Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Blackberry]

Andrius, you are, MY FATHER!

[Blackberry]

I was assuming the LEADER of the yellow lanterns would be investigation immune. So if Andrius flips investigation immune, that clears Vezok & Muffin 1,000%... unless, of course, I was right about the redirecting thing >_<

[Blackberry]

Nevermind XD.

[Blackberry]

Besides Kast, I am having trouble figuring out who mafia is...

Vezok - cleared by me, and next likely to be scum IMO, after Kast... (!?)
Toasty - I think my theory on Toasty & Andrius both mafia and one faking the others' RB makes sense...
Tanstalas - claim makes a lot of sense to me as a town role O_o

Cleared WLs (assuming one is a Dr. of sorts):
Nikanor
hiplop
MuffinMan

[Blackberry]

Andrius, can you tell us what characters your mafia partners are?

[Blackberry]

VICE and SINESTRO

Is there any role-related ideas of what we can deduce if we assume those are the last two mafia remaining?

[Blackberry]

@KAST

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How does Vezok's N2 action clear you?

If mafia were smart, they'd have targetted one another at some point in order to throw people for a loop. This MAY be what Andrius is referring to when he stated those numbers and plans.

Nikanor nor OS confirmed Toasty. Andrius could have roleblocked OS Night 2 and Toasty claimed it, and conviently, Toast & Andrius both selected the same person N3.

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Reading 'Vice', it refers to being kept in a JAIL, escaping the jail, attacking the WARDEN AND TORTURING THE WARDEN IN HIS OWN JAILCELL. Which would be a jailkeeper... but a mafia jailkeeper sounds funny to me and I was basing my assumption that Toasty & Andrius were sharing a roleblock...

Do you think it's possible Mafia had two roleblockerish roles?

[Blackberry]

Andrius, I have a question for you if you're still here.

WHY THE HELL DID YOU NOT ROLEBLOCK ME/WHY DID YOU KEEP ME ALIVE?

[Blackberry]

I DEMAND ANSWERS YO.

[Blackberry]

If you can watch me, I 100% advise that =D

[Blackberry]

I think it would have been better to quietly lie and Watch me instead... That way if they roleblocked and/or tried to kill me you would instantly catch Mafia...

Now they have reason to roleblock you...

They could ONLY roleblock you if Toast or Vezok was scum (which is likely anyways).

[Blackberry]

I still think they have a redirector and we're screwed =/

[Blackberry]

Uhhhhhhhhh, why is no one blocking Kast? >_<

[Blackberry]

Muffin - you're forgetting Toasty could be mafia .-. ...

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I think Kast should be blocked... UNLESS... If Andrius turns up non-roleblocker, block Tans like WTF.

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Kast is the top candidate for scum IMO.

Why check him when he needs to be BLOCKED? >_<

[Blackberry]

This is me right now: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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I really, REALLY think Mafia has a redirecting role and has been using it on me.

Once again, I got an innocent result, which confuses me more than just a bit ^_^.

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Nobody vote anyone yet. Everyone post their thoughts/if they have anything important X_X.

[Blackberry]

Nikanor - did u vanilla him? O.o

Nik or hiplop anything y'all can contribute will be helpful.

Toasty - who did you try to block?

This may seem an odd theory- is it possible mafia turn into black lanterns and get super powered like the white lanterns? Flavor of the death somewhat suggests this.

[Blackberry]

At mod. Can you make sure you post the role reveals consistently? IE my guess is Muffin should be the bright yellow/white lantern color.

[Blackberry]

Would vanilla happen after or before block? What if it was delayed? X.x

Toast if you're mafia and admit it I'll give you a free pass to catch the black lanterns >_<

[Blackberry]

I think ... Hip or Nikanor is some sort of solo black lantern and Kast or Vezok is godfather and tans or toast is goon. My percentage of being right is really really high cuz I said so XD.

I guess it's also possible both Kast and vezok are godfather AND black lantern o.O

And there's always the possibility of only one mafia left?! Who is a godfather and explains my lack of being roleblocked.

[Blackberry]

You can claim, anything useful XD.

The moderator's flavor and comments yesterday hint at a remaining black lantern, HOWEVER, the flavor this Day suggests the black lantern made the kill. Hence my theory that the mafia turned into black lanterns >_<.

It mentions a specific character, i.e., it's not a recruited person.

Also, I realized this game is title, "Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1"... does that mean there is a Part 2 to this Mafia game? I.e., a second Brightest Day Mafia game? In which case it's possible the flavor is just a hint to the next game in the series... O.o

[Blackberry]

Wait, you have a day 1-shot lie detector?

In other words, you could ask Toast and Tans if they are aligned with the mafia, or something like that, and they have to answer?

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Vezok, and Kast, are my two innocents still alive...

As I mentioned earlier, there is always the possibility I am being redirected, starting Night 2, all my results have been changed to 'Your Target'.

I personally (at this point) am leaning Toasty = mafia goon. And one of Vezok/Kast is a godfather.

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I can't wrap my head around the idea of Tans' claim being a mafia fake claim. >_< Unless I am missing something.

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Someone came up unrecruitable, whereas the mafia came up uncultable, yes?

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What if the Mafia got a 1-shot recruit? O.o Just an idea. This would explain Tans' claim as well as explain why his behavior has not been pro-town at all.

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Also, for anyone still suspect/doubtful of me, I will redirect you to the part where the Cult (who were pissed at mafia) said they knew, via their JOAT, that I was a Cop. They had a daykill, so they probably had a daycop (or maybe a day lie detector as Killjoy appears to have). Just saying >_<.

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If I got to choose, I'd say use your ability on Toasty saying that he is not aligned with the mafia or whatever and see what comes back. Or using it on Tans works too if several of you trust Toasty. o.O

[Blackberry]

I think I'm correct about the mafia having a recruit thing.

Hiplop, why are you lurking? You were just on but didn't post at all >_<.

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I am too scatter-brained right now. I'm crossing my fingers someone has something useful O_o

[Blackberry]

Oh, nevermind, only members of the Justice League (whatever that was) are the bright yellow ^_^.

[Blackberry]

Huh @ Hiplop.

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@Kast, as I've said before, DayCop or something. I have NO CLUE what OS did, but by Ludi's statement, I guarantee at the end of the game it will be revealed that OS did in fact use one of his JOAT to confirm me as telling the truth somehow/being cleared. >_< I genuinely think he was trying to help town. But anyways...

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I already have innocents on both of them, plus, if one was a godfather I don't even think it would work on them (maybe I'm wrong). If they were a godfather, they would be 'INVESTIGATION IMMUNE' (last game I believe this is what it was called), i.e., you wouldn't work on them anyways.

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I say use it on Tans if we're all in agreement.

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Oh, and, I'm not aligned with the mafia.

