The game of the year: town won!
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Also, I agree with Hoopla; regardless of what plans might or might not work, with this many players there's no chance of getting the town to follow them, so we may as well let everyone do their own thing day 1. Then when there are fewer players, we can look back on what happened and maybe draw some conclusions from it.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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There are links to each of the individual votes, so that you/mykonian can confirm for yourselves.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Oh, and to avoid errors propagating, I'm doing all my own vote counting ignoring other people's counts, so that if other people make a mistake I don't copy them. (Likewise, you shouldn't copy me in case I make mistakes, although I have measures in place to try to avoid them.)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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EBWOP again: MYKONIAN YOU SPELT MY NAME WRONG ON THE OP AND IT WAS THE ONLY ONE I DIDN'T CHECK
PEDIT: BBmolla: Not part of my role, it's basically a bet made in the signup thread, that if the game actually filled I'd try to keep accurate vote counts. And I want to keep my word wrt that.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 348, YYR wrote:Call, stop using blue color. It confuses me (plus it's against the rules). Red policy lynch needs more votes.
The mod specifically requested that player-made votecounts should be in mod color.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 350, MattP wrote:Johhog is now guaranteed mime. Vig him tonight. GG mime.
Why are you focusing on third parties rather than traditional scum?scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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This is a bad vote justification. I know I'm voting redFF, but you're just lynching someone to move onto the next lynch?scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 437, Kairyuu wrote:Well now. Saw I had a role pm and decided to go give the thread a read. 18 pages since this morning.
nope.avi
Who should I be voting and why? The why is key.
Anyone who looks even slightly scummy to you, or anyone you think is a good policy lynch. I've been putting out a case on BBmolla in the last few minutes, but that doesn't mean you have to agree with what I say! We nee a bunch of opinions.
In post 441, BBmolla wrote:In post 394, Muffin Wednesday wrote:I'm going to be a part of the redFF policy lynch. VOTE: redFF
Uh Hoopla...
In post 10, Hoopla wrote:Alright, lets use the first two lynches to policy lynch. I'll switch to chesskid if we get redFF afterwards.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: chesskid
Awkward
Lynching scum > policy-lynching people who will be useless whatever their alignments. No particular reason Hoopla should keep her promises if a better lynch comes along. (redFF is still a good policy lynch, btw, but he'd be purely a policy lynch.)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Re the izak wagon: you're wagoning him for his meta. This doesn't mean that he isn't scum; it just means that what he's done so far isn't a scumtell for him, it's null. (I seem to remember him doing something incredibly rash on day 1 of an election-based game before even reading the role PM; I can't remember the exact name.) Arguably this means he makes a good policy lynch, but we have other more policy-lynchable people around, also actual scum.
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Kairyuu wrote:@callforjudgement: Goodposting, but I made it pretty clear I've no intention of reading what I missed. Definitely not now, possibly not later unless it becomes relevant. You're the first one to respond to me, so you get a direct question. How likely is it that IceGuy is a mime? I saw chesskid's flip, iso-ed the mod, and now I'd very much like this information.
The main basis is that he made two rather obvious scumslips (sufficiently obvious that they look deliberate). The argument is that he made them hoping to get a lynch on him quickly before people thought about it too much.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 470, Kairyuu wrote:@callforjudgement: In my opinion that's pretty much optimal jester play. Methinks he's got an above-average chance. Next question, who do you think will be lynched next? Not who you want to be lynched next, but who looks like the most likely lynch at this time. This question is very important.
I think izak will be; the wagon is large and growing, and there's no sign of people on the wagon planning to leave it.
(On another subject, re chesskid policy lynches: I rather like him, but I can see why other people wouldn't.)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 469, Muffin Wednesday wrote:On the Vig shooting argument: I remember hearing someone saying something about a Mafia Doctor?
In that case, I think the Vig(s) should either shoot BBmolla OR IceGuy.
In post 476, Muffin Wednesday wrote:Fine, add Johhog into the pool. IceGuy, BBmolla, or Johhog.
