Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER
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Besides Kast, I am having trouble figuring out who mafia is...
Vezok - cleared by me, and next likely to be scum IMO, after Kast... (!?)
Toasty - I think my theory on Toasty & Andrius both mafia and one faking the others' RB makes sense...
Tanstalas - claim makes a lot of sense to me as a town role O_o
Cleared WLs (assuming one is a Dr. of sorts):
Nikanor
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@KAST
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How does Vezok's N2 action clear you?
If mafia were smart, they'd have targetted one another at some point in order to throw people for a loop. This MAY be what Andrius is referring to when he stated those numbers and plans.
Nikanor nor OS confirmed Toasty. Andrius could have roleblocked OS Night 2 and Toasty claimed it, and conviently, Toast & Andrius both selected the same person N3.
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Reading 'Vice', it refers to being kept in a JAIL, escaping the jail, attacking the WARDEN AND TORTURING THE WARDEN IN HIS OWN JAILCELL. Which would be a jailkeeper... but a mafia jailkeeper sounds funny to me and I was basing my assumption that Toasty & Andrius were sharing a roleblock...
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This is me right now: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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I really, REALLY think Mafia has a redirecting role and has been using it on me.
Once again, I got an innocent result, which confuses me more than just a bit ^_^.
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Nobody vote anyone yet. Everyone post their thoughts/if they have anything important X_X.-
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I think ... Hip or Nikanor is some sort of solo black lantern and Kast or Vezok is godfather and tans or toast is goon. My percentage of being right is really really high cuz I said so XD.
I guess it's also possible both Kast and vezok are godfather AND black lantern o.O
And there's always the possibility of only one mafia left?! Who is a godfather and explains my lack of being roleblocked.-
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You can claim, anything useful XD.
The moderator's flavor and comments yesterday hint at a remaining black lantern, HOWEVER, the flavor this Day suggests the black lantern made the kill. Hence my theory that the mafia turned into black lanterns >_<.
It mentions a specific character, i.e., it's not a recruited person.
Also, I realized this game is title, "Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1"... does that mean there is a Part 2 to this Mafia game? I.e., a second Brightest Day Mafia game? In which case it's possible the flavor is just a hint to the next game in the series... O.o-
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Wait, you have a day 1-shot lie detector?
In other words, you could ask Toast and Tans if they are aligned with the mafia, or something like that, and they have to answer?
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Vezok, and Kast, are my two innocents still alive...
As I mentioned earlier, there is always the possibility I am being redirected, starting Night 2, all my results have been changed to 'Your Target'.
I personally (at this point) am leaning Toasty = mafia goon. And one of Vezok/Kast is a godfather.
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I can't wrap my head around the idea of Tans' claim being a mafia fake claim. >_< Unless I am missing something.
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Someone came up unrecruitable, whereas the mafia came up uncultable, yes?
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What if the Mafia got a 1-shot recruit? O.o Just an idea. This would explain Tans' claim as well as explain why his behavior has not been pro-town at all.
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Also, for anyone still suspect/doubtful of me, I will redirect you to the part where the Cult (who were pissed at mafia) said they knew, via their JOAT, that I was a Cop. They had a daykill, so they probably had a daycop (or maybe a day lie detector as Killjoy appears to have). Just saying >_<.
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If I got to choose, I'd say use your ability on Toasty saying that he is not aligned with the mafia or whatever and see what comes back. Or using it on Tans works too if several of you trust Toasty. o.O-
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Huh @ Hiplop.
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@Kast, as I've said before, DayCop or something. I have NO CLUE what OS did, but by Ludi's statement, I guarantee at the end of the game it will be revealed that OS did in fact use one of his JOAT to confirm me as telling the truth somehow/being cleared. >_< I genuinely think he was trying to help town. But anyways...
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I already have innocents on both of them, plus, if one was a godfather I don't even think it would work on them (maybe I'm wrong). If they were a godfather, they would be 'INVESTIGATION IMMUNE' (last game I believe this is what it was called), i.e., you wouldn't work on them anyways.
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I say use it on Tans if we're all in agreement.
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Oh, and, I'm not aligned with the mafia.
