Good vs Evil, Law vs Chaos Reboot - Game Over, Good wins

[CooLDoG]

Hello, I'm here.

@MoS, did you put that vote on the right person?
@Lemon, what is your reason for voting me (RVS???)?
@Shadow, put one in mine.

[CooLDoG]

I submitted my Daykill on you.

Next time Seacore posts you will be flipped.

Shotty alert.

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Anyways...


UNVOTE:
VOTE: Norman


You seem like the best candidate for a lynch right now?

What say you?

Sheep much? He comes off as more of a noob/troll to me.

Are you really going to defend someone because they are a troll? norman can't be a noob, look at his join date.

As or Magnua, I do believe he might be a scumbag.

His refusal to not answer my questions, during night time, is probably an act a scumbag would probably do

and then vote me because I randomly make votes depending on first, roster picks and then detection.

Am I missing something here??? During night time?

Everyone else who didn't post and who is currently voting me right after Mr. Magnua did, I take you to be a scumbag.

Nice blanket statement thar.

Norman is most likely a troll.
Riggs isn't defending me... his first and only vote is

on

me.
I'm listening to Attack! by System of a Down... Troll

This is literately the first time I have ever heard the "he is a VI defense" used multiple times by the same person by page 3. Why do you feel the need to defend someone this early. Eat a vote:

vote: lemon

I'm going to ignore Norman's slot until he's replaced... if he's replaced >.>

Can everybody vote this guy now?
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Am I doing it right?

ManiacalLemon. You've earned yourself my distrust.

FoS: Lemons, MagnuaOfIllusion, Empking, Pine, and greenknight.

Until you 3 can tell me exactly why you're voting me, (exlcuding Lemons because I think he's trying to bluff me and make me think he's not a scumbag) you will remain on my FoS list.

As for Green Knight who recently asked why I'm asking these "random" questions... No these aren't random questions, genius, these are background checks and investigations.

So by the great power of deduction, your scum list and hunting abilities consists of people suspecting you? Is this correct?

What do you deduce from this?

Norman is clearly trolling. Sadly I don't think this behaviour makes him any more likely than the usual random chance to be scum.

Anyway, after reviewing the archive of the old thread,

Vote: AurorusVox

. I'm suspicious of the amount of buddying/alliance building he seemed to be doing.

You are buddies with lemon. Why do you feel the need to say exactly what lemon has said twice?
@MoI spoof account:Tell me who has just posted so I can run it through my patented shotty bullshit filter^TM

@ML

– why do you think my Daykill on Foxace was a reaction test? He fence-sat way too passively for my tastes and I run on a gut basis for scum-hunting unlike my partner.

And why would you ignore Norman? Is it your belief that trolls can’t be scum?

Because I find it unlikely someone would kill this early in the day. Also, Seacore was online browsing this forum, and nothing was posted, so...

Also, I'll happily vote Norman. It's just hard for me to get a read on trolls. To clarify, I meant I would stop replying to his stupidity.

PEdit: Early information? And if you're replaced, and you're town, we can get a more pro-town player.

Unvote, Vote: Norman

I'm fine with this right now.

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SO you can't get a read on him and you defend him and you still vote for him.
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Spoiler: the most fucking hilarious string of posts in game ever

I haven't seen any potential partners for Norman as of this point. Therefore, my vote is staying on ML.

PEdit: People should stop posting

I'm neither what you said Foxace.

I'm really a nobody in this game. I'm the person that says alot of things in a certain room, as if I was talking about someone to someone, ranting about but then when you go in there, opening that door to the room, you don't see the person I'm talking to, and you don't see me. You see only the shadow of a body but you don't see a real person. I am the embodiment of obscurity.

That's what I am, and I will reman so.


As for Lemons, I don't think you know what I'm doing. But I'm not going to reveal even so if you and some of your delightful acquaintances lynch me. And even if you do, you're losing another number crucial to your manpower.

So what the above post indicates is -

Norman is going to be useless for scum-hunting purposes and isn't even an amusing troll.

He needs more votes stat!

If he's not replaced by D2, I'll vote him.

I'm neither what you said Foxace.

I'm just here to confuse the fuck out of you and everyone else. I don't actually plan on offering anything of stubstance. I just want to have the pleasure in pissing all of you off.

That's what i got from that.

If that's how you're going to play, I just want you lynched period. Scum or not, a player like you has no place in this game

My vote stands.

Magua I'm definitive you are a scumbag. In fact I'm really seeing that you are one. Such a waste that you have to live.

But sometimes a man must sacrifice himself for his own beliefs if necessary. And if so, I'm willing to do that to make people see the truth of things.

And I'm not going to be replaced. No matter no how.

And no one answered if their original roles are the same roles on this game. I'd like to know what that the answer is to that.

And I am trying to scumhunt, in fact I'm really trying hard. You people aren't just realizing it.

That was quite funny, Fox.

That was quite funny, Fox.

No that wasn't funny at all. Understand, everyone, if you want to take me seriously, or are trying to, please think profoundly to what I am doing. I'm not being a complete waste of time. So please, stop trolling me. It's the way of how I play things. Kondi you know exactly what I'm doing and I think you only want me out because you either hate me or you're a scumbag. Everyone who has played with me, KNOWS, exactly what I'm doing.

That was quite funny, Fox.

No that wasn't funny at all. Understand, everyone, if you want to take me seriously, or are trying to, please think profoundly to what I am doing. I'm not being a complete waste of time. So please, stop trolling me. It's the way of how I play things. Kondi you know exactly what I'm doing and I think you only want me out because you either hate me or you're a scumbag. Everyone who has played with me, KNOWS, exactly what I'm doing.

I'm TRYING to take you seriously. Why do you think I took the time to answer every single one of your godawful questions? I honestly don't see the reasoning behind any of it.

Kondi, if you were to look at my posts before in my games, yes, you would know. It's a shame you really don't know what I'm doing and plan to replace me.

And Foxace, there is reason behind everything. In fact a number of reasons. Every witness I've talked to in this game, and in every other game I've written down notes of personality and current reactions. I've asked serious quesions and I've asked rather odd questions. I've even placed Paint pictures for lots of reasons. Sometimes I do different things, sometimes I do the same things in different games or games that look like scenarios from older games.

Sometimes you even have to be illogical to get the information you want.

I'm neither what you said Foxace.

I'm just here to confuse the fuck out of you and everyone else. I don't actually plan on offering anything of stubstance. I just want to have the pleasure in pissing all of you off.

That's what i got from that.

If that's how you're going to play, I just want you lynched period. Scum or not, a player like you has no place in this game

My vote stands.

Meh...not a fan of policy lynches based on play style hate or comments like this. Sure policy lynches can be useful, I suppose. I prefer looking for scum.

100% agree. Listen to this guy people.

I wouldn't be surprised if all the scum were lurking, watching us tear the town apart.

I bet all the scum are active and posting content less posts like the one I just quoted.

@Norman, I can usually make 3 posts a day. Two short, on like this. Some days I can do more, some days I can do less. This is dependent on my work load and the daily tv/cricet/sport schedules.

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actually, I could do more than this if there was more content.

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@norman, read better, I said work load. I can post thought the day but it depends on my work load. Meaning that if I need do actually do something I will not post as much.

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Because the post is long I won't quote it...
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3922240 Fox makes a rather scummy jump off of the norman bandwagon.What's scummy about it is the timing (his wagon is becoming increasingly unpopular) and the fact that there is little justification of it. I think fox would be my number two or three scum pick right now.

Soo much to comment on that post it's ridiculous. I may be heading out with some friends so I may have to reply to that tomorrow morning. If not, then expect a reply soon.

Say a post is "ridiculous" doesn't prove anything and lacks a warrant. Tell me why it is ridiculous without rainbow colors and in the first post that you talk about that post. If you don't have the time to do it now, then do it in full later.

actually, I could do more than this if there was more content.

11 pages isn't enough for you?

Read: 5 new pages with a lot of RVS and stupid stuff that is meaningless thrown around.

After reading that jumble of mess, all I have to say at the moment is
Why isn't foxface dead? Wasn't a daykill submitted on him? The mod posted, but no kill was made.

It's called shotty. You must understand that shotty says that he is homeless, a drug addict, has a job at windy's, and posts from a windy's POS. He is known to say stupid shit before, in and out of game.

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I swear I read "this is a hydra between shotty and dgb" in your sig. swear to god.

But fate also has a history submitting fake daykills... and real ones on occasion.

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to clarify, I do know that DGB and shotty have a hydra... Must have been from a different game I was in.

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@shadow, read: I was in this game before the re-boot. I have read the entire game. I WOLD HAVE HELPED GET CACHE FOR THIS GAME IF THE MOD HADN'T ALL READY GOTTEN IT. I don't feel like I need to comment on anything that I have already commented on when the "cached" pages were actually being made/"in play" before the crash. Also, do you know what the word "new" means? Serious question. Answer:

1. recently made: recently made, created, or invented
a new drug

Microsoft® Encarta® 2006. © 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

[CooLDoG]

Pine disappeared as well... Foxace, don't think I might be crazy but I think the scumbags are denying their presence and they want us to kill each other.

I love this guy.

Where were you the other day? Did you see anyone shift about?

This stops here guys. Looking for scum by just if the read the thread without posting or not is not 100% indicative of alignment. And we are NOT going to lynch off of who has their "show activity" on or off. Plus as furc/fate point out you can't tell if they are actually reading this thread. Some people are in multiple games. However, I do think that the specific critique of empking is valid because he was under suspicion at the time of his "only reading". And Having the theme park forum up and just looking at it doesn't seem to be "trying to get into the mood" I call bullshit.

Urge to follow policy lynch rising...

Yeah you do that. And while you're at it why don't you assassinate the vigilante!

WTF, vig claim?????????????

I don't even know how to begin arguing with that......

Anyways, I haven't looked to closely into Lemon's posts yet. I dont have a read on him.

Second time you have said this. Do it or don't.

Well, for one, I'm in twelve (about to be thirteen) games right now, and ten of them are in their day phase.

How you people do it, I will never know . However, this should not be an excuse for you not posting and answering questions. When you .in for a game I assume that you are going to play it to the best of your ability regardless of other on site matters.

@ ManiacalLemon: Are you Mafia alot of the times?

@ Foxace: After when you put your computer back, tell me: Who do you think is buddies with Maniacal Lemon?

@ Kondi: The same question I asked Foxace.

I've never been.

Sorry I was away, I had band related practice most of the day. Gah, Norman seems scummier and scummier the more I read. Will reread what I missed more in depth.

Elaborate.

Going forward norman will become a really easy lynch for both scum teams to push. Right now I see norman as one of the most pro-active players in the game who is trying to scum hunt. I might be a little biased towards favoring the VI because I was treated like that before (and to a certain extend still to this day), but norman does not have the characteristics of being scum. And nobody as brought a good case against him. Lemon seems to be the main pusher of this policy lynch happy mob.

@lemon:
1) why is norman scum
2) what maid norman more scummy between your posts (I'm talking about above quote)
3) does being a VI increase your chance of being scum?
4) Lynch scum or anti-town?

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It wasn't a vig claim on myself. It was a vig claim towards the whole playerlist. And I think there is atleast one. And if the vigilante wishes to kill, I hope he kills Lemons, kondi, or any of the other 7 people I mentioned.

How do we know that there is a vig? Why are we even speculating about it?

And look who pops up 5 whopping minutes after I point out he's possibly avoiding the thread?

Scumtastic!

This. Also, this is going to get really confusing really quickly with you and the hydra, just saying .

Now I'm really confused:

Cooldog - Ignorance is town, and there's no way scum would be so ignorant of who made up this hydra (that is,

hitogoroshi

and myself) as to confuse us with drmyshottyizsik and DGB.

contrast with
[quote="hydra's sig]A hydra of

Fate

and

Furcolow

.[/quote]

VOTE: CooLDoG
his actions have been clearly scum motivated all game. he's also a chronic lurker.

chronic lurker.... who else is a chronic lurker? Also, why are my posts scum motivated? I fail to see a warrant for such a claim.

Vote: Pine

I believe in the power of Team Mo_!

Justification for your vote?

Secondly, I'm only voting Kondi in response to him voting me because he thinks I'm a scumbag. Well in retaliation I'm voting him because he voted for me. Simple as that. I have no solid evidence currently to accuse him of. I really don't have any solid accusations of anyone. I'm just going by background investigations, gamblings, and reactions.

How can you square the above with you saying that you don't omgus?

Shadoweh is mafia

This might be a good justification in another universe... but not here. Why is shadoweh scum?

So trekker is a Epic Mafia troll VI who will also be ignored like Norman. They can go make finger-paints in the corner as far as I’m concerned. I’ll also insta-vote trekker if he gets to L-1. Fair warning is fair.

agree. 100% agree.

lol wtf was totally gonna vote pine too until 338. If I voted him it wouldn't really work for me now would it...

I'll stick to my second best choice

VOTE: Tammy

Are you scum? >_>

nah, you are.

dszf,jsfmdioldsjrwoefsid439-u09048
^My fists pounding into the keyboard. Justify your votes and scum suspects or replace out.

Dayvig: Shadoweh

unvote, vote: trekker

this MaguaOfIllusion guy is scum with Shadoweh.

Not justifying votes hurts the towns scum hunting ability. Also, your appearance right when called out is scummy.

~ninjas.... sorry if some of the stuff I ask has allready been answered.
@norman, isn't your style of omgus essentially the same sort of stupid voting with little qualifications as what you say omgus is?

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voting for someone for only voting for them is in fact really fucking stupid.

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uhhh, so I can justify any stupid vote by saying its the first day? tempted to vote but don't want to because he might be just really stupid town urrg.

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ITT Norman is going to soft-claim and backtrack on every possible role in the hopes of outing Town Powerroles!!!

Good Times!

Can we have lynch time now please?

yes.
Norman, I'm going to vote you because it is day 1.

vote:norman

and because I want to.
@green, read better. Like seriously, make sure that what you are saying is true before you post it.
@lord mhork, read his sig please.

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CooLDoG, that seems scummy.
"Because it is day 1... and because I want to"

sorry that you didn't catch the fact that I was sarcastically voting using his reasons for omgusing half the player list. Need to learn sarcasm tags

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This is driving me insane.

@CooLDoG:
Go here.
Look at posts 33 and 36. Do you see a Magua here? No, you don't.
Now look here and here.
Note how MagnaofIllusion isn't on the list either.
The signature is a joke, just like the last one which proclaimed it to be a hydra of shotty and DGB.
Understand?

OH MY GOD. It makes sense now. Stupid sigs LIE!

You LIE Stupid sig.

@norman, go on the wiki and read the article on omgus. Also note how all of your townlist are people who haven't voted for you.

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Idk. He's agreeing with everything I say, and he's voting for the Pine guy. He might be a rainbow wizard of neutral alignment for all I'm aware of.

LOL. Everybody that agrees with you is town. Everybody that doesn't is scum. What was that about bullshit reasons?

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Pardon if I may be slightly annoying, but why are we not voting for Pine now?

the real question is why isn't he voting for you when he has been pushing for your lynch for the past 20 pages or so. Also, good catch on the day-talk thing... lynch norman now please.

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@norman, how could one vote for you and not be a scumbag?

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@norman, how could one vote for you and not be a scumbag?

Didn't I explain this a day or an hour ago? They would want to vote me because I seemed like an easy target. They want to blend in with the townspeople so that they woudn't get recognized as scumbags. If there isn't atleast 1 scumbag on there well then the reverse psychology effect obviously didn't work and I should've executed it later...

