The Fortnight (Game Over)

[Oversoul]

Benmage, you worked hard to get into this game

Why?

[Oversoul]

Is Kid A an alt?

[Oversoul]

That was mean

[Oversoul]

on both accounts

[Oversoul]

First post of the game and that's all you have to say?

No.

But that's all I want to say for the time being.

[Oversoul]

Matt and Kanye do this thing a lot

I don't understand it and I try not to

I'm pretty sure I'd lose my relatively few brain cells in the process

[Oversoul]

@Tbone, I can't tell if you're serious. As someone alluded to my awesome scumplay is awesome...So I.. what? Joined the game minutes before it launched... and thought of the masterful strategy of faking breaking the game? (Or I joined the game moments before launch, skimmed the rules, and tried to break it... go figure)

Was this meant to be addressing my comment towards you?

DGB, there's a chip in your armor...
And a crack in your bifocals.

I'm not scum.

Why did you take so long to vote me?

DGB is right oversoul, that was a dumb question.

TWO dumb questions. Then some whining when called out on it.

What was the second dumb question?

Unvote, vote: DGb

Why did it take you so long to adhere to your meta, Cogito?

and Oversoul falls bottom third for sure.. but it wasn't quite as bad as I original thought.

How bad do you think I am?

I do want to know what oversoul hoped to accomplish with that ridiculous line of questioning.

All in do time, provided people actually answer my questions.

But you're more than welcome to join DGB on my wagon if you wish.

Just promise me you'll actually try to scumhunt.

As a matter of fact you can deduce approximately nothing from this desire to join this tech playlist.

Really? That is a matter of fact? I don't think so.

I have suspicions on multiple people, but my primary suspicion falls on Ghostlin. I don't understand his attack against Kid A for the pr talk and I don't understand why he is using the word null to describe other players. His opinions seem out of place with how the thread was going as a whole.

VOTE: Ghostlin

[Oversoul]

Just because you all don't understand how I work doesn't mean my questions are dumb.

[Oversoul]

Matt how many times have you played with town DGB other than First Time?

[Oversoul]

I feel like Venmar is town for that post seeing as he could just ride anti-Oversoul sentiment. Plus, he is using a past game as a reference point for a read which I find town is more likely to do than scum.

[Oversoul]

After he responds to my questions in full.

[Oversoul]

And I'm supposed to care why?

[Oversoul]

Just because you all don't understand how I work doesn't mean my questions are dumb.

[Oversoul]

oversoul, we're not playing this mastermind bullshit

maybe this will quicken your tongue

Vote: Oversoul

Nope.

[Oversoul]

I'm not going to capitulate to your cookie cutter design of how you think I should be playing Kuribo.

I don't understand why you guys think this is solely reliant on how Ben acted in the signup thread.

[Oversoul]

Oversoul WTF are you doing. Ghostlin is trying to play mafia but he just isn't as good as everyone else in this game.

Matt should actually know that so I don't know why he is all upset. Kind of makes him seem scum but everybody seems to read him as town.

What are you trying to convey in this post because whatever it is went clear over my head

[Oversoul]

Ok.

What does the bit about Matt mean/How is it related?

[Oversoul]

I'm not going to capitulate to your cookie cutter design of how you think I should be playing Kuribo.

I don't understand why you guys think this is solely reliant on how Ben acted in the signup thread.

because the "question" you keep insisting he answer is ridiculous and if you're going to keep pushing it, you need to have a good reason

it's reliant on the sign up thread because YOU LITERALLY ASKED HIM WHY HE SIGNED UP FOR THE GAME

It is related yes.

Solely reliant no.

[Oversoul]

I don't think Matt is scum to be honest, Grey

pedit:

actually?

[Oversoul]

I don't think questions like "how many times have you played with DGB" are helpful

Point - Are posts like these helpful?
I am constructing a framework to base people's actions off. It is helpful for me.

pedit:

I didn't find your posts offensive.

Ghostlin, I understand it is bad play to have PRs out themselves on Day 1, but this game does not have any PRs and that should be evident from the signup thread and the rules post. I didn't understand why you felt the need to start suspecting him for this when it was obvious that Kid A had to be either trolling or playing dumb?

[Oversoul]

Last sentence of my post= last paragraph of Oversoul's post.

Also, the PR thing is kind of throwaway tbh.

I agree somewhat; Ghostlin taking the time to discuss that specifically with Kid looked like an attempt to try and teach something that in this game really has no purpose.

At first I thought it was possibly a scumtell because Ghostlin has to my knowledge not been around recently/out of practice and I feel that people who try to taking 'teaching' roles within the town, or are overly helpful do so to pad their content + appearance to the town to be "Look, I'm helping!"

[Oversoul]

I don't think you're dumb.

Where did that impression come from? I just think that engaging on that notion was bad because I personally thought he was trolling and wouldn't give you the answers your expected. I thought it was obvious that he wasn't taking the game seriously with that comment given the setup is public knowledge which is why I thought discussion on the motivation for that was bad.

[Oversoul]

Ok.
I don't think we're seeing eye to eye hear and overall I find the discussion about PRs and his motivation about it to be what you're saying, clutter. But to each his own.
You've given me town feelings about you though.

UNVOTE:

[Oversoul]

DGB,

Just because you all don't understand how I work doesn't mean my questions are dumb.

I don't think questions like "how many times have you played with DGB" are helpful

Point - Are posts like these helpful?
I am constructing a framework to base people's actions off.

I don't think questions like "how many times have you played with DGB" are helpful

Point - Are posts like these helpful?
I am constructing a framework to base people's actions off. It is helpful for me.

My teachers said there is no such thing as a dumb question.

You can take that side ways cucumber out from your butt anytime.
It's making you unpleasant. your tunnel vision is yet again wrong.

[Oversoul]

What do you think of BB's "if you want to lose accuse me"

[Oversoul]

Wasting time in a mafia game?

How does that work? Is everyone given a minute of response time before they leave for the day? Are you talking about waiting around to see where I am going to go with this? If anything it will help point out the lurkers/inactives.

[Oversoul]

Does it aggrevate you that I don't mould to your ideal type?

Or that I play cards close to my chest? Hint, it isn't scummy. At least for me. DGB should know this but she has cucumber problems. And blood lust. Read First Time Mafia, Kuribo. You'll get a better understanding of me (this is the game Venmar was referring to).

(these can considered dumb questions)



Pedit: time to readjust your vision then.
Pedit: at the moment tunneling, anything that I'd use to try and catch DGB scum probably isn't going to work given the setup.

[Oversoul]

Over if you knew my meta, you'd know i find lololol mastermind to be annoying and scummy

i had an epiphany about DGB's wagon and if my theory is correct, theres probably at least one scum on it or having been on it

Over if you knew my meta, you'd know i find lololol mastermind to be annoying and scummy

i had an epiphany about DGB's wagon and if my theory is correct, theres probably at least one scum on it or having been on it

Fair enough.
Who would it be on her wagon?

I don't think it is Matt or Venmar. Probably not BBmolla. Kanye or CES? Good luck reading them.

[Oversoul]

His defense of me. I made mention of that earlier. It's in my ISO.

This has been on my mind for a while, and the anonymity of Kid A is super suspect given this game and Zor as a mod,

Kid A

, are you a Regfan alt?
Reg had been reading this forum since the game started essentially and to my knowledge he isn't in any other game unless he had an alt.

[Oversoul]

How about you read him as Kid A instead of worrying about if he's an Alt or not? What does that matter? Does that determine his alignment too?

Really dumb questions, T-Bone.

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I think the PR talk thing was a front. Kid ignoring the discussion between myself and Ghostlin on that topic is peculiar. Him ignoring my question to him just now is also peculiar. If Kid A was Regfan and you saw Regfan acting this way, you are telling me you wouldn't be suspicious?
Regfan is the freaking Paragon holder for 2012. Tell me how that isn't important, T-Bone.

