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I voted Mariyta because I have psychic abilities.
I agree that the original typo did not deserve a vote, but I vote Mariyta because I just wanted to, no reason at all.
Mariyta's overraction may just be the way that she usually reacts though. It's a path worth pursuing.
As for Max, it may be a wasted lynch, but if the role is so much that it's an extra killing group and we already had, what was it, five deaths? It might not be a bad thing to lynch a killer. Even if Max is some type of altered-vigilante, there are so many killing groups that crossfire alone can help replace this vigilante. Nonetheless, our discussion should focus on discovering scum. I'd like to see more people pursued today instead of a cut and clear "lynch Max" plan.Sup, later.-
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Seeing that the Mariyta for Mayor plan isn't as good as it initially seemed, we should also discuss whether we even want to have a Mayor for the next day. I think we need to have one and that we should discuss it today. Seeing people's reactions about possibly having to be Mayor (some roles may not want this position) may incite some information that is helpful.Sup, later.-
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Aren't chances high that Vaughn won't really last long in this game? He's already being pointed to and it seems he rarely lasts to endgame, so what makes him so worth saving today? I think a similar argument can be said about Glork. The fact that Glork was voted mayor means that many players wanted him alive at least to the first day. I don't see how Glork as town will last to the next day this game. These same players, if anti-town, will now want him dead. Thus, I will not support a Glork lynch nor a Vaughn lynch.
And Max already claimed. We can keep track along the way and see what he's supposedly doing. Like collecting stamps or something.
And why the hell do we need to direct the vigs again? If we decide to let a vigilante who must kill remain in the game, I think the vig should get a chance to decide who she wants to vig. Mariyta has every right to include our advice whether she asked for it or not, but I do not see how we as a town have a mandate to direct the vigilante/s.Sup, later.-
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Okay, I can volunteer myself for vigging if it so appeases everyone. Yeah, that was pretty bad logic that I used in my argument. Mostly I was trying to say something so that I could try to confuse stupid scum into not NKing Glork or Vaughn, but I see the inconsistencies now.
Nonetheless, I haven't jumped on bandwagons and I'm not really adding too much to the day.
I will claim and it is (in simplified terms) cop. I can give my night choice and we can see how it matches up to someone else's *cough* claim today.Sup, later.-
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Yaw. Here's the problem. You speculate that you maybe should/could have received more than one result but knew you got only one. Maybe someone openly speculated that Yaw should have gotten more than one result and this is why Yaw says this. I can't be asked to search for that quote. But if Yaw is asking why he didn't get more than one and no one ever mentioned the possibility before - then I don't get it.Sup, later.-
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I know why he got one result last night, but I don't know if I can reveal more because of the ubiquitous mod killing anvils. But Yaw doesn't want to reveal the one choice. And I don't see why it would harm us to reveal especially if it's an innocent result.
Looking back at Yaw's posts, it does make sense that he doesn't know how the results are given and why there was only one choice. And if Yaw thinks about the result he received, if he's telling the truth, it should make a lot of sense why he was only given one result.
I'm expendable, do what you need with me. But I think that I should either help confirm or discredit Yaw now that I'm outed. If Yaw is telling the truth, then we need people helping to ensure that Yaw remains alive.Sup, later.-
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I agree, I think I'm a decent option for lynching today. I can't say I'm worth saving even though I know I'm innocent. I'm just against not getting the proper information from me before I'm gone. I think the town can get more information through a night phase soon. We're on page 33 on day one still.Sup, later.-
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So basically we're all suspecting me because of one really bad post I made and we're just going to stick with it because there's really no other better plan (and subsequently all other better suspects have better roleclaims). If someone still truly suspects that I'm scum, I'd like to hear some insight into how I've defended myself regarding my "I don't support a Glork nor Vaughn lynch" stance. We all seem to be still on me only because of the original post but not how I've acted since then.
I really don't like Drummer's "let Pablito off the hook" statement. I mean seriously, when all the votes were racked up on me, I was away for maybe a day or two and then I came back. I think I was an easy target and quite easily some scum were adding onto my wagon.
Also, should I (and when if so) reveal my night choice and what is Yaw's opinion on this?Sup, later.-
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For Yaw, should it happen that there is a tie cop vote - multiple investigations occur between all highest vote getters. Oddly, there was no tie vote last night and that's why you received only one investigation (if you really are the cop information receiver). Personally, I would've thought that with no basis to go on, there would have easily been multiple investigations. Why you received only one result makes me weary. And it's partially why I suspected you earlier. But I doubt scum would've known that there existed a cop information receiver, so I'm not going to doubt you anymore. Or it's not worth it to me to doubt you. But the whole mafia masonry comment earlier makes me doubt your sense of logic. Of course, maybe unless Yaw really is mafia and is on the cop committee. But I don't think it's worth it to chance it.
