The game of the year: town won!

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• The Mini-Librarian (10)
  : syndromeofadown Rhinox Amrun Hoopla T-Bone Fritzler imaginality UberNinja Luffy Elmo TeH AzN
  
• redFF (4)
  : SpyreX MattP YYR TheTrollie
  
• Rhinox (2)
  : dramonic Trevor
  
• UberNinja (2)
  : izakthegoomba Chevre
  
• dramonic (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• IceGuy (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• izakthegoomba (1)
  : Johhog
  
• MattP (1)
  : IceGuy
  
• Milk (1)
  : Moneybags
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  AGar BBMolla callforjudgment Captain Corporal Chronopie Ellibereth funkybike1 Gregory Kairyuu Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Milk Muffin Wednesday petapan Robotnick2 SleepyKrew Staeg sykedoc TeChNoWC theamateur The Mini-Librarian Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 49 alive it is 10 to lynch.

I think that's a lynch!

[callforjudgement]

Err, that doesn't contain IceGuy's vote because it ninja'd my post and the pedit thing didn't come up.

Meanwhile, VOTE: redFF; this is a policy lynch I can get behind.

[callforjudgement]

Also, I agree with Hoopla; regardless of what plans might or might not work, with this many players there's no chance of getting the town to follow them, so we may as well let everyone do their own thing day 1. Then when there are fewer players, we can look back on what happened and maybe draw some conclusions from it.

[callforjudgement]

I think that's a lynch!

I think the mod's vote count is missing imaginality's vote then?

There are links to each of the individual votes, so that you/mykonian can confirm for yourselves.

[callforjudgement]

Oh, and to avoid errors propagating, I'm doing all my own vote counting ignoring other people's counts, so that if other people make a mistake I don't copy them. (Likewise, you shouldn't copy me in case I make mistakes, although I have measures in place to try to avoid them.)

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• The Mini-Librarian (8)
  : syndromeofadown Rhinox Amrun Hoopla T-Bone imaginality Luffy Elmo TeH AzN
  
• redFF (6)
  : SpyreX MattP YYR TheTrollie UberNinja Fritzler
  
• Rhinox (2)
  : dramonic Trevor
  
• UberNinja (2)
  : izakthegoomba Chevre
  
• BBMolla (1)
  : Johhog
  
• dramonic (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• IceGuy (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• Milk (1)
  : Moneybags
  
• petapan (1)
  : IceGuy
  
• TheTrollie (1)
  : petapan
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  AGar BBMolla callforjudgment Captain Corporal Chronopie Ellibereth funkybike1 Gregory Kairyuu Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Milk Muffin Wednesday Robotnick2 SleepyKrew Staeg sykedoc TeChNoWC theamateur The Mini-Librarian Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 49 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Err, TML's dead, sorry. Please don't modkill me.

EBWOP:

Vote Count

• redFF (6)
  : SpyreX MattP YYR TheTrollie UberNinja Fritzler
  
• Rhinox (2)
  : dramonic Trevor
  
• UberNinja (2)
  : izakthegoomba Chevre
  
• BBMolla (1)
  : Johhog
  
• dramonic (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• IceGuy (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• Milk (1)
  : Moneybags
  
• petapan (1)
  : IceGuy
  
• TheTrollie (1)
  : petapan
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  AGar Amrun BBMolla callforjudgment Captain Corporal Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Gregory Hoopla imaginality Kairyuu Luffy Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Milk Muffin Wednesday Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown T-Bone TeChNoWC theamateur Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 48 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

EBWOP again: MYKONIAN YOU SPELT MY NAME WRONG ON THE OP AND IT WAS THE ONLY ONE I DIDN'T CHECK

Vote Count

• redFF (7)
  : SpyreX MattP YYR TheTrollie callforjudgement UberNinja Fritzler
  
• Rhinox (2)
  : dramonic Trevor
  
• UberNinja (2)
  : izakthegoomba Chevre
  
• BBMolla (1)
  : Johhog
  
• dramonic (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• IceGuy (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• Milk (1)
  : Moneybags
  
• petapan (1)
  : IceGuy
  
• TheTrollie (1)
  : petapan
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  AGar Amrun BBMolla Captain Corporal Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Gregory Hoopla imaginality Kairyuu Luffy Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Milk Muffin Wednesday Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown T-Bone TeChNoWC theamateur Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 48 alive it is 25 to lynch.

PEDIT: BBmolla: Not part of my role, it's basically a bet made in the signup thread, that if the game actually filled I'd try to keep accurate vote counts. And I want to keep my word wrt that.

[callforjudgement]

Call, stop using blue color. It confuses me (plus it's against the rules). Red policy lynch needs more votes.

The mod specifically requested that player-made votecounts should be in mod color.

[callforjudgement]

Johhog is now guaranteed mime. Vig him tonight. GG mime.

Why are you focusing on third parties rather than traditional scum?

[callforjudgement]

Meanwhile, wow we haven't had a vote count yet this page. (No, I am not trying to get a a vote count on every page. But this is for my own benefit as much as everyone else's.)

Vote Count

• redFF (7)
  : SpyreX YYR TheTrollie callforjudgement UberNinja BBmolla Fritzler
  
• izakthegoomba (3)
  : petapan Milk MattP
  
• Rhinox (2)
  : dramonic Trevor
  
• UberNinja (2)
  : izakthegoomba Chevre
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : Johhog
  
• dramonic (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• IceGuy (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• Milk (1)
  : Moneybags
  
• petapan (1)
  : IceGuy
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  AGar Amrun Captain Corporal Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Gregory Hoopla imaginality Kairyuu Luffy Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Muffin Wednesday Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown T-Bone TeChNoWC theamateur Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 48 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: red

Just do this so we can move on

This is a bad vote justification. I know I'm voting redFF, but you're just lynching someone to move onto the next lynch?

[callforjudgement]

UNVOTE: VOTE: BBmolla

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• redFF (7)
  : SpyreX YYR TheTrollie UberNinja Fritzler Muffin Wednesday BBmolla
  
• izakthegoomba (4)
  : petapan Milk MattP Elmo TeH AzN
  
• BBmolla (3)
  : Johhog callforjudgement Hoopla
  
• UberNinja (3)
  : izakthegoomba Chevre Luffy
  
• Rhinox (2)
  : dramonic Trevor
  
• dramonic (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• IceGuy (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• Milk (1)
  : Moneybags
  
• petapan (1)
  : IceGuy
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  AGar Amrun Captain Corporal Chronopie Ellibereth funkybike1 Gregory imaginality Kairyuu Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown T-Bone TeChNoWC theamateur Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 48 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

@BBmolla: "This lynch is derp let's do it anyway so people stop doing it." wtf?

[callforjudgement]

Well now. Saw I had a role pm and decided to go give the thread a read. 18 pages since this morning.

nope.avi

Who should I be voting and why? The why is key.

Anyone who looks even slightly scummy to you, or anyone you think is a good policy lynch. I've been putting out a case on BBmolla in the last few minutes, but that doesn't mean you have to agree with what I say! We nee a bunch of opinions.

I'm going to be a part of the redFF policy lynch. VOTE: redFF

Uh Hoopla...

Alright, lets use the first two lynches to policy lynch. I'll switch to chesskid if we get redFF afterwards.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: chesskid

Awkward

Lynching scum > policy-lynching people who will be useless whatever their alignments. No particular reason Hoopla should keep her promises if a better lynch comes along. (redFF is still a good policy lynch, btw, but he'd be purely a policy lynch.)

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• izakthegoomba (6)
  : petapan Milk MattP Elmo TeH AzN BBmolla Muffin Wednesday
  
• redFF (5)
  : SpyreX YYR TheTrollie UberNinja Fritzler
  
• UberNinja (4)
  : izakthegoomba Chevre Luffy T-Bone
  
• BBmolla (3)
  : Johhog callforjudgement Hoopla
  
• Rhinox (2)
  : dramonic Trevor
  
• dramonic (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• IceGuy (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• Milk (1)
  : Moneybags
  
• petapan (1)
  : IceGuy
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  AGar Amrun Captain Corporal Chronopie Ellibereth funkybike1 Gregory imaginality Kairyuu Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown TeChNoWC theamateur Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 48 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Re the izak wagon: you're wagoning him for his meta. This doesn't mean that he isn't scum; it just means that what he's done so far isn't a scumtell for him, it's null. (I seem to remember him doing something incredibly rash on day 1 of an election-based game before even reading the role PM; I can't remember the exact name.) Arguably this means he makes a good policy lynch, but we have other more policy-lynchable people around, also actual scum.

PEDIT:

@callforjudgement: Goodposting, but I made it pretty clear I've no intention of reading what I missed. Definitely not now, possibly not later unless it becomes relevant. You're the first one to respond to me, so you get a direct question. How likely is it that IceGuy is a mime? I saw chesskid's flip, iso-ed the mod, and now I'd very much like this information.

The main basis is that he made two rather obvious scumslips (sufficiently obvious that they look deliberate). The argument is that he made them hoping to get a lynch on him quickly before people thought about it too much.

[callforjudgement]

@callforjudgement: In my opinion that's pretty much optimal jester play. Methinks he's got an above-average chance. Next question, who do you think will be lynched next? Not who you want to be lynched next, but who looks like the most likely lynch at this time. This question is very important.

I think izak will be; the wagon is large and growing, and there's no sign of people on the wagon planning to leave it.

(On another subject, re chesskid policy lynches: I rather like him, but I can see why other people wouldn't.)

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• izakthegoomba (8)
  : petapan Milk MattP Elmo TeH AzN BBmolla Muffin Wednesday Chronopie SpyreX
  
• redFF (4)
  : YYR TheTrollie UberNinja Fritzler
  
• UberNinja (4)
  : izakthegoomba Chevre Luffy T-Bone
  
• BBmolla (3)
  : Johhog callforjudgement Hoopla
  
• Rhinox (2)
  : dramonic Trevor
  
• dramonic (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• IceGuy (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• Milk (1)
  : Moneybags
  
• petapan (1)
  : IceGuy
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  AGar Amrun Captain Corporal Ellibereth funkybike1 Gregory imaginality Kairyuu Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown TeChNoWC theamateur Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 48 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

On the Vig shooting argument: I remember hearing someone saying something about a Mafia Doctor?

In that case, I think the Vig(s) should either shoot BBmolla OR IceGuy.

Fine, add Johhog into the pool. IceGuy, BBmolla, or Johhog.

It's probably best not to try to form vig pools in situations where you have multiple vigs and expect them all to be town, or acting as town. (If a killing role isn't acting as town, then they aren't a vig.) I've been thinking about directing from pools, and decided that it's only a good idea either as part of a breaking strategy, or when you suspect some of the people you're directing are fakeclaiming scum and want to have a reasonable chance of overlapping targets.

In this case, overlapping vig targets are bad; we want as many town-directed kills overnight as possible, rather than kills on just the obvious targets. This means that although vigs should feel free to aim for obvious targets, they should also feel free to spread their shots around if they have a hunch; we'll have more dead scum on average that way, and also more dead townies who would have wasted mislynches. (If someone's going to be lynched anyway and you vig them, and the lynch that would have been used on them instead hits scum, that's just as good.)

[callforjudgement]

That's a pretty bad list, T-Bone.

Also, it's nine to lynch.

"2) Lynches go by majority as normal, but the maximum amount of players needed for a lynch is 10. So, the first day you need only 10 to lynch, from 19 players on this becomes normal as well." It's 10 to lynch (a majority of 48, capped at 10), and will remain that until we get down to 17 players.

