Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER
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Plan, lynch player most likely to flip CR. Once he flips CR, move on. Thats what we're trying to do here. There is a possibility I am wrong, as for anyone, as there has been for days seeing as we haven't hit cult recruiter yet and we've had five lynches to do it.
Is there any reason you don't think hiplop is CR besides "wow he fakeclaimed WL!" Do you think cult didn't get fakeclaims?-
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I don't follow zmuffin.
Why do you doubt that?
Is there any reason you think hiplop is not cult recruiter besides "fakeclaim WL"?
And which white lantern, then, do you think it is?
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On toasty, I'll reread him, but currently hiplop has his terrible claim, and his play doubly making me think he is CR, while only toasty's claim is working against him currently in my mind.-
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I'll answer the rest of that in a bit, but can you answer how you think a massclaim will help. I've already provided you an example (Succession Mafia 2) where it doomed the town. How will this full massclaim be any different (and SM2 wasn't even a full massclaim and it was enough to ensure town loss)-
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Thats complete bullshit, especially since you called me a recruit, as have others, already in this day. I'm not sure how you don't see anyone "but CJ" flipping CR when I've laid out three people who have a extremely high chance of flipping CR and you've brushed it under the carpet.
Also, mass claiming is stupid because only one player in the game is the CR, so it still makes no sense to out every power role when that doesn't catch the CR (and I notice how you've dropped the mass claiming line on a whim, too, zmuffin), especially since out of a small pool there is still only one CR and the rest not.
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That being said, this wagon on hiplop needs to happen. Toasty is a lower priority.
I would like more people being active, though, then just leaving lazy votes lying around. I reread kast's vote on me, and I'm not really sure why he made it, and same with tans. And the not voting crew needs to get with it.-
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We're lynching one of hiplop, sub, inhim, or toasty, with a high preference for hiplop.
I think this for a couple reasons, but it's mostly because I think you slipped in explaining your read on NPIAU, because you forgot you claimed to have protected him N2 - you went on and on about how he looked really town D1 but that changed D2... Yet you still supposedly protected him N2.
heh, I already answered this. Looking back, with hindsight, it is easier to differentiate the two days and their playstyles, but at the time of doc protecting him he looked really town, and had friend vouching for him. I was almost certain he was town. I'm pretty sure at the end of yesterday you had a pretty solid town read on him as well, so you're argument is pretty invalid.
I'm also not sure how you can claim that a particular role 'shouldn't be in town's arsenal', considering I have the role and we don't know what other roles mafia have and the cult have. We don't know the whole setup, and we're definitely not mass claiming so you can try to 'figure it out'. You seem to be finding fault over multiple investigative abilities, but not over any other, like roleblocking, side of things.
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Most, if not all, of your argument seems to stem from the fact you can't picture a doctor or a rolecop in this insane setup so far, which is complete crap. Rolecop is actually very useful in this game because it can confirm town players (i.e. with an unrecruitable in their role name, and ferret out fakeclaims (considering there is probably six mafia and a cult, it is very useful).)
And doctor stops the mafia/anti-town kills while cult doc stops the cult recruits and roleblockers hit both. So far, we've had a cult doc, a cult cop, almost 100% a cop (BB) flip town, and you doubt a doctor fits in there as well? Please.
How many setups have you designed and reviewed to give yourself such ethos on the subject of setup speculation?
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Why is no one else looking at hiplop as CR?-
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I believe kast was confirmed somehow in some power-role triangle. i'll look at it again though.
Because he's confirmed non-CR, non-scum.
Erm, by who?
On the miller front, claiming miller allows a player to basically skate deep into the game without doing much, as you can see inhim didn't do much and didn't get called out on it.
Actually, though, considering he claimed vig and with not counterclaims, kdub is now probably almost impossible to be CR unless dana ran some sort of CR similar to ooba's song of fire and ice mafia where the CR got some vig kills instead of recruitment. But in that context, the peregrine kill makes no sense as he was a threat to no one and there was no reason to waste a recruitment on him.-
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You yourself have acknowledged that scum are most likely telling the truth about their roles. Unless your claimed rolecop ability gives alignment as well as role, the only thing it'd be useful for is finding the CR (or, perhaps, to verify that someone else isn't the CR).
Probably most are, but catching out fakeclaims, confirming town, and finding the cult recruiter are very powerful right now. Not sure what you're talking about.