Using an alt to hide his worse-than-his-town scum game would be a good way to have a chance at winning if he happened to draw scum while still getting to play in the game.

Pedit: Hmm, that was anticlimactic.
CES, answer my question.

[Oversoul]

Lol. DGB, do that, but don't be surprised when you lose.

Pedit: Yes. It would.
Any of those players ACTING this way when it isn't in their nature to do is incredibly scummy.

[Oversoul]

But Kid A is so obvious town it hurts so it's another moot point.

When did you come to this conclusion?
Before or after DGB said it?

Also, what happened to your Benmage read? That seems to have gone the way of the dodo unless it was a dodo to begin with.

[Oversoul]

Kid A is so town that i wanna double check that hes not an Innocent Child

Pedit: appeal to emotion is so bad, overscum

Smack a vote down.

I see a lot of talk, but no real commitment.

[Oversoul]

You do realize openly stating that you are only voting for pressure nullifies any pressure you could hope your votes achieve?

T-bone, would you like to be called DrippingGoofBons, or miniDGB? Or my favorite the GoofParrot?

[Oversoul]

The above was referencing all of the GIF voters.

[Oversoul]

It's pro-DGB.

[Oversoul]

Unvote, vote: GIF

give us some fucking input fuck you

I already told you your stuff was boring. Oversoul's stuff is even more inane. I have better stuff to do.

Unvote, vote: GIF

give us some fucking input fuck you

I already told you your stuff was boring. Oversoul's stuff is even more inane. I have better stuff to do.

Answer it even if it is inane. Stalling only makes me more useless, CES.

Do you want me to be useless?

Kuribo, that was the point.

DGB, I'm not trolling. I'm channeling my inner Thor.

[Oversoul]

"OOOOH SECRET PLANNY PLANS"

Haha, that made me chuckle.

Ben's analysis of DGB looks genuine, I think he is town.
I'd still like him to answer truthfully and fully, why he was excited to join this game.

[Oversoul]

What is optimal scum strategy for this game, DGB?

Im joining Kid on CES though.
VOTE: CES

Refusing to explain his meta adaptation when I asked him twice is not town when CES is a creature of his own meta.

Which is what I have been trying to pry out of almost every person I've asked this game.

[Oversoul]

Also, mafia kill? There is no kill other than the lynch.

[Oversoul]

Oversoulish... Lol.

DGB, why would I read when I much prefer to aggrevate everyone over their pointless objections to my questions?

Bbmolla, add Venmar to the town list. I am pretty confident in that read.

[Oversoul]

Why do you have CES town?

[Oversoul]

@MattP: Fine I'll stfu and continue ISOing.

This really looks like an attempt to try and not be tied to discussion.

Overscum is still scum.

No matter how many times you repeat it, it will not magically become truth.
You probably have practice saying "I'm pretty" everyday in front of a mirror.

;*

Oversoulish... Lol.

DGB, why would I read when I much prefer to aggrevate everyone over their pointless objections to my questions?

Bbmolla, add Venmar to the town list. I am pretty confident in that read.

Explain Ventown to me.

I don't think he would come to my defense like he did as scum.

Matt, you admit you're playing close to the vest too, w

[Oversoul]

*what is the problem with me playing close to the vest

[Oversoul]

Clearly taking advantage of the fact that everyone says he is hard to read.

Pretty sure I'm just busy.

Im quoting this to make sure DGB will notice. She knows why.

CES, short of wasting towns time with dumb questions, many of my oversoul criticisms apply to you. Do you have any reads or opinions?

I know why too!
Is it safe to assume you think DGB town then?

Kuribo, since you finally articulated a reason that I could follow for being scum rather than "wasting time/dumb questions" I will respond to you.
Since none of what I tried to prepare actually worked and I am tired of trying to troll in the meantime, my next post here will be comprehensive.

I don't have access to a computer just yet.

[Oversoul]

Clearly taking advantage of the fact that everyone says he is hard to read.

Pretty sure I'm just busy.

Your tunnel vision is apparent DrippingGoofBone
And so is your sycophantic attachment to DGB

[Oversoul]

You and Kanye don't bother me
DGB and Tbone ad nauseum calling every single action I do scum is what bothers me because they don't even try to look at it any other way unlike Kuribo who is actually willing to discuss things

I get it. You think I am scum. You are just as much a distraction needling me as my own posts
Plus they haven't addressed the fact (that I have read at least) that they are parroting each other

Kid, I was pointing out that CES did essentially the same thing as me on the same page and Tbone ignored it to pander to DGb and mimic her for the umpteenth time.

[Oversoul]

You and Kanye don't bother me
DGB and Tbone ad nauseum calling every single action I do scum is what bothers me because they don't even try to look at it any other way unlike Kuribo who is actually willing to discuss things

I get it. You think I am scum. You are just as much a distraction needling me as my own posts
Plus they haven't addressed the fact (that I have read at least) that they are parroting each other

Kid, I was pointing out that CES did essentially the same thing as me on the same page and Tbone ignored it to pander to DGb and mimic her for the umpteenth time.

[Oversoul]

I wasn't intentionally trolling, but being obtuse.
You did? I haven't read much since page ~19 or something.
All I remember is you saying "it is a distraction, wasting time etc"
Never "you are planning to flee, that is why I suspect you" which is actually credible in my opinion

Either way I'll explain the "vest reads" tonight. I'm going out now. I thought I'd be able to stop by my house but I'm going to the beach instead

[Oversoul]

I'm back.

I'll make my post after I get something to eat.
Should be around an hour, hour and a half before I get to making the post.

[Oversoul]

If anyone has any questions for me, ask away.

I have one for Benmage - what is your current read on me?

I'm starting my answering post now.

[Oversoul]

Benmage, you worked hard to get into this game

Why?

I asked this question for one reason and one reason only.
As you can see here Benmage actively tries to enter the game by using WotC to remove another player signed up for the game.

This also comes after he stated he would be taking things slowly in mafia because the amount of time he had available was reduced.

Then Benmage proceeds to advocate a no lynch on Day 1 in order to given the "town" its best chances to win, or at the very least ensure that the scum don't win.

So I was thinking we should no lynch D1.

Then for the voting phase when we're all independent players we put 2 votes on the scummiest player, and 1 on everyone else to spread them out as much as possible?

Aye?

So I was thinking we should no lynch D1.

Urgh? I want to win Day 1.

... I'm giving us the most town votes to vote scum... let's play the #'s game and be smart.

That said... I just accused CES.... I figured we'd get to see who we've accused... but I guess that is hidden.. so we'll have to cordinnate in game who to accuse and make sure we have 3 on the scummiest person (incase 1 is scum and switches their vote)... Or something like this, let me ponder when I have more time.

2) demonstrative of your failure to comprehend the wincons.

Look at rule 6.. Scum need to not be accused to win.

If we don't lynch. 14 players.. 1 scum leaves.. 13 players.
We have 12 votes if we organize correctly to vote amongst 13 players. (VOTE ME Its fine) ... We basically just don't vote 1 person, and as long as that final person isn't scum we win. Game broken. We just need to organize the votes during the day, because we can't see the google form.

He states that spreading out votes out among the players will be the best for a numbers game. From the apparent vigor that Benmage tried to join the game, and given that the rules/winconditions were publicly in view completely countering the reasoning Benmage proposed for a Day 1 lynch I asked the question.

I wanted to see if Benmage was going to say that he joined the game because he "thought of a gamebreaking" strategy enough that he could take on as the moderator puts it, "consistent (if not strenuous) activity" during a period of his life where he doesn't have as much time to devote to mafia.
That is why I was suspicious of his "plan" and his apparent lack of knowledge about the rules.