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If you're dumb enough to waste it on me I will punch you in the face -_-.

[Blackberry]

Also @ Kast, I never saw OS claim to have blocked Toasty... I just assumped OS was doing it to try to get Toasty lynched O.o

[Blackberry]

ACTUALLY.

I change my statement to:

I am aligned with the town (i.e., not mafia, not some third-faction, etc., etc.).

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Make Larfleeze say that O.o

[Blackberry]

@Hiplop - why did you say that isn't his role PM and what is your claim?

Or at the very least, what was your previous role b4 white-lanterned? O.o

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To both hiplop & killjoy, what was the Justice League thing? Or were you not in it? O.o

[Blackberry]

Rethinking, I think I should have fake-claimed/lied and pretended to have a guilty on someone I didn't investigate to get their reaction... :-/

[Blackberry]

Hiplop, are you the vanillalizer? O_o

[Blackberry]

Kast - why is your post "I am a townie" when you are not, in fact, " a townie" and we know that would come up as a lie o.o

Make a statement about who your character is.

[Blackberry]

You didn't answer my other questions XD.

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If we assume the best:

Hiplop & Killjoy are confirmed by mod mistakes (although, if Muffin got the PM, but wasn't a white lantern, that makes me go: Huh?).

I can only see one of Toasty/Tans being mafia goons, being mafia together, ehhhhhhh, I'd have to reread everything and see if that makes a lot of sense.

I think that leaves one of Kast/Vezok as Godfather. I don't see a reason neither can't be Godfather.

Technically speaking, if everyone agrees these are all top four suspects, then we have 2 lynches today and 2 lynches tomorrow.

However, I'm not confident enough yet to say 'these are all top four suspects'... so... >_<

[Blackberry]

Tans... you need to post more content than that... you realize we're at the knitty-gritty, yes? >_<

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@Vanilliaizer

A: Either Toasty (and one of Tans/Kast) is lying
B: It's an Even Night Vanillializer? O.o
C: Night 1 vanilliaizer was delayed, Night 2 got a double-shot, Night 3 was roleblocked, Night 4 was untouched... I would have to double check, but I'm pretty sure no one fits this. (Via reading the NAR, I saw the 'Copy' ability, I suppose it's technically possible someone copied Vezok's ability N1 and used it on someone who also happened to be drill sergeanted Night 2).
D: I think hiplop not claiming makes him the vanillalizer
E: I might be completely dumb, but I think it is possible the vanillalizer is town

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Let me check ot see who all has been vanillialized. It's possible Tans goal is to steal all the rings again and stealing their rings vanillializes them. This makes sense with his lack of commitment to the game.

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What is the flavor behind being vanillalized? Does it involve losing your ring/it disappearing/etc.?!

[Blackberry]

@Kast #3362 - Whatever head this is, I suggest if you are mafia that the other head tell this head to keep his mouth shut. You just asked me two questions that make no sense. What possible answer do you think I have to those kinds of questions? What do you gain by me answering those questions? If you're a townie, asking those questions get me no where.

Why did I investigate Kast? - Because I thought it was part of the plan. I did in fact think it through and read through many posts. However, the way you are asking the question is highly odd.

Why even bother? - Wtf? You want me to not post my results? Do you want me not even to investigate? Me being redirected is A: me being paranoid and B: me having trouble making sense of who the mafia are and if they're investigation immune. The fact you ask this almost suggests you KNOW I am being redirected or investigated someone who is investigation immune. I would think me coming out and saying 'I got an innocent on Kast' would make you happy and you would argue against the fact that I was redirected. However, you seem to support the idea it's possible I was redirected, if you were town that should come up guilty, why feed into that paranoia if you should know I wasn't redirected? How does that help you or me at all?

As I said, asking these questions makes no sense, what possible answer are you looking for?

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Also

Here's something of intest:

Non-Typical Colors Count:
1 Violet
1 Indigo
1 Blue (CULT LEADER SAFE-CLAIM)
2 Orange - Tans & Lex Luther ...

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This might be odd, but I think based on colors and Toasty being the only Indigo that he is likely non-scum O_o. I think two Orange lanterns is odd though considering everyone else. Errr, my main point of looking this up was to look into my ring-stealing theory for Larfleeze. Although I retract the third-party idea that he has to get all the rings, I still think it makes sense for him to be a ring-theif. This may sound off - but is there anyone MISSING from the player list [character wise] that should be there? If Tans is mafia, I think he is using his ACTUAL character and NOT his fake-claim. I think it would be a very clever gambit on his part. I say hiplop uses his ability on Tans to confirm whether he is or isn't with mafia. Looking at the color claims makes me really think Toasty is not lying. Also, this may seem an odd thought, but if Tans is Mafia Goon, he is orange, he could make an excuse if he came up guilty to me that he is Orange (However, as I've said, my ability has nothing to do with ring colors). And if the other mafia partner is investigation-immune, this would add to that. And thus why I haven't been roleblocked/etc.

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x Reds
x Yellows
Multiple greens (but it is a GREEN LANTERN comic thing obviously)

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Also, Vezok, night action please XD.

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Thinking about it, would Mafia have multiple roleblocking roles? As I said earlier, it's always possible Toasty is lying and does not in fact have any roleblocking abilities and was sharing his targets with Andrius to cover them both.

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What do you think of a Kast/Tans both being mafia combination? They are doing the bus-bus-bus game in hopes that one of them can be cleared and take the game away.

Day 2, they all claimed actions on one another. Is it possible this was an elaborate hoax to clear one of them. I.e., end game, who would think Tans would pretend to ability copy his mafia partner? And Kast can fake a track claim easier if they are all mafia together.

Thoughts?

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Yesterday, Andrius said 'follow plan x, x, x'... right now, the only person that looks like they are 'following a plan' is Tans, as he is gunning hard for Kast, repeatedly.

[Blackberry]

@Kast - it's not being anal. It's a LIE DETECTOR. Saying you are a 'townie' is technically a lie if you are a tracker, or a former tracker. Unless your new role is specifically a 'townie'. ?

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Actually, I'm pretty sure Muffin was going to Watch me or something, and is probably why the mafia killed him X_x. I don't think it's safe to assume anything with what Muffin did last night.

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Kast makes sense about the delay thing. Kast can only be mafia if Vezok is mafia too... And considering I have a guilty on both... One would have to be redirector and the other vanillalizer, yet OS claimed to have been blocked/Delayed Night 1.

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Right now I'm down for lynching Tans. I am sort of clearing Killjoy/Hiplop on their claims which could be a huge mistake. Andrius made a point to b!tch about that as he died which might point to one of them actually being his partner and he trying to throw us off... would a mafia really announce that and say 'F#ck this game, these two people aren't my mafia partners'. Yet no WL has flipped mafia that has died... (or one was the 'recruit' as I mentioned earlier...)

