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Hey all, sorry for the late start, but I am on a business trip for the week and will be very limitted access until Friday.
I will only be able to post late night and from my phone until then...i'll try and get caught up by tomorrow night..

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I am finally back from my trip so I can get properly caught up…
however, I have to say it really hurt my brain to read through this stuff…
The mod has my thanks for replacing BB out…


now on to some serious stuff:
Starting with the Post Restrictions…
seeing as there looks to be quite a few of them this game, it might be a good bet that there would be at least 1 scum amongst them:

Amrun:

She has been pretty straight forward and to the point, and I like her line of thinking. She reads pretty town to me.

Agent Ireland:

Posting in pics is pretty hard to do…so far nothing he has done has looked pro-town or overly scummy. Although he did throw a vote on PM after his early claim, stating he could be fakeclaiming Vig as an SK…

Porochaz:

354 was a town post…

Elmo :

not really a whole lot to go on, however, in his 174 (he only had 1 post in game prior saying he would read up later),he says he's not caught up. He asks for a tldr of the game, but then says he doesn't like iDanny or BB and votes iDanny. He also states Amrun is obvtown and that PM's claim means nothing....So, for not being caught up, he sure seems be caught up...

so out of the 4 PR's possibly Agent or Elmo as scum…

Seanald:

Is fishing with his post 150 question to PM about a PR claim and saying he expects it to be answered…PM then horribly soft claim's , and then Sean's 182 asks for him to clarify and in the same post uses the fact that Pokemon came out in (very) late 90's to discredit the claim. Post 202 he goes so far as to say that anyone who says PM's wagon is dumb is scum.

Vote: Seanald

ugh, this is taking longer than expected so I'll have to post the rest of my reads later…

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@Sean
On my phone do i'll have to keep it short...

Yes I did read the thread and didnt just ISO you...
Tell me, when is it good to out a PR? Its not...
PM's play is newb/VI and he obviously doesn't know how to handle his role.
he probably got a little over excited about what he is and hinted at PR...it had nothing to do with the argument on him at the time...
and rather than just letting it go, you actively call him out on it...
and him not knowing any better, claims...



And to answer your question:
PM's play has been classic newb...over-eager and trying too hard to fit in and show worth...
I seriously doubt his play is faked...

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PM's play has been classic newb...over-eager and trying too hard to fit in and show worth...
I seriously doubt his play is faked...

To your last statement.

Only reason why we know that, is by going through the process we had to go through with PM to figure that out.

as a replacement you have no reference point to how it "felt" to be in the conversation at that point. Hind site is 20x20 and you get to come in with it.

And so my question is. You believe PM's role claim 100% and you think he is confirmed town then?

What about my previous statement? You don't see anything wrong with trying to out a PR?
To answer your question though,
Yes, i believe PM's claim and that i think he is town. The bolded above suggests that you do to...or do you? Hard to understand really as you flopped a few times in between.
hmm..just coming off of your post 182 where you pressure him to clarify his Vig claim, and state that Pokemon is probably a fake claim. PM replies that his claim is real:

Post185

Your playing so bad Its almost like I have to believe you....
Also, going off of the reasoning of believing PM. It turns to trying to find the scum that hopped on his wagon throughout the day.

Here you are saying that you believe him, and intend to scum hunt based on opportunistic wagon voters, and you even give a little bit of input based on that (Jal for example). Fair enough.

Post 202

The PM lynch is in no way a bad choice. He has played Anti-town this entire time, If he is town then we are just getting someone who will just be a distraction out of the way. He should be ashamed of himself for signing up on this game or the mod should have checked how qualified he was.

now PM has not posted since, and here you are now justifying the wagon on him, even if he is town...

Post 215

now the scum wants to know all the characters so he can help his team figure out who to kill before he dies....

And then after a single post from PM, he is suddenly back to being scum.




And now you are back to believing him?

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@Sword- I think the Post Restriction players probably contain scum, but there is also the possibility that someone is faking it. As long as they are contributing, I won;t hold any of the PRs against them, but I'm not giving town cred for them either.

yeh the possibility of someone faking a Restriction has definitely crossed my mind...Scum could fake a PR to look town under the general assumption that Restrictions are town roles.

@Agent,
it could be a possibility, but PM's play is so bad that i seriously doubt it...why wouldn't he just claim full vig as opposed to odd night?

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PS: One of Guy Named Riggs, Nero Cain or Kdowns are going to be lynched today

why not Seanald?

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@ Agent :
i think photobucket or tinypic can help you with the resize issue...

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Amrun,
I don't swee RBT as overly scummy…Pere was one of the leading wagons for a while and looked to have stalled.. RBT had posted a few times in between that time along with Vote counts, so it doesn't look like there was a sudden threat or anything that would scare RBT off of the wagon pressure...
plus there are scummier people…


(hint: Seanald)

role fishing and trying (and succeeding) to out a PR:

Seanald: Is fishing with his post 150 question to PM about a PR claim and saying he expects it to be answered…PM then horribly soft claim's , and then Sean's 182 asks for him to clarify and in the same post uses the fact that Pokemon came out in (very) late 90's to discredit the claim. Post 202 he goes so far as to say that anyone who says PM's wagon is dumb is scum

[quote=""sword_of_omens""] Tell me, when is it good to out a PR? Its not...
PM's play is newb/VI and he obviously doesn't know how to handle his role.
he probably got a little over excited about what he is and hinted at PR...

it had nothing to do with the argument on him at the time...

and rather than just letting it go, you actively call him out on it...
and him not knowing any better, claims...[/quote]

Flopping:

Yes, i believe PM's claim and that i think he is town. The bolded above suggests that you do to...or do you? Hard to understand really as you flopped a few times in between.
hmm..just coming off of your post 182 where you pressure him to clarify his Vig claim, and state that Pokemon is probably a fake claim. PM replies that his claim is real:

Post185

Your playing so bad Its almost like I have to believe you....
Also, going off of the reasoning of believing PM. It turns to trying to find the scum that hopped on his wagon throughout the day.

Here you are saying that you believe him, and intend to scum hunt based on opportunistic wagon voters, and you even give a little bit of input based on that (Jal for example). Fair enough.

Post 202

The PM lynch is in no way a bad choice. He has played Anti-town this entire time, If he is town then we are just getting someone who will just be a distraction out of the way. He should be ashamed of himself for signing up on this game or the mod should have checked how qualified he was.

now PM has not posted since, and here you are now justifying the wagon on him, even if he is town...

Post 215

now the scum wants to know all the characters so he can help his team figure out who to kill before he dies....

And then after a single post from PM, he is suddenly back to being scum.


And now you are back to believing him?

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@curiouskarmadog: Can you make some sort of case on Seanald? I really don't think he's scummy, and don't see much in your ISO (nor his ISO) to convince me.

Really?
Please read 579 in its entirety

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hey all...
i am going to be V/LA for the weekend

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-Sword, do you think it is a coincidence that Pmyst's avatar is a pokemon? Seanald's stance on Pmyst that you point out interests me though.

hmmm, i didn't even give it thought. i'm used to seeing a few pokemon avatars here and there so it didn't really cross my mind...
either way, i wouldn't really read much into it...

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damnit....as much as i hate to say this...i believe Seanald's claim...

Unvote: Seanald

i'm going to go back and look into the other wagons ....

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sword, is that a deadline lynch or do you actually think Seanald is scum?

It was an Unvote...but ISO me...i had thought Seanald to be scummy pretty much all of this day and have been pushing for his lynch...

not sure why sword thought he should unvote.

i noticed something about his claim...
admittedly it was small, but it's enough to give me pause for now...

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@Agent,

umm..We still have a week to go...
Also, there were a number of unvotes (with reasoning) on Seanald...
care to rethink your strategy?

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Is it possible that the thing you're noticing was copy/pasted immediately from that sample role pm?

No...it wasn't a copy/paste issue from the sample. I did compare Seanald's with the sample.
like i said:

i noticed something about his claim...

admittedly it was small

, but it's enough to give me

pause for now...

@Arugula, you unvoted after me stating that you saw the same thing as i did. Just to be sure you and i are on the same page, i wouldn't say Seanald is conftown just yet based on what i saw...i would probably have to see another flip to verify... Does what you see have to do with a specific number of words? And if so, how many?

Lucky, Oversoul, Sword, why aren't you voting anyone?

I wanted some time to re-read and evaluate the wagons, and ISO a few people first...admittedly, most of my day has been used to push my Seanald case...

@MOD: i will be V/LA for the weekend starting in about 4 hours.

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He used Doug's last name

Full

name,
and yes..that's what it was.
i have a

full

name as well , and the sample only has first and last...

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tag fail

@Mod fixxy fixxy, pretty please?

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i didn't say it auto-cleared him...i said it was something small enough to give me pause...
if i was scum faking a VT claim, i would try and stay as close to the VT sample as possible....

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Back from my V/LA...On my phone right now, but
i have to do a half day trip out of town for work but should be caught up by tomorrow afternoon...

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yeh, not too impressed with iDanny's contribution (or lack of)
i am willing to hammer...

now would be a good time to talk...

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lll give him a little time to give us his reads just in case..
We still have 2 days

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God seanald is so Fucking scummy......what is the chance we can rally a last minute rewagon there?

yeh, after more thought on Seanald, i would back this..however, with only a day left, i doubt it will happen..




it appears iDanny isn't going to give us anything else to work with, so i'm ready to hammer...
if anyone objects, let me know....

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like, forgot your PR?

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hey all, i apologize...
i've had some work emergencies spring up and haven't been able to post...
i should be good going forward and will be caught up by tonight or tomorrow at the latest

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sorry guys, been very busy and i do apologize...
quick read through since the flip...


Considering this:

Brain: Yes my follow evil doers. Go make your kill. Who are you going to target this night?
mafia member: We don't like Angelica Pickles, she like to tattle to her parents.
Brain: Use this.
mafia member: Oooooooo shiny!

how would you even think this be anything BUT a scum kill.
you would have to be blind...

OS said he was trying to see if anyone would try and feed off of the misdirection...it was a pretty horrid gambit that backfired on him..
I don't think OS is scum,...although i'll look more closely into the days events tomorrow...

for now, i'd like to go back to:

Vote: Seanald

i admit the main reason for my unvote on him was the fullname part of his claim...but he has been by far the scummiest player of the game.



ok, i'm off to the Batman marathon for the premiere so i'll post tomorrow...

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Not exactly. Just because not everyone has full names doesn't mean Seanald using one means nothing. Fact is there are full names. Maybe he decided to look up Doug's, but it's more likely that it's really his role to me.

The only thing I can see is if he looked at the sample PM and thought "crap, I need the full name".

that was the main the reason i unvoted originally...The sample does NOT have a full name listed, so he couldn't have looked and thought that he needed a full name. I noticed that mine did and when Seanald claimed his, i thought it might be a way of detecting fakeclaims...again, i said it was a small hope, and that a flip would be needed to test it's theory...and now that Angelica's flip has proven otherwise, it's a moot point.

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@MOD , i will be V/LA for the weekend as per my usual please....

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sorry, i've been pretty busy...
going to read up on this...
i'll have some thoughts put together tomorrow...

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hey all, sorry...had a work emergency on monday and had to drive out of town.
i'm back now...gonna catch up and post shortly.

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back from V/LA
gonna catch up and post later today...

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I was going to wait for Sword of Omens, but I guess that isn't going to come

i do apologize...i haven't had the chance to give this a proper read...i am looking at this now and will post up with thoughts on everyone before i leave work today,,,

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Lucky, what?

Oversoul, you've subtly implied more than once that you are a bomb...

as far as you and Nero go, i'm pretty torn between you two...
i really don't think your bad gambit was scum motivated...although i don't like the "bomb" hints after your VT claim....

@CKD : i also read Nero's wording of the night events as a slip....

Seanald is scum regardless....

i think Michel warrants a closer look.

Jal is town.

I'd prefer to lynch Seanald today...but If it comes down to Nero or OS (which it might because they are more of a distraction to town than anything else) then i would prefer Nero.

