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that's actually a good reason to keep my vote where it is. It's been a long time since I've seen DGB do something that actually turned out to be helpful for the town.ibaesha wrote:I'm voting DGB because if she's town, she'll probably lie and do scummy/bad for the town things anyways. Figure if we lynch her we can avoid all that.Permanent V/LA.-
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Now here's a guy who's got the skillz to pay the billz.Fuldu wrote:Sorry for my absence, I was at a wedding the first half of the week and have been catching up since then. My first inclination was to read through the mlaker/Bogre bandwagon, but that, itself, wasn't as useful as I had hoped. However, it did turn up the following when I went through the posts of each of the bandwagoners individually.
Cesspit was on the "Well, we have to killTheCesspit wrote:unvote: viper0933
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I'll unvote when the mod replaces. Never trust anyone within the thread. If DGB is scum, I'll FOS ibashea and MoS. This could all be a ruse.someone" viper wagon at the beginning of the day, and then voted DGB when she posted that she had asked to be replaced, claiming that it might be a ruse. I have to ask, a ruse aimed at accomplishing what, precisely? Drawing attention to herself with something that would eventually be shown to be a lie? It actually surprises me a little that no one else has jumped on this for the obviously horrible argument that it is.
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yeah I highly doubt alignment will change. I'm more inclined to believe that your role abilities change as you change offices, but it's ludicrous to assume that alignment changes, too. I am also waiting for Lordy to answer Ibby, since that was the main reason for my vote in the first place, and he seems to be avoiding the question, which makes me want to keep my vote there even more.Permanent V/LA.-
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Why are you squirming so much? If you are protown, it shouldn't be so hard to answer the questions we've put to you, but you're avoiding them like they're the gates to Hell or something. It's really not that difficult...lordy wrote:I DID NOT CLAIM!!!! NOR DID I CLAIM ALIGNMENT! DO YOU GUYS EVEN BOTHER TO READ MY POSTS, OR ARE YOU ALL JUST SCUM WHO JUST WANT TO CONJURE A LYNCH OUT OF YOUR ASRE SO YOU CAN MOVE ON TO NIGHT AND KILL?Permanent V/LA.-
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unvote, vote: armlx
I'm not buying the confused play. There has been plenty of discussion that shows he DID NOT claim. Even if he did mistakenly think Lordy had claimed, there has also been a lot of discussion that casts reasonable doubt upon the alignment of such a claim, yet armlx chimes in by saying Lordy's role makes sense as if that's the most natural thing in the world.Permanent V/LA.-
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you're assuming the abilities are linked to alignment. The way this game is set up, abilities were randomly assigned to you regardless of alignment. Plus, even if the mafia don't have a mover role right now, it's possible that one of them (since there seems to be more than one) could move a scum into the other mover office by accident.Permanent V/LA.-
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That's exactly the point, MMoD. Why do you think that Yaw said that even he wouldn't know what would happen in this game? Everything is completely random. 2 things were randomly assigned, independant of each other: office and alignment. So yes, if we got unlucky, the scum could have a lot of the power roles. That's why this setup is crazy. We knew this before signing up for the game, that it could end up imbalanced through the randomness.Permanent V/LA.-
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It's fairly easy to do one of 2 things here.TheCesspit wrote:
What he said. MoS was hounding me for ignoring the conversation, I was merely pointing out I was ignoring for good reason.Yosarian2 wrote:Well, that's a fair point, MOS, but if the scum can switch or destroy offices, there really is some information it might be better for them not to have.
I wonder if the third level is what the office contains.
level 1) alignment
level 2) office role
level 3) office equipment not applicable to the role
a) Introduce your information subtely as ideas regarding the conversation
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Either method would've been acceptable and not tipped off anything to the scum or helped them (with the exception of a), depending on the nature of your information. Not knowing what information you have, I can't know for sure if a) is applicable. But b) definitely is). So you did NOT have a "good reason" to ignore the conversation. There is never a good reason to ignore conversation.Permanent V/LA.-
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TheCesspit, I'd like you to confirm that one of these scenarios is true (don't say which one, just that it's one of them).