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Is a Tans/Toasty combo possible?

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Is it possible we only have one mafia left? (LOL)

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Still want a claim from hiplop...

[Blackberry]

No one answered my question about the flavor behind being vanillialized... ?

[Blackberry]

@Tans, assuming Kast is mafia... who do you think his partner is? Because right now, from the looks of it, it appears as if you're trying to bus a partner so when he flips mafia you can say 'yay look I am cleared'. (In this scenario, Kast is Godfather/Redircot (not tracker), Tans is Vanillializer and everything makes sense I think... in fact, in this scenario, tans & Kast & Andrius all clear eachother Day 2, Day 3, Kast & Tans claim vanillialized in order to not have to be cleared by anyone else and to confuse people ^_^).

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@Kast, can you refresh us on your MULTIPLE crumbs? I recall you only posting one crumb...

[Blackberry]

Tans, have you considered it was a 1-shot multi-vanillializer (since every single townie has a f#cking power) and that Toast is mafia and is lying about being vanillized to throw people off?

Mr. S DID claim to have a power role that he could use on THREE PEOPLE in the same night (I assume it was 1-shot).

[Blackberry]

ALSO, have either of you answered my Vanillized question?

Because if Toast gets in here and says right away "Yes, the flavor explicitly says blah, blah, blah" yet both of you are explicitly ignoring my question, that looks very suspect on both of you being together. Because if you were mafia faking vanillalized and didn't exactly receive the word-for-word PM then you wouldn't know how to answer that question. :-/

[Blackberry]

Tans, have you considered it was a 1-shot multi-vanillializer (since every single townie has a f#cking power) and that Toast is mafia and is lying about being vanillized to throw people off?

Mr. S DID claim to have a power role that he could use on THREE PEOPLE in the same night (I assume it was 1-shot).

Didn't someone lose their powers last night?

I just said it's possible that Toasty is lying -_-...

HOWEVER.

Rereading Andrius, in the past few days, he has been very pushy on who to vote for, I noticed he doesn't spread himself thin though and I have a theory he only voted for non-mafia members.

Nikanor he pushed for (though claimed a coin-flip made him choose Ludi > Nikanor).

He also was strongly against Toasty (but not so much recently... huh?).

Which leaves you 3 + hiplop.

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Tans ...

If Vezok & Kast are mafia - how do I have an innocent on BOTH?
How was OS also blocked/delayed Night 1? You stole from Andrius Night 1 so he couldn't have done it.

That would require a: Vanillalizer, Redirector, and a Delayer/Roleblocker role... O.o

I think Tans is bluffing us by yelling at us to use the ability on him >_<.

[Blackberry]

Unless, somehow, hiplop is a townie vanillalizer O.o

[Blackberry]

WOW, Vezok, literally, just claimed mafia.

If Kast is Vanillializer, Vezok is his mafia partner. (N2, there were 3 vanillialized, vezok delayed Kast)
If Tans is Vanillalizer, Vezok is his mafia partner. (N4, there was 1 vanillialized, vezok delayed Tans).

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In other words, there is a few options, only one scenario in which Vezok isn't scum:

Scenario 1: One of Kast/Tans is vanillializer, Vezok is the scum partner.
Scenario 2: Vezok is the Vanillializer.
Scenario 3: Vezok is in fact town, in which case, hiplop MUST be the Vanillializer, as this clears both Kast/Tans.

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Is there anyone that debates any part of this?

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For anyone that thinks three vanillias on Night 2 is impossible and one is faking, your vote should be on Vezok, because if one of them is faking, then Vezok MUST be scum as well.

[Blackberry]

Hint @ Killjoy: Don't waste your thing on Vezok. He is pretty much confirmed scum at this point IMO. >_<

[Blackberry]

Why the hell are you voting Kast - Mr. Killjoy?!

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I'm contemplating lynching Killjoy...

Did Hiplop claim vanillalizer yet?

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If we kill Killjoy, WORST-case scenario, he flips town, and we therefore confirm Tans is town .

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Why isn't Toasty scum again? O.o

[Blackberry]

I think ALL of you will find the solution is as simple as:

Hiplop is mafia Vanillializer.
Vezok is mafia Investigation Immune Delayer.

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Blackberry was the first to annouce it officially, just saying XD.

[Blackberry]

HIPLOP - your turn - claim vanillializer, or non-vanillializer.

If you claim non-vanillializer, and we lynch Vezok and he isn't the Vanillializer, I swear to god you are the mafia vanillializer.

=D

[Blackberry]

HIPLOP - Toasty is LiTERaLLy the only person who hasn't been investigated excluding the WLs. Use it on him :-/

[Blackberry]

Hiplop- why did you claim day 2 to have your ring. O.o

[Blackberry]

Toasty- is there proof you and Andrius blocked two different people in the same night? Based on my memory no one could ever confirm both blocks.

[Blackberry]

O I c

[Blackberry]

Hip claimed day 2 to get his ring because he "misunderstood". Mafia with WL fakeclaim would get the white pm but not a pm about rings obviously... Anyone else think this is fishy?

Vezok why aren't you scumhunting?

[Blackberry]

It should be pretty obvious I'm not MAFIA-aligned because OS used something on me to prove I'm not mafia and thus his conclusion that I am town.

Ludi was double-blocked N3, there is no way that I am recruited. I believe OS specifically stated he was lying to get Toasty lynched.

Wasting an investigation on me is pure idiocy. Toasty is the one that should be investigated IMO.

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If Toasty is mafia/Vanillaizer, then Kast is the likely Godfather IMO. Kast's plans/suggestions on who does what don't make sense to me, and Kast seems to be defending Toasty directly and indirectly. Does no one else find it really strange, that IF mafia had another vanillia power, that they used it on Toasty instead of me?

Mafia either:
* Were/are expecting me to investigate Godfather
* Are redirecting me

I don't think they would risk leaving me alive otherwise.

[Blackberry]

It should be pretty obvious I'm not MAFIA-aligned because OS used something on me to prove I'm not mafia and thus his conclusion that I am town.

Where/when did OS use an ability on you and how/why should we believe OS's claim? You realize OS was cult? You realize cult's objectives are not the same as town's objectives?

You also realize that if you WERE recruited, then you are on OS's team and he would be trying to keep you safe/out of suspicion.

A: This statement is conscerning why I am not MAFIA. Not why I am NOT-CULT.

B: OS/Cult were very pissed at mafia for killing two of their numbers. I.e., Ludi had absolutely no reason to lie when he posted about his suspects of who mafia are and who was cleared as non-mafia.

C: Ludi posted saying they knew I wasn't mafia VIA OS (in other words, OS used something on me).