[callforjudgement]

But it's WIFOM, Hoopla. If he knew this, he could claim VT in hopes of it being a stupid scum move and coast.

Not sure he'd think of it, but still.

@T-Bone: I disagree with Rhinox, syndrome, Chevre, and NS.

PEdit: TML was lynched at 9.

The thing about scumteams being able to talk to each other (especially if they have daytalk, but possibly even if they don't, if they had time to talk pregame) is that redFF doesn't need to have thought of it himself; one of his buddies might have suggested it. (I know that when I was scum in Mafia with the Kitties, I was pretty freely suggesting claims that would likely keep them alive to my buddies.)

[callforjudgement]

@SleepyKrew: Nope, I don't think so.

Vote Count

• redFF (5)
  : YYR TheTrollie UberNinja Fritzler SleepyKrew
  
• BBmolla (3)
  : Johhog callforjudgement Hoopla
  
• Rhinox (2)
  : dramonic Trevor
  
• UberNinja (2)
  : Chevre Luffy
  
• dramonic (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• IceGuy (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• Milk (1)
  : Moneybags
  
• petapan (1)
  : IceGuy
  
• SleepyKrew (1)
  : redFF
  
• T-Bone (1)
  : MattP
  
• Not voting:
  AGar Amrun BBmolla Captain Corporal Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Gregory imaginality Kairyuu Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Milk Muffin Wednesday petapan Rhinox Robotnick2 SpyreX Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown T-Bone TeChNoWC theamateur Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 47 alive it is 24 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Err, 10 to lynch, obviously.

[callforjudgement]

The main point here is that redFF has

not actually been playing scummy

; that's not what the wagon on him was about. So you shouldn't consider him scum just because he got run up so far.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• redFF (5)
  : YYR TheTrollie UberNinja Fritzler SleepyKrew
  
• BBmolla (3)
  : Johhog callforjudgement Hoopla
  
• Elmo TeH AzN (2)
  : petapan Zdenek
  
• Rhinox (2)
  : dramonic Trevor
  
• UberNinja (2)
  : Chevre Luffy
  
• IceGuy (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• Milk (1)
  : Moneybags
  
• petapan (1)
  : IceGuy
  
• T-Bone (1)
  : MattP
  
• Trevor (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  AGar Amrun BBmolla Captain Corporal Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Gregory imaginality Kairyuu Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Milk Muffin Wednesday Rhinox Robotnick2 SpyreX Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown T-Bone TeChNoWC theamateur Zajnet zoraster

With 47 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Looks like theamatuer is another person whose name was spelled wrong in the OP. Let me go fix that (and go make your name easier to spell!).

[callforjudgement]

Vote count with correctly misspelled amatuers:

Vote Count

• redFF (5)
  : YYR TheTrollie UberNinja Fritzler SleepyKrew
  
• BBmolla (3)
  : Johhog callforjudgement Hoopla
  
• Elmo TeH AzN (2)
  : petapan Zdenek
  
• Rhinox (2)
  : dramonic Trevor
  
• T-Bone (2)
  : MattP theamatuer
  
• UberNinja (2)
  : Chevre Luffy
  
• IceGuy (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• Milk (1)
  : Moneybags
  
• petapan (1)
  : IceGuy
  
• Trevor (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  AGar Amrun BBmolla Captain Corporal Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Gregory imaginality Kairyuu Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Milk Muffin Wednesday Rhinox Robotnick2 SpyreX Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown T-Bone TeChNoWC Zajnet zoraster

With 47 alive it is 24 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

We can't know without the mod turning up (and it's 10 to lynch; I keep typoing as 24, the number it would be in a normal game). He received enough votes to lynch him, but Kairyuu (who is not the mod) has claimed that the lynch failed. (I agree that izak's reaction is town, btw; if he's been paying attention it's an easily fakable one, but JOAT is not a massively good scum fakeclaim in his situation anyway.)

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• T-Bone (4)
  : MattP theamatuer TheTrollie Luffy
  
• BBmolla (3)
  : Johhog callforjudgement Hoopla
  
• redFF (3)
  : YYR Fritzler SleepyKrew
  
• Elmo TeH AzN (2)
  : petapan Zdenek
  
• Rhinox (2)
  : dramonic Trevor
  
• IceGuy (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• Luffy (1)
  : UberNinja
  
• Milk (1)
  : Moneybags
  
• petapan (1)
  : IceGuy
  
• Trevor (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• UberNinja (1)
  : Chevre
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  AGar Amrun BBmolla Captain Corporal Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Gregory imaginality Kairyuu Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Milk Muffin Wednesday Rhinox Robotnick2 SpyreX Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown T-Bone TeChNoWC Zajnet zoraster

With 47 alive it is 10 to lynch.

Meanwhile, Chevre, the difference between Kairyuu's vote on izak and BBmolla's vote on redFF is that Kairyuu apparently had role-related reasons to expect his hammer not to result in a lynch, but there's nothing of the sort going on with BBmolla.

[callforjudgement]

More YYR votes. If we're gonna vote VIs, we might as well vote scummy VIs.

I haven't heard that YYR is a VI. Do you have links/anecdotes?

[callforjudgement]

CHESSKID is mostly just a series of unexplained one-liners. He often does actually seem to put a lot of thought into the game and there's passive scumhunting going on inside his head (when he's town), but it's kind-of hard to figure out his thought processes from his posts, making him awkward to read, and there's not the sort of questioning style of scumhunting that, say, I typically use (although not in games this large until they've settled down a bit).

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• T-Bone (5)
  : MattP theamatuer TheTrollie Luffy petapan
  
• BBmolla (3)
  : callforjudgement Hoopla Muffin Wednesday
  
• Moneybags (2)
  : imaginality TeChNoWC
  
• redFF (2)
  : YYR SleepyKrew
  
• Rhinox (2)
  : dramonic Trevor
  
• UberNinja (2)
  : Chevre BBmolla
  
• Elmo TeH AzN (1)
  : Zdenek
  
• Luffy (1)
  : UberNinja
  
• Milk (1)
  : Moneybags
  
• SpyreX (1)
  : Milk
  
• Trevor (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  Amrun Captain Corporal Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Fritzler funkybike1 Kairyuu Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Nobody Special Rhinox Robotnick2 SpyreX Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown T-Bone Zajnet zoraster

With 43 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

UNVOTE: VOTE: Moneybags
Thanks Techno for drawing that to my attention. He's done nothing but push Milk for no obvious reason and buddy BBmolla, and I can't figure out the town motivation behind that.

[callforjudgement]

Wondering what kind of ability would stop the third lynch though. I haven't witnessed anything like that before (kill instead of lynch ??) And because it was so specific (who attempts to kill someone who is about to be lynched) I could see the only benefit someone would get out of it is if they anticipated the lynchee was in fact a mime, and realised there would be such a big backlash as there was.

Kairyuu has claimed some sort of modified governor who gets a daykill if they stop a lynch; he stopped the lynch on izak (who was a mime), and killed a

different

mime with the daykill, causing all the mimes (including izak) to leave the game.

What happened with the red lynch?

A bunch of us decided he was town, either out of dislike of the wagon, or because he claimed VT and people thought that was a towntell from him. I think there's widespread agreement that he's town, but not agreement on why he's town.

[callforjudgement]

UNVOTE: VOTE: Moneybags
Thanks Techno for drawing that to my attention. He's done nothing but push Milk for no obvious reason and buddy BBmolla, and I can't figure out the town motivation behind that.

Don't thank me, it was imaginalities scumhunting skills that drew my attention to it.

Though check out milk, this guy he is after. I swear they seem as scummy as each other, tell me what you think. Bussing maybe?

Milk doesn't seem to be putting much effort in, but isn't nearly as scummy as some of the other people who've been wagoned. He's just being lazy, AFAICT. (And trollhammering chesskid, which I imagine quite a few people on this site have wanted to do for a while.)

[callforjudgement]

That was a nice call Kairyuu.

This Moneybags lynch is a good call. But are we now going to start policy lynching lurkers with our remaining lynches?

The BBmolla wagon keeps rising and dying, for those of you in support of that...why?

The short answer on BBmolla is "look at his ISO", but that's a useless cliche.

Here's the evidence I went on to vote him, and to leave my vote on him a while longer:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: red

Just do this so we can move on

This is a bad vote justification. I know I'm voting redFF, but you're just lynching someone to move onto the next lynch?

@BBmolla: "This lynch is derp let's do it anyway so people stop doing it." wtf?

I'm not sure it's massively strong, but it's good enough for day 1.

[callforjudgement]

T-Bone, I would like to create a coalition of the willing with you to lynch the other 2-3 lynches we have (I don't know if the Izak lynch counts). Who do you think we should let in our coalition and why? We need 8 other members.

Is Mastermind of Sin in this game? He hasn't posted. If he had, I would nominate him to be part of the town death squad.

He is in this game, and hasn't posted. I don't see how you can tell one non-poster from another alignment-wise, though, because there's nothing to go on (except potential role info, which shouldn't be outed

this

early). No matter how good a player is, they can't magically skew the mod to make them town.

[callforjudgement]

I'm starting a rival temporary coalition dedicated to the destruction of all other coalitions. Upon achievement of goal, we will promptly disband.

Accepting signups (1/10):

Hoopla

Vote Count

• UberNinja (7)
  : Chevre T-Bone Luffy BBmolla Fritzler Kairyuu Elmo TeH AzN
  
• T-Bone (5)
  : theamatuer TheTrollie Amrun Muffin Wednesday Captain Corporal
  
• Milk (4)
  : Trevor SpyreX TeChNoWC dramonic
  
• SpyreX (2)
  : Milk Hoopla
  
• Trevor (2)
  : PeregrineV Ellibereth
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : MattP
  
• Elmo TeH AzN (1)
  : petapan
  
• Fritzler (1)
  : UberNinja
  
• Muffin Wednesday (1)
  : Zdenek
  
• redFF (1)
  : YYR
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : imaginality
  
• theamatuer (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  callforjudgement Chronopie funkybike1 Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Nobody Special Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown Zajnet zoraster

With 42 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Oh, huh, apparently the multiquote button causes the quotes to be placed at the top of your posts. Treat that as a QFT, because seriously.

Meanwhile, what's the case for UberNinja-town? I've seen him as town before (reading a game, I wasn't in the game myself), and he wasn't playing nearly this badly. I'd be willing to vote him, but some people I trust this game are saying he's town, so I'd like to hear the other side of the story.

[callforjudgement]

Meh.

UberNinja isn't putting any effort in, or trying to scumhunt, or anything like that. And I've seen him do that before in other games. If he's town, he's useless, and the only reason I didn't do this earlier was people telling me he was town.

VOTE: UberNinja

[callforjudgement]

Missed it. There are still a lot of fluff posts (and things like calling me town which are reasonably uninteresting), but there are a couple of useful posts in the ISO recently. (Should have re-checked the ISO; this game is moving too fast.)
UNVOTE:

[callforjudgement]

Read forwards.

[callforjudgement]

<3 imaginality and hoopla, glad somebody gets it.

a few questions before I begin:

1. why are both t-bone and fritzler omgus voting me? fritzler has admitted as much, but t-bone is trying to pretend to be town. ugh
2. what exactly do you expect me to contribute at this point? solid reads? anything other than slaphappy humor/semi-trolling? and why?
3. what do all of the lynches so far have in common? they were popular? they were because of scumminess? what's the link between?

i'll be back in a while with some thoughts. in the mean time, i would lynch t-bone in a heartbeat

but i think fritzler needs more pressure before anyone is lynched

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Izak

Yup

@Milk:

Your reads don't make sense to me, but the reads you have are on nonactive people allowing you to give many reads while hiding in the back. Obviously guessing SK is a bit silly, but to me it doesn't seem like you're part of a groupscum.
Don't know how to explain, doesn't really matter at the moment, just keep talking and stuff.