a) when you die, your information will be obvious to everyone so it's not worth it to reveal it any earlier, since it would help the scum, too
b) this information is so devastatingly helpful to the scum that it far outweighs anything the town would get out of it
c) there is some sort of consequence (game mechanic-wise) of you sharing this information in thread that you are trying to avoid
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vote: BabyJesus
I suggest that everyone do a "see all posts" for BabyJesus. For someone who coined :not helpful: on MS, he's been a model contender for his own phrase. I'm not gonna give him benefit of the doubt anymore, since he hasn't done anything useful so far. I get the feeling that the only reason he voted bluemonick yesterday is that he felt bandwagon material and decided to throw him under the bus.Permanent V/LA.-
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this is a bit more normal for pooky than BJ, esp. since he's been in China and had off and on accessYosarian2 wrote:Baby Jesus? Pooky? You guys are in this game? Heh...I'd forgotten that either of you were playing. As I look back...Pooky's only posted 3 times since July 6th, and BJ's only posted a few times this month while saying almost nothing. You're two of the more experenced players in this game, we need to hear from both of you guys a lot more then this.Permanent V/LA.-
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I will poke around the bandwagon and see what can be found when I have my laptop settled into my new law school. (This is why I didn't post since last week. I'm home for the weekend.)[/quote]the silent speaker wrote:
Leading question much?Spamwise: were you kidding or for real about the surfboards?FOS: Spectrumvoid and SpamWise.
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I doubt that the 3rd layer is blowing up offices. It makes a lot more sense as an ability.spectrumvoid wrote:I'm guessing the 3rd layer is blowing up offices. Just a guess though... We've been assuming that blowing up offices is due to a tool that can be found in somebody's office, what if it's independent of everything? As in, the mod just randomly chooses someone each night and asks him/her to choose an office to blow up?
I'm thinking role claiming is a bad idea with these game mechanics. Since roles/abilities change every night, knowing that a person is cop doesn't mean that he'll be cop next night, and doc should protect him. So power roles shouldn't claim anyway.
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While I agree that H_P isn't the best one to talk on this matter, I would like to point out to anyone that didn't realize it that he has been away on vacation or something for a while, so his lurking seems a bit more aggravated due to that. Regardless, there is still a point here. Hopefully, H_P will post soon and contribute.Permanent V/LA.-
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Erm, we're voting BabyJesus for being particularly unhelpful, more than the norm. This is NOT a standard last resort wagon. Also, there were as many votes on me as on BabyJesus or HP, so why did you make comments on both of those "wagons" (there were only 2 votes anyways) but not mine?armlx wrote:My point is, we are going after a lurker with little reason (HP) or the standard last resort lynch (BabyJ/Fritzler). Neither one appeals to me, and I feel we would be better served finding a real target. Mathcam is on the right track here.Permanent V/LA.-
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your attempt at diversion/derailing and its "success" at getting armlx to vote HP instead of you (yes I know he claims it was b/c HP voted BJ) while not bothering to answer any charges against you is noted.BabyJesus wrote:
piling on to get a train going on an innocent noted. Your instincts suck. Actually you are scum, but if you weren;t scum, you're instincts would suck.Harry_Potter wrote:The fact that BJ is not only acting weird, but is also on mathcam's list of possible suspects leads me to think he would be a suitable 4th prospect. He was the penultimate voter on that wagon. I'm going with my instincts on this.
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you voted for armlx for no reason, then your next post called bogre scum, and you spent the next 3-4 posts talking about how we are lynching bogre, but you never once voted him. That kind of play is someone who wants to get a bandwagon started while seeming to join later when he finally votes them. You were also on the bluemonick wagon, jumping on there to make yourself look less scummy when he came up protown.Permanent V/LA.-
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quite interesting how BJ calls everything crap without bothering to actually refute anything put against him. Classic scum avoidance tactics.BabyJesus wrote:Very interesting how easily ibaesha is willing to hop on though, for crap reasons....
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I'm not the only one who's said things against you.
Why don't you try explaining some of your actions, eh?ibaesha wrote:Alrighty: BJ's votes and a bit of what happened around them.
random votechannel (lordy)
vote max because of bad play in another game
unvoted because it wasviper (bluemonick)that played badly
votedviperbecause he realized viper was in the game (was this a ruse?)
votedmlaker (bogre)following the next wagon that began forming
(says pooky is scum,blackberryquestions why he doesn't vote him then, he responds saying pooky isn't getting lynched right now)
jumps on thelordywagon - no reason
says 'we're all scum' after lordy gets angry
switches tobluemonickwhen lynch looks inevitable
votes pooky - no reason
votes spamwise/mathcam - no reason
votes harry potter calling him scum - omgus
+ a possibility of being scum partner bluemonick was referring to.
