Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Mr Subliminal]

Ok, now Friend is trolling. Sanity is restored.

Will check later to see who's voting us.

[Mr Subliminal]

outside influences ~
No but for srs we're town.
Magua, tans is the only one voting us, and Andy's pseudo-voting.

[Mr Subliminal]

GW didn't claim soooooo

[Mr Subliminal]

Answer the question I asked friend.

What does "If I claim it will be anti-town" mean?

I don't care and I don't want to know. Friend is 100% not scum or cult recruiter. His claim could be Hated Miller Townie Beautiful Princess Auto-Hammerer and I wouldn't care because he is not scum and he is not the recruiter.

[Mr Subliminal]

Nikanor is 100% not cult recruiter or scum.

Blackberry, what are you smoking?

[Mr Subliminal]

I'm all about you speaking your thoughts. More power to you.

But some

most

of your thoughts so far are just *bad*. Saying hiplop culted Friend is just *bad*. Saying that Nikanor is the recruiter is *bad*. Amending that to saying that Nikanor should be shot is just *bad*.

You don't think Ghostwriter is cult recruiter. That's fine. It's a nice safe position to take because it's also statistically likely to be correct. I mean, you could say that about everyone and you'd only be wrong once.

But then who do you think is the recruiter? So far you've only listed two people who absolutely cannot be it.

[Mr Subliminal]

Why is Nikanor absolutely NOT CR?

Why is hiplop not CR?

Because

I

we know how to read a thread.

I think Mr. S is a good lynch, you're already messed up and reveald you're either cult-related or mafia.

This would have 300000000000x more weight behind it if you were voting us.

Which you're not.

CR isn't going to be someone that's lurking or being lazy. They want to fit in very much and will be doing whatever they can to scumhunt and avoid both being lynched and nightkilled.

Exact same reasoning applies to scum in a multiscum setup. And yet we get lurking and lazy scum in a multiscum setup. So there is an obvious problem with your assumptions because they are contra-indicated by actual experience.

Finding who was likely cult recruit is a good starting point, because then we can examine how that person is acting towards particular people. Likely cult recrults are active and townish-like.

And there's, barring weird mechanics, at this point *1* of them. So, no, finding who was a likely cult recruit is a *bad* starting spot, because there's *lots* of people who are good cult recruits, but only *1* of them actually is. Which is the same as the number of people who are cult recruiter. Who could *also* be scum even if they're not the recruiter. And the pool of *possible* cult recruiters is smaller. Etc. Etc.

It's like you're not really thinking through these things that you're saying.

I'm not taking the stance on GW because I want to say "Oh look I'm right I'm better than yall," I am taking the stance because I don't want to lynch someone who isn't CR -- when the scenario indicates he isn't the CR because his recruit isn't doing anything to help him, I am going to try to avoid his lynch.

"Avoiding" someone's lynch isn't productive. You're not offering up a viable alternative -- you're not even giving "Mr Subliminal is cult recruiter" more than lip service -- so you are entirely dead weight.

MR. S - who do YOU think is CR?

My personal (not shared) list:

Kast
Ghostwriter
WeyounsLastClone
Andrius
PeregrineV

99.8% that the recruiter is in that list above.

Other head has some suspicion of ToastyToast and Oversoul. I do not share these suspicions.

[Mr Subliminal]

zMuffinMan, marry me

hot sex

.

[Mr Subliminal]

SKrew is taking suggestions on how best to format the quotes in his sig.

[Mr Subliminal]

Why are there so many people that weren't already voting GW?

[Mr Subliminal]

Meh, I thought it was funny and quotable.
I guess I'll just use this account until the flip.
Did someone just say muffin was Mafia? lol
Nikanor, why are people suspecting me? Claim an inno result or something.

[Mr Subliminal]

Anyone wanna spam it up with me?

[Mr Subliminal]

I'm sure another Mason could inspect me and tell you in the QT.