Peta is town btw

It's also possible Milk is town with ludicrous reads.

Luffy: UN is possible buddying-me scum, but Izak is more obvious atm. And I don't believe Izak is mime.

Nah I like SpyreX :/

Hoopla Izak is scum here, furrealz.

Is petapan a redFF alt?

Haaha lol this made me laugh :P

Yea. Just wanted to point that out. Nothing to say in this second. Maybe in a second or two I will :P

Red and Izak, thoughts on both.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: red

Just do this so we can move on

@Hoopla:

Fair enough.

@Muffin:

Fair enough, it's just bait for scum, but as long as you agree Izak is scum and Red is just policy we good.

@SpyreX:

I actually think Milk is either SK or Town, which is strange, but I don't really want them dead atm. Their reads shouldn't cause any issues with getting the correct lynches atm.

Matt is town yeah.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Izak

That was bullshit by the way.

"HEY EVERYONE JOIN THIS RED WAGON"
"For fucks sake, Izak is scum just finish Red off so we can stop derping."
"OMG BB IS SCUM EVERYONE OFF RED IS TOWN"

The fuck guys.

This is why Izak is scummy folks, because he actually believes the Red lynch is anything but policy.

Are you guys ignoring everything I say?(Inb4 "yes")

you certainly say IZAK IS SCUM often enough, but you're a little slim on the WHY HE'S SCUM aspect

is there really no other reason than the one in 432 why he should be lynched?

Re the izak wagon: you're wagoning him for his meta. This doesn't mean that he isn't scum; it just means that what he's done so far isn't a scumtell for him, it's null. (I seem to remember him doing something incredibly rash on day 1 of an election-based game before even reading the role PM; I can't remember the exact name.) Arguably this means he makes a good policy lynch, but we have other more policy-lynchable people around, also actual scum.

...I've made it very clear why I think he's scum.

No, you'd made it very clear THAT you think he's scum, you had said virtually nothing about the WHY part

VOTE: Uberninja

Peta is town btw

It's also possible Milk is town with ludicrous reads.

Luffy: UN is possible buddying-me scum, but Izak is more obvious atm. And I don't believe Izak is mime.

It's one of izak or BBmolla today. Not both. Decide people.

Though UberNinja should be before them both.

Why not both of us?

Agreed on UN, he should probably die soon.

T-Bone vote Izak, UN is next.

Hoopla I jumped on earlier, then jumped off for Izak, noted how Red wagon was getting in the way so tried to finish it so it'd stop wasting time, then jumped back to Izak.

Town wagon = He's scum or that is composed of town people?

VOTE: Uberninja

UN stop being scum

Could you at least pretend to try to be town

Mimes are dead you don't have any excuse any more

Wait, wait.

Okay, coalitions are dumb. Let's disband them.

Hoopla, I want to join your coalition to disband coalitions.

UberNinja is probably not scum.

p-edit: Also getting town vibes off of BBmolla.

I'm a day cop.

I have a scumread on UN as I've stated, I'm just waiting to see if this is a legit claim or just a joke.

P-Edit: Stop being me damnit.

T-Bone are you policy lynching UN or do you think he's scum

UN do you have any reads at all

I hate you UN.

VOTE: Uberninja

Done with this shit, he is NOT town.

Here you are again, doing that shit with the PLAYER X IS SCUM but nothing of the WHY

Coming from you, who had THIS read on redFF, that seems a little hypocritical don't you think? hmmmm?

Izak is scummy [...] because he actually believes the Red lynch is anything but policy.

If you're saying MY lynch is anything but policy (lynch anti-town people who are having fun at others' expense)...

...then what does that make you? :cool:

callforjudgement is probtown.

at first i thought he might be scum trying to get brownie points by helping with vote counts, but this post sealed it for me:

On the Vig shooting argument: I remember hearing someone saying something about a Mafia Doctor?

In that case, I think the Vig(s) should either shoot BBmolla OR IceGuy.

Fine, add Johhog into the pool. IceGuy, BBmolla, or Johhog.

It's probably best not to try to form vig pools in situations where you have multiple vigs and expect them all to be town, or acting as town. (If a killing role isn't acting as town, then they aren't a vig.) I've been thinking about directing from pools, and decided that it's only a good idea either as part of a breaking strategy, or when you suspect some of the people you're directing are fakeclaiming scum and want to have a reasonable chance of overlapping targets.

In this case, overlapping vig targets are bad; we want as many town-directed kills overnight as possible, rather than kills on just the obvious targets. This means that although vigs should feel free to aim for obvious targets, they should also feel free to spread their shots around if they have a hunch; we'll have more dead scum on average that way, and also more dead townies who would have wasted mislynches. (If someone's going to be lynched anyway and you vig them, and the lynch that would have been used on them instead hits scum, that's just as good.)

I just counted: UberNinja has 42 posts, 6 of them are useful (all of them quite recent).

[callforjudgement]

Err, and I keep forgetting that if I type in "quick reply", it goes and puts everything I have in multiquote at the start of my post without warning. Sorry about that, everyone. (I think that only lists five of them there.)

[callforjudgement]

Err, and I keep forgetting that if I type in "quick reply", it goes and puts everything I have in multiquote at the start of my post without warning. Sorry about that, everyone. (I think that only lists five of them there.)

Wait, what? Please explain how that works. All i know how to do is click Q+, Q+, Q+, and then Quote, and it will quote all 4 posts.

If you click Q+, Q+, Q+, then forget about it, then try to make a post using the "quick reply" thing, it puts a quote of all the posts at the start of your post by surprise.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• UberNinja (7)
  : Chevre T-Bone Luffy Fritzler Kairyuu Elmo TeH AzN redFF
  
• T-Bone (5)
  : theamatuer TheTrollie Amrun Muffin Wednesday Captain Corporal
  
• Milk (4)
  : Trevor SpyreX TeChNoWC dramonic
  
• Captain Corporal (2)
  : Ellibereth PeregrineV
  
• SpyreX (2)
  : Milk Hoopla
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : MattP
  
• Elmo TeH AzN (1)
  : petapan
  
• Fritzler (1)
  : UberNinja
  
• Muffin Wednesday (1)
  : Zdenek
  
• redFF (1)
  : YYR
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : imaginality
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla callforjudgement Chronopie funkybike1 Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Nobody Special Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown Zajnet zoraster

With 42 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• Captain Corporal (8)
  : Ellibereth PeregrineV BBmolla Muffin Wednesday petapan YYR Elmo TeH AzN SpyreX
  
• T-Bone (5)
  : theamatuer TheTrollie Amrun Captain Corporal Luffy
  
• Milk (3)
  : Trevor dramonic Staeg
  
• SpyreX (3)
  : Milk Hoopla TeChNoWC
  
• UberNinja (3)
  : Chevre T-Bone redFF
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : MattP
  
• Fritzler (1)
  : UberNinja
  
• Muffin Wednesday (1)
  : Zdenek
  
• petapan (1)
  : syndromeofadown
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : imaginality
  
• Not voting:
  callforjudgement Chronopie Fritzler funkybike1 Kairyuu Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Nobody Special Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew sykedoc Zajnet zoraster

With 42 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

This Captain Corporal wagon is ridiculous; and for reasons unrelated to the Corporal himself. I've just been rereading the thread (after sleeping in all morning) to update the vote count, and what really stood out to me was the way that all the most recent votes on the wagon have been unexplained and looked more like trolling than anything else.

VOTE: SpyreX
Elmo's and SpyreX's votes are just as bad, but SpyreX's wagon is bigger.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• Captain Corporal (7)
  : Ellibereth PeregrineV BBmolla Muffin Wednesday petapan YYR SpyreX
  
• SpyreX (6)
  : Milk Hoopla TeChNoWC callforjudgement Fritzler Elmo TeH AzN
  
• T-Bone (6)
  : theamatuer TheTrollie Amrun Captain Corporal Luffy MattP
  
• Milk (3)
  : Trevor dramonic Staeg
  
• UberNinja (3)
  : Chevre T-Bone redFF
  
• Fritzler (1)
  : UberNinja
  
• Muffin Wednesday (1)
  : Zdenek
  
• petapan (1)
  : syndromeofadown
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : imaginality
  
• Not voting:
  Chronopie funkybike1 Kairyuu Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Nobody Special Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew sykedoc Zajnet zoraster

With 42 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Ouch, I don't like some of the people here on the SpyreX wagon with me. (Although I do like some of the others).

Elmo, can you explain your reason for your play this game, and your votes? Are you just randomly hopping from growing wagon to growing wagon?

[callforjudgement]

It was between SpyreX and Elmo before. And if Elmo wants to be lynched so badly…

(I'd favour Chronopie for town over Elmo any day.)

VOTE: Elmo TeH AzN

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• T-Bone (7)
  : theamatuer TheTrollie Amrun Captain Corporal Luffy MattP Muffin Wednesday
  
• Captain Corporal (6)
  : Ellibereth PeregrineV BBmolla petapan YYR SpyreX
  
• Milk (4)
  : Trevor dramonic Staeg funkybike1
  
• SpyreX (4)
  : Milk Hoopla TeChNoWC Fritzler
  
• Elmo TeH AzN (2)
  : Chronopie callforjudgement
  
• UberNinja (2)
  : Chevre T-Bone
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : redFF
  
• Chronopie (1)
  : Elmo TeH AzN
  
• Fritzler (1)
  : UberNinja
  
• Muffin Wednesday (1)
  : Zdenek
  
• petapan (1)
  : syndromeofadown
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : imaginality
  
• Not voting:
  Kairyuu Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Nobody Special Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew sykedoc Zajnet zoraster

With 42 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• T-Bone (7)
  : theamatuer TheTrollie Amrun Captain Corporal Luffy Muffin Wednesday UberNinja
  
• Captain Corporal (6)
  : Ellibereth PeregrineV BBmolla YYR SpyreX imaginality
  
• Elmo TeH AzN (4)
  : Chronopie callforjudgement petapan Chevre
  
• SpyreX (4)
  : Milk Hoopla TeChNoWC Fritzler
  
• Milk (3)
  : Trevor dramonic funkybike1
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : redFF
  
• Chronopie (1)
  : Elmo TeH AzN
  
• funkybike1 (1)
  : MattP
  
• Muffin Wednesday (1)
  : Zdenek
  
• petapan (1)
  : syndromeofadown
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : Staeg
  
• UberNinja (1)
  : T-Bone
  
• Not voting:
  Kairyuu Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Nobody Special Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew sykedoc Zajnet zoraster

With 42 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• T-Bone (8)
  : theamatuer TheTrollie Amrun Captain Corporal Luffy Muffin Wednesday UberNinja MattP
  
• Captain Corporal (7)
  : Ellibereth PeregrineV BBmolla YYR SpyreX imaginality Rhinox
  
• Elmo TeH AzN (5)
  : Chronopie callforjudgement petapan Chevre manho
  
• SpyreX (4)
  : Milk Hoopla TeChNoWC Fritzler
  
• Milk (3)
  : Trevor dramonic funkybike1
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : redFF
  
• Chronopie (1)
  : Elmo TeH AzN
  
• Muffin Wednesday (1)
  : Zdenek
  
• petapan (1)
  : syndromeofadown
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : Staeg
  
• UberNinja (1)
  : T-Bone
  
• Not voting:
  Kairyuu Lowman Mastermind of Sin Nobody Special Robotnick2 SleepyKrew sykedoc Zajnet zoraster

With 42 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Catching up on vote counting myself. I skimmed the thread as I was counting the votes, but couldn't see much that was interesting enough to respond to. I'll go and compare this with mykonian's count after it's posted.

