'm pretty sure this is legit, prior to him triple posting insta lurker bad posts


prior to that I got a null read, but after 3-post-scum-sandwich its a scum read as you say

[Metal Sonic]

Do you not think if I'm scum I would actually BS a reason and lay a vote so I look like I have reads instead of when people look back they see I haven't voted once? Hahaha your tunnel vision is hilarious.

when nacho called you out in the thread you suddenly appeared from a super long 1 or 2 week "lurk spree" to hastily post up some defense which nacho just explained why it was bad?


you do know that is quite grounds for scum lurker right

[Metal Sonic]

well you materialised almost immediately when you were called out

[Metal Sonic]

i'd get away asap

and you drop your scumread immediately?

Since when did I drop my scum read?

I just let someone "smarter" kick his ass

such as waynegg


what are you daft

[Metal Sonic]

you do know that you can't beat an idiot slinging shit in a 1v1, right?

[Metal Sonic]

Since when did I drop my scum read?

you started voting Sajin the next day
you could've scumhunted elsewhere while voting TD, but you didn't. Why?

Dropping vote =/= dropping scumread



Nacho I'm pretty sure you're a lot smarter than that

I'm p sure this guy is scum according to meta(or he is drunk,I don't know)



I stuck my vote on TD for 3 days, are you implying I should have stuck it on him for 5?






I doubt your alignment, nacho

[Metal Sonic]

wayne i've played with nacho in multiple games before and his town meta is way cleaner than that

[Metal Sonic]

i also love this 5-player-mafia-realtime chat party

[Metal Sonic]

And no, I don't think that as scum you would have to give reads on every living player.

Wait, let me get this perfectly straight. You thinking the above and you think that it is scummy to not give reads on every player? So... why wouldn't I as scum just BS reasons and give reads on eveyone

(not exactly sure I get what you're trying saying, so ignore that ^ if it doesn't make sense?).

nacho said, if you are town you dont need to give reads on everyone


so if you're scum you'd try your best to give reads on everyone which is what you were just saying

[Metal Sonic]

have a nice day

arthur plays a lot better than that, but i dont know if this game he's saddled with irl issues or not


can someone check his activity in other threads

[Metal Sonic]

that means that nacho is not acting in town meta

= scum


also gimme the link to that scumputer thing i wanna see

[Metal Sonic]

lol DGB


ahahaha that player's a funny one

[Metal Sonic]

nacho

DGB wasn't a 1v1

[Metal Sonic]

nacho

DGB wasn't a 1v1

[Metal Sonic]

nacho

DGB wasn't a 1v1

[Metal Sonic]

lag sucks

[Metal Sonic]

nacho

DGB wasn't a 1v1

so you drop 1v1s quicker than you drop non1v1

slapfights

?

FTFY


yes

[Metal Sonic]

why did 2 go from scum to strong town?
why did ghostlin go from light town to town to light town to town?

ffery was good bulder was not as good, hydra dissonance over me also added to the town factor

mass posts of arguably good content is town read in my book



i'm not going to answer ghostlin thats p redundant

[Metal Sonic]

that means that nacho is not acting in town meta

= scum

ehh varsoon, I regret that one

was sheeping

[Metal Sonic]

These

i'd get away asap

and you drop your scumread immediately?

Since when did I drop my scum read?

I just let someone "smarter" kick his ass

such as waynegg


what are you daft

are

Since when did I drop my scum read?

you started voting Sajin the next day
you could've scumhunted elsewhere while voting TD, but you didn't. Why?

Dropping vote =/= dropping scumread



Nacho I'm pretty sure you're a lot smarter than that

I'm p sure this guy is scum according to meta(or he is drunk,I don't know)



I stuck my vote on TD for 3 days, are you implying I should have stuck it on him for 5?