As for the cop tie vote thing. Suppose there was no one that received more than one vote, this means there would be many multiple investigations (to my understanding). This can be advantageous to the town. I had hoped that last night we would've gotten that, but we didn't - according to Yaw.
If you've got more questions or if you want me to reveal my night choice, please let me know. I hope this jumpstarts the game again.Sup, later.-
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I thought that there were possibly more than three cops. If there aren't, then no I'm not expendable, and plus the more cops there are (or at least an even number of them), the more chance we have for tie votes. Nonetheless, the day seems to be going nowhere so I felt that night needed to come even if it came at the cost of me. I'd rather not be lynched anymore though.MBL wrote:But I wanna know why pablito considers himself expendable.Sup, later.-
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I don't think vanilla townies would become replacements, if anything, I would rather think they'd be called the backup-committee. I find this role claim highly questionable - but of all claims today, this is the most expendable.
@slaking, is there any mention of what happens to the original committee if the "vanilla townie" who replaces into the committee dies? Also does this mechanism extend to anti-town committees?Sup, later.-
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vote: slaking_master
Since you've said there are no true vanilla townies in this game, I don't feel bad voting for you. Even if you are telling the truth, I wouldn't want you, a risk for vig NKs and lynches, to be "randomly chosen" as the sole replacement for a doctor or cop.
Also, regarding the cop committee I claim to be in. Only one cop was killed. The other was a special cop called the County Sheriff. This gives me hope that there still exists at least one other cop. Or that the County Sheriff had nothing to do with the results that Yaw gets.Sup, later.-
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Glork, it is my opinion that Rosso was not the cop result receiver, although it sucks if he was. You are entitled to your opinion. I still hold reservations on Yaw being cop result receiver because I still find it highly unlikely that there was only one cop investigation yesterday - but based on what Yaw has said, I see a possibility that Yaw has completely told the truth of his role.Sup, later.-
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I'm not getting such a good vibe on Nightson, I'd like to suggest him as a vig target.
Nightson was quick on the Mariyta wagon I started and both he and Masterchief gave me bad vibes for how they jumped onto the wagon.
While this would possibly "validate both of them", it's at a loss of two people - likely pro-town, and I think with so many early kills, this was a bad suggestion back then and still is now with so many roles revealed.I think we should consider having both Borge and Maritya target seperate people. This would establish if there was any difference in kill methods, and it would also validate both of them and not allow a scum to hide behind a actual vig. Afterwards we can switch them back to targeting the same person.
He was on my bandwagon, and those people are evil I say, EVIL.Well, I just thought Pablito was being a little strange, but after PJ's post I'll vote: Pablito
I just think that his timing for everything has been impeccable and convenient more than anything else.Sup, later.-
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Okay, let's forget the whole number of roles revealed. Any plan which advocates more killing by supposedly pro-town claims is not necessarily a good idea. Especially if we're trying to figure out who's lying. There is now way to validate a role if we're trying to figure out if someone is scum or not. Scum can always lie. And considering that we were having trouble figuring out vig targets back then as we are now - such a plan for separate vig targets was bad.
While it's likely Masterchief could be pro-town, it's still unproven.Sup, later.-
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It would be nice if Masterchief was scum and got himself modkilled.
Nightson, the main thing I had with you was not your arguments at face level, but the fact that you always seem to come in at the right time with moves that advance people toward inevitable lynches. And then you pretty much disappear without a trace until the next opportunity arises. You arrive only to poke and then you hide before someone hits you back. It means you instigate. And that feels scummy to me.
And, Nightson, who is your suggestion for vigging?Sup, later.-
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I'm extremely worried about Yaw getting only one result. There's no reason why we should be having ties both times. This leads me to believe that either Yaw is lying, the cops are mostly targetting the same person, I'm the only cop left or I'm lying. I know option four is not true. I'm thinking option two or three is the most likely answer. I think by the end of the day, we need to resolve this one result thing. But I think it should slide until later today, since it's likely this will always be an issue.
The lack of deaths means that people with night choices have chosen wisely. This makes me feel better.