[Mr Subliminal]

Nobody wants to spam it up with me D:
However will I make people forget their suspicion of meeeeeeeeeee

[Mr Subliminal]

muffin, spam pweez :3

[Mr Subliminal]

Let's play hangman

hot sex

!

_ _ _ _ _ _

[Mr Subliminal]

No.

_ _ _ _ _ _

Guesses: A

[Mr Subliminal]

Whoa both heads are on.
^5

[Mr Subliminal]

E?

[Mr Subliminal]

S: Yes
E: No

_ _ _ _ _ S

Guesses: A, E

Feel free to play, too, other head.

Or to make up a different word and give different answers. =P

PEdit: Oh, I see you are.

[Mr Subliminal]

In the middle of our Hangman game, I *highly doubt* Blackberry is cult recruiter. Haven't discussed this with other head, but I think that the sheer level of outright attention he's drawing is incompatible with being a cult recruiter.

_ _ T _ _ S

Guesses: A, E

[Mr Subliminal]

Oh, missed Kast's guess.

_ _ T _ _ S

Guesses: A, E, R (L-3!)

[Mr Subliminal]

_ _ T _ O S

Guesses: A, E, R, G (L-2!)

[Mr Subliminal]

Are we discussing tracking/blocking me? O_o

*strikes chin*

Nobody can ever say you're not quick on the uptake

sarcasm

.

[Mr Subliminal]

_ _ T H O S

Guesses: A, E, R, G (L-2!)

[Mr Subliminal]

Cue other head to come in and say "That's not how you spell nachos!"

M _ T H O S

[Mr Subliminal]

No, I'm sorry, the correct answer was mqthos. You lose.

[Mr Subliminal]

Oversoul really knows his Greek

innuendo

.

Blackberry, you can't point out your own town slips. That's not how it works. Trying to do it just makes you look either silly or desperate, depending. Just go back to trying to throw mud on the masons or something.

[Mr Subliminal]

HANGMAN BASTARD OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY EDITION

_ _ _

Guesses: (L-6)

[Mr Subliminal]

THATS NOT HOW YOU SPELL NACHOS
I want another one.
BB, I've townslipped a lot. I must be town.

[Mr Subliminal]

A

[Mr Subliminal]

I don't think it's silly or desperate, it was moreso the fact I thought it was ridiculous someone though I was CR BECAUSE I assumed they recrutied Night 1. If anything, that would suggest I was unaware that CR doesn't recruit until Night 2. It was moreso me irritated by that type of accusation that doesn't really make sense.

95% of the time, people who say "I can't be mafia/cult/scum/SK/whatever because I did

thing

" turn out to be mafia/cult/scum/SK/whatever. Just some friendly advice.

HANGMAN BASTARD OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY EDITION

_ _ _

Guesses: A (L-5)

[Mr Subliminal]

I

[Mr Subliminal]

HANGMAN BASTARD OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY EDITION

_ _ _

Guesses: A, I (L-4)

[Mr Subliminal]

Goddammit I'll just hijack it.

[Mr Subliminal]

This out to be interesting.

[Mr Subliminal]

This

out

ought to be interesting.

[Mr Subliminal]

Blackberry, self meta sucks. It boils down to you saying "I'm town," which is kind of

duh

. Feel free to keep it up. Just trying to be neighborly

peeping tom

.

[Mr Subliminal]

This is totally Magua and not SKrew:

- - - - -
30 guesses

[Mr Subliminal]

PEEPING TOM?
HELL YESH

[Mr Subliminal]

I'm going to take a wild stab (

get it?

) and say "PENIS"

[Mr Subliminal]

25 guesses remain

- - - - -
Wrong: PENIS

[Mr Subliminal]

XYZZY

[Mr Subliminal]

22 guesses left

- - - - -
Wrong: PENISXYZ

[Mr Subliminal]

WTF Magua why are you pretending to be playing with me?

[Mr Subliminal]

12345
!@#$%
[]-=+

[Mr Subliminal]

This is what the mods get for not being on 24/7 to autolock threads when the hammer goes down.