I think I see what you're saying here now that I look at it like this.
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While I agree with this somewhat, would you like to point out something NEW that he could've introduced as an argument against BJ that hadn't been said already?ibaesha wrote:
Echo echo echo. You just restated MoS's argument and part of mine. Do you have thoughts on anyone/anything else in this game, or are you just going to continue lurking and piggy-backing other people's arguments? I'm heavily considering moving my vote back to you right now.Harry_Potter wrote:@Baby Jesus- you jump all over with your votes every game is true, but normally your votes start out looking random and then ending up serving a purpose. Your voting here just doesn't have that flavor. The more I look at how things happened, the more positive I am that you are the scum buddy bluemonick was talking about.
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Umm, wtf are you implying here? I was making the point that there wasn't much more to be said about BJ that HPinHimshallibe wrote:
While I suppose you're just trying to make the point about what BabyJ is doing (or lack thereof), your comment almost seems like you want to just pile something else on top of BabyJ, but that you yourself won't be doing that. What you are accusing BabyJ of right now does not convince me, because of the player he is, that he is scum, and the fact that you keep pushing that one point detracts from your argument.Mastermind of Sin wrote:
While I agree with this somewhat, would you like to point out something NEW that he could've introduced as an argument against BJ that hadn't been said already?ibaesha wrote:
Echo echo echo. You just restated MoS's argument and part of mine. Do you have thoughts on anyone/anything else in this game, or are you just going to continue lurking and piggy-backing other people's arguments? I'm heavily considering moving my vote back to you right now.Harry_Potter wrote:@Baby Jesus- you jump all over with your votes every game is true, but normally your votes start out looking random and then ending up serving a purpose. Your voting here just doesn't have that flavor. The more I look at how things happened, the more positive I am that you are the scum buddy bluemonick was talking about.
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And iba, good post on H_P. Now, vote him.could'vecontributed, so it makes perfect sense that he would be agreeing with other people when he placed his vote.
That being said, I am very curious as to the sudden drop in support for the BJ wagon, especially TheCesspit's. I don't believe that BJ has put up a very good defense at all. All he's done is dismiss everything against him as if it was inconsequential. Nothing haschanged, but all of a sudden people are "rethinking" their opinions of BJ. I find this highly suspect.Permanent V/LA.-
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your voting pattern is highly suspect, and since you've done nothing to convince me that you had actual reasoning for those votes that would show a protown thought process, I'm still inclined to believe that your votes were based off of a scum agenda.BabyJesus wrote:
That's because your little "case" against me IS highly inconsequential. The fact that you don;t believe I have put up a good defense has no bearing on the actual truth of the matter - which is that nothing I have done is a scum indication. The fact that you are continuing to try and push my lynch rather then attempt to find scum is telling.Mastermind of Sin wrote: I don't believe that BJ has put up a very good defense at all. All he's done is dismiss everything against him as if it was inconsequential. Nothing haschanged, but all of a sudden people are "rethinking" their opinions of BJ. I find this highly suspect.Permanent V/LA.-
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wow...I think I have my play for tomorrow...just...wow...TheCesspit wrote:
No content.BabyJesus wrote:
No, it isn't.Mastermind of Sin wrote: your voting pattern is highly suspect
You see it's posts like that make me want to return my vote on BJ. Your voting pattern is poor, and there is a case to answer. Your dismissal of it as beneath you make you look unhelpful. Unhelpful players are scum, wether it says so in their role description or not.
My original vote on BabyJesus was about lack of content and vote hopping. This may well be standard play, but play I don't like. he's then go on to start posting and providing some info. While it's not the mostest helpfulish ever, Harry Potter's voting looks worse.
I'd say more pressure on BJ tomorrow is the correct play, while HP today is the lynch.
Your mileage may vary.
TheCesspit wrote:Baby Jesus accusation only holds water if Harry is scum. In fact, that sort of comment is setting up an argument for a later claim that mathcam (or anyone else deflecting) is scum as well.
Pretty happy with either BJ or Harry Potter as the lynch now, as it provides information on a fair few people's motives.
wow...I think I have my play for tomorrow...just...wow...I don't even know where to start with this...O.OTheCesspit wrote:
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No, it isn't.Mastermind of Sin wrote: your voting pattern is highly suspect
You see it's posts like that make me want to return my vote on BJ. Your voting pattern is poor, and there is a case to answer. Your dismissal of it as beneath you make you look unhelpful. Unhelpful players are scum, wether it says so in their role description or not.