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If you're dumb enough to waste it on me I will punch you in the face -_-.-
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You didn't answer my other questions XD.
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If we assume the best:
Hiplop & Killjoy are confirmed by mod mistakes (although, if Muffin got the PM, but wasn't a white lantern, that makes me go: Huh?).
I can only see one of Toasty/Tans being mafia goons, being mafia together, ehhhhhhh, I'd have to reread everything and see if that makes a lot of sense.
I think that leaves one of Kast/Vezok as Godfather. I don't see a reason neither can't be Godfather.
Technically speaking, if everyone agrees these are all top four suspects, then we have 2 lynches today and 2 lynches tomorrow.
However, I'm not confident enough yet to say 'these are all top four suspects'... so... >_<-
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Tans... you need to post more content than that... you realize we're at the knitty-gritty, yes? >_<
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@Vanilliaizer
A: Either Toasty (and one of Tans/Kast) is lying
B: It's an Even Night Vanillializer? O.o
C: Night 1 vanilliaizer was delayed, Night 2 got a double-shot, Night 3 was roleblocked, Night 4 was untouched... I would have to double check, but I'm pretty sure no one fits this. (Via reading the NAR, I saw the 'Copy' ability, I suppose it's technically possible someone copied Vezok's ability N1 and used it on someone who also happened to be drill sergeanted Night 2).
D: I think hiplop not claiming makes him the vanillalizer
E: I might be completely dumb, but I think it is possible the vanillalizer is town
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Let me check ot see who all has been vanillialized. It's possible Tans goal is to steal all the rings again and stealing their rings vanillializes them. This makes sense with his lack of commitment to the game.
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What is the flavor behind being vanillalized? Does it involve losing your ring/it disappearing/etc.?!-
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@Kast #3362 - Whatever head this is, I suggest if you are mafia that the other head tell this head to keep his mouth shut. You just asked me two questions that make no sense. What possible answer do you think I have to those kinds of questions? What do you gain by me answering those questions? If you're a townie, asking those questions get me no where.
Why did I investigate Kast? - Because I thought it was part of the plan. I did in fact think it through and read through many posts. However, the way you are asking the question is highly odd.
Why even bother? - Wtf? You want me to not post my results? Do you want me not even to investigate? Me being redirected is A: me being paranoid and B: me having trouble making sense of who the mafia are and if they're investigation immune. The fact you ask this almost suggests you KNOW I am being redirected or investigated someone who is investigation immune. I would think me coming out and saying 'I got an innocent on Kast' would make you happy and you would argue against the fact that I was redirected. However, you seem to support the idea it's possible I was redirected, if you were town that should come up guilty, why feed into that paranoia if you should know I wasn't redirected? How does that help you or me at all?
As I said, asking these questions makes no sense, what possible answer are you looking for?
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Also, Vezok, night action please XD.
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Thinking about it, would Mafia have multiple roleblocking roles? As I said earlier, it's always possible Toasty is lying and does not in fact have any roleblocking abilities and was sharing his targets with Andrius to cover them both.
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What do you think of a Kast/Tans both being mafia combination? They are doing the bus-bus-bus game in hopes that one of them can be cleared and take the game away.
Day 2, they all claimed actions on one another. Is it possible this was an elaborate hoax to clear one of them. I.e., end game, who would think Tans would pretend to ability copy his mafia partner? And Kast can fake a track claim easier if they are all mafia together.
Thoughts?
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Yesterday, Andrius said 'follow plan x, x, x'... right now, the only person that looks like they are 'following a plan' is Tans, as he is gunning hard for Kast, repeatedly.-
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@Kast - it's not being anal. It's a LIE DETECTOR. Saying you are a 'townie' is technically a lie if you are a tracker, or a former tracker. Unless your new role is specifically a 'townie'. ?
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Actually, I'm pretty sure Muffin was going to Watch me or something, and is probably why the mafia killed him X_x. I don't think it's safe to assume anything with what Muffin did last night.
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Kast makes sense about the delay thing. Kast can only be mafia if Vezok is mafia too... And considering I have a guilty on both... One would have to be redirector and the other vanillalizer, yet OS claimed to have been blocked/Delayed Night 1.