I doubt your alignment, nacho

not

Nacho I'm pretty sure you're a lot smarter than that

I'm p sure this guy is scum according to meta(or he is drunk,I don't know)

oh look, another person calling me scum for not reading them town

I stuck my vote on TD for 3 days, are you implying I should have stuck it on him for 5?

no. but you used the "oh, the slapfight was getting too stupid" as your excuse for why you disengaged from him completely. that doesn't make sense to me. you could've still voted him, you could've sold the case to other players, you could scumhunt elsewhere... it also doesn't feel right that you would start to ignore TD because the fight was getting stupid. You and KX pushed on DGB in Voided's game for a long, long time and didn't back down for shit. What made this different?

good

nacho

DGB wasn't a 1v1

so you drop 1v1s quicker than you drop non1v1 scumreads?

however! nacho is pretty scummy yeah I definitely agree on that one

your scumread here. you hadn't called me out for playing to my scum meta then.

you get scummier and scummier

[Metal Sonic]

*this game

[Metal Sonic]

i am here

[Metal Sonic]

Ummm... We're only on page 141. I'm assuming 147 is the post? Who else do you like Nacho? If TD isn't one of them, why not? SAD is super low hanging fruit. Hell, he may even get the MKay if he keeps the no postie thing up. Why target him when he might go for free?

141 was the page, I didn't bother to check the exact number. And we don't modkill lurkers here; we replace them. Unfortunately, SAD won't be replaced.

VOTE: TD

I think this is the best lynch for today. SA's argument+rereading his day 1 makes me want to lynch him (seriously, he RVS votes 2 then insists on townreading 2 until page like 97 at which point he STILL parks a vote on MS. Oh then he proceeds not to mention 2 again and still just sits there tunneling MS.)

SAD is also really bad as well and should probably die. He can be lynched next.

bro i think this lynch is fucking stupid what are you doing?

this game needs some tender love and care that i will provide soon.
probably not tomorrow, but soon.

I get it Nacho. You're saying TD is on your team and we need to lynch floatie SAD because he's the last blue, right?

[Metal Sonic]

These

i'd get away asap

and you drop your scumread immediately?

Since when did I drop my scum read?

I just let someone "smarter" kick his ass

such as waynegg


what are you daft

are

Since when did I drop my scum read?

you started voting Sajin the next day
you could've scumhunted elsewhere while voting TD, but you didn't. Why?

Dropping vote =/= dropping scumread



Nacho I'm pretty sure you're a lot smarter than that

I'm p sure this guy is scum according to meta(or he is drunk,I don't know)



I stuck my vote on TD for 3 days, are you implying I should have stuck it on him for 5?






I doubt your alignment, nacho

not

Nacho I'm pretty sure you're a lot smarter than that

I'm p sure this guy is scum according to meta(or he is drunk,I don't know)

oh look, another person calling me scum for not reading them town

I stuck my vote on TD for 3 days, are you implying I should have stuck it on him for 5?

no. but you used the "oh, the slapfight was getting too stupid" as your excuse for why you disengaged from him completely. that doesn't make sense to me. you could've still voted him, you could've sold the case to other players, you could scumhunt elsewhere... it also doesn't feel right that you would start to ignore TD because the fight was getting stupid. You and KX pushed on DGB in Voided's game for a long, long time and didn't back down for shit. What made this different?

good

nacho

DGB wasn't a 1v1

so you drop 1v1s quicker than you drop non1v1 scumreads?

however! nacho is pretty scummy yeah I definitely agree on that one

your scumread here. you hadn't called me out for playing to my scum meta then.

you get scummier and scummier

your above post was also pretty scummy

its called "reiterating the question"

[Metal Sonic]

Spinach, GIF, I have seriously misjudged you, and for that I apologize.

180 master

[Metal Sonic]

^

P-edit: arrow block


Nacho: MS, TD, SAD
SAD: MS, TD, Nacho
MS: TD, Nacho, SAD
TD: MS, Nacho, BRO


fancy ass list

the only odd one out is SAD on TD's

pattern spotter

[Metal Sonic]

At this point my only strong town read is andi.

Q.E.Duh SAD is town.

So SAD is also a strong town read.

Nacho wht is this


SAD is town =/= strong town


even when talking to a scum you sound scum

how's nacho red TD blue

[Metal Sonic]

3-man mafia realtime chat party


all supposedly on different teams

woohoo

[Metal Sonic]

hello

scum < null < town < strong town


I'm pretty sure you're acting stupid cause you're scum

[Metal Sonic]

brb

[Metal Sonic]

Chance to crosskill VS automatically one NK less? I'll take the one NK less every time. Every-Single-Time.