[Mr Subliminal]

Dammit.
Any number was correct.
But I'm the same person.
So I solved my own puzzle.
Right?
MINDFUCK

[Mr Subliminal]

Nobody wants to spam it up with me D:
However will I make people forget their suspicion of meeeeeeeeeee

You mean this BB?

[Mr Subliminal]

Can you stop now...

This makes me feel there is something you said that you are trying to hide...

Man, if only there was some way you could ISO us.

Maybe you should do that. And pay close attention to the parts where I say "self metas suck" and "pointing out your own town-slips makes you look scummier". There definitely might be a message in there. Definitely.

[Mr Subliminal]

TOAST WE NEED TO KILL HIM, HE KNOWS TOO MUCH

I don't think Toast is scum, just you. This post reads to me as, "I'm scum so I'll say this to a townie to get the townie on my side to go after BB tomorrow."

MUFFIN IS MASONRY
JESUS

[Mr Subliminal]

MUFFIN IS MASONRY
JESUS

Where have

you

we been? Half of Blackberry's suspicion has been mudslinging against the masonry.

Meh.

Retiring to the Batcave for now. See y'all tomorrow.

This is no masonry. Or are you dumb?

Mr. Pot, there's a Mr. Kettle on line 1...

[Mr Subliminal]

Yes. I am dumb. You should feel bad about yourself because I'm dumb but doing better this game than you.

PEDIT: You have a Batcave? OHLOLIGETITBREADCRUMB
Anyway, I'm lonely now

[Mr Subliminal]

Would the mod(s) be so kind as to explain what a Publisher and Drill Sergeant are? My guess on the latter would be a Motivator.
BB, do you know what WIFOM is?
Awaiting other head before we lay some smack down, expect a vote on someone scummy.

[Mr Subliminal]

BB, read the fucking game.
Claimed WLs (town but not an actual masonry):
Nik
muffin
Friend (dead)
hiplop

Dead WLs:
Friend
nopoint
LLD

Pseudo-Confirmed Non-Cult (for now):
Overtoast
Mr. S

[Mr Subliminal]

Stuff

hot sex

.

I (not we) doubt Andrius is right about the "Indigo light" scene from D1 being the publisher, since we know that there really is a daykiller (mastin got daykilled D2).

Also, just out of curiosity - why are NONE of the claimed PR's dead? This raises a flag for me O_o.

You mean besides Friend? Jesus Christ, I (again, not we) really hate you.

nopointinactingup suicided because he's a Lover and his Lover got killed. Pretty goddamn sure that the masons have no special protection against being recruited if the scum don't as well.

@tanstalas:

How come you no say who you jailkept last Night? Please rectify. Also an explanation of how you know you got targeted would be nice.

Blackberry actually asks a useful question to the mods, and I'm interested in the answer. If we can narrow down if nopointinactingup got recruited N1, then maybe D2 will give us something to work with.

PEdit: Ninja'd by other head.

[Mr Subliminal]

This is completely dana's call

mod hydra dissonance is scummy

I personally doubt you'll get an answer.

I fucking lol'ed.

We follow the wiki NAR as closely as possible. That should cover your question.

In NAR, recruiting comes after kill. This confirms nopointinactingup was culted N1.

Analysis of NPIAU now ensuing.

[Mr Subliminal]

That's it.
VOTE: BB
I honestly don't give a shit if you're town or not. You are a fucking anti-town FORCE.
tans said he trusted your Cultreads.
nopoint said you're town but your reads are shit.
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
Sorry Magua, this has to be done.

[Mr Subliminal]

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[Mr Subliminal]

Posting my thoughts constantly makes me anti-town vs. not-posting-at-all like some people? O_o

Didn't you say earlier that the CR wouldn't be a lurker, but an active poster? lol

[Mr Subliminal]

BB, why the fuck do you have so many posts/thoughts? You haven't even read the game. How the hell can you have 4th most posts (100+) when you replaced in and haven't even read?!

I neither know nor care what your faction is. If you're scum/cult, yay. If you're town, good riddance.