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Right now I'm down for lynching Tans. I am sort of clearing Killjoy/Hiplop on their claims which could be a huge mistake. Andrius made a point to b!tch about that as he died which might point to one of them actually being his partner and he trying to throw us off... would a mafia really announce that and say 'F#ck this game, these two people aren't my mafia partners'. Yet no WL has flipped mafia that has died... (or one was the 'recruit' as I mentioned earlier...)
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Is a Tans/Toasty combo possible?
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Is it possible we only have one mafia left? (LOL)
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Still want a claim from hiplop...-
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@Tans, assuming Kast is mafia... who do you think his partner is? Because right now, from the looks of it, it appears as if you're trying to bus a partner so when he flips mafia you can say 'yay look I am cleared'. (In this scenario, Kast is Godfather/Redircot (not tracker), Tans is Vanillializer and everything makes sense I think... in fact, in this scenario, tans & Kast & Andrius all clear eachother Day 2, Day 3, Kast & Tans claim vanillialized in order to not have to be cleared by anyone else and to confuse people ^_^).
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@Kast, can you refresh us on your MULTIPLE crumbs? I recall you only posting one crumb...-
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Tans, have you considered it was a 1-shot multi-vanillializer (since every single townie has a f#cking power) and that Toast is mafia and is lying about being vanillized to throw people off?
Mr. S DID claim to have a power role that he could use on THREE PEOPLE in the same night (I assume it was 1-shot).-
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ALSO, have either of you answered my Vanillized question?
Because if Toast gets in here and says right away "Yes, the flavor explicitly says blah, blah, blah" yet both of you are explicitly ignoring my question, that looks very suspect on both of you being together. Because if you were mafia faking vanillalized and didn't exactly receive the word-for-word PM then you wouldn't know how to answer that question. :-/-
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In post 3388, tanstalas wrote:In post 3384, Blackberry wrote:Tans, have you considered it was a 1-shot multi-vanillializer (since every single townie has a f#cking power) and that Toast is mafia and is lying about being vanillized to throw people off?
Mr. S DID claim to have a power role that he could use on THREE PEOPLE in the same night (I assume it was 1-shot).
Didn't someone lose their powers last night?
I just said it's possible that Toasty is lying -_-...
HOWEVER.
Rereading Andrius, in the past few days, he has been very pushy on who to vote for, I noticed he doesn't spread himself thin though and I have a theory he only voted for non-mafia members.
Nikanor he pushed for (though claimed a coin-flip made him choose Ludi > Nikanor).
He also was strongly against Toasty (but not so much recently... huh?).
Which leaves you 3 + hiplop.
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I think Tans is bluffing us by yelling at us to use the ability on him >_<.-
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WOW, Vezok, literally, just claimed mafia.
If Kast is Vanillializer, Vezok is his mafia partner. (N2, there were 3 vanillialized, vezok delayed Kast)
If Tans is Vanillalizer, Vezok is his mafia partner. (N4, there was 1 vanillialized, vezok delayed Tans).
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In other words, there is a few options, only one scenario in which Vezok isn't scum:
Scenario 1: One of Kast/Tans is vanillializer, Vezok is the scum partner.
Scenario 2: Vezok is the Vanillializer.
Scenario 3: Vezok is in fact town, in which case, hiplop MUST be the Vanillializer, as this clears both Kast/Tans.
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Is there anyone that debates any part of this?
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For anyone that thinks three vanillias on Night 2 is impossible and one is faking, your vote should be on Vezok, because if one of them is faking, then Vezok MUST be scum as well.-
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It should be pretty obvious I'm not MAFIA-aligned because OS used something on me to prove I'm not mafia and thus his conclusion that I am town.
Ludi was double-blocked N3, there is no way that I am recruited. I believe OS specifically stated he was lying to get Toasty lynched.
Wasting an investigation on me is pure idiocy. Toasty is the one that should be investigated IMO.