It's probably best not to try to form vig pools in situations where you have multiple vigs and expect them all to be town, or acting as town. (If a killing role isn't acting as town, then they aren't a vig.) I've been thinking about directing from pools, and decided that it's only a good idea either as part of a breaking strategy, or when you suspect some of the people you're directing are fakeclaiming scum and want to have a reasonable chance of overlapping targets.
In this case, overlapping vig targets are bad; we want as many town-directed kills overnight as possible, rather than kills on just the obvious targets. This means that although vigs should feel free to aim for obvious targets, they should also feel free to spread their shots around if they have a hunch; we'll have more dead scum on average that way, and also more dead townies who would have wasted mislynches. (If someone's going to be lynched anyway and you vig them, and the lynch that would have been used on them instead hits scum, that's just as good.)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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"2) Lynches go by majority as normal, but the maximum amount of players needed for a lynch is 10. So, the first day you need only 10 to lynch, from 19 players on this becomes normal as well." It's 10 to lynch (a majority of 48, capped at 10), and will remain that until we get down to 17 players.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 489, Muffin Wednesday wrote:But it's WIFOM, Hoopla. If he knew this, he could claim VT in hopes of it being a stupid scum move and coast.
Not sure he'd think of it, but still.
@T-Bone: I disagree with Rhinox, syndrome, Chevre, and NS.
PEdit: TML was lynched at 9.
The thing about scumteams being able to talk to each other (especially if they have daytalk, but possibly even if they don't, if they had time to talk pregame) is that redFF doesn't need to have thought of it himself; one of his buddies might have suggested it. (I know that when I was scum in Mafia with the Kitties, I was pretty freely suggesting claims that would likely keep them alive to my buddies.)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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We can't know without the mod turning up (and it's 10 to lynch; I keep typoing as 24, the number it would be in a normal game). He received enough votes to lynch him, but Kairyuu (who is not the mod) has claimed that the lynch failed. (I agree that izak's reaction is town, btw; if he's been paying attention it's an easily fakable one, but JOAT is not a massively good scum fakeclaim in his situation anyway.)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Meanwhile, Chevre, the difference between Kairyuu's vote on izak and BBmolla's vote on redFF is that Kairyuu apparently had role-related reasons to expect his hammer not to result in a lynch, but there's nothing of the sort going on with BBmolla.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 599, redFF wrote:More YYR votes. If we're gonna vote VIs, we might as well vote scummy VIs.
I haven't heard that YYR is a VI. Do you have links/anecdotes?scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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CHESSKID is mostly just a series of unexplained one-liners. He often does actually seem to put a lot of thought into the game and there's passive scumhunting going on inside his head (when he's town), but it's kind-of hard to figure out his thought processes from his posts, making him awkward to read, and there's not the sort of questioning style of scumhunting that, say, I typically use (although not in games this large until they've settled down a bit).scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 646, TeChNoWC wrote:Wondering what kind of ability would stop the third lynch though. I haven't witnessed anything like that before (kill instead of lynch ??) And because it was so specific (who attempts to kill someone who is about to be lynched) I could see the only benefit someone would get out of it is if they anticipated the lynchee was in fact a mime, and realised there would be such a big backlash as there was.
Kairyuu has claimed some sort of modified governor who gets a daykill if they stop a lynch; he stopped the lynch on izak (who was a mime), and killed adifferentmime with the daykill, causing all the mimes (including izak) to leave the game.
What happened with the red lynch?
A bunch of us decided he was town, either out of dislike of the wagon, or because he claimed VT and people thought that was a towntell from him. I think there's widespread agreement that he's town, but not agreement on why he's town.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 649, TeChNoWC wrote:In post 648, callforjudgement wrote:UNVOTE: VOTE: Moneybags
Thanks Techno for drawing that to my attention. He's done nothing but push Milk for no obvious reason and buddy BBmolla, and I can't figure out the town motivation behind that.
Don't thank me, it was imaginalities scumhunting skills that drew my attention to it.
Though check out milk, this guy he is after. I swear they seem as scummy as each other, tell me what you think. Bussing maybe?