Thank you for addressing your scumslip

No opinion on tans voting WLC. What's wrong with it?

[Mr Subliminal]

Thank the lord, he's actually scum!
Thanks for answering my case

[Mr Subliminal]

Posting my thoughts constantly makes me anti-town vs. not-posting-at-all like some people? O_o

Didn't you say earlier that the CR wouldn't be a lurker, but an active poster? lol

So I'm gonna put this in large shiny text because you're all ignoring it.

BB SCUMSLIPPED

[Mr Subliminal]

We've discussed, kind of.

One head thinks that Blackberry is an insufferable twit who can't seem to maintain the same thought process from one page to another and is an active detriment to the town...but is still town.

The other head thinks Blackberry is an insufferable twit who can't seem to maintain the same thought process from one page to another and is an active detriment to the town...and is actually scum.

Hydra dissonance is scummy.

It's gotten quite violent between the two heads. Things have been said that cannot be unsaid

lousy in bed

.

We like Kast's #1757, with one question:
Kast, you say you were tracked N1 (or that you tracked someone -- Blackberry? -- N1). I don't recall this; can you point it out to me where it was claimed?

Assuming Kast can come back with some claim, we don't like a vote for WLC because of nopointinactingup's push on him. Does not read like bussing. This head thinks Blackberry is town, so let the hydra infighting commence!

UNVOTE: Blackberry
VOTE: Candlejack

[Mr Subliminal]

hiplop, we do not need you joining Blackberry in the list of people who don't bother to actually read the thread.

Nikan(d)or, I see little reason to mass claim at this point, given the small pool of potential cult recruiters. We do want Candlejack to claim, though.

[Mr Subliminal]

So, NOPOINT was cult-recruited.

*reads up on Nopoint to see if there's anyone he defended yesterday*

Weren't you under the impression that Cult couldn't recruit until N2?

wkrneofjwjqmodfkdm
In case anyone feels like actually reading my post.

[Mr Subliminal]

Maruchan is not in this game.
hiplop, why are you still voting muffin? Were you Culted last night?

[Mr Subliminal]

Like honestly why are people eliminating Oversoul as possible CR again?

He was delayed by vezokpiraka N1, we have an N1 recruit, etc.

Why are you saying CJ is probnotcult?

I (but not we) have a townread on ToastyToast and Blackberry. That leaves the pool down to Kast (who may have some track result that clears him?), Candlejack, or IHSIB, for my preferences. Of those, I favor Candlejack by far. We really don't see IHSIB-cult, though I could see IHSIB-mafia, so am very interested in your reasons against.

A) You're a dumba$$

You can say dumbass.

[Mr Subliminal]

I am blind. Please show me where you softclaimed your tracker result on tanstalus.

Also, remembering that I'm blind, please give your tracker result for N2.

Where did this come from?

nopointinactingup's pushing on WLC when it is known that NPIAU was already recruited at that point.

*sighs*

I'd been doing so well, too.

[Mr Subliminal]

HEY BLACKBERRY

Can you perhaps shut the fuck up about your over-defensiveness of yourself for maybe three seconds and ACTUALLY VOTE SOMEONE AT SOME POINT IN THIS GAME?

EVERY GODDAMN TIME you bring up your own self meta I swear to God I move this much closer to just saying to other head, "Yeah, let's airlock him." YOU ARE NOT HELPING. All your blah blah blah I'm so goddamn fucking self meta town bullshit DOES NOT HELP.

FUCKING.
VOTE.

[Mr Subliminal]

MY OTHER HEAD IS MAGUA?!?!
LIES!!!

*ahem*
BB, have you had the time or energy to READ THE FUCKING GAME yet?

[Mr Subliminal]

Blackberry, you have

133

134 posts.

You have 0 votes.

Rectify.
Immediately.
Candle Jack is at fucking L-6.