Vote Count

• Captain Corporal (8)
  : Ellibereth PeregrineV BBmolla YYR SpyreX imaginality Rhinox TeChNoWC
  
• T-Bone (6)
  : theamatuer TheTrollie Amrun Captain Corporal Luffy UberNinja
  
• Elmo TeH AzN (5)
  : Chronopie callforjudgement petapan Chevre manho
  
• Milk (3)
  : Trevor dramonic funkybike1
  
• Muffin Wednesday (3)
  : Zdenek SleepyKrew redFF
  
• SpyreX (3)
  : Milk Hoopla Fritzler
  
• Luffy (2)
  : MattP T-Bone
  
• TeChNoWC (2)
  : Staeg Elmo TeH AzN
  
• petapan (1)
  : syndromeofadown
  
• Not voting:
  Kairyuu Lowman Mastermind of Sin Muffin Wednesday Nobody Special Robotnick2 sykedoc Zajnet zoraster

With 42 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Oh, and I'm not up for lynching Muffin Wednesday just because he's kondi. We're past the time for policy lynches; lynching scum is better than lynching VIs. (Also, I don't know kondi, and what offences he might or might not have committed in the past.)

[callforjudgement]

Yaaawwn this is stupiddd but lets go ahead and get it done fast

Unvote, Vote: T-Bone

(I wasn't paying attention and I thought we had one more yesterday)

This is easily the worst of the votes on T-Bone. I had my eye on SpyreX for bad votes yesterday, and if he's going to continue with this crazy argument that lynching townies to prove the people on their wagon wrong is a good idea, his play is so shockingly anti-town that he's probably scum and even if he isn't he'll effectively count as scum.
VOTE: SpyreX

HOW THE FUCK DID ANYONE FALL FOR THAT

QFT.

BBmolla, seriously, don't say GOODPOSTING at me with your vote on me. You're being ridiculous.

QFT, to the point where I'm going to:

VOTE: BBmolla

He started piquing my interest with the weird lyncher thing. Think about it from this point of view:

A townie claiming that the game is now over might draw out scum claims, or he might draw out town claims.

However, a scum claiming that the game is now over would only draw out town claims (or potentially another scumteam's claims) because his scum partners would know he was lying.

I'd like to point out that there's a topic in Mafia Discussion about just this gambit (claiming that the game is over in the hope that people start claiming). Although it was a really failgambit (I noticed that most of the players on the list weren't in the game, although keeping votecounts gives me a better idea of who is and isn't; and a 6-man game-ending lyncher team in a 50-player setup with one NK and five lynches a day is obviously ridiculous), and I wouldn't expect it to produce information useful to town until there are very few scum left. (It's already been mentioned that daytalk is likely, in which case any scumbag who notices could send their scumbuddies a notice in their QT; and even if there's no daytalk, calling someone on it in the thread wouldn't be at all out of place for either town or scum, and scum are likely to pay attention to warnings coming from their buddies.)

I'm inclined to think that the gambit's just dumb, though, rather than coming from town or scum in particular.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• BBmolla (3)
  : theamatuer UberNinja Zajnet
  
• Luffy (3)
  : SpyreX Staeg TeChNoWC
  
• Amrun (2)
  : MattP BBmolla
  
• Lowman (2)
  : Amrun Elmo TeH AzN
  
• PeregrineV (2)
  : Trevor Hoopla
  
• SpyreX (1)
  : callforjudgement
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  Captain Corporal Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Fritzler funkybike1 Kairyuu Luffy Lowman manho Mastermind of Sin Milk kondi2424 Nobody Special PeregrineV petapan Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew sykedoc syndromeofadown TheTrollie YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 40 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

What? We are speculating whether CFJ is using those votecounts as means of gaining town-cred and if they are really necessary. I think he is town, but whatever.

For what it's worth, I said I'd be doing this in the signup thread, before I knew my alignment.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• BBmolla (3)
  : theamatuer Zajnet syndromeofadown
  
• Luffy (3)
  : SpyreX Staeg TeChNoWC
  
• YYR (3)
  : redFF Luffy Trevor
  
• Amrun (2)
  : MattP BBmolla
  
• Lowman (2)
  : Amrun Elmo TeH AzN
  
• Trevor (2)
  : PeregrineV UberNinja
  
• Hoopla (1)
  : Zdenek
  
• PeregrineV (1)
  : Hoopla
  
• SpyreX (1)
  : callforjudgement
  
• Not voting:
  Captain Corporal Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Fritzler funkybike1 Kairyuu Lowman manho Mastermind of Sin Milk kondi2424 Nobody Special petapan Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew sykedoc TheTrollie YYR zoraster

With 40 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• BBmolla (3)
  : theamatuer Zajnet syndromeofadown
  
• Luffy (3)
  : SpyreX Staeg TeChNoWC
  
• YYR (3)
  : redFF Luffy Trevor
  
• Amrun (2)
  : MattP BBmolla
  
• Lowman (2)
  : Amrun Elmo TeH AzN
  
• Trevor (2)
  : PeregrineV UberNinja
  
• Hoopla (1)
  : Zdenek
  
• PeregrineV (1)
  : Hoopla
  
• SpyreX (1)
  : callforjudgement
  
• Not voting:
  Captain Corporal Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Fritzler funkybike1 Kairyuu Lowman manho Mastermind of Sin Milk kondi2424 Nobody Special petapan Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew sykedoc TheTrollie YYR zoraster

With 40 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Btw, the recent conversation has been going nowhere; it'd be nice if people could post something useful for a change.

Going around taking townish-looking players and questioning their townishness is theoretically a scumtell, but I don't see scum actually do it very often. (It

is

, however, a scumtell that I like to accuse townies of making when I'm scum myself and trying to lynch them.)

I have some idea of Trevor's meta, btw, and he acts like this even as town. (I haven't seen him as scum, though, so I'm not sure if it's the same town or scum for him.)

[callforjudgement]

Why does it feel like half of these wagons are being driven by personal gripes and things that are occurring because the game is a bit large?

Because, sadly, they are. At this stage, the noise to signal ratio is too high; pretty much all you can do is look for people who are playing so anti-town they're likely to be scum and lynching them is worthwhile even if they aren't. (In a playerlist this large, there have got to be

some

; I think SpyreX qualifies, for instance.)

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• Luffy (6)
  : Staeg Rhinox BBmolla MattP Zdenek Elmo TeH AzN
  
• Lowman (6)
  : Amrun Luffy PeregrineV petapan TeChNoWC Nobody Special
  
• BBmolla (4)
  : theamatuer Zajnet syndromeofadown kondi2424
  
• PeregrineV (2)
  : Hoopla zoraster
  
• Nobody Special (1)
  : Trevor
  
• SpyreX (1)
  : callforjudgement
  
• Trevor (1)
  : UberNinja
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  Captain Corporal Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Fritzler funkybike1 Kairyuu Lowman manho Mastermind of Sin Milk Robotnick2 SleepyKrew SpyreX sykedoc TheTrollie YYR

With 40 alive it is 21 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

SpyreX, do you actually think Luffy is scum? Or are you just pushing lynches because you feel like it?

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• LowMan (3)
  : Amrun PeregrineV LowMan
  
• Nobody Special (3)
  : theamatuer Trevor kondi2424
  
• Amrun (2)
  : BBmolla SpyreX
  
• BBmolla (2)
  : Zajnet syndromeofadown
  
• kondi2424 (2)
  : Zdenek MattP
  
• PeregrineV (2)
  : Hoopla zoraster
  
• SpyreX (2)
  : callforjudgement UberNinja
  
• Chevre (1)
  : TheTrollie
  
• UberNinja (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  Captain Corporal Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Fritzler funkybike1 Kairyuu manho Mastermind of Sin Milk petapan Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew Staeg sykedoc TeChNoWC YYR

With 39 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

OK, so my problem with this game: there are

way

too many people driving lynches on random people for no good reason. I'm starting to feel that it's currently impossible to lynch scum, because scum can easily put pressure elsewhere in order to save a buddy. As such, I'd be particularly suspicious of players who are on mislynches while actual scum are being wagoned, but we won't determine that until later when we have scumflips.

Meanwhile, we can look for players who are jumping on lynches unjustified; it's a much weaker scumtell without flips (although I won't mourn the in-game death of players like that even if they're town), but it probably has a better chance of hitting scum than anything else right now. (I imagine that there are some scum in crazy lynch mode trying to burn through townies quickly, and several more lurking to avoid early pressure; the lurkers are going to be near-impossible to catch until the player list shortens a bit, though.) I still feel good about my SpyreX vote, as a result.

One other thing I'm wondering about is the Lowman wagon; we have people vocally calling him town, and people equally vocally calling him scum. If he flips scum, I'd be very suspicious of anyone defending him. (Possibly even if he flips town, although it's a weaker scumtell in that case.) This isn't to say that voting him is a particularly townish thing to do either! It's just, I can't tell how the situation got that polarised on such little information, and am wondering why people are treating the situation like it's such a major apocalypse.

[callforjudgement]

Sounds like we are on the same wavelength, and having the same reservations in terms of mislynches and the vastly easy way for them to occur.

I think, given that criteria + the fact that Spyrex has a hefty bag of scumtells that he may be the next best bet for a lynch, but I don't want to rush another wagon just yet.

Lol lets just kill spyrex he is so fuckin scummy kondi has been more town lately.

Also his town read on t bone read that he already knew his alignment.

VOTE: spyrex

Yes I'm indecisive what of it? I'm sticking with this vote until spyrex is lynched though

Way to miss the point, MattP.

Just as a sidenote: its 38 alive, not 39, since Luffy's mislynch. I was pondering over the numbers when I noticed it, because I have been thinking; with the mimes dead (seven from memory), how many scum do you think that leaves? and what are our odds of hitting town vs scum on a lynch? Is it possible that there are only a small minority of scum left, like five or six?

Bleh, who's on my list who shouldn't be?

I was guessing 10 across two teams just from the size of the game, but I was also expecting something like five nightkills last night (again, given the time of the game), so I'm going to hold off on trying to outguess the mod without more info.

[callforjudgement]

Bleh, who's on my list who shouldn't be?

Found it, it was Captain Corporal.

Vote Count

• LowMan (3)
  : Amrun PeregrineV LowMan
  
• Nobody Special (3)
  : theamatuer Trevor kondi2424
  
• SpyreX (3)
  : callforjudgement UberNinja MattP
  
• Amrun (2)
  : BBmolla SpyreX
  
• BBmolla (2)
  : Zajnet syndromeofadown
  
• PeregrineV (2)
  : Hoopla zoraster
  
• Chevre (1)
  : TheTrollie
  
• kondi2424 (1)
  : Zdenek
  
• UberNinja (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Fritzler funkybike1 Kairyuu manho Mastermind of Sin Milk petapan Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew Staeg sykedoc TeChNoWC YYR

With 38 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

OK, so my problem with this game: there are

way

too many people driving lynches on random people for no good reason. I'm starting to feel that it's currently impossible to lynch scum, because scum can easily put pressure elsewhere in order to save a buddy. As such, I'd be particularly suspicious of players who are on mislynches while actual scum are being wagoned, but we won't determine that until later when we have scumflips.