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If Toasty is mafia/Vanillaizer, then Kast is the likely Godfather IMO. Kast's plans/suggestions on who does what don't make sense to me, and Kast seems to be defending Toasty directly and indirectly. Does no one else find it really strange, that IF mafia had another vanillia power, that they used it on Toasty instead of me?
Mafia either:
* Were/are expecting me to investigate Godfather
* Are redirecting me
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Kast wrote:
Where/when did OS use an ability on you and how/why should we believe OS's claim? You realize OS was cult? You realize cult's objectives are not the same as town's objectives?It should be pretty obvious I'm not MAFIA-aligned because OS used something on me to prove I'm not mafia and thus his conclusion that I am town.
You also realize that if you WERE recruited, then you are on OS's team and he would be trying to keep you safe/out of suspicion.
A: This statement is conscerning why I am not MAFIA. Not why I am NOT-CULT.
B: OS/Cult were very pissed at mafia for killing two of their numbers. I.e., Ludi had absolutely no reason to lie when he posted about his suspects of who mafia are and who was cleared as non-mafia.
C: Ludi posted saying they knew I wasn't mafia VIA OS (in other words, OS used something on me).
D: This may seem absolutely a dumb reason for me to be not-mafia, but don't you think any fake-claiming mafia would have pretended to be blocked? That way A: I throw suspscion on the roleblockers and B: I don't have to clear/accuse anyone. But this really isn't that important.-
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In post 3439, Blackberry wrote:Nobody is calling you mafia; so your arguments are straw men.
I listed my arguments as to whyI can not mafiaand you attackedthosearguments as to why I could be cultwhen they are about me being mafia or not...Are you a f#cking idiot?
I listed my arguments as to whyyou should be investigated as CULTand you attackedthosearguments byclaiming you cannot be MAFIA....Are you a f#cking idiot?
Incorrect, I listed why you are an idiot.
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[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p3476117]Ludi was double-blocked N3, there is no way that I am recruited. I believe OS specifically stated he was lying to get Toasty lynched.
This is my reason why I can't be Culted. You ignored this.
Where/when did OS use an ability on you and how/why should we believe OS's claim? You realize OS was cult? You realize cult's objectives are not the same as town's objectives?It should be pretty obvious I'm not MAFIA-aligned because OS used something on me to prove I'm not mafia and thus his conclusion that I am town.
You also realize that if you WERE recruited, then you are on OS's team and he would be trying to keep you safe/out of suspicion.
The above was my reason why I can't be Mafia, yet, you choose to attack these reasons.
You are the one here that took my NON-MAFIA reasons and attacked them for CULT REASONS. I.e., you = idiot.-
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Ludi was a cult. He was pissed off at mafia for killing two of his men. He seemed very sincere when he posted who was cleared. On top of that, I already know he is telling the truth so I know furthermore that his intention is to help the town when he posted his bit.
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Let's See:
Tans is lazy
Kast is pissing me off
Vezok isn't scumhunting
Killjoy's replacement seems a bit off (I'm guessing he's new)
Toasty hasn't done anything and is literally the only non-WL who hasn't been investigated
Hiplop seems more concerned with online shopping and proving himself town than actually scumhunting
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I just thought of something conscerning the Vanillalizer/Delayer scenario.
We know Vanillializer is terms of NAR goes first because we know Kast/Tans didn't get results.
In other words, if Vanillalizer goes first, it is possible the Delayer has no affect on him. I.e., if Delayer and Vanillalizer target eachother, the result is Delayer is vanillialized. Evidence is the fact that Tans/Toasty have both been Vanillliazed, thus, Roleblocks come after Vanillliaing. O_o
I need to think this through to see if it makes sense.-
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I like Killjoy, but I'm tempted to ask him to replace out so yet another person plays Nikanor's position and I get a good idea of what's going on XD.
... Here is a summary for you Killjoy, I kind of forgot you asked...