Don't take the negative. Under what situation could I vote for you and not be a scumbag? Apparently the answer is never. Correct? Because we are all trying to push an easy lynch right. Maybe it's an easy lynch for a reason. Because you are acting so damn scummy (as I have outlined before) that it would be stupid not to vote for you. Also, you do realize that acting stupid and putting everybody that has ever voted for you on your scum list hurts town and just creates a bunch of useless noise.

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also, I think I have failed to comment on the whole zed/tammy deal that has been ongoing. I personally feel that it could be town on town there. I don't see tammy as scummy, however I do feel that zed is trying to actively scum hunt as well. No strong read there either way.

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Ok, at least I know people can read my posts now.

@CoolDog

: Bolded for emphasis, are you just flat out ignoring my posts?

I read your posts but I really don't have much to say about them because I have allready answered to the only argument that you have brought up against me. Also, you have only mentioned me in 3 of your 33 some odd posts. SO I don't understand what I'm supposed to answer to or why you are even asking this.

@lemons, I have contributed more meaningful anlisis and have posted more than you. Why am I on your scum list anyway... ohh I forgot you, norman, trekker, MoS, peregin, and a bunch of other fuckers who simply refuse to give any justification for thier reads and votes. This will not be a sustainable way to play in the later game when we are down a few town members. Scum will rape this town if the current state of things continues, that is my prediction.

@trekker, you have three options at the moment. 1, Make posts with more than five words. 2, replace out. 3, claim that you have a post restriction that forces you to post spam posts that do not contribute to the game. Pick one.

Can we just lynch Trekker then? Please? I can only stand so much stupidity before I go on a rampage the sight of which will scar most players for the rest of their days.

I am almost up to *here* with the stupid fucks in this game. That's coming from me, CooLDoG. At least I try... these guys aren't even trying.

everything cool dog says is irrelevant, because he's scum.

Why am I scum? I would be more than willing to accept your reasons if they were valid and

if you actually had any.

Can we just lynch Trekker then? Please? I can only stand so much stupidity before I go on a rampage the sight of which will scar most players for the rest of their days.

can you stop being an elitist prick? you're being a total dick and making this game unenjoyable because your head is too far up your ass. learn the basics of catching scum before you run your mouth and declare yourself above everyone else, or bybthe time the game is over you'll look like a moronic asshole.

So randomly voting for people without supplying any reasons, posting one word spam posts, and not actually trying to play the game is how you catch scum? Serious question by the way.

Okay, lemon is the first one to have valid reasons. Let me address why I have flipped my read on norman. At the start of the game I honestly thought he was simply a miss understood VI at the start of the game who we could glean some information from. However once his scum list started to grow and his votes turned to omgus only I have concluded that he will only be a hindrance to the town if he is town, or he could be scum just trying to fuck us up and play off of his meta. Hell, I have done that several times when I have played scum.

People I would support a lynch for (in no particular order):
Norman
trekker
lemons
-possibly, but I need to be persuaded-
pine

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He still seems scummy. The possibility of a jester worries me, however.

The possibility of a jester in this game is so close to zero that it is in fact zero.

Barbarian - Must not be Lawful
Bard - Must not be Lawful
Cleric - May be of any alignment (Although technically must be within one alignment step of their deity, but ignore that here)
Commoner - May be of any alignment
Druid - Must contain one element of Neutral
Fighter - May be of any alignment
Paladin - Must be Lawful Good
Ranger - May be of any alignment
Rogue - May be of any alignment
Sorcerer - May be of any alignment
Wizard - May be of any alignment

One of these has to be the jester then. Which is very very unlikely. Hell, the mod might even confirm that there isn't a jester.

@norman, omgusing half the player list is a hindrance to the town, especially when you have very few reasons for any of your votes.

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last line should be, very few reasons if any. Sense I am including trekker and the like in your group.

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Hey Norman is trekker playing the game?

Can I answer that? Yeah, I guess I will. Trekker is not actually playing the game. He is simply voting for whoever floats his boat. Who know why he is voting for me right now. He sure as hell won't tell you.

CoolDoG, LynchMePls, Shadoweh. one scum team.
Pine, two others. second scum team.

looking for more connections.

Why is this true?

Rats. he got away... Well I'm pretty much fed up with all this non-lynching business going around and I'm an impatient person... When will this day ever end...

Well I got some things to do. Adios amigoes. I'll be back when you guys have made up your mind. And it better not be me because I try hard to play this game.

Sorry to break it to you, but this day ain't gonna be over for some time. We only have 5 people on the two biggest wagons. That's about half needed to lynch on each individual one.

Pretty much don't want to play this game anymore. People like Norman just make Mafia un-fun.

I'm a Chaotic Good Bard. I can Detect Law every night in search of the LE faction.

name claimed. Claimed a power role. What the fuck are you doing?

Which is odd, actually, as 3.5 Bard has no alignment-detection spells on the standard list.

Which makes me not want to believe your claim. But still, why did you claim?

Pretty much don't want to play this game anymore. People like Norman just make Mafia un-fun.I'm a Chaotic Good Bard. I can Detect Law every night in search of the LE faction

First of all I don't try to make Mafia un-fun. And I didn't say I was going forever, I'm watching progress.

And if you're a Bard how about you detect me and see if I'm Town, if I am, could you kindly explain these angry people to kindly get their hands off the rope for a lynch that should never happen.

There are two towns s it would take two cops (if they exist) to come out here and claim and both target the same person. You could also be neutral which would probably require a third cop to clear you... Also this is probably not the best strategy. We should NOT be directing cops at all. Scum might have a bus driver/jail-keeper/something that would misdirect the cop's action. Also it gives the mafia more time to think over how they will handle the alignment result that the cop gives. Overall bad idea.

cooldog is mafia

WHY, WHY, WHY?

Norman, I'll tell you to fuck off all I like. You're annoying, spammy, you make me want to replace out of a game I've been anticipating for half a year and was the first pre/in for, and you helped force a Cop to claim on D1 mostly out of OMGUS and because midterms are kicking my ass.

So fuck you.

How did he force you to claim. Seems to me that you claimed 100% on your own accord.

Neither?

What does 8 x 7 = ?

6? 9? 42?

5678 the answer to 8x7 is the two numbers that come before it. Man, elementary school was where it was at.

Also, not sold on the fox wagon. I still think that tammy/fox is town on town with TV.

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You people questioning the timing of my claim - are you nuts? There was a wagon on me, picking up steam, led by morons who had no good reasons but were getting support from smart people that could actually make it happen. I straight up don't have time to keep up with the pace of a frantic lynch mob with midterms (though they're coming to a close soon) and if I'd waited to claim, it would have been ignored. My only option was either get really intense, really fast with this thread (which was impractical for me) or stop it dead in its tracks.

628 and 629 are practically scum claims.

Your wagon is not was and, for the relative future, will not be close to lynch. Do you count four votes close to lynch in a 20+ player game when it takes over 11 to lynch?!?!?!

@shadow, soft claims can count later on though. So it would be worthwhile to keep note of them for future reference.

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You were under zero pressure to claim. Nobody threatened to hammer, heck, nobody was even rolefishing for you to claim. Plus, initial reasons that you gave for claiming were that norman was making the game un-fun. Plus 8 people isn't even close to lynch, were you at l4 or l-5?

[CooLDoG]

Actually you were at l-6. Which is very little pressure for a claim based off of the closeness of being lynched.

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With 26 players how do we expect to get a lynch in 9 days, by the way?

Actual lol here. What is the fastest large lynch anyway? Hint, it was one post and was a bad idea . But the fifth shortest day in all of MS history (a pretty long time) is 5 days. Which is still pretty short. I'm going off on tangents here again.

Norman, that was fucking Mayo Clinic, where whispersilk was dictating the game with "logix" and "planz", and I replaced out right after you did. Your argument is invalid.

Just a little meta here for those who don't know. Norman is 1000x better than mist beauty.

@moI's post. Lead on brother. However, I must ask, what do you think of tammy vs. zed? Do you think that their interaction is scummy, or neutral? Also, lynch scum or anti-town (who is town aligned, if you get what I mean)? Also, I would be happy to lynch greeknight as well.

Also, if we are going to policy lynch we had better do it today as briz correctly points out. By d-2 we should be lynching who we think is scum only. With two kills its even debatable if we should P-lynch d1. But personally I would be for a norman lynch or a trekker P-lynch.

You obviously don't know what I'm capable of. You don't allow people second chances do you? It's a shame, briz. Because if you were in my position I'd allow you a second chance. Yeah. Who's the dick now?

Okay, prove us wrong and show us that you are better. If you actually try to catch scum and scum hunt and not omgus half the player list then we/I won't vote for you.

If I had the ability to

nuke every player

shoot, kick, ban every stupid fucker on a wagon, I'd target the CD wagon.

Fixed
Also, LMP should win the award for the most witty player in this game, just saying.

What the fuck is this epic mafia people keep mentioning?

Stay ignorant. I think either UT, oman, or NS actually never said a word on a certain EM account and he has a really good win/loss record. So it's basically the shit pool of mafia gaming.

P.S. If you read all of Suzanne Collin's hunger games books, don't go see the movie. It'll piss you off. Jus' sayin'.

Disagree. The movie was good. You're probably one of those people that freaks out because "OMFG no TOM BOMBADIL!" Newsflash: Movies aren't books. That's why they say they're "adapted" from the book.

It is up for debate if movies can even be compared to books. Totally different medium. Also, Battle Royal movie/book is way way better imo.

@fox, eh I might vote for pine. Not my top choice but passable. Slight scum read here...

Who's my favourite little turdshit, you are Feysal, you are. Awwww you're so cute trying to make me look like crap. I applaud you for your efforts you worthless, scum-sucking, discriminating, negligant, afflicted, calamitous, vile motherfucking bastard. I hope some day you may be able to eat feces like the piece of shit you are.

Damn, that's harsh, and the spelling is worse than mine!

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lynch norman guys. Let's just put him out of his misery. It would clear the air sooooo much.

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Also, trekker, in your next post have these elements or face my rage

1) more than 5 lines long
2) explain why you are voting for whoever you are voting for
3) scum list with reasons
4) one quote with meaningful analysis. (not going to be too strict on this one)

[CooLDoG]

@CooL: If we're doing this purely for PL, trekker would be better than Norman by a mile.

true true. I see a norman lynch as a double whammy of lynchy goodness.

[CooLDoG]

This is not an OMGUS vote, this isn't a "whatever" vote, this isn't a sensible vote, it's a sincere hatred vote. And I intend to kill everyone with votes that mock me.

Voting purely off of your emotions is not pro-town. Just gonna say that. Also, I hold very few grudges after a game is over. It's the nature of the game to fight. Sorry if I am being harsh.
[quote='trekker the person who never justifies his vote and does not contribute to the game]now, let's lynch cooldog.[/quote]
my response:

Also, this is a great site, you should check it out!
@peri, so because nobody else says something I am scum. And I hardly brought it up. If you claim vig, you do that. I don't claim for you.

[quot="LM"]What is with all this hate and name-calling? Are we fourth graders again? This is nothing but sheer chaos, spam, and more chaos! How is anyone supposed to get any scumhunting done amongst this?! Norman, you are making it really hard for me to stick to my 'no policy-lynching' policy. Feysal, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy are you feeding the flames?

I'll catch up to any questions directed at me later when I'm not fuming at the stupidity going on around me, yeah?[/quote]
Agree. Guys, cut the noise and take more time making each individual post as appposed to spamming the thread with useless shit.

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

Vote: CooLDoG

Why?

Well I wanted to ask Feysal a question but then herring choker punk thought it was ok to call me a retard while I clearly told him

I was acting like one for game purposes only.

The bolded should net insta lynch. You are purposefully duming down your mental abilities when you play this game. Why? Doing it to get "VI Points" to avoid a lynch?

Why are these people ignoring my questions?! I want answers not fucking dismisses! Maybe the quiet people posting are town and the ones making bogus reasons are probably scumbags!

Maybe you should have thought about how people would receive your questions/comments later in the game before you turned into an omgus happy ass hat.
^Also, you can have that quote for your sig.

@mod, thanks for being more active with VCs!!!!

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^says the guy who hasn't read 30 pages of norman.

Trekker, can I just ignore you? Or could you like, I don't know, Stick a fork and outlet, or throw a toaster in the shower while the water is running and while you are inside of the shower?

Need reasons man. Why is voting for norman scummy? Why is me voting for norman make me more scummy than the rest of the player list? If you can't build a logical case on me and you refuse to answer questions and contribute to the town, my suggestion is to go back to EM with your kind and let the adults play this game.

[CooLDoG]

ohhh, and adult was used metaphorically, no insult minors who are still good mafia players

[CooLDoG]

I meant to make it a mouth full. The toaster in a shower was actually a reference to some old advertisements for "Hitman: Blood Money" (oddly enough, I don't own the game). And the fork in an outlet was meant to be intentionally confusing. See, I;m trying to go over Trekker's reading level, which is obviously very low sense he can't put forth at least a half-assed analisis of anything that has gone on in this entire game, so that it won't hurt his feelings as much.

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The thing is, he's saying this to get trekker to play Mafia as opposed to doing nothing.

You're operating under the assumption that what is going on in this thread is actually mafia. I haven't seen anything yet that particularly strikes me as useful.

Yes to both.

[CooLDoG]

... I don't even know what to say.

Trekker, yes or no, this is your case on me:
1) CooLDoG Votes for norman, thus he is scum
2) CooLDoG doesn't like Epicmafia, therefore he is scum
3) CooLDoG has a worse win% on Epicmafia, therfore he is scum
4) CooLDoG is stupid, therfore he is scum

Here is my similar case on you:
1)Trekker's case does not hold any logic
2) Trekker is obviously just hopping on the largest bandwagon in order to get an easy lynch
3) trekker refuses to post any content, thus making his slot harder to read and contributes a lot less to the town
4) Trekker talks about irrelevant things such as EM to dodge prods
5) Trekker has yet to post anything more than "CooLDoG is scum" which lowers the amount of information the town has
6) trekker has yet to ask a question or scum hunt, demonstrating that he does not care if we lynch scum or not
7) Trekker does not respond to anything said about him, unless it is about Epic mafia which is rather irrelevant
8) Trekker is scared that he will be labeled as a lurker (evidence by MoI's call and your appearance 5mins later) and thus being lynched. Also, you have failed to adiquitly disperse the "5 min appearance" argument by any standard.
9) Only talking about one player for about 31 pages. And not developing any other reads.
10) hasn't developed any reads.

Conclusion: Trekker is not part of a town aligned faction.
Now it's a toss up between trekker and norman. We still have 8-9 days... I'll go with my strongest read then.

unvote, vote: trekker

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I meant to make it a mouth full. The toaster in a shower was actually a reference to some old advertisements for "Hitman: Blood Money" (oddly enough, I don't own the game). And the fork in an outlet was meant to be intentionally confusing. See, I;m trying to go over Trekker's reading level, which is obviously very low sense he can't put forth at least a half-assed analisis of anything that has gone on in this entire game, so that it won't hurt his feelings as much.

haha, youre kinda stu[pid, tahts why youre obvious mafia

Also, you forgot

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s and you put a

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in stupid. Just thought you might want to know that.

[CooLDoG]

Trekker still failed to say why CooLDoG is scum. VOTE: trekker

thank you.

@trekker, tell me why I am lying about you. Also, quote where you have asked me a question or have made a substantive attack on me.

[CooLDoG]

What flawless logic.

[CooLDoG]

Good question really.