It looked too staged and not like Ben at all. Then, given the fact that it is Benmage and his notoriety as scum I didn't want to elaborate further and just pressed for him to answer the question, which to my knowledge he never answered. In great part due to the rest of you (DGB, Tbone, and even Kuribo) obfuscating everything, pretty much ruining any cohesion or importance to my question.

In short, I wanted to know why Ben tried so hard to get into this game given his real life situation and then proposed a proposition so obviously wrong and bad the first chance he got.
It looked like that proposition to "break" the game was on the tip of his tongue and that could have been a reason why he wanted to enter the game, but it apparently wasn't. If Ben took just 5 minutes to read the rules he would have seen that his plan was bunk and that any hope of "town cohesion" or a town working together after failing to lynch correctly on Day 1 would be very hard to pull off.

We all turn into self-aligned third parties if we mislynch the first day. Any hope for a coordinated plan exists as far as the morals of the playerbase extend and not allegiance to a common wincondition.

I'm still not sure how I feel about that beginning to the day, but for now I think Ben is town for other actions during the day.

Is Kid A an alt?

I pretty much explained this earlier, given that I thought Kid A was potentially Regfan.
I had looked into Kid A's viewable posts and he didn't seem to really be an established member of the community which is why I questioned whether or not he was an alt.

Again, this drew the ire of DGB, TBone, and Kuribo almost immediately and their blustery attacks just decimated any vitality to the questions I hoped could have an insight into the game.

The posts that immediately stood out to me as suspicious from Kid A where these 3

I'm guessing we're all VT except for the scum but if anyone has a PR you should claim because scum has no nk

do you really think a scumteam with 2 votes can push a lynch on a pr

i had a scumtell on him and i wanted to see if he did it in any other games or if it was a shitty scumtell

im leaning towards the latter

and i said i was looking at your town meta not your scum meta because i want to see if you fluffpost this much in your other games

Essentially, I didn't trust Kid A's posts about the PRs and "meta" for a few reasons. 1) the game setup is completely known from the sign-up thread and the moderator's beginning posts in this thread. We know that there are no PRs. Why would he make such a blatant statement like that? Especially since that knowledge is known? It was along the same lines that I was suspicious of Benmage and Kid A. 2) the meta comments made it seem as if Kid A had been around the bloc enough times to know what are legitimate scum tells when he just joined in January of this year... His comments all looked like they held some other ulterior motive.

Then when I saw Regfan lurking about this forum I felt that Reg was reading the game on his original account and the actions of Reg definitely do not match the actions of Kid A so I thought that there was a possibility Reg would try to hide his scumgame.

I probably shouldn't have thought that since Reg has morals and that seems kinda underhanded, but it is known that Reg plays much better as town when compared to his scum game.

First post of the game and that's all you have to say?

No.

But that's all I want to say for the time being.

This is the "super planny plan things" post where I first alluded to the fact that I was sitting on suspicions and that the suspicions secrecy was vital in order to gain legitimate information not corrupted by the knowledge of said suspicions (i.e. Ben could just lie about why he wanted to join the game, Kid A could just lie about being an alt, etc).

It is a nice segue into the CES suspicion that I was holding onto as well...

1. RVS

Vote: Quilford

This is CES's opening post. Normally, CES almost always opens up a game with a vote on someone. If he is late to getting to the game, the vote will be on the largest bandwagon.

This is where I ask CES about the meta of his vote where he then votes two of the other one vote wagons.

Why did it take you so long to adhere to your meta, Cogito?

This was the first time of the games that I have read with CES in them that CES did not wait for a bandwagon and instead started a wagon himself.

Why is this important?

As I said earlier, CES is a creature of meta. There was a public confirmation after a scumgame of his (I think it was the first Large Theme Pony game that was eaten by the Tigers) where CES was talking to a female scummer, Mina or Brandi I think, I can't remember, one who is familiar with his play and he didn't explicitly follow his meta and he said he was nervous about said fact when playing with this female scummer. He then went on to explain what that explicit meta was and it involved bandwagons.

I really wish I could find that post because I feel like it could be useful in gaining a read on him if he didn't follow his own meta. Anyway, I tried looking up games where CES was 1) an original player, and 2) placed the first vote of the game and I have so far not been able to find any games that fit such criteria.

CES ignoring my questions about that meta is suspect because of the implications that it could have. I think he knows his meta pretty well to be able to give a response to my questions but he didn't. He simply called them "inane" choosing to not give a response.

I know he likes to bandwagon. I know he likes to vote the largest wagon as part of his meta.

As you can see here, when CES votes MattP, there were multiple wagons he could have voted

Day 1

Benmage ( 2 )

Kid A

JacobSavage

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(L - 7 )

Kanyeknowsbest ( 1 )

MattP

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(L - 8 )

Kid A ( 1 )

benmage

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(L - 8 )

MattP ( 1 )

kanyeknowsbest

[/color]

(L - 8 )

Quilford ( 1 )

Cogito Ergo Sum

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(L - 8 )

Not Voting ( 10 )

BBMolla DrippingGoofball Ghostlin greygnarl GuyInFreezer kuribo Oversoul Quilford T-Bone Venmar

Total Votes ( 16 )

Needed to Lynch [ 9 ]

GAME Deadline: April 17th at 15:00 EDT

But he chooses to vote MattP. I don't know the extent of his "bandwagon" meta because I am not completely familiar with his playing nuances, but the Matt vote was his second vote in the game.

Why did he choose MattP specifically over the Benmage wagon?
Heck why did he choose it over the other two 1 vote wagons?

I wanted to see what his response would be to the meta question. I think he knew what I was getting into, but instead of explaining for whatever reason he just ignores them.

Here yet again, CES ignores other 1 vote wagons this time on DGB (not seen in VC, but present on the page where CES voted), Benmage, and Kid A going to vote Kanye, who was a 1 vote wagon at the time of him moving away from his RVS vote on Quil onto Matt.

Day 1

Benmage ( 1 )

JacobSavage

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(L - 8 )

Cogito Ergo Sum ( 2 )

Kid A

BBMolla

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(L - 7 )

Kanyeknowsbest ( 1 )

MattP

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(L - 8 )

Kid A ( 1 )

benmage

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(L - 8 )

MattP ( 2 )

kanyeknowsbest

Cogito Ergo Sum

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(L - 7 )

Not Voting ( 9 )

DrippingGoofball Ghostlin greygnarl GuyInFreezer kuribo Oversoul Quilford T-Bone Venmar

Total Votes ( 16 )

Needed to Lynch [ 9 ]

GAME Deadline: April 17th at 15:00 EDT

It looks like he is trying to start a bandwagon of some sort, but why doesn't he join the largest wagons at the time (other than himself)?

Here CES votes DGB, clearly the biggest wagon following his meta of bandwagoning.

Day 1

Benmage ( 1 )

JacobSavage

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(L - 8 )

Cogito Ergo Sum ( 1 )

Kid A

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(L - 8 )

DrippingGoofball ( 3 )

BBMolla

MattP

kanyeknowsbest

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(L - 6 )

Kanyeknowsbest ( 1 )

Cogito Ergo Sum

[/color]

(L - 8 )

Kid A ( 1 )

benmage

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(L - 8 )

Not Voting ( 9 )

DrippingGoofball Ghostlin greygnarl GuyInFreezer kuribo Oversoul Quilford T-Bone Venmar

Total Votes ( 16 )

Needed to Lynch [ 9 ]

GAME Deadline: April 17th at 15:00 EDT

My questions toward him that are "inane" are simple "what gives?" questions. Why do you vote those specific wagons? And why do you follow your apparent meta so late in the game with the vote on DGB?

My push against Ghostlin relied on the fact that it looked like he was trying to take the moral high ground and "teach" Kid A how to play when I thought that if Kid A was an alt he was likely trolling due to the PR talk when this game clearly has no PRs.

I explained this earlier in my dialogue with Ghostlin. I felt his responses were adequate and explained the reasoning well enough that I think he is probably town.

