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NEW RULE: Any player with a username containing more than one capitalized letter must post the first sentence of their post in pig-latin.
Also, when referring to any player that is dead you must refer to them as
"The user formerly known as" followed by their role name.
These rules are fun."Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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Sorry Mathcam, but mine was meant as a joke. As you said, it was one of the FIRST rules.
But then it was followed by these wonderful ones:
Untrod Tripod wrote: My idea is that when someone makes an impossible rule, they must speak for the rest of the day in song (rhyming) form.
However, two occurances of an illegal rule will limit their posts to six a day.
Ouch; Three occurances of an illegal rule result in the person not being allowed to post all day.Mr. Gnome It All wrote:Grip of Chaos:All night choices will be reselected at random!bloojay wrote:All those who have 3 or more vowels in their username must refer to themselves and everyone else in the third personform now on. all failure to comply will result in being sent to the Song Zone, whhere you must compose a song including at least 5 words from the previous post.
Let's not forget Coolbot's confusing little rule...Spoon wrote:My rule: All players with a name not starting with a capital letter cannot make their posts longer then two sentences
So maybe if you're going after somebody that needlessly confused the game you should focus on Mr. Gnome it all and his Night Choice restrictions.CoolBot wrote:New rule: We are now in the Rule Mirror Zone. Thus, if a rule says a certain group must do something, than that group doesn't have do it, but everybody else does."Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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I'm thinking about some choices that could keep us with a kill-free night.
Wondering if "No roles with night choices are allowed to submit tonight"
is considered unfair...
but that's kinda anti-cop-ish
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This will be horribly obvious though, it's not when a person votes for someone that is suspicious, it's who they actually vote for. Obviously, that sentence doesn't work when scum are about to be lynched and other scum jump on to look pro-town.Mr. Gnome It All wrote:However, I think it should also include some kind of time restraint so that someone doesn't just post three times going "vote unvote vote unvote vote"!
Still, if one player does this:
Vote xxx, unvote, vote yyy, vote zzz unvote
It is common practice for scum to "random" vote other scum at the start of the game to disassociate them from each other.
I'll add my vote to MGIA after a count shows up."Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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What?
Why do we need Hobbes to be confirmed? This is a Calvin and Hobbes Mafia game, he is obviously in the game, and there is no scenario i can see that Hobbes would possibly be anti-town...
Mom and Dad however, I could see being a small mafia group, maybe with a non-kill related win condition. (ie. find calvin and meet with his teachers or something) If they are indeed role-blockers I think that a variation of modargo's plan should be attempted.
UT targets Gnome for a kill
Gnome targets UT for a block
If Gnome was lying, well he's dead and we dont need to worry about him.
Otherwise, Gnome is a confirmed role-blocker.
Docs, however if this plan is to work, should definetly NOT target either of the two. Well, Maybe target UT, Is anybody aware whether or not a doc protection stops role-block attempts?"Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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Umm, why endanger a random player with a vig kill if Gnome is lying, this is basically allowing Gnome to be a serial killer.Shelper wrote:Going by modargo's latest plan, let's see if i understood correctly.
Gnome blocks tripod.
tripod shoots random player.
We can also put a doc on tripod, but not Gnome because then we wouldnt know if Gnome's block worked or if it was just the doc protection.If Tripod eats Gnome and Gnome successfully blocks tripod, they'll both be safe, and confirmed since neither will die.
Why put the rest of the town at more risk when we could simply allow for:
If Gnome isnt a role-blocker, as he said,he dies.
Exactly why we're telling the doctors to NOT TARGET GNOME. I think modargo is most definetly pro-town with the amount of effort he's putting into this.modargo wrote: If UT targets Gnome, how can know the difference between Gnome not dying because UT was roleblocked and Gnome not dying because a doctor who believed him protected him? Yes, there's a chance that UT will be specifically told that he was roleblocked; but there's also a chance that he won't be told, and there's no need to take that risk.
From what I can see there are two possible ways my plan can go wrong:
But neither of them should ever happen.
-Gnome is telling the truthand gets blocked himself. This should not happen since role-blockers are almost certainly pro-town
-Gnome is lying, and a very stupid doctor protects him, the town then believes he is confirmed. Also should not happen since doctors are usually pro-town and not-retarded.
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A few things...
What the hell are you doing? Revealing that you're a cop out of the blue with no pressure on you? If we had some way to coordinate our docs I would hope one of them would protect UT and the other protect our claimed alien finder. Also, now that you are outed, who did you check last night?Zoneace wrote:the thing is that if i find out someone is an alien i will vote for them because my role tells me that they are who i should be getting rid of. so if someone is outed as an alien i will do my best to lynch them
UT wrote:YOU BECOME HOBBES FOOD!