Pedit: huh, I'm calling you red scum, if redscum flip than I was right X_x. Explain that question better.

^

[Metal Sonic]

then TD is wrong?

[Metal Sonic]

You slipped. That simple. Pretty much nothing short of that or a night action reveal would have made me change my read on you but.... there it is.

What happens if redscum flip?

Ugh!!! A 3v3 and I gotta step in to point out the obvious??? NACHO HAS CONCEDED THAT HE SLIPPED, IS SCUM, AND IS NOW JUST CRUMBING HE IS RED. If it has to be Blue, he isn't the tree to be barking up.

well who's going over? TD or nacho?

[Metal Sonic]

TD cant be trusted with that^

[Metal Sonic]

Can we lynch this smug little shit?^

[Metal Sonic]

Lets do math:

1 less NK:
8 players.
-2
6 players next day, 4 town 2 scum. MYLO.




meanwhile: Crossfire <what are the chances?>
8 players, lynch 1 red
Cross fire, one red or blue dies, remaining 1 red or blue
5 players, 1 scum left, we remain 1 mislynch free


meanwhile: lynch red, no crossfire
8 players, lynch 1 red
2 town dies
5 players, 2 scum left, 3 town LyLo
assuming lynch scum
3 players, 1 town 1 scum










hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Metal Sonic]

*2 town 1 scum



so from the math

one less NK gives us a MYLO situation. Unless a PR can salvage this, no point

Chance to crossfire gives us a small chance for a mislynch. or a big chance for lylo


well

lets use the weighing scale

[Metal Sonic]

TD you're the one making us pop blood vessel but i digress

yes i concede that you are correct in the sense

[Metal Sonic]

technically the logic you are presenting is: crossfire is good for us. this is correct

however td says: cross fire is probably not happening. this is also correct


yes

[Metal Sonic]

technically the logic you are presenting is: crossfire is good for us. this is correct

however td says: cross fire is probably not happening. this is also correct


yes

[Metal Sonic]

nacho

andy cant shoot

[Metal Sonic]

nacho

andy cant shoot

this shows you have absolutely no idea what the fuck I'm saying anymore

nacho

andy cant shoot

[Metal Sonic]

{Metal Sonic, Ser Arthur Dayne, TiphaineDeath, Nachomamma}

FTFY

[Metal Sonic]

Aright, I gotta go to bed, good talk nacho, good talk.

I <3 you MS, even if you are a silly little scummer .

lets play again in some other game

[Metal Sonic]

bye bye nacho

nice talking to you

c:

due to the nature of our alignment you must get lynched this game

the game is all about the fun


spinach are you free to talk

[Metal Sonic]

okay lets discuss GiF

i have him as a strong town

[Metal Sonic]

okay i cant think of what to discuss about

we alreayd have our game plan: TD/SAD/Nacho



how exactly do you use the scumputer its hard to use

[Metal Sonic]

yeah i've seen DGB use it but its a bit... big

unless there really is a program that does it for you

[Metal Sonic]

nice

what do you mean *get close to lynch* or *lynch*

as in we choose the lynched wagon

or any sufficiently big wagon

[Metal Sonic]

good night


wellp im alone again

[Metal Sonic]

welcome back

[Metal Sonic]

vote TD

[Metal Sonic]

I think you're just sleepy and coming up with convulted logic


check it up again when you're sober

[Metal Sonic]

why gif call me scum

;-;

[Metal Sonic]

^thats the point



btw nacho is scum dont sheep him sheep andrius/spinach

[Metal Sonic]

Wait. He's not here anymore

I don't remember him dying/lynched?