[CooLDoG]

Wait, Zd, do you think norman is also scum for not scum hunting effectively? Trekker?

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What do you think of trekker not asking a single question all game long?

[CooLDoG]

What about MoS? He doesn't seem to be an active scum hunter. Why are you almost exclusively attacking tammy for this.

[CooLDoG]

why, again, am I scum?

[CooLDoG]

Alright. So I read the 30 pages of madness.

I'm going to try something here. I'm a Commoner. I'm town and have no power, just VT. I'm going to keep my alignment to myself though.

In other news, here's what I think of the game:
Norman, trekker, kondi, Tammy, and that MOI hydra thing are all town.
I believe Pine's claim so he's town also.

I think most of the people that voted Norman (and some more recent) are scum. Norman's behavior isn't... typical, so it's an easy town lynch for scum.

Also @Norman: Turn it down a few notches. Watch some of the personal attacks. It's just a game... although I know you're town and don't want anything to do with your wagon, you need to watch how you act.

Got any actual scum reads instead of generalizations.

@Pine, before making such a big step as a claim shouldn't you read the whole thread first?
@Pine's 820, One, you had no good reason to claim. Ypur reasdon was that you were to goddamn lazy to read the thread. Is lurking a scum tell for you?

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@Pine, before making such a big step as a claim shouldn't you read the whole thread first?
@Pine's 820, One, you had no good reason to claim. Ypur reasdon was that you were to goddamn lazy to read the thread. Is lurking a scum tell for you?

1) Fuck you, 13 out of 26 people ready to lynch me, regardless of actual number of votes, was enough to make me panic.
2) Lurking is never, ever a scum tell on D1. Complete absence from the thread is actually a weak Town tell, as it indicates that there's no scum QT to remind you, no pressure to prove yourself, and the person isn't excited about the challenge.

Yeah, only scum are going to see false pressure when you had zero chance for a lynch at the time. Also, only scum would so hard core lurk that they wouldn't even know what situation there wagon is in.

@Zdnek, the only thing that would make me think that you are scummy is your tunnel vision on tammy. It seems to me that you are almost exclusively attacking her/him. Also, your meta arguments are not very convincing in my opinion. That's partly because I don't put much stock in meta (especially related some one entirely different) and also because you have really only made one argument against tammy. If I don't buy that one argument (Sorry, I don't) you will never get me to vote for tammy. I want to see more varied scum hunting from you.

[CooLDoG]

^I'm going to go read that original dialog. I'll comment on it. Funny how after 35 pages you case is basically on some dialog that happened around page -5.

[CooLDoG]

Okay, this is the short dialog that makes me scum:

Also, it is my impression that there aren't any "scum" in the normal sense of the term.

To me it sounds like this game is actually two games mushed into one big town. Look at the number of players in the game... 2x13=26. But does each faction have equal numbers? Or is it exactly like two minis mushed together?

[quote"shadow1psc He made two back to back posts, so I just combined them."]Good morning everyone. My usual play carries into this very interesting game, I probably won't post a lot fri-sun, but will put forth much effort during the regular week. Also, who in gods name let MaguaofIllusion happen? That's not cool. Cooldog, I would think that there's probably a scum in the normal sense, chaotic evil, and two different towns can win simultaneously should they be vanquished? My wincon implies this. In fact, It's more like there's two towns both split into two because of lawful/chaotic. One doesn't need the other to win, but it doesn't prohibit them from winning should the other fall.


POST2:

Also straight from the rules;

> Game Specific Mechanics
28) When a faction achieves its win condition, all members of that faction 'win' and then leave the game. Any surviving direct opponents also leave the game. The game then continues until the remaining two factions conclude their conflict.[/quote]
How am I scum from that? Like, really, how am I scum from that. I don't think I need to say anything more than that. In fact talking about win cons, does yours happen to be chaotic evil or lawful evil? And does your scum team happen to have 3 people (normal size for a mini normal [3/13]) in it.

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^I'm going to go read that original dialog. I'll comment on it. Funny how after 35 pages you case is basically on some dialog that happened around page -5.

That's not what my case is based on, just what gave me initial suspicion, because lolday1. If you read any of my other posts concerning you, you'd find the other reasons why I placed my vote on you. Very little of it has to do with those first pages, even my last post says as much. It was a hint at either feigning ignorance, or faking content/discussion, and you never really picked up the ball into any relevant discussion the game held.

Okay, Answer my questions then. Are you of evil alignment? And does your scum team have 3 people in it?

[CooLDoG]

SCUMSLIP! Actually, that was sorta a joke. I'll get to whatever you posted about me when I have more time to read and formulate a post.

[CooLDoG]

SCUMSLIP! Actually, that was sorta a joke. I'll get to whatever you posted about me when I have more time to read and formulate a post.

See, this is the problem I do indeed have with you. it's been like a week since I started digging into you, and you didn't even respond to a post of mine until there was a wagon on you, despite me asking direct questions and formulating logical questions. The one saving grace you have right now are the people who jumped on your wagon.

Ohh, because I thought what you were bring up was rather ridiculous and silly. I'll look into it in more detail sense it appears to bother you so much. Today actually isn't the best day for me due to real life obligations. Probably tomorrow I can do a good read of all your posts and stuff. Also, can I have your top scum suspects for reference in anticipation for my re-read.

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Zdenek seems townier to me, simply because I cant see scum pushing the (admittedly idiotic) 'Tammy is scum wagon' to such an extent, even when most of the players have said its a bad idea.

With 4 days left, we need to find a common concensus regarding who to lynch. Personally I would be most happy with a Foxace lynch, but I would also be okay with a lynch on:
AurousVox
Moneybags
LordMhork
Pine
Mastermind of Sin
+ Any of the trolls/lurkers in this game

Foxace Wall:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3931262, yet as MoI pointed out, 8 of these posts were from the head you considered town, and 6 of them were from the head you considered 'iffy', the whole 'one head is town one is scum' argument from him seems like he is at the very least reaching, trying to find some theory where it is difficult to be proved wrong.

His latest scum reads read like my town reads except for Shadoweh and Pine, and it seems to just be whoever is suspecting him, adding to the fact that he seems to be eternally promisisng to 'post his reasoning later', despite never doing so.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p3930137

His self vote just seemed like an attempt to be seen as town, as he saw how everyone responded to Norman's self-vote, especially his awful reasoning 'It will be easier to narrow down the scum because town will have more information to go off.', which is quite simply utrue

In a rush so more later

Foxface, meh for me. Still have a neutral read. Vox, maybe, not sold yet either. I could sorta go along with a money bags or mhrok lynch. I could follow either a pine or a MoS lynch for sure. I could also go for any "troll" because I find them legitimately scummy. But we do need to start thinking about who we should lynch and build a consensus, soon.

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actually, I could do more than this if there was more content.

11 pages isn't enough for you?

Not when the first 11 pages are filled with noise. Content =/= number of pages.

You might also note that I've called Foxace town on multiple occasions. I was waiting for some substance from people that haven't posted/posted much since the restart. I got what I wanted though, so let me read back into the original thread one more time, there was something that struck me wrong.

So let me get this straight -

You've called Foxace Town on multiple occasions and yet your vote is still sitting on him even after you post this?

If your response revolves around the concept of an RVS vote don't bother running that up the flag-pole since votes are votes and keeping your vote parked on a Town read regardless of how much pressure they have is scummy.

Blah blah blah Fate hydra blah blah.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CoolDog

As a rule of thumb I'm always wary of people who don't bother to read the rules.

actually, I could do more than this if there was more content.

11 pages isn't enough for you?

Read: 5 new pages with a lot of RVS and stupid stuff that is meaningless thrown around.

11 pages between the original game (which is still plenty relevant) and this new incarnation. If you couldn't find something to say by then about the play going on, you're not trying hard enough or you're dodgy scum. You're not a noob, and plenty has happened so I'm going to assume dodgy scum.

Keep in mind that I had already commented on the first pages in the previous game. Trust me I was there and I was an active poster (actually probably had more posts than you). Also seeing from your iso you didn't have much to say either (just for further evidence that there was nothing to talk about), so the same thing could be said about you. I fail to see you building a big case, in fact nobody has posted much for the first 5 (or 11) pages, because we were still in the formation phases (in both cases) and norman and co. were creating a lot of noise. Read the first 5 pages for your self.

That still doesn't mean you should shrug off the 6 pages of the current game which arguably started out of RVS. I obviously know you were in the game before the reboot, we even had a short conversation. You were even a topic of discussion on pages 4 and 5, of which you did

not

comment on, so if you really want to get all semantics, you had 7 pages to comment on.

Again, I am supposed to comment on a bunch of RVS votes and something that was already discussed. Also I had posted two times on page 4 of the original thread. The suspicions on me were not well fleshed out at all and I would have probably responded to them with a youtube video with the title of "why why why". Also, nobody is using those reasons for voting me now (hint, they were gut reads) or on the first 5 pages of the new thread so I don't see why I should be forced to comment on irrelevancy. IN FACT SEVERAL PEOPLE ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE OLD THREAD VOTED ON PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY SAID THAT THERE WASN'T A GOOD CASE ON ME. (briz, shadow, and zde voted for people who were pushing a case on me. You can read the thread for yourself, look at page 5 near the bottom)

...WTF?....Really? What is all of this?

VOTE:shadow1psc

The one thing I actually remeber through reading this is that you changed your vote after someone accussed you of voting elsewhere. I don't like the vibes that's sending me.

So that stuck, but you didn't bother to go back for context? Can you tell me why I changed my vote without going back and reading it, or did you just see that someone mentioned I had my vote parked somewhere and I changed it willy-nilly?

@hydraofillusion

serious question, but does passive play usually = scum tell? I was passive as hell in ASoS. I assume Magua wrote that, and in turn is now really wary of my play re: noob plea in AFfC. You'll find that my day one play is fairly consistent throughout any game because of the general day one crap. The last game especially (even as scum) dampened my spirits thanks to how simply bad town played day 1/2.

My 'active' play here though, is that (and I'll double back to confirm this after my quick catch up this morning) CoolDog has said nothing in response to my accusations.

Actually, I sorta did.

Spoiler: my quotes

Because the post is long I won't quote it...
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3922240 Fox makes a rather scummy jump off of the norman bandwagon.What's scummy about it is the timing (his wagon is becoming increasingly unpopular) and the fact that there is little justification of it. I think fox would be my number two or three scum pick right now.

Soo much to comment on that post it's ridiculous. I may be heading out with some friends so I may have to reply to that tomorrow morning. If not, then expect a reply soon.

Say a post is "ridiculous" doesn't prove anything and lacks a warrant. Tell me why it is ridiculous without rainbow colors and in the first post that you talk about that post. If you don't have the time to do it now, then do it in full later.

actually, I could do more than this if there was more content.

11 pages isn't enough for you?

Read: 5 new pages with a lot of RVS and stupid stuff that is meaningless thrown around.

After reading that jumble of mess, all I have to say at the moment is
Why isn't foxface dead? Wasn't a daykill submitted on him? The mod posted, but no kill was made.

It's called shotty. You must understand that shotty says that he is homeless, a drug addict, has a job at windy's, and posts from a windy's POS. He is known to say stupid shit before, in and out of game.

@shadow, read: I was in this game before the re-boot. I have read the entire game. I WOLD HAVE HELPED GET CACHE FOR THIS GAME IF THE MOD HADN'T ALL READY GOTTEN IT. I don't feel like I need to comment on anything that I have already commented on when the "cached" pages were actually being made/"in play" before the crash. Also, do you know what the word "new" means? Serious question. Answer:

1. recently made: recently made, created, or invented
a new drug

Microsoft® Encarta® 2006. © 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

In fact that last quote was devoted to specifically addressing your post. Your posts 400 and 492 are answered by the above. Ohhh and your 522, 532, 555, and to a certain extent your 842.... let's look at 842:

@Shadow1psc - I reread CoolDog, here and in the other thread, and I don't get why you think he's scum. I understand your original point. I've seen scum in almost every game I've been in feign ignorance about the setup or some aspect that they should definitely know about, so it's good to be a bit weary about it, but the thing is it looks like pretty genuine confusion, and that coupled with his posts in this incarnation, which look quite town, I don't see the accusations. I don't know why you keep harping on it either. A good number of your posts are harping on CoolDog, this situation, and anyone who hasn't acknowledged it. Are you basing your suspicion of him solely on his confusion in the original thread?

Have you found that scum is more likely to not read the rules?

There's not much to go on day one. In my experience people will argue about mechanics, post nonsense, and scum will distance/bus hard, when/if they do post at all. A lot of day one is town pulling itself apart, and the smart scum will sit back and let it happen. My other theory is that scum are also much less likely to care about mechanics and reading first posts/rules because they being the informed minority already gives a sense of security imo. Now, you could say at this point then that why would someone on the scum team bother to question those rules, but then you have one of two things happening; a slip, or fake content. Nothing about CoolDog's posts have seemed genuine, and his general disinterest and ability to repeatedly slip under the radar until we banded together to actually form a train and get an inquiry going, which actually cause CoolDog to form some real responses to people was my goal, should be the goal of anyone playing. To get some content, to finally be able to tell if he is playing reactive, or if he's lurking, trying to avoid the camera eye.

This is also why I made sure to raise an eyebrow every time Magua called me passive. I don't get if he was trying to get a rise out of me, or truly believes that the way I have been playing is different than I normally play/worse than people like CoolDog's play. Passive/Reactive play isn't always a scum tell in and of itself. so I'm going to really take a hard look at CoolDog's responses to the train on him, but I don't like the people that amounted to it. It sprang up almost instantly because I called out someone for voicing suspicion, but not voting, and then snowballed to a strange degree that makes me re-think the wagons that were leading at the time.

Funny, that you accuse me of slipping under the radar when I have about 20 more posts than you (51 to 36). And my posts are constantly longer than you. And it is also odd that you call my play reactive when I have built reasonable arguments against several players (lemons, trekker, norman, etc.). I argue that you are lurking more than me (if that word is even applicable to both of us) and you are posting less varied content than me. You are simply reiterating the same false argument over and over again through most of your iso.

[CooLDoG]

testing?

[CooLDoG]

I might be having some posting problems... see help.

[CooLDoG]

@Mod, who is the hydra composed of

[CooLDoG]

Jesus I almost want to vote CD for stupidity.

While that is my general meta, I must ask, is this is in regard to the hydra thing?

[CooLDoG]

Then I know that it was about the hydra.

[CooLDoG]

@zde, would you put more effort into other people? We have heard every possible angle as to why you think tammy is scum. Yet your other suspicions are horribly underdeveloped.

[CooLDoG]

@mod, sorry for your loss

Can we please just lynch that?

Yeah, I agree with you here. If norman isn't even going to try to defend himself...

unvote, vote:norman

Please, please tell me there's a Vig out there.

Lately, I'm liking Greenknight as Town and MoI's arguments for Zdenek-scum.

Well if there is a vigilante out there I'm pretty sure he wouldn't kill such a fellow like myself.

After all I have no quarrel with him and he has no quarrel with me. You people however have problems.

Actually, you are an exceptional vig kill for the record.

Alright. Let's try something different.

Everyone:

That's every single other player in the game.
I want, in your own words, your summary of how the game has gone so far.
At the same time, I'd also like you to tell me how many scum you think are in the game--I know this game is a lil' unusual, but I imagine that there is a scum faction out there.
And of course, who they are--not a single person; I want you to give me a whole team. Plus of course the reasoning you think they're scum together.

Anyone:

Are there any claims I should be made aware of?