Venmar town - he is pretty much playing similarly to his play in First Time Mafia (featuring yours truly, DGB, MattP, and Venmar! All as town for those wondering. Possibly a good meta read).

There he was VERY adamant about Jal being scum and was wrong, but it was a thought that he defended for pretty much the entirety of the game.

It isn't really something I can quantify other than read his iso there and compare it to his iso here, but the play seems very similar. Of course I could be biased cause I was a neighbor fakeclaiming being a mason that game and Venmar was my neighbor.

It would make sense for Venmar to come in and defend me citing that specific game because 1) we were neighbors together and I pretty much showed him how I played and 2) I "withheld" information from the town like I am doing here (oh

GOD

self-meta).
That's why I think Venmar is town.

It is also why I don't immediately think that DGB is scum for her actions in this game because she tunneled the FUCK out of Venmar in that game for scumtells that he committed. I just happen to be the Venmar of First Time for this game. BUT I do find it suspicious DGB is breaking down the door just to get to my throat in this game considering she was in that other game. Or maybe it is just her

blood

lust getting the best of her.

I find Matt town for his actions in this game because he didn't immediately call me scum and makes me feel like he is using his brain and remembering my play from that game.

I should really reread that game and see how the scum in general reacted to my ~secrets~ and see if there is any human pattern here.

So yea. This is my response and clarification to most egregious "problems" of my play/the suspicions for me playing close to the vest. An invoking my tabula rasa.

So, you all should vote CES with me so we can get a clearer picture of what is going on with his mangled meta and at least make what have to work with *now* salvageable.

[Oversoul]

DGB I am a slow worker
And to answer your question, I hate being scum. I feel like my scum play is transparent and vastly inferior to my town play

On a scale of 1 to 10 how happy I was when I got my town PM? 10.

[Oversoul]

Also, Matt, I remember skimming over something you said earlier, about "arrogant town players" and how they think they can get away with acting like that, do you think I am acting arrogant?

This isn't technically relevant as part of the game but I would like to know for the future

[Oversoul]

I realize that DGB.

I addressed the issues that people have with me. That was the entire point. I never said I was goin to do a whole comprehensive reread.

And I am voting CES you jack wagon.

[Oversoul]

I lose if I'm lynched regardless.

Why are you town reading CES?
Is it Meta?

[Oversoul]

It looked too staged and not like Ben at all. Then, given the fact that it is Benmage and his notoriety as scum I didn't want to elaborate further and just pressed for him to answer the question, which to my knowledge he never answered.

So it looked staged, and my scum game is awesome?

If Ben took just 5 minutes to read the rules he would have seen that his plan was bunk and that any hope of "town cohesion" or a town working together after failing to lynch correctly on Day 1 would be very hard to pull off.

We all turn into self-aligned third parties if we mislynch the first day. Any hope for a coordinated plan exists as far as the morals of the playerbase extend and not allegiance to a common wincondition.

I'm still not sure how I feel about that beginning to the day, but for now I think Ben is town for other actions during the day.

But if I took 5 minutes to read the game I'd know the plan was pointless.

So I'm a scum mastermind, yet I didn't take 5 minutes to read the game? Thanks for confirming me town.

And I did answer it... first I was clarifying the need to still answer, cause I thought you dropped it after being hounded, or modified it:

After he responds to my questions in full.

What was the question?

Ben's analysis of DGB looks genuine, I think he is town.
I'd still like him to answer truthfully and fully, why he was excited to join this game.

Glad you prefaced me answering this question truthfully ..

Uhm lets see, I quasi-retired in the Wire/wrapped up invitational. So I'm in no games because RL is bat shit cray. But a 14 day game sounds like something I can do, as I am a fiend.

I'm excited to see what relevance this has.

^Did you miss this? Or was it not a satisfactory response?

As you are good at scum and generally don't miss a beat on what people post, I didn't want to say anything about your "plan" looking staged in case you would come up with a better reaction to it.

You are good at being scum yes. At the time I didn't believe you would actually propose such a glaringly bad plan as town unless you were trying to play dumb for whatever reason. I thought this was part of a plan to look more "open" and transparent to the town.

I did see that, but I was looking for a little bit more on why you proposed the plan that you did and whether or not you thought of this plan before the game started (i.e. when you kicked FourTrouble out of the game to join).

Kuribo, Red Dead is mostly eaten. I'm pretty sure it doesn't even have it's full Day 1.

Happy Scumday, Venmar!

[Oversoul]

No, I think I touched on this as well... That the plan came after skimming the game and I thought we could mass organize night actions to break the game.

I kicked FT out for YOU GUYS! *bows* (otherwise guess which mislynch would be goin down today)

Me still.

[Oversoul]

Why are you town reading CES?

I can literally

feel

him.

Clearly taking advantage of the fact that everyone says he is hard to read.

Pretty sure I'm just busy.

Im quoting this to make sure DGB will notice. She knows why.

CES, short of wasting towns time with dumb questions, many of my oversoul criticisms apply to you. Do you have any reads or opinions?

You never commented on this DGB.

[Oversoul]

I hope you have a backup plan, Ben

[Oversoul]

I've been planning on winning tomorrow the entire game. Between the 3 leading wagons I'd like you to go. DGB doesn't seem to have support, cause apparently we don't lynch skilled players D1... It is what it is. I'm ready for night.

So you know I am town?

---

Are you seriously trying to end the game on page 40 when some players haven't even so much done more than vote? That number is completely arbitrary.

We still have 11 days too.
Ben, who are you planning on accusing? If it is DGB, what will you do if she flees?

[Oversoul]

Also, a word of note, I don't see anywhere in the rules where we are going to get post lynch time to discuss things so anyone planning on using that time to test reactions is sorely mistaken

Once a lynch occurs this game automatically goes into the accusation stage.

[Oversoul]

Yes, we won't have the ability to post... it will be independant legwork at that time... Something I still want ample time to work with.

I've sorted out most my reads, and I'll go back to clarify... a flip and a flee will do wonders.

The 40 page mark is arbitrary but symbolizes a point where we've had enough. I've had enough.

So you know that I am town?
Don't ignore my question.

[Oversoul]

that is weird, I didn't get a pedit for that

[Oversoul]

You are least confident that I will flip town but you've stated you are planning to win tomorrow regardless.
That is pretty ridiculous if you feel that you know who the scum is but you aren't trying to get them lynched especially when you'll get a second chance if you are wrong about them and we lynch them + they could flee.

[Oversoul]

Never mind I was wrong about the lynch stuff.

Zor said if a lynch occurs 7 Days into the 14 Day deadline you will have 7 days (until the end of the deadline) to discuss things post lynch.
So if I'm lynched now you all will have basically 10 days to talk.

[Oversoul]

Matt vote him with me

[Oversoul]

That's the first time you've called Benmage town even if it was an oblique read
When did you decide he was town?

[Oversoul]

I'm feeling better about benmage again

I will say this. If we don't lynch GG he will flee. And when he flees I was be absolutely livid that you made me lose the game.

me?

[Oversoul]

Alright, I'm making a list (these are really not in a particular order)

Likely Scum:

GuyInFridge, Venmar, Quilford, OS, JS, Molla

Meh:

Greygnarl, Kuribo, MattP, CES

VI:

KidA

To the answer that Benmage's is town, he's not on this list I made, OS. You, on the other hand..

I guess I should have asked why in conjunction with my other question.
Why are you making this difficult?

T-Bone, that is just BBmolla meta. He is a very hard person to read sometimes.
Look at the recently finished mini theme invitational run by Nexus

[Oversoul]

I'm feeling better about benmage again

I will say this. If we don't lynch GG he will flee. And when he flees I was be absolutely livid that you made me lose the game.

me?

He specifically said greygnarl. Guilty conscience much?

I was referencing the you in his post since it was after I had posted something.
Stretching much?