Vote: Seanald

i have to run right now, but i will try and get back on at a coffee shop or something later tonight to elaborate...

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On my phone...

@Oversoul,
That doesnt even make sense...
Im not affraid to vote you because I think you're
a bomb..that has nothing to do with it....
The reason I'm not voting you is because I think your gambit wasnt scum motivated...
I dont believe for one second you're a bomb, i think it was kind of silly for you to try to imply that you were though...look at your 1543 again...thats what lucky was talking about...
I was answering your question to Lucky....
also, not even sure why you asked me to vote you in the first place,
Considering I just got done saying I preferred Nero's lynch over you...


Like I said, I think Seanald is the right choice for the day..

and if I can't get that, then Nero...

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I can put a case on him tomorrow...
My ISO already has one and i can add to that..

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@Jal: I am still torn on the Nero/Oversoul debacle, whereas Seanald is pretty much confirmed scum…


Oversoul's post here :

Where were the bomb comments? I was talking specifically about Nero.

followed up by this:

Also, I did the vengeful subtleties because I wanted to see who was scared of hammering me after I claimed Vanilla. Realistically they should have realized Peggy Hill Vengeful doesn't really make sense given the flavor of the PRs we have.

this is what makes me have second thoughts about Oversoul…he first says he's not aware of any hints he's given accidental or otherwise, then turns around and says , "oh yeh, I was just testing to see who would be scared to lynch me"…again, I don't if it was a weak gambit, or if he didn't realize he was hinting at bomb and when it was pointed out he tried to make something out of it or what...either way it was bad as i doubt anyone would believe his bomb/vengeful claim anyway...

When it comes to Nero, he's mentioned rolecop more than a few times insinuating that he knows that there is one…

ummm...wow. Way to not read. Kdowns being killed by lightning confirms that PM has a killing role. It doesn't confirm him as vig though. Hello rolecop.

So who did you waste your rolecop on then?

I'm just sayin' that if KMD were rolecopped or tracked then scum would know he has a power.

that coupled with this:

opps, posted submit instead of preview. I can't control who gets killed at night. KMD was a power so perhaps his power outweighed the risk of OS getting lynched.

makes it seem more of a slip to me….

Now Seanald is more cut and dry:
He was rolefishing early on, and deliberately (and successfully) tried to out a PR, not to mention his flopping…

role fishing and trying (and succeeding) to out a PR:

[quote=""sword_of_omens""]Seanald: Is fishing with his post 150 question to PM about a PR claim and saying he expects it to be answered…PM then horribly soft claim's , and then Sean's 182 asks for him to clarify and in the same post uses the fact that Pokemon came out in (very) late 90's to discredit the claim. Post 202 he goes so far as to say that anyone who says PM's wagon is dumb is scum

Tell me, when is it good to out a PR? Its not...
PM's play is newb/VI and he obviously doesn't know how to handle his role.
he probably got a little over excited about what he is and hinted at PR...

it had nothing to do with the argument on him at the time...

and rather than just letting it go, you actively call him out on it...
and him not knowing any better, claims...

Flopping:

[quote=""In post 525, sword_of_omens""]
Yes, i believe PM's claim and that i think he is town. The bolded above suggests that you do to...or do you? Hard to understand really as you flopped a few times in between.
hmm..just coming off of your post 182 where you pressure him to clarify his Vig claim, and state that Pokemon is probably a fake claim. PM replies that his claim is real:

Post185

Your playing so bad Its almost like I have to believe you....
Also, going off of the reasoning of believing PM. It turns to trying to find the scum that hopped on his wagon throughout the day.

Here you are saying that you believe him, and intend to scum hunt based on opportunistic wagon voters, and you even give a little bit of input based on that (Jal for example). Fair enough.

Post 202

[quote=""Sean""]
The PM lynch is in no way a bad choice. He has played Anti-town this entire time, If he is town then we are just getting someone who will just be a distraction out of the way. He should be ashamed of himself for signing up on this game or the mod should have checked how qualified he was.[/quote]
now PM has not posted since, and here you are now justifying the wagon on him, even if he is town...

Post 215

[quote=""Sean""]
now the scum wants to know all the characters so he can help his team figure out who to kill before he dies....[/quote]
And then after a single post from PM, he is suddenly back to being scum.


And now you are back to believing him?[/quote][/quote]

Don't forget, Seanald also tried to get me to quickhammer iDanny before letting Danny give his reads, when there was plenty of time left in the day…a wagon which he pushed hard for

go for it sword, no one has talked all day, and Idanyboy will just come in claim a PR and you all will shit bricks and unvote or something stupid like that.

Regardless, there is no excuse for Idany's shitty play, maybe hell learn to play better, therein helping Site meta be more competitive instead of distracting.

go for it now sword, this day has gone on long enough with way to many distractions. Scum have this game by the balls right now its gotta turn around tomorrow.

he also dismantled the wagons from the previous day and pushed hard to get GNR lynched.
could be for a number of reasons….
look at the vote count :
[quote=""In post 1289, PinkyandtheBrain""]Oversoul (9) - MichelSableheart, VisceraEyes, Nero Cain, Amrun, Guy_Named_Riggs, Luckyjt, PMysterious, LowMan, Porochaz,
Nero Cain (3) - Oversoul, kmd4390, Arugula
Guy_Named_Riggs (4) - PeregrineV, Riceballtail, Seanald, Lastsurvivor,
[/quote]
Looks to me like he wants to keep OS and Nero around to keep the town distracted:
he specifically calls out for Kmd and Oversoul from the Nero wagon to hop onto the GNR wagon…He did leave out Arugula (which I'll get into in a moment) but Arugula quickly followed Seanald over to GNR…
Also, Seanald jumped over and helped push the iDanny wagon that Arugula headed ... if you ISO Seanald you can see that he calls out Arugula as scum more than once, but never once places a vote on him or even tries to pressure him…i wouldn't be surprised if they were scumbuddies...

He states that Oversoul (who he thinks is town) can always be lynched easily later if necessary..

just go with GNR. Oversoul has a huge target on his back now and it wont go away so what ever happens with Oversoul will be ironed out and he can be lynched again very easily

bottom line, is that Seanald is pure scum

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also...

@Mod : i will be V/LA for the weekend as per my usual please

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@SOO-Are you totally against an OS lynch?

Honestly, i'd prefer your lynch over OS's...The OS i've played with doesn't get this worked up as scum...

My vote is staying on Seanald for now, because he is scum...

not sure why everyone is not agreeing with me on this....

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@Lucky....
from 2 pages ago....

Now Seanald is more cut and dry:
He was rolefishing early on, and deliberately (and successfully) tried to out a PR, not to mention his flopping…

role fishing and trying (and succeeding) to out a PR:

[quote=""sword_of_omens""]Seanald: Is fishing with his post 150 question to PM about a PR claim and saying he expects it to be answered…PM then horribly soft claim's , and then Sean's 182 asks for him to clarify and in the same post uses the fact that Pokemon came out in (very) late 90's to discredit the claim. Post 202 he goes so far as to say that anyone who says PM's wagon is dumb is scum

Tell me, when is it good to out a PR? Its not...
PM's play is newb/VI and he obviously doesn't know how to handle his role.
he probably got a little over excited about what he is and hinted at PR...

it had nothing to do with the argument on him at the time...

and rather than just letting it go, you actively call him out on it...
and him not knowing any better, claims...

Flopping:

[quote=""In post 525, sword_of_omens""]
Yes, i believe PM's claim and that i think he is town. The bolded above suggests that you do to...or do you? Hard to understand really as you flopped a few times in between.
hmm..just coming off of your post 182 where you pressure him to clarify his Vig claim, and state that Pokemon is probably a fake claim. PM replies that his claim is real:

Post185

Your playing so bad Its almost like I have to believe you....
Also, going off of the reasoning of believing PM. It turns to trying to find the scum that hopped on his wagon throughout the day.

Here you are saying that you believe him, and intend to scum hunt based on opportunistic wagon voters, and you even give a little bit of input based on that (Jal for example). Fair enough.

Post 202

[quote=""Sean""]
The PM lynch is in no way a bad choice. He has played Anti-town this entire time, If he is town then we are just getting someone who will just be a distraction out of the way. He should be ashamed of himself for signing up on this game or the mod should have checked how qualified he was.

now PM has not posted since, and here you are now justifying the wagon on him, even if he is town...

Post 215

[quote=""Sean""]
now the scum wants to know all the characters so he can help his team figure out who to kill before he dies....[/quote]
And then after a single post from PM, he is suddenly back to being scum.


And now you are back to believing him?[/quote][/quote]

Don't forget, Seanald also tried to get me to quickhammer iDanny before letting Danny give his reads, when there was plenty of time left in the day…a wagon which he pushed hard for

go for it sword, no one has talked all day, and Idanyboy will just come in claim a PR and you all will shit bricks and unvote or something stupid like that.

Regardless, there is no excuse for Idany's shitty play, maybe hell learn to play better, therein helping Site meta be more competitive instead of distracting.

go for it now sword, this day has gone on long enough with way to many distractions. Scum have this game by the balls right now its gotta turn around tomorrow.

he also dismantled the wagons from the previous day and pushed hard to get GNR lynched.
could be for a number of reasons….
look at the vote count :
[quote=""In post 1289, PinkyandtheBrain""]Oversoul (9) - MichelSableheart, VisceraEyes, Nero Cain, Amrun, Guy_Named_Riggs, Luckyjt, PMysterious, LowMan, Porochaz,
Nero Cain (3) - Oversoul, kmd4390, Arugula
Guy_Named_Riggs (4) - PeregrineV, Riceballtail, Seanald, Lastsurvivor,
[/quote]
Looks to me like he wants to keep OS and Nero around to keep the town distracted:
he specifically calls out for Kmd and Oversoul from the Nero wagon to hop onto the GNR wagon…He did leave out Arugula (which I'll get into in a moment) but Arugula quickly followed Seanald over to GNR…
Also, Seanald jumped over and helped push the iDanny wagon that Arugula headed ... if you ISO Seanald you can see that he calls out Arugula as scum more than once, but never once places a vote on him or even tries to pressure him…i wouldn't be surprised if they were scumbuddies...

He states that Oversoul (who he thinks is town) can always be lynched easily later if necessary..

just go with GNR. Oversoul has a huge target on his back now and it wont go away so what ever happens with Oversoul will be ironed out and he can be lynched again very easily

bottom line, is that Seanald is pure scum[/quote]

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does anyone know the code to make the page show more than just the standard 20 posts or whatever it is?

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Doing this will display the thread with a higher number of posts per page. There is an upper limit of 200 and a lower limit of 5.

Thank you!!




i wish you would have waited on the hammer, Poro...

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guys...seriously....read the flavor...

RBT was fried by lightning...it was PM's Kill..
also notice how Brain was nowhere to be found? Scum didn't kill last night...probably jailkept or r/b'd:

The new day arrives. All is quiet on the Warner Lot. People start to come out of their make shift homes.

The sun is shinning but Brain is not on TV.

You look around to see if anyone is missing and you find RBT missing.

You search around the lot of Warners and find Scooby Doo.

What are you doing here?

Scooby: There always making a new series with me on this lot.

Have you seen RBT?

Scooby: Who

We are missing someone in the group

Scooby:

There is a burnt body back there

, we were going to investigate.

You go to the burnt body and find the smoldering remains of RBT

.

Vote:Seanald

Because he is seriously scum...for the 100th time...

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sorry guys..work had to fly me out of town for an emergency..
i fly back in tomorrow morning...
i'll be postin' then...

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@Oversoul ,
for the most part , i agree with your list of reads, although i don't think i'm liking Michel as much as i did in the beginning of the game...

Seanald admits his play the WHOLE game has been "blatant anti-town"

only reasoning anyone has is questionable anti-town play, which I ain't goin to argue on because it is pretty freakin blatant

He is scum…

As far as Poro is concerned..yeh, i could see him killing PM because of what PM said...PM was a loaded gun who went after his own strange scum reads...if he let on at the end that he thought Poro was very scummy, hell, i'd be worried if i was Poro too....so yeh..it's mostly WIFOM....