Milk doesn't seem to be putting much effort in, but isn't nearly as scummy as some of the other people who've been wagoned. He's just being lazy, AFAICT. (And trollhammering chesskid, which I imagine quite a few people on this site have wanted to do for a while.)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 661, T-Bone wrote:That was a nice call Kairyuu.
This Moneybags lynch is a good call. But are we now going to start policy lynching lurkers with our remaining lynches?
The BBmolla wagon keeps rising and dying, for those of you in support of that...why?
The short answer on BBmolla is "look at his ISO", but that's a useless cliche.
Here's the evidence I went on to vote him, and to leave my vote on him a while longer:
In post 415, callforjudgement wrote:
This is a bad vote justification. I know I'm voting redFF, but you're just lynching someone to move onto the next lynch?
In post 427, callforjudgement wrote:@BBmolla: "This lynch is derp let's do it anyway so people stop doing it." wtf?
I'm not sure it's massively strong, but it's good enough for day 1.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 674, Fritzler wrote:T-Bone, I would like to create a coalition of the willing with you to lynch the other 2-3 lynches we have (I don't know if the Izak lynch counts). Who do you think we should let in our coalition and why? We need 8 other members.
Is Mastermind of Sin in this game? He hasn't posted. If he had, I would nominate him to be part of the town death squad.
He is in this game, and hasn't posted. I don't see how you can tell one non-poster from another alignment-wise, though, because there's nothing to go on (except potential role info, which shouldn't be outedthisearly). No matter how good a player is, they can't magically skew the mod to make them town.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 708, Hoopla wrote:I'm starting a rival temporary coalition dedicated to the destruction of all other coalitions. Upon achievement of goal, we will promptly disband.
Accepting signups (1/10):
Hoopla
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Oh, huh, apparently the multiquote button causes the quotes to be placed at the top of your posts. Treat that as a QFT, because seriously.
Meanwhile, what's the case for UberNinja-town? I've seen him as town before (reading a game, I wasn't in the game myself), and he wasn't playing nearly this badly. I'd be willing to vote him, but some people I trust this game are saying he's town, so I'd like to hear the other side of the story.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Meh.
UberNinja isn't putting any effort in, or trying to scumhunt, or anything like that. And I've seen him do that before in other games. If he's town, he's useless, and the only reason I didn't do this earlier was people telling me he was town.
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Missed it. There are still a lot of fluff posts (and things like calling me town which are reasonably uninteresting), but there are a couple of useful posts in the ISO recently. (Should have re-checked the ISO; this game is moving too fast.)
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In post 882, UberNinja wrote:<3 imaginality and hoopla, glad somebody gets it.
a few questions before I begin:
1. why are both t-bone and fritzler omgus voting me? fritzler has admitted as much, but t-bone is trying to pretend to be town. ugh
2. what exactly do you expect me to contribute at this point? solid reads? anything other than slaphappy humor/semi-trolling? and why?
3. what do all of the lynches so far have in common? they were popular? they were because of scumminess? what's the link between?
i'll be back in a while with some thoughts. in the mean time, i would lynch t-bone in a heartbeat
but i think fritzler needs more pressure before anyone is lynched
In post 886, UberNinja wrote:In post 369, BBmolla wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Izak
Yup
@Milk:Your reads don't make sense to me, but the reads you have are on nonactive people allowing you to give many reads while hiding in the back. Obviously guessing SK is a bit silly, but to me it doesn't seem like you're part of a groupscum.
Don't know how to explain, doesn't really matter at the moment, just keep talking and stuff.
In post 372, BBmolla wrote:Peta is town btw
It's also possible Milk is town with ludicrous reads.
Luffy: UN is possible buddying-me scum, but Izak is more obvious atm. And I don't believe Izak is mime.
In post 384, BBmolla wrote:In post 381, Luffy wrote:In post 371, YYR wrote:Is petapan a redFF alt?
Haaha lol this made me laugh :P
Yea. Just wanted to point that out. Nothing to say in this second. Maybe in a second or two I will :P
Red and Izak, thoughts on both.
In post 408, BBmolla wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: red
Just do this so we can move on
@Hoopla:Fair enough.