Brb

THAT IS THE POINT!!!!

asdf

[Metal Sonic]

strong^

nacho

spinach and Gif listen to andy, I am defintiely not blue scum

nacho only pretends to listen because he is a scum aligned slot

[Metal Sonic]

wasnt i voting

VOTE: TiphaneDeath

[Metal Sonic]

^ sounds good

lets kill red today


and i suspect red is
(also minorly sheeping spinach)
UNVOTE: TiphaineDeath

VOTE: Nachomamma

[Metal Sonic]

there was only 2 votes on him

unless you mean that the remaining 2 mafia will flash lynch

[Metal Sonic]

GiF's avatar and posting style just makes me want to give him the benefit of the doubt

lets just get on nacho/TD

I've been on TD for ages

[Metal Sonic]

all my mafia games are stagnant :/

*waits for andy*

[Metal Sonic]

where is andy

where is andy
we need his input!

[Metal Sonic]

7 days deadline ooh lala lets afk here

too much speculation too much theories

too little evidence

[Metal Sonic]

lol the thread was jumping by like 10 - 30 pages whenever I got online on D1

good thing the later days were a lot faster!

[Metal Sonic]

i'm pretty sure if you raised that point without taking your vote and flip flopping it everywhere

it would make you seem more credible

[Metal Sonic]

sorry spinach

either your scum or you're tired and cracking out bullshit

because Andy only claimed Joat prior to varsoon lynch. the nightkills that could possibly happen was on ghostlin who was another town pr

so no the scum would not have known

[Metal Sonic]

Doesn't change the

fact

that Andy is scum.

nope

[Metal Sonic]

hello

[Metal Sonic]

Aaaaand as soon as I turn on him he takes his first opportunity calls me town, stupid, and town, both things inherently designed to get me to back off. Still-Gambiting. Cute.

[Metal Sonic]

spinach why are you posting so scummy

its like the stock market crash

[Metal Sonic]

You know I've ISO'd every player multiple times. Each time based off Andy's claim. Yet after briefly calling him out and then dropping it, I haven't once gone back to ISO him. Until now.

I'm a JoaT. Shot varsoon last night. Have other actions, been using them as I deemed fit. Breadcrumbed every action thus far. Brownies if you can find them.

YES MOLLIE IM SORRY I LET YOU DIE
I THOUGHT I COULD GO OUT WITH THE GUYS FOR A DRINK
AND THE MINUTE I DO YOU WIND UP DEAD
THATS ON ME
thats on me honey
;_;

And yeah cabd too...

brb grabbing my breadcrumbs

Are they special brownies?

Why has everyone, myself included, overlooked what's been in our faces the whole time? We've been following a claim simply because he claimed it. He said he crumbed all his actions. I pointed out that he pulled them up too quickly when he had to (which made me think they were strategic crumbs placed for a cover). He said he looked for keywords and I took it hook line and sinker. He hasn't been questioned since.

Hasn't been questioned since, yet he's supposedly a town PR. And the scum are so stupid they've been offing VT. They must be like my kitten that has cerebellar hypoplasia stupid if that's true. No. This is all wrong.

These are his real breadcrumbs. He took out Mollie, and cabd too. He's the scum we've based every move we've made since his claim off of. His claim alone has provided all the WIFOM needed to take his team to the end as a result. It also explains why he's having to "go back for a re-read", though after meta diving him, he's completely on top of the games he's been in.

Clear the air. Get better reads as a result.

UNVOTE: TiphaneDeath

VOTE: Andy

Wishy washy voting... what exactly I don't expect from spinach

And he can't possibly accuse Andrius for not dying as a Joat as he only claimed last day when varsoon lynch+ghostlin died

Doesn't change the

fact

that Andy is scum.

nope

I cant kill both mollie and cabd the same night.

anywho back to reading, drinking, and listening to the Rains

No? Use your vig on one and convince your team to take out the other. And then you crumbed it as you stated you would with your actions. I know you said you used it on Varsoon, but that would mean I would have to believe you first.

Ohhhhhh so you're implying Scum JoaT Andy.
That makes waaaaay more sense.

@GiF Why do spinach sudden change?