You actually brought up some good points about Amrun's play…I relooked at Paranoia Maf, and she was much more aggressively scumhunting and creating decent discussion as town…

I don’t mind applying pressure on Amrun

Vote: Amrun

Hey Amrun, can you give me your top 2 scumspects and why?
What do you think of Michel?

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Also @ sword, don't think your used to people just simply telling the truth, not going to defend my self when I look back in hind sight and go, fuck that does look scummy and I didn't articulate my point well enough I just try better next time. Again sword it'd help if you worked with me to help you see Im just a shit town player right now, rather than continuing to Harp on an easy Myslynch which makes me think your more scum than not, and you've been tunneling on me the whole game now but are still sheeping other wagons?

STILL sheeping other people?
i have been voting you pretty much every single day to no avail...and FOR reason as i've stated a hundred times over...
i've decided to pressure Amrun because OS brought up some valid points...
i will give you the benefit of the doubt though..do you have a town and a scum game you can link me too?


PEDIT: OS ninja

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@CKD
let me re-read Michel proper...he has been creeping up on my radar lately and i haven't really had a chance to go back and find out why exactly...
Also...you probably shouldn't have claimed...

@seanald, i'll read through your 2 games, but this right here:

and I Iso'd my self and realized all the untrust of Nero was only happening in my head and I never wrote it down lol, Guess I never voiced pushing his lynch and worse I acually helped him out day 3, fuck me this game I only turned out to be a distraction.

yeh..not helping your case...i'm not one for pity parties.

@Peregine....that was a waste of a post....

@MOD: i will be V/LA for the Holiday weekend starting later this afternoon and running through until Tues 09/04

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Sword, are you town? Seriously.

where does that even come from?

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Sword, OS is asking you a pretty good question

whether or not i am town? how is that a pretty good question? please enlighten me...


and YES i am town.

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Well, you didn't answer the first time he asked. You know when you were younger and someone would ask you something embarrassing and you didn't feel comfortable answering so you'd be like "What are you even talking about HAHAHAHAHAAHHA?"

That was your response to OS.

lol...seriously?
His question out of nowhere was dumb...and i was stating that...

Hey why did you say that Seanald is scum and then vote Amrun in the same post?

Seanald already had votes on him, and Oversoul asked us not to quicklynch...he made some pretty decent points about Amrun who seems to have disappeared now...i helped him by applying some added pressure to Amrun…who has still not popped in to answer my question to her.

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initials: TJD
i'll be doing some re-reading today...

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PM did take credit for the kill:

Sorry guys. I killed RBT.

Guess I am useless.

The reason why I killed RBT is because I feared Nero was Town. Plus, RBT was one of my Scum reads. Boy, am I stupid.

Mafia did not kill…NOTICE how there IS NO BRAIN ON TV:

The new day arrives. All is quiet on the Warner Lot. People start to come out of their make shift homes.
The sun is shinning but Brain is not on TV.
You look around to see if anyone is missing and you find RBT missing.

You search around the lot of Warners and find Scooby Doo.

What are you doing here?

Scooby: There always making a new series with me on this lot.

Have you seen RBT?

Scooby: Who

We are missing someone in the group

Scooby: There is a burnt body back there, we were going to investigate.

You go to the burnt body and find the smoldering remains of RBT.

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i have read Sean's game links and quite honestly i don't see a discernable difference between his scum play and town play...
based on MS's claim of name cop and with OS's verification, Seanald (as much as i hate to admit it) is probably town... even on the off chance that MS and OS happen to be scum together...
i could maybe see OS as MS's scum partner fake verifying, but i don't see how all 3 of them would be scum..that would be putting a lot of eggs in one basket...

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@OS...
if someone was lightning'd they would have looked burnt to a crisp..that would be PM's flavor kill...

There was no Brain saying here's a stick of dynamite or here's a match to light a fart like there normally is in the write-ups..
i would guess that maf was RB'd or they failed a kill on CKD

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look at the flavor for each night:
Night 1

Brain: Yes my follow evil doers. Go make your kill. Who are you going to target this night?
mafia member: We don't like Angelica Pickles, she like to tattle to her parents.
Brain: Use this.
mafia member: Oooooooo shiny!

Night 2

Brain wakes up and smiles. Another day to watch the fool toons self destruct. Lets see what the minions wanted this time.
Mafia member: I took out the toon my way Mr. Brain.
Brain: your way?
Mafia member: Laser beam.
Brain: Where?
Mafia member: I had it lying around.

Night 3

NO BRAIN

Night 4

Morning arrives and The Brain comes onto the TV.

I see you think you are smart and got rid of one of my people. No matter there are still more to help do my bidding.

The Brain smiles.

They have picked the next victim, don't cry too much you pokemon fans. Pikachu was annoying pest that needed to die.
The best way to kill a bolt of lighting is with some water to short him out and a bullet to the head.

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@Seanald:

Pere

- well as far as Peregrine goes...his play has been mostly "need to catchup" , "will catch up", "ok caught up", and a bunch of "what are your reads?" all without a whole lot of input...not really a whole lot to go on...he's not putting in any effort...could go either way for me...at some point he's going to need to prove his worth..
would i vote him today? Possibly.

Poro

- Pretty sure Poro's town...i had pretty decent town reads from him early on...his hammer on OS was pretty blatant and i don't think he'd do that as scum...he did look to be worried about a vig from PM, but seeing as how unstable PM was, i would have been too...again, Poro called him out in thread...that read to me as town being scared of a vig kill...i think scum would have just killed him quietly, rather than draw attention..
Would I vote him today? Not likely.

Amrun

– OS had some decent comments about her play..like I said, she was much more aggressively scum-hunting in Paranoia Mafia and was brought forward decent arguments and discussion…Sure, she voted Nero, but based on OS’s flip, Nero was to be the lynch anyway. That would be the perfect time to bus for town cred…Although based on her initials, and her post restriction, I’m pretty sure I know who she is claiming to be…so it would have to be a fakeclaim.
Would I vote her today? That’s where my vote currently resides.

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B) Although Sword is correct with flavours, it's still off that lightning itself didn't make an appearance. I personally think something went on, and that could definitely had something to do with either CKD blocking/being shot at or another PR doing their thang.

ok, i don't know how many different ways i can say this...
PM took credit for RBT's kill as soon as the day started...and he had no reason to lie as a town vig
so HE targetted RBT....
now if PM was r/b'd and maf killed RBT then you would have seen Brain doing one of his little song and dances about killing RBT.
what happens when people get struck by lightning in the cartoons?
they turn black and get BURNED to a crisp...

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ugh, ok...i see what you are saying...
but then why didn't Brain make his appearance?

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also, still not 100% sold on the MS claim though....
as i've been burned on fake name cops before...
MS could easily be a maf role-cop (as Nero did hint more than a few times that their was a rolecop)
and, if that is the case then OS would have to be scum with him...

Remember Nero's slip:

When it comes to Nero, he's mentioned rolecop more than a few times insinuating that he knows that there is one…

ummm...wow. Way to not read. Kdowns being killed by lightning confirms that PM has a killing role. It doesn't confirm him as vig though. Hello rolecop.

So who did you waste your rolecop on then?

I'm just sayin' that if KMD were rolecopped or tracked then scum would know he has a power.

that coupled with this:

opps, posted submit instead of preview. I can't control who gets killed at night.

KMD was a power so perhaps his power outweighed the risk of OS getting lynched.

makes it seem more of a slip to me….

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@Sword: as mentioned before, I can claim the full names of my investigations after the initial massclaim is over if you still don't believe I'm an actual namecop. Since we're only waiting on the inactives to claim, I can also do this when it looks like they'll be modkilled.

if they don't come back, and it looks like they might get mod-killed...then i would suggest that you state their names before they are MK'd (if you have them). And if the match comes up a town-flip, then i'll believe your claim..

@MOD: i will be V/LA for the weekend as per my norm please

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most likely a blackout ability...

@MOD i'll be VLA for the weekend as per my usual...

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ok, got time to read again today guys...
i'll post up in just a bit...

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ok re-reading MS...
At first i was skeptical of him as a rolecop could be easily faked as a namecop.
However, looking at the way he presented it, and unless Oversoul AND Rach both are scum with him, then i'm going to say he's town.
I really don't see scum putting all their eggs in one basket like this at all...it makes no sense to do so...

i would think that this solidifies that Scum are given fakeclaims..otherwise, what's the point?
Amrun probably gave her real name (worried about MS's cop) as she could spin that Bender wasn't actually a BAD guy in his show, although he is pretty vulgar...so possibly, not all would need a fakeclaim?

Also sword you are really under my radar. Why is that do u think?

Not really sure what you mean by this? are you saying you think i might be scum, or i'm actively lurking, or what?

Going to go back and ISO
Mainly: Poro , Paid Pyro, the Masons, and a few others....

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ok, i'm tired as hell...put in a 16hr work day...
tomorrow(today?) i'm off to Disneyland so i'll be V/LA for the weekend...

I honestly do not see Paid Pyro scum like everyone else...
If you need me to go into detail I can,
(highlights include defending GNR and also checking OS when OS voted for himself)
And I really don’t think his “killed” comment is a slip, either…


Like I said, with a name-cop in the game, there HAS to be fakeclaims..otherwise there would be no point in having a name-cop.
I would like to look into our Mason Group though…they have been pretty much non-existent
Ever since the beginning of the game when they claimed…I guess they figured they are obv-town and don’t need to participate?
For Masons they sure don’t seem to communicate or agree with each other much, and I’ve seen scum fake Mason claims before. I’d suggest MS looking into one of them at night. Hell at this point, I’d probably vote for one of them seeing as they’ve pretty much disappeared.


I could also see a Pere vote from me today…

Still pretty syre Poro is town, although I don’t really care too much for his last posts…

Also @CKD unless I missed you answering this:

Also sword you are really under my radar. Why is that do u think?

Not really sure what you mean by this? are you saying you think i might be scum, or i'm actively lurking, or what?

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i have seen scum claim as Masons...
in Chrono Trigger.
Nuwen and Kanye claimed as Masons and were scum.

that being said, i think it would be worth our time to have MS look into one of them at night, based on their collective (non)play and seeing as i'm pretty sure they name-claimed before MS claimed cop.

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lol...i didn't say we should lynch them...what i'm saying is that they will have to be looked at eventually...(prefereably by MS)
if we keep putting it off til lylo, we could get screwed.

I said my piece, it's NOT a distraction because we aren't even voting for them today..so chill the fuck out...

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sorry then...your post came after my post about the Mason's...so i figured you were talking to me...

and no, i'm not voting PP right now...

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i have seen scum claim as Masons...
in Chrono Trigger.
Nuwen and Kanye claimed as Masons and were scum.

that being said, i think it would be worth our time to have MS look into one of them at night, based on their collective (non)play and seeing as i'm pretty sure they name-claimed before MS claimed cop.

Yet Kayne was lynched.

I'll want to look over their (KKB/Nuwen) play and see how it compares to Lowman/lucky. You played that game, why was KKB lynched despite his claim?

Oversoul played that game too...
there was a lot of heat on Nuwen who was set to be the lynch...she claimed Mason with Kanye and everyone backed down. What screwed it up for them is that later on, another player set to be lynched claimed Mason. Also, in that game there was reference to Fate and RBT claiming Mason in Fire Emblem Mafia and winning as scum.

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guys...

Pinky posts the role PM's at the time of death, Oversoul did nothing wrong..
Also, if you didn't know this, Fujiko ...
shouldn't you have questioned why OS had it in the first place?

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@MS ,
do you ONLY receive your target's name...or do you get any other side info with it?

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Given that I'm a namecop, it's safe to assume that scum won't have obvtown names (though Amrun's flip shows their names can be dubious), which shrinks the pool significantly. In fact, combining me results with my townreads leaves me with only one name.