You know, I'm pretty sure that someone says "OS isn't this bad" in every other game I am in
And wow at the end of those games, yes I am amazingly that bad.

Gets old fast.

[Oversoul]

Oh please. does this ring a bell:


FUCK YOU ALL I AM A GOD

Enter, raise hell, flee. Sounds exactly like what you would do as scum.

That game was stupid as fuck and I was legitimately pissed because my own teammate outted me

[Oversoul]

Rewriting history?

What fucking crack are they cooking up in Montreal?

[Oversoul]

THE SCUM, FOR YOUR WEIGHING AND CONSIDERATION:
GuyInFreezer > read of game still incomplete? Suspicious stalling.
JacobSavage > I made case a few pages back. Feels sorry for difficult scum wincon.
BBMolla > caught for "wrong reasons" in #378.

OS, give me detailed reads on the three players above.

DETAILED.

How detailed are we talking? I can give you cliff notes version if you want since that really all I spent on brainpower in reading them.

GuyinFreezer - he could be stalling scum I will admit that because I have seen him around the site during the course of last night/today.
I believe at either 10:20 AM or 10:20 PM there was a lot of activity in this thread and he made a post in Mafia Discussion but didn't comment here. I thought that was odd given this game requires that everyone be active in order for the town to get anywhere.

I didn't like how he called me town and then immediately turned out and called me scum. Seemed like a very Fate thing to do just to try and send out feelers or look town.

I don't understand his most recent post addressing you DGB because he called Quil's RQS stupid/pointless but it looks town because he is bringing that up from earlier in the game as something he probably legitimately does not understand.

If I had to say anything about his alignment definitively, I'd probably be okay with listing him as town.

Jacob, I think is town.
I don't really see where you are getting this super scum vibe from Jacob for multiple reasons.
1) You accused Venmar the Neighbor in First Time Mafia for exactly the same thing (woe is the scum) that you are accusing Jacob here. If anything shouldn't your first reaction be to remember how you were wrong in applying that tell the last time you used it? Off shot of that... why the fuck would any scum say that publicly. That is something you bitch to the moderator about.
2) The "wishy washiness" about my wagon isn't really wishy washiness at all. I think it is fairly town since we are currently playing 3 games (if you count this) and applying meta from one game to another concurrently while playing another I think is a townie thing to do even if it is fakeable.
3) What do you mean he is "hung up" on the fleeing buddy?

This post is literally the only one of his that even mentions the word and it hardly seems "hung up"

VOTE: Ghostlin

Seems jumpy.

Is on most of the major bandwagons, looking like he's trying to get a lynch any lynch that isn't him.

Probably scumbuddy that will flee.

Thanks you can sheep me now.

That post also has the added cockiness line at the end which I don't think Jacob as scum would ever do. THen again I have never played with Jacob scum

The last point of your case is legitimate but by and large I consider your "case" bunk.

I think Jacob is probably town for the reasons I mentioned earlier countering your case.

BBmolla I think is town because of the audacity for his "if you chose me you lose" statement. It reminds me of his matter of fact and no fucks given minimal posting that he did in invitational 14 (the one that Nexus modded).

Looking at his iso there and his iso here, the games are pretty similar and it is a vibe that I get from BBomlla that he is town.
His "I can do one case better" in response to the "caught for the wrong reasons" point you bring up looks like he wants to teach Kid A a lesson more so than anything else given the perceived (on BBmolla's part) stupidity of the reasoning behind Kid A's vote.

So yeah.

I think your entire scum list is likely town DGB. If at the end of the game that happens to be true I want to hydra with you as a teaching lesson.

[Oversoul]

OS you listed reasons why GiF is possibly scum.... then call him town?

Those were the thing that I felt were scum from his iso, but my overall feeling of him as a whole is that he is likely town.

DGB tends to play up the real life excuses tell more than it is actually useful.

[Oversoul]

OS, your detailed read on Benmage please.

To expand upon what I said earlier, I thought his "plan" was suspicious as fuck and possibly a concocted attempt to gain town credit for misunderstanding something.

I thought he was town for his attack on you + trying to analyze the playerlist as a whole in terms of playing ability.

Recently I don't like how he gave up on trying to get you lynched, publicly planned to lynch someone he thought was town (although "less town than the others"), and then turns around and votes for the same person I am voting.

Because of that he is a weaker townread.

Kuribo, if you want me to list those 3 in terms of towniness to better help you understand my reasoning, it is Jacob > BB > GIF t

To compare, GIF and Benmage are near each other in that they did some weird and suspicious things, but overall I get a town impression from their slot.

Meanwhile, CES continues to ignore my questions and in general be useless. And I still don't get why DGB thinks that he is town.

[Oversoul]

No, I don't have a read one way or another where I am confident on Grey or Kanye.

[Oversoul]

Yes

[Oversoul]

Am I town to you or not Matt?

It seems like every time you discuss me I am town then scum then town then scum then town

[Oversoul]

pedit: I have NEVER explicitly said how I feel about you OS. And it's because my input right now regarding you is completely unneeded and I'd prefer to seem ambiguous. You don't really need my read on you, do you?

No I don't.

But this part of your post irks me so fucking much and it isn't even your fault to be honest.

---

I'm just gonna leave this game for awhile to clear my head and hopefully not scream

[Oversoul]

If it hasn't been evident I haven't been calling people scum UNLESS I have intent to vote them. I'd rather be playing my cards under the table for this game

I just want to shoot myself right now

[Oversoul]

Tbone is increasingly making me uncertain of my town read on him

[Oversoul]

And I told you all Kid A seemed fake as fuck but noooo
OS is scum don't fucking listen to him

Assholes

Pedit: they are essentially the same thing Kuribo
At least from my understanding

[Oversoul]

Im having bad feelings about Kid A being scum. :/
He seems so transparent and angry the last page and it makes me feel like he is town especially since I've been "there" and know those feelings

[Oversoul]

Seriously, what is happening to Kid A with Matt and Kuribo is a mirror of DGB and Tbone

[Oversoul]

Regarding me

[Oversoul]

If it's OS/Kid A I'd chortle

That would be very dumb.

Stall a lynch on my partner just so I can go right back to the hot seat? No. Try again.

I'm creating a line in my sig from now when people think they know how I work when they clearly don't.

This game, AFFC, and GvE will be The inaugural links.

[Oversoul]

he's not trying hard enough to convince me he's apathetic town.

there is no pleasing this guy

Welcome to my hell

[Oversoul]

yeah yeah, boo fucking hoo, you're being picked on by an aggressive town

You've never been there so you don't know it Kuribo.

And the wonderful Kanye finally shows himself

[Oversoul]

And an alt, right?

FUCK YOU DGB SO FUCKING HARD
HOLIER THAN THOU BULLSHIT

[Oversoul]

Is Kid A an alt?

Yes, a chesskid alt.

Hey Oversoul is asking stupid questions your strategy here?

DGB is right oversoul, that was a dumb question.

TWO dumb questions. Then some whining when called out on it.

The epitome of hypocrisy

[Oversoul]

DGB has been calling Kid A town for a while now and he wasn't widely suspected before MattP started the campaign against him

[Oversoul]

DGB literally you and Matt were in the First Time game with Venmar
His play is very similar as it is here

He does this blatant stuff all the time
It is just like BBmolla and how he does blatant shit all the time too

[Oversoul]

DGB literally you and Matt were in the First Time game with Venmar
His play is very similar as it is here

He does this blatant stuff all the time
It is just like BBmolla and how he does blatant shit all the time too

Am I voting Venmar right now?

No, I'm voting Kid A

As should you

This day is over

That wasn't addressed to you, I just included you because she'll actually listen to you

[Oversoul]

VOTE: Kid A

[Oversoul]

CES what exactly is the difference between DGB's play Tbone's play?