First pint:
BUNCH OF NOISE. You can't arse anybody here to post content.
also, I would say 6 scum, 3 to each side.

MATIN PLEASE LICK MY NIPPLES

I support this.

@mastin, qts? did I miss something? Also, I'll get you some more later if I can.

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@Tammy

- Very serious question ... you are in NO danger of any serious wagon at this stage. Why do you care that obv-scum Zdenek is twisting in his attack on you? Very few players seem to be giving him any credence?

After the sixth post on tammy I quite reading his arguments on her to be honest. If we are forced to pick between the two zde should go, but I don't think he is the best d1 lynch. He is at least generating, albeit repetitive, content unlike some of these other guys.

[CooLDoG]

He could be paranoid scum.

But in all honesty I don't see anything wrong with tammy. I see that she is getting bogged down a bit by all the redundant questions that zde is asking. Pro-tip, if he keeps asking the same thing just quote your previous post and say, "here it is dip shit, deal with it". What are your scumspects btw.

[CooLDoG]

^sad but true. We really do have to have a d-1 lynch. I will be willing to vote for fox due to deadline pressures.

[CooLDoG]

Splitting up these posts to avoid 500 error. See help forum!

He could be paranoid scum.

But in all honesty I don't see anything wrong with tammy. I see that she is getting bogged down a bit by all the redundant questions that zde is asking. Pro-tip, if he keeps asking the same thing just quote your previous post and say, "here it is dip shit, deal with it". What are your scumspects btw.

What redundant questions have I asked her?

Your points on tammy are always the same. Whenever you quote tammy I literally don't have to read your post in order to know exactly what you are going to say. It is always the same music: "Tammy, why did you ask so many questions" "Tammy, why did you ask those people s many questions" and the like. I didn't buy it the first time I'm not going to buy it for a while if you keep saying the same thing. Try to not tunnel on one player, it really limits your usefulness and it is

slightly

scummy sense it takes a lot less effort than actual scumhunting. See if I don't buy your tammy case (I don't) then all of your 20 posts on her were wasted. I don't see a tammy wagon, so it looks to me like you wasted a lot of our time talking about stuff that no one was going to support, and you weren't convincing enough to get us to support it after the 15th wall post on why tammy is scum.

@tammy, don't respond to his shit, please. You crowd the thread with even more noise.

Can someone tell me how to post more than one quote in a post? Is there a multi-quote function or do you just copy and paste or something?

What I do is right click on the quote button and click open in new tab. Then I copy what is inside of that new reply into my real post's reply box.

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Spoiler: zde's next wall on tammy

Almost every single thing you have brought against me has been your willful and deliberate mischaracterization of my actions and words. You've selectively quoted things to make me look a certain way which is completely opposite of my intent, and every time I've tried to explain it to you, you ignore it.

Examples or shut up.

LOL at the idea of our scum team. Seriously, there isn't an emoticon that can clearly show the fits of laughter this has put me into.

Okay Tammy. Who else is scum and what are the teams?

I didn't say that it changed my town read, just that it was a bit jarring.

Then what did you mean when you said jarring?

Are you suggesting that someone who does not share the same opinion of you is suspicious?

No. I've explained this already.

If you do happen to be town Zdenek, you really need to remember that this is a team game and you need to figure out a way to work with your team.

If you are you are town, then you are too stupid to be playing mafia. I do not know who is scum and I do not know who is on my team. The fact that you think that you are trying to make me look bad for this ridiculous reason is another reason that you are scum.

Can someone tell me how to post more than one quote in a post? Is there a multi-quote function or do you just copy and paste or something?

quote tags.
Also if you select text and hit the quote button, if will only quote the selected text.

There are more posts of me talking about AVox in the thread you know. There's also one more statement that you clipped so as not to include in this post. That statement would be me questioning your claim of AVox's buddying. INTERESTING how you fail to include that.

Direct me to the quote that I omitted that explains how your read on him developed. You asking a question, is not the same as you taking a stance.

How is post 419 relevant at all to your summary?

It shows Shadoweh saying that she thinks that AVox is scum, and you have no problem with her reasons when she gives them, and then later when I present them you say they are all crap. You don't even question her read.

I...changed my mind? That I remembered having an impression of someone that was suspicious from the old thread, but then after I got a chance to reread that thread...changed my mind?

Then explain how your read changed.

Spoiler: zde's wall on tammy before that

2. Nice of you to once again clip the portion where I tell you that what you said about AVox was crap. I never once denied agreeing with you that his fearmongering statement was bad, but once again, I'm within my rights as a rational human being to believe that just because I agree with you on one aspect of a read does not mean that I have to agree with you on the entire read.

I'd like to summarize Tammy's positions on AVox throughout the game, just so that they are clear to everyone. Hopefully, they will also make clear one of the reasons why Tammy is scum.

MoI: I have actually, he was scum in the first Newbie 1180 we played together. Unfortunately Tigers ate everything after Day 1 so you can't see exactly how British he is. (Or that he's scum. O_o DarthYoshi is his partner). I've read him as town since Post #164. He sounds downright goofy in it and the language is the same he used in NY 147 Vanillaside. (which does not exist -_-) Basically as town he's not careful with his language.

Sigh. Rereading the old thread I actually had these same concerns about Lemon just being an easy target. I supose for a scum he'd be pretty committed to pissing people off, and he has actually put down an original vote now. I will entertain the idea that he's the same class as Norman right now.

Obviously Bards. Only bards could be this useless.

On the other hand I also recall the problems Zdenek is talking about with AVox. And agreeing with them. And thinking Zdenek was town. <_< Rereading is your friend!

##Unvote
##Vote: AVox

Cut: Norman stop posting.

I kind of want to vote you just for what I bolded. I've played a bard before and was anything but useless.

I want to put this here to demonstrate the severe asymmetry in Tammy's responses. Here she says nothing about AVox or the reasons that Shadoweh thinks that he might be scummy.

AVox - Didn't like his attitude in the last thread and certainly don't like that he hasn't made an appearance here yet.

AVox shows up in her top three scum list.

I agree that the fearmongering quote was bad. It's one of the things I don't like about Avox.

She agrees with me about the fear mongering.

Oh MoI - I said that AV was 3rd on my scum reads earlier. I retract that now. I've had chance to re-read him in the original thread. I still don't like his position nor do I like his attitude or the fact that he hasn't shown up, but obnoxious doesn't mean scum and I want to see what he has to offer. I like some of what he says, and am really hating the two that are on his wagon.

Now she backtracks. Still saying that she doesn't like his position and she's vague about the things that she likes. This is an incredibly weak argument for changing a read.

4. Why should I vote AVox? Because you say so? Give me a better reason than OMGUS. Give me a better reason than the crap you provided

Is where she finishes off.


This represents an irrational change of a read, and it's one of the reasons that Tammy is scum.

[CooLDoG]

See zde, they are basically the exact same thing. Stop doing it please. You are hurting the town with your silly 40 page long tunnel vision. Hint: I'm not reading another o ne of your posts with a tammy quote in it. Period, it is just a gigantic waste of my time.

Is it really too late for a trekker wagon?

vote:foxface

We simply can't have a no lynch and this might be the last time I get to post before deadline.

[CooLDoG]

I could happily go with a zde lynch. I actually think it might be slightly better than a fox lynch. However, with the new deadline extension I can be around to switch my vote in time.

unvote, vote: zde

... obv, massive TV scum is obv. I think that pretty much sums up what I think of zde. Non contributor after about page 10 due to only talking about tammy.
@trekker, what was the point of your last post? Scum/vig (if you are there, please be there), for the love of god shoot this guy.

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@Mastin, huge redundent walls a bout the same person over and over again is not contributing to the town We heard it the first time, no the second time, no the 16th time. He would also hurt the town by being affected by confrimational bias[/b]. Which we sorta all ready see by virtue of him attacking tammy's defenders.

I could happily go with a zde lynch. I actually think it might be slightly better than a fox lynch. However, with the new deadline extension I can be around to switch my vote in time.

unvote, vote: zde

... obv, massive TV scum is obv. I think that pretty much sums up what I think of zde. Non contributor after about page 10 due to only talking about tammy.
@trekker, what was the point of your last post? Scum/vig (if you are there, please be there), for the love of god shoot this guy.

I'm marking this for the post-flip. It's so wishy washy it hurts.

Have you been reading my posts, like at all? Go back and read my last 5 posts. Didn't I have one of those "short dialogs" with zde about his TV problem? Didn't I also say that I was voting for fox due to deadline pressures and that I thought we could get a better lynch? Like, really read your top suspect's posts

or get the fuck out

.

While we are talking about zde, let's read his tammy wall... actually, I'll just put it in spoilers and not read it because I know it will just be yet another long string of "damning quotes" with "accusations of scummines" in it.

Spoiler: how many of these can you actually write in one game day???????????

Tammy, you still haven't said what your reads are.

Now, I also want to know how your questions helped you arrive at them.

Look at post 531 in which I discuss my thoughts on Greenknight and LMP, which came directly from the questions I asked. Look at my read on you, which came directly from our discussion. Look at post 697, which came directly from questions I asked - I have a fairly decent town read on Shadow1 from the responses to my questions as well. Look at post 151, which came directly from the questions I asked. I don't have a read on GNR as he never answered my question. Look at post 644 in which I give a town read on Pine.

Everything is there if you actually read. You've been hounding me for over a week now Zdenek. I've repeatedly mentioned how bad of a distraction this is, not just to me but to the entire game. I've given reads all over the place. I may not have a whole lot, but this has become such a distraction that it's hard to focus on anything. Every time I come in here and try to read the thread and contribute, there's more hounding by you repeatedly saying I'm doing something I'm not doing. I can't continue this argument anymore, please stop. Let me breathe and read the thread without your clutter so I can give reads.

So you have no scum reads from the last 1/2 of the game?

It's not my job to make the game easy for you. Under what little pressure I've managed to put on you, you've stopped scum hunting almost completely.

Jesus Christ Tammy needs to be lynched.

It was actually stupid of me to say that I would just vote where BB had it in that one post.

LOL Backtracking.

I have given reads and interacted with other people, but I'm not going to lie and say that I've given the rest of the game the focus and attention I should have if it weren't for me being caught up in a disagreement with one player.

Paving the way to take whatever stances she deems to be convenient tomorrow.

I could happily go with a zde lynch. I actually think it might be slightly better than a fox lynch. However, with the new deadline extension I can be around to switch my vote in time.unvote, vote: zde... obv, massive TV scum is obv. I think that pretty much sums up what I think of zde. Non contributor after about page 10 due to only talking about tammy.@trekker, what was the point of your last post? Scum/vig (if you are there, please be there), for the love of god shoot this guy.

What the fuck is this nonsense. WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE LIKED ME TO COMMENT ON, YOU CLOWN?

Tell me what the town motivation is to get someone to stop asking questions who is trying to generate discussion and find scum? I can't think of any.

TO GET YOU TO TAKE STANCES YOU DUMB, SCUM FUCK.

I didn't suggest that's what was going on in his mind; I didn't even take a stance on that. I told him why he shouldn't be ready to lynch himself. EXCEPT maybe in the case of a distraction that no one else could focus on. I don't even consider him a distraction and I don't know how he could consider himself a distraction.

So, are you telling me that when a player tells you they're a newbie, you don't give them advice for what are basic issues in a game...explain the mechanics of the game...or tell them why they should or shouldn't do something.

You gave him an out - an excuse for why he was playing like that. It's ridiculous considering the fact that is most other instances you just ask questions.

It's not my job to give suggestions to possible scum in the middle of the game.

never been a huge fan of this... but this uses the QT code for boldings. Also, didn't norman say something about day talk. Again, not a huge fan, but it's worth posting:

<b>@Mod</b>

I just don't have the time for this game right now so I am going to request a replacement.

<b>@MoI </b>

If you want me to place my vote somewhere else then fine....


UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tammy

I haven't read too much into zd so I'm not sure about his alignment. From what I have read so far though, my three highest scum reads are Pine, Tammy, and Cooldog.

[CooLDoG]

The problem comes when you make your whole case about a misinterpretation and then drone on for 30 pages about it. That is such an easy way to appear like you are generating content.

[CooLDoG]

@Tammy, too late for that. You have two choices at this point. Pick one.

@Mod

Well fuck....
I didnt know that youve been rplacing people this whole game. I guess I'll stay but I cant be as active. Ill be able to make a few posts every 24 hours but not that much.

I don't know where you come from but a few posts every 24 hours is good.

Also, tammy, you have thought zde has been scum for pretty much the better of 20 pages. Why the change now?

[CooLDoG]

Guys

Guys seriously

Tammy is town

this.

vote:trekker

Explain your reads and why you haven't been contributing.

[CooLDoG]

Hmmm...

Okay let's do it this way

I want everyone to state whether they think the Doc should keep quiet or out his protect.

And that means EVERYONE

Why should the doc come out? What positives can the town gain from a doc claim?

[CooLDoG]

Hmmm...

Okay let's do it this way

I want everyone to state whether they think the Doc should keep quiet or out his protect.

And that means EVERYONE

Why should the doc come out? What positives can the town gain from a doc claim?

Did i ever say doc should come out? or did i say tye exact opposite?

CDscumdie

vote: cooldog

So your question was just an elaborate mind game to make me ask why the hell you were asking if the doc should claim? And that makes me scum, how again?

@trekker, Answer my two questions.

[CooLDoG]

Also, empking, reasons for your vote? I can address anything thing that bothers you.

[CooLDoG]

Wait. How was what I said remotely role fishing?

[CooLDoG]

what are your question

Why are you voting me? And why are didn't you contribute d1?

[CooLDoG]

A quick skim says this day is off to a horrible start. Let me try to reconstruct things.
"Do you think the doctor should out themselves?"
"What, why would we want the doctor to out themselves?"
"OMG COOLDOG WANTS THE DOC TO OUT THEMSELVES"
##Vote CoolDoG
##Vote CoolDoG
##Vote CoolDoG

This is incredibly stupid. CooLDoG hasn't stopped being town from yesterday.

##Vote: AVox

Actually it's more like this:
"Should the doctor claim now?"
"Why the fuck are you even asking that? What can the town gain from a doc out??????"
"Hah, you are scum because of my mind games I played on you!"

See, I don't really buy the argument that because I acted like a responsible townie (your words by the way) that I am scum.
Question: Why did you ask that question? Was it a trap set for "responsible townies"? Give me a break.
Also, why would you ask people to weigh in on something that you wouldn't be willing to do?

Seems odd that you would initiate a discussion on something that you didn't want to happen, because it seems to me that talking about a doc claim will raise the probability that the doc will claim.

Waiting for trekker to answer my questions.

[CooLDoG]

One
I've never said doc should claim and I'm not trying to get the doc to claim
CD mudslings that this is what I've said and lo and behold a bunch of people assume he's actually basing his argument on fact

Two
CD's response to the question was REALLY blatantly feigned.
It is artificially constructed. It's a tone thing.
It comes down to, town would read the thing. I concede that they might not see the value in it. But they'd at least read it properly because they want to know if I'm scum.
(And before anyone throws the "2 scumteam" business as a counter, let me say this: scum DONT WANT other scum lynched. They want their matching town group lynched. So although scum have a tad more motivation to "scumhunt" than normal, they ALSO have motivation to try to get the townies lynched)

However CD capitalised on the doctor talk to mudsling that I'm scum. It's FALSE and CONSTRUCTED and he's using it to FUEL AND PUSH a mislynch wagon.
He's trying to create a counter-wagon, to secure a mislynch in place of us taking him OUT of the game.