[Metal Sonic]

Wishy washy voting... what exactly I don't expect from spinach

And he can't possibly accuse Andrius for not dying as a Joat as he only claimed last day when varsoon lynch+ghostlin died

And somehow missed this part. Yes, I can, because he claimed BEFORE Sassoon was lynched. Then scum hit lame duck neighborless neighbor that appeared to be otherwise vanilla. Instead of going for the uber experienced claimed town PR. THAT DOES NOT COMPUTE!

this is fair point and the only contradiction of the last day

howeever it is not DAMNING enough


it is incriminating but not DAMNING

[Metal Sonic]

this is still stagnant

too much time = convulted reads


the town seem scummier and the scum seem townier

[Metal Sonic]

lol rollback

poor andrius

I am bored, like lynch Nacho/TD/SAD already

we need a flip to keep things going

[Metal Sonic]

Vangarre, Colonist Aligned Vanilla!




some loser captain faggot with no special ability

stupid NPC




Gif was scum D:





oh and we're pretty much screwed i guess

thank god for xfire

[Metal Sonic]

lmao

[Metal Sonic]

Nacho claims first

[Metal Sonic]

oh fuck off already scum


VOTE: TD

[Metal Sonic]

i just came back to this thread to find the touhou avatars website by GiF

[Metal Sonic]

i am still here

oh wait is this lylo?


5 players - 2 scum

-3 town = gg

5 players 2 scum

both shoot same player = lylo 3 players 2 scum oh wait

5 players 2 scum

-1 town -1 scum = 3 players 1 scum = lylo

5 players 2 scum

-1 scum -1 town = 3 players 1 scum lylo






hmmm,


either scum xfire and we do real scumhunting or we lynch correctly today


why are protowns Andy + Broseidon not dying? of course spinach was a better target but why not andy over gif?

food for thought

[Metal Sonic]

nacho

why has the scum not killed andy the joat?

[Metal Sonic]

what bodyguard

only scum and VT


what about broseidon is he town or must we refresh our read on him


i would never have thought gif was a scum, time to re-read my scum reads ugh

[Metal Sonic]

and that SAD was town


a+ lurker a+ speedlynch


if andy+bro last scum i will shit my pants

[Metal Sonic]

HOLY FUCKING TONNNNNNN


i skimmed so much i thought he was a VT



urrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Metal Sonic]

yes i am guilty of skimming last day and night's flavor


dont worry bork i read all of them prior to ghostlin's flip

[Metal Sonic]

damn this fucking dictionary will be tough to read

MECHA SONIC FTW

cant believe you still entertain the thought of me bluescum

[Metal Sonic]

will do full reads on everyone tomorrow during class

i'm pretty sure im damn accurate

but it takes a while. yeah. 4198 posts = dictionary game

ill just iso ugh

[Metal Sonic]

i took 1.5 hours to write a A-level quality essay against a player in andy's game

i'm going to to this one only when i feel very.... very.... free

[Metal Sonic]

what is trajectory?

also why is nacho conf not red?

[Metal Sonic]

play sonic

listne to sonic music

here's a recommendation for our knight andy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SG&hl=e ... thRyUHPckI

[Metal Sonic]

yes definitely i'd sing it with you right now but that will clutter the thread

[Metal Sonic]

have you heard the remixes from generations theres 2

[Metal Sonic]

td/nacho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y29qU2edNI - City Escape Remix 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Toq36g7uqg - City Escape remix 2


these are official remixes see how you like them

[Metal Sonic]

you can use this remix next time if you want to sing it )

[Metal Sonic]

Look at his play yesterday compared to GiF.

tl;dr: His play spiked to a previously unseen mode of aggression, which tells me he was more geared for survival/actually finding scum. Red, like GiF, had no great reason to and were not nearly in as dire of circumstances to push hard. So GiF's passivity makes sense.

holy shit this is gold

TD is scummers yep, but the SAD mislynch might make me doubt my previous reads :/

[Metal Sonic]

bro, i dont remember the 2 read super duper clearly since its been like a month or something, but imo i think I read him town because he posted the most and was "helping the town"

but his quality flaked after a while so his towniness dropped

when he flipped scum i was mildly surprised though

same for GiF^(the mildly surprised part)


thank goodness we got a xfire else we all screwed

[Metal Sonic]

either way GiF in the game is pleasant... so


;3

[Metal Sonic]

If I am wrong with one of them I may be wrong with another one of them

thats all

[Metal Sonic]

although pretty much everyone except Nacho stepped it up yesterday to some degree.