I find it hard to believe that you claim to be able to read Kuribo and DGB and not Tbone or even Quil for that matter.

[Oversoul]

VOTE: Kid A

Oversoul while you're here, please justify the above.

Basically prompting from Matt + my niggling suspicions from him earlier that made me think he was trying to play dumb town

[Oversoul]

I'm guessing we're all VT except for the scum but if anyone has a PR you should claim because scum has no nk

This

I thought it was trolling earlier because I thought Kid A was an alt but then Matt made me think otherwise about Kid with his whole crusade

[Oversoul]

I just said I think it is Kid A trying to play dumb town whereas before I thought it was trolling.

[Oversoul]

Only that post I think

[Oversoul]

This post is from May 4:

I didn't understand why you felt the need to start suspecting him {Kid A] for this when it was obvious that Kid A had to be either trolling or playing dumb?

Please explain how you are now thinking KidA is scum for "playing dumb" after you criticized another player for finding that same thing suspicious.

I've been over this twice already DGB
I thought Kid A was an alt at that point and I thought he was trolling because as an alt no one would be that dumb and ask that type of question or say that statement regarding the PRs and the scum nightkill.

The playing dumb was also part of the alt suspicion.

Now that he has confirmed he is not an alt and there was no other motive for that I think he was playing dumb in order to look town.
I know when I was a newbie I would purposefully feign naivety about a setup or something in the game in order to look town.

[Oversoul]

I wasn't intentionally trolling, but being obtuse.
You did? I haven't read much since page ~19 or something.
All I remember is you saying "it is a distraction, wasting time etc"

Oversoul, is that YOU, playing dumb?

No. That was the truth.
I did not remember what was the reasoning that was being thrown around other than the big stuff that I thought was ridiculous.

Venmar, is this going to be like where you called Jal scum all game long?

[Oversoul]

DGB any OS + person scum team is going to be at least half wrong.

I don't know what I have to do to prove that I am town but you're looking at this game completely wrong if you keep thinking that I am scum.

[Oversoul]

Sometimes I wonder why you don't follow my reads Mattp. GG is quite obviously scum..

Why would you expect MattP to follow your reads? He's obviously not the following type.

Why did you single out this post?

[Oversoul]

Lol.

[Oversoul]

That's Jacob for you. It is alignment null

[Oversoul]

You can stop active lurking now

[Oversoul]

I've been busy.

I need sleep, I might think of something insightful to say overnight.

It probably won't be though.

Come on. This IS scum.

Yeah, it is.

Unvote.

Vote: JS

Sure are a lot of scum in this game for DGB to be able to repeat "player = scum" and for everyone to still agree with her

DGB, in an identical situation, would it be not scum if Jacob was on and just avoided the thread?

[Oversoul]

I chuckled. I'll make it more english now.

In an identical situation, would Jacob still be scum if he was visibly on the site and instead avoided the thread rather than make that post?

[Oversoul]

I really need to sort out my scum reads and create a diagram for myself of who they're calling scum.

Hey Oversoul- Greygnarl. Scum or town?

Not sure.

I think DGB is probably town though.

CES/Benmage doing nothing bothers the living crap out of me though.

[Oversoul]

Kuribo calm the fuck down.

It's mothers day.

[Oversoul]

and why do you think Ghostlin is scum? He's town as fuck

I really thought that "town attitude post" you made earlier looked fake as fuck personally.
Do you have any other reasoning to call him town?

[Oversoul]

I'M READY TO FUCKING RAGE TOO

This is also fake as fuck too.
Do you have your own style of play yet, or are you just gonna make cheap imitations like the Chinese?

[Oversoul]

Oversoul - Leaning Scum, he's playing really weird, and his ignore Jacob posts set me off.

How am I ignoring Jacob?
I'm pretty sure I called him town when DGB made that reads list.

I still think he is town.

[Oversoul]

Yup.

VOTE: Benmage

[Oversoul]

Oversoul - Leaning Scum, he's playing really weird, and his ignore Jacob posts set me off.

How am I ignoring Jacob?
I'm pretty sure I called him town when DGB made that reads list.

I still think he is town.

strawman ho!

Please explain how that was a strawman when that is the only credible thing to talk about in your "read" of me.

[Oversoul]

That was me saying that DGB's point that Jacob "lurking" was scum when in reality it wasn't. It is null for him.

[Oversoul]

That was me saying that DGB's point that Jacob "lurking" was scum when in reality it wasn't. It is null for him.

Yes, and that is why I think you and Jacob are a possible scumteam. You haven't tried to defend people attacking Jacob for lurking except for that one post, where you basically try to derail his wagon.

When they were going after GIF for lurking I defended him.

Are you even reading my posts or are you just making stuff up as you go along?

VOTE: Greygnarl

[Oversoul]

Well I thought I would be better able to explain it but in light of other things I can't

fail

Because Jacob seems to me like a type of player who doesn't "care" about mafia games in the same way that say DGB, Kuribo, you, and me probably care.

I wish I could explain it better but without pointing you to other town games of Jacob I can't other than the general impression I get from his posts

[Oversoul]

Because Jacob seems to me like a type of player who doesn't "care" about mafia games in the same way that say DGB, Kuribo, you, and me probably care.

how is not caring a town tell?

Because if he was scum and not caring he would try to mimic being town and thus caring.

[Oversoul]

Kuribo et al, just go look at Jacob's games. Completed and such.

Come back once you've seen him play.

[Oversoul]

I don't see GG as scum, you'd have to convince me.

I don't like the JS wagon, though. Two of my scumreads and LurkInFreezer? They're tainting your beautiful wagon, and that might be why I'm having a hard time seeing JS as scum.

Please note that Oversoul only recently joined the GG wagon when it became obvious that JS is the likely lynch. Oversoul is absolutely the kind of player to soft-bus when his partner's not in any real danger.

I'd like to know what gives you the expertise to say "Oversoul is absolutely the type of player" when we've played in 1 game Kuribo? Correct me if I am wrong.

[Oversoul]

Uhhh

I lurked like a mofo
Do you claim that is good scum game?

Pedit: I don't know what you are referring to
Voting tactics?

[Oversoul]

I'm not hammering someone I fully believe is town.

[Oversoul]

No I haven't.

[Oversoul]

That post was about as deep as any of CES's, I don't see the problem. Unless you don't think CES is town anymore?

[Oversoul]

Yes.

No man, I don't think you get it. You have to pick which one you want more.

Make me.

Cases are scummy.

Unvote, vote: GIF

give us some fucking input fuck you

I already told you your stuff was boring. Oversoul's stuff is even more inane. I have better stuff to do.

I *think* CES is town. Am I right, CES?

Yarr.

Kid A, you're very impressionable.

Unvote, vote: Oversoul

Clearly taking advantage of the fact that everyone says he is hard to read.

Pretty sure I'm just busy.

Greygnarl doesn't feel like scum here.

I'm not getting into the town bloc then, MattP?

Can we go back to lynching OS, DGb?

@MOD

I don't think this was reflected in the last two VC's:

unvote vote CES

Fixed in the latest one, sorry -Zor

It's the mod telling you to vote better, benmage.

so anyone got a decent read on ces because i need that

I'm doubleplustown. *rawr*

Those reads seem plausible enough.

Why aren't you trying to win, JS?

Because all of those aren't shallow or anything right DgB?

[Oversoul]

Protip: you don't lynch CES ever in this style of game

And what about Benmage?

[Oversoul]

Fine
Lynch whoever the fuck you fuckers want to lynch anyway

If it is more of DGB's crap case on lurkers be my guest. I'm not helping you there.