D: This may seem absolutely a dumb reason for me to be not-mafia, but don't you think any fake-claiming mafia would have pretended to be blocked? That way A: I throw suspscion on the roleblockers and B: I don't have to clear/accuse anyone. But this really isn't that important.

[Blackberry]

I didn't know there was a 'Make sure you can see them' PM >_<.

[Blackberry]

Nobody is calling you mafia; so your arguments are straw men.

I listed my arguments as to why

I can not mafia

and you attacked

those

arguments as to why I could be cult

when they are about me being mafia or not

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Are you a f#cking idiot?

[Blackberry]

Nobody is calling you mafia; so your arguments are straw men.

I listed my arguments as to why

I can not mafia

and you attacked

those

arguments as to why I could be cult

when they are about me being mafia or not

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Are you a f#cking idiot?

I listed my arguments as to why

you should be investigated as CULT

and you attacked

those

arguments by

claiming you cannot be MAFIA....

Are you a f#cking idiot?

Incorrect, I listed why you are an idiot.

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[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p3476117]Ludi was double-blocked N3, there is no way that I am recruited. I believe OS specifically stated he was lying to get Toasty lynched.

This is my reason why I can't be Culted. You ignored this.

It should be pretty obvious I'm not MAFIA-aligned because OS used something on me to prove I'm not mafia and thus his conclusion that I am town.

Where/when did OS use an ability on you and how/why should we believe OS's claim? You realize OS was cult? You realize cult's objectives are not the same as town's objectives?

You also realize that if you WERE recruited, then you are on OS's team and he would be trying to keep you safe/out of suspicion.

The above was my reason why I can't be Mafia, yet, you choose to attack these reasons.

You are the one here that took my NON-MAFIA reasons and attacked them for CULT REASONS. I.e., you = idiot.

[Blackberry]

Ludi was a cult. He was pissed off at mafia for killing two of his men. He seemed very sincere when he posted who was cleared. On top of that, I already know he is telling the truth so I know furthermore that his intention is to help the town when he posted his bit.

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Let's See:

Tans is lazy
Kast is pissing me off
Vezok isn't scumhunting
Killjoy's replacement seems a bit off (I'm guessing he's new)
Toasty hasn't done anything and is literally the only non-WL who hasn't been investigated
Hiplop seems more concerned with online shopping and proving himself town than actually scumhunting

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I hate you all

[Blackberry]

I just thought of something conscerning the Vanillalizer/Delayer scenario.

We know Vanillializer is terms of NAR goes first because we know Kast/Tans didn't get results.

In other words, if Vanillalizer goes first, it is possible the Delayer has no affect on him. I.e., if Delayer and Vanillalizer target eachother, the result is Delayer is vanillialized. Evidence is the fact that Tans/Toasty have both been Vanillliazed, thus, Roleblocks come after Vanillliaing. O_o

I need to think this through to see if it makes sense.

[Blackberry]

I like Killjoy, but I'm tempted to ask him to replace out so yet another person plays Nikanor's position and I get a good idea of what's going on XD.

... Here is a summary for you Killjoy, I kind of forgot you asked...

Claimed White-Lanterns:

Hiplop - has been low key and under the radar (IMO)
Nikanor/Killjoy - Day 1 faked a Cop and got a mafia lynched

Blackberry - Claimed Cop, replaced in Day 2, IMMIEDIATELY asked Nikanor about his cop claim, being, being a MAFIA COP, Blackberry knew that a 'Cop' wouldn't also be in the game. BB has both innocents on Vezok & Kast. Interestingtly, BB has not been roleblocked at all and has survived 2 nights after coming forward. BB suspects Godfather or he has suspected (BEFORE HE EVEN CLAIMED) that there is a redirector BECAUSE his results had a change in the way they were worded.

Toasty - claimed Jailkeeper AFTER Nikanor faked another guilty result on Toasty. This is an interesting exchange to look into. Basically, Toasty said 'you couldn't have got a guilty on me because I jailkept you' which brings into question if Toasty is telling the truth, or he was forced into this claim because there was a faked guilty on him. Toasty claims to have been Vanillialized N4, after he was supposed to block Nikanor/Killjoy.

Tanstalas - Claimed a villian role that is town this game. I.e., a mafia isn't likely to have a 'villian' role and outright claim it (IMO). Outted Andrius (who was later revealed to be mafia) as Roleblocker Day 2. Day 2, Tans was one of three individuals that claimed to have been 'vanillialized' (one of which was Mera, who is now a dead town). Tans has been pretty quiet since then.

Kast - Claimed to be a tracker Night 1 and saw Tans target Andrius. He supposed dropped hints that he did this before Tans revealed that he targetted Andrius. Kast was also vanillialized Night 2 and did not get a tracking result. Interesting, Day 3 he did not come in and would not admit his target right away despite the fact he had stated the Day before that he was going to track me. One would think someone who tracked someone (me) would say 'I tracked BB but I got vanillilized'. Yet all Kast said was he got vanillialized. Slightly suspect, but BB has an innocent on him. Vezok also claims to have delayed Kast that night, i.e., is it impossible for him to be the vanillializer?

Vezok - Claimed delayer. Delayed Kast N2 when 3 people claimed to be vanillialized. Delayed Tans N4 when Toast claims to be vanillialized. This would suggest that neither Tans nor Kast can be the Vanillializer if Toasty is telling the truth. Vezok doesn't scumhunt.

[Blackberry]

Kast - it'd be 200x times simpiler if instead of constantly linking back to posts, you state word for word what ALL your crumbs were, with post numbers, as well as when Tans came out with the information about Andrius, so we can therefore know you indeed stated this before Tans admitted to targetting Andrius. I don't have the eneregy to read through all of your posts, which then link back to another post, etc., etc. All I keep finding is you saying 'I crumbed blah blah blah' and then link to another link.

[Blackberry]

My
brain
can
not
process
who
is
scum.

In my opinion, Tans/Kast are kinda clear. There is an innocent on everyone but Toasty and the WLs. Do we really think the WLs are fake claims for scum? ... But then, do we really think mafia had two roleblocking-ish powers? X_x

Let's lynch Toasty >_<.

I think.

*cries because he is massively confused*

Or should we just kill Vezok?

My opinion: There is one mafia GOON left (Vezok or Toasty). And there is one RECRUITED MAFIA (remember unrecruitable vs. uncultable) that is amongst the WLs.

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Also, if three people were vanillized Night 2, I really, really, don't think someone else (Toasty) would be vanillilized Night 4. This just doesn't add up at all.

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Also hiplop, why didn't you protect me at all? Wtf? And why would a BG turn into a Mid-day Cop... isn't BG more powerful? O.o

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Also, once again, remember my Toasty = Jailkeeper = that one red lantern that WOULD be in Brightest Day makes a lot of sense...