Meanwhile, we can look for players who are jumping on lynches unjustified; it's a much weaker scumtell without flips (although I won't mourn the in-game death of players like that even if they're town), but it probably has a better chance of hitting scum than anything else right now. (I imagine that there are some scum in crazy lynch mode trying to burn through townies quickly, and several more lurking to avoid early pressure; the lurkers are going to be near-impossible to catch until the player list shortens a bit, though.) I still feel good about my SpyreX vote, as a result.

One other thing I'm wondering about is the Lowman wagon; we have people vocally calling him town, and people equally vocally calling him scum. If he flips scum, I'd be very suspicious of anyone defending him. (Possibly even if he flips town, although it's a weaker scumtell in that case.) This isn't to say that voting him is a particularly townish thing to do either! It's just, I can't tell how the situation got that polarised on such little information, and am wondering why people are treating the situation like it's such a major apocalypse.

Sounds like we are on the same wavelength, and having the same reservations in terms of mislynches and the vastly easy way for them to occur.

I think, given that criteria + the fact that Spyrex has a hefty bag of scumtells that he may be the next best bet for a lynch, but I don't want to rush another wagon just yet.

Just as a sidenote: its 38 alive, not 39, since Luffy's mislynch. I was pondering over the numbers when I noticed it, because I have been thinking; with the mimes dead (seven from memory), how many scum do you think that leaves? and what are our odds of hitting town vs scum on a lynch? Is it possible that there are only a small minority of scum left, like five or six?

NS, do you have a post restriction?

[callforjudgement]

I do not. What makes you think I would?

I didn't, but in the last two games I've read where you were scum, you fakeclaimed a post restriction to explain why you were lurking. I wanted to make it harder for you to do that again if you were scum, while not affecting you at all if you were town.

[callforjudgement]

Oh, yeah, that. No, this game is just mindbendingly huge, and it took me a good while to really get into it. (Did you really read ALL of WiH3?) :eek:

Sure! Although not all in one go :)

[callforjudgement]

UNVOTE:

Normally when scum act like SpyreX has been acting, their subsequent play

doesn't

adequately explain all their play up to that point.

I still don't agree with SpyreX, but I can see the motivation behind his actions now.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• kondi2424 (5)
  : Zdenek Nobody Special Zajnet kondi2424 redFF
  
• Chevre (3)
  : TheTrollie PeregrineV UberNinja
  
• Amrun (2)
  : BBmolla SpyreX
  
• LowMan (2)
  : Amrun LowMan
  
• PeregrineV (2)
  : Hoopla zoraster
  
• SpyreX (2)
  : MattP Trevor
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : syndromeofadown
  
• Nobody Special (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• YYR (1)
  : Staeg
  
• Not voting:
  callforjudgement Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Fritzler funkybike1 Kairyuu manho Mastermind of Sin Milk petapan Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew sykedoc TeChNoWC YYR

With 38 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

cali can you help me out with my question so I can finish this up

You'd probably better ask the mod, for reasons I don't really want to go into.

[callforjudgement]

VOTE: chevre

Just read the ISO, and ouch.

[callforjudgement]

(In short; his recent play hasn't been great, and checking the ISO showed me a whole lot of posts I didn't remember he made that are even worse. And it looks sort-of like he was trying to excuse them by pretending they didn't exist and hoping nobody would check; I honestly thought his first post here was just a few days ago.)

[callforjudgement]

uberninja is obv scum, as is kondi.

callforjudgement is also very obv scum for hiding behind the votecounts to provide no content, and look how much un is arguing against the kondi wagon with no actual reasoning.

LYNCH KONDI FOR SCUM LYNCH.

How much of this post is and isn't sarcastic?

If it's all meant to be serious, I advise a reread, and ISOs of the players in question.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• Chevre (7)
  : TheTrollie UberNinja callforjudgement LowMan manho Nobody Special Fritzler
  
• Nobody Special (4)
  : theamatuer Trevor kondi2424 Staeg
  
• kondi2424 (3)
  : Zdenek Zajnet redFF
  
• Amrun (2)
  : BBmolla SpyreX
  
• PeregrineV (2)
  : Hoopla zoraster
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : syndromeofadown
  
• LowMan (1)
  : Amrun
  
• SpyreX (1)
  : MattP
  
• zoraster (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Kairyuu Mastermind of Sin Milk petapan Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew sykedoc TeChNoWC YYR

With 38 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

(In short; his recent play hasn't been great, and checking the ISO showed me a whole lot of posts I didn't remember he made that are even worse. And it looks sort-of like he was trying to excuse them by pretending they didn't exist and hoping nobody would check; I honestly thought his first post here was just a few days ago.)

I agree that I probably did not deal with my case on Luffy in the correct way, but otherwise I see no problems with my recent play. Additionally, I think its sketchy to vote me simply because you do not remember my posts, especially when this game has had fifty players. In what ways am I trying to hide my pasts posts? I don't know why I would hide them when all of the reasons I have been voted have come recently.

It's more that you'd started acting like I used to act as scum; large walls when you come under suspicion to make it look like you were trying to catch up. (And the way you worded them, I'd assumed they were your first few posts of the game; it wasn't until checking your ISO that I realised they weren't.) I was prepared to lynch you as a lurker-who's-catching-up-in-a-scummy-way lynch, but reading the ISO to verify that showed that that wasn't the case. I still didn't like what I saw, though.

[callforjudgement]

Post 1902Callforjudgment Can you post thing specifically you don't like about him? How about an actual case or specific post you don't like. Actually, this goes to everyone voting Chevre. Just saying "look at his ISO it's bad" is not a good reason.

In summary, short fluffy one-liners early, disappears for a while, then starts posting walls which are pretty much walls for the sake of walls. He's got a little better recently, though.

[callforjudgement]

I lied, three mafia, one town.
Still a playstyle thing.

Yes, 3 mafia, 1 town. I didn't say it was a solid 100% scumtell, but you've proven my point that it comes from scum more than town. Playstyle... maybe. But I don't know how much more "playstyle" I can take from you before it starts wearing on my suspicion, which lately you have been to be honest.

Post 1608 - YYR. Don't know what it is, but this post gives me scummy vibes simply because simply because saying "lynch me if you really want to" while at L-7 and pressure is dissolving seems like he's overly paranoid and may be trying to get people to unvote him since spyrex said the same thing and somehow magically his wagon dissolved.

Don't feel like quoting the posts since its a lot of back and forth, but MattP's pressure on kondi is good, and kondi's defense feels like handwaving and pretty much trying to discredit Matt. ("you honestly suck at this game" "look at my scum record I can't be scum")

Post 1707Still not liking petapan. He posts IIOA, gets called out on it, responds with ad hominem attacks and this post feels like an excuse to lurk. His next posts aren't any better, see Post 1708, Post 1841. If he's not scum he's entirely useless to town.

Post 1902Callforjudgment Can you post thing specifically you don't like about him? How about an actual case or specific post you don't like. Actually, this goes to everyone voting Chevre. Just saying "look at his ISO it's bad" is not a good reason.

@ syndrome, theamateur, Staeg, your 1-person wagons are pretty useless. Whether they're scum or not, if you're not actively campaigning for their lynch while wasting your vote on them, you're doing it wrong and you need to switch to a better wagon. I recommend switching to Chevre.

BBMolla wasn't a 1 person wagon when I joined it, I just haven't been keeping up with the thread. Also, I generally like to keep my vote on whoever I think is scummiest at the time and disregard wagons unless it's close to deadline, but I can see that probably won't work in a game this large. Also I'm not voting Chevre, I think he's probably town haven't seen any good reason to vote him. I like kondi wagon better

VOTE: Kondi

Bleh. If now was the time for policy lynches, I'd be lynching both redFF and SpyreX.

Please can now be the time for policy lynches? Please?

[callforjudgement]

Oh, and for some reason, when I click on "submit" in quick reply directly, it repeats things I've quoted in the past. This is a bug that's really been getting on my nerves recently; I didn't mean to quote SOAD's post again.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• Chevre (6)
  : TheTrollie UberNinja callforjudgement LowMan Nobody Special Fritzler
  
• kondi2424 (5)
  : Zdenek Zajnet redFF syndromeofadown kondi2424
  
• Nobody Special (3)
  : theamatuer Trevor Staeg
  
• Amrun (2)
  : BBmolla SpyreX
  
• PeregrineV (2)
  : Hoopla zoraster
  
• LowMan (1)
  : Amrun
  
• zoraster (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Kairyuu manho Mastermind of Sin MattP Milk petapan Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew sykedoc TeChNoWC YYR

With 38 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• Robotnick2 (10)
  : MattP theamatuer Hoopla TheTrollie Nobody Special Fritzler petapan LowMan manho Chronopie
  
• kondi2424 (5)
  : Zdenek redFF syndromeofadown kondi2424 Zajnet
  
• Chevre (2)
  : callforjudgement BBmolla
  
• Amrun (1)
  : SpyreX
  
• Hoopla (1)
  : Staeg
  
• LowMan (1)
  : Amrun
  
• Nobody Special (1)
  : Trevor
  
• PeregrineV (1)
  : zoraster
  
• zoraster (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Kairyuu Mastermind of Sin Milk Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew sykedoc TeChNoWC UberNinja YYR

With 38 alive it is 10 to lynch.

mykonian, by my calculations, Robotnick's been hammered already. I think you missed theamatuer's vote (you can confirm via ISO).

[callforjudgement]

Meanwhile, this lurker lynch plan is interesting, and seems to make sense in theory (if we went around lynching only vocal people, we'd end up with scum killing the other vocal people and an endgame of only lurkers and people who'd flaked). Something I'm a little concerned about, though, is scum manipulating their activity in order to avoid being right at the bottom of the list; they have much more incentive to not be apathetic than town. (Perhaps this can be avoided by lynching people even if their activity increases, but that's problematic for a different reason, especially many people apparently just had a holiday weekend.)

[callforjudgement]

VOTE: Milk

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• Milk (6)
  : MattP Trevor Nobody Special TheTrollie theamatuer callforjudgement
  
• kondi2424 (5)
  : Zdenek redFF syndromeofadown kondi2424 Zajnet
  
• Amrun (1)
  : SpyreX
  
• Chevre (1)
  : BBmolla
  
• Fritzler (1)
  : UberNinja
  
• Hoopla (1)
  : Staeg
  
• LowMan (1)
  : Amrun
  
• PeregrineV (1)
  : zoraster
  
• zoraster (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Fritzler funkybike1 Hoopla Kairyuu LowMan manho Mastermind of Sin Milk petapan Rhinox SleepyKrew sykedoc TeChNoWC YYR

With 37 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• Fritzler (4)
  : UberNinja Trevor BBmolla theamatuer
  
• LowMan (2)
  : Zdenek LowMan
  
• kondi2424 (2)
  : redFF Zajnet
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• funkybike1 (1)
  : MattP
  
• Not voting:
  Amrun callforjudgement Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Fritzler funkybike1 Hoopla Kairyuu manho Mastermind of Sin Milk kondi2424 Nobody Special petapan Rhinox SleepyKrew SpyreX Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown TeChNoWC TheTrollie YYR zoraster

With 37 alive it is 19 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

LowMan, if your issue with the game is altslipping, why not replace your alt with your main? (At least one alt has done that already this game.)