When we don't win because omg scummy town fucking pile your suspicions onto me and then when you don't win then suck my dick

This is why Type A Towns will never ever win anything

[Oversoul]

Nice try

FUCK YOU

FUCK THIS TOWN

THE FACT THAT BENMAGE LITERALLY GOT AWAY WITH POSTING FUCKING BULL CRAP FOR THE LAST 3 FUCKING DAYS IS PROOF THAT ALL OF YOU WHO THINK YOU ARE "SO FUCKING GOOD" ARE FUCKING PIECES OF TRASH

FUCK ALL OF YOU FUCK EVERY PLAYER IN THIS GAME THAT THINKS THEY ARE GOOD FUCK THIS AND FUCK THE PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT BEN WAS FUCKING TOWN

OH MY QUESTIONS WERE FUCKING STUPID DGB? REALLY NOW? I FUCKING KNEW SOMETHING WAS UP WITH GOD DAMN BEN. HE DOENS'T PLAY LIKE THAT BUT NO YOU HAD TO CREATE A FUCKING TIRADE AGAINST MY GOD DAMN SLOT

FUCK YOU.

FUCK ALL OF YOU YOU FUCKING PRICKS

[Oversoul]

EVERYONE SINGLE FUCKER ON THE FUCKING JACOBSAVAGE WAGON IS SO FUCKING BAD AT THIS GAME THEY SHOULD JUST UNINSTALL WHATEVER THE FUCK BROWSER THEY USE OR LOCK MS.NET FROM EVER BEING OPENED AGAIN

FUCKING IDIOTS

[Oversoul]

im still happy w. js lynch even if it flipped town cus fuck that kid.

i dont think other scum is on the wagon.

SHUT THE FUCK UP AT LEAST HIS PLAY IS GOD DAMN TRANSPARENT AS FUCK BUT YOU ALL ARE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO SEE THAT

[Oversoul]

BY THE WAY I DON'T THINK I AM GOING TO TAKE CAPS LOCK FOR THE REST OF THIS GAME SO YOU CAN SUCK MY DICKS YOU FUCKIGN RETARDS

[Oversoul]

And fuck you too oversoul

if youre town, your bullshit play helped give ben a smokescreen

if youre scum youre still likely to lose

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

[Oversoul]

Shut the fuck up OS. Stop complaining or replace out.

NOPE. I GET TO YELL NOW.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

KID A YOU JUST SET THAT SHIT UP?

THIS

THIS IS FAKE AS FUCK

KURIBO YOU HAD JUST AS MUCH IF NOT COMPLETELY MORE INPUT ON THAT STUPID FUCKING WAGON AND YOU GO AND CALL KID A ON THAT?

YA OK.

IF YOU KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SO EARLIER.

I FOUND MY FUCKING ACCUSE VOTE I SUGGEST AT LEAST 1 OTHER PERSON GOES HERE SO YOU ALL DUMB FUCKS DON'T NULL MY ACCUSE BY CHOSING ME

[Oversoul]

BENMAGE FUCKING RAN BECAUSE I SURE AS HELL WAS NEVER GOING TO LET HIM GET AWAY WITH POSTING THAT SHIT

[Oversoul]

Oversoul, i lean town on her.

also, you are seriously playing the "I WUZ JUST TROLLIN U GUYZ" card? You cant CARNIVAL OF LUNACY with me here and expect to get away with it

and dont pretend i hadnt already explained why i find you scummy

this was the first time that Kuribo called DGB town

earlier he called her wagon scum driven because they were trying to get a top scumhunter killed

kuribo at that point could have called her town

but he didn't

despite the fact that he has a proported 100% accuracy in reading DGB

so yes

kuribo can fucking die

[Oversoul]

Very few players were suspicious of Benmage except me as a secondary scum read and a few other players.

Which means that Benmage was the most suspected player of the duo. Therefore, the remaining scumbag MUST HAVE ENTIRELY ESCAPED DETECTION.

IF YOU SUSPECTED BENMAGE PLEASE QUOTE RELEVENT POSTS.

It will take me to long to extract them.

large wagon on the other scum that died out and turned to town reads is also likely. its what i would have been gunning for in this game as scum.

DGB THIS LOGIC IS RETARDED SINCE I AM PRETTY SURE THE SCUM PLANNED TO HAVE BEN RUN THE MOMENT HE STARTED MAKING LOLEMOTICON POSTS
SO YES IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO A REREAD START FROM THERE WOULD BE THE BEST BET FOR SKETCHINESS IMO

[Oversoul]

DGB

I respect you so much as a player that I think you'd not flee in this situation

And that is why I refuse to not switch.

I'm gonna lose because of it but I'll lose satisfied with my vote.

Unless it's CES. Then I'll be a bit miffed.

And yeah I already claimed scum, it's obvious, I never even addressed Benmage, so target me

ALL OF THIS DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE IF YOU ARE SCUM YOU DON'T HAVE A VOTE TO "LOSE"
ALSO FUCK YOU WHY WOULD YOU CLAIM SCUM AT THIS POINT IN THE GAME

[Oversoul]

3. Please remember that the player with the most accusations on them has their accusation ignored, meaning they automatically lose. This makes it pay not to be suspected by players.

oh kay

nvm I'm not scum

lmfao

[Oversoul]

I am also willing to vote Ghostlin for the simple fact that he and Bemage said "this isn't the first rodeo"

THATS FUCKING SUSPECT

[Oversoul]

lol

No we spent like 11 days dicking around getting nothing done why the fuck would we not take time to try to figure this out when we have confirmed scum.

Who are you accusing again?

[Oversoul]

I really don't care if I personally win this because I already won this in my heart when Ben fleed

Ideally I would like it so that the MAFIA don't win but I just know someone is going to be a fucking dick head and not go along with a plan and vote someone else to ensure mafia loss because they want to be greedy and try to win

so fuck everyone

also, afte rthis game, definitely blacklisting some players

and it isn't going to be the lurkers either

[Oversoul]

But Kid A is so obvious town it hurts so it's another moot point.

When did you come to this conclusion?
Before or after DGB said it?

Also, what happened to your Benmage read? That seems to have gone the way of the dodo unless it was a dodo to begin with.

Hey Oversoul, remember this ^^^

What was it about?

The fact that Tbone has basically tried to crawl so far up your ass he wanted to become a part of your colon I wanted to see if he had any original reads

If you think I am Benmage's buddy you are going to be at the top of my new flashy blacklist

I really wanted to be able to play games with you

Maybe give you a chance to... well... get even or something.

But if you keep this up, you'll never have the chance because I will never /in to a game you play and will immediately replace out into a game that I am in and you replace into

Just letting you know so you don't go making any more god damn stupid mistakes

[Oversoul]

if we are circle accusing we have to name the person that is most likely pro town
and name the person that is most likely not town

because if the maximum number of accuses on a person is 1, i think it goes to random.org to decide if they get blocke

and the mafia don't have an accuse so if we "double" up on someone it might not actually be double up

I hav eaheadache and I am angry

smarter people hash out the plan

[Oversoul]

Oh shut the fuck up Tbone
You are definitely on my blacklist after this game

It is a broken aspect of the mechanic that Zor designed

If he wants to modkill us or blacklist us all it his prerogative. I don't think he will ever do this mechanic again though 1) because he doesn't like reusing things and 2) because it was honestly horrible being a player in this game


DGB I only had a townread on him because of pressure and the fact that what I was trying to get from him was ruined by you Kuribo and Bonehead over there

All three of you completely evaporated my town credit and standing in this game so Ben was able to just ignore and give a bs answer when he finally did answer when if you had just left me to my devices and do my own thing I would have either gotten the wrong answer on my own and just be sulking right now rather wanting to rip everyone 's head off

DGB you can vote me but you cannot deny that you almost destroyed the early game


Pedit: DGB you can't "call" two spots you greedy bitch. Shit or get off the pot.

Ok. So doubling up on Tbone for a fact then to spite him.
Thats what happens whe. You don't play the game Tbone. You fucking lose.

[Oversoul]

I have dibs on Kuribo

[Oversoul]

What the hell is your list DGB

Can't we only accuse one person?