Right now:

One of Vezok/Toasty is mafia
One of hiplop/Killjoy is mafia

I don't think I'll be waivering from that. >_< ...

What if the Vezok/Toasty is investigation-immune, and then hiplop/killjoy is recruited and thus turns up innocent for whatever reason and that is why I haven't been blocked/killed? O.o just an idea...

[Blackberry]

Errr, just a correction, when I said MAFIA GOON, I simply meant, ORIGINAL MAFIA (vs. recrutied mafia). The goon = godfather in my scenario if it's Vezok, if it's Toasty then it doesn't matter >_<.

@Kast - saying they killed Muffin to implicate you doesn't make sense when I was going to investigate you in the plan >_<

[Blackberry]

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p3479185]Blackberry, Toasty is not mafia. He has confirms from others and it makes no sense to have 2 scum roleblockers. if you are using Poe then the scum team lies within Kast Vezok and Hiplop.[/quote]

Vezok is also a 'roleblocker'-ish role --_--. Confirmed by OS N1.

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And as I said before, I think Andrius/Toasty claimed Andrius' real roleblocks together is a possibility. And now that Andrius is gone, Toasty is suddenly vanilllialized... hmmmm. Toasty's only confirmed roleblocked is OS N2 I believe.

I don't think ANY of Andrius/Toasy's roleblocks were ever confirmed except for OS N2 and N4 they both claimed to have targetted Ludi.

[Blackberry]

Toasty - what are you even talking about?

Do you know what isn't speculation?
Vezok - innocent result
Tans - innocent result
Kast - innocent result
hiplop - WL
killjoy - WL

Where do you think that leaves you Toasty?

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You know what, I'm fine with hiplop using his investigation on me. I've stated time and time again that OS used something on me and Ludi clearly states that to indicate I am not aligned with the mafia. If yall are too dumb to see that, waste the investigation on me if it clears your doubts >_<.

I do agree with Kast's idea that, hypothetically, I could still be part of the cult somehow, though, keep in mind, both Toasty and Andrius claimed to have blocked Ludi N3.

[Blackberry]

eh for someone whos paid lots of attention to the night roles and stuff: is it possible Andy/toasty are both scum, and andy just roleblocked for what toasty "did"?

I have said this twenty times already -_-

[Blackberry]

Vezok... are you still not hunting scum?

My mind keeps racing and thinks we're getting to screw everything up and that I'm missing something. But the pure fact you're not doing anything is similar to what Andrius did when he was like "Oh well, we're going to lose, let's give up, lalala."

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Toasty, why aren't you voting your scum-partner Vezok? I'm highly curious.

[Blackberry]

Also, Kast, if you say straw man one more time I will unrelentingly vote you until you are dead.

Number 1 scum-tell in my books: Using terms such as WIFOM, etc., etc. Mafia do this to try to make others look bad with a preestablished theory. What they don't realize is that they use it too much, moreso, than normal townies do. You keep saying strawman over and over is making me highly suspect of you >_<.

[Blackberry]

@ Hiplop & Killjoy - Are yall in the Justice League?

@ Vezok - Are you in the Justice League?

[Blackberry]

I would almost prefer the investigation be used on me so people stop having doubts.

Show of hands - who here trusts me 100% to be town?

[Blackberry]

I don't believe you Toast >_<

There is always the possibility there's only 1 mafia left (Godfather) and hence why I'm not dead/blocked.

And that person could be Vezok and this could be game over.

*strikes chin*

Vezok, do you have anything to say? I'm going to check real quick to see if you're lurking or just not here. If I see you're actively ignoring this thread you're getting my vote XD.

[Blackberry]

Eeeeeee.

I don't know what to do.

I feel like I'm making a mistake if I vote Vezok.

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Let's recap:

* Tans can't be vanillializer because he was delayed last Night 4
* Kast can't be vanillializer because he was delayed Night 2 (*confirmed 100%, Kast can't be Vanillalizer unless Vezok is scum)
* Vezok apparently blocked/delayed OS N1 - OS confirmed
* Toasty apparently blocked OS N2 - OS confirmed
* Hiplop is a claimed WL
* Nikanor/Killjoy is a claimed WL

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Toasty/Tans is a possible combination

(What if Tans is a power copy theif, he can select someone, and becomes that power the rest of the game)... then Tans decided to select his own mafia partner so they can have two roleblockers... then Tans roleblocks OS Night 2 (maybe Nikanor N1), fakes vanillialized, then claims Toasty's roleblocks the rest of the game.

This seems like a theory that really, really works out. And Toasty is also some sort of Godfather thing. Maybe I was SUPPOSED to be roleblocked last night but Tans got delayed (*lightbulb*) and that explains why I have results. And so Toasty decided to claim vanillialized because he didn't block Nikanor as planned and knew he had to claim vanillia.

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Thoughts?

Actually, thinking about it, 3 people getting Vanillialized in ONE NIGHT, that has to be a ONE SHOT sort of thing. The fact that Toasty was supposed to roleblock Nikanor and conviently gets Vanillilized is really odd to me.

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I think I'm onto something with the Toasty thing...

I 100% want to vote Toasty right now. I'm still not sure what to do with Vezok.

[Blackberry]

Also, keep in mind, me and Vezok are the only two people left with night actions to use... if he is town I hate you all >_<

[Blackberry]

Thinking about it:

There's no way THREE people are Vanillialized one night and ONE person is Vanillialized another night and there is nothing explaining what blocked it Night 1 and 3.

There's the following solutions:
* Someone was drill sargeanted Night 2 and one of Kast or Tans is faking

* It was a one-shot triple person vanillializer (like the anti-cult thing) and Toasty is lying

I think the bolded makes the most sense.

F#ck waiting for hiplop to investigate Toasty, I say we lynch Toasty, use the investigation on me to prove I've been telling the truth. >_<

[Blackberry]

Vote: Toasty

Kast - I suggest you do the same before Toasty gets on and tries to hammer Vezok in an attempt to get a lynch out of it.

[Blackberry]

Did u even read my theory Toast?

My theory was mafia had one rolebloxker and one permanent copier and they decided to copy ther own power to have two rolebloxkers and so they can make that exact argument that mafia doesn't have two rolebloxkers and that u r claiming tans' RB

Toasty who do you think is scum? Kast? A WL?

Right now there are 3 blocking roles and 4 investigative roles claimed. ...

[Blackberry]

What are your reasons for those pairings? O.o

[Blackberry]

I agree with your assessment of hiplop. He claimed last and despite three other investigative roles being alive - he claimed a day cop

Although - oh wait nevermind - I was going to say a midday cop doesn't fit with the mafia / cult cop ... BUT specifically he doesn't become a cop until cult is dead.