I'm going to say this one last time, and then I'm done wasting my breath. Defending yourself DOES NOT MATTER. Defending yourself to the exclusion of ALL ELSE AND NOT ACTING ON WHO YOU THINK IS SCUM IS ANTITOWN.

I, a normally calm and rational human being, am coming to the conclusion that we are better off without you EVEN IF YOU ARE TOWN. Rectify. Imme-fucking-diately.

[Mr Subliminal]

I'm not incompotent, I just don't have the time or energy when I'm mafia to play a game that I have no interest in.

BB, have you had the time or energy to READ THE FUCKING GAME yet?

No

lol
Also BB, refusing to answer the following question will be treated as a scumclaim:
Why are you trying to divert our attention to lurkers, when you yourself said the CR would be an active poster?

Yes otherheadthatisntMagua, see the light!

[Mr Subliminal]

muffin also claims to have blocked me last night.

[Mr Subliminal]

Respond to 1810. It's not a long post.

[Mr Subliminal]

@vezok: WTF did you delay a claimed tracker? Not that it matters due to

losing our ability.

You didn't claim tracker D2. So WTF is this coming from?

Who's against a mass claim and why?

We are. Mass claim loses cult games. Just look at Succession II and see how the cult went from one member to winning thanks to the town's mass claim. There's more than enough people cleared of being the cult leader that mass claim only hurts.

Very interested in WLC's answers to zMuffinMan's questions.

[Mr Subliminal]

And what, pray tell, was your power, and any usages/results of it you performed?

[Mr Subliminal]

FFS why are you voting someone you think is Mafia?

[Mr Subliminal]

We wish WLC to claim now, because he's already claimed to now be vanilla.
We also wish Candlejack to claim, because we want to lynch him.

As we understand it, Kast, tanstalas, and WeyounsLastClone are all claiming to have been permanently vanilla-ized.

We

very much

wish Blackberry to explain this quote:

Kast said he would track me last night, no?

Please tell us where you came up with this. Link to a specific Kast post would be great.

[Mr Subliminal]

@Blackberry:

It is a real stretch for me to buy that you read that and said to yourself, "Kast is a tracker" out of all the other chaos of the day on the one hand, and then turn around and make all these accusations that a cursory reading of the thread would show are not possible.

@WeyounsLastClone:

tanstalas is saying he steals a power N1, uses it N2, steals N3, uses it N4, etc. Kindly skip to the point where you claim your power and your targets and results.

[Mr Subliminal]

Does the message you received about your vanilla-fication specify whether or not your ability went through N2?

[Mr Subliminal]

Let's ask the Magic 8-ball!



Now. zMuffinMan needs to freak out less and read Blackest Night Mafia more. Everyone is a PR, there are no VTs.

Mr s can you rephrase your statement/question i don't understand what you're saying. Me and Kast both knew he intended to track me?

My personal problem with this is you picking up on this one item in Kast's posts, while at the same time spouting off shit like "hiplop is the cult recruiter" when paying even the slightest attention to the thread would show that that's simply not possible.

Now, why do you think there's a bus driver?

No, the message I got at the start of the day losing my powers didn't mention anything affecting N2.

In theory, then, if Kast is really a tracker and really tracked Blackberry, he should get his report N3 then (not getting it N2 because he was delayed by vezokpiraka).

Point 2: Does somebody want to claim responsibility for the creation of the Justice League masonry? Because if I don't see somebody claim it soon I'm going to assume that it is triggered, and that means there are scum in it (probably Mafioso + backup Cult Recruiter by What Would Tarhalindur Do?). I'm STRONGLY leaning towards WLC being the Mafia Roleblocker, and Nikanor as bulletproof backup cult recruiter makes a lot of sense to me.

Die faster.

PEdit:

Muffin = town.

See, this is the sort of shit I'm talking about. You pick up that Kast is the tracker from that one line, yet continually miss that Muffin is already confirmed town? Son I am disappoint.

[Mr Subliminal]

How does this relate to anything I said?

You're freaking out about the number of PR claims.

Do you think the cult group consists of a CR+backup with a single recruit per night against a cult cop and a cult doc?