Vote: sword of omens

I'll also have to rethink my town reads, though.

Yep, MS...you are using the same argument that i have been using...A name cop would mean that there would definitely be fake-claims, and that the real names should be pretty discernible...
However, based on what we’ve seen, the only one that really stands out was Mr Freeze.
Bender is questionable.
Taz would be questionable.
Ren (from Ren and Stimpy) would be questionable (Although Ren from Blackwater, not)
Everyone else so far is pretty clear cut..
So then what is the purpose of a town name-cop that would seem to work on only 1 (maybe 2) scum?

What bothers me is the fact that Nero DIDN’T fakeclaim...Especially while there was no knowledge of a name-cop out there at the time.
So IF scum were given fake-claims (town name-cop would dictate that there are), why wouldn’t he say he’s Batman the role-blocker or something? Instead he says “Town” role-blocker.
This heavily implies that scum don’t have fake claims.

Scum name-cop doesn’t make sense either (As I do not doubt your ability to get the name of your target otherwise you have outted your whole scum team for us) unless it was specifically to find Superman as CKD said (which admittedly seems a little extreme)

My dilemma,

I would think that scum has to have some pretty decent powers to deal with such a powerful Town.
Nero let it slip that scum knew that KMD was a Power Role. So scum must have a role-cop. Or could it be possible that scum has a cop ability that nets them names AND abilities in one?
Possible...
What also worries me is that you are still alive. Why haven’t you been targeted for a kill yet? Name-cop would not be good for scum to keep around. Especially a name-cop that
hasn’t even been considered as a lynch candidate. Unless, of course, scum don’t have fake-claims. Like i said, Nero’s play seems to suggest that they don’t. So then again, what would be the point of a town name-cop?

Role-wise, name-cop by itself makes no sense in this game...

I also don’t like how you totally gave Peregrine an out,
Stating that he could either be Ren from “Ren and Stimpy” (questionable alignment) or Ren from “Pirates of Blackwater” (definite town oriented alignment) before he claimed...
Given a free pass like that, which do you think he’d pick?


Based your play alone, you seem pretty solid.. Your reads are pretty uniform.... if you say you are going to look into someone..you do... Which makes it pretty damn hard to figure you out..

So far, your ability really hasn’t noticeably helped town out ...we don’t show evidence of fake claims, and there are questionably aligned mafia members...again, what is the purpose of a town name cop in this scenario? i don’t mind giving you the benefit of the doubt, but how long is too long?

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Also, I keep seeing the idea that characters who are toons of good alignment have to be town-aligned.
This bothers me, because it seems too straightforward. Especially with role cops running around.

That plays directly into MS's namecop ability. If he is a town name cop, then his ablility would be able to see through fake claims and get him the correct name. For that to be useful, it would mean that scum would have to have discernible "evil" names. Scum would have no reason to fake claim if they were made up of "garfield" and "Odie" and MS's namecop would be useless in that scenario.

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Something in this game isn't adding up. PereV is Ren...I dunno the show, but it seems like a protagonist. I'm going to guess there's a name Godfather of sorts...a protagonist who's scum. I'm not going to vote PereV based on that speculation though.

So hum. I guess I'll vote Sword.

VOTE: Sword of Omens

The last post from him is pretty wishy washy, going back and forth on MSH.

lol...
that whole post is just bad...
this is the second time you voted on me for pretty bad reasoning...

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if i didn't know any better, i'd say LS just claimed scum buddies with Peregrine...

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What was bad exactly, Poro?

read LS's post....it looks way out place and awkward...

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@LS ,

1.Your post reads forced to me...you used a half assed excuse to not vote Pere based on a claim that MS GAVE to him...Pere could be Ren from Ren and Stimpy as well which would be a more questionable alignment. You had gone after Pere pretty strongly during Amrun's wagon, and then seemed to have just dropped him from your list, stating that Amrun went after him pretty strongly so he must be town. Then you say he's scummy for voting Lowman..then you say he's not for pushing it...you keep flip-flopping...

then you say umm....Pere char seems like a protagonist, although there could be a godfather, so yeh..umm vote SoO...
to me that looks like you are trying to give yourself an out if Pere flips scum...

also remember this?
[quote=”LastSurvivor in 2199”]
I've explained this twice. JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY YOU'RE A GOOD GUY DOES NOT MEAN I'M GOING TO AUTO CLEAR YOU. YOU COULD EASILY BE FAKE CLAIMING.
I cleared Seanald because MSH IS A NAME COP AND HE CONFIRMED SEANALD'S CLAIM.[/quote]
MS said Peregrine was Ren. If Peregrine is Ren from Ren and Stimpy, then he shouldn’t be auto-cleared...yet you didn’t even question this? He could be fake claiming since MS pretty much gave him the option of Ren’s to choose from.

2. double-checked.... your right on your #2 ...i swear i thought you had voted for me back when you came after me for "Avoiding" OS's scum question to me, so I was wrong on that point.

3. see #1

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tag fail...

I've explained this twice. JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY YOU'RE A GOOD GUY DOES NOT MEAN I'M GOING TO AUTO CLEAR YOU. YOU COULD EASILY BE FAKE CLAIMING.
I cleared Seanald because MSH IS A NAME COP AND HE CONFIRMED SEANALD'S CLAIM.

MS said Peregrine was Ren. If Peregrine is Ren from Ren and Stimpy, then he shouldn’t be auto-cleared...yet you didn’t even question this? He could be fake claiming since MS pretty much gave him the option of Ren’s to choose from.

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Sword, you are kinda doing the opposite of Pyro. This is the first day I've seen you ever come under pressure and suddenly you're very active. What gives?

naw, it's normal for me...i post more when under pressure...
although i wouldn't say 2 votes is really any pressure..i've had a little more time today....

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might as well since all the cool kids did it:

i'm Theodore Jasper Detweiller
aka TJ from Recess
im a Townie

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no...
pretty sure that Peter Griffin poisoned was flavor lynch...
he was hammered that day...

with 21 alive it will take 11 to lynch


GNR has been lynched.

Please stand by for these messages.

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Seanald, yoi really are not helping things by being a deliberate ass....

Pretty cerain Poro is town....

On my phone so i'll add more a bit later...

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@Jal : that's the problem...i don't have a definitie answer on MS....
role-wise it doesn't make sense seeing as how there SHOULD be fake-claims, but NC didn't seem to use one, and Bender was not a fakeclaim and pretty questionable, so it's likely that there aren't any....so does that mean we go after all of the questionable alignments like Taz (he was mostly an antagonist) and Ren (and no Ren and Stimpy never used last names)?
MS's actions, however do seem pretty solid and towny, although he did make a few bad decisions here and there..I want to believe he is town, but unless we can get some solid proof from him and soon, then where will that leave us? If we go with MS's plan and lynch from his group, i'd say Cheery Dog (as Taz would be more questionable than anyone else) let him throw a vesty on someone else in that group, and then see what happens tomorrow...


i'll do some more in depth reading when i get back from my V/LA

@Mod:

i'll be V/LA for the weekend starting about now...

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Alright…pretty pissed off as I had a nice long drawn out post,
And when I went to submit, I was timed-out and I lost it…grrrr!!!

Anyway a shorter version of what I had:

We, as town, need to come to a definite conclusion in regards to MS. Either we believe him, or we don’t. His role does make a huge difference in this game, and it is causing a major distraction to town. If we don’t take care of this now, we will keep coming back to it over and over again.

IF:
MS = Town
THEN
Scum have definite fake-claims. Otherwise there is no point to MS’s role AT ALL, PERIOD. We lynch from inherent evil characters and questionable alignments as well. And we focus on MS’s uncleared suspects.


IF:
MS = Scum
THEN
Scum most likely do not have fake-claims (as shown by NC and also by Amrun’s claim)
We then go back to tried and true scum hunting and all characters are suspect no matter how good they seem to be.


Options:

1. We lynch MS today.
Positive side: Either way MS flips, town has definitive attack plan to go on. No more questioning whether or not there are fake claims.
Negative Side: If MS flips town, we lose a pretty decent player and role. Although the suspect pool would be smaller thanks to him.

2. We trust in TownMS and lynch from his suspect list today, and he targets another one tonight.
Positive side: If MS is town, then tomorrow we either clear another townie or find another scum. If he gets NK’d, then we will continue on his suspect pool.
Negative Side: If Ms is scum, he either could clear a townie, fake-clear scum, falsify a guilty on a town, or he could bus a scum buddy tomorrow by “catching” him to appear town.


Either way we need to come to a decision. Otherwise we will be all be stuck going back and forth on this crap and the “what ifs” and will end up last-minute, compromise deadline lynching, which is no good. Town needs to be united if we are going to win this, and I’m tired of all the petty back and forth name-calling and whatnot…

So, today I will either be voting for MS, or I will be voting for Cheery Dog (as Taz seems to be the most questionable in MS’s suspect pool. Taz is always angry, tearing things up, and trying to eat Bugs)

So yeah…Hurrah Hurrah Speech is now concluded.

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NAMEcop not ROLEcop
well i would think it would make sense that scum would have fakeclaims to help balance it..
if scum didn't have them and picked a char already given, they could be counterclaimed, again defeating the purpose of a name-cop.

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The VC is interesting....

Hidden vote on me...Apparently i struck a nerve with someone?

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Ah...thanks for the clarification, Pinky


@Poro

Alright, i'm going to make a stance then:

Vote: MichelSableheart

logic-wise, i just don't see it...and i'm tired of the guessing games

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i stand by my statement that MS needs to be checked sooner, rather than later...

@Oversoul, i'll be here today and tomorrow up until about 5:00 ish...then i'm V/LA for the weekend as per my usual...

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So yeh, MS should be the lynch today...

scum would not keep him around even if he was set for auto-lynch today,
because as town he would still be able to clear or condemn somebody before he was lynched...

What were your "results", Michel?

Vote: Michel

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Throwing a vote on Michel asap doesn't make you look any more protown, guys

i don't think anyone said it did...
i doubt that he'll be quick-lynched as that would be a pretty stupid move, he needs to get in here and make his speech..

Regardless, MS should be the vote for today

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Anyway, I tried to investigate Lowman last night, because PoE is starting to point against the masons,

MS,
We went with your plan yesterday of lynching from your suspect pool, so
why would you not investigate from within it? (me, Jal , or LS)
Especially me, considering this:

The masons are confirming each other. Jal, Last Survivor and to a lesser extend Cheery Dog are townreads, when Sword still reads neutral. I'm almost certainly wrong about some townreads, but chances that Sword is scum are high

And this:

I highly doubt that Iknal and Lucky would have found the time to set up a mason fakeclaim of Beavis and Butthead in a mafia quicktopic before day 1 started. Their activity throughout the game simply doesn't match that. Add that they are confirming each other, and I've never felt the need to investigate them. It seemed more important to me to focus on completely unconfirmed players.

Unconfirmed players from your POE pool yesterday (me, Jal, and LS, and Cheery):
Your target last night makes no sense, and all you are doing now is creating WIFOM with the masons…

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have to admit, you're putting up a pretty good game, MS...
i'm even willing to wait on a VC and a confirmation for you, so you can tell us your "results"

however, you do realize that you are looking worse and worse,
and that you do need to be the lynch today, right?

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ok, MS
there's the VC...
come on back...

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@MOD: i will be V/LA for the weekend as per my usual starting in about 2 hours....

(Really hoping MS pops in to do his song and dance before then, though....)

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damnit! meant to bold that:

@MOD: i will be V/LA for the weekend as per my usual starting in about 2 hours....

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well i thought for sure i would be the one not waking up this morning...
not sure why they killed Fujiko as Michel's fake guilty on the Mason's did not auto-clear them.

Curious as to why Jal thought (or knew) it did though?

We've got two mafia or two clears and a lynched scum, meaning we don't go into tomorrow with a possible MYLO situation. Win/win. Time to AFK for another three days, gentlemen

gonna go back and re-read Michel and Jal...
also think LS might need a good re-read as well

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Sword, why the hell would you think *you* would die? Of all people still alive?