I agree with Kast forcing thing. My gut says not to trust him. But it also said the same about tans and Nikanor

Nik/tans/Kast scum team ... Thoughts? Mafia started with 6 and had one recruit which was Nikanor.

Ahhhhhh

Technically speaking - Nikanor or Killjoy are the only options for vanilliazer. And killjoy is more likely. Plus my gut says Nikanor changed significantly day2/3 forward.

Does anyone think a lie detector is an odd claim? I'd rather be BP than lie detect once. And Kast has a point about the conditional thing.

[Blackberry]

Technically speaking - *HIPLOP or Killjoy/Nikanor are the only options for vanilliazer. And Killjoy/Nikanor is more likely. Plus my gut says Nikanor changed significantly day2/3 forward.

[edited]

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Vezok, say something, k thx.

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@Killjoy, no, you were blocked N1, vanillializer happened N2. Actually, if you were also blocked/delayed Night 3, then you are 100% prime suspect for vanillailizer. I have to check what Toasty & Vezok did because I forget >_<

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OS confirms Vezok N1 block... O_o

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My gut still says kill Kast...

[Blackberry]

WOW GUYS.

We're idiots.

NIGHT 1: Nikanor is jailkept - no one is vanillized

NIGHT 2: Nikanor is not blocked - 3 *claimed* vanillized (one of Tans/Kast is probably lying) - Nikanor might also be a likely target of a drill sergeant

NIGHT 3: Nikanor is delayed - no one is vanillized

NIGHT 4: Nikanor is not blocked - 1 vanillizlied (I'm pretty sure based on the fact Kast didn't get a result N2, that Vanillilize happens before a roleblock ... or the possibility Nikanor was blocked, but the delay goes through, in the scenario he wasn't blocked, it's possible his delay vanilllize was on either Ludi or OS, but was delayed, etc.)

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Unvote, Vote: Killjoy

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Killjoy is the ONLY person blocked Night 1 and Night 3 that's still alive... this makes lots of sense. Add in the fact that:

* Tans was delayed Night 4
* Kast was delayed Night 2
* OS confirmed Vezok's delay Night 1
* OS confirmed Toasty's block Night 2

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You only have me/hiplop/killjoy left

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As I said before, if hiplop fake-claimed, why claim ANOTHER cop when he was last to go and could do ANYTHING?

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As for me, as I said before, OS cleared me with something. The fact of a Midday Cop claim and Lie Detector claim highly suggests the mod uses day investigative roles and that OS most likely used one of those on me, as we knew he also had a Day Vig as well.

[Blackberry]

If Killjoy flips mafia, I think Kast is likely the other mafia.

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Although now thinking about it... technically, if Vanillializer TARGETTED Nikanor both those nights, that also explains the situation. BUT there is no REASON to target Nikanor when I was a claimed cop.

The fact I was getting results tells me mafia have been waiting/hoping I get Godfather so I can announce them innocent. Which makes me think Vezok is NOT a godfather.

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[Blackberry]

WOW GUYS.

We're idiots.

NIGHT 1: Nikanor is jailkept - no one is vanillized

NIGHT 2: Nikanor is not blocked - 3 *claimed* vanillized (one of Tans/Kast is probably lying) - Nikanor might also be a likely target of a drill sergeant

NIGHT 3: Nikanor is delayed - no one is vanillized

NIGHT 4: Nikanor is not blocked - 1 vanillizlied (I'm pretty sure based on the fact Kast didn't get a result N2, that Vanillilize happens before a roleblock ... or the possibility Nikanor was blocked, but the delay goes through, in the scenario he wasn't blocked, it's possible his delay vanilllize was on either Ludi or OS, but was delayed, etc.)

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Unvote, Vote: Killjoy

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Killjoy is the ONLY person blocked Night 1 and Night 3 that's still alive... this makes lots of sense. Add in the fact that:

* Tans was delayed Night 4
* Kast was delayed Night 2
* OS confirmed Vezok's delay Night 1
* OS confirmed Toasty's block Night 2

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You only have me/hiplop/killjoy left

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As I said before, if hiplop fake-claimed, why claim ANOTHER cop when he was last to go and could do ANYTHING?

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As for me, as I said before, OS cleared me with something. The fact of a Midday Cop claim and Lie Detector claim highly suggests the mod uses day investigative roles and that OS most likely used one of those on me, as we knew he also had a Day Vig as well.

QFT (Reposting on top of this page for emphasis for you lazies out there *cough*tans*cough*)

[Blackberry]

How do u know they're scum?

I'm voting Kast next anyways XD

[Blackberry]

HIPLOP I aLready have an innocent on vezok!!

Tans and Toasty are unchecked. Or me.

[Blackberry]

Kill - what were OS's night/day actions?

[Blackberry]

Kill - did u kill muffin?

[Blackberry]

*Technically*

speaking - only me or hiplop can be the Vanillializer. Or Toasty if Andrius blocked OS Night 2. I feel Toasty had the same thoughts I have though, and it is my belief mafia can't fake genuine thought processes town has, they can only pretend to, so I think Toasty is town...

Unless, vanillializing happens before roleblocks, which means we have ANOTHER recruit, which means we're utterly f#cked in the face.

Also, we know Cult had a WL fake-claim. This gives me the idea that mafia would also have a WL fake-claim so that they aren't out of the loop.

Also, about Nikanor: I told you so. ^_^

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To recap, Toasty is the only person I'm sure is non-mafia. Vezok looks pretty clear too IMO as non-mafia.

Kast, Tans, Hiplop

If there IS a cult recruit, I'll focus on him/her tomorrow, because we NEED to catch Mafia today. If there's only one mafia left though then we still have an extra chance tomorrow ^_^.

[Blackberry]

Vote: Hiplop

Yes, I just did that. XD

* As I said, pretty sure Mafia have a WL fake-claim too (I'm really good at outguessing the mod - balance wise, if cult has a WL fake-claim it is only fair Mafia have a WL fake-claim too so they know what's going on, and so that not all the WLs are town).
* Plus PoE says he or Toast has to be Vanillializer and Toasty is pretty town with his reads/thoughts.
* And on top of that, the bodyguard thing says a lot.
* Not to add, hiplop has been coasting all game on his WL claim, sitting pretty in the background.

Plus, a Bodyguard --> Midday Cop doesn't make much sense.

Tans or Kast has to be the other, strongly leaning Kast because of his play and because Tans outted Andrius as a Roleblocker D2. Toasty RBed OS Night 2- confirmed. Vezok delayed OS Night 1 - confirmed. Tans was delayed last night - there was a kill and a vanillia - pretty much confirms him non-mafia.

I'm fine with hiplop investigating ME. If he claims a guilty, I then KNOW he is mafia. If he claims an innocent, he is only clearing me and condemning Kast/himself to death.