I'm also not happy about the 9 to lynch thing. I think having a mayor in the future may be a good thing to have normal number for lynch.Sup, later.-
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I don't sense that PJ is anti-town or Coron is anti-town at this very moment, but I feel the need to interject before PJ's runs too far off with this hubris.1.) Yosarian2 - Town Vigilante - I said he was probably town (CORRECT)
2.) Bogre - Town Vigilante - I said he was probably town, because I didn’t like the way people were jumping on his wagon (CORRECT)
3.) Masterchief - RoleBlocker - I said he was probably town, because I didn’t like the way people were jumping on his wagon (CORRECT)
4.) Slaking_Master - Scum [Syndicate Goon] - I said I wanted him dead (CORRECT)
5.) Lordy - Scum [Syndicate Goon] - I directed the Vig on him during twilight (CORRECT)
I'll give you numbers 1-3 with little reservation. Nonetheless, there were other bandwagons yesterday in which you stayed with the bandwagon even though we did not lynch these people (Yaw and me particularly). If you felt that the way that people were jumping on these wagons were justified, then what made them so different from the other wagons? If you were able to sense this, then perhaps we should all go revisit these bandwagons to see if there were particular people whose votes were the most scummy.
#4 - well if hypothetically you and slaking were scum partners, or anyone with slaking for that matter - I would say that you'd want slaking dead as well, because he particularly didn't have a good claim and wasn't defending himself perfectly. Wanting someone dead may show pro-town intentions, but it can't confirm towniness.
#5 - yes you did. but lordy was lurking. He wasn't participating and if someone had to be vigged, it seemed the general consensus is to vig someone who wouldn't add much to the game. lordy was shown to be the worst lurker out of everyone. Your spidey sense did not see that lordy was scum, statistics of who had been posting more is what got lordy vigged. Again, if you were scum partners (which I find highly unlikely), it's a worthy bus moment. And if you get to point out that you directed Mari (or whomever vigged lordy) toward lordy, I'd like to point out that I voted lordy in the day and was THE FIRST to suggest lordy as a vig possibility. I'd have pushed further if I hadn't gone on the warpath against Nightson and mudbuck.
PJ, your record is impressive in this game. But I just want to point out that it's a bit of a botched statistic, because we can't prove towniness of other people you've defended and we still can't prove towniness of other significant wagons yesterday (Yaw and me). You were extremely vocal on Yaw (and I am still as well), but if Yaw is pro-town, that shows you haven't been batting 1000 yet. It's just that you're lucky that everyone who's dead is exactly the same alignment you said they were. Yeah, and you REALLY wanted me dead too. I know you're not batting 1000, because I know I'm pro-town. You have a great record compared to all others in this game, but as Coron already pointed out, there's a possibility of multiple scum groups. People who take out scum may really just be on an opposite scum group. Nonetheless, I feel PJ is likely town and at the least has been acting extremely pro-town and should not be a lynch target any time soon. Nonetheless, we can't prove his towniness through his past actions...yet.-
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Glork, you're not worth it to save yourself. Why are you so much more important that you'd roleblock the vig just to save yourself? You haven't proven yourself as pro-town and I don't see why you're so exceptional. Having only one roleblocker is decent for the town, we don't particularly need two right now.
I will not reveal my night choices now that Glork has asked for them. I would've before, but not when one of my top suspects requests it. I urge Yaw to follow suit. However, I would not mind if Yaw alludes to the nature of his night choices or his reactions to them. But I do not want Yaw to give names, as I will not.
Nonetheless, If Glork isn't lynched or vigged today, I won't whine. Maybe Glork can try to confirm himself by blocking Mariyta if he wants, it'd be a waste of roleblocking though. I find it questionable why he's so sure that blocking Mariyta will stop her action though. So far it's still not completely certain how her role fully works. And I don't see how Max (as his current claim outlines) is another killer, pro-town or anti-town.
But Glork, how can you attack Yaw but deny me the honor of being attacked as well? Weren't you the first to be attacking my flawed logic last day? Why is it that you seem to be setting up Yaw as scum but fail to add me in as a possible scum buddy who will fake results to make Yaw look better? I would've thought that could be one of your possibilities.Sup, later.-
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I know this is just wild speculation, and I can't be bothered to re-read Mariyta's claim, but there is still possibilities that she's unblockable, that her vigs go through an intermediary or that she is unwittingly part of a committee and that she's just been lucky to have voted with the majority both times. There's still a lot of things that might allow a Mariyta vigs Glork to go through despite you successfully roleblocking Mariyta. I'm kinda getting at the point that there's no way to speculate how other peoples' roles work in this game and thus we shouldn't be making hasty assumptions. Right?That probably has to do with the fact that you're a cop and not a roleblocker. I'm rather sure of how my role works. I'm rather sure of how my commitee works. Thus, I'm rather sure that if Mariyta is roleblocked, she will not kill me. Is that really so hard to understand?