I felt that your objections to the GhostWriter wagon were disingenuous and I don't feel you've been playing as pro-town as you
Thats bullcrap. If I was some anti town not aligned with Ghostwriter, I would have no problem seeing him lynched and just skating through the day. And provide examples for your second points. You can't just say I haven't been playing pro-town and leave it at that.
None. Is this a problem?
Yeah, because you're acting like you're the master of balance and setups, and have thus decreed and based your entire case on the fact that my role doesn't fit in the game, when you actually have no idea what you're talking about. You're talking up a crap point because it's all you have.
Like, why not protect Friend, who was the one vouching for NPIAU?
Why not protect nopoint, who was being vouched for by friend? Notice how nopoint wasn't really reciprocating the same certitude.
Did Ludi claim which type of role cop he is? Like does he see names+roles or just names or just roles or what?
no names, just roles.
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Why is Mr Sub fishing for a modkill here? What if oversoul doesn't get modkilled? Why aren't you commenting on hiplop, or answering my question about why you said this:
sub wrote:Because he's confirmed non-CR, non-scum.-
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heh, I love how MRsub has switched from "lynch CJ tomorrow after brilliant plan" to "lynch CJ today because... I have no idea"
Also, I'm glad its finally come out that hiplop is not confirmed not cult recruiter, (after dancing around this all game), and we can finally get a wagon going here. Also, observe hiplops vote on me when it looked like this wagon is gaining steam. He is determined not to die so he can get another recruit here.
The thing is right now I'm sure there is up to three mafia running around, and they don't particularly care who they lynch. Hence, my wagon growing large. The cult actively doesn't want CR getting lynch, but aside from that, don't care. Hence why hiplop is very hard to lynch.
No one has yet been able to explain adequately how
a. My claim of Saint Walker as doctor, now rolecop, doesn't make sense or doesn't fit in, considering the other power roles we know about. Espcially considering anti-cult doctor has already flipped town
b. My play has been anti-town
c. Why hiplop is not CR
People are seriously derping around here and hoping a compromise wagon/lynch happens without them doing much.-
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zmuffin is getting upset because no one is buying his crap case, heh.
Your ooba point could apply to several people, and it is quite a valid point. Mafia want to cult hunt because they know the mafia. I also called out Apok, who was mafia, and GW did not flip a town power role, like you are say, but mafia. I'm also against an anti-town mass claim.
And finding town is not about if they are right or not, because by and large town are going to be wrong about who they suspect in any given game. To determine who is town, you look at their pushes, their intent, if they believe in their own cases, and thats what I've been doing. Added on to that i've been right quite a bit, and I think i've been quite pro-town.
You have never been able to show how my thought process has been anti-town, or why a doctor does not initially fit into the setup here.-
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Andrius, why you compromising like this? Can't you sense the apathy in this thread? It's typical of a mislynch in a cult game.
You know this lynch isn't going to flip CR. Hiplop actually has a chance of being CR. He's disappear when he got suspicion. He voted me with no reason. He then scurried off. Look. Please.-
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No one counterclaimed doctor because I am doctor. No one is ccing rolecop because I am rolecop. No one cced anti-cult doctor either. No one would have cc-ed cult cop. No one cc-ed governor.
What was a fakeclaim was
Ganthet, Green Lantern Jack of All Trades [Cop, Doc, Vig]
There's your doctor fakeclaim. This is dana modding. Check his fakeclaims in the past.-
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I don't bet out of game. (especially doubly so since Sexy Semi Sedilla)
If you want to give me your vote after hiplop flips CR, i'm fine with that. If you want an alternate, present it.
Claiming doctor in this setup with what has already flipped, and with the fakeclaim already out, and with dana's mod meta makes this not in any way a fakeclaim.
Check out darkest night mafia. Fake claims were VT/VT/VT/VT/commuter/roleblocker/bulletproof (for CR, also unprovable a la hiplop)/watcher/something else.
Its not the only thing making me town. Though it could be. It simply cements it.-
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Kdub, unvote, please.
1. There has already been a fakeclaim in this game that partially intercedes with mine
Toog's fakeclaim included Doctor. If you think I am fakeclaiming, you would have to consider that dana put into the game two fakeclaims that would counter claim each other. More logical is the fact that I am actually a doctor.
2. If you believe Saint Walker is not in the game, that would mean that there are entirely no blue lanterns initially in the game.
I think this cements it, really.