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My cop results were (Toasty? asked):

N1 - FrozenMirror (Not aligned with mafia)
*N2 - Muffin (Not aligned with mafia)
*N3 - Vezok (Not aligned with mafia)
*N4 - Kast (Not aligned with mafia)

[Blackberry]

Kast was delayed N2
Tans was delayed N4

Vanillialization happened both nights. If we prescribe to the theory that Vanillia happens first, that means there's ANOTHER recruit still alive and we're screwed.

I.e., mafia know at this moment whether or not we have to worry about another cult member.

[Blackberry]

How would Hiplop hammering Vezok be an auto-mafia win?

Mafia didn't even know there was a cult for sure, because the hint at a cult was in the mafia's kill falvor. Mafia would still have to survive another lynch so they'd want to stay under the radar. Kast, do you not think Vezok/Hiplop is a combination?\

@Kast - you say I am ignoring problem parts, what parts am I ignoring? You're ignoring the fact OS knew he was roleblocked Night 1 and Vezok claimed that roleblock. You're also ignoring the part where Tans targetted Andrius Night 1 - which you saw - what is your explanation for why mafia targeted eachother Night 1?

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I thought Pinata might mean if we had lynched him earlier he would sent out the rings ahead of time (break him, presents come out). Especially since once rings WERE sent out he changed roles anyways and lost the Pinata part .

[Blackberry]

Unvote

Just to consider.

Hiplop needs to post & his investigation result.

[Blackberry]

Let me ask some mod questions - just a second XD.

[Blackberry]

wtf is wrong with you I already knew that

[Blackberry]

Hiplop - are you scumhunting?

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I feel like Tans/Hiplop/Vezok are just going 'lalala'

and Me/Toasty/Kast are the only ones giving a f#ck about what happens

[Blackberry]

--_--

I meant:

Toasty is the only person who I think is very town anyways because of his behavior. With Nik dead, we now know every single person Andrius voted was non-mafia (Except Toasty) which leads me to believe Andrius doesn't bus and thus Toasty is non-mafia.

Tans is who you should have checked.

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You HAVE to send in at twilight? That sounds like a lie...

[Blackberry]

toastytoast, is town.

Just to clarify, your result is 'Town'?

What are your different results possible?

[Blackberry]

I have mod confirmation that vanillialization happens AFTER roleblocking... i.e, there is no more recruited players. Regardless, I ALSO have confirmation that if there WAS a culted-person (just one) that the only way he/she wins is if he is one of the last two players standing AND it would result in a JOINT win.

=D

No more cult worries, only mafia worries.

[Blackberry]

Oh, and at Kast, I would get a non-mafia if it was mafia - turned - cult.

In other words, if a mafia-turned-cult happened, it is in OUR advantage, because now they can ONLY win if they are in the final two with a TOWN member, not a mafia member.

But, as I said, roleblocking happens before vanillialization (and before delaying). So toasty's roleblock went through. I think... I guess I didn't technically ask about Jailkeeping, but vanillializing DOES go last. Let me check, I think that's what it says.

[Blackberry]

Vanillialization resolves after a lot of things (redirection, roleblocking, protection) but before killing.

[Blackberry]

Hiplop, contribute more instead of just saying 'this makes sense'

You and Tans are disgusting me right now. Play the game before I cut you.

@Kast, with the revelation that there can ONLY be a recruit if ToastyToast lied about blocking Nikanor, how do you react to that? I.e., there's only two mafia left.

THIS IS LYLO BITCHES, DON'T JUST THROW OUT A VOTE AND SAY 'OK'... POST SOME CONTENT.

[Blackberry]

Can someone analyze the lynched mafias and makes guesses from there about what's going on? XD

[Blackberry]

@Mod - if someone is modkilled does the day continue or do we go to night?

[Blackberry]

How can Kast be Vanilliaizer if you DELAYED him the same night 2 other people were vanilliaized? Don't you think you would remember this fact :-/...

I think all four of you are scum, except me and Toasty >_<.

[Blackberry]

Been thinking things through, still think it's Kast/Hiplop.

Kast - are you aware it's against the rules to encrypt messages/cryptography into your posts? This is severely frowned upon by most mods. Also to boot, it is especailly against the rules if you are doing so to inform your fellow mafia members of your results.

@Mod - I request a modkill on Kast for encrypting secret messages into his posts AND for doing so to tell his mafia partners of his results. =P

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Relooking @ Kast's posts, I think it was mafia telling his minions what he found out at night. Why else post it so early and right away? What was Kast's intentions? Kast included it in his very first post, ASAP, after death occured. Would a REAL tracker go through that trouble, or only mafia trying to get a message to their partners?

[Blackberry]

That isn't

crumbing

, it's

cryptography/encrypting a secret message

.

Mafia Specific Rules

:

•Do not talk outside the game thread about an ongoing game except where allowed to do so by your role. Likewise, do not use bbcode to hide

secret messages - this equates to discussion outside the thread

.

As stated by the Mafia Specific Rules, cryptography is similar to talking outside the thread, especially if another party (fellow mafia members) know how to decrypt the code.

The Front Page States:

12. Do not edit or delete your posts, if you have access to do so. Do not post in colors other than the default. Do not post in sizes smaller than the default.

Do not encrypt anything in your posts.

Other Games State:

08. No cryptography, tiny invisible text or other shenanigans. I reserve the right to call shenanigans. So if you're wanting to do something shifty, ask me first.

[Blackberry]

Do you know anything about law? It's not about the exact wording, it's about the principal and logic behind the law.

In this case, the logic is: Do not use secret code, it equates to talking outside the thread (especially if another party knows exactly how to decrypt the code).

[Blackberry]

I think it's odd you barely post Tans, and then when I say this you're perfectly fine with posting O_o.

[Blackberry]

KAST, as I just said, if there is a F#CKING culted mafia, and they are the only cult alive, they can only win if they are the final two with a town member, in which case it is a joint win. THIS IS MOD-F#CKING CONFIRMED.

Why the hell are your arguing against something that is mod-confirmed?

Also, MOD-F#CKING CONFIRMED that roleblocks happen BEFORE vanillialization, so Toasty's roleblock went through and there is no recruit.

If Tans or Kast are the final recruit and you were mafia and know the last mafia, I will guarantee you a spot in the final 2 slot.

[Blackberry]

Actually, the recruit could only be you or Tans since everyone else voted for Killjoy.

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And as I said already, there is no cult remaining, so you're a dumb twat for continuing on with an impossible theory.

Unvote, Vote: Kast

Tans, Vezok, Toasty, go go go!

[Blackberry]

Kast: Think about it. I delay someone a night. If it was a single lynch the next night the ability goes on. If it's second lynch it takes twice as much time for the ability to come back.

This doesn't make much sense to me

[Blackberry]

That's like saying 'I have a cop and it's much more powerful because of Double Day. This way if I find two mafia, I can out them both and get them both lynched before we go to night and I die...' ... Makes no sense XD.

[Blackberry]

I will make both Mafia and Town a deal.

If you can find me a job, I will help your side win.

(i.e., Mafia, if you find me a job, I'll vote however yall want, it'll be 3 v 3, i.e., you'll automatically win ^_^).

Ready... go!

[Blackberry]

Right now Hiplop is the vanillializer.

The only way Hiplop isn't Vanillializer is if Toasty is lying

or

Vezok is lynching, which would involve a roleblock on OS night 1 from Andrius which would mean Vezok/Tans are lying together, which I doubt.

I.e., Hiplop is Vanillializer.

UNLESS

There is a redirector and Night 2 Vezok was redirected to someone else. Or Vezok was redirected last night (doubt it, it'd be on me instead by now).

[Blackberry]

How are we supposed to win this if the only one posting is the crazy ADHD guy (me)?

Unvote, Vote: Hiplop

Vezok, Toasty, get on this shit.

[Blackberry]

Hiplop, you're L-2 in LyLo.

Make a statement, or die.

[Blackberry]

(That was in reference to the fact that you were online and viewing the Theme Park thread)

[Blackberry]

Ready to throw down a vote where? O_o

[Blackberry]

*chin scratch*

[Blackberry]

I'm just curious you agreed with me XD.

[Blackberry]

I don't think Vezok is godfather. I think Godfather was someone who I hadn't investigated yet, because I was not blocked nor killed, suggesting Mafia was completely fine with me investigating, suggesting I hadn't hit the Godfather yet because they wanted me to reveal an innocent on them (i.e., Kast).

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I concur with Toasty's theory that mafia would have at least ONE person being vocal/active/talkative.

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Tans is playing nothing like he did when he was town with me in a previous game. He was very vocal and threw out a lot of theories kinda like me.

[Blackberry]

HIPLOP IS AT L-1

>_<

[Blackberry]

@hiplop: Detailed Kast opinion nao plz

[Blackberry]

That is all your post?

This reads as: "I'm mafia, I don't think we'll win, I give up."

You're not even trying. How do you expect to convince anyone if you're not even f#cking trying? We're at LyLo and that is ALL you post.

WTF?

[Blackberry]

The fact he didn't do that originally and the fact he consistently is lurking but not posting should be evidence enough we're on the right track...

[Blackberry]

I think it's clear it's either:

Hiplop/Kast, or Hiplop/Vezok

Kill Hiplop today.

We sort the rest out tomorrow.

We win.

^_^

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What night actions do you want explained Kast?

Hiplop is vanillializer. Kast is mafia Godfather who kept me alive and unblocked so I would check him or something >_<.

[Blackberry]

Still thinking...

Lalala.

@Mod - If I was a mafia roleblocker, and the only mafia still remaining, would I be able to submit a roleblock AND a kill?

[Blackberry]

Kast, explain the OS N1 block if Vezok is scum. Is Vezok a real delayer?

[Blackberry]

Also, if Vezok was scum faking a delay on a vanillilized role, why not select WLC/Mera instead? That would have made sense to fake. But instead he selected you, which makes *me* think he's being more honest.

[Blackberry]

I think killjoy was lying about the tracker fake claim because OS never mentioned it. I do think he was telling the truth about the BG thing and that's how he came up with the idea of saying Kast is lying too. I think it's completely possible to be vezok/hiplop as well but at this point hiplop has all but claimed mafia

Kast - explain to me why hiplop isn't doing shit at LYLO when he's about to get lynched.

[Blackberry]

idk what to say :\ im town

Town does not say this in LyLo-especially when we've come this far in a big game. Defeated scum say this.

[Blackberry]

Hiplop is confirmed scum. Let's stop stalling.

[Blackberry]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - Vezok, why did you just do that?

I posted at the top of the page saying he was at L-1 for those of you who just skim stuff and was hoping in the event I was wrong about it being hiplop that scum would try to quick hammer, and that looks like exactly what Vezok just attempted to do.

Uhhhhhhh

*thinking*

[Blackberry]

Oh, I forgot I meta'ed Hiplop on my iPhone last night and he isn't acting how he did when he was town about to get lynched. He was a lot more aggressive and at the moment I've seen him lurk several times, i.e., it says he is browing the Theme Park thread but then he doesn't post.

I can see hiplop/vezok or hiplop/Kast right now.

If I die, lynch VEZOK and KAST tomorrow. There is NO MORE CULT. The mod specifically told me, ROLEBLOCKS, DELAYS, REDIRECTS, go BEFORE Vanillializing. I.e., Toasty's roleblock went through guaranteed.

[Blackberry]

Too late now. XD

Let's see how this cookie crumbles.

Scum can celebrate now if they won >_<.

[Blackberry]

Vezok, delay Kast tonight.

[Blackberry]

@Kast
- I suspected Nikanor the entire flipping game on a gut read. The vanillia thing was just to get other people on him as well.
- I suspected you the moment you didn't say 'I tried to track BB but got vanilliazed' - the fact you never stated what you tried to do suggest you weren't authentic
- The modkill thing was out of boredom and to let mod and others know that it shouldn't be acceptable. =P

[Blackberry]

O_o what if Toasty is culted...

DUN DUN DUNNN

[Blackberry]

What if me an BB were part of a secret gay cult of death who infiltrated the world of comic books? And we survived this whole time through the power of the RaInBoW Lantern Corps

I LOVE THIS IDEA! LET'S DO IT!

RAINBOW LANTERNS, UNITE!

[Blackberry]

No no no. They claimed vanillializrr. They just said that they didn't do it to Toasty. Right?

[Blackberry]

Also, we didn't vanillize WLC. That was either Tans doing some kind of reflection or Peregrine's ability.

Oooo I misread that part I thought it said Toasty the first time around. They're still claiming vanillializrr though

[Blackberry]

@Kast - don't you think it's kind of rude and disrespectful to the mod to 'quit' a game like that? Where's your integrity?

[Blackberry]

Lol, I already claimed character and color XD.

[Blackberry]

I think we can all agree:

Blackberry was the best player here!

lol

...

Also, why didn't yall block/kill/something me? I was sooo close to investigating hiplop both past two nights . I change my mind very quickly as you have seen, had I waited a bit or submitted my action at a different time, I might have easily changed it to hiplop. >_<

[Blackberry]

How did Kast know that Tans targetted Andrius?

[Blackberry]

Ya, I don't know if Kast would have been lynched 100%.

Sure, me & Toast would have been on that. But Tans and Vezok - I have no idea XD.