@Muffin:Fair enough, it's just bait for scum, but as long as you agree Izak is scum and Red is just policy we good.
@SpyreX:I actually think Milk is either SK or Town, which is strange, but I don't really want them dead atm. Their reads shouldn't cause any issues with getting the correct lynches atm.
Matt is town yeah.
In post 423, BBmolla wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Izak
That was bullshit by the way.
"HEY EVERYONE JOIN THIS RED WAGON"
"For fucks sake, Izak is scum just finish Red off so we can stop derping."
"OMG BB IS SCUM EVERYONE OFF RED IS TOWN"
The fuck guys.
In post 432, BBmolla wrote:This is why Izak is scummy folks, because he actually believes the Red lynch is anything but policy.
Are you guys ignoring everything I say?(Inb4 "yes")
you certainly say IZAK IS SCUM often enough, but you're a little slim on the WHY HE'S SCUM aspect
is there really no other reason than the one in 432 why he should be lynched?
In post 888, UberNinja wrote:In post 466, BBmolla wrote:In post 462, callforjudgement wrote:Re the izak wagon: you're wagoning him for his meta. This doesn't mean that he isn't scum; it just means that what he's done so far isn't a scumtell for him, it's null. (I seem to remember him doing something incredibly rash on day 1 of an election-based game before even reading the role PM; I can't remember the exact name.) Arguably this means he makes a good policy lynch, but we have other more policy-lynchable people around, also actual scum.
...I've made it very clear why I think he's scum.
No, you'd made it very clear THAT you think he's scum, you had said virtually nothing about the WHY part
In post 891, UberNinja wrote:
In post 372, BBmolla wrote:Peta is town btw
It's also possible Milk is town with ludicrous reads.
Luffy: UN is possible buddying-me scum, but Izak is more obvious atm. And I don't believe Izak is mime.
In post 433, BBmolla wrote:In post 425, Luffy wrote:It's one of izak or BBmolla today. Not both. Decide people.
Though UberNinja should be before them both.
Why not both of us?
Agreed on UN, he should probably die soon.
In post 451, BBmolla wrote:T-Bone vote Izak, UN is next.
Hoopla I jumped on earlier, then jumped off for Izak, noted how Red wagon was getting in the way so tried to finish it so it'd stop wasting time, then jumped back to Izak.
Town wagon = He's scum or that is composed of town people?
In post 721, BBmolla wrote:UN stop being scum
Could you at least pretend to try to be town
Mimes are dead you don't have any excuse any more
In post 785, BBmolla wrote:In post 727, Amrun wrote:Wait, wait.
Okay, coalitions are dumb. Let's disband them.
Hoopla, I want to join your coalition to disband coalitions.
UberNinja is probably not scum.
p-edit: Also getting town vibes off of BBmolla.
In post 730, Amrun wrote:I'm a day cop.
I have a scumread on UN as I've stated, I'm just waiting to see if this is a legit claim or just a joke.
P-Edit: Stop being me damnit.
In post 790, BBmolla wrote:T-Bone are you policy lynching UN or do you think he's scum
In post 800, BBmolla wrote:UN do you have any reads at all
In post 812, BBmolla wrote:I hate you UN.
Here you are again, doing that shit with the PLAYER X IS SCUM but nothing of the WHY
Coming from you, who had THIS read on redFF, that seems a little hypocritical don't you think? hmmmm?
In post 432, BBmolla wrote:Izak is scummy [...] because he actually believes the Red lynch is anything but policy.
If you're saying MY lynch is anything but policy (lynch anti-town people who are having fun at others' expense)...
...then what does that make you? :cool:
In post 892, UberNinja wrote:callforjudgement is probtown.
at first i thought he might be scum trying to get brownie points by helping with vote counts, but this post sealed it for me:
In post 484, callforjudgement wrote:In post 469, Muffin Wednesday wrote:On the Vig shooting argument: I remember hearing someone saying something about a Mafia Doctor?
In that case, I think the Vig(s) should either shoot BBmolla OR IceGuy.
In post 476, Muffin Wednesday wrote:Fine, add Johhog into the pool. IceGuy, BBmolla, or Johhog.