I figured they’d target me for pushing the Michel case so hard…



i want to say that this almost looks like rolefishing:

Yeah, I retract my mason stuff.
But still, c'mon Lowman. Play or replace out please, out of fairness to the rest of us.
If Michel is scum, then we should have a real cop who can clear everybody alive, or at least some of us.

However, scum doesn’t seem to be searching for any other PR’s… look at the kill list. They went after Rach who claimed a 1 shot, and now Fujiko who could’ve been a mislynch. Michel could’ve tried bussing the Mason’s for all we know. His fake-guilty wouldn’t have auto-cleared them at all. That’s why I was very curious about Jal’s statement.

Admittedly, I still haven’t had a chance to do a full re-read yet, so I’m hoping to do it either today, or Monday when I get back from my weekend V/LA.

So yeh

@MOD: V/la for the weekend starting later today please

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Had to break this up into 2 posts..as this was a long wot..sorry

Ugh..ok..i am guessing that one or more scum lie in the following: Seanald, Jal, LS...

Ok reviewing MS…

Here’s Michel’s original list of suspects:

So it's mainly process of elimination that makes me look at scum in the group of Amrun, Arugula, PeregrineV, Porochaz, Sword

At least one scum in this group (Amrun) but would he risk naming two?

With Porochaz' and RachMarie's names unlikely scum, that leaves Amrun, Peregrine and Sword as scumcandidates. Willing to join an Amrun wagon

He NEVER votes for Amrun. Again, he clears Arug/Rach and Poro, so with only 3 names in his list left and 1 of them certain scum (Amrun), I doubt he would have another scum listed in this batch.

Sword attacked Seanald stromg and well during day 1, then was the first to unvote Seanald based on claiming a full name, then goes back to him day 2. That play feels very genuine to me. If Sword was scum, he could easily have went "it's only a vanilla claim" to try to push through a lynch.
He missed most of day 2 due to inactivity, continually promissing to try to catch up. But unlike Peregrine, he never stated he was caught up without actually contributing, and even his catch up posts are sometimes contentfull. Looks like genuine inactivity.

Here he semi-clears me..but leaves me open for later…

Vote: PeregrineV
Amrun distancing a scummy partner is quite possible, whereas I have mild to strong townreads on virtually every other players in the game.

Now that Amrun is gone he pounces on Pere…I really don’t think he would bus here…

In fact, combining me results with my townreads leaves me with only one name.
Vote: sword of omens
I'll also have to rethink my townreads, though.

And we are back to me.

Jal, Last Survivor and to a lesser extend Cheery Dog are townreads, when Sword still reads neutral. I'm almost certainly wrong about some townreads, but chances that Sword is scum are high.

Above is MS’s new list.,..now that Amrun is gone he would most likely put in 1 scum in this new group. Jal, LS, Cheery.

As mentioned before, I'm not going to vote one of my investigations. It's just a bad idea to lynch a near confirmed when there are unconfirmed players around. Since it seems I'll have to compromise, I'll
Vote: Cheerydog

When he can’t get my lynch, he switches to Cheery…


Michel:
Day 1: Voted on :

Idanny - (Idanny lynched)

Day 2: Voted on:

OversoulV1.0

-

(Guy named Riggs lynched)

Day 3: Voted on

OversoulV1.0 - (OversoulV1.0 lynched)

Day 4: Voted on

Nero - (Nero lynched)

Day 5: No Vote

(Amrun lynched)

Day 6 : Voted on Peregrine

- (Paid Pyro lynched)

Day 7: Voted on

Cheerydog - (Cheery Lynched)

Day 8: Voted on

Lowman

–

(Michel lynched)

Michel’s voting history shows consistent voting for Town (except for Nero) but that was a last minute hop on a dead horse. He also voted town when not on GNR’s lynch wagon. Given his mannerisms, I doubt he would vote for his scumbuddy (Pere) on the PaidPyro lynch. He’s also pushed Pere more than once as well. MS seems to play more calm and collected and I don’t see him as the bussing type.

[sword_of_omens]

Reviewing Jal:
For the most part Jal reads town to me, however
I’ve noted some of Jal’s stranger posts…

Michel was more or less inconsistent with his sign on times, and
this looks like it could be a heads up to MS warning/reminding him not to fake a “results” finding for the night of the black-out.

The whole commuter thing probably means Michel doesn't have any results for today Bleh.

What I also didn’t like about Jal was her “if MS is scum then auto-clear the masons”. Scum certainly made it look that way by taking out one of them that same night. As if they were under the assumption that MS’s scum-flip would guarantee the Mason’s free and clear as town, which it didn’t.

Jal Votes:
Day 1: Voted on : Seanald -

(Idanny lynched)

Day 2: Voted on:

GNR

-

(Guy named Riggs lynched)

Day 3: Voted on

Nero

–

(Oversoul lynched)

Day 4: Voted on

Nero - (Nero lynched)

Day 5: Voted on

Amrun - (Amrun lynched)

Day 6 : Voted on

PaidPyro - (Paid Pyro lynched)

Day 7: Voted on

Cheerydog - (Cheery Lynched)

Day 8: No Vote –

(Michel lynched)

Vote-wise, though, Jal looks pretty decent…
Jal did vote Nero on OS’s lynch day, Nero again on his lynch day, and for Amrun.
Although she didn’t vote on MS. Meh..could be she bussed her 2 buddies then held off when MS was going down, but I have a hard time believing that..if she were scum with MS then I have a feeling she wouldn’t have had a problem voting him, rather than keeping him as town til the end.


At this point in time, I’d put her at the least of the three suspects…




I’ll go over LS and Seanald tomorrow…

[sword_of_omens]

Back to work…
Up for bid today is one review of Last Survivor, with a side of Seanald.

Let’s start with LS:

His start-off looks good.. his posts are pretty solid as well..
He defended PMyst… brought up some decent arguments…


And Holy Shit, I also ran across this gem:

For simplicity's sake, let's look at the OS wagon.

Oversoul (5)

Nero Cain

, Porchaz,

MichalSableheart

, VisceraEyes,

Amrun

Porochaz hasn't really mentioned Nero at all, but hasn't justified his OS vote well (yesterday he had an excuse I guess).
MSH is being genuine I think.
VE...ah...nothing really from him. Nothing about Nero, nothing justifying his vote.
Amrun's been pushing OS hard and defending Nero. See this post.

So, in order of most likely to be Nero's partner to least: [Amrun/VE/Poro/MSH

I have a hard time believing that scumLS would hi-lite that many of his buddies like that...
It’d be some seriously funny shit if that list contained the whole scum team…
It definitely makes me want to go back and re-do the wagon analysis that day…


Something that stands out now that I read the ISO:

At this point, I pretty much think everyone's town except for Cheery and sword, and I don't think either are particularly scummy

Something in this game isn't adding up. PereV is Ren...I dunno the show, but it seems like a protagonist. I'm going to guess there's a name Godfather of sorts...a protagonist who's scum. I'm not going to vote PereV based on that speculation though.
So hum. I guess I'll vote Sword.
VOTE: Sword of Omens
The last post from him is pretty wishy washy, going back and forth on MSH.

ohey Cheery I forgot you existed.
Now, can you prop up a real reason for me being scum that's not associative?
----
I skimmed Sword's ISO yday. Didn't see anything damning.
Cheery's ISO is next. I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that this game is not how it seems.

Originally I jumped on LS for his post about Pere and his vote on me…
I didn’t even realize that he already had me as one of his likelies for scum, and he also came back and explained his reasoning on why he thought Pere was cleared..so it makes a bit more sense…He did say he forgot about Cheery though (after stating that he was also a likely scumdidate) so that’s a small point against him..looking at the rest of his ISO is pretty solid..i guess I put him in my group of possible scum because I didn’t really remember much about him during the game up until the last couple of days where he voted me..so that was probably me jumping the gun…

LS is looking pretty solid ISO-wise..so now i’m thinking he might not be the lynch for the day…
Moving on:


Voting history:

Day 1: Voted on

iDanny – (iDanny is lynched)

Day 2: Voted on

OversoulV1.0 - (Guy Named Riggs is lynched)

Day 3: NO VOTE –

(OversoulV1.0 is lynched)

Day 4: Voted on

Nero – (Nero is lynched)

Day 5: Voted on Pere –

(Amrun is lynched)

Day 6: Voted on

Paid Pyro - (Paid Pyro is lynched)

Day 7: Voted on

CheeryDog - (CheeryDog is lynched)

Well shit…based on his revelation (from above) , now I’m curious why he didn’t Vote for Amrun on her lynch day right after the Nero flip?Going back and reading the days events…
He started out with:

Note to self that I need to look at Amrun later.

And even this:

Amrun defends NC hard. Posts like this are pretty scummy as well (AMG OS V1 ADMITTED IT WAS OMGUS HE'S SCUM GETTIM GUYS).

And instead throws a vote down on Arugula (not even in the list)
Then because of Arugula flaking changes to Pere:

Pere's scum.
Amrun is pretty likely scum, but I like her recent posts because she was pushing Perescum. I might read her ISO, like I said I was going to but never did. :/

Also tots agree with Seanald re PP. I'll vote Amrun once Rach gets her question answered or whatever

A bunch of back and forth with Amrun and LS with a final intent to hammer.
In the next post, Rach hammers….

Well..that was kind of anti-climactic..
I really was hoping for something more out of that…
Alright, still think he should’ve started out chasing Amrun, but I still have to say that LS is most likely town..i really did like his post hi-lighting the 3 (known) scum and i highly doubt that scum would do that...


Also…it’s taken me most of the stupid day to write this, seeing as how work has been having me run back in to meetings and crap all day..so my Seanald will prob have to come tomorrow…

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i swear...work is driving me insane...

not a whole lot of time today, so real quickly…

You said this before Rach said what her ability was. Why did you think someone used a blackout ability?

@Jal,
Here’s how things went that day.
1.Day started early
2.No body was dead,
3.CKD said he didn’t protect anyone
4.You made mention that Rachel may have protected everybody.
5. CKD then confirms his protection would have failed anyway.

Put them all together and it’s not hard to to see it…especially after 4 and 5.
A blackout ability would kill all other abilities, Farraday would not have to wait for everyone elses PM
to come in once she got Rach’s PM, so she could have accidentally started the day early based on that..


@Seanald:

you could just realize that your seanald case will end up being a hodge podge of scummy actions and myslynches but nothing that really leads to anything sensical.
However I like your cases. But who are you going to vote? or where are you leaning to vote right now since you havn't done the case one me yet

you like my cases, but do you agree with them?

gonna try and do Seanald today like i promised..although it is Halloween and it's pretty crazy over here...
Seanald please answer my question above and hopefully after lunch i can set aside some time..

[sword_of_omens]

*(YEH I'M AN IDIOT)EDIT: and by Farraday, i mean Farside

[sword_of_omens]

Sorry guys,
got caught up in work over here and other stuff...
Seanald will have to wait again...

wanted to state that i'm actually not liking either of the wagon choices today...

i expressed why i thought Pere was town...
Michel's play dictates otherwise...he consistently voted town even on the counterwagon to town lynch (except when Nero was obvchoice). He played conservatively as scum...not to mention scum lost Nero and Amrun back to back...Michel wouldn't have tried to bus him immediately after losing two team members...

and LS's post that i pointed out gives him huge town points....
he would have been stupid to put that many of his team members on blast.

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@Sword: Yeah, I guess that does... make sense. This is my first game that someone has had a commuter or similar ability - it just wasn't my first or second thought.

See Jal, this is the kind of thing that bothers me about you..little things like this..you even said in thread that day (before I made mention of the blackout ability) that you thought Rach had something to do with it by protecting all of us. So to say that you didn’t think of it seems off..
And then it looks like you caught yourself by following up with:

Well, maybe my second thought.