Sorry UT, didn't quite notice that but I knew you were Hobbes, Vig as soon as the above quote showed up
Exactly my point, he is aModargo wrote:God: Your plan allows for the mafia to kill Gnome, a claimed mason who is probably telling the truth, without worrying about doc protection.mason, he has not been confirmed.CLAIMED
No, you're dead if you are lying, or if the mafia feel like killing you, but you are forgetting about your earlier suspiciousness and the fact that you are not yet confirmed. In my mind it's better to risk an unconfirmed suspicious mason/blocker then a town full of unknown cops and doctors. Besides, even if you die and are revealed to be innnocent, your supposed better half can take over and become a lone role-blocker without being revealed. They also then have a claimable proved innocent role.Mr. Gnome It All wrote:But seriously, with God's plan, I'm dead no matter what. But, maybe, that's what he wants."Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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Everyone but myself and the corpses are scum until proven innocent.modargo wrote:"Scum? Why don't you just show me where he is proven to be scum?"
Granted. But it also keeps them both alive if they aren't.modargo wrote:My plan keeps them both (Gnome and UT) alive if they're innocent,
How do you suppose we know if he is lying? the doc protect would cancel the kill anyway, if the blockee is not told they have been blocked, then your plan is ruined. Unless you have some extra information about role-blockers in this game then I suggest we stick to my plan.modargo wrote:and allows Gnome to be lynched or vig-killed tomorrow if he's lying.
modargo wrote:Your planallows Gnome to die if they're both innocent, and onlykills Gnome a night earlier if he's lying, which isno actual benefit when you consider that if both Mom and Dad are scum, both would need to be killed to stop them.Emphasis mine
How is having scum dead earlier not a benefit in any case?
...Also, would you care to tell me how your plan magically reveals Dad?"Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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We shouldnt reveal any more possibly pro-town roles unless necessary, since the night plan will either confirm or have Gnome dead by the morning, we dont need Dad to come out.UT wrote:That's a little paranoid, En Pace, I believe mordargo and Gnome. Why don't we try to focus on revealing Dad right now?
Where have you ever seen role-blocking mafia members before? and why would they role-block if they could kill?UT wrote:This still does no ensure that the aliens(mafia) cannot block rather than kill."Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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Who would UT accidentally kill? We have decided on UT targetting Gnome.Korais666 wrote:There are so many ways this plan can backfire on us...
what if the mafia kills before the vig? the mafia could just kill gnome and UT would accidentally kill someone.
Besides, the mafia have better targets than a mason group.
Also, we need a doctor to protect Hobbes tonight.
As far as I see we have the night plan perfect. If Gnome is found eaten by a tiger than he was scum and we should look at those that were protecting him.
Yes, but wouldn't you rather have our innocents confirmed? Besides, other than having three pro-town night choices (Block, Protect, and Vigilante kill) decided upon for us, we aren't losing anything overnight, as it wouldn't be much better to have a random block and random doc protection instead.Korais666 also wrote:I already believe both of their claims, and I don't see why this checking is really nessicary
Also, I believe it was Zoneace that had some knowledge of aliens in the game? I think that it might be a subcatagory as suggested before, as I wonder whether or not Spaceman Spliff would be considered an alien."Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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I'm with Breakdown on this one, everything in his post is sound and he hasn't acted scummy IMO. That leaves me rather leadless though...
So I might as well....
Vote: Mathcam
He's sheep post made me laugh, therefore he is scum. (Besides the fact that he just jumped on the first bandwagon that popped up.)"Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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AAh, sorry I voted mathcam for basically no reason and had forgotten it was him that verified the calvin clone claim.unvote, simple mistake.
ME? The one that brought us the plan to confirm Gnome without putting YOU in danger?UT wrote:I'm actually leaning towards God being scum."Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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Sorry for the long post, but i had to, UT threw so much garbage out that i feel I must provide a defence for myCLEARLY PRO-TOWN PLAN
You mean if the docs ruin the plan entirely?1. I go for Gnome, Gnome blocks my action, we both get doc protection, mafia goes for either of us. No one dies.
Did you forget where I put this:2. I go for Gnome, Gnome blocks my action, I don't get doc protection, mafia goes for me, vig dies.way back on page 6, i wrote: We can also put a doc on tripod, but not Gnome because then we wouldnt know if Gnome's block worked or if it was just the doc protection
...and it says he was killed by the mafia, thus proving his roleblock ability and confirming Dad. Losing a mason, but it could be better than a random mafia target.3. I go for Gnome, Gnome blocks my action, he doesn't get doc protection, mafia goes for Gnome, he dies.