Okay here's the deal:
Recently I play it by gut picking up on things like tone. I don't normally explain it very well because as you can see from the above its hard to explain AND it also can look like stretching.
But, here, I have given it a go.

You don't have to like the explanation
You can lynch me
But that doesn't change the fact that I'm town AND that CD is stinky.

Interesting question that I must ask you: Did I ever say that you are scum? Did I vote for you?

@Green, that is part of the reason why I asked the questions that I did to AV. Probably due to the paranoia associated with this game he read too much into them, but why did he ask that question? What would motivate him to entertain such a notion when he himself didn't agree with it? These are things that have yet to be answered. I would really like for him to answer them.

its CooLDoG

Answer my two questions. I have no idea how people are actually letting you get away with saying absolutely nothing.

It makes no sense because MoI is regularly killed early in games, so he is a bad choice of investigation target. Also practically the only use of Pine's ability is to verify if someone is telling the truth when claiming and it's highly unlikely that MoI was going to be forced to claim anytime soon.

Sorry, but this is sorta bullshit. He gets killed in many games for a reason, not because he gets killed in many games. That reason is probably because he is an obv townie in every single one of them.

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O noes! You actually followed through with the OMGUS you've been spouting all day

I'm not sure you know what omgus means. I think zde is actually legitimately voting for you. Saying that it is omgus is not a valid defense...

LOL at pine-scum trying to write my vote off as OMGUS.

It's cute, but he's scum.

Zde is now doing a better job at scum hunting. There were actually a buttload of better cop targets. I think we can all agree on that. I was just pointing out that your reason why moi was a bad cop target is flawed. Anyway.

Also, association tells should be talked about before any flips happen, however we really can't prove anything until one of the two flips. I'm not sure if what MoS is saying is enough in isolation to justify my vote foe either zde or tammy.

@Pine, wouldn't it have been better to try one of the really scummy people? Wait, your role doesn't detect scum it just detects if they are part of your faction or not (chaos/law). Man that sounds like a scum role to me. That really is a scum role. I can't find a town usefulness for it.

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O noes! You actually followed through with the OMGUS you've been spouting all day

I'm not sure you know what omgus means. I think zde is actually legitimately voting for you. Saying that it is omgus is not a valid defense...

Saying I'm scum because he disagrees with my investigation choice is not a valid offense...

Look. I'm entirely comfortable with you not believing me. I really don't care. My role is what it is. My role DOES NOT detect Good/Evil. It detects Law/Chaos. In other words, I can detect opposed/unopposed.

My point, your role doesn't really help the town. Why would a non-bastard mod give town a power role that they really could only use to check claims with? And any sane scum would claim the correct alignment because you claimed your exact role with

one

vote

on you

. SO your role has zero usefulness for the town. It would be useful for scum, seeing as it lets them pick their night kills more selectively so that they win the game faster. Scum like you should think more about what they are going to claim, and when.

unvote, vote:pine

Trekker: I still want answers.

[CooLDoG]

My point, your role doesn't really help the town. Why would a non-bastard mod give town a power role that they really could only use to check claims with? And any sane scum would claim the correct alignment because you claimed your exact role with

one

vote

on you

. SO your role has zero usefulness for the town. It would be useful for scum, seeing as it lets them pick their night kills more selectively so that they win the game faster. Scum like you should think more about what they are going to claim, and when.

It's a perfectly reasonable town role. Did you not follow the discussion in the old thread surrounding alignment claims?

Right, but now that he has claimed it sorta nullifies the role. And plus I really do fail to see how it could be that useful in the hands of town other than checking if a claim is correct or not. But even then I really don't see why any townie or scum would need lie about if they are chaos or law. Especially now that everybody knows that their claim will get checked by the d-1 1 vote claim cop over here.

@tammy, you do realize that I don't read many of your posts because they are all about arguments made against you that I don't care about. Try to stop getting in these huge long discussions with people. It just eats up site bandwidth. Scum hunt more instead of being supper reactive all the time. Also, after you have answered his points once don't re-answer differnt flavors of the same questions. Just re-quote your post and say here is your answer.

Maybe zde could be right about tammy being scum (for the wrong reasons though). Tammy does a lot of defending without much hunting. She all ways seems to be making huge posts about why

she

isn't scum. Seems like a really easy way to look like you are posting content when in reality you are just talking about the same thing over and over again.

Tammy, scum suspects with reasons. And, if possible, quotes showing where you have scum hunted on them.

[CooLDoG]

CoolDog - Perhaps you haven't seen them because you don't read my posts. If you read my posts you'll see that I've given suspects in posts 531, why I think Pine is town in 644, read post 697 for more of my thoughts, read 1205 to see my thoughts on why Zdenek might be town as well as the structure of this game, and post 1209 for the reads I had at that point, not to mention my current stance on Zar. You could even look back to where MoI pointed out that I had taken strong stances on people.

But touche CoolDog - I'm seeing a lot of focus on trekker. Are you telling me that when someone comes up with a theory for why you are scum, you aren't going to point out where they are wrong? Why keep asking trekker to tell you why you are scum then?

Are you now deciding maybe I'm scum because I disagree with your stance on Pine's role? You might fail to see how it could be useful, but that does not mean he's lying to you about it.

Let's examin this then. I ask you for reads as of now and you link me to your reads about 861 posts ago Which is about midway through this game (meaning that now we have double the content of before, plus two flips). Then you give me more reads that are about 700 posts old which is also about half way through the game. Then we have the sorta flip flop on zde (that we have heard over and over again that he is scum) And then in your 1209 we have a bear bones scum list that you have put little attention on through out the entire game. I see no quotes for any of them. I do not see any case on anybody there. Also all of this was before we had two flips.

About me being your boss, sorry to break this too you, but I have a vote, and you can't show me that you have contributed to this town and actively scumhunted more than one person in this game I am more than willing to vote for you. And quite frankly, if you can't supply answers to my quires I will avidly push for your lynch. Sorry, but this game ain't pretty. Withholding information and making bullshit excuses such as, "you are not my boss" will get you my vote. Still want those scumhunting quotes on your reads from 1209, please?

That is one problem that we have in this game. People aren't as proactive as they should be. Trekker/norman/tammy/zde/MoS(up until about now)/hell even foxface to a certain extent are either hard TVing or just not actively scum hunting. We have a lot of sheep in this game. Probably too many sheep

[CooLDoG]

Just caught this: bear should be bare.

[CooLDoG]

^a townie reaction though... I'm really going to have to do some thinking about tammy.

[CooLDoG]

I always use cop to detect people that I think are scum but can't prove that they are. See Mortal Kombat mafia (if it exists after crash).

[CooLDoG]

Still want a dead Cooldog

Why? Also, trekker alt?

@GK: I didn't join the conversation because I was simply busy at the time. The reason I didn't pop out with my result right away was because I wanted to check and find out if I was blocked or not.

@CoolDog: Then you suck at being a Cop. The examples of people investigating their top suspects, getting an innocent, and just assuming Godfather are endless. Meanwhile, the people they have no information on continue to have no information. The best move is to investigate unknown entities, period.

I won't be continuing this discussion about the validity of my choice. It's wasting time, you're not going to change my mind, and is better reserved for MD. Hint, I won't engage you on it there either. Go read Mastin's article, he's very thorough.

Gotcha here. If you look at the game I told you to look at I did

not

assume that one of my innocents was scum. Actually he did turn out to be scum, but that isn't the point. Also, show me a quote where I said to go for your top suspect. Really, find a quote on me.

Pine could be:
really durpy cop
really durpy cop scum
scum trying to look like a durpy cop
A vanilla townie who is really fucking retarded.

My bet is on number two at the moment. Am I voting for pine?

unvote, vote: pine

am now.

[CooLDoG]

Eh, I don't think Pine's the play for now. He could have just said he got a result on MoI...I don't think Pine-scum would have gone to such lengths to make up a fake RB claim, only to say that he investigated the dead guy and catch heat for that. The only way Pine-scum would claim he investigated MoI is if he was the one who made the kill and was afraid he got tracked last night. However, that would be a colossally stupid move for the scumteam to let Pine make he kill, so I really don't think it makes sense for him to be scum right now.

Okay for pine to be scum these are the possibility:
Pine is not a cop and is covering his team's night kill.
Pine Is a cop and actually did target MoI (for whatever reason) but his team's killer got role blocked.
Pine is a cop did not target MoI teams kills MoI and he doesn't want to out his real result.
Pine is not a cop and is just pulling this stuff out of his ass.

I think those are enough ifs to make it serious possibility. Also, pine may not be a stupid as you think he is. And his team might have helped him with his faked results... Keep in mind scum is a team game.

So let me get this straight.
We jump on a CD wagon,

and he claims cop

. Is this the same alignment as Pine?
Then he votes pine.
Well.

That is sorta news to me. Also, about your next post. If you can't keep track of who claimed what I think you should re-read the game. Meaning its more than that.

@Cooldog: Gotcha what? I didn't even look at that game. Just believed what you said about it. As far as the rest, I was discussing theory, not your actions or meta.

Zdenek slipped in his first quote of 1413. Town has no idea about the NK patterns. I'm guessing here about the alternating NKs - note Zdenek's certainty of both teams getting kills each night. Boom, headshot

Well, see, you said that if you get an inno on one of your top scum suspects that you automatically assume "godfather!". I said that that was bad cop play and showed you a game where I personally didn't do that. Also, why would one automatically assume godfather? That pretty shitty cop play. As I have said.

Also, nobody attack tammy to see what content she can produce without a crutch.

Mmm, that was deliciously good timing. If I were MoI, I would probably say something like this:

I doubt very much it just happens to be coincidence that all of you suddenly found the thread without a Mod prod right after being collectively called out.

Why is it that they all ways show up when you call?

Well I'm keeping up, but I keep finding there's little for me to say. Here are a few questions I've been pondering, though.

Pine, do you realize that your reasoning for how your role should work is the exact reason why there was no mass role claim?

Everyone on the CooLDoG wagon, why do you consider CooLDoG to be scum? Also, what are your reads on AurorusVox?

Junpei, are you voting Mastermind of Sin as a policy lynch or do you believe he is scum?

I, for one, consider Mastermind of Sin, CooLDoG, and Tammy to be rather townish based on what I've been reading, and I think that we could benefit from some AurorusVox pressure.

Good luck with that one.

[CooLDoG]

So let me get this straight.
We jump on a CD wagon, and he claims cop. Is this the same alignment as Pine?
Then he votes pine.
Well.

I missed this. Where did you read it?

He didn't. I haven't claimed.

[CooLDoG]

There was a lot more there than just this thread.

I gathered that. I don't personally think those replace-outs are indicative of scum. Wish they could stay in though.

[CooLDoG]

Zar/Lannister is at least the second time I've heard a desire to split Lawful vs Chaotic attributed to me.

I don't want to do that, at least not on a large scale. It would be counter-productive for the many reasons already discussed. However, on the individual scale, if I can determine a person's threat/non-threat status, beyond the doubt that their simple claim gives, I'm going to do it.

@Zdenek: I can't read? I notice you don't actually refute the point, you simply say "NOPE, LOL". Care to show me where I'm wrong? And remember - you're limited to Town's uninformed perspective.

Threat/non threat from what perspective.

Can't find it? Like I said, it's after the first quote of 1413.

The scum factions both get NK's so I have a hard time swallowing this as a reason to not use your ability to check claims.

That is a hard core scumslip right there. Town DID NOT KNOW that both scumteams got kills every night. Hell, I was assuming they didn't, as that's pretty unbalanced. But hey, this is an experimental setup, so I'll forgive the mod that mistake, even though it's probably going to result in a scum win.

Actually from what the mod has said and the rules it seems like a pretty fair assumption to me. Also, why are you trying to grasp at *thin* straws now?

my vote stays on pine.

Haya LB, what do you think of pine?

[CooLDoG]

Chaotic Good Bard. I Detect Law every night, and learn whether the person is Lawful or Chaotic. I investigated MoI on N1, but was roleblocked. I checked, my ability was set to resolve before the kill,

so the LE team definitely has a roleblocker.

PE: I ignored you, Mhork, because you were simply wrong. I have no desire to split the Towns on large scale, but if I can clear a few individuals for my team, I'm damn well going to do it.

hold up. Why could it not have been a role block from CE?

[CooLDoG]

That is assuming that he isn't bullshitting us.

[CooLDoG]

Ohhh right, I forgot that you motherfucking claimed your exact role with only one vote on you.

I do agree, pine is thinking through his shit. A perfect scum claim indeed. In the next game that I draw scum in I am going to use this tactic. Lurk early on. Claim for a bullshit reason. Kill someone. Claim that I was role blocked. ???. win.

[CooLDoG]

Because his actions don't make sense to me from a scum perspective. Sure, he's not playing optimally, but I am totally following along with what his thought process is and why he's doing it, even if I wouldn't have played it that way. He's already claimed, so he's playing to his alignment by trying to figure out who's lawful and who's not so that he can go after the scummy players who are actually against his wincon.

He can then use his ability to investigate people who don't claim to be lawful so that he can find out if they lied and then lynch them.

This forces the scum team he's hunting to either risk lying and getting investigated by him or tell the truth about being lawful and then be subject to getting called out on scumtells. I just think the story of Pine-town makes a lot more sense than the convoluted things Pine-scum would have to make up to get where he is now.

Right, he isn't playing optimal town play, thus he can't be scum because this is not optimal scum play. Scum make mistakes, that is why we scum hunt. A perfect scum game will make this game more or less random. Plus if he can't play town optimally (your words here) why would you say that he would play optimal scum play?

On bolded. Well that would have worked had he not claimed with one vote on him. I can't stress this enough: HE CLAIMED WITH ONE VOTE ON HIM. Now that everybody knows that there law/chaos alignment can be checked they just won't lie. I fail to see how that ability can be used now. The only way we catch scum in a "claim-lie" now is a Good/evil/neutral cop. Or some sort of screwy power role detector. That's it. We just lost a big advantage because (again), HE CLAIMED WITH ONE VOTE ON HIM.

For the record, I don't believe his claim one bit.

Pine, question: How many people did you have undecided reads on at the end of day one?
Please, don't read too much into this question. Answer honestly because it matters. Also, make sure that you count lurker slots/unoccupied slots.

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@AV, what the fuck? I haven't claimed a power role!!! show me where I have claimed a power role. Hell, show me where

I have

claimed.

@Mos, scum have no reason to lie what soever. Why should they lie? Give me a reason why falsifying your Chaos/law attribute would help the scum. Keep in mind that even if one tam is close to winning the game there still isn't a reason for scum to fake claim because the game will continue after one team has won the game. Ohh, yeah, and even if we could force someone to fake claim it won't help, because pine has refused to use his power role to check fake claims, which is the only thing that his power role is fucking good for. Also, Scum will not fake claim their C/L attribute because pine has all ready claimed (with

one

vote on him).

@all, I ask you this: Would town claim a power role with one vote on them? Would town refuse to use their power role optimally even after it has been explained countless times how it is best used? Would town lurk all of day one, only coming out when his name was called?

If you can't answer yes to all of those questions, then you need to vote for pine. Because guess what, he has done every single one of them.

Also, ninja, Empking is another fucking lurker. He has yet to actually post in this game.

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Hell, forgot to bookmark. Will catch up in the morning.

This quote is a pretty good one btw.

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Briz, I love how your reasoning hasn't changed considering

I've outlined why CD is scum

, and the lack of such explanation was what you had fund scummy about me. In fact I gave those reasons in the very next fucking post after you asked for them.

@CD, orite, I thought someone said you claimed cop and I'd missed it. Mahbad.