Also, why are you and Seanald even entertaining this:

Oh, I've definitely thought about it since some of the actions in this game don't make sense from a scum point of view at the very least (GNR's poisoning, killing RBT). It also would explain the roundabout town reads. I can't find a third that would match this though.

First of all, the Mod verified in thread 100% that the GNR poisoning was LYNCH flavor:

Mod, is poisoned with beer the same thing as being lynched?
Was GNR killed before he was lynched?

It's just flavor of the lynch.

Also, we’ve only seen evidence of 1 kill each night, (barring PM’s vigs). I highly doubt that scum would have alternate killing nights with a 3rd party survivor/SK.


Ok..going to read Oversouls case on LS..
And then I’ll do my dreaded (headache-filled) Seanald review…
I’ll admit , I’m a bit biased about him already (Oversoul’s auto-scum claim be damned)
And unless I don’t see anything eye-opening in OS’s case on LS, I’ll most likely be voting for Jal or Seanald today…


Also,

@MOD:

I’ll be V/LA for the weekend starting later today.

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What the hell are you even talking about? I had just said this has been my first game that someone has had a commuter or similar ability. How does that seem off? Before Rach announced her role, I believe I thought that she was some sort of mass doctor role which I had seen in some other game I think on this site. It's not like I have some stupid ass role which would make it clear what happened. Me coming back into the thread shortly afterwards and saying "maybe my second thought" was because I remembered I was in some PYP game where the role was a possibility, but no one had taken it, so I probably at least was aware of the possibility.

What i was saying is that based on your post right after the mass commuter night about Rach, it looked like you were aware of what happened. Your post today seemed to contradict that. Which you might have realized, and then ammended. Go back and read your posts..what am i supposed to think when you say it's your first game and you wouldn't know of it, and then follow up with a "maybe my second thought" post without an explanation.
like i said, you original post from the opening day made me think you were aware of it.

If you don't think there is one? Fine - say so. Why the hell do you have a problem with discussing it anyway? Shove off.

ok...

i don't think there is a 3rd party.

Happy?
the point i was making, Jal, was that you were bringing up something (Peter's poisoning) that was ALREADY CLARIFIED IN THREAD by the MOD. This just adds confusion to the day. There shows no evidence of a third party at all. So why try and start it up now?

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ugh this game...

i'm seriously not thrilled about the 2 wagons...
based on MS's play, i really don't think he would have bussed Pere when he voted him.
I really did like LS's post about the OversoulV1 wagon and although there was intent on Amrun at the end of day, there is the fact that he didn't follow through..i also see Jal is on the Pere wagon as welll...

Vote: Last Survivor

so yeh... hammer...

[sword_of_omens]

Found me a spot with service...

i am V/LA for the weekend

[sword_of_omens]

night kills make no fucking sense.

how do you figure?
scum's taking out confirmed town and leaving us to pick each other off.
Why make the choices easier for town, especially when we are all suspect?

i'm only here for a few hours today and i'm going to need some proper time to read all of this..
also, if there's a 2 man team left, then we can't be wrong about the lynch today.

[sword_of_omens]

damn, this game is killing me...
i think it might be best to go with a no lynch today..
If in fact there is a 2 man team (which i have a bad feeling it is) then i say we let scum take it to Lylo..
this way we will have better odds of hitting scum tomorrow..

Vote: No Lynch

[sword_of_omens]

actually wait...

Unvote:

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@Oversoul,
do your PR infractions reset at the beginning of each new game day?
if they do, can you do me a favor?
seeing as you most likely got your warning for the day (given that Pinky did the VC),
can you please break PR one more time and vote?

call me paranoid...

[sword_of_omens]

Today is the only day that we can verify that OS has a PR.
Based on the PR flips, they all have the same rules. And when Monday broke his twice in one day, the VC showed his lost vote. Seeing as we are going to no lynch today anyway, at least i'd like OS to prove that he has a PR. It's not a lot to ask for. He replaced into the slot, so his predecessor could have faked one to try and appear town. yeh it's small chance, but at this point in the game, i'd not like to take any chances.

[sword_of_omens]

sorry...i thought it was clear that i meant Post Restriction...
Thanks Jal...

[sword_of_omens]

On my phone..
Seanald, a no lynch givrs us better odds of hitting scum tomorrow..
Chances are very high that it is a two man team..do if we lynch wrong today we lose.
Odds to hit scum are 1 in 3...so 33%
If we no lynch, then scum takes out a variable tonight and tomorrow we have a 2 in 5 chance
or 40%

@OS ...happy face for yes, sad face for no...are you saying that you ate past the no vote part of your restriction and on the next one meand modkill?

[sword_of_omens]

On my phone..
Seanald, a no lynch givrs us better odds of hitting scum tomorrow..
Chances are very high that it is a two man team..do if we lynch wrong today we lose.
Odds to hit scum are 1 in 3...so 33%
If we no lynch, then scum takes out a variable tonight and tomorrow we have a 2 in 5 chance
or 40%

@OS ...happy face for yes, sad face for no...are you saying that you ate past the no vote part of your restriction and on the next one meand modkill?

[sword_of_omens]

Damn i hate your PR...
trying to figure your shit out is breaking my head...
Something about Kdowns giving protection to someone?
And that you think Pere is scum.

[sword_of_omens]

ok, so Kdowns gave protection to your pred?
and Pere lied about...what?
i'm still not connecting the dots here...

[sword_of_omens]

OS, now that we are back to a no lynch scenario, would you mind doing what i asked?
i'll even vote Seanald , so you don't have to do it deliberately..you can real angry and caps rage at me for voting him,
and then place a vote on me...and then we can proceed to no lynch.

Vote: Seanald

*PEDIT*
ok....actually maybe it's not necessary anymore

[/b]Unvote[/b]

[sword_of_omens]

Unvote

[sword_of_omens]

i don't suppose you could state what posts your preds and you had lie detected?

[sword_of_omens]

i asked her earlier about Post restriction violations...
you should be ok, as this should still be part of your second.

[sword_of_omens]

on my phone..
if the days not over please do not hammer...
somethings not right about this. let me get home and I'll post

[sword_of_omens]

pretty certain OS is lying... and I think I can provrt it too

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I asked for you to prove your post restriction OS, not to claim Power Role...
I need time to look at something in regards to your claim, because thete is an inconsistency in it that I am pretty sure of...

let me double check when I get home and i'll post.

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sorry guys, late night...give me a few minutes and i'll post up.

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It wasn’t an obsession, Poro…during end game I tend to overthink everything…I explained why i asked it here:

Today is the only day that we can verify that OS has a PR.
Based on the PR flips, they all have the same rules. And when Monday broke his twice in one day, the VC showed his lost vote. Seeing as we are going to no lynch today anyway, at least i'd like OS to prove that he has a PR. It's not a lot to ask for. He replaced into the slot, so his predecessor could have faked one to try and appear town. yeh it's small chance, but at this point in the game, i'd not like to take any chances

All I was looking for was to see if his PR was real or not.. I didn’t think it was an outlandish request, as we were planning to no lynch anyway…

Why OS claimed lie detector though is beyond me…
what I don’t get :

Michel Sableheart “copped” OS and gave OS’s initials BEFORE OS claimed. This directly ties MS to OS.
So either MS and OS are scum together, or MS did in fact cop town OS. Based on MS’s flip, we know that scum get character AND role info from their investigation, so they would know that OS would be a lie detector. So why let him live? Especially when it looks like they were running out of PR’s to kill (They NK’d Rachel who had claimed VT after her 1 shot).

I want to ask OS something else, but if by chance he is town, (Poro is right, a re-read OS’s ISO does read town) then it might be best to wait til tomorrow for it.

I hate this game….

[sword_of_omens]

@Jal...
you should already know the answer to why OS will be here tomorrow...

[sword_of_omens]

i'm going V/LA for the weekend starting in a few hours...
did you guys want me to no lynch before i leave?

[sword_of_omens]

ok...
i don't think we are going to get anything else out of this day...

Vote: No Lynch

[sword_of_omens]

Well that was kind of dumb of them....
OS getting NK’d pretty much cements Sean-town and Pere-scum...

Now we just have to figure out what to do with the rest of us...
No need to rush through the day yet...i want to re-read OS and see if i can find any crumbs of who else he might have cleared, if any.

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Really, so you would disregard the "Peregrine" is 100% scum?
when OS flipped as Lie detector?
He said he used claims as his posts, and his flavor says his power works on “if his targets are telling the truth about themselves…This would be the post he targeted:

I am Ren from the Pirates cartoon. Sounds cool, but I'm VT.

Pere was lying…

Poro, i have you as town, which that leaves Jal...
i can pretty much prove i am town if i have to...

[sword_of_omens]

ok, seriously... why would OS lie about something like that? Especially this late in the game? As town?
KNOWING that if we lynched town yesterday it more than likely would have been an auto-loss?

[sword_of_omens]

Seanald, i highly doubt Poro is scum..
i'm fairly certain its Jal...

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also, forgot to mention..

@MOD: i will be V/LA for the Holiday and through the weekend, starting in about 2 hours and returning on Monday.

I'll try and pop in on my phone when and if i can find a signal, but don't expect much...

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Lol..guess who's on V/LA and can only cgeck in by phone, when he's out where he can get a signal...
sw_ord/_f/_omens

Also, didn't you state that you wanted Pere to post before anyone else?

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On my phone...

@Seanald...no I stated I cam prove i'm town...Poro has nothing to do with it...

@Poro, I should probably wait til tomorrow to prove it...
If I get killed tonight over Seanald, you will know i'm town anyway..
Also, if I was partners with Jal, we would have quick lynched Pere and won already...
OS isnt lying...and you know this...

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ok,
i'm pretty certain OS was banking on Poro getting NK’d last night. Poro was probably as close to conf town as anyone could be in this game. OS's claim yesterday put a lot of WIFOM out there, especially because scum would have known what OS was and should have already killed him. Coming out this late made his claim hard to believe. Scum should have left him alone last night as his death actually helps us...Now we know that he was telling the truth.
Seanald is confirmed town.
Peregrine is confirmed scum.
Look where Pere’s vote lies…on Seanald.
If Pere was town, (and Jal and I were buddies, as Poro says) then he would have been quick-lynched already (since Seanald already put a vote on him) and scum would have won.
In fact if I were partners with Poro, or Poro were partners with Jal, then the game would also be already over...

Peregrine is scum.
Seanald is town

I’m sorry Poro, but OS worked way too damn hard to blow the whole game on a lie about Pere and Seanald

Also, look at Pere’s defense:

Oversoul needed to explain this yesterday when he was using words. If he used 2403, then the name of the cartoon is "The Pirates of Dark Water", not "Pirates". If you think that farside wouldn't be that literal or exact, then look at the ability again. If I'm supposed to be lying in some other post, bring it on

MS explained that Ren was from Pirates of Dark Water, or Ren and Stimpy. So clarification of Pere’s cartoon was already established when Pere claimed, so we all know what he was referencing here:

I am Ren from the Pirates cartoon. Sounds cool, but I'm VT.

Besides...based on OS's ability:

Ability: During odd nights chose 1 quote in thread I will tell you if the person is telling the truth about themself only

The truth about themselves… “Ren from the pirates cartoon” is generic enough that if he was Ren from ANY cartoon with pirates, he would be telling the truth. He got caught in a lie. End of story.


@Poro, If you really, really insist that I prove myself today, I will…however
I think it’s best to wait until tomorrow about coming forward..sure, I could be lying about being able to prove I’m town..or I could be telling the truth…but Pere is 100% confirmed scum, so can we please take care of him today…if the game is still going then let scum sweat it out tonight and worry about whether or not I really can prove myself tomorrow…

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I wanted to wait until tomorrow to do this, but…
Oversoul totally set me up:

My play is my crumbs. It should be evident.

Sword, are you town? Seriously.

whether or not i am town? how is that a pretty good question? please enlighten me...
and YES i am town.