Yeah um this is why I think he's red. >_>

golden x2

nacho/TD

due to SAD mislynch i may be afraid

but lets get it anyway

[Metal Sonic]

I love how TDscum and scumcho aint here

makes for important private discussion

[Metal Sonic]

Smh mafia, you know the td flip basically cleans me right?

Anyway guys cross ill reread tomorrow

also, what is a encrypter?

Prejudiced towards nacho ATM but will reread everyone for authentic

[Metal Sonic]

It clears me. Because I wouldn't have shot gif, in xfire

[Metal Sonic]

lol i skipped computing lesson today

will read tomorrow during computing lesson #2

[Metal Sonic]

ok

cross and i'll read tomorrow etc

[Metal Sonic]

then you must be scum

[Metal Sonic]

Protip : at 3waylylo with no clear, the (subjectively) scummiest player is usually the town

simple logic, the (subjectively) townie players would have been sniped by the mafia

so I am clean and you two cross, feel free to do your isos thought I'll get to them this afternoon

[Metal Sonic]

the context is that i slapfighted TD the whole game and TD flipped scum

unless you imply that me being helpful scumhunter will flip scum too


i take my town role pms for granted and so should you

iso'ing now

cross first u hoes

[Metal Sonic]

iso'd bro

gonna iso nacho now

you two need to cross

and argue with each other

to convince me whoever is scum

burden's on me

i wont reveal what i think of you both unless you both cross

because of authenticity of reads

[Metal Sonic]

Next, Rach. I'm heavily relying on a game here since I read her wrong in Popcorn, but am figuring out where I went wrong with that specific read.

First of all, the read on me.

Played with Nacho loads and so far he feels pretty much his town meta.... Though he does have a tendency to replace into scum slots LOL... but yeah feels towny to me.

Ok guys n gals Nacho is definitely hitting my towndar...

So far Town reads : Nacho, Andy, B n B. Orc,

Read progression here is very natural. She had the townread on me originally, which is an easy one to pick up on which was exactly the situation in popcorn mafia. Then, she follows up on read later, strengthens it. Ending has me as solid town, no more waffling.

I definitely want to hear more from Nacho, he does have a strong record of replacing into scum slots....

Now look at Popcorn. Similar situation, this is literally the only time she gave a read on me and I was town as all hell. No development, no trajectory, none.

Also, it took her 22 posts in Popcorn to come up with a read, and her strongest scumread was on obvtown for "trolling". None of her reads had any sort of trajectory at all, and she just lurked through the game and coasted by on me defending her until she just stopped posting and I started dropping the townread. Here, she's been aggressive with reads, is asking relevant questions, is calling out OTHER people for inactivity... This is not anything close to her scumgame at all, and if she is town I will happily eat several hats until a hole forms in my stomach and I die from internal bleeding.

rach please don't make fun of me while i'm trying to defend you ;.;

^

Agreed.

Sort of liked this post because it was a connect with someone else who trolls around a lot.

nacho town

freezerguy town

orc town

vassoon town

beautybeast town

mac town

tiphaine scum

sven troll

varsoon still town

cabd quite town

ghostlin leaning town


rach town

sajin leaning town

aj the epic leaning scum

broseidon leaning scum too i guess

I'll give reasons after the posting dies down. 50 pages(1000+ posts) in 72 hours, please no its torturous



2 getting scummier

aj leaning town now

ghostlin town

mac stil town

reverend a+ slip contradiction strong

beast leaning town

andrius town

also good luck with reading john or whoever had to read 50 pages

cabd and guy in freezer very town right now

ok i just iso'd tiphaine

except for #901
the rest of his posts are shit

yep scum

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

TMT is a null-leaning-town

except for his atrocious name

andrius town

broseidon leaning town

ghoslin leaning town

2, nacho varsoon cabd strong town

What I see here is a blatant, blatant lack of opportunism. I think scum in Ms's position would be a *tiny* bit opportunistic, but nope.