At this point, yes. There are simply too many people who can't rightly be the N1 recruiter. Take a look at Succession II. Town had a whole lot more anti-cult power than what's showing here; however, we have double Days.

Or, to put this another way: We're trying to find and lynch a cult recruiter. Somehow, somehow, we manage to do this task without freaking out about unknowns. Give it a whirl. You might like it.

[Mr Subliminal]

Oversoul, did your ability usage from N1 resolve?

[Mr Subliminal]

You're not

my mother

the boss of me.

FTFY

[Mr Subliminal]

You could, I don't know

I do know

, say who you think the cult recruiter is

defend me

.

Maybe vote

lynch Candlejack

or something.

[Mr Subliminal]

nopoint lover-suicided. What's the big deal? You Culted bro?

[Mr Subliminal]

He's reacting to the shockingly bad Doctor choices, that's all.

Hey, Andrius, Muffin, you both say you've got some form of roleblocking power, but we don't know your N1 targets. These would be people who can be confirmed to have not recruited nopointinactingup N1, so, y'know, we'd like to hear them.

We'll accept a "bugger off" from Muffin but not from Andrius.

[Mr Subliminal]

Let's all kindly stop

shut up

with claiming who is or is not unrecruitable, shall we?

At this point, we really don't see us voting for anyone but Candlejack. The only thing we'd still like to hear is if Oversoul's N1 action went through. I have a guess as to what it is/was, but I want to make sure. I don't want Oversoul to say -- just want a "Yes, I know it went through" or "No, I do not know if it has gone through"

My personal working assumptions at this point are that 2 of 3 of (Andrius, WLC, IHSIB) are the mafia. Lynching mafia right now isn't the goal, so, yeah. This can be revisited later.

??? of 2 of (Candlejack, Kast) are the cult recruiter(s?) (or perhaps some 3rd party, idk)

[Mr Subliminal]

I can see a good reason to doc nopoint. I'd like to see CJ's reasoning though.
muffin RBed us.
muffin, when you have a question like that, YOU ASK THE MOD
PEDIT: Hi Magua

[Mr Subliminal]

Don't assume shit about your role. ASK THE MOD

[Mr Subliminal]

Mr. Sub, I'm not really sure what's got you convinced we're anti-town at all, and your reasoning here has left much to be elucidated upon, especially since you started with a blackberry vote, weakly switched to us, and are now proclaiming you 'don't see yourself switching', which is in contradiction to what you've been saying today and all game and seems to be topped off with weak reasoning.

If you think we're scum or cult, vote us.

I would like some more explanation than, "well, I randomly processed of elimination according to my own hidden formula, and thus you're cult recruiter", because that looks exceedingly like you're pulling stuff out of thin air with no real basis behind it.

No.

Feel free to tell us who *you* think the cult recruiter is, though.

[Mr Subliminal]

Thanks, Kast. We're glad you're here, because Lord knows I took one look at that post and just skipped it the first time through.

Still going to wait for Oversoul's answer, though. No offense or nothing.

[Mr Subliminal]

Andrius: BB is town and I shalle smite all who oppose him.
Andrius: BB is very likely CR!
Andrius: Why is WLC probnotcult? Not like nopoint wasn't pushing for him hard yesterday.
Magua: Why is CJ town?
Andrius: BECAUSE SAINT WALKER

Nik: One head of this hydra thinks Toasty is scum, but can't tell whether CJ is Mafia or Cult.

[Mr Subliminal]

Andy, when did you start suspecting Toast?

[Mr Subliminal]

Okay Andy, now lrn2answerpost1900.
Why wouldn't he CC if someone was using his *wait for it* fake claim?

[Mr Subliminal]

Andy.
1900
1906
Answer them or die.