Meanwhile: SpyreX is probably town, but seems to be insisting on anti-town play. The only reasonable non-tedious point that's been made recently is Peregrine's point, so I'll go join him on his wagon.

VOTE: BBmolla

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• sykedoc (5)
  : petapan funkybike1 Trevor theamatuer TeChNoWC
  
• BBmolla (2)
  : PeregrineV callforjudgement
  
• kondi2424 (2)
  : redFF Zajnet
  
• Jackal711 (1)
  : Zdenek
  
• Trevor (1)
  : Amrun
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Hoopla Kairyuu Jackal711 manho Mastermind of Sin MattP Milk kondi2424 Nobody Special Rhinox SleepyKrew SpyreX Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown TheTrollie UberNinja YYR zoraster

With 36 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Bleh. sykedoc's hardly posted at all, but reading the ISO, I'm getting townvibes from what he

has

posted.

Just looked into Muffin/kondi's posts about Fritzler. He starts off by suspecting him of being a mime, and later, after all the mimes flip, continues suspecting him. He doesn't really explain why (the only reasons are failing to live up to a promise, and not towntelling.)

VOTE: Amrun Pretty weird play with respect to Fritzler.

[callforjudgement]

Thanks, YYR, I'll note it for next time I make a vote count.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• manho (6)
  : Amrun UberNinja petapan Trevor Zajnet Jackal711
  
• Amrun (3)
  : callforjudgement Hoopla BBmolla
  
• sykedoc (3)
  : funkybike1 theamatuer TeChNoWC
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• Jackal711 (1)
  : Zdenek
  
• kondi2424 (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Kairyuu manho Mastermind of Sin MattP Milk kondi2424 Nobody Special SleepyKrew SpyreX Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown TheTrollie YYR zoraster

With 35 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

OK, so I just ISOed manho. His early posts are bad, his late posts are bad, his posts in the middle are pretty good, though. Not confident enough he's scum to join the wagon, but I'm not confident he's town either.

(Oh, and it seems it's Milk who's on my votecount but shouldn't be.)

[callforjudgement]

OK, so I just ISOed manho. His early posts are bad, his late posts are bad, his posts in the middle are pretty good, though. Not confident enough he's scum to join the wagon, but I'm not confident he's town either.

(Oh, and it seems it's Milk who's on my votecount but shouldn't be.)

This post is unbelievably bad.


But my beautiful wagon <3

I vote you in 2324, and you go from not having mentioned me all game to calling me scum in 2335 and trying to hammering the point in after that? I, umm, didn't expect to see OMGUS in a serious game nowadays, not when everyone knows the tell.

[callforjudgement]

Too tired to really think about this game right now (it's past midday and I haven't been to bed yet). So I just counted the votes, but haven't realy looked at the gamestate.

Vote Count

• Amrun (3)
  : callforjudgement Hoopla BBmolla
  
• sykedoc (3)
  : funkybike1 theamatuer TeChNoWC
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• callforjudgement (1)
  : Amrun
  
• Jackal711 (1)
  : Zdenek
  
• kondi2424 (1)
  : redFF
  
• TheTrollie (1)
  : Trevor
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Kairyuu Jackal711 Mastermind of Sin MattP kondi2424 Nobody Special petapan SleepyKrew SpyreX Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown TheTrollie UberNinja YYR Zajnet zoraster

With 33 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• SpyreX (4)
  : Amrun MattP Jackal711 UberNinja
  
• sykedoc (3)
  : funkybike1 theamatuer TeChNoWC
  
• Amrun (2)
  : callforjudgement Hoopla
  
• BBmolla (2)
  : PeregrineV Staeg
  
• Jackal711 (1)
  : Zdenek
  
• kondi2424 (1)
  : redFF
  
• TheTrollie (1)
  : Trevor
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Kairyuu Mastermind of Sin kondi2424 Nobody Special petapan SleepyKrew SpyreX sykedoc syndromeofadown TheTrollie YYR Zajnet zoraster

With 33 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Bleh. I still think SpyreX is town, although he also seems determined to play anti-town for some reason I can't understand.

The BBmolla wagon is still good, and for much the same reasons.

VOTE: BBmolla

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• SpyreX (6)
  : Amrun MattP Jackal711 UberNinja syndromeofadown TeChNoWC
  
• BBmolla (4)
  : PeregrineV Staeg callforjudgement TheTrollie
  
• Amrun (1)
  : Hoopla
  
• kondi2424 (1)
  : redFF
  
• PeregrineV (1)
  : BBmolla
  
• sykedoc (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• TheTrollie (1)
  : Trevor
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Kairyuu Mastermind of Sin kondi2424 Nobody Special petapan SleepyKrew SpyreX sykedoc YYR Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 33 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Just from the way these wagons are building and from the way people have strong opinions about lynch order, I'm guessing that exactly one of SpyreX and BBmolla is scum. (And it seems much more likely it's BBmolla.)

[callforjudgement]

Just from the way these wagons are building and from the way people have strong opinions about lynch order, I'm guessing that exactly one of SpyreX and BBmolla is scum. (And it seems much more likely it's BBmolla.)

What are your reasons for thinking that bbmolla's scum?

Early on, he was pushing lynches for the sake of pushing lynches, even on people who thought he was town. Peregrine thought (and probaly still thinks) he's scum due based on Rhinox's death; and more recently, he's gone back to pushing lynches for the sake of pushing lynches again

[callforjudgement]

zoraster's town. In both AFFC and WIH3, he was busy complaining that players weren't playing the setup "properly", i.e. fitting in with the theme rather than with the optimal town strategy; that's not happening here, even though arguably we aren't (I'd expect zoraster to want to push a bunch of crazy policy lynches in a 50-player game).

So I think he's being reasonably unselfish here. From zoraster, that's a towntell.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• SpyreX (7)
  : Amrun MattP Jackal711 UberNinja syndromeofadown TeChNoWC kondi2424
  
• BBmolla (4)
  : PeregrineV Staeg callforjudgement TheTrollie
  
• TeChNoWC (3)
  : Ellibereth Trevor Zdenek
  
• Amrun (1)
  : Hoopla
  
• kondi2424 (1)
  : redFF
  
• PeregrineV (1)
  : BBmolla
  
• sykedoc (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• TheTrollie (1)
  : petapan
  
• zoraster (1)
  : Zajnet
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre Chronopie dramonic Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 DeltaWave Mastermind of Sin Nobody Special SleepyKrew SpyreX sykedoc YYR zoraster

With 33 alive it is 170to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

"170 to lynch"? Err, quite a typo

there

.

People who are voting but not on the main wagons, do you think both main wagons are bad? Or do you have other reasons for your votes?

[callforjudgement]

VOTE: Nobody Special

I'm not sure I believe MattP's claim, but testing it is definitely worth spending a lynch on anyone.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• Nobody Special (7)
  : Zajnet MattP Elmo TeH AzN Staeg TeChNoWC kondi2424 callforjudgement
  
• SpyreX (6)
  : Amrun Jackal711 UberNinja syndromeofadown YYR BBmolla
  
• TeChNoWC (3)
  : Ellibereth Trevor Zdenek
  
• BBmolla (2)
  : PeregrineV TheTrollie
  
• Amrun (1)
  : Hoopla
  
• Hoopla (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• kondi2424 (1)
  : redFF
  
• sykedoc (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• TheTrollie (1)
  : petapan
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre Chronopie dramonic funkybike1 DeltaWave Mastermind of Sin SleepyKrew SpyreX sykedoc zoraster

With 33 alive it is 17 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

VOTE: Nobody Special

I'm not sure I believe MattP's claim, but testing it is definitely worth spending a lynch on anyone.

^Scum, this is an example of a player that DOES care but just played the, "wah Idc I'm desperate for a quicklynch card". Call is scum.

This is just simple theory. When you're

this

far from lylo, you should lynch anyone who has a guilty on them. That way, you're guaranteed to catch one scum, either the person with the guilty on them, or the person who called them guilty. I don't like lynching townies for the sake of it; I

do

like lynching potential townies when it's going to catch a scum either way.

[callforjudgement]

Call, can we get an unofficial votecount?

I just made one, do you want another?

Vote Count

• Nobody Special (10)
  : Zajnet MattP Elmo TeH AzN Staeg kondi2424 callforjudgement BBmolla TeChNoWC TheTrollie syndromeofadown
  
• SpyreX (4)
  : Amrun Jackal711 UberNinja YYR
  
• TeChNoWC (3)
  : Ellibereth Trevor Zdenek
  
• Amrun (1)
  : Hoopla
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• Hoopla (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• kondi2424 (1)
  : redFF
  
• sykedoc (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• TheTrollie (1)
  : petapan
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre Chronopie dramonic funkybike1 DeltaWave Mastermind of Sin SleepyKrew SpyreX sykedoc zoraster

With 33 alive it is 10 to lynch.

If mykonian's willing, I can carry on doing votecounts even after I'm lynched/NKed, if people want me to.

[callforjudgement]

VOTE: BBmolla Can we go do this now?

[callforjudgement]

Oh, and MattP: seriously, never do that again. Multiple games have been lost due to VTs fakeclaiming cop, and if you'd been wrong, we'd have been down two townies, because you'd have been lynched next.

And theory about lynching guilty claims doesn't apply if townies are being idiots and fakeclaiming cop.

[callforjudgement]

On the other hand, this practically confirms Spy and I as town (unless Spy is a Godfather). Scum would have no need to kill Matt unless he was right.

Nah, if you were scum, you could have killed him to be able to make that argument. It's all WIFOM.

[callforjudgement]

and omfg call seriously managed to ignore 3/3 scum lynches

SO FUCKING SCUM

Wow, there were 3 as well. I'd managed to miss manho's flip, somehow. This game's just too large for me to really

do

anything with the flips. (I think I'm on record as saying I don't like larges.)

Meanwhile, you pushed wagons on two scum (and you seem to have been suspiciously sure of yourself), and have completely been avoiding talking about NS or his flip. Does this mean anything? If not, why does it mean anything with me? You seem to care about lynching me more than you care about reasoning. (Are you third party?)

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• callforjudgement (2)
  : Amrun petapan
  
• kondi2424 (2)
  : DeltaWave redFF
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : callforjudgement
  
• dramonic (1)
  : funkybike1
  
• funkybike1 (1)
  : Trevor
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Hoopla Jackal711 Mastermind of Sin MattP kondi2424 Nobody Special PeregrineV SleepyKrew SpyreX Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown TeChNoWC theamatuer TheTrollie UberNinja YYR Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 33 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

I'm trying to find a viable reason for Amrun to push on me so hard with so little reasoning.

[callforjudgement]

I'm sorry, that was rude. I"m in a bad mood. :( I apologize.

But basically everything in your post is wrong.

You posted during ALL THREE lynch wagons and NEVER VOTED ANY OF THEM, and more than that, NEVER even commented on their wagons despite posting vote counts. Plus you keep posting terribly scummy things like post 2724.

I talked about NS and his flip quite a lot today; I didn't talk about it yesterday because I was not around at all and did not post during that time period. Like have you read anything of this game ever.

I have posted quite a lot of reasoning for cfj scum. You're not even remotely paying attention but are pretending to do so. That's more.

I voted for NS, and even got quite some flak for doing so. (And I tried to find mentions of him post-wagon by searching your ISO, and didn't; it seems you decided to spontaneously change abbreviation.)