Pine is probtown.

You did the bolded? Really, now. Right... uhh, well seeing as your case mostly revolves around me being a "scumbag bitch"... uhh yeah. I guess you did do the bolded. If you count a case to drunken ravings, yeah.

Empking is strongly playing to his Town meta. He's just someone you have to get used to.

After pine's scum flip we should lynch empking right away. This is a hard defense with bullshit meta. Didn't even site a game.

@AV, what the fuck? I haven't claimed a power role!!! show me where I have claimed a power role. Hell, show me where

I have

claimed.

@Mos,

scum have no reason to lie what soever. Why should they lie

? Give me a reason why falsifying your Chaos/law attribute would help the scum. Keep in mind that even if one tam is close to winning the game there still isn't a reason for scum to fake claim because the game will continue after one team has won the game. Ohh, yeah, and even if we could force someone to fake claim it won't help, because

pine has refused to use his power role to check fake claims, which is the only thing that his power role is fucking good for

. Also, Scum will not fake claim their C/L attribute because pine has all ready claimed (with

one

vote on him).

@all, I ask you this: Would town claim a power role with one vote on them? Would town refuse to use their power role optimally even after it has been explained countless times how it is best used? Would town lurk all of day one, only coming out when his name was called?

If you can't answer yes to all of those questions, then you need to vote for pine. Because guess what, he has done every single one of them.

Also, ninja, Empking is another fucking lurker. He has yet to actually post in this game.

This amused me. Read the bolded.

CoolDog, please read post 809

Yeah, two people voted for you. And then actually unvoted you before you claimed. So that's still one vote. But even if you are counting what "smart people are saying" most of them are just saying, "yeah, I guess I could go for a pine lynch.", "yeah, those points seem okay on pine", "I could vote for pine, but I like my wagon a lot better" "Pine is in my slightly scummy category after 4 of my other scum reads".
You were not under any pressure to claim. Nobody asked you to claim. You had one vote on you. You simply didn't read the thread because you don't give a shit. You literally do not give a shit about what is going on in this game. Naturally, your ears perked up when we started talking about you a little bit, and then you went overboard and completely overreacted. Because you don't care who we lynch, and you don't care who we are talking about. All that you care about is not having your neck inside of a loop of rope.

Also, it is also good to mention that you haven't done any real scumhunting in this game. That is mostly because you are too busy defending yourself and because you don't give a shit if the town finds scum or not.

I'm looking forward to mastin's reads...

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AV ignoring cooldog being obvtown is SCUMMY

I wouldn't say that. I would say that not even considering the notion is scummy. See, I have considered that pine could be town. However, I find that his chance of being town decreases with every post he makes. Also his claim simply doesn't make sense what so ever.

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I guess it might just be the way this game is set-up, but we do have a lot of lurkers.

@BB, when will you be able to play this game?

OMG, HE IS READING THE THREAD!

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I just got ninjaed by BB...

@bb, how often do you read this game?

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By the looks of it you're having an off game btw, MoS. I just turned to page 58 and you're calling Tammy scum and Junpei is calling you an idiot.

Junpei

.

I read stuff that says my name on it. I don't read walls containing context that I don't follow.

This isn't good. Scum reads, now.

I'm a rolecop. More or less.

Faraday, AV is Town. Trust me and I'll trust you. Here, I'll even take the first step.

Unvote
Vote: Brizingre

Faraday, ISO this scumbag and tell me if you see the opportunism that I see.

PE: What cognitive dissonance? If you were Chaotic, you wouldn't care either way if I were CG or CE. Ergo, Lawful. So you're either Lawful Evil and view me as CG Town and a threat, or you're LG and see me as CE and scum. You're really reaching now.

Actually, you are an alignment cop that isn't as useful. Don't try to misrepresent your own role.

More later!

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...and yet your reason for thinking I'm scum is because I'm voting you...very funny.

Nope. You're scum for voting a lurker instead of someone you think is scum.

Who said I didn't think you were scum?

So funny. Actually I would bet that there are scum hiding in the massive amount of lurkers.

Hi ya'll lets get this fustercluck back on track shall we? As a rule when I replace in I only read the last ten pages. This is what I have just done. If there is pertinent information beyond that, tell me and quote the area, I'll go back and re read it. Here's what I got from the last ten pages.

Mos Scum=Pine Scum
Mos Scum= Junpei town
Junpei Town= Mos Scum
Cool dog Scum= Tammy scum
HLScum=Tammy town
Tammy Town=HL Scum
Mos Scum= Zdenek Town
Zdenek scum= Mos scum
Empking= Town
Lost Butterfly= town
BB= possible scum (major lurking=BB scum)
Pine Scum= PV town
PIneSCUm =GV town
MOS SCum= BB Town

VOTE: MOS This lynch gives us a lot of information as well as likely being scum, lets get this rolling folks.

Pine claimed an L/C cop which can detect which of those the person he targets is. He claimed this role with one vote on him. Also, you were in a slot that was quite unstable. Nobody ever really had solid reads on your slot, at least to my knowledge. Also, what is your scum list from the last few pages. Association tells are nice, but are only really useful after we lynch someone. Also, evidence for all of these is sorely lacking.

What makes you think he lied about his alignment?

Do we really have to go over this again? He lurked all of day one only coming up when he perceived pressure on him. Claimed with one vote on him this ridiculous role that can only help to catch scum in a lie that they would have no reason to make. Then he refuses to use this role, and, by pure chance targets the player that dies. He says he doesn't get a result because he was role blocked...??? what the hell, you believe all of that?

We may be talking about different things though, is this the G/E or L/C?

PS: Tiphaine is Norman and is therefore town.

I could not care less if she vomitted liquid bullshit at this point

. MoS comes off to me as the new Sane Man so I will be very depressed if he's actually scum. Mr. Molla's posts above mine are worse then lurking. You've stated you're okay with an AV lynch, why? What has MoS done that's scummy besides voting you? Why is Tammy-Zdenek town-town?

Damn, and I thought

acid

reflux is bad. Also, I do not agree that norman is 100% clear. I really don't see how being a VI automatically = town play. Yeah yeah VI means village idiot meaning part of the town. But I'm using the term more generically. Scum are in the village now

Zdenek's obvtown too.

I'm making a list (Mina's checking it twice), we're gonna find out who's naughty or nice (or

lawful or chaotic

).

Why does that matter exactly. I thought that we all ready went through this twice. We need to be a cohesive town in order to win this game, not subdivided ad infinitum as to who we do and do not care about lynching.

Unvote, Vote: Zdenek

trekker alt?

@greenknight. An interesting idea to say the least. Very interesting. However, one hole is that he may lie and tell us that zde is who he claims to be and we basically just waste a lot of time and let possible scum pine get another result for his team. Plus, there is no grantee that he will actually target zde or that he wouldn't get "role blocked again". Quotations indicated that I think he is bullshitting us about the RB. He can just blame it on the other scum team.

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^ CooLDog - Can you tell me why he would lie about being roleblocked? MoI's alignment was made public upon his death. If Pine was going to lie about any of it, why not just say, "I checked MoI and he was lawful"? Why make a big deal about needed confirmation from Seacore on something first?

Scum coaching. Aliens. Pine actually playing well as scum.

Exactly. Not telling the truth about being role blocked is a great way for him not to reveal results to the town. It also allows him to investigate other people other than the people that we could possibly force him to check (as GK's idea mandates). It can get his team even more information while he continues to bullshit the town.

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BLARCH.
BB IS TOWN.
TAMMY IS TOWN.
PINE IS TOWN.
COOLDOG IS SCUM.
ZDENEK IS SCUM.
MOS IS PROBABLY SOME SCUMHUNTING 3RD PARTY THAT WILL RAPE US ALL.
KTHX.

Also

@mod: I'm going to be V/LA Friday-Mondayish

Do you have, I don't know, reasons for any of those reads?

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nah bro, reason has long since left this game, still wiating on tammy to get back to me on why she thought my list of thoughts was fake contribution .

Says the guy who has zero justifications for his relation tells.

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Sorry, I call'em how I see'em.

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^townposting

What? It is good town play to push a wagon that you do not have a scum read on when someone who you have said countless times is scum is still a leading wagon? Not sure about that.

Also, 2 of 3 is the most likely scum team configuration. Especially from what the mod said in the old thread.

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On a completely different note and I am terribly sorry for this but
My computers are locked iin my house as part of a police investigation so I am going to be V/LA for at least 2 Days. I'm likely to be around from other people's computers but for some reason I might not be concentrating on the game. >_> (reposted for informativve purposes)

Sorta funny that the only thing that is worth talking about after my last post is this. Hope everything goes well for you, innocent until proven guilty and all of that...

@Haze, yeah he could have thought that there were more votes on him, but had he read the thread he would have seen a bunch of unvotes. He would have also seen that no one asked him to claim. The thing was that he almost shit his pants because he thought he had been caught so he rushed into a claim that logically doesn't make sense. So once he survived (who is going to lynch a claimed cop d1? Even if the claim is 1000% bullshit) the day his team went into damage control and decided to go with the role block story. Well, he sorta also fucked that up by saying that he investigated MoI which is simply a Chubacca (how do you spell that?) defense. For me the whole pine deal simply doesn't make sense. And if it doesn't make sense you must lynch him.

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Tammy, for the purposes of scum hunting Pine's ability has one use - to determine if someone is lying about their alignment. Last night, he didn't do that when he had the chance to. His defense for his actions earlier today was tailored towards justifying why he didn't pick me: he voted me, he argued that it is bad cop play to check one's chief suspects (hiding behind Mastin's article, which probably doesn't even apply in this case, since Pine's not an alignment cop) , and when GK asked him why he didn't investigate me after I'd claimed, he said that he would no longer discuss his choice. The refusal to respond to that question shows that he didn't have an answer to it and the time for him to say that he didn't know that I claimed was then.

IIT we learn that Haze and CooLDoG are idiots and Tammy is becoming less likely scum every day.

This Pine wagon is fucking retarded and you should all be ashamed of yourselves.

All I see in the post of Tammy's that you are referring to is a defense of Pine, which is not a good reason to think that she is town.

Pine claimed yesterday to get the pressure off of himself. He wasn't lynched in part because of the chance to evaluate him based on his claim. It turns out that he's scum.

Mod: when one side leaves the game, what information about them will be revealed? Do the scum teams know what information about themselves or the other scum team will be revealed?

This. There is no way that that role is town. Also, Tammy, MoI investigation is horrible when there is only one "townie" use for your role and you refuse to use it there. Keep in mind

pine is not even a claimed cop.

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...

Hold up

Zdenek is making sense

He had the opportunity to check if someone was lying

and didn't

Has he tried to explain why he didn't do that?
Give me links, people.

You didn't realize that? Now we even have people who hard core defend pine going at him. Can we just lynch him now? Please. Like please? He really needs to hit rope.

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... Can we just end this and lynch pine all ready? Seriously, give me one good reason not to lynch you pine. You are basically telling the town that you are not going to use your role in the only way it benefits town. If that doesn't merit a lynch nothing on earth does.

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So i'm swamped until Sunday like with literally no time.

Sooooooooooo

I will read and stuff then but I will probably skim woo woo

anything I should know?

Yes a few things:
1 Pine claimed when he had one vote on him. His calim was a C/L cop
2 This game (as indicated by the mod) is sorta like two mini smashed into each other with multiple scum teams and multiple towns. General consensus is that it is 2 - 3 man scum teams on 2 - 10 man towns.
3 BB is lurking hard core. An donly comes out when he is called. However he is actually reading the thread.
4 ZDE and tammy both TVed each other all of day one. I think tammy is more likely to be town of the two. However, both being town is not out of the question for me.
5 Norman's slot is really really unstable. Nobody got a good read on him
6 We still have time to lynch trekker. Trekker has only posted some variation of "CD is scum" all game long with no justifications
7 Empking, to a lesser extent, has also done something similar to this. (VOTE XYZ with no justifications)
8 It has pretty much all ready been established that massclaiming is not a good idea
9 It has also been established that it is good for the town (as a whole) to hunt the evil players regardless of ethical (L/C) alignment.
10 Foxface was lynched pretty much due to deadline pressure.

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also, only one night kill.

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because as far as I am currently concerned I have 6 scum suspects, those two are obv either good or evil together.
until I become wrong, or something else convinces me, I see no reason to lynch anyone outside of my scum suspects. Clear? If I am wrong about one it will become more complex as I will need to figure out which other person I am wrong about and go from there. Of course actions in game may convince me as well, as I have said.

I'm pretty sure you don't know how to play mafia at all.

Pretty harsh, but no less true.

Uhh, yeah, if all of your reads are based off of association tells then they are all pretty damn weak.

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hey guys, norman has been threatening me, I don't like this, even though I offered him his spot back quite nicely, do you know how I may report this to the site administrator?

You could just use the report button. But... you won't get very far.

I'm looking forward to LM's reads actually. I think a good comprehensive reads post from a semi-lurker could do good for the game. I might try doing one down the line if I can find the time to read 70 some odd pages.

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Frackit I just don't know. You mhork, have started acting townie, so has MOS, and all of my connection tells are being called useless. I don't know what I should be doing Xx.

Don't use association tells till scum have flipped for now on.

@tammy,

in context

, his role can't be a town role. Happy?

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@mos, why is pine obv town. We have heard that phrase over and over again but we haven't heard much substantive arguments as to why she is obv town.

Also, bb wagon I could go with.

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4 days, 6 hours, 25 minutes before Night 2

This is where we really need to ask the question, "who should we lynch?"
I personally prefer a pine lynch. However, I could go for a bb lynch.

We really need to decide this now while we still have time left to talk.

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@mos, why is pine obv town. We have heard that phrase over and over again but we haven't heard much substantive arguments as to why she is obv town.

Also, bb wagon I could go with.

My god, are you even reading the thread? I have given you a TON of arguments as to why she is obvtown. Just look at my fucking ISO, FFS!

4 days, 6 hours, 25 minutes before Night 2

This is where we really need to ask the question, "who should we lynch?"
I personally prefer a pine lynch. However, I could go for a bb lynch.

We really need to decide this now while we still have time left to talk.

THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY THAT I WILL VOTE PINE. THE SCUM-DRIVEN APATHY TO DRAG THIS DAY OUT TO DEADLINE IS COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS, AND I WILL NOT FOLD TO DEADLINE PRESSURE TO CHANGE MY VOTE. I WOULD RATHER GET FUCKED IN THE ASS BY A MIDGET ELEPHANT THAN VOTE PINE TODAY. THIS LYNCH IS NOT HAPPENING ON MY WATCH.

Also, BBmolla is scum.

Okay we get it, you aren't voting pine. My first comment was just to say that instead of beating a dead horse and just saying that pine is town you should deliver more content.

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Briz - explain your probtown list.

I find their posts generally sensible and logical, or at least see town motivation behind them, and they're not doing anything particularly odd or scummy.

This lacks all specificity to each town rad as well as the fact that scum are going to try to be logical as well. But, it isn't worth a vote.

@zde, more elaborate reasons for Nach? or did I just miss something
@Chesskid, SHEEP, much?

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your insults irritate me, desist.

UNVOTE: VOTE: zdenek

This is pretty much the worst reason to vote for someone.

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Shadow why is cooldog scum? I forget and stuff, refresh my memory.

Them reasons for voting BBmolla certainly are reasons. They just happen to be pretty poor ones, oh well.

I think it was something along the lines of my posts are contrived and I'm not really adding content. And I'm lurking. And I'm not scum hunting. Something along those lines.

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... I think BB is a better candidate based off of that standard. Or the trekker slot.

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ehh fuck it.

unvote, vote:BB

Seems like we can all agree on this lynch, let's go for it. I still think pine is a better lynch.

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Also,

CooLDoG post count: 124
Shadow1psc post count: 72

Lurking I am not.

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your insults irritate me, desist.

UNVOTE: VOTE: zdenek

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@zde, sorry, too many goddamn replacements. Your reasons are valid for what he has posted up until this point.
Tiphaine, and

solid

reads?

BB/Nace/pine votes please.

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Has anyone played with lord mhork before?

Is he always this 'Kumbaya' like?

I was the mod of one of his games. He was an SK and played really middle of the road type of thing. Pretty good work for an sk if you ask me.

EBWOP: Sorry, that was poorly worded.

Mechanically

,

Bard doesn't make sense as alignment-detectors

, as they have no access to alignment-detection in core. From a

flavor

perspective, it does.

Like, can we still lynch pine now? If flavor is the only reason his role can exist can we fucking lynch him.

Mod, how close does your game's roles play to D&D rules? Meaning, if a wizard in D&D can't cast x spell, could he theoretically cast it in this game?

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THREAD EXPLOSION. Will catch up later!

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But BBMolla replaced Skenvoy, who if memory serves was as good as confirmed town in the original thread.

Skenvoy looked town based on 5 (out of 88) pages at the start of the game where he was under no pressure at all, so his replacement gets a free pass?

AV's posts have had multiple towntells in them, and have overall shown a town mindset, bringing up multiple good points and in general being a fairly logical player, with solid reads.

You do realise this is still vague and non-specific? What did you make of AV's behaviour at the start of day 2 then, specifically surrounding the "doc claim" issue?

They have many posts containing towntells, solid reasoning, show a town mindset, bring up multiple good points fairly logically and have good suspects. Their wagon has most of my scumspects, along with many null or weaker townreads, making both stink of being scumdriven. Add in POE, and I have every reason to believe neither wagon's on scum.

Let's have a look at their reads then:

BB reads: Scum MoS/AV, town CD/pine/tammy

- the only one he agrees with you on there is MoS

AV reads: want to lynch Pine/BB/Mhork, backup CD, town tammy

- there's pine and CD scum so 2 out of 5

so I don't see where you're coming from with "they have good suspects." (also, they're voting each other, so you saying that they have good suspects undermines your position that the wagons are scum driven)

As for logical posts/solid reasoning, those are not reliable town tells in themselves without associated flips because strong players are capable of making logical posts both when playing as town and scum. Not that BB has been making much in the way of logical posts anyway.

See the thing is.. you aren't doing anything to try and restart the Pine wagon or get your other suspects lynched (trying to arrange them into teams certainly doesn't count), you are just defending people, and your defences have little substance to them. The fact that you're even bringing up the idea of PoE on day 2 of a 26 player game reinforces that impression.

I don't think you actually care who gets lynched. So long as they're not on your team. After all, you can just defend people and have a 6/7 chance of looking good when they flip.

unvote, vote: Mastin

Why should I take time to make a long post when someone has all ready done it. I agree with this. However, I'm still going to have to do some thinking on mastin. Also, we have a deadline. Let's wagon people earlier tomorrow.

Post.

I'll do some ISOs and get back to this thread.

Don't expect me to read Butterfly correctly btw.

P-Edit: Dat timing.

Sure.

And people don't like trolling on the forums cause DIS SRS BUSINESS IF YOU CLAIM GODFATHER WITH FARADAY THAT AINT NO JOKE

BB's town y'all.

I fail to see how promising a re-read actually makes you town. Especially when he has a history of lurking in this game.

Why are people going off on random tangents like this so close to deadline? I'm not saying you have to pick one of the top wagons, but let's see some honest to goodness scumhunting, for fuck's sake! It seems like half the game isn't even trying and the other half is being retarded.

I agree on this one. Pick your damn wagons now. You should have done this before deadline got 2 days away.

Oy vey. I don't know if I'll have time to reread all this by deadline, it's my busy as hell part of the week.

*sigh*

Oh well, at least if I am lynched I didn't waste a bunch of time rereading just to die.

SO you will basically promise stuff, not do it, go back to lurking. This guy is a good d2 lynch.


Refgan is town, btw.

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Vote Count 2.12

CooLDoG (3) -

Nachomamma8, Moneybags, Shadow1psc

AurorusVox (4) -

Regfan, Feysal, BBmolla, Haze

Pine (3) -

mastin2, Lord Mhork, TiphaineDeath

BBmolla (6) -

Mastermind of Sin, Empking, AurorusVox, Pine, CooLDoG, Shadoweh

Mastermind of Sin (1) -

Junpei

Regfan (1) -

PeregrineV

mastin2 (2) -

chesskid3, greenknight

Shadoweh (4) -

Zdenek, Tammy, Lost Butterfly, brizingre1

(expired on 2012-04-22 00:00:00) before Night 2
With 24 alive, 13 are needed to secure a lynch.

This says, stop derping around and lynch BB.

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Investigated chesskid, roleblocked. On my way to practice, post later

What a waste of an investigation

Why didn't you check BB?????? WHY DID YOU NOT CHECK A CLAIM????

vote:pine

This troll dies today.

While it's awesome that Shadoweh came up scum, I'm really sad that people actually bought BBmolla's bullshit. His claim stinks to high heaven, and it's waaaaaaaay too convenient given Pine's claim. I'm strongly leaning toward him being the real roleblocker or scumbuddies with the real roleblocker.

Vote: BBmolla

Also, I've been musing over Shadoweh's claim since I caught up on the thread today. I think that Shadoweh was trying to draw out a doc counterclaim (thank god that didn't happen), and that that's why greenknight died, because he came out so strongly against the fake claim. I would also speculate that Shadoweh's team is the one whose kill failed Night 1, and that it was Shadoweh trying to kill Tammy. I think there's a decent chance that she claimed Tammy as her target in case someone had tracked/watched her Night 1. In my mind at least it makes me more comfortable with the thought of Tammy being town, since I find her unlikely to be Shadoweh's scumbuddy.

Agree. My internet was down during the BB claim so I couldn't comment then. Here is what I think about BB/Pine...

I think pine is scum. Put simply. His use of his role makes no sense from a town perspective at all. His role is more useful to scum than town. And he refuses to investigate any claims, the only town usage for the role. Every night he claims to be role block, and it just soooo happens that BB comes out and claims that HE DID NOT RB pine. Which is obviously what one would say if forced to claim a role blocker role. This means that there would have to be:
1 town ethical cop
1 town RB
1 Scum RB

Two role blocker, one scum and one town? Has there ever been a game like that? What is the actual likelihood of that?

I think both pine and BB are on the same team, and have the town not realizing what is happening. Our town is so derpy that they could fall for this.

Lynch pine, win the game. Simple as that.

Also whoever is actually roleblocking Pine is stupid as hell, there's no point in blocking him.

Unless you are scum.

Also the person I roleblocked may be able to confirm me.

...As a roleblocker. Which is a common scum role, which you want to out an information role for.

Stupid or scummy?

Scummy because it would seem to imply that he isn't worried about if his actions are hurting town, even in the idea of hiding/protecting power roles. Seems like he was worried that we wouldn't believe his claim.

Why would I roleblock someone who I think is town.

Because you are actually probably not town.

more later. Damn, this thread moves fast.

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Wow.....
If we're not lynching BB or Mastin, that^ goes next.

Ohh yeah, I forgot the very likly possibility that he is in fact not telling the truth about his RB. Actually, that probably makes the most sense.

CD, Pine is not scum. He makes terrible decisions with his role, but he is not scum. You however, I still believe are scum, but no one is interested in you, they'd rather chase down Mastin for being weird, or BB for his also terrible play/claim.

For those questioning my vote for Regfan, I just wanted it marked. We're at the beginning of another long day, and I don't believe he is town. I have no real arguments towards this just yet, he just pings me very wrong. CD's logic would be sound, but Pine is town, and because I believe CD is scum trying to turn our information around on us, I'm going to UNVOTE: ;
VOTE: CoolDog

How do you know that pine is town. Real question. Nothing he has done in this game has helped the town at all. If we have a flavor cop who is not going to target people who have claimed a certain flavor, then he needs to be lynched because there is literally no reason on earth or heaven or hell why a flavor cop would not target one of the two claimed roles. We explained to him d1 and d2 what he should do. NOPE, he doesn't do it. He goes on a targets irrelevant people that even getting a result on will not matter because he is a flavor cop (at least he says he is a flavor cop) and NOT A REAL COP. He actually had two claims that he could have picked to check. Zar's and BB's. He chose CHESSKID. What a horrible choice. But guess what, CHESSKID isn't a half bad scum kill now is it? Chesskid ain't going to draw a doc (sorry CHESSKID, but it just ain't happening this game) to block a scum kill. CHESSKID wagon will never get off the ground. Perfect scum kill target. And that is why pine tried (actually the investigation wen through) to target chesskid.

Pine is not town.

If pine flips scum will that make me town?

Also, your whole case is based off of one of my reads being wrong? What a lame ass case. Ohh wate the other part of the case was based off of me lurking, which is obviously false.

@pine, what use would a result on CHESSKID give the town? Wouldn't a BB or ZAR cop give us more info?

I believe they don't make sense from a town perspective: N1 fine, you can forgive based on him not understanding why he has that role (if he actually has it). But last night, no, we'd discussed why he should target players whose alignment was known and he STILL didn't do it.

The blocked part is what makes it safe. Unsatisfactory.

Vote for pine.

I'll hop on the Mastin wagon, is playing a lot like oppurtunistic scum.

And BBMolla's vote on me isn't opportunistic...how?

Cooldog:

So you think both Pine and BBMolla are scum. So why not join us on BBMolla rather than Pine?

Spoiler: rambling to reg

1) Can you link me to a game where you've changed your reads due to not dying N1/N2 as town?

Probably. I don't really remember any specific game where it'd happen, but there's likely a whole lot of 'em in New York. It's happened enough that it forms a HUGE part of the basis for my Thoughts While Isolated topic. Something which (as--among others--Junpei has pointed out) shows exactly what my problem is, in that I'm good at theory and say some pretty solid stuff, but suck at putting it into practice. The advice in there is (apparently) quite solid, but I have trouble following it all the time. And as part of my effort to better myself, that post has become effectively my bible for scumhunting.

If you still really want me to track down examples from specific games, I'm sure I can dig a couple up. I think it happened in OxyMoron, it mighta happened in Tricycle, it probably happened in that one large which GreyICE was in that I sucked, it's happened in AT LEAST one game as a hydra (possibly Palisade, but most likely, Calcifer), and I'm pretty sure that there are some notable aversions where the scum specifically decided NOT to kill me BECAUSE my reads didn't change as well. (I'm a grizzled old veteran. I've played in so many games the details of each game start to blur. )

2) If Tammy isn't mafia and you think BB is now, what are your overall changed reads?

I haven't double-checked the facts, yet, but I've been working off of Day3 play so far with my new reads. (This strategy is one of the things which allowed me to immediately nail the entire scumteam in Underground Mafia, after all--from just the content on the last five pages, I got correct reads on the entire playerlist. There's a reason that game's my strongest performance ever. ) I've got a kinda scummish read on Junpei, but it's not solid. Butterfly continues to ping my scumdar. Moneybag's posts look more like IioA than scumhunting, so he caught my eye as well. BBMolla's obviously also there. That'd leave one more. I'm thinking maybe Cooldog, but I'm not positive.

3) Why not elaborate on your change of thoughts in your vote post?

I can't remember the exact reason, but I believe I was short on time. The thought of being lazy also crossed my mind, as did the thought of waiting to see reactions to my vote. So probably, my thought process was,
"Alright, I'm leaving soon. I suppose I *could* put together reasons, but that'd be a lot of work when I have other things I'd rather be doing before I leave. Besides, I'll get better reactions this way."

A valid point. However, I have a stronger pine read than a BB read. Thus I go for pine.

Your analogy is false because me having a hat on does not mean I can't be in cahoots with the other kid.

Me confirming whether or not you roleblocked me does NOT clear me of being mafia. It only tells you if I'm a PR or not.
For that reason I am not going to confirm whether you roleblocked me or not. Nor am I going to confirm whether I know if you roleblocked me or not.


Radical thought here: we should focus on eliminating one group first (i.e. go after Shadoweh's buddies) because if both towns are alive in the long-term, our enemy faction comprise a lower% and we have a lower statistical chance of lynching them.

If we lynch all of one scum faction then half the town goes away. In the rules/mod posts.

Lynch pine. OR BB. I prefer pine simply because I have had a stronger read on him for longer. Both will work. Also it is worth noting that having a town role blocker is much more valuable than having a town flavor cop who refuses to use his role correctly (assuming both are town, which is the worst case scenario).

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How do you know that pine is town. Real question. Nothing he has done in this game has helped the town at all. If we have a flavor cop who is not going to target people who have claimed a certain flavor, then he needs to be lynched because there is literally no reason on earth or heaven or hell why a flavor cop would not target one of the two claimed roles. We explained to him d1 and d2 what he should do. NOPE, he doesn't do it. He goes on a targets irrelevant people that even getting a result on will not matter because he is a flavor cop (at least he says he is a flavor cop) and NOT A REAL COP. He actually had two claims that he could have picked to check. Zar's and BB's. He chose CHESSKID. What a horrible choice. But guess what, CHESSKID isn't a half bad scum kill now is it? Chesskid ain't going to draw a doc (sorry CHESSKID, but it just ain't happening this game) to block a scum kill. CHESSKID wagon will never get off the ground. Perfect scum kill target. And that is why pine tried (actually the investigation wen through) to target chesskid. Pine is not town. If pine flips scum will that make me town?

wtf is this shit

Insightful commentary. Basically Pine's investigations are not town play.

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@MOS, We have all explained to Pine how to best use his role, and he still hasn't, that is truly scum motivated.

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...if Pine was scum, why would he not just pretend to listen to us and claim OBVRESULT on someone who has already claimed their alignment?
.

That isn't a response to what CooLDoG said. CooLDoG said that action X is scum motivated because Y. You said that action X is not scum motivated because why wouldn't action X be action B. The issue here is that all that action X is what happened, not B. If action X is devoid of town motivation but has scum motivation, then pointing out another possible scum action in B does not change anything.

I disagree. CooLDoG is essentially saying that because Pine did NOT take action B, he's scum. I'm pointing out that *if* Pine was scum, the easiest play he could have made would be to do exactly what other people were telling him to do. Instead he chose to stick with his own plan, however much others disagree with it. I don't see the scum motivation in Pine's target choice.

Activly doing something that does not help the town is scummy. Elaborate on the Pine is town point. Show me town motivated actions,

not

the absence of scum motivations.

Also, I am saying that because Pine targeted CHESSKID he is scum.

@tammy, shadow1's case is that I am scum because I think pine is town. Thus, if pine flips scum I am town according to his premise.

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Compare:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3937720
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p3964313
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p3966003
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p3967119
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3967240
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p3967534
with
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p3998836
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4001692

He forgot that he was suspicious of Pine.

Unvote
Vote Shadow1psc

Good posting. Pine is still scummier.

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I just skipped ahead to this page, and read Zdenek's case on you in 2517. It has merit, you can't just brush it off with disdain. Explain yourself.

You're refuting my defense of you? This game.

coaching. You guys have a qt for this. Use it next time.

My scum team:
Pine,BB,shadow

lynch in that order.

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ITT, Cooldog admits he's only hunting for one scumteam and is therefore scum himself.

But probably Lawful Evil, and I'd rather lynch Chaotic Evil BBMolla first.

Nope, it is just that those 3 fit perfectly together.

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I just skipped ahead to this page, and read Zdenek's case on you in 2517. It has merit, you can't just brush it off with disdain. Explain yourself.

You're refuting my defense of you? This game.

coaching. You guys have a qt for this. Use it next time.

My scum team:
Pine,BB,shadow

lynch in that order.

Quoting it in case you missed it, there should be

no feasible way

that CD believes we're all scum, and is being lazy.

He does, because it fits perfectly.

Butterfly why aren't we lynching Cooldog?

Because there are way better lynches out there.

@tammy, yes shadow has been on me all game. His reason were that I lurked and generated no content. Odd because I have generated more content than him. This is the only un answered point that he has brought up, and thus it is the only point I really feel like spending any time on. Repeating myself doesn't help anybody.

BB/pine team is a good scum team. Pine knows there is a role blocker so he is immune to mass claim outing him (remember how much he talked about it???) and he gains validity when BB claims role blocker. Are BB and Pine making the whole thing up? I don't think so. I think that both players are telling the truth about their PRs. I think that Pine is a C/L cop and BB is an RB (other scum kill blocked n1 ????) both are scum.

Shadow1 (the shadow I am talking about here) is buddy up on pine when the going gets tough. And refuses to use his vote on any of the viable lynch wagons. He has tunneled me all game. And he hasn't generated mcuh content.

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Here is the deal. I'm trying to lynch optimally between two more or less even strength reads. If I'm wrong and both are telling the truth (highly unlikely) then Pine should be lynched over BB because BB's role is more useful to the town than a C/L cop who won't use his role properly. However, Both BB and Pine are excellent lynches in isolation, however which to lynch first in the context of the rest of the game... That would be pine in my opinion.

@Shadw, it is very very very very unlikely that there is a 3rd party in this game. Thus being actively anti-town = scummy in my books. Pine isn't a VI, he understands what is going on, and refuses to do the town thing.

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Right, so why am I scummy for thinking he is scum?

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Shadw, fair I guess.

I'm going to swap my vote for BB. I think he needs constant pressure.

unvote, vote:BB

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Unvote, vote Nacho

I thought you were okay Vote for BB or pine.

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Work of tomorrow, will get to this game then. I skimmed Tiphs case on Briz, it's good but I'll add a few more things to it then. People really need to move over to him though.

Also Pine needs to post a fuckload more in here, especially an explanation for his investigation choice.

agree.

Also, what is up with you guys? We have a really good lynch wagon here and you are going to go on one or two man wagons? really?

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Fine leave a scum RB in the game.

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Work of tomorrow, will get to this game then. I skimmed Tiphs case on Briz, it's good but I'll add a few more things to it then. People really need to move over to him though.

Also Pine needs to post a fuckload more in here, especially an explanation for his investigation choice.

As I stated on D1, I investigate people I have poor or unclear reads on. To be quite frank, I more or less picked at random from my large group of null reads. I was (correctly) anticipating a roleblock, so I didn't put a ton of effort into the decision.

However, I am anticipating the possibility of being freed up after a BB lynch. Can we get together a comprehensive list of who's claimed what?

How come we are not lynching this guy? Does he even understand his role?

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How appealing a trekker/nacho lynch is, but BB/Pine is tons tons better.

Pine answer my question. Do you even know what your role does? You do know that you are not a cop in the traditional sense of the word right? And you also know that you can't catch scum by just investigating them right?

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I mean the Nacho case is a comination of
Nacho is a good player and is VERY capable of being obvtown
and instead he's lurking his fucking ass off and being shady

This has to be the funniest case ever. I agree with you on your points. However, as much as I hate it I have to say that bb/pine is a better lynch.

Nacho/tp in my opinion will have to be lynched. It seems odd that both the new players are just as dysfunctional as the initial players in those slots.

[CooLDoG]

Were you born without any brains or did something happen after?

Technically he would still have to have a brain. You need a CNS in order to actually live.

Anyway. More BB/pine votes now.

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simply put? When I put that question to someone they are often incapable of giving me three concise sentances which effectively some up a case. When they can I put much more thoguht into their case than I otherwise would.

read the game better.

tammy's point is actually better than one at first expect it to be. However, I still think we have four great lynches. Two really shine as super optimal. Mastin lynch I'm just not feeling today. I think we still have a lot of un answered questions that a BB/Pine flip would provide the answers to.

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Briz I'm so so on. I was referring to the norman slot now occupied TiphaineDeath.

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vote for BB then.

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No, replacing should not be a free roll.

I'm going with my gut on this one VOTE: Briz.

How can it be a free roll if he isn't in the game anymore?

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Right. Why did you unvote then.

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Hate to turn up out of the blue uninvited but I, couldn't stay away, I couldn't fight it.

Wonderful to turn up in thread and see mastin is town.

I thought briz was town mainly for his interactions with norman. For while he could have put a vote and parked it, you see him originally making a bit of a odd comment (the troll or under-appreciated genius), voting for him after the lynch me bit, and then continuously questioning and asking opinions. I liked that.

Also, I'm going to catch up intermittently. But meanwhile, I'm going to be scumhunting from current shit.

TD's little "oh, i should unvote to give the replacement a chance" to immediate "fuck that, he's still scum" reads distinctly townish. Mastin trying to clear me based on arrogant assumptions is town as hell. Cooldog is very different than how I remember him.

Have you re-read the game? Also, a full list of reads would be fantastic.

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Shadow, I don't understand.

Also, Nacho has no scum reads.

I'd probably vote BBMolla before I voted Briz, but I'd till like Nacho dead.

Welcome to all the wagons that have been led on me. All of them by lurkers or people who really don't have a case. Let's stop talking about dumb wagons like mine a britz and let's lynch BB all ready. NO DEADLINE LYNCH TODAY. No stupid shit like what happened the last two days. Lynch BB now.

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@Pine, says the guy who doesn't know what his role does.

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Pine, the reason I don't think you understand your role is because you have never ever used it in a way that benefits the town. You quote Articles that mastin has written, but those are for normal cops. You defend our choices like you are a normal cop. You claimed that you are NOT a cop, you are a L/C cop. L/C individually has nothing to do with being Good or evil (town or scum).

Basically, you are acting like you have a role that you DO NOT have. You have also NEVER helped the town with your role. AND YOUR CHOICES do NOT make sense from a town perspective. Logical conclusion:

You are either scum, or you don't know what your role is. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Also, You literally have no scum reads that you have presented. And you have not made a case on someone ever. You are not helping the town in any way shape form or fission.

Lynch. His. Ass. Now.

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Pien, it is not opinion when it is true that your investigation targets do not help town.

@rest of town: Do pine's investigation targets come from a town perspective? And is he using his role to benefit the town?

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Compared to the revelation of completely new information

Explain the benefits of this information, please.

I don't have time to teach you how to play Mafia.

Suffice to say, information about hard-to-read people = good

The only way that your information will help the town is if one of those null reads would get run up to around l-1 and forced to claim. This makes me think that you do not understand what your role does. When if you did like the whole town (including mastin, your god) told you to do we could have either outed scum zde or confirmed him as town.

Also, your night actions are basically to spite the town? Right?

Pine really needs to eat rope here guys. BB is still a good lynch and all but could we please please lynch this guy?

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Right, and then be outed for an easy town win once the "other game" has been completed if you get what I am saying. In order for your scum faction to win you must lie, unless you think you can win first. Strategically it makes sense to lie sense it keeps you in the game after one side has one.

Plus, if scum didn't have to lie then Pine's role would have

absolutely zero

usefulness to the town.

mod, is this game considered bastard? Meaning will you give roles to people that they actually can't extract usefulness from? For example, enablers that have no "seed role", or third party cops with no third party."

If the answer to that question is no, then by using tammy's logic pine's role must be scum. If the answer is no then the only way pine's role can be used by town is to check claims, which pine refuses to do because he is scum. End of story, lynch pine if the answer is no to the above question.

If the answer is yes to that question, then I'll be happy to rethink my read on pine.

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Are you actually following the game here Tammy?

Scum HAVE to lie about their ethics.

Therefore, if he is telling the truth, he is town (unless he cocked up and told the truth, but in that case it'd be

obvious eventually

so no harm done).
Not that it matters since

Pine is scum

so.

Also, this.

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Why is everyone blatantly ignoring the fact that caught scum

did not, in fact, lie about alignment

.

CD's argument makes no sense. If Chaotic wins, all chaotic is removed, and we're left with a town that still has to actually figure out who their opposing scum is. In fact, anyone claiming Chaotic left in the game would instantly be outed.

Someone make a logical claim as to why anyone would lie about their alignment or stfu about Pine's role

.

Scum must lie or they get end gamed when one faction wins. Period.

Look here:
This is how the game works:
CE wants to kill LG, and LE wants to kill CG:

Code: Select all

CE   LE
   \/
  /  \
CG   LG

Let's say nobody lies and LG wins first. And one of the CE was forced to claim and DID NOT LIE.

Well we are left with this:

Code: Select all

CE
   \
     \
      LG

What the fuck? There is a chaotic town in the game? Auto-lynch. Scum has been lynched.

In order to avoid being auto lynched in the end game, scum must lie about their alignment. Period. If you want to win the game, you must lie as scum. AND, you must tell the truth as town. That's the only thing keeping pine's role a town role. Otherwise PINE MUST BE SCUM. Because his role has no usefulness to the town. Why would a non-bastard mod do that?

I'll repeat that:
PINE CAN ONLY BE TOWN IF THE MOD IS NOT A BASTARD AND SCUM ARE FORCED TO LIE. Period. That is the only condition where pine is town. But even then pine's role makes more sense for scum because they can plan their night kills with it. That's why all of pine's investigations are on "neutral people" which are great scum kills, and why he claims for there to be an RB because it lets him avoid giving out info to the town.

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EDIT: if your scum faction does not win first then you telling the truth in the early game basically spells auto loss for your team.

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Are you actually following the game here Tammy?

Scum HAVE to lie about their ethics.

Therefore, if he is telling the truth, he is town (unless he cocked up and told the truth, but in that case it'd be obvious eventually so no harm done).
Not that it matters since Pine is scum so.

I disagree with the bolded. It is risky to lie, it is risky to tell the truth. Lying runs the risk of being caught, whereas if you tell the truth, you're essentially gambling that the other team isn't going to win first.

Right, and then be outed for an easy town win once the "other game" has been completed if you get what I am saying. In order for your scum faction to win you must lie, unless you think you can win first. Strategically it makes sense to lie sense it keeps you in the game after one side has one.

Plus, if scum didn't have to lie then Pine's role would have

absolutely zero

usefulness to the town.

mod, is this game considered bastard? Meaning will you give roles to people that they actually can't extract usefulness from? For example, enablers that have no "seed role", or third party cops with no third party."

If the answer to that question is no, then by using tammy's logic pine's role must be scum. If the answer is no then the only way pine's role can be used by town is to check claims, which pine refuses to do because he is scum. End of story, lynch pine if the answer is no to the above question.

If the answer is yes to that question, then I'll be happy to rethink my read on pine.

Holy sweet Christ the badlogic and WIFOM in this post.

You have a 50% chance at a 100% chance of loss. Or a 0% chance of being found out because you are not using your role correctly and you refuse to do so. I'm taking the lie every single fucking time.

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Here is how pines' role is useful to town:

IF he had not outed himself, scum might change alignment names to confuse the town or to stage a gambit. However... there is one thing which I think we forget: We don't know scums' powers or win con. Those two things are very important in determining how useful Pines' role is to town. What I can say is that once outed, Pines' role can not help town further.

Exactly, but seeing how he outed himself with one vote on him...

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I really do think it is high time to lynch BB. H ehas contributed nothing to the game so far, and I really don't think he plans to. I think he is trying to pull a mastin on us by lurkering out of pressure...

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Junpei which person has more votes atm.

This is relevant only close to deadline. While I would prefer a non-deadline lynch, the number of votes on someone five days away does not really matter seeing as the prod date is well shorter than that and EVERYBODY must post at least once before deadline. We still have time to jump off our current wagons and lynch your scum bud.

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Well I'll save the acquaintance and tell you that Oversoul isn't someone who is going to turn a slot into super pro-town, especially in a 100+page replace-in game to a very suspicious slot.

Do you hold any qualms with my case on Briz?

Sorry oversoul, but he is right. Also, I agree with jumpi on the fact that replacements should not get a free ride. Right now my position on britz is unchanged. Null to slightly scummy. I personally think BB is today's lynch and I will be pushing for him to eat rope until he is either lynched or until I am forced to change my vote at deadline.

Please do not wagon or lynch me until I've read everything. I'm on page 15.

And if you guys are just going to lynch me tell me now so I don't have to waste time or effort.

This has to be the lamest defense ever. Just saying.

I feel bad lynching someone who just replaced in and hasn't had a chance to catch up. It doesn't feel right.

Is this a soft defense? Anyway, vote for BB today and then we can all talk about where to go next. I could go for both the nacho or britz wagon tomorrow.

BUT BB HAS TO BE LYNCHED.

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CD: not Pine tomorrow?

Ladies, come over here to the BB wagon.

I can get all over Nacho and Briz but not before the obvScum are taken out.

I will be willing to consider other wagons tomorrow, but pine will still be top of my scum list.

@over, he claimed a town RB.

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Yeah k, I'm a Lawful Good Wizard, with the ability "Hold Person," which makes a player unsuccessful at any Night action they try. AKA, Roleblocker.

For oversole.... Also, this guy needs to get lynched.

[CooLDoG]

Unvote, Vote: Nacho

Empinking, why do you suspect the people that you suspect?

Also, let's lynch bb. Seriously let's lynch bb.

[CooLDoG]

Oversoul is playing really hyper and defensive for someone replacing into a 122 page game where there were a couple lynch leaders ahead of him at the time of replacing him.

You may think I am scum, but this is the best description of the last few pages. More when I have time.

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BTW Note how BBmolla has gone back to lurking now that his wagon stalled and all of his posts have had minimal contribution. He's trying to fly under the radar and hope he survives another day barely. It's so obvscum that I'm absolutely shocked he's not dead yet.

This is correct.

Well I originally didn't want to vote him because he was a replacement who hadn't caught up. It wouldn't be right to do it, no.Now I'm not overly keen on voting him because he seems kinda townie, even though he finds me scum for really weird reasons. He keeps reiterating that we don't claim Law or Chaos, which I would associate with town rather than scum. At any rate, I want to evaluate him for more than a day.

His "Don't claim law/chaos" reads moreso as an attempt to force-town-tell rather than anything else, especially with the amount he's repeating it.

This BB lynch is so very wrong, look who is on the lynch and you'll see that. In case you're not sure what I'm talking about;

If

BB flips scum, what will your reads be?

Acted what way

This is what BB contributes to this game. Lynch now.

Cool, why did you begin that sentence with "you may think in scum"?

Because he has, on multipul occasions, called me scum. I don't want him to use this as yet another bullshit reason to stick on my wagon instead of hopping onto his scum bud BB. Which is what he is doing right now.

BB is obv scum guys. While I would like a nacho lynch BB really deserves it today. Let's lynch nacho tomorrow once we have a BB flip.

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Also the Nacho wagon has far more townie players than mine.

I "deserve" a lynch Cooldog? Explain.

You never asked.

This is the reason. We shouldn't have to ask you to contribute. The only reason you are contributing is to save your as from a lynch.