My original vote on BabyJesus was about lack of content and vote hopping. This may well be standard play, but play I don't like. he's then go on to start posting and providing some info. While it's not the mostest helpfulish ever, Harry Potter's voting looks worse.
I'd say more pressure on BJ tomorrow is the correct play, while HP today is the lynch.
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those two quotes were right after this one from a page or two earlier...
which is interesting, especially since BJ hadn't put up an even remotely decent defense yet...I also want to know why TheCesspit thinks Ibby soundsTheCesspit wrote:Oops, it was silent speaker.
Unvote: BabyJesus
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I half like BJ's defence, and I was originally voting for lack of content. I admonish both the Masons for not talking as even not knowing the alignment, I'm sure you could help each other, or while away the nights with some info passing.
I don't like Harry Potter's vote on BJ, along with the rest of his play.
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You clearly aren't reading very well.MrBuddyLee wrote:We've hit one scum and one SK out of 26 players, leaving:
There are five or six scum left, most likely. It's pretty amazing that we have like squat for night results. It's even more amazing that we're basically at panic time and yet you're all acting like this is a tea party.armlx -- Jack Quinn, formerly Jack Kay
Uraj45 (replacing Colonel Kurtz) -- Jack Thomas
Coron -- Jack Evans
Fuldu -- Jack Hall
Harry_Potter -- Jack Adams
ibaesha -- Jack Johnson, formerly Jack Quinn
Mastermind of Sin -- Jack Lincoln
Max -- Jack Phillips
MrBuddyLee -- Jack Nelson, formerly Jack Fox
mystery meat of doom -- Jack Davis
PookyTheMagicalBear -- Jack Macdonald
spectrumvoid (replacing Shamrock) -- Jack Irving
mathcam (replacing SpamWise) -- Jack K, formerly Jack Q, formerly JackJ
TheCesspit -- Jack Zimmerman
Yosarian2 -- formerly Jack Xavier
Here's the discussion today, summarized:
Lurking today:Fuldu wonders what's in MBL's office
Coron throws out three suspicions with no evidence
MoS wonders what's in jack quinn's office
Ibby expresses suspicion of mathcam
spectrumvoid asks about lurker replacement
cam: defensive post
yos: explains bj's lynch, mild attack on cam re: bj
mathcam: 100% defensive response
spectrum: brief bj comment
MoS: back to office talk
Uraj: content post pointing at Coron
fuldu: more office speculation
coron: defends his indefensible record this game
yos: more on BJ
ibby: more on BJ, more suspicion of cam
MoS says "Interesting"
cesspit: office speculation
ibby: defensive post, reiterates cam suspicions
uraj: office talk
yos: office talk
armlx: suspicious of ibby
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The lurkers are useless--they should be replaced immediately. cam, Mos and cesspit are not trying to find scum at all--they are probably scum. Everyone else just isn't trying. And I'd rather not lose, so if you're town, kick it up a notch please.Permanent V/LA.-
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Mastermind of Sin Cassandra Complex
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Coron didn't post from Jul 31 until Sept. 16 or so. Up until his return for lurkerland, his biggest contribution seems to have been clamoring for Spamwise to get lynched, who was replaced by mathcam and still seems to be one of his top suspects. But that's another debate. He clearly wasn't here for the last day, so he couldn't have posted when the wagon was actually happening. Now, whether he lurked purposefully or on accident, that's something we'll have to determine.TheCesspit wrote:
I'm not. He could have stated 'I can talk to certain people at night'. This would have been the truth and not outing anyone.Coron wrote:Alright, we just went back to the: not a good reason stage.
Outing more masons than will confirm you masons=bad idea unless there is only one known mason alive.
I'm fine with his play.
He didn't. I don't like the way he played, and think he could have claimed smarter. It looked like a good lynch to me. It wasn't, but I wasn't alone.
Now, why are you questioning the play yesterday? Why not question it then, rather than today now it's over and it's easier to second guess? You've been quiet and called on it, I reckon, and trying to youself look good. For what end, I don't know.
I need to jog the grey cells, but wasn't there a long finger of suspicion over mathcam ealry on Day 2 as well?Permanent V/LA.