Claimed White-Lanterns:
Hiplop - has been low key and under the radar (IMO)
Nikanor/Killjoy - Day 1 faked a Cop and got a mafia lynched
Blackberry - Claimed Cop, replaced in Day 2, IMMIEDIATELY asked Nikanor about his cop claim, being, being a MAFIA COP, Blackberry knew that a 'Cop' wouldn't also be in the game. BB has both innocents on Vezok & Kast. Interestingtly, BB has not been roleblocked at all and has survived 2 nights after coming forward. BB suspects Godfather or he has suspected (BEFORE HE EVEN CLAIMED) that there is a redirector BECAUSE his results had a change in the way they were worded.
Toasty - claimed Jailkeeper AFTER Nikanor faked another guilty result on Toasty. This is an interesting exchange to look into. Basically, Toasty said 'you couldn't have got a guilty on me because I jailkept you' which brings into question if Toasty is telling the truth, or he was forced into this claim because there was a faked guilty on him. Toasty claims to have been Vanillialized N4, after he was supposed to block Nikanor/Killjoy.
Tanstalas - Claimed a villian role that is town this game. I.e., a mafia isn't likely to have a 'villian' role and outright claim it (IMO). Outted Andrius (who was later revealed to be mafia) as Roleblocker Day 2. Day 2, Tans was one of three individuals that claimed to have been 'vanillialized' (one of which was Mera, who is now a dead town). Tans has been pretty quiet since then.
Kast - Claimed to be a tracker Night 1 and saw Tans target Andrius. He supposed dropped hints that he did this before Tans revealed that he targetted Andrius. Kast was also vanillialized Night 2 and did not get a tracking result. Interesting, Day 3 he did not come in and would not admit his target right away despite the fact he had stated the Day before that he was going to track me. One would think someone who tracked someone (me) would say 'I tracked BB but I got vanillilized'. Yet all Kast said was he got vanillialized. Slightly suspect, but BB has an innocent on him. Vezok also claims to have delayed Kast that night, i.e., is it impossible for him to be the vanillializer?
Vezok - Claimed delayer. Delayed Kast N2 when 3 people claimed to be vanillialized. Delayed Tans N4 when Toast claims to be vanillialized. This would suggest that neither Tans nor Kast can be the Vanillializer if Toasty is telling the truth. Vezok doesn't scumhunt.-
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Kast - it'd be 200x times simpiler if instead of constantly linking back to posts, you state word for word what ALL your crumbs were, with post numbers, as well as when Tans came out with the information about Andrius, so we can therefore know you indeed stated this before Tans admitted to targetting Andrius. I don't have the eneregy to read through all of your posts, which then link back to another post, etc., etc. All I keep finding is you saying 'I crumbed blah blah blah' and then link to another link.-
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My
brain
can
not
process
who
is
scum.
In my opinion, Tans/Kast are kinda clear. There is an innocent on everyone but Toasty and the WLs. Do we really think the WLs are fake claims for scum? ... But then, do we really think mafia had two roleblocking-ish powers? X_x
Let's lynch Toasty >_<.
I think.
*cries because he is massively confused*
Or should we just kill Vezok?
My opinion: There is one mafia GOON left (Vezok or Toasty). And there is one RECRUITED MAFIA (remember unrecruitable vs. uncultable) that is amongst the WLs.
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Also, if three people were vanillized Night 2, I really, really, don't think someone else (Toasty) would be vanillilized Night 4. This just doesn't add up at all.
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Also hiplop, why didn't you protect me at all? Wtf? And why would a BG turn into a Mid-day Cop... isn't BG more powerful? O.o
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Also, once again, remember my Toasty = Jailkeeper = that one red lantern that WOULD be in Brightest Day makes a lot of sense...
Right now:
One of Vezok/Toasty is mafia
One of hiplop/Killjoy is mafia
I don't think I'll be waivering from that. >_< ...
What if the Vezok/Toasty is investigation-immune, and then hiplop/killjoy is recruited and thus turns up innocent for whatever reason and that is why I haven't been blocked/killed? O.o just an idea...-
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Blackberry berry
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Errr, just a correction, when I said MAFIA GOON, I simply meant, ORIGINAL MAFIA (vs. recrutied mafia). The goon = godfather in my scenario if it's Vezok, if it's Toasty then it doesn't matter >_<.
@Kast - saying they killed Muffin to implicate you doesn't make sense when I was going to investigate you in the plan >_<-
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