Glork please get over yourself this game though. You're a little too arrogant for my tastes and maybe it's just your passion to find scum (which would be indicative of pro-towniness) but I find it offputting and misguiding.Sup, later.-
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How can you say that Glork is acting pro-town when he (see underlined) is playing the game for himself and only secondarily for the town? I thought this game was about the town trying to find scum. If this game was "everyone help Glork find scum so he can claim moral victory", I might not have signed up. Note that this is consistent with my "expendability" statement yesterday about myself. I wish Glork would show a little more humility than this.If I die, it'll be via lynching or a mafia nightkill.But I'll be DAMNED if I die before I find some more scumbags.And it all starts with Yaw.
I'm keeping my vote, but my view on Glork is now toggling despite this latest display.Sup, later.-
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Yeah, but if by some chance he's a mafia roleblocker, I think it's worth a try to anger him enough to get himself offed. I know, tough chance, but it's worth a try.PJ wrote:Also, Pablito's argument against Glork saving himself is silly.
Mildly disgruntled, I still like you Glork. And PJ too, but PJ today has definitely irked me more today.Glork wrote:You wouldn't be the first to feel disgruntled with my playstyle.
We don't need to test Yaw today by him revealing any results. I'll explain later.Sup, later.-
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1) My opinion is no.1) Do you think you're the only cop left?
2) I understand Yaw's line of thinking about giving not giving RESULTS (scum get a target list), but is there a reason not to give out who you'll investigate in the coming night, assuming the answer to #1 is no?
2) Read what Yaw said above. And plus, I am only one in a committee. The committee decides who is investigated, and even if I announce my night choice, there is no guarantee that what I vote for is what the cop result receiver will get. The other cop votes can override me.Sup, later.-
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Pro-town or anti-town, if Drummer's the only parasite, it might be best for the town to get rid of the role while we can. No need for previous roleclaims to change. Anyway, stealing Drummer's role was stupid, Vaughn.
@Vaughn, can you tell us when you "stole" Drummer's role? AND WHY DRUMMER?
Glork: Yaw might be full of shit, but from what I've read, I doubt Rosso was the result receiver.
If he was, "county sheriff" was a very bad role simplification on the count of the mod.That probably has to do with the fact that you're a roleblocker and not a cop.
Even still, I might've figured out one of Yaw's results based on his actions, this is what makes me trust him. And it would also explain why he might've gotten just one result on that night.Sup, later.-
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Oh Glork, thank you for apologizing for NOT outing Vaughn, one of few people you protected from claiming. No wait better yet, just recognize that your scumdar has been off days one and two because you ended up outing a cop or doc (ME - you pushed my wagon) which is exactly what you were trying not to do day one. I will not trust your instincts this game anymore.
Drummer needs to be lynched and Vaughn vigged. There exists the possibility that the parasites are not a cult and its just what they describe and maybe even they're pro-town. Nonetheless, we cannot take the chance of Drummer getting another night choice and we need to take out Vaughn for security purposes in the case it's a cult or worse. Furthermore, Mariyta does need to make a choice anyway and Vaughn's a good a choice as any.
And I'm very certain that one of Yaw's results matches up with one of my night choices. I'm taking a big chance that my senses are right, but I do not see how it doesn't make sense. I have to trust Yaw until he proves me wrong, and so far he has.
Also, Glork, one of your points is that the county sheriff seems like the person who receives the cop results, but isn't it also possible that the county sheriff gets the results of a tracker or gunsmith (or any other information role) committee perhaps?Sup, later.-
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vig Vaughn, please. He's at risk for being infected plus if he is a roleblocker, we might be able to find out more about mudbuck's and Glork's claims. I think one or more scum are on the roleblocker claim and it's better to weed the scummiest. If Vaughn turns out not-roleblocker, then I can feel easier about keeping Glork alive. Plus, the town already has a roleblocking action through voting for mayor. The roleblockers have the most expendable night action. If Vaughn is a pro-town roleblocker now, we aren't losing much. Plus he already said he's won, so he'd be at peace with being removed. It's a no-lose situation for us. If he already won, he's at no interest to help the town win.
I suggest we do not have Mariyta be mayor. I think Vaughn should be dead and we need to be sure of it. Mariyta needs her night choice tonight. I think I might vote pj for mayor. I don't think he's certainly town, but I wouldn't mind if he has a higher lynch limit for tomorrow.Sup, later.-
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