If that right there isn’t a set up for a post scan for his ability, then I don’t know what is. There is no way he would pass up a freebie like that, especially one he initiated, and one that doesn't leave anymargins for error. That is why he didn’t want us asking questions until today.
He stated that he thought Jal was last of the scum team but was unsure so he might have had his small doubts about Poro as well.. More than likely scum would have killed Poro or Jal over me.
The only reason why OS admitted to Seanald’s innocence is because we still had him as a very likely scum candidate. He didn’t admit to mine yet, because it was an ace up his sleeve. I wasn’t in danger of being lynched yet, and I was an unlikely kill target…look at his interactions with me in the last day..he calls me his only townread besides his 100% on Seanald.. he was still unsure of Poro ..

^ ??? > Scum? {Jal, Porochaz}
Town Seanald
Townreads SwordofOmen

He was trying to set it up for a sure win…
As with Jal or Poro getting NK’d would have done it:

Seanald would be conftown
Peregrine would be confscum
OS would would be conf town
Sword_of_Omens would be conftown
Jal (or Poro) whichever survived the night would be confscum if game continued past Pere’s lynch.
And town wins.
The only issue that he would have had, was persuading us to believe him…that’s why I think scum actually did us a favor…they killed all that WIFOM for us.

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no, not just yet...
Seeing as how the NK will now most likely be you or me, (i'm thinking scum would prefer to have you around over me at lylo)
i need to re-read Poro and Jal today first and get all of my questions to both of them out of the way...
again...i'm almost positive Jal would be the last remaining scum, but that's mostly due to Poro being cleared based on mechanics..

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You are also saying that Oversoul confirmed Seanald, in theory making him confirmed town once Oversoul died, but scum killed Oversoul instead because.......they wanted to confirm Seanald as town?
That doesn't make sense to me.

And that Oversoul actually confirmed you also while we were all looking the other way? Wouldn't it make more sense for him to investigate Poro whom he's been chasing all game. And when he was breaking his PR, shouldn't he just have said you were town?

Oversoul asked me point blank if i was town..and i answered that i was...why would he not investigate that post. it leaves no wiggleroom whatsoever as to my alignment. I already explained why he wouldn't out me during the PR break. He was trying to ensure a town win.

I'm not seeing what you're seeing here. Also, Oversoul's ability requires him to choose a quote and see if the person were lying or not. We hadn't even started mass claiming yet. There was nothing yet from you to actually test.

My post stating that "Yes, i am town." was all he needed to investigate. Again, that would give him my alignment, 100% .

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I doubt Oversoul would have wasted an investigation on Seanald..I'm pretty certain his predecessor was the one that investigated him...OS only stated the Seanald= town because everyone was still looking at seanald as a lynch candidate...
anyways, we are getting off point...

right now, this moment,
Who do you think is scum?

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Its interesting that you are now considering Oversoul lying.

Oversoul admitted to lying here, to try to throw off scum:

Sword if I understand what you are getting at I am pretty sure I fabricated that so mafia would gtfo my ass

I didn’t say that Oversoul NEVER lied about anything..i’m saying he wouldn’t lie about his results
on Seanald or Peregrine if they weren’t true…he worked way too hard on this game to throw it all away on something like that…he’s playing to his win condition to to try and ensure a win the best way possible. He flipped fucking Lie Detector and gave his results:
Seanald is town
Pere is scum
He said claims were used to test them.
Seanald claimed :

I am Douglas Yancey Funnie I am Townie only power is my vote, I win when all evil forces are eliminated.

Name and alignment all in one post..no room for error.


Peregrine claimed:

I am Ren from the Pirates cartoon. Sounds cool, but I'm VT.
http://piratesofdarkwater.net/characters/ren.html

Peregrine even gave the link to his claimed character. He got caught lying.

Why hasn’t Peregrine been quick-lynched today?
Because he is scum.
OS’s guilty on him aside, with Seanald’s vote on him (and if Pere was town) all it would take is the two scum team members to throw a vote on him and be done. Even if by some strange reasoning there is only one scum left, Pere is our best shot.

As far as who I think is scum:

Peregrine.

PoE demands that Jal would have to be his partner if the game is not over today.
With OS getting a double-vote from you, I thought you could have been a JOAT,
I looked at all of your actions and clarified with the mod on the general rules to see if maybe you were lying somewhere (whether or not a 1-shot would be lost due to mass commute, if an inventor can try his own invention, and to clarify the redirector item) and they all seem to check out. I seriously doubt scum would have 2 back-ups..

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i'll wait on Poro first...

I answered your questions, Poro..
so i'm entitled to mine...

Who do you think is scum?

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Seanald....seriously?

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on my phone...
Oversoul can only lie detect on odd nights...so being scared he would lie detect to find a scum buddy makes no sense...
and Poro cant be number 2 on most wanted scum list...he's pretty much conf town based on mechanics...
this basically comes down to me and you...

I'll post tomorrow and address your points more clearly when I can get to a computer..

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Chexking in om my phone...
I'm V/LA til Monday...
I'll put my thoughts together then if I cant get to a compuyet before that...

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ok..i'm back from V/LA...gonna go back and look at everything..i'll have something up today...

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Poro,
please hold off on a vote...
Taking off Friday has left me with a shit-ton of catch up work to do today…
i wanted to address Jal's points first, but at least let me put my case together..
i'll answer any questions, as i have nothing to hide..
Compare our ISO's and look at the thought processes behind each..

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No one except Oversoul knew the limitations of his power. He refused to be specific about it. Don't argue it like it was common knowledge before his flip. There was a decent reason for scum to be worried that Oversoul had the ability to either clear a townie or check them.
You'd think Poro would be pretty clear (at least their role) after giving Oversoul the double vote, but it didn't stop derpy Seanald and Oversoul from suspecting Poro D10 moreso than they did you

I was under the impression that MS rec’d names and abilities from his role-cop. Hence he would get OS’s name and odd night lie detect ability? After your statement, though, i asked the mod to verify whether or not they got abilities or just a role title. And you are correct..it is just a role title... So yes, you are correct on this point. Apparently you were worried about OS checking you. Although I still think killing OS was a dumb move, btw...
i would highly question whether or not OS was lying about his ability, seeing as he survived this long as a scum investigated Power Role (MS knew OS's initials before OS claimed), especially when lower VT's were NK'd instead...even if he cleared or guiltied someone he would have had to have tried to convince us, considering a wrong lynch would end the game.

There is also Oversoul's death to consider. I doubt a lone scum would kill Oversoul, as it would prove they're guilty once he flipped and end the game. Scum have purposely sacrificed Pere. This makes me think a) scum were worried Oversoul would investigate overnight and find their partner or confirm a town and b) scum are in a good enough position that they believe they can make it in 3-man LYLO without Pere. B points to you, as Poro is probably #2 on most people's Pere's scum-buddy-list just after me. He has faced more suspicion than you, who has virtually faced none for the past few game days.

B also points to you Jal, you were already distancing yourself from Pere once MS was lynched, as scum would want to do towards endgame...i'll get into that in just a sec...

Sword doesn't review Pere this day even though he was the one of the two main wagons. His entire analysis and read of Pere is based on MSH's associations with him without Sword actually ISOing Pere himself in post 2777. He clears Peregrine based on MSH, and fails to really delve into the associations he had with others in the game while doing so, except for himself and one comment about scum probably being in a group MSH mentioned. Scum can find it difficult to look past the scumminess of their partners when giving a read and lie, making it easier to clear someone based on subjective associations than actual actions the person has taken themselves. This is further evident by how he tries to use my vote on Pere in post 2854 as a further reason not to vote for him and hammer Lastsurvivor instead.
Even when the wagons were clearly between Lastsurvivor and Pere toward day's end, he still fails to review Pere or even suggest another wagon even though he called Lastsurvivor "most likely town" in post 2786. This was hardly a last minute lynch as there were about three days to go before the deadline and it was on a Monday, so there was no reason to end the day early if he didn't like the wagons. The only thing was, Oversoul looked like he was about to switch wagons if no one went on to hammer Lastsurvivor. His move to hammer looks like it was to prevent an alternative switch of wagons and hammer onto Pere.

As i explained..i didn’t like either of the wagons at the time and i was pretty certain of my re-read analysis on MS. I was very confident (given the circumstances and his playstyle) that he wouldn’t have bussed his buddy at the time he voted for Pere. Keep in mind, OS was pushing hard for LS, not to mention that I found you suspect already, so yes, your vote on Pere helped sway me to vote LS.

As a note, before this day Sword really drove home the point that Pere shouldn't be cleared based on MSH clearing him, either because Pere could easily have been Ren from another show who wasn't a clear cut good guy or that MSH gave him an easy "out" in his claim.

This last point you are making doesn’t even apply in the context that you want it to. At that time I was stating that Pere shouldn’t be auto-cleared because I was still uncertain of MS’s alignment or motives, so Pere was definitely suspect for me …Again, this was BEFORE I did my analysis on flipped scum-MS. My analysis on him played a very important part in me thinking Peregrine was cleared. (MS played a helluvah game btw, he definitely gets props win or lose)


I also found this gem:
Amrun and Peregrine were the two leading wagons on this day…CKD (Superman) was still alive so Peregrine was needed for the Kryptonite. Jal conveniently goes for Amrun here, to keep Pere alive.

Amrun vs Peregrine is just making noise, and if they *are* both scum they are doing a piss-poor job at it. I've played with a scum Peregrine and he played a pretty poor endgame which is similar to what I'm seeing here - except this is not endgame and he's been playing this way most of the game. So, I'm not sure if I am looking at a town Peregrine who just plays this way all the time or is just being poor scum. Urgh.
Either way, I have a hunch and would much rather an Amrun flip today, especially given she still has not answered my question regarding reads - which just utterly hits me in the gut as being scum not wanting to out anything post-flip.

With Amrun set up as the lynch for the day and CKD’s claim of Superman, scum can plan to take out CKD with Peregrine, so she can safely put Pere back in the lynch candidates list:

@Rach, I love ya, but you've got to stop outing when you have some-sort PR like that.
Yeah, Amrun's relative silence and still no reads definitely looks like scum.

, MichelSableheart wrote:
With Porochaz' and RachMarie's names unlikely scum, that leaves Amrun, Peregrine and Sword as scumcandidates. Willing to join an Amrun wagon.

I suggest the former scum read (Peregrine) rather than the latter (Sword) based on votes today to look up on tonight. Either way, I suggest looking up more controversial players (Peregrine, Lastsurvivor, Pyro) tonight, Michel

There was a mass block that night…so Peregrine was needed to survive another day…Jal never tried pressuring Pere that day ..just a simple “where’s your update Pere?, in the middle of a “pass the alchohol, Poro” post. She didn’t go after him for his vote the Mason’s either, again, just a “I don’t know what he’s doing? Post…In fact she doesn’t even bother chasing him down until after MS is lynched , when she really needed to distance.


On MS lynch day, Jal looked to be fishing to help with MS’s fake guilty. She started with:

Let's work this out.
@MSH are you saying you got blocked or something? I don't understand. I would like an answer to Sword's question also, given the possibility of scum being in the non-investigative pool like I stated yesterday.

While MS went into hiding she asked Poro about his redirect ability he had..possibly to help MS concoct a story.

I was looking back at the deaths and the redirect one on particular seems like it may have has more than one use.

She did not vote for MS…
And now with MS gone and 1 member left, she actively busses Pere to distance herself.


Look at the way Jal played:
She seems to think as scum does..not town:

When MS was lynched she stated right before his flip that it (as scum) would confirm the Mason’s as town, which it wouldn’t have done. Adding to that, Fujiko was killed that night (proving that scum had the same thought process)

She was asking why OS thought he would be alive the next day when he claimed?
OS’s claim created nothing but WIFOM, as it was extremely hard to believe, given the circumstances. Scum obviously thought the same as Jal yet again, because OS was NK’d.

She continually tried to throw the idea of a third party out there to add confusion to the town, even after the Mod confirmed that the post she was referring to was in fact just a standard flavor lynch.

Look at her explosion, when I called her out on her points
She immediately tried to compare me to Nero, which was scummy as hell.