It's probably best not to try to form vig pools in situations where you have multiple vigs and expect them all to be town, or acting as town. (If a killing role isn't acting as town, then they aren't a vig.) I've been thinking about directing from pools, and decided that it's only a good idea either as part of a breaking strategy, or when you suspect some of the people you're directing are fakeclaiming scum and want to have a reasonable chance of overlapping targets.
In this case, overlapping vig targets are bad; we want as many town-directed kills overnight as possible, rather than kills on just the obvious targets. This means that although vigs should feel free to aim for obvious targets, they should also feel free to spread their shots around if they have a hunch; we'll have more dead scum on average that way, and also more dead townies who would have wasted mislynches. (If someone's going to be lynched anyway and you vig them, and the lynch that would have been used on them instead hits scum, that's just as good.)
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In post 916, UberNinja wrote:In post 915, callforjudgement wrote:Err, and I keep forgetting that if I type in "quick reply", it goes and puts everything I have in multiquote at the start of my post without warning. Sorry about that, everyone. (I think that only lists five of them there.)
Wait, what? Please explain how that works. All i know how to do is click Q+, Q+, Q+, and then Quote, and it will quote all 4 posts.
If you click Q+, Q+, Q+, then forget about it, then try to make a post using the "quick reply" thing, it puts a quote of all the posts at the start of your post by surprise.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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This Captain Corporal wagon is ridiculous; and for reasons unrelated to the Corporal himself. I've just been rereading the thread (after sleeping in all morning) to update the vote count, and what really stood out to me was the way that all the most recent votes on the wagon have been unexplained and looked more like trolling than anything else.
VOTE: SpyreX
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Ouch, I don't like some of the people here on the SpyreX wagon with me. (Although I do like some of the others).
Elmo, can you explain your reason for your play this game, and your votes? Are you just randomly hopping from growing wagon to growing wagon?scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Oh, and I'm not up for lynching Muffin Wednesday just because he's kondi. We're past the time for policy lynches; lynching scum is better than lynching VIs. (Also, I don't know kondi, and what offences he might or might not have committed in the past.)scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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In post 1314, SpyreX wrote:Yaaawwn this is stupiddd but lets go ahead and get it done fast
Unvote, Vote: T-Bone
(I wasn't paying attention and I thought we had one more yesterday)
This is easily the worst of the votes on T-Bone. I had my eye on SpyreX for bad votes yesterday, and if he's going to continue with this crazy argument that lynching townies to prove the people on their wagon wrong is a good idea, his play is so shockingly anti-town that he's probably scum and even if he isn't he'll effectively count as scum.
VOTE: SpyreX
In post 1401, Staeg wrote:HOW THE FUCK DID ANYONE FALL FOR THAT
QFT.
In post 1534, Zajnet wrote:In post 1532, Amrun wrote:BBmolla, seriously, don't say GOODPOSTING at me with your vote on me. You're being ridiculous.
QFT, to the point where I'm going to:
VOTE: BBmolla
He started piquing my interest with the weird lyncher thing. Think about it from this point of view:
A townie claiming that the game is now over might draw out scum claims, or he might draw out town claims.
However, a scum claiming that the game is now over would only draw out town claims (or potentially another scumteam's claims) because his scum partners would know he was lying.
I'd like to point out that there's a topic in Mafia Discussion about just this gambit (claiming that the game is over in the hope that people start claiming). Although it was a really failgambit (I noticed that most of the players on the list weren't in the game, although keeping votecounts gives me a better idea of who is and isn't; and a 6-man game-ending lyncher team in a 50-player setup with one NK and five lynches a day is obviously ridiculous), and I wouldn't expect it to produce information useful to town until there are very few scum left. (It's already been mentioned that daytalk is likely, in which case any scumbag who notices could send their scumbuddies a notice in their QT; and even if there's no daytalk, calling someone on it in the thread wouldn't be at all out of place for either town or scum, and scum are likely to pay attention to warnings coming from their buddies.)
I'm inclined to think that the gambit's just dumb, though, rather than coming from town or scum in particular.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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