[Oversoul]

Ok. I understand

Make mine Kuribo and Ghostlin then

[Oversoul]

By the way if someone doesn't care about wimmin (JacobSavage would you fucking look at that) could they double up on Tbone

Thanks, that would be great. Spite the fucker.

[Oversoul]

(JacobSavage would you fucking look at that)

NO FUCKING KIDDING

With townies like JS who needs scum

Anyway moving on

He was obvious town and I tried pointing you all to ongoing games but nope you are all too fucking stupid

[Oversoul]

Also I am willing to bet that certain individuals aren't going to post here other than to dodge prods and won't put their accusations because they feel that they will win

Pedit: YOU CLEARLY FUCKING DIDN'T
Literally you had to cross analyze MY ongoing games and Jacobs and you basically get what I was getting st

[Oversoul]

You lynched Jacob using that logic.

And magically, he turned up town.

This make the second game that DGB tried to kill an obvious town person for a terrible terrible tell.

[Oversoul]

Well ironically the First Time was well...

Ya..

[Oversoul]

cross analyze MY ongoing games

Didn't do

that

. Only looked at JS.

Why the fuck would I be so defensive of him from a game where I didn't have personal knowledge/first hand experience??

[Oversoul]

Oversoul, ill straight up tell you it was DGB that convinced me JS was scum and until ben hammered, i was convinced he was scum
no, i didnt realize Kid A had L-1 him, but fuck it, im not sure i'd have unvoted anyway.

besides, why do you care who i vote?

pedit: sure DGB

That's why my earlier point about you being fake as fuck holds true

[Oversoul]

Kuribo, do me a favor, quote the post you voted JS, and any mention of his wagon, particularly the L-1 basically being lynch relating to the JS wagon itself

Im on my phone and can't easily access the iso

[Oversoul]

1) quote your post where you voted Jacob
2) quote your posts where you refer to his wagon, especially if you make mention of the l-1 = lynch that you talked about earlier with Matt

[Oversoul]

Wow Oversoul you're a little bitch. Hell I was behind you towards the end. So fuck off. Go ahead and blacklist this player list. It'll ensure you never play mafia again, because we all play quite a bit.

Yup yup. Double up on him.

[Oversoul]

I'm not blacklisting the playerlist. Only selected individuals.

Already made that clear. Plus you can still redeem yourself if you cooperate. Until you do, you are getting double up'ed.

[Oversoul]

The wincondition is really moot considering everything

Especially human nature which some of you can't seem to grasp

[Oversoul]

^

[Oversoul]

Tbone you can call your fucking accusation it won't make a difference my god.

[Oversoul]

Ok

Tbone is scum because he won't cooperate

Accuse him

Happy?

[Oversoul]

She has you listed as out and your open confessions that you aren't going to agree with it

Lol Tbone. You don't know the lengths I am willing to go to get what I want.

[Oversoul]

Self aligned really is such a horrible fate since you are accountable to no one but yourself.

It may be against the spirit of the game as you say, but that isn't a bannable offence
It may be a blacklist able offence depending on how "moral" the person wants to be

In reality you owe nothing to anyone. You aren't making another player on your team lose because of your actions. If I vote you and double on you, that is my prerogative. I could "think" about you being scum but you'll never know truly

Is this a ploy, or do I mean everything I say?
I could always lie about it end game and you all would never know
And it wouldn't matter

Because I was self aligned

[Oversoul]

Maybe Grey

[Oversoul]

But Tbone just gamed himself
So I guess I can use my day ruining skills elsewhere now



Who isn't going to comply now?

[Oversoul]

Oversoul was that an epic, a saga or a poem?

Poem although that was not my intention at all

[Oversoul]

MattP I can guarantee you that Venmar is not scum
You are probably going to lose

[Oversoul]

Yup
Accusations stays

[Oversoul]

CES, maybe. Are you not willing to comply?

[Oversoul]

P.S. OS, are you really blacklisting people for not helping you compromise the integrity of the game?

I was actually talking about you being huffy about the JS mislynch. The plan is so silly I'm not even paying attention to it.

Are you sure that's what you were talking about? You pretty much mentioned the plan in that post.

[Oversoul]

Matt, if you have a phone, it still works with the accusation form.

[Oversoul]

P.S. OS, are you really blacklisting people for not helping you compromise the integrity of the game?

I was actually talking about you being huffy about the JS mislynch. The plan is so silly I'm not even paying attention to it.

Are you sure that's what you were talking about? You pretty much mentioned the plan in that post.

Guess you're being sillier than I thought.

Then help me not be silly, please.

[Oversoul]

Psychedelic, DGB.

Lol, Venmar.

[Oversoul]

I'd like help CES :/

[Oversoul]

Meh. I don't know.

I'm just going with my gut from early early game since it worked for Ben.

This game honestly burned me out.

I'll explain my flip out post game too

[Oversoul]

Who are you accusing though?

[Oversoul]

Why would it?

[Oversoul]

I don't know why people get so cranky about that.

It is an insurance policy that scum lose.

It really doesn't mean ill will

[Oversoul]

Why did you choose Kanye specificallly I haven't really had anything to do with him this game

[Oversoul]

Nah, I don't think that was the case

[Oversoul]

VOTE: end game

[Oversoul]

T-Bone,
Kid A
BBMolla
Oversoul

FOUR players in a rush to end the game before someone votes them.

I may just go back on Oversoul.

I just don't care anymore

Null my choice, I've had it with this game and this playerlist.

Never again will I join a game with so many "good" players

[Oversoul]

Why does it matter to if you Matt and I have one if you aren't voting either of us?

[Oversoul]

I could see Matt being scum but I'm voting Ghostlin right now so I don't know what to do :/

[Oversoul]

UNVOTE:

[Oversoul]

VOTE: Oversoul

Now what?

[Oversoul]

Also, what is with the Chamber-esque avatars, DGB and BB?

[Oversoul]

Ya. Matt is in other games and he has been mighty flaky this past month but as far as I can tell, Kanye's tell might be legit so... I would like more clarification on that if possible Kanye

[Oversoul]

Ya. Matt is in other games and he has been mighty flaky this past month but as far as I can tell, Kanye's tell might be legit so... I would like more clarification on that if possible Kanye

My computer completely crashed

I've been absent throughout the entire forum

If you ACTUALLY think I would lie about that thoroughly to "win a game" that is pathetic

Which is what I was saying?

I didn't put much stock into Kanye's tell because I know you've been rather flaky this past month.
However, I noted one peculiarity about your flakiness in this game versus your others, which is why I wanted Kanye to explain more.

Regardless, I think your response here is much like mine with regards anger towards the game and playerlist so whatever Kanye's cooking it would have to be absolute if I am ever going to vote you.

@DGB, too chummy? Bitch.

Better?

You're going for a loss DGB and despite me trying to point you in the right direction it seems like you *want* to lose.

[Oversoul]

On the one hand I really want to end it, on the other I want the fortnightliness to continue like CES wants just because

I'll make my decision after I eat something

[Oversoul]

I got a nice little PM from Zor about the game ending I'm fighting urges to end the game or let it continue >_>

Matt iIm pretty sure someone is voting you. I think BB

[Oversoul]

If you get DGB to kiss me maybe
(too chummy DGB?)

[Oversoul]

Why do you keep lying Matt

[Oversoul]

SHIT is offering kissing in exchange for shit breaking the rules?

Pedit: for Christs sake I'm not voting you GG I'm voting kanye just fucking end the game

That'd be lultastic

[Oversoul]

If you vote Matt I'll end the game

[Oversoul]

Then he didn't so lie is over

How is that "keep lying" it was one lie

How do I know this isn't a lie

[Oversoul]

SHIT is offering kissing in exchange for shit breaking the rules?

As long as it's within the game...

*pucker up*

*smooches DGb*

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhHhHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhHHhhhhHhHhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!