These are incriminating nacho


I am still going to keep my reads secret for lylo

just putting this out there for discussion purposes

[Metal Sonic]

Orc, I would maybe like to move Rev into townblock, but I want to discuss him with you.

2. Aj The Epic - bad
3. Andrius - good
4. BeautyAndTheBeast - good
5. BROseidon - good
6. Cabd - good
7. Venmar - good
8. Ghostlin - good
9. GuyInFreezer - good
10. Ser Arthur Dayne - bad
12. Metal Sonic - good
13. orcinus_theorigina - good
14. RachMarie - good
15. Sajin - good
17. Nachomamma8 - good
18. TiphaineDeath - good
19. spinachattack - bad
20. Varsoon - good

Here's where I lie. Where do we differ?

With your credentials, as scum I would have just used my strongman kill on you and been done with it N1 if you were town. But you're still alive and kickin' 3 days in...

14. RachMarie, Mumkhar, Mechonis Aligned 1-Shot Strongman, was lynched Day 3.
13. orcinus_theoriginal, Meyneth, Mechonis Aligned Godmother Neighbor, was killed Night 3.

3. Andrius
4. BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy + pirate mollie)
5. BROseidon
6. Cabd
8. Ghostlin
9. GuyInFreezer
11. Mac
13. orcinus_theoriginal
14. RachMarie
18. TiphaineDeath
20. Varsoon

I'm not lynching any of these people. Most of them I'm not lynching ever, but there's too many people in here for me to actually say that.

Why would blue strongman kill me...?

Okay what on earth is this metal sonic wagon

This seems so weird

orc tunnels the fuck out of Metal Sonic until a wagon actually forms on him. Then there's this.

Rach has a similar reaction!

umm Orc i really have no clue why the MS wagon... could be a counterwagon? Especially if there are two scum teams....

Both seem like they are defending a scumbuddy.

These incriminate nacho as well, just putting this out there since he has tons more posts

[Metal Sonic]

Ok

VOTE NACHO

That's L-1 Nacho. You have the floor.

I don't know if you've noticed, but I've been left completely on my own this day phase. I want you to read through the actual arguments that people have been making and tell me why you're allowing MS to buddy the hell out of you, why you're allowing TD to blatantly contradict himself, and why you're allowing SAD to coast when I'm hauling my ass off producing as much content as possible and nailing scum as hard to the wall as I possibly can. Your current wagon mates are TD, SAD, and MS. Andy has mentioned that he's found me scummy, but the entirety of the case against me is still:

1) Nacho's still alive when he posted so much and so many people read him town on Day 1!
2) Nacho's arguing that we should lynch red scum today! He's probably blue scum!

TD:

Nachos 3606, is a scumslip, GIF caught this, well done.

Nacho has to be red scum.

Nacho is red scum.

I have not been throwing shit everywhere. I have two solid town reads, Nacho/andi.

Also what happened to this?

You slipped. That simple.

Pretty much nothing short of that or a night action reveal would have made me change my read on you

but.... there it is.

Killing blue is right today.

nacho has been arguing that we should be killing red, thus he is blue.

MS has been agreeing with me, thus he is red. Nacho is the right kill today.

Bolded is mine.

Tiphane has been arguing that I am red scum because of the scumslip. He said that if it were not for the scumslip, he would find me town. Next, Tiphane finds strong evidence that I am NOT red scum, which would make the scumslip invalid. Instead of deciding that "oh, nacho's scumslip is wrong and thus he's probably town again" he decides that instead I am BLUE scum. He is doing this because there is support for a Nacho lynch today, but he can't hop on my wagon as long as he's calling me red scum. So he takes my theory arguments (despite the fact that SAD has been doing the exact same thing) as a confirmation for me being blue-scum, which allows him to say consistent in his earlier arguments for "we have to lynch blue scum today we have to lynch blue scum today" but also allows him to stay on my wagon. I also questioned him on "what would happen if evidence comes around saying that I'm not red scum?" and Tiphane's answer was that if SAD flipped red scum, I would be pretty much cleared (#3706). His attack on me now is a direct contradiction to what he was saying before. There is no way in hell that he's town.