And I don't have a lot of time on my hands. (Vote counting is a very quick thing to do if you keep it up to date.)

[callforjudgement]

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Vote Count

• callforjudgement (3)
  : Amrun petapan UberNinja
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : callforjudgement
  
• dramonic (1)
  : funkybike1
  
• funkybike1 (1)
  : Trevor
  
• kondi2424 (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Hoopla DeltaWave Jackal711 Mastermind of Sin kondi2424 PeregrineV SleepyKrew SpyreX Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown TeChNoWC theamatuer TheTrollie YYR Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 31 alive it is 10 to lynch.

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See, like that, I just counted since I wrote my last post. That was, what, a few seconds?

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(Err, and should have previewed…)

If you look for votes in posts as you read them, it really doesn't take long to count at all; when I read a post, I update the vote count (which is a few seconds), then it's just a case of pasting it into the thread. Part of the reason I volunteered to do this was for practice in counting quickly.

@UberNinja: I voted NS entirely on the basis that it would test MattP's results. Does that count as "not throwing doubt" to you?

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• callforjudgement (5)
  : Amrun petapan UberNinja Jackal711 Zajnet
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : callforjudgement
  
• dramonic (1)
  : funkybike1
  
• funkybike1 (1)
  : Trevor
  
• kondi2424 (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Hoopla DeltaWave Mastermind of Sin kondi2424 PeregrineV SleepyKrew SpyreX Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown TeChNoWC theamatuer TheTrollie YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 31 alive it is 16 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Err, 10 to lynch, obviously.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• Mastermind of Sin (5)
  : BBmolla syndromeofadown TeChNoWC kondi2424 petapan
  
• funkybike1 (2)
  : Trevor Zajnet
  
• SpyreX (2)
  : redFF UberNinja
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : DeltaWave
  
• dramonic (1)
  : funkybike1
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• Not voting:
  Amrun Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Jackal711 Mastermind of Sin PeregrineV SleepyKrew SpyreX Staeg sykedoc TheTrollie YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 29 alive it is 10 to lynch.

mykonian, I think you missed DeltaWave's vote.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• dramonic (4)
  : funkybike1 kondi2424 PeregrineV TeChNoWC
  
• Mastermind of Sin (3)
  : BBmolla syndromeofadown petapan
  
• funkybike1 (2)
  : Trevor Zajnet
  
• SpyreX (2)
  : redFF UberNinja
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• zoraster (1)
  : DeltaWave
  
• Not voting:
  Amrun Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Jackal711 Mastermind of Sin SleepyKrew SpyreX Staeg sykedoc TheTrollie YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 29 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• dramonic (9)
  : funkybike1 kondi2424 PeregrineV TeChNoWC Jackal711 Amrun Chronopie SpyreX petapan
  
• funkybike1 (2)
  : Trevor Zajnet
  
• SpyreX (2)
  : redFF UberNinja
  
• Chronopie (1)
  : BBmolla
  
• Mastermind of Sin (1)
  : syndromeofadown
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• zoraster (1)
  : DeltaWave
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Mastermind of Sin SleepyKrew Staeg sykedoc TheTrollie YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 29 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• sykedoc (5)
  : theamatuer kondi2424 TeChNoWC Jackal711 BBmolla
  
• funkybike1 (2)
  : Trevor Zajnet
  
• Mastermind of Sin (1)
  : petapan
  
• petapan (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : DeltaWave
  
• Not voting:
  Amrun Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Mastermind of Sin redFF SleepyKrew SpyreX Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown TheTrollie UberNinja YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 29 alive it is 10 to lynch.

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Vote Count

• sykedoc (5)
  : theamatuer kondi2424 TeChNoWC Jackal711 BBmolla
  
• funkybike1 (2)
  : Trevor Zajnet
  
• YYR (2)
  : petapan redFF
  
• petapan (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : DeltaWave
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Mastermind of Sin SleepyKrew SpyreX Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown TheTrollie UberNinja YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 28 alive it is 10 to lynch.

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Vote Count

• sykedoc (8)
  : theamatuer kondi2424 TeChNoWC Jackal711 BBmolla Staeg Zajnet YYR
  
• YYR (3)
  : petapan redFF Trevor
  
• petapan (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : DeltaWave
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Mastermind of Sin SleepyKrew SpyreX sykedoc syndromeofadown TheTrollie UberNinja Zdenek zoraster

With 28 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• sykedoc (8)
  : theamatuer kondi2424 TeChNoWC Jackal711 BBmolla Staeg Zajnet YYR
  
• YYR (4)
  : petapan redFF Trevor syndromeofadown
  
• petapan (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• SleepyKrew (1)
  : TheTrollie
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : DeltaWave
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Mastermind of Sin SleepyKrew SpyreX sykedoc UberNinja Zdenek zoraster

With 28 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• YYR (3)
  : redFF Trevor syndromeofadown
  
• petapan (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• SleepyKrew (1)
  : TheTrollie
  
• SpyreX (1)
  : UberNinja
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : DeltaWave
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Jackal711 Mastermind of Sin kondi2424 petapan SleepyKrew SpyreX Staeg TeChNoWC theamatuer YYR Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 27 alive it is 10 to lynch.

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Vote Count

• YYR (6)
  : redFF Trevor syndromeofadown petapan SpyreX PeregrineV
  
• SleepyKrew (1)
  : TheTrollie
  
• SpyreX (1)
  : UberNinja
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : DeltaWave
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Jackal711 Mastermind of Sin kondi2424 SleepyKrew Staeg TeChNoWC theamatuer YYR Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 27 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• BBmolla (1)
  : funkybike1
  
• SleepyKrew (1)
  : TheTrollie
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN DeltaWave Jackal711 Mastermind of Sin kondi2424 petapan redFF SleepyKrew SpyreX Staeg syndromeofadown TeChNoWC theamatuer Trevor YYR Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 25 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• BBmolla (4)
  : funkybike1 redFF DeltaWave Zajnet
  
• funkybike1 (4)
  : petapan SpyreX BBmolla Jackal711
  
• SleepyKrew (2)
  : TheTrollie Trevor
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Mastermind of Sin kondi2424 SleepyKrew Staeg syndromeofadown TeChNoWC theamatuer YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 25 alive it is 13 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• Zdenek (5)
  : petapan SpyreX Jackal711 syndromeofadown theamatuer
  
• BBmolla (4)
  : funkybike1 redFF DeltaWave Zajnet
  
• funkybike1 (3)
  : BBmolla TeChNoWC Trevor
  
• SleepyKrew (2)
  : TheTrollie Staeg
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Mastermind of Sin kondi2424 SleepyKrew YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 25 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• Zdenek (5)
  : petapan SpyreX Jackal711 syndromeofadown theamatuer
  
• BBmolla (4)
  : funkybike1 redFF DeltaWave Zajnet
  
• funkybike1 (4)
  : BBmolla Chronopie TeChNoWC Trevor
  
• SleepyKrew (2)
  : TheTrollie Staeg
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Mastermind of Sin kondi2424 SleepyKrew YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 25 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• Zdenek (8)
  : petapan SpyreX Jackal711 syndromeofadown theamatuer kondi2424 Trevor funkybike1
  
• funkybike1 (4)
  : BBmolla Chronopie TeChNoWC DeltaWave
  
• BBmolla (2)
  : redFF Zajnet
  
• SleepyKrew (2)
  : TheTrollie Staeg
  
• Not voting:
  Chevre dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Mastermind of Sin SleepyKrew YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 25 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• funkybike1 (1)
  : Zajnet
  
• kondi2424 (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Shadowlurker Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 DeltaWave Jackal711 Mastermind of Sin kondi2424 petapan SleepyKrew SpyreX Staeg syndromeofadown TeChNoWC theamatuer TheTrollie Trevor YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 25 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• funkybike1 (5)
  : Zajnet kondi2424 Jackal711 TeChNoWC syndromeofadown
  
• Mastermind of Sin (3)
  : petapan theamatuer Staeg
  
• DeltaWave (1)
  : SpyreX
  
• kondi2424 (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Shadowlurker Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 DeltaWave Mastermind of Sin SleepyKrew TheTrollie Trevor YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 25 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• funkybike1 (5)
  : Zajnet Jackal711 TeChNoWC syndromeofadown Trevor
  
• DeltaWave (4)
  : SpyreX kondi2424 petapan Staeg
  
• Mastermind of Sin (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• kondi2424 (1)
  : redFF
  
• Trevor (1)
  : DeltaWave
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Shadowlurker Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Mastermind of Sin SleepyKrew TheTrollie YYR Zdenek zoraster

With 25 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• DeltaWave (9)
  : SpyreX kondi2424 Staeg TeChNoWC TheTrollie Trevor syndromeofadown petapan Jackal711
  
• Mastermind of Sin (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• kondi2424 (1)
  : redFF
  
• SleepyKrew (1)
  : Zajnet
  
• Staeg (1)
  : DeltaWave
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Mastermind of Sin SleepyKrew YYR zoraster

With 23 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• Mastermind of Sin (7)
  : theamatuer petapan SpyreX kondi2424 TeChNoWC Jackal711 funkybike1
  
• DeltaWave (4)
  : Staeg Trevor syndromeofadown redFF
  
• Jackal711 (1)
  : DeltaWave
  
• SleepyKrew (1)
  : Zajnet
  
• Staeg (1)
  : TheTrollie
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Mastermind of Sin SleepyKrew YYR zoraster

With 23 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• zoraster (6)
  : petapan Jackal711 SpyreX DeltaWave TeChNoWC theamatuer
  
• Mastermind of Sin (4)
  : kondi2424 funkybike1 Staeg BBmolla
  
• DeltaWave (3)
  : Trevor syndromeofadown redFF
  
• funkybike1 (1)
  : Zajnet
  
• Staeg (1)
  : TheTrollie
  
• Not voting:
  Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Mastermind of Sin SleepyKrew YYR zoraster

With 23 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• zoraster (8)
  : petapan Jackal711 SpyreX DeltaWave TeChNoWC theamatuer Staeg redFF
  
• Ellibereth (3)
  : syndromeofadown funkybike1 BBmolla
  
• funkybike1 (1)
  : Zajnet
  
• DeltaWave (1)
  : Trevor
  
• Mastermind of Sin (1)
  : kondi2424
  
• Staeg (1)
  : TheTrollie
  
• Not voting:
  Chronopie dramonic Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN Mastermind of Sin SleepyKrew YYR zoraster

With 23 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• TeChNoWC (2)
  : DeltaWave theamatuer
  
• theamatuer (1)
  : petapan
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Jackal711 Mastermind of Sin redFF Timeater SpyreX Staeg syndromeofadown TeChNoWC TheTrollie Zajnet

With 18 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• TeChNoWC (6)
  : DeltaWave theamatuer Staeg Timeater Mastermind of Sin funkybike1
  
• funkybike1 (3)
  : Jackal711 syndromeofadown TeChNoWC
  
• theamatuer (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN petapan SpyreX TheTrollie Zajnet

With 18 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• TeChNoWC (6)
  : DeltaWave theamatuer Staeg Timeater Mastermind of Sin funkybike1
  
• funkybike1 (3)
  : Jackal711 syndromeofadown TeChNoWC
  
• theamatuer (1)
  : redFF
  
• Zajnet (1)
  : petapan
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN SpyreX TheTrollie Zajnet