3. Doctor is a traceable role, and easily found out lying based on the already flipped information roles
Given that there is two trackers (basically), it makes no sense to give a fakeclaim to the CR that can be caught out so easily.
4. This could be potentially the last day town has majority.
There are probably three scum left, and and probably two cult, the recruiter and recruit from night two. We have lynched scum on three out of five chances, and have had cult die over night, and this could still possibly be the last day town has majority, assuming a town kill and a recruitment tonight. Taking the ratio from 2:3:8 to 3:3:6. This setup needs cult to fail recruiting, with the anti-cult doc, and the mafia to fail to kill (with my own power initially), and the roleblockers, if town, function as both. It make sense.
5. This wagon on me is exceedingly lazy
People aren't really interested in convincing anyone of their case. Instead, I'm having to engage in large wall battles for seemingly no purpose, its just a waste of time. zmuffin especially has gone into overdrive. Votes come very easily to this wagon. Other wagons, not so much.
6. Mr. Sub and hiplop both put rather weak votes on me, and are the people detailed as being highest chance of cult recruiter by myself
Mr Sub's vote especially was bad, and he is very eager to rush through this day, while waving his hands and co-ordinating night actions according to his own agenda. He wants to see me dead.
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I'm entirely willing to wagon MR Sub if hiplop goes nowhere, But I believe it still has some life in it.Hiplop, are you serious about lynching Mr Sub?-
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Mr Sub. wrote:OI LUDI
YOU KNOW HOW YOU LOVE JUICY MOD-META?
NONE OF THE FAKECLAIMSIN BNM COINCIDED WITH ANY REAL TOWN ROLES
DIE
TOOG Fakeclaim: Doc, Cop, Vig
Kdub: Claim Vig: Town
BB: Claim Cop: Town
ML: Claim Doc: Town
Thanks for confirming that. unless you are calling kdub, BB, and myself... I don't know what? What are you saying? That dana put two fakeclaims in that contradict eachother? No. I am town, as is the rest of that list, now.
Look at his justification for being clear. A fake-JOAT.
STRAWMAN. My setup speculation for being clear is being THE ONLY BLUE LANTERN IN THIS ENTIRE GAME, AND ORIGINALLY BEING THE DOCTOR. You are straight up lying and getting overly defensive when confronted with your own demise.
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Plus, whoever said, I wouldn't put it past dana to have a night zero recruit or something similar with double lynchings and the kills out there (or bulletproof, but LOL at that. An unrecruitable fakeclaim... however)
I love how when Mr.Sub gets an ounce of pressure here hiplop and Mr. Sub both come to life.-
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huh? How have I focused on easy targets? I focus on who is most likely to be cult recruiter. I outlined you in my post at the beginning of the day here. You've been attacking me for a long time now.
Why do you want me to try and direct how people should use their night actions? That just makes it exceedingly obvious for anti-town factions to play around it. So you think hiplop is not CR? Thats nice. Why are you projecting here?
What would I object to? I'm not some demi-god who's going to try and control town, and I don't think anyone really payed attention to your anti-town plan at all. I think you and hiplop both have had the highest chance of flipping CR. If you don't flip CR (and given the uptick in activity when you got attacked, I'm doubtful), then I'll plan for contingencies. You're trying to scare town with a lot of hot air here, Sub, and it isn't working.-
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See I thought the same about MR Sub, but his actions and the way lazy votes have found their way onto my wagon convinced me otherwise. I could still go for hiplop, yet no one wants to wagon there beside us, which is frustrating.
Plus, half the game only poke their head in here to maintain the status quo.-
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We fought to have Candlejack lynched over WeyounsLastClone, who, may I remind you, was the CULT DOCTOR, and yet somehow everyone looks at us and thinks "Oh, Subliminal, not wanting to lynch the cult doctor, that's such a recruiter-tell for you because you play goddamn horribly.
WeyounsLastClone (8) - Andrius, Kast, Nikanor, Oversoul, vezokpiraka, Blackberry,Mr Subliminal,tanstalas
You're FULL of crap. You also have been on both town lynches as well.-
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Kdub, Berry please hammer this man. While I don't want a massclaim, Mr sub has been for everyone claiming and he coordinating, yet when people ask him to claim he refuses, and then switches to what I've been saying all along that randomly claiming is bad. He is desperate, and changed his tune to whatever he thinks people want to hear.
Hammer him-
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