Vote: TiphaineDeath

Why are you being so goddamned helpful? X_x.

I'm just a very helpful person.

Nacho's 3615 is feigning ignorance, I do not like this. Scum scummity scum want a mislynch, always, and you know that.

Scum don't want mislynches when there's 1 scum, 1 opposing scum, and 1 town. Always is a dangerous word to use.

3682 is twisting my words to his own purposes, do-not-like.

In your eyes, I am Red. MS is Blue scum. SAD is not my buddy. Thus, SAD is town. How is that inaccurate?

3737 is where nacho's stubbornness really crosses the line from reasonable to unreasonable. I've addressed this like five times and he still wants me too. This is also when I get the inkling that something is off with my read on him as red scum.

You were saying that removing a nightkill is better because removing a nightkill is always better. I was trying to get you to explain that logic, but you never did.

(which made me think they were strategic crumbs placed for a cover).

He's known for strategic crumbing, so the claim itself doesn't surprise me at all. We're also expecting a protective role in this game (considering the strongman), and he's a protector, sooo. He'll become townier if we manage to flip something like a ninja, but as for now, it's a claim that makes perfect sense within the setup.

this breaks my self imposed ban but
nacho
kindly explain to spinach
what happened the last game we were in
and how on top of that i was

I'm waiting for you to catch up.

It's a game and it furthers your wincon and it takes out someone who aparently knows you better than the rest of us.

She doesn't know him better than the rest of you. I know him better than the rest of you. This was mollie's first game with him.

I really think TD is town

You can explain this, especially keeping his latest responses in mind.

So that makes no sense from a town perspective- why suddenly slink back into the shadows after that great performance? I was expecting him to draw the NK early on because of his play- which makes sense as VTs should try and draw the NK away from PRs. (mac, cabd)

That was the point. I didn't expect to be alive in this game at LyLo. My play fell off after that mostly by virtue of not recalibrating/quicklynch galore. When the game slowed down, I was there the entire time. I don't know if you noticed, but I WAS hauling ass yesterday for the majority of yesterday. And you can't tell me you don't know what it's like when you have a good D1 and everything steadily goes to shit because that's EXACTLY what happened this game.

I need you because town isn't losing this game regardless of what happened this game. I woke up this morning and I realized that I found what I was missing; I have what I need and we are NOT going to devolve into bullshit paranoia. You suspect me?
Make a case on me.

You think TD is town? Call him town. Talk about why he is town.
I need one more townread from this group of three. And it's going to be the best damn townread I've ever had.

Just to prove that I actually read



BTW: done with isos



guys cross and debate pls thats all for now

I'll get my final decision after you two argue and make cases/AtE/convince me

although the isos i read make me lean towards one particular player already....

[Metal Sonic]

Speak for yourself, lurker scumcho

[Metal Sonic]

ofc

that was so bad

i think you are hinting to us that "guys im scum but I dont want to break bork's heart by gamethrowing lynch me already"

suddenly <fuck this and lynch nacho> becomes a viable option

but I should not be reckless

[Metal Sonic]

this game was really fun like a thrilling roller coaster

me and nacho are very sorry for puking over everyone at the end!

[Metal Sonic]

Ah I feel guilty for screwing this up for all

I had suspected Bro in my "secret reads"] that I didn't tell my replacement

and nacho hasty hammered without waiting for me or hawk

we are sorry

[Metal Sonic]

Even if the player you're referencing already flipped? Hypothetically.

[Metal Sonic]

All right, thanks for the clarifications

I can only use those in 'secret reads' but not as evidence then.

[Metal Sonic]

How does talking about an ongoing game in another game cause technical problems and replacements?

I understand how it skews reads, but rules aside I don't think it causes something as serious as a game stall?

[Metal Sonic]

But yeah sucks to have a game ruined and we must not do anything that may potentially cause I trouble

[Metal Sonic]

but it's okay i guess you did what you needed to do, i actually would've thought that the game should've been suspended until metal sonic came back, but whatever, satisfying finish i suppose

yeah

its okay we still love you all <3