With 18 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• TeChNoWC (6)
  : DeltaWave theamatuer Staeg Timeater Mastermind of Sin funkybike1
  
• funkybike1 (3)
  : Jackal711 syndromeofadown TeChNoWC
  
• theamatuer (1)
  : redFF
  
• Zajnet (1)
  : petapan
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN SpyreX TheTrollie Zajnet

With 18 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• TeChNoWC (5)
  : DeltaWave theamatuer Timeater Mastermind of Sin funkybike1
  
• funkybike1 (3)
  : Jackal711 syndromeofadown TeChNoWC
  
• theamatuer (1)
  : redFF
  
• Zajnet (1)
  : petapan
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN SpyreX Staeg TheTrollie Zajnet

With 18 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• funkybike1 (6)
  : Jackal711 syndromeofadown TeChNoWC Zajnet Staeg SpyreX
  
• TeChNoWC (5)
  : DeltaWave theamatuer Timeater Mastermind of Sin funkybike1
  
• theamatuer (1)
  : redFF
  
• Zajnet (1)
  : petapan
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN TheTrollie

With 18 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• funkybike1 (7)
  : Jackal711 syndromeofadown TeChNoWC Zajnet Staeg SpyreX BBmolla
  
• TeChNoWC (5)
  : DeltaWave theamatuer Timeater Mastermind of Sin funkybike1
  
• theamatuer (1)
  : redFF
  
• Zajnet (1)
  : petapan
  
• Not voting:
  Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN TheTrollie

With 18 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• funkybike1 (8)
  : Jackal711 syndromeofadown TeChNoWC Zajnet Staeg SpyreX BBmolla Chronopie
  
• TeChNoWC (5)
  : DeltaWave theamatuer Timeater Mastermind of Sin funkybike1
  
• theamatuer (1)
  : redFF
  
• Zajnet (1)
  : petapan
  
• Not voting:
  Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN TheTrollie

With 18 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• funkybike1 (7)
  : Jackal711 syndromeofadown TeChNoWC Zajnet SpyreX BBmolla Chronopie
  
• TeChNoWC (4)
  : theamatuer Timeater Mastermind of Sin funkybike1
  
• TheTrollie (3)
  : DeltaWave redFF Staeg
  
• Zajnet (1)
  : petapan
  
• Not voting:
  Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN TheTrollie

With 18 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• TheTrollie (9)
  : DeltaWave redFF Staeg theamatuer Zajnet Mastermind of Sin Jackal711 SpyreX Timeater
  
• funkybike1 (4)
  : syndromeofadown TeChNoWC BBmolla Chronopie
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : funkybike1
  
• Zajnet (1)
  : petapan
  
• Not voting:
  Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN TheTrollie

With 18 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• theamatuer (6)
  : redFF Jackal711 petapan BBmolla TeChNoWC SpyreX
  
• BBmolla (1)
  : Timeater
  
• petapan (1)
  : Mastermind of Sin
  
• Zajnet (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• Not voting:
  Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 DeltaWave Staeg syndromeofadown Zajnet

With 17 alive it is 9 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• theamatuer (8)
  : redFF Jackal711 petapan BBmolla TeChNoWC SpyreX Timeater Staeg
  
• petapan (1)
  : Mastermind of Sin
  
• Zajnet (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• Not voting:
  Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 DeltaWave syndromeofadown Zajnet

With 17 alive it is 9 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• theamatuer (7)
  : redFF Jackal711 petapan BBmolla SpyreX Timeater Staeg
  
• funkybike1 (1)
  : TeChNoWC
  
• petapan (1)
  : Mastermind of Sin
  
• Zajnet (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• Not voting:
  Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 DeltaWave syndromeofadown Zajnet

With 17 alive it is 9 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• theamatuer (9)
  : redFF Jackal711 petapan BBmolla SpyreX Staeg syndromeofadown TeChNoWC Mastermind of Sin
  
• TeChNoWC (1)
  : Timeater
  
• Zajnet (1)
  : theamatuer
  
• Not voting:
  Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 DeltaWave Zajnet

With 17 alive it is 9 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• syndromeofadown (3)
  : petapan Staeg Jackal711
  
• theamatuer (1)
  : Timeater
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Mastermind of Sin redFF SpyreX syndromeofadown TeChNoWC theamatuer Zajnet

With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• syndromeofadown (3)
  : petapan Staeg Jackal711
  
• Ellibereth (1)
  : Zajnet
  
• theamatuer (1)
  : Timeater
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Chronopie Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Mastermind of Sin redFF SpyreX syndromeofadown TeChNoWC theamatuer

With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• Ellibereth (3)
  : Zajnet BBmolla syndromeofadown
  
• SpyreX (3)
  : Timeater Elmo TeH AzN Jackal711
  
• syndromeofadown (2)
  : petapan Staeg
  
• Not voting:
  Chronopie Ellibereth funkybike1 Mastermind of Sin SpyreX theamatuer

With 14 alive it is 8 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• syndromeofadown (4)
  : petapan Staeg theamatuer SpyreX
  
• Ellibereth (3)
  : Zajnet BBmolla syndromeofadown
  
• SpyreX (3)
  : Timeater Elmo TeH AzN Jackal711
  
• Not voting:
  Chronopie Ellibereth funkybike1 Mastermind of Sin

With 14 alive it is 8 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• syndromeofadown (4)
  : petapan Staeg theamatuer SpyreX
  
• SpyreX (3)
  : Elmo TeH AzN Jackal711 syndromeofadown
  
• Ellibereth (2)
  : Zajnet BBmolla
  
• Feirei (1)
  : Timeater
  
• Not voting:
  Feirei Ellibereth funkybike1 Mastermind of Sin

With 14 alive it is 8 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• SpyreX (4)
  : Elmo TeH AzN Jackal711 syndromeofadown Timeater
  
• syndromeofadown (4)
  : petapan Staeg theamatuer SpyreX
  
• Ellibereth (3)
  : Zajnet BBmolla funkybike1
  
• Not voting:
  Feirei Ellibereth Mastermind of Sin

With 14 alive it is 8 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• SpyreX (6)
  : Elmo TeH AzN Jackal711 syndromeofadown Timeater BBmolla Feirei
  
• syndromeofadown (4)
  : petapan Staeg theamatuer SpyreX
  
• Ellibereth (2)
  : Zajnet funkybike1
  
• Not voting:
  Ellibereth Mastermind of Sin

With 14 alive it is 8 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• syndromeofadown (5)
  : Staeg Feirei Timeater syndromeofadown theamatuer
  
• Not voting:
  BBmolla Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Jackal711 petapan Zajnet

With 12 alive it is 7 to lynch.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• syndromeofadown (7)
  : Staeg Feirei Timeater syndromeofadown theamatuer petapan BBmolla
  
• Not voting:
  Ellibereth Elmo TeH AzN funkybike1 Jackal711 Zajnet

With 12 alive it is 7 to lynch.

Oh, I can talk again? Good game, everyone.

I think the setup for this was probably townsided, but I think it would have been hard to determine that before it started; something like this has never been done before. The mimes had basically no chance (sorry mimes), given the angels; they'd have been in trouble even if the scum NK was the only way of preventing them winning (although at least they could have played mindgames with the scum to see when they blinked). The main issue for the scum is that the scum NK is famously a really powerful weapon in mountainous; with multi-lynch days, we didn't get much chance to use it, and with a scumteam so large, blending in in the day phases is really awkward. (When the game got down to 20, scum started to get the advantage, which is why it took so long to get the last few, but we'd effectively already lost by then.)

Or to think about it another way: there were 7 members of the groupscum team, 6 mimes, that leaves 37 townies. They get lynches in the pattern 5, 4, 3, 3, 2, 2, 2, and then 1s from there. So that's 14 more lynches than nightkills. Having 37-7 = 30 more townies than scum normally gives 15 mislynches; every two lynches in excess of NKs gives another mislynch, so town had 22 mislynches this game (a couple were wasted on mimes, but still…). That's a

lot

. It basically means scum can't do anything at all to stand out; you can lynch anyone who does anything unusual with that many mislynches and still have enough left over to win. (Note that this means that scum were basically impotent to control the direction of the game early; any voting block or FoSing block could be easily and trivially broken up with minimal risk to the town, so we couldn't do much but let things take their course; of course, that was suspicious in its own rights, but there is zero risk to a townie in standing out because they're all vanilla and their lives are pretty much irrelevant, whereas scum really need to preserve themselves.) I think mykonian recognised this and that was what the mimes were for, but the mime faction was too weak to make a difference in this case.

If the setup had been one majority lynch one kill, like normal, it'd have been much closer to balanced; probably somewhat scumsided. (It'd also have been no fun to play.)

I'd have expected a setup this large to contain more power roles, and probably multiple scumteams, and a few vigilantes (probably dayvigs). It'd have been a more reasonable way to cut through the numbers, IMO. I know Hoopla was pretty distressed about that; our scumteam were pretty confused upon discovering we were all vanilla, too. (We should have realised earlier than we did that it implied the game was mountainous.)

Btw, I was lynched while offline, but if I'd been here, I was planning to claim lyncher. There's pretty much nothing a scumbag can do to save their life in this setup; there are no power roles but angel, and with the angels being able to talk to each other, this also implies they all know each other's identities, so that can't safely be claimed either (and the proper reaction to an angel claim at L-1 is to give their buddies time to redirect the kill and then lynch them). It was already clear to me at that point that all power roles were day actions, although not that angels were the only power roles that existed (the way mykonian was pressuring us to decide night actions in advance in the scum QT was evidence enough of that). But what could I claim? Dayvig is too confirmable, daycop too impossible to believe (especially given mykonian's modmeta), day doctor makes no sense. (Day tracker

does

make sense – see WiH – but I didn't think of it in time.) Note that this isn't particularly a flaw in the setup, but it

does

have to be factored in when balancing.

Fwiw, I probably wouldn't have risked making votecounts as scum if I hadn't promised in advance; standing out in this setup in any way at all as scum is too risky. (I'd have been fine doing it as town.)

Oh, and kondi: so far, I've townslipped in well over half my games as scum, presumably because I'm quite good at thinking in hypotheticals. Less likely to do it as town, strangely enough…

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Btw, I apologise to my scumteam; I think I was partly responsible for the collapse of the whole team, not just my own lynch. (This is a basic problem with large scumteams; I've seen a six-man scumteam offsite where the scum lynched D1 basically gave away their whole team, but luckily in a subtle enough way that every townie missed it.)

Mimes could have potentially been balanced by expanding the team slightly and giving them one mislynch, i.e. they could survive one NK before losing as a faction. As it was, they had a similar fragility problem to the scum, but worse; a single mime screwing up (like actually happened) leads to an instant angel kill, = instant game over. The larger the team, the more likely that is to happen.

Oh, btw, is this the first town win in a mountainous ever? ;)

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That reminds me, the spaces in the "not voting" list are probably a bit problematic because of multiple-word names. (It's fine in the main votes because the underline on links shows where one name ends and the next one starts.)

@Zajnet: I know it's not technically mountainous, I was making a joke, and also a bit of an observation.

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Title Fairy thread, I guess (in Site Ideas). Oman will probably get annoyed if a whole load of players from this game go and spam it up, though; it's basically like a queue, just not for games.

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I made quite a few people's obvtown lists, but just as quickly fell off it again.

I rarely have trouble looking town early game, but I can't always keep it up, sadly for my win rate. (And I'm most likely to fail to keep it up if I don't have a good handle on the gamestate, which is more likely to happen in larger games.)