No comment, this is the giving both of you doc protection, which ruins the plan and is stupid.4. I go for Gnome, Gnome blocks my action, docs protect us, mafia goes for someone else. Anonymous Townie dies.
I'd LOVE for you to show me a role blocking mafia group. That's what I thought.5. I go for Gnome, Gnome blocks my action, mafia blocks Gnome's action, I kill him. Valuble role-blocker dies.
MAFIA BLOCKS??? WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS FROM??? Besides, THE DOCS HAVE BEEN TOLD TO PROTECT YOU.6. I go for Gnome, Gnome blocks my action, no docs protect either Gnome or myself, mafia blocks Gnomes action and goes for me. Both of us die.
Would you like to tell anyone where this is coming from? I have never seen it before, ever. Never.Yes, I am assuming that the mafia can roleblock. I feel that this is likely.
And of course, this:
Let me say it one more time. If we give him doc protection his ability is NOT CONFIRMED. Good idea though, having a plan that in effect, at optimal results,I was thinking about this, and what is probably going to happen (since God is scum) is that Gnome blocks my action, mafia kills Gnome because God didn't want to give him doc protection..DOES NOTHING
The game had stagnated, so i picked at random the person that looked like they had jumped on the bandwagon, that happened to be Cam. Without realizing he was the one that confirmed the Calvin Clone vanilla townie idea, i voted for him. And then i Unvoted once I realized it!EPR wrote:I'm beginning to think God is scum, because he random voted for cam, who is likely to be a vanilla calvin clone"Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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An unconfired role-blocking mason.UT wrote:So losing a random townie is somehow worse than a roleblocking mason?
No, here I say that if a doc protects Gnome, the plan is useless, since blocking an already protected against kill does nothing. It wouldn't confirm him at all.UT wrote:And here you say that losing a townie is BETTER than losing a vig or a roleblocker.
Wasting your nightkill? You are a vigilante (or so you say), is it not agreed that vigilantes should only focus on those that are suspicious for kills, and should rarely actually kill. It will be Night 2 and you are just waiting to throw out kills. You want a cop to come out? So, let me get this straight, a doc protecting you, a doc protecting Gnome, and a doc protecting some cop? How many doctors do you plan on having in this game?UT wrote:True, but a cop could always check him tonight instead of wasting my nightkill and Gnome's roleblock.
UT wrote:Well, since you don't mind a confirmed townie being confirmed as not having doc protection, why should I believe that you are a townie.HE IS NOT CONFIRMED YET! IF YOU GIVE HIM DOC PROTECTION HE WILL NOT BE CONFIRMED. I bolded it just so you could read it a few times over.
I would like an explanation of where your Mafia Role Blocker theory is coming from."Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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If my posts seem out-of-character, it is because they were written out of frustration.
I didn't respond well to UT's constant barrage of
And certainly was not pleased about:UT wrote:WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING?!
Also,UT wrote:HE IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM, LYNCH THE BASTARD!
I noticed that too, looking back at the original discussion of the plan you were in agreement, now, all of a sudden your mind has changed.EnPaceRequiscat wrote:it just strikes me that before you were about 50/50 on the plan, and now explosively/suddenly (I'm not sure, you could have been feeling this earlier already) against it, not to mention that your recent posts makes it look like you believe gnome to be a confirmed townie (I think he probably is, but I'm not 100% sure).
I was not definetively stating "There is no mafia roleblockers and never will be". I was simply frustrated by the fact that Tripod keeps suggesting it as if he has other information at hand. He seems sure there are mafia roleblockers but provides no evidence to back it up, other than his simple:Scalebane wrote:I have never played in or heard of a game in which there was a mafia roleblocker.
Therefore,
It is utterly absurd to believe that there is a mafia roleblocker in this game, stupid UT.
For the record, If I wasn't so sure that Hobbes must be in the game, and the vigilante role fits, and since nobody else has spoken, that Tripod is Hobbes, and is pro-town, I would be voting for him. I believe he is pro-town, and nevertheless I'd have to agree with cam, that I wouldn't care if he was turning up daisies on day 2.UT wrote:I feel that this is likely."Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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Where are you getting this from? I propose a plan to confirm a suspicious player overnight, you assume an improbable role to be in the game, thus ruining the plan, therefore I must have this role? Correct me if I'm wrong UT, but is this not the logic you are following:UT wrote:God = mafia scum
This plan works well in regular situations.
There is a role that is very improbable, but could ruin the plan if in the game.
Therefore the proposer of the plan must have this role.
Or could it just be that, you don't like me?"Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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I think Coolbot's just trying to deal with UT's idiotic comments.