Vote: Jal

It's now up to you Poro,
Let me know if you have any other questions, or points that you would like me to address…

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checking in...

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back from my V/LA..

i'll be posting later today...

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Poro,
we need you in here, man....
We cannot afford a no lynch and loss
that would be a shitty way to end this thing...

please do a read...ask me any questions...

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Alright...i'll put a final case together tomorrow when I can get to a computer...
I find it disappointing that Poro hasn't said anything at all today..

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Sorry…i got the shitty flu bug that’s been going around 

Anyways, touching on Jal’s points:

Nice backtracking here, champ. You didn't need to "ask the mod" anything since Oversoul purposely didn't specify his role limitations pre-flip. You knew this, and tried to use that point to in an attempt to try and discredit my point against you bring scum.

Also, you keep going on about how you "don't know" why scum chose to kill Oversoul. You do realize that a scum-me would have benefited the most from having him alive yesterday, right? Given the amount of suspicion on me, Oversoul suddenly outing himself in the most scummily way possible would have been a god send for me if I had been scum, especially after confirming my hypothetical partner scum. Even if Oversoul didn't have limitations and somehow came up with a scum reading on me, that would have brought additional WIFOM and looked more so like he was just trying to push his reads.

Lol, that’s a bunch of shit...Scum-ANYONE would have benefitted by keeping OS alive not just scum-you..that’s why i said it was stupid for them to have killed him.
Seriously...look at it from a town perspective, Jal..
Oversoul claims lie detector at the last minute and says Seanald is town, and Pere is guiltied.
Scum showed that they copped him by way of MS giving up OS’s initials..so either it was a “fake” cop on a fellow scum mate, or he really did cop him
And If he was really copped, then why the Hell did scum kill off Rachel (who went VT by her own admission after her 1 time mass block) before gettting rid of OS?
Why would they go after a VT? Especially if they knew a power role existed?
OS would be prime lynch bait, considering how this shit went down. He would somehow have to convince everybody he was telling the truth.
And how? Considering it would be mylo, it’s not like he could let himself get lynched to show he was telling the truth.

Who did benefit from OS dying? You. You just admitted you didn't know the specifics of Oversoul yourself even with MSH rolecoping him. One more investigation would have cleared me or incriminated you, and when his investigations came out to be the opposite of what he was pushing earlier, you know what would have happened to all that WIFOM? A big chunk of it would have gone away and your townie status would have been gone out the window.

Ummm..no...
But let’s go with your fake scenario of Jal-town, and Omens-scum, and i am skeeered that OS is going to blow the lid on my game...
OS has me as a town read, you as a scum read, and Poro as more null.
So, who is OS going to investigate?
Me? Highly doubt it.
Poro? Possibly...
You? Odds are that this is the sure bet...
If OS copped you and got an innocent..he would say what? Hey Jal is town... and then try and convince everyone else that he somehow was telling the truth.
Oh NO! He thought you were scum the day before, but now you’re not ,so it must be true?. Why would town believe that, especially with the circumstances, let alone, the way he came out at the end of the day?
Even if he somehow decided to cop his town read and get a guilty, would YOU as town believe him? Not to mention the rest of town would have to buy into it.
I would have no reason to screw with this whatsoever if i was scum...especially being a town read of OS’s (and especially as scum knowing he is an easy mislynch) why would i worry? It would
be way easier for me to let him screw himself.

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Scum probably have a qt, so there is no reason for scum-me to help MSH in-thread to fake a stupid guilty. If he played "hella a game" like you said, he really wouldn't have needed me to do anything here. As well, Poro's redirect ability redirects the actions taken on a player back onto him (I think). That's not going to help MSH accomplish crap all.

for one thing, we do not know that scum have day talk...
if you guys were planning on something with the night talk and then it gets boffed because of the mass block,
yeh, you might want to let MS know not to screw it up..re-reading the thread makes it seem like you guys don't..
Look how often in your ISO where, when you address multiple people in a single post, it consists of the scum members only. Giving and taking direction maybe?


Poro, look at my Day 1 unvote of Seanald.. and the mindset behind it..
Also, I was the one who kept questioning MS’s claim, when others didn’t.
1974
Not to mention all of the effort I put into the reads these last few game days…
My game has been consistent, and it’s been TOWN.


Jal on the other hand,
has kept trying to bring in 3rd parties when it was clear that there weren’t any.
She tried to downplay the Nero slip for MS’s benefit when I was doubting MS’s claim:

Nero let it slip that scum knew that KMD was a Power Role. So scum must have a role-cop. Or could it be possible that scum has a cop ability that nets them names AND abilities in one?
Possible...

Nero originally said that after being accused of being scum because KMD, his biggest scum advocate, was killed N2. It looks more likely he was just trying to save his ass to me. Either way, I don't think its really discernible what roles the scum have based on something scum said while under pressure

her reaction from when I pointed out her scumminess was to immediately try to associate me with Nero.
She's been skating by...
She is scum...

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Sad then, really...
I have asked you ti let me address any questions and you wait tul now..
I left work sick today and am checking in on my phone where I have reception..
I wont be able to get to a computer until prob tomorrow and by then it will be too late...
Ill try and get somewhere I can actually sit and pot something together but from a phone it's gonna be a bit hard.
I am not scum, Poro..
Testi.g OS for his restrictiin was a small safeguard..we were going to no vote that day.
With everyone unsure of who wa s what I thought it wouldnt hurt to prove he had one..it was a small chance but il l take what I can get. Funny you damn me for that when even Jal didnt argue with it.
Also Seanakd was under heavy suspicion and avoided a lynch on day 1, He wa s a big question mark after that ..
he would have ben a good target for OS's pred.
When OS came out with his claim how come he didn't cal me scum?
Scum knew he had a power role..remember Jal even corrects me telling OS that I was probing a post restriction, not Powet Tole..

If you voye me, we both lose...

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Ill try and get somewhere later tonight to try and an see in more detail...

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lol...Work had sent me home so as not to killeveryone..
I took some advil cold snd flu and its helping...

Jal, you brougjt up 3rd more than just the once..
I can't poul out up on my phone but you did try again in the last few days with Seanald later on after the fact.
You even snapped at me for calling you out on it..

Poro, OS knew he had been copped by MS so he most likely knew that scum knew he had a power role...
if he thought I was trying to get him to out his role, he woukd have seen me as scum..i thought he was vanila with a post restriction..i was trying to get him to prove his resyriction,..i typed it out as PR....after OS made a big deal about it, .Jsl corrected me by saying Post Restriction, not Power role to OS...
seeing as only scum and OS knew about the power role, only they would see PR as power role. I didn't see it as anything but Post restriction...thats why I was confused when Jal clarified...thete should have been no reason too...
still trying to get to a place to sit diwn tonight..

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Poro please point out the points you want me to explain in one post.

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ugh...new page...
See 3123

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EBWOPX2:
3124...
ugh I hate my phone

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ok, got to s spot...addressing these:

If you want me to believe you are town you need to explain:
How O/S's post restriction would have helped you determine whether he was scum?
How it wasn't clear that MS was only given role names?
Why you stalled for so long on the proof of town?
How the extrapolation of O/S's posts provided conclusive proof you were town?
How O/S's post restriction would have helped you determine whether he was scum?

We had 4 Post restrictions this game..by all accounts, that does seem like a lot.
We had 1 flip as scum backup
We had 1 flip as VT with Restriction.
We had you with as town with backup (mechanics-wise, makes sense as town)
What were the odds of another VT with restriction?
Considering that scum already copped him and left him alive, it would seem weird for him to be a power role, especially with the NK targets. OS came in as a replacement. I didn’t know enough about his pred to know if he could have been faking a restriction as scum to “look town” , so OS would have been stuck trying to play it off if he had. Seeing as we were going to no lynch that day, OS did not need to have a vote. This way I can verify that yes, he had a restriction. To me, this would have lent a little more credibility to OS’s words, and it wouldn’t have hurt town at all. If he was lying then it would lean him more towards scum. Scum already knew he had a post restriction so it wouldn’t make sense for them to even try and show that he had one. MS said he checked 1851 and 1857 to verify that OS (as VE) had valid post restrictions. When MS flipped it mentions that he will get the name of the character and their role…not role “title” , so I assumed that it meant their ability name (like roleblocker,odd-night vig, etc). I honestly did not even think to check until Jal made mention that OS’s ability was unknown, when I was certain that that wasn’t the case. Mod proved me wrong.
I wasn’t “stalling for time”… when I was going through OS’s ISO to find crumbs, like I said I was going to do, I found that he asked me point blank if I was town. And I responded with “yes, I am town”. As a lie detector, you can’t get anything better than that. It’s your job to try and get someone to say that they are town, or that they are not scum, so you have a definitive sentence to check…my answer was 1 sentence..either I was town or I wasn’t. Why else would he ask me that, if he wasn’t planning on following up on it? The time frame allows for this ..like I said, Seanald was already a question mark after he evaded a lynch. He was a good candidate for pre-OS. Also, when I did try to prove his post restriction OS got upset..Jal had to explain that PR meant Post Restriction, not Power role…again, the only people who knew of his power role were him, and scum. As town VT one would only see PR as post restriction. That’s how I saw it, I’m pretty certain that’s how you saw it as well. Power role shouldn’t have been considered at all, period. But Jal thought I might have known about the Power role and that’s probably why she corrected me. Look at my response to her..like I said, it never even crossed my mind to think of Power role. If OS saw it as me knowlingly try to out is role. That should have made me scum in his eyes, but he didn’t call me out as scum. Why not? I think it was because of the lie detect. I wanted to wait until the next day to bring it forward where I thought it would benefit town the most. With Seanald confirmed by OS and you confirmed by mechanics I thought we had a sure thing. Although, I guess my delivery could have been better…

Jal says I keep saying town mentality and scum mentality..and the reason I say that is because I want you to know the difference. Town has to guess and deduce and try to understand all the shit that’s going on, whereas scum works with inside knowledge. I had no inside knowledge nor does it look like I do at any point. Jal looks like she does, as I’ve explained already, and she blew up when I called her out on it..and that’s not typical of her play this game at all…
I explained everything from start to finish..what I was thinking and my purpose for it..it hasn’t changed,
I did everything I could as town to try and help town...
Re-read my ISO and you’ll see that I’m not lying..

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also keep in mind i was V/LA for the weekend during my "stall time" and you didn't realize that i was at the time...

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also, if you have time,
I have history of playing a good game and then blowing it at lylo..
I tend to overthink things..
Read the ending pages of Final fantasy vi mafia...


Ok going back to my house, bed and meds now

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Well, either you were scum trolling me and Jal,
Or you have chosen very poorly...

Sorry I failed you OS...


I tried......


Sigh...

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Worst player ever wow......

is this directed at me, Seanald?

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also..btw , i hate you Jal!
you did a damn fine job...

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OS, if you're not too pissed off at me, do you have the dead QT link?

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also, on a side note,
Poro, i was pretty disappointed that you waited as long as you did with the questions..
i wasn't sure what you needed from me to prove i was town..what made it worse was that i got sick and had to leave work so i had no computer...doing all of that shit from my phone was hard as hell and it sucked that i couldn't really do it properly...

Ah well...
with that said,

i do have to give props to MS and Jal, they played a heck of a game for their team..Jal was smooth pretty much the whole way through, and finished strong...

i am curious as to why you killed OS though?

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Poro, i an't mad at ya..
it was a tough call..and Jal played an extremely well end game...
like i said, i get paranoid and tend overthink the hell out of shit during end game..
and i think that its something i have to work on as it usually works against me...

everyone from the sidelines can say it should have been easy, but i know what it's like to second guess yourself over and over..
again, i think the circumstances could have been better...the last minute time crunch when you told me what you wanted me to say to convince you, coupled with me not being able to get to a computer to properly address everything didn't help at all...

i was hoping you would really read my ISO and see that i was town...

no worries...it was a tough game to lose...

Again, Props to Jal and MichelSableheart...