[Mr Subliminal]

Andrius: BB is town and I shalle smite all who oppose him.
Andrius: BB is very likely CR!
Andrius: Why is WLC probnotcult? Not like nopoint wasn't pushing for him hard yesterday.
Magua: Why is CJ town?
Andrius: BECAUSE SAINT WALKER
Magua: Why are you ignoring all my questions?
Andrius: THEYRE HARD

LAST CHANCE

[Mr Subliminal]

How much skill does it require to blatantly avoid a post full of questions even after it's been shoved in your face multiple times?
Not like it matters anymore, Daykill sent in.

[Mr Subliminal]

Oh look, Andy contradicted himself again
If he's not scum, I personally guarantee that I will hunt SKrew down, barbeque him, and eat serve for dinner.

Nikanor, nopoint bussed?

[Mr Subliminal]

tans, apologies if you stated this before, but did your steal resolve before or after a roleblock?

[Mr Subliminal]

Which is why he was all over me D1 for crumbing the Holy Stroller.
I still believe CJ to be town.

I see no reason why he wouldn't be "all over you" for crumbing Walker if that was his fakeclaim. I see no downside for him if you got lynched for cc'ing him and then flipped something OTHER THAN THE ROLE YOU WOULD'VE CLAIMED. Do you have any reasons other than that for thinking CJ is town?

BB is town you twat.

...later in that same post...

But yeah I propose a fullclaim from WLC and BB. Most likely CRs.

<_<
>_>

CJ isn't cult. CJ is mafia with Toasty, but I don't expect anyone to actually believe me. I mean, it's not as if I was right about Toog and GW. Hell I'm probably the worst goddamned player in this goddamned game. Like holy fuck I sure am terrible at scumhunting like idk why I even try like wowwww

It's not like we weren't right about Toogeloo and Ghostwriter (and Apokalyptica) as well. QQ moar.

BLACKBERRY, EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK THERE'S STILL A BUSDRIVER AROUND

@ToastyToast:

Fucking trim your posts. There's no reason you needed a three screen wall for six lines of response.

So you're the daykiller? That doesn't make sense given your suspicion of the indigo shot day 1.

Yes, we're the daykiller and Nikanor is the vanilla-izer. sux2bu. We're a third party SK group who are all Marvel comics characters.

Re: WLC. We are pretty sure that WLC is mafia, not cult. We maintain that the cult recruiter is either CJ or Kast. We very much want to lynch CJ.

We find it very, very, very, very sad that some people (coughcoughBlackberrycoughcough) are all "I can't vote Candlejack because he's uncc'ed Doctor" while *also* saying "I can vote WLC even though he's uncc'ed Cult Doctor just fine!"

[Mr Subliminal]

Didn't notice Oversoul just hammered. WLC, do you have any quick last words before your death?

[Mr Subliminal]

Triple post: Andrius, in BNM those powers resolved immediately because they took effect that same Night. tanstalas is saying that's not the case here -- he's claiming he couldn't use your power N1.

BNM also did not have any roleblockers (aside from a horrid fakeclaim, given the mechanics) or jailkeepers.

@Oversoul

: I was trying to see if WLC would admit to being scum. Next time let the gambit just go, ok?

[Mr Subliminal]

Blackberry, did you miss the size=200 question in my post, or are you ignoring it?

[Mr Subliminal]

Because I find reading your posts so incredibly frustrating, can you do us a solid and perhaps link where you answered it?

PEdit: If you are claiming Cult Doctor, just say so.

[Mr Subliminal]

Because I find reading your posts so incredibly frustrating, can you do us a solid and perhaps link where you answered it?

PEdit: If you are claiming Cult Doctor, just say so.

BLACKBERRY

WE STILL WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU THINK THERE'S A BUSDRIVER.

IF YOU'RE CLAIMING CULT DOCTOR, SAY SO. I DON'T WANT ANY SOFTCLAIMS FROM YOU. OTHERWISE, IF YOU'RE NOT CLAIMING IT, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHERE YOU HAVE ANSWERED WHY YOU THINK THERE'S A BUSDRIVER AND YOUR QUOTE MAKES NO SENSE TO US.

PEdit: BNM roles

[Mr Subliminal]

NOT.

ANSWERