Good vs Evil, Law vs Chaos Reboot - Game Over, Good wins

[Lord Mhork]

VOTE: Shadoweh

For leaving me all alone here...

[Lord Mhork]

Heh, I like Norman. He makes me chuckle.

Also, I think that wagon on him very well could have a scum, for a lot of people seemed to repeat the same points against him.

@kondi:
I'm not a fan of your #88 or your #91. Have an upvote!

UNVOTE: Shadoweh

VOTE: kondi2424

[Lord Mhork]

Alright, then, LM. Who have you seen that is a potential partner?

For you or for Norman?

[Lord Mhork]

First off, foxace, if you're going to use colors in your posts, can you please stay away from those lime greens and yellows? They physically hurt to read.

Heh, I like Norman. He makes me chuckle.

Also, I think that wagon on him very well could have a scum, for a lot of people seemed to repeat the same points against him.

@kondi:
I'm not a fan of your #88 or your #91. Have an upvote!

UNVOTE: Shadoweh

VOTE: kondi2424

Soft defense of Norman.
Suggesting that there is scum on the wagon without saying who, but giving a terrible reason for thinking that people are scummy - that they are repeating arguments.

Not really soft defense--I was defending him. Even more now, actually. I really don't think Norman is scum.

How can I say exactly who's scum? All I know is that there were a lot of votes simply because Norman was a 'troll.' I have a hard time believing that many pro-town players would vote for such a weak reason.

Alright, then, LM. Who have you seen that is a potential partner?

For you or for Norman?

This is an unnecessarily cagey response, and considering that you'd recently quoted him, it should be clear what he was referring to,

I think LordMh is going after an easy target in Kondi, and that he's not really paying attention to the reasons that he's voting him.

Ok, pal, which was it? I was, and am, genuinely confused and that's why I asked the question. And kondi? An easy target? Sure, that's why I've been able to convince so many people to vote him.

And how am I not paying attention to the reasons I voted for him?! Gah! Elaborate if you're going to make accusations like that, yeah?

[Lord Mhork]

Awh Mhork, you're town aren't you? I can tell. <^_^>

Nope, I'm actually the godfather.

Of course I am, Shadoweh! What do you think about kondi?

[Lord Mhork]

Oh might Norman, please forgive mine error.

Also... Who's supposed to be "P" in that comic?

[Lord Mhork]

I love this! Oh, I really hope you're town, Norman! What did you think of kondi?

[Lord Mhork]

I haven't seen any potential partners for Norman as of this point. Therefore, my vote is staying on ML.

PEdit: People should stop posting

This is truly terrible; mainly because I can't understand what he means, but also because he doesn't explain why he's voting ManiacalLemon, nor why he finds you suspicious. And why does it matter if there are no obvious partners? It just makes no sense.

If he's not replaced by D2, I'll vote him.

This is just bad. You don't hope someone gets replaced by the next day and then decide to policy lynch them if they don't get replaced. It doesn't work that way. Plus, he's yet to say

in his own words

why he doesn't like you.

His 94 and 97 are just fluff; not worth quoting, in my opinion.

Norman, what happened to your FOS on greenknight?

What is this?! Substance? No, not really, but it's the best he's done so far. He does not, however, follow through with anything once you explain.

More fluff...

...what the FUCK?

You know what's awesome? When you're ignored... Oh wait, the other thing. He has time to post more fluff, but not time to, say,

answer my question

. That's really not cool, kondi.

So a majority of his posts are fluff, plus he's ignoring me. Good enough case for me, at least.

So, Norman, thoughts?

[Lord Mhork]

Intriguing...

I note that you are voting for ManiacalLemon. Why?

[Lord Mhork]

Ehehehehehe.... I think I may love the hydra more than Norman... So many good players this game...

To get on track, I'll answer your question, Magua, after school, yeah?

[Lord Mhork]

Heck. I'm sorry, guys, but I things caught up. I'll catch up with this thing tomorrow, yeah?

[Lord Mhork]

Alright, I've finished to the end of page 11. So far...

Spoiler: @MaguaofIllusion

Lord M

– why did you call out that there MIGHT be scum on the Norman wagon other than to take a nice soft stance that is completely Faux Town? Especially given you vote someone not on the wagon when you posted 121. Futhermore please link me to any posts of Normans that are not fluff / actually have scum-hunting. I find it very disingenuous that you attack someone for not having substance while celebrating Norman’s spam.

There weren't all that many people on Norman's wagon, but I was pointing out that there was a really odd frenzy for his lynch on basically no grounds. And celebrating spam? I'm fascinated with his methods. I'm assuming he actually has a plan coming together, and I wouldn't dream of spoiling it. Are you really learning nothing from his tactics?

Spoiler: @Shadoweh

1) As a rule of thumb I'm always wary of people who don't read the sign-up thread. You can't tell who's

bussing

voting you again, Other Shadow? Your vote is made of fail.
2) Votes for Mhork would be shitty and you should not do them.
3) ML disappeared during this land of spam and Norman generating a magical wagon for being annoying. Almost like scum is lurking, watching the town tear itself apart..

Should I be concerned with this sudden jump of friendliness, Shadoweh?

Spoiler: @Norman

Urge to follow policy lynch rising...

Yeah you do that. And while you're at it why don't you assassinate the vigilante!

As town as I consider you, I agree with everyone else that this was a very odd comparison. Setup speculation really doesn't help now, and the vigilante is one who should probably stay hidden, yeah?

Spoiler: The Stupid Hydra Talk

CooLDog, Norman, everyone, the Hydra is between

Magua

and

MagnaofIllusion

hence the name. Not shotty and DGB. Not Fate and furcolow. Can we be done discussing it now?

Spoiler: The Empking Discussion

Honestly, I really don't see how you can trust the whole "Who's Online" thing to see who's actually online. It's one thing if someone is posting in a bunch of other threads and completely ignoring this one, but I know people who keep, like, fifteen tabs open, and sometimes I'm reading along quickly with no time to post. My point is that all of that discussion was ridiculous, and I'm beginning to get a bad feeling about MaguaofIllusion.

[Lord Mhork]

This is driving me insane.

@CooLDoG:
Go here.
Look at posts 33 and 36. Do you see a Magua here? No, you don't.
Now look here and here.
Note how MagnaofIllusion isn't on the list either.
The signature is a joke, just like the last one which proclaimed it to be a hydra of shotty and DGB.
Understand?

[Lord Mhork]

Also, blast it, Norman! Self votes should be the equivalent of a scum confirmation. Are you admitting that you are part of the mafia?

[Lord Mhork]

Hah! I knew I had a reason to like Norman!

@MaguaofIllusion:
No offense, but would you please take the dissonance to a QuickTopic? Before it gets out of hand, yeah?

[Lord Mhork]

Lord Mhork

– so basically Post 428 you were fluffing to look good when you said “There is scum there” since you actually didn’t have any suspects. Also – why didn’t you find the flurry on Lemon to be “odd” since it can't be considered any more 'well grounded'?

I wasn't fluffing to look good, though. I was simply stating a possibility that worried me, because the wagon was gathering awfully fast for my liking. And was there a flurry on Lemon? It's really hard to keep track when I keep coming back to 3+ pages every afternoon... >_>

Are you saying that you found this flurry odd?

---

Also Lord M – please link me to any completed game you have where scum self-voted.

Well, I self-voted as scum. Shadoweh can attest to that. There's no reason for town to self-vote, though. It doesn't help with anything.

---

Well I must say that MaguaofIllusion, at least the rude head, is bothering me. I can't tell, though, if its scummy or just mean...

I will, however, hop on the CooLDoG wagon, as I agree that his play is appearing scummy to me as well.

UNVOTE: kondi2424

VOTE: CooLDoG

[Lord Mhork]

I'm confused, why is Pine claiming now? What happened?

[Lord Mhork]

What is with all this hate and name-calling? Are we fourth graders again? This is nothing but sheer chaos, spam, and more chaos! How is anyone supposed to get any scumhunting done amongst this?! Norman, you are making it really hard for me to stick to my 'no policy-lynching' policy. Feysal, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy are you feeding the flames?

I'll catch up to any questions directed at me later when I'm not fuming at the stupidity going on around me, yeah?

[Lord Mhork]

Spoiler: @trekker

CoolDoG, LynchMePls, Shadoweh. one scum team.
Pine, two others. second scum team.

looking for more connections.

This probably has already been asked, but why are CooLDoG, LynchMePls, and Shadoweh all on one team?

Spoiler: @Pine

Pretty much don't want to play this game anymore. People like Norman just make Mafia un-fun.

I'm a Chaotic Good Bard. I can Detect Law every night in search of the LE faction.

I'm still confused on this. Why did you claim? Was it just because Norman was irritating you? I really saw no wagon at all. I'm not even certain I 100% believe your claim. It's just weird.

In other words, if you're LG, I have nothing against you, as we aren't competing, but neither are we allied. Stay out of my way and I'll try staying out of yours, but don't fuck with the CG vs LE fight.

PE: Actually, Norman, considering you claimed LG, I don't really care about you anymore. If you're LG, then we're not opponents. If you're CE, we aren't opponents. Go do your own thing, stop spamming the thread, and fuck off.

PE2: Of course it's useful in helping

my faction

win. Law detected=possible opponent. Chaotic detected=not an opponent.

Also, I'm pretty sure this is why we didn't do a mass alignment claim. Like you're doing now, all it would do is balkanize the rest of the town and ensure that nothing ever gets done.

Spoiler: Foxace36

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Foxace

cuz fuck it.

You are a such a bad ascum player Pine to the point it is laughable. Have fun with a noose around your head after I am lynched. Go town, yadda yadda yadda. Lets get this day on with already.

Why. Are. People. Self. Voting.???????

I'm considering starting a self-voter policy lynch. Town has no reason to vote themselves. It is against their win condition in every way.

Thats kinda why. I dont want everyone to have myself in their heads when they are trying to deduce who scum is. I thought itd be better if I go so atleast town will have more information and people dont have to keep worrying about whether to wagon me on to the rope or not.

Thats part of what was goin on in my head.

That is not town-oriented thinking! Town should never want to die because it wastes the town's weapon and gives scum a free night to kill whoever seemed to be the best town players of the day. Just noooooooooooo!

Spoiler: @MaguaofIllusion

@Lord M

– No, the point is that you finding nothing odd about a flash wagon on Lemon but finding problems with the one of Norman is suspect. I know you aren’t a VI from MST3K Mafia so I know you can follow a line of thinking.

Your ‘OMGUS-lite’ regarding being suspected is noted!

I didn't see the flash wagon on Lemon. Can you give me a general area where to look for it?

Spoiler: LynchMePls

I will, however, hop on the CooLDoG wagon, as I agree that his play is appearing scummy to me as well.

List the reasons.

You know what? I don't even remember anymore! Maybe it was something along the 'Who's the hydra?' talk, but beyond that he really hasn't been exceptionally scummy.

Spoiler: @Norman

Who's my favourite little turdshit, you are Feysal, you are. Awwww you're so cute trying to make me look like crap. I applaud you for your efforts you worthless, scum-sucking, discriminating, negligant, afflicted, calamitous, vile motherfucking bastard. I hope some day you may be able to eat feces like the piece of shit you are.

Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? What is the blasted purpose of this long winded and moronic insult? There is none! It helps no one hunt and distracts the entirety of the town!

What is with all this hate and name-calling? Are we fourth graders again? This is nothing but sheer chaos, spam, and more chaos! How is anyone supposed to get any scumhunting done amongst this?! Norman, you are making it really hard for me to stick to my 'no policy-lynching' policy. Feysal, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy are you feeding the flames?

I'll catch up to any questions directed at me later when I'm not fuming at the stupidity going on around me, yeah?

Well I wanted to ask Feysal a question but then herring choker punk thought it was ok to call me a retard while I clearly told him I was acting like one for game purposes only. Yet the shit used my way of playing as an example of being actually retarded. Sure the plan may have failed but that still doesn't give him the right to fucking use my accusations against him on his fucking signature!

And then there's briz saying, "Oh let's lynch Norm already because I think we don't need him!" Well fuck him too. And fuck you Mhork for getting into my business you Aussie prick being a hippy and saying, "Oh no my children, oh no chaos, spam and curse words = bad. Oh no don't do that. Oh no." In fact you scream scumbag to me the whole time you're saying posts only for somewhat seemingly "personal" purposes. You only want me around because you think I'm a goddamn VI and I'm basically a pawn for voting.

Well I'm not and I'll never be one!

In fact I think the people trying to protect me are basically scumbags! Probably CE at best! And it doesn't finish there. Oh no!

So, in other words, you set up a play style--which you knew could get you called out for being a VI--and were thin-skinned enough to let insults actually reach through and elicit a reaction from you. I agree he needn't put your stupid insult in his signature, but, pal, can't you see your side in this?

First of all, I'm not Australian. I'm an Oregonian... Closer to a Portlandian, but that's irrelevant. The chaos, spam, chaos, and blasted cursing is terrible for the rest of us townies. It's distracting. It's pointless. It does nothing to advance the game. I liked you at the beginning because you appeared to have a fresh idea to hunt scum with. I though you would reveal yourself gloriously and stamp all the scum voting you to victory. I thought you were one of those amazing scumhunters that make mafia shake in their boots. You think I think of you as a VI? No. There are very few players I give that title to. I think you're thin-skinned, overly-emotional, and thoroughly unprepared for criticism. Man, I wish I were scum in this game. There are so many pointless arguments, stupid distractions, and general chaos that I'd be giggling in my chair.

GAH! This is terrible!

Spoiler: @kondi

@CooL: If we're doing this purely for PL, trekker would be better than Norman by a mile.

Why?

Spoiler: @PeregrineV

Lord Mhork- stupid godfather joke

Why does this make me scummy?

I'm done with this.

UNVOTE: CooLDoG

No idea why I voted him in the first place.

VOTE: Norman

You crossed into the territory of deliberately unhelpful and thoroughly anti-town. Gah! I hate blasted policy lynches!

[Lord Mhork]

trekker, it doesn't work that way. Whyyyyyyyyy?

[Lord Mhork]

AurorusVox, you think that Norman is town? Why?

If so, do you think he is pro-town? You haven't caught up on what you've missed (:roll:), so I wouldn't expect you to see the horrific chaos that is Norman's assault on the sanity of the tread. A question, though, do you ever plan on reading the last 30 pages?

PEdit:
CooLDog, the expression is 'go stick a fork in a toaster.' You split it. Your version is a mouthful, yeah?

[Lord Mhork]

CooLDoG, be polite, yeah? This is a

game

. This is something a good chunk of the playerlist seems to have missed. Can we go back to playing Mafia, please?

[Lord Mhork]

@Mod:
V/LA for a few days. Thursday at the latest.

[Lord Mhork]

Just got back. I'll try to, you know, post something of content later, but these two were directed straight at me so I figure I should respond to them.

First off, though,

UNVOTE: Norman

I can't do it. I can't policy lynch a town read. I'll read back over the pages to decide on a top candidate for my vote. I need a break, though...

@Mhork (735)- Because a GF would be cheeky enough to say it and turn up town in an investigation.

@PeregrineV:
I don't know what to tell you. It was just a joke. I suppose I could say that I haven't ever joked about being scum in a game where I actually was scum, but it's not really worth the discussion at this point.

@Lord M

– are you specifically trying to play stupid? Lemon picked up 5 votes by Post 29 of this very thread. That’s as many votes as the wagon on Norman (who you have since voted) picked up. Again – why were you not worried about that wagon?

Lord M’s empty ‘Townie’ posts continue to help build my scum-read on the slot.

@MaguaofIllusion:
No, I'm not playing stupid. I've no clue where the Lemon wagon is or was. I wasn't worried about the wagon because I didn't know it existed. As for my 'empty Townie post,' I just wanted the pointless name calling gone. This is just a game. There's no reason to get offended and childish about it, yeah?

[Lord Mhork]

>_>

I'm hoping that was a joke...

[Lord Mhork]

I like you, mastin. You seem reasonable. I can, real quick, answer part of your question.

Alright. Let's try something different.

Everyone:

That's every single other player in the game.
I want, in your own words, your summary of how the game has gone so far.
At the same time, I'd also like you to tell me how many scum you think are in the game--I know this game is a lil' unusual, but I imagine that there is a scum faction out there.
And of course, who they are--not a single person; I want you to give me a whole team. Plus of course the reasoning you think they're scum together.

The game is a train wreck on top of disaster with chaos and havoc stirred in for extra measure. There are, like, three different arguments all piled on top of each other, plus you have Norman shouting that he is immune to our votes, and then there is the new AurorusVox drunken spam making up for Norman's silence. It is simply ridiculous! I'm probably just going to tack a vote onto the leading bandwagon before deadline hits simply because a lot of my reads are murky as of yet and this Day One is making me tired...

As the general consensus is a scumteam of 3 each, that seems reasonable to me. All 13 person games I've played have had a 3 person scum team so, with the exception of third-party madness, two 3 person scumteams makes sense.

I've no clue on the team yet.

[Lord Mhork]

I'd be willing to vote foxace to avoid the no-lynch.

[Lord Mhork]

I think he's implying that Trekker and LynchMePls are interchangeable... The must be vying for his 6 spot.

[Lord Mhork]

Well, I'm seeing that there's a wagon building up on Zdenek, however I have a stronger townread on him than on foxace, so:

VOTE: foxace

[Lord Mhork]

Like I said in my last post.

Foxace: Yea
Zdenek: Nay

[Lord Mhork]

How is Zdenek more likely to flip scum, Mastermind?

[Lord Mhork]

How is Zdenek more likely to flip scum, Mastermind?

Because there are actual reasons to think Foxace is town.

Such as?

[Lord Mhork]

It could be faked, though, yes? You can't really clear someone based just on that.

[Lord Mhork]

>_>

Perhaps, I suppose... In any event, I still like Zdenek for town more than foxace, so I'm not ok with lynching him.

[Lord Mhork]

Yeah?! Well you're a meanie-face!

[Lord Mhork]

mastin, I like you. I, too, got all sorts of weird vibes when reading Tammy's posts. For now

VOTE: Tammy

[Lord Mhork]

No to doc claim for obvious, repeated reasons.

UNVOTE: TammyUNVOTE:

VOTE: AurorusVox

Can you elaborate why CooLDog is super-uber-obv scum?

[Lord Mhork]

Well I'm keeping up, but I keep finding there's little for me to say. Here are a few questions I've been pondering, though.

Pine, do you realize that your reasoning for how your role should work is the exact reason why there was no mass role claim?

Everyone on the CooLDoG wagon, why do you consider CooLDoG to be scum? Also, what are your reads on AurorusVox?

Junpei, are you voting Mastermind of Sin as a policy lynch or do you believe he is scum?

I, for one, consider Mastermind of Sin, CooLDoG, and Tammy to be rather townish based on what I've been reading, and I think that we could benefit from some AurorusVox pressure.

[Lord Mhork]

By the by, I played a game with Junpei, the Vanillaside, I think. Shadoweh can back me up here saying that this is exactly how town Junpei was acting up until he was lynched.

[Lord Mhork]

Zar/Lannister is at least the second time I've heard a desire to split Lawful vs Chaotic attributed to me.

I don't want to do that, at least not on a large scale. It would be counter-productive for the many reasons already discussed. However, on the individual scale, if I can determine a person's threat/non-threat status, beyond the doubt that their simple claim gives, I'm going to do it.

@Zdenek: I can't read? I notice you don't actually refute the point, you simply say "NOPE, LOL". Care to show me where I'm wrong? And remember - you're limited to Town's uninformed perspective.

I said it, and you failed to respond to me! You're doing it right now!

@LostButterfly:
He claims that he is a CG Bard that can detect Law/Chaos on players.

[Lord Mhork]

You ignored me.

You

ignored

me

? GAH! Of all the anti-town things to do...

Let's make this simple, yeah?

Why was I wrong?

Why did you think it was a good idea to ignore me?

Why did you respond the second time I asked you rather than the first?

Do you understand how you are--very actively, I might add--dividing the town into Law versus Chaos?

Do you understand how ignoring me is anti-town?

[Lord Mhork]

You're wrong because it simply is not and was not my intention. I ignored you because i thought you were just one person, and you've been pretty fail so far. I only responded when it got repeated because it needed to be nipped in the bud before the false allegation got out of hand. And for the last time, I have no intention or desire to divide the entire Town. My power is specifically designed to

detect law

. How the fuck else am I supposed to use it?

You. Don't. Do. That.

GAH!!!

I'm wrong because I'm wrong? That works. That's logic. Oh wait, the other thing. You have the audacity to act as though are the epitome of townliness, looking out for your team, and ignore a question posed to you? How in the

hell

do you get away with deciding one person isn't worth the bloody effort to type in a quick 'That wasn't what I meant to do'?

I do like your scummy response though. "I need to nip the bud of a false allegation

before it gets out of hand

." What town-oriented player thinks like that? I fervently stand behind CooLDoG on this one. Why do you assume everyone believes your claim? Why are you not dead when you roleclaimed? How can you be so arrogant and condescending whilst maintaining a facade of indignation?

As for your actions.

You are dividing the town

. Every comment you've made has been divisive and shows that you've no interest at all in finding out who is evil, but only who is

Lawful

evil. I'm certain that you would be more than happy to watch the Lawful Good portion of the town burn as long as you can get off with your team. Why would a townie think like that? Again,

you are dividing the town

. That is a scum strategy through and through.

UNVOTE: AurorusVox

VOTE: Pine

@Mastermind of Sin:
I'm fairly certain that you're town. Tell me, why are you so staunchly defending Pine?

[Lord Mhork]

What do you think of that possible slip CooLDoG just brought up about how Pine didn't seem to consider the possibility of Chaotic Evil messing with his night action?

[Lord Mhork]

Shadoweh, why do you have to make sense? Gah! I don't know! Ah well, at least I'm fairly sure on AurorusVox. Pine can wait until later.

UNVOTE: Pine

VOTE: AurorusVox

[Lord Mhork]

It's a terrible drawback. Why do you seem so plushy today?

What do you mean by plushy?

I'll think about it after he responds. Mhork's quip about how right I am without voting with me was a little weird. I need to sleep now which is totally not me switching computers.

Well you brought up some of those points on Pine and I just can't make up my mind what I think about him. I still like Zdenek for town, though, so I can't really follow your vote...

What do think about AurorusVox?

[Lord Mhork]

Somebody in three sentences or less explain to me why you are voting AV.

Well, he just hits me as a rather scummy individual, you see? First off, what really bothers me is that I recall him voting me for no reasons at all--in fact, he still lists me as scummy without giving any real reasons. Moreover, he just seems too aggressive yet ignorant to be pro-town, in my humble opinion.

@mastin2:
Your coming in with excuses about changing playstyles and such makes is starting to strain my town read on you. What do you think of AurorusVox?

[Lord Mhork]

It's a terrible drawback. Why do you seem so plushy today?

What do you mean by plushy?

Why is Zdenek town? He hasn't done anything that bothers you? Who has done something that bothers you and what is it right now?

Cut: Did you just use the word humble?

##Unvote
##Vote: Lord Mhork

This is not a joke. You are 100% buddy scum.

You think this is a game, Shadoweh? You want to know who bothers me? AurorusVox. He's yet to give a real reason why he thinks I'm scummy, yet seems certain I am. How does that work, huh?

PEdit:
I don't see Zdenek-scum nearly as much as I see AurorusVox-scum.

[Lord Mhork]

>_>

But I'm not a scumbag, Shadoweh! I mean, I really, really wish I was this game... But I'm not.

Other than that whole 'humble' thing, have I done anything else to trip your sensors?

[Lord Mhork]

TiphaineDeath, why do you think I'm scum?

[Lord Mhork]

Remind me, were you in favour of a mass ethics claim?

No.

Unvote; Vote: Pine

Here's the deal

If we massclaimed ethical alignment, scum HAD to lie.

Pine's claimed role outs ethical liars.

Pine's claimed role is MEANT to catch scummy players in the lie they HAD to make if we massclaimed ethical alignments.

Pine was NOT in favour of massclaimed ethical alignments.

Pine is a liar and therefore scum.

Wait--that's actually good thinking, AurorusVox.

UNVOTE: AurorusVox

VOTE: Pine

>_>

So the argument against lynching Mhork so far is that he looks like scum.
Great argument 10/10. Why are the rest of you not wanting to lynch Mhork?

Where has there been argument against lynching me, Shadoweh? Others, at least, have been citing points against me and presenting it in a reasonable manner. You yet to give

real points.

Why do you think I'm so blasted obv-scum?

[Lord Mhork]

But I'm not a scumbag, Shadoweh! I mean, I really, really wish I was this game... But I'm not.

Other than that whole 'humble' thing, have I done anything else to trip your sensors?

OH I WISH I WERE A LAWFUL OR CHAOTIC SCUMBAG
THAT IS WHAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO BEEEE
CAUSE IF I WERRE A LAWFUL OR CHAOTICC SCCUMBAG
EVERYONE WOULD BE RIGHT IN LYNCHING MEEE
Why do you 'wish' you were scum, Mhork? Why would you even think to say that?

You want to know the truths, Shadoweh? This game is a swirling vortex of chaos, ego, and pushy playstyles. Look at the Norman fiasco. Look at the Tammy fiasco. Look at CooLDoG, MaguaofIllusion, Mastermind of Sin, mastin, trekker, even Junpei to a certain extent. How am I supposed to find scum within this? It seems like every time I come to this game, there are three new pages and only a fraction of them have anything to do with the game! The current state the town is unbelievably pro-scum right now. You have the above shouting and screaming at each other, each trying to force through their reads, you have Pine single-handedly trying to split the town on philosophical lines, and them you have the rest of us in the middle, trying to figure out what's what.

In short, I like winning--you know this. I'm not a fan of losing, either, especially when scum has to do nothing in order to win. All they have to do is lurk their way to victory, and I can't

stand

when lurkers win.

Remind me, were you in favour of a mass ethics claim?

No.

Unvote; Vote: Pine

Here's the deal

If we massclaimed ethical alignment, scum HAD to lie.

Pine's claimed role outs ethical liars.

Pine's claimed role is MEANT to catch scummy players in the lie they HAD to make if we massclaimed ethical alignments.

Pine was NOT in favour of massclaimed ethical alignments.

Pine is a liar and therefore scum.

Wait--that's actually good thinking, AurorusVox.

UNVOTE: AurorusVox

VOTE: Pine

No that thinking is horrible, even with a chaotic/lawful cop it's not work splitting the town in a massclaim. No reason why AVox is no longer scummy to you, you just sheep to his reasoning to go COP HO! /o/

The main issue is that I can't even remember why I thought AurorusVox was scummy in the first place. All I know is that his line of questioning--i.e. 'What did you think of an ethics claim?'--followed by clear reasoning why he should have thought it beneficial to catch people in a lie. In fact, Pine so far has shown no issue at all with dividing the town into law and chaos, with the exception of a weak 'no I'm not doing that.'

You're not being offended, you're looking for forthright and intelligent looking things to sheep. You aren't hunting, you're defending yourself and showing up just enough that people don't remember your name. I won't forget your name Lord Mhorky, because to me it says BRITISH GOVERNOR SCUM.

I'm too tired and confused to be offended right now Shadoweh, and I will admit that I started this game out extremely lazy and willing to give sheeping a shot. Did you see the player list? MagnaofIllusion took down the entire scum team in one day on Mystery Science Theatre 3000 mafia, names like Mastermind of Sin looked really familiar and thus lead me to believe they were top tier players, and I figured that since Norman was always greeting Newbies he must be pretty good at the game.

I suppose the issue has been that I have taken to sheeping in place of actually scumhunting... Gah! I can't make up my mind.

I'm going to reread ISO's tonight, then I'm going to do a nice big post with all sorts of solidified reads and go from there, I just can't make sense of all these competing ideas.

[Lord Mhork]

Oh, and

UNVOTE: Pine

for now.

[Lord Mhork]

As he's top 'o the mod list, I will do Pine's ISO first. And, to those of you who will doubtless ask this question, I do look at ISOs in context.

Spoiler: Pine Day One

Damn you MoI. I read 22 and practically squealed with glee at finding scum on page 1. But you pointed it out before I could

Seriously, 22 is completely useless, and worse, it's willfully obstructive.

Vote: Norman

As was slightly touched upon by foxace in Post 40 this easily looks like a simple way to get a bandwagon rolling, as well as do some minor buddying to MaguaofIllusion. Especially irritating is the fact that he simply restates reads--not by actually saying them, buddy by basically saying 'What he said.' It is, I suppose, possible that he truly did see exactly what MaguaofIllusion saw, but why word his post like that? It just doesn't make sense.

Vote: Pine
Reason: The way this guy orders his suspects is goddamn suspicious. I mean I know there's probably like one scumbag down at that last near me but there could be one on top.

Are you drunk or just confused?

I haven't even finished catching up (blame midterms), much less put my suspects in any kind of order. This is pure OMGUS masquerading as reasoning.

I'm so confused by this post I spent a good five minutes reading and rereading the 75 posts that led up to it. The true issue I have, though, is that he does not ask a clarifying question (i.e. "What do you mean by suspects?") but rather jumps straight into personal insults and attacks, as well as buzzwords to make his post big and strong. I fail to see how this is OMGUS--even belated. Norman is clearly voting him for a different reason. Town would usually try to figure out that reason first before trying to destroy someone's credibility, yeah? This is fairly obvious overreacting worth another notch in the scum direction.

Pine

Are you fucking serious?

I had made exactly one post prior to this. One. Which was an early suspicion of the current leading wagon.

And yet, you decided to more or less ignore anyone else and focus entirely on me, capitalizing on my absence.

You've referenced Epic Mafia, so I can't figure out whether this is general idiocy, or the completely ass-backwards and bad meta you've picked up from that site.

Reading right now to more fully catch up. I really can't stand these threads that put out several pages in the course of a day, then get pissy with people who are constantly behind. Stop reveling in your own waste, shut the fuck up, and let others catch up.

Here is even more Pine overdefensiveness. First off, he plays the victim card. Classic scummy Appeal to Emotion: "Oh, pity me! You put on your tunneling glasses and started going after me because I wasn't here to defend myself!" Then, after the Appeal to Emotion, is more personal attacks. I honestly don't se why personal attacks are necessary, would Scum be wanting to use them to get a rise out of players they are trying to frame? I just can't see the protown applications. Mark another notch.

Fuck you, asshat.

In response to Post 467, it is just more attacks on the player rather than the game and more attempts to elicit a rise. Again, hardly protown.

Pretty much don't want to play this game anymore. People like Norman just make Mafia un-fun.

I'm a Chaotic Good Bard. I can Detect Law every night in search of the LE faction.

I spent a good ten minutes scouring for any tiny little indications that there was, in reality, a growing wagon on Pine after that little "F*** You!' he gave to Norman.

Spoiler: Curious?

There weren't!

Spoiler: Here's what I found

My other head is wrong. Norman is town. Aggressiveness is town. Stupidity is town.

Norman-scum is either getting himself lynched or getting himself vigged. Bad scum plan, *especially* in what is already known to be a multiscum setup. Norman's "I'm not OMGUSing, I'm voting him for voting me," is an obvious troll, not some blatant tell.

Seriously, town does stupid shit all the goddamn time, waaaaaay more than scum ever do. Every self vote I've ever seen that wasn't a hammer: town. Benmage cc'ing a cop in ASOIAF and getting him lynched: town. Magister-fucking-Ludi-fucking-claiming-cop-with-a-guilty-on-a-VT in AFFC: town. Town are morons.

So I shouldn't really be surprised that people in general are acting moronic here. Norman is a distraction, sure. Except in getting people to want him dead, he's been useless. Don't care.

So between AV, trekker, Skevnoy and Haze we have at least 1 confirmed scum and possibly more. Good to know.

On this I agree with other head, except I don't think it's Skenvoy. And my money is AurorusVox. Has posted in another game over a period of a day, but nothing here.

Pine's still scum.
Shadow1psc is still passive, still don't like.
Wouldn't mind AV or Haze dying.

But Norman's town.

UNVOTE: Norman
VOTE: Pine

Here, MaguaofIllusion jumps on the wagon.

Oh wait, I wanted to vote, right. And MoI, I'm glad you saw through my distractions, or aggressiveness. Whatever the case I still think your other head sucks.

Vote: Pine

Shutup and die scumbag, I'll enjoy when you fucking cry for mercy.

Then Norman follows suit.

@Tammy: Yep. Nope.

Let's kill this Pine fella already!

Mastermind of Sin was already on the wagon.

Pardon if I may be slightly annoying, but why are we not voting for Pine now?

And Norman pokes him some more.

Scum reads so far.....

MoI
Pine
CoolDog
Mastermind of Sin
Tammy



Will elaborate further tomorrow. (Heading to the theaters with a group of friends in a few hours to wait in line for the Hunger Games premiere! )

You have foxace give suspicion without backing it with a vote.

Alright, here are my current reads:
Scum: MoS, CooLDog, kondi, Pine
Confusing as fuck: MoI, Norman, trekker
Lurkers/Noncontributors: MoS, CooLDog, kondi, riggs
Null: Zdenek, Haze, Fox
Town: Shadoweh, Shadow1psc, Tammy, Mhork
Everyone else is likely null. Feel free to ask about any. Way too many posts lately. Also, I can't talk during school hours soooo... I'll be at a concert tomorrow so I won't be online tomorrow until around midnight, so don't accuse me of lurking. I'll have a lot of Saturday and Sunday to give up for this.

Gasp! And ManiacalLemon, too!

Well if townspeople and neutrals could follow this vote, well then I have no problem in voting Cooldog. Although I still think Pine is scum nevertheless.

Unvote: Pine

Vote: Cooldog
Reason: His conversations are bullshit. I don't care what he says to me in advance.

Wait, that's not a Pine vote!

yea, i'm down.
VOTE: CooLDoG

Neither's that.

How do we know that there is a vig? Why are we even speculating about it?

Urge to follow policy lynch rising...

Yeah you do that. And while you're at it why don't you assassinate the vigilante!

WTF, vig claim?????????????

It was started by that CoolDog guy...

Vote: CoolDog

We'll come back to GNR.

Or that.

CooLDoG flip flopped on and off of Norman.

Going forward norman will become a really easy lynch for both scum teams to push. Right now I see norman as one of the most pro-active players in the game who is trying to scum hunt. I might be a little biased towards favoring the VI because I was treated like that before (and to a certain extend still to this day), but norman does not have the characteristics of being scum. And nobody as brought a good case against him. Lemon seems to be the main pusher of this policy lynch happy mob.

ITT Norman is going to soft-claim and backtrack on every possible role in the hopes of outing Town Powerroles!!!

Good Times!

Can we have lynch time now please?

yes.
Norman, I'm going to vote you because it is day 1.

vote:norman

and because I want to.
@green, read better. Like seriously, make sure that what you are saying is true before you post it.
@lord mhork, read his sig please.

I've also had a gut feeling on him since the beginning. He seems to be repeating what has already been said, also.
MoS: He's done absolutely nothing of any help whatsoever. No matter how little time you have, you can at least get in one post with content in it today.
Shadoweh: Seems a little pushy on me still, but that's understandable, due to cognitive bias. Seems to be trying to scumhunt sincerely.
Tammy: Her scumhunting looks good.
VOTE: CooLDoG
Back to my first scum read I suppose.

Or that.

In fact, the vote count read:

Vote Count 1.5

Pine (2) -

Mastermind of Sin, Foxace36

With only two votes on Pine. Massive wagon, yeah?

CooLDoG then comes in guns blazing with a fierce accusation.

People I would support a lynch for (in no particular order):
Norman
trekker
lemons
-possibly, but I need to be persuaded-
pine

Now the pressure is on again!

CoolDoG, LynchMePls, Shadoweh. one scum team.
Pine, two others. second scum team.

looking for more connections.

trekker backs him up with solid evidence, too.

In the mean time, Norman prepares to repeat his process on Mastermind of Sin. Pine then leaps into action and freaks out, declaring Norman as making the game unfun and claiming.

The pressure had basically died out on the Pine wagon, leaving him with two votes and a substantial counterwagon forming on CooLDoG. I propose that PIne did not read up to the point of the counterwagon, but instead saw the votes piling and raced to write his claim to avoid a lynch. Only scum would be paranoid enough to claim before catching up all the way. I'm fairly certain town would at least make sure that they were in

serious

danger of being lynch before claiming, for preemptive claiming hurts the town more than it hurts scum.

Which is odd, actually, as 3.5 Bard has no alignment-detection spells on the standard list.

Pine then quickly notes a possible lapse in his claim, so makes sure to rectify it before anyone uses it against him.

In other words, if you're LG, I have nothing against you, as we aren't competing, but neither are we allied. Stay out of my way and I'll try staying out of yours, but don't fuck with the CG vs LE fight.

PE: Actually, Norman, considering you claimed LG, I don't really care about you anymore. If you're LG, then we're not opponents. If you're CE, we aren't opponents. Go do your own thing, stop spamming the thread, and fuck off.

PE2: Of course it's useful in helping

my faction

win. Law detected=possible opponent. Chaotic detected=not an opponent.

And the division begins! "Alright, CE, leave me alone and you can have your smaller pool to shoot from and, LG, here's a nice big middle finger. I'm here for me now."

His approach to his role is

not

even close to town oriented. It looks to me like scum trying to find some way to divide the town and, more importantly, stir confusion.

You people questioning the timing of my claim - are you nuts? There was a wagon on me, picking up steam, led by morons who had no good reasons but were getting support from smart people that could actually make it happen. I straight up don't have time to keep up with the pace of a frantic lynch mob with midterms (though they're coming to a close soon) and if I'd waited to claim, it would have been ignored. My only option was either get really intense, really fast with this thread (which was impractical for me) or stop it dead in its tracks.

628 and 629 are practically scum claims.

He is absolutely correct here. There

was

, check the past tense, a wagon on him, however I've no clue who these supposedly 'smart' people he's referencing are. Other than that, he is clearly aiming to play the victim. I almost sympathize with him, but, at the same time, his claim was completely uncalled for. It's also interesting to note the scum claims on a flipped townie, though I'm not sure what that means...

It was at like 8, asshat, with another three or four who agreed but hadn't hopped yet. Shit, it's still at 5 or 6 or something.

Pay the fuck attention. Almost every active player had sheeped onto Foxace's and Norman's bullshit allegations, taking my silence and lack of refutation as a scumclaim.

CoolDog, if you want people to stop publicly blacklisting you, grow a brain.

Vote Count 1.6

Pine (1) -

Mastermind of Sin

One is kind of like five or six, but the personal insults were absolutely necessary to getting his point across. In any event, this statement clearly shows that Pine not only is skimming, but exaggerating to try and excuse his claim. Ridiculous. You can't just make up numbers. It doesn't work that way.

Post 809 is interesting, but I've address that above. Key to note is the end when he admits to significantly overestimating the opposition. Keep that in mind, especially for Day Two.

@Pine, before making such a big step as a claim shouldn't you read the whole thread first?
@Pine's 820, One, you had no good reason to claim. Ypur reasdon was that you were to goddamn lazy to read the thread. Is lurking a scum tell for you?

1) Fuck you, 13 out of 26 people ready to lynch me, regardless of actual number of votes, was enough to make me panic.
2) Lurking is never, ever a scum tell on D1. Complete absence from the thread is actually a weak Town tell, as it indicates that there's no scum QT to remind you, no pressure to prove yourself, and the person isn't excited about the challenge.

Or even a couple posts later. "Yes, I overestimated, but ZOMG LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LYNCH ME IT WAS JUSTIFIED!"

Also, a Pine scumflip guarantees that at least one of the lurkers is one of his scumbuddies. Just sayin'.

At the end of Day One, it's fascinating to watch Pine scramble back and forth between foxace and zdenek. Look.

Im the only player that has a chance of being lynched before the deadline so why should I even bother trying to convince everyone to lynch someone else at this point? I think it be better that Im lynched so we can avoid a no lynch.

This is not a scum reaction imo. Let's find someone else to lynch today.

I'm...actually tending to agree. Hrm.

Unvote
Vote: Zdenek

I'll still settle for a Foxace lynch, but that really does look like Towngaveup, rather than scumgaveup. Enough that it calls all of the previously scummy things into question, as in "Am I sure this is scum or is it just newbie moron stuff?"

"Alrighty, guys, I'll go Zdenek unless it turns out we can settle for foxace."

With the amount of time left, there's no way we'll rally support for anyone but Foxace today. Maybe if there'd been more enthusiasm for Zdenek, but there isn't. Besides, this doubles as a policy lynch if it's wrong.

Unvote
Vote: Foxace

"Nope, changed my mind. Foxace is what we've got to settle on. :nods:"

How about this. Everyone, in your next post, an up-or-down opinion on both Zdenek and Foxace. Just whether you'd be willing to consider lynching them today. If either person fails to accrue enough "willing to consider" nods, we drop them for today and come back to it tomorrow. Note that I'm not asking about preference, just whether lynching the person in question is a nonstarter or not.

Foxace: Willing to consider
Zdenek: Willing to consider

"Never mind, let's just make two votes to see who the town wants to lynch. Don't worry, it's completely relevant and helps solve our problem."

Unvote
Vote: Zdenek

Fox 9/Zdenek 7

Let's go, folks. Drop a vote on one of these two. Failing to be on one of these two wagons will be scrutinized tomorrow.

"I know that I said there was no chance for a Zdenek lynch, but counterwagon gogogogo!!!"

Finally, Pine ends the day on a wagon that did not come to fruition. A counter to the one proved to be on town. Hmm...

Spoiler: Pine Day Two

I need to ask for a clarification before I post result

It's this post that makes me wonder if Pine really is an alignment cop. I'm fairly certain he is, for I can't really see anyone trying to make up a fake mod conversation.

This does not, in any way, prove Pine as town.

As has already been said, this role could

easily

be a scum role.

Okay.

Seacore got back to me. I investigated MoI, and was returned with a null result. The question I asked Seacore was whether the kill or investigation resolved first; I was informed (in that roundabout Mod manner) that my investigation failed before he was killed.

So hey. LE team has a Roleblocker.

I am not enamored of MoS, but his wagon analysis is excellent. If I had to guess, I think he's cross-scum hunting.

Vote: Zdenek

Of the two, I'm not enthused by how "low-hanging fruit" the CD wagon feels. Can come back to it

PE: No Town worth their salt wants Doc to claim at this point, and no scum worth their salt will say they do. Stupid survey is stupid. Been thinking about how to balance two Towns vs two scum. Both teams killing every night does not balance against the Towns sharing a day lynch. It may be that they have to alternate even/odd night kills

I do not like how he immediately jumps to the conclusion that he was blocked by the Lawful Evil faction. If it were me, I'd consider either blocking me, for Pine can catch both LE and CE scum in lies. That is, unless Pine has some way of knowing exactly what faction would never have blocked him... You know, like a couple buddies that you can trust...

I investigated him because if he came back non-Lawful, it would 100% confirm him as non-threat to my side.

I intend to continue investigating with this in mind. My investigations cannot detect scum, but they can detect who isn't a threat to me. Chaotic ethical alignments, regardless of moral alignment, are not a threat to me and my Town.

Another divisive comment showing that he cares more about the L/C axis than the G/E. I'm honestly more concerned about finding any scum, not just the diametrically opposed one. That might just be me, though.

Greenknight: You don't investigate your chief suspects. That's just bad Cop work. You investigate people you have no solid read on. Go read Mastin's article on good Cop usage.

CoolDog: Fuck you, scum. You people keep hammering the number of actual votes on me at that time, as if literally 50% of the thread hadn't already stated unsubstantiated suspicion of me, most of them either declaring an intent to vote for me or having actually voted me on and off. My role is VERY useful for the CG Townies, as it makes scum claim their actual ethical alignment.

Note to Chaotic Good Townies: Remember, we don't have to eliminate the Chaotic Evil scum to win. Therefore, we don't give a fuck about people who investigate as Non-Lawful. If I investigate them as Lawful, then they might be scum. If not, they're either ally or disinterested.

"Attention all CG players! Dividing the town is good because you can win! Screw those LG dudes, we got this."

This post actually gives me pause to consider CE Pine... That actually would make sense...

Zar/Lannister is at least the second time I've heard a desire to split Lawful vs Chaotic attributed to me.

I don't want to do that, at least not on a large scale. It would be counter-productive for the many reasons already discussed. However, on the individual scale, if I can determine a person's threat/non-threat status, beyond the doubt that their simple claim gives, I'm going to do it.

@Zdenek: I can't read? I notice you don't actually refute the point, you simply say "NOPE, LOL". Care to show me where I'm wrong? And remember - you're limited to Town's uninformed perspective.

Direct Contradiction

Check out post 1382. He doesn't want to split the town on a large scale? Hmmm....

Chaotic Good Bard. I Detect Law every night, and learn whether the person is Lawful or Chaotic. I investigated MoI on N1, but was roleblocked. I checked, my ability was set to resolve before the kill, so the LE team definitely has a roleblocker.

PE: I ignored you, Mhork, because you were simply wrong. I have no desire to split the Towns on large scale, but if I can clear a few individuals for my team, I'm damn well going to do it.

Yes. I'm the bloody wrong one.

You know what makes me unbelievably angry, though? Getting ignored. There is absolutely no way ignoring a

completely valid

question is a town tell. It is a scum tell in the extreme. In addition, it is unbelievably rude, condescending, and distasteful. The is no excuse to ignore someone.

You're wrong because it simply is not and was not my intention. I ignored you because i thought you were just one person, and you've been pretty fail so far. I only responded when it got repeated because i

t needed to be nipped in the bud before the false allegation got out of hand

. And for the last time, I have no intention or desire to divide the entire Town. My power is specifically designed to

detect law

. How the fuck else am I supposed to use it?

I'm wrong because I'm wrong. Got it. I maintain that the bolded might as well be a scum claim. I still have no bloody clue how anyone with at least half a protown brain can think like that. It looks more like "I want to survive" than "I want to find scum."

Because I'm not a fucking threat to CE.

Are you not paying attention? Or just being willfully moronic?

Then the pompous ass decides to insult CooLDoG for asking a completely reasonable question too. I'm noticing a pattern here...

Anywho, who can tell me what group tries to stifle alternate tracks of thought? Anyone?

Mafia?

Exactly. Have a cookie.

Why in sweet taint would CE waste a roleblocking action on me, as opposed to Norman (curiously quiet today) who softclaimed Paladin?

I smell a rolefisher, how 'bout you? Notice how scum would absolutely

adore

finding a Paladin. Get it? 'Cause mafia likes killing the innocent child. What pro-town player tries to out the Innocent Child not once, but twice?

@Mhork: You're wrong because you simply are. You made an assertion about my

motives

, and I'm simply telling you "nice try, but no, that's not why I did what I did." There's no evidenciary basis for your assertion, nor is there one for my refutation of it. Shut the fuck up.

Pompous, arrogant, condescending prick of an ass...

Pine what form do you get your results in?

I'm not sure yet. I haven't actually gotten one yet. Seacore simply informed me that my investigation had failed, hence why I was curious whether it was due to roleblock or due to his death.

CoolDog, I've played at least eight or nine games with Empking. I don't need to cite (<--that's how you spell it) a specific game. Hell, I'd argue that anyone citing a specific game when making a meta assessment does not understand the concept, unless they're simply citing an exceptional example of a particular facet of that meta.

@Faraday: I disagree with you about CoolDog.

I do not intend to move my vote any time soon. Sorry.

Changed my mind. Convince me.

@PV: Meh. Do what you want. I've made peace with being mislynched early.

This is a little more subtle. Note how he struck out the whole 'not gonna move my vote.' He could have just as easily deleted it and asked Lost Butterfly to convince him. There he simply wants to look more reasonable and thus more townie. Only issue is that there is

no way in hell

that he is reasonable, and he has shown that through and through already.

Really? Why the fuck would I lie about my ethical alignment, when I know for a fact that ethic-confirming roles exist? It's a completely unnecessary risk. Occam's Razor demands that if I be scum, I would be CE.

I think the best evidence yet (and that's saying a lot) against Zdenek is the specificity of his accusations.

I'd like to point out that he basically proves that if he were scum he would have to be Chaotic Evil. While WIFOM says that he could definitely be LE, I think he took this opportunity to try and dismiss his actual alignment as an impossibility one should not even think about.

There's no real reason to lie about ethical alignment. The risk of getting crosskilled by telling the truth is just as dangerous as getting caught in a lie by Town. I wouldn't lie if I were scum. The best use for my ability is to narrow the field of suspects for my team. If someone investigates as non-Lawful, CG Townies like myself have no further incentive to investigate them.

In other words, the only possible way I can get an actual guilty is if I catch someone in a bald-faced lie, one which I don't think smart scum would commit. I can, however, get innocents, at least from a CG perspective.

Here he is basically saying that he will definitely

not

play his role to find liars. He will, however--and freely admits it--continue to divide the town by declaring players' L/C alignments. That sounds protown. :nods:

Blah blah blah, cue three more pages of Zdenek and CoolDog railing about how that's non-optimal Town play, and therefore MUST be scum, interspersed with others saying it's non-optimal so it MUST be Town, and still others saying it's non-optimal and null. Don't care, going to play my role according to MY best judgment, fuck all the rest of you.

It's irrelevant anyway, I'm going to keep getting roleblocked.

"Alright, everyone, you can stop paying attention to my Power Role. Especially you trackers.

You might see me kill someone.

There are better targets to track."

And I must say that The Victim looks really, really good on you, Pine.

I'm tired now.

tl;dr:

I persuaded me that Pine is very, very likely CE scum though a full-fledged ISO. You should probably read it all, though...

VOTE: Pine

[Lord Mhork]

GAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

I give up for the night! I'm done messing with mafiascum tags!

[Lord Mhork]

>_>

It didn't start as a massive case now did it?

Also, you managed to read everything I posted in four minutes? Really?

[Lord Mhork]

Whatever.

What makes Pine so obvtown to you?

[Lord Mhork]

It wasn't a case, though. And it wasn't supposed to cover have the page, either. It was meant for me to write down all of my thoughts and then post them in a concise bundle which people could read at their leisure. That didn't work though, and now it's all sprawled over, disorganized, basically trash, and everyone will now skip over the hours I spent carefully checking over every one of Pine's posts

*headdesk*

[Lord Mhork]

Huzzah?

Hey, Junpei, what's your read on Pine? What about you TiphaineDeath?

[Lord Mhork]

Tammy, what's your read on Pine?

[Lord Mhork]

Have you ever seen Shadoweh play well?
I'm just assuming bad from how he/she sounds, and the fact that most people who I don't know suck so

I've seen Shadoweh play really well. I've played with her in Newbie 1180, where she did a pretty good job reading the scum and looking obv-town, and in The Vanillaside, where she managed to lay low as a power role while remaining relatively obv-town. I'm concerned, though, that she isn't as aggressive as she usually is. I've never seen this odd complacence before.

Nevertheless, I still say a Pine wagon is the way to go. I don't think anyone's really pointed his townliness, the wagon just sort of petered out... That makes me a bit suspicious, honestly...

[Lord Mhork]

You mean that game where I lynched the obvtown Om for being Om? ...I can't make myself feel guilty about that honestly.

Someone asked why I didn't consider that Bards don't get alignment spells. I did consider it. It doesn't matter. Maybe it petered out because he's telling the truth and the actual scum are too chicken to take responsibility for lynching a cop?

I'm confused. Why the defensiveness here? I didn't bring up Om Nom. I didn't tell you to feel guilty about lynching him. You're giving me a really bad feeling here, Shadoweh. Why did you bring up Om Nom?

[Lord Mhork]

I don't know. Time... Time just is slipping away...

I still want a Pine lynch, but I haven't the effort to give a full drive tonight, or tomorrow, or all of next week... Meh...

I'll go with BBmolla if necessary, possibly even with Shadoweh because she's just being weird, but none of the other 'brilliant' cases strike me as particularly appealing...

[Lord Mhork]

I saw your post, RegFan. I'm going to get my other reads out, but just not now. Hell Week started and my time for Mafia activity tanked. I do intend on posting reads, at least, soon. Just bear with me.

[Lord Mhork]

Well thanks for running this, Seacore! I know that I definitely did not play to my top here... I think I'm going to stick to smaller games for awhile.

I've still absolutely no clue why I died, but it was best for the town.

And sorry, Shadoweh! Maybe next time we play we can be on the same side!