THE FACT? So why am I mafia UT? Stop being so retarded, throwing accusations around as "facts", and confirming people YOU believe to be innocent.UT wrote:I was too caught up in the fact that he's a mason and that God is mafia."Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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For the last time UT,. So stop stating it as if it were fact. I think you're town, but since you're probably the most annoying pro-town ever, I would really like to see you lynched.I AM NOT MAFIA
But I'm not going to vote for you, because as I said, I believe you are pro-town, and we kinda wanna keep our townies alive."Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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Okay, in response to Scalebane's monster of a post.
I have played in games where though not explicitly stated, seperate anti-town groups have been present. (Blind FF3-Two of the main characters in the game turned out to be a seperate non-kill related mafia) So I don't follow strictly what I read anymore and am open to many other possibilities. Also, if the whole point of the game is to rid the town of the teachers, then why would there be a seperate non-alien Serial Killer.Scalebane wrote: I simply can't see how someone who doesn't recognize that the teachers are aliens and that the whole point of this game is to try to get rid of them could possibly claim to be pro-town. sorry
At first I was unsure whether a doc protect also protects against role-blockers, as noted in my post. Though, you are right, I should have stated that the doc flip a coin as whether or not to protect UT, rather than flat out letting the mafia know where the protect is going.Scalebane wrote:If UT were to die tonight, then Gnome would be unconfirmed and probably lynched as it would look like he had killed UT somehow. That would only be good for the mafia. Although, for some reason, I don't think God reasoned that out and simply wanted the doc to waste his protection.
I was merely stating that mafia usually try not to be as open during the games as Modargo was being, as we all know, posting alot means making alot of mistakes, mistakes that could get you lynched. So scum usually try to stay under the radar, this is why I feel modargo is pro-town.Scalebane wrote:The first is the bit where he implies that by putting effort into a game you are pro-town.
You're right, I misread his post. I read it and I thought it meant that he had extra information involving the finding of aliens (ie. Cop) and was appauled at how he had announced it. What is the Legolas prize anyway?Scalebane wrote:First off, he overreacts and misreads ZONEACE's post. I also think it funny that he overreacts so much to zoneace's declaring that we are hunting aliens. Good job, God, you win the legolas prize.
And to summarize, It is not that if UT was a better known player I would've been lynched by now (hell he even has more posts than me) , it is that he is posting useless sarcastic comments and throwing baseless accusations."Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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(OT)Nah I haven't seen RotK yet, i should've when it was in theatres. Damn (/OT)
I was confused about this too, you suddenly come to the conclusion that there are mafia role-blockers, Is there something you aren't sharing with us UT? Extra-information perhaps, because if you want the town to ever be able to coordinate night choice plans, you better let us know if you know there are anti-town roleblockers out there, or if it's just a hunch.EPR wrote:Anyway, I'm split on this, as UT still hasn't answered my question. why did he realize this just now, and used mafia roleblockers in his initial argument? And also, why hint on cops the entire way, even before posting he was against the plan, with the flaws?"Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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Zoneace, If we truly believe Gnome and Modargo are allied, perhaps we should wait until we are sure they are scum before we act against Modargo.
Unvote Whoever
For now, I think to get the game moving again I'llvote Spoon
He hasn't posted in here since the 12th.
AndFOS Breakdown, who hasn't posted here since the 15th."Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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You should finish reading the thread before a post like that, it has been addressed, with nearly those exact same points, by Scalebane, and my response came soon afterwards. No I have not been cleared, but I can assure you I am pro-town, and revealing my role will only add to the monster that is this Day 1."Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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Okay, since this seems to be the main argument against me, let me outline what is supposed to happen tonight.
Untrod Tripod (Hobbes) targets Mr.Gnome_It_All (Mom) for a Vigilante Kill
Mr. Gnome_It_All (Mom) targets Untrod Tripod for a Role Block.
Doctors protect Untrod Tripod. (Flip a coin, it doesn't matter really, scum probably won't attempt a kill anyway)
Doctorsprotect Mr. Gnome It all.do not
-If MGIA is alive at daybreak, then he is a confirmed innnocent.
-If MGIA is dead at daybreak, killed by a tiger, then we know of another scum group.
-If MGIA is dead at daybreak, killed by scum, then we know he is innocent, and his mason buddy is now a confirmed innocent.
There you go ben, read it, then read it again, THEN read the thread, then read the thread again. Then present something that hasn't already been said.
As for now though, I'llunvote, andVote Werebear, just a hunch (No, this isn't like a MeMe type of hunch.)"Still looking for one, heh" Dragon Phoenix, inside the 2nd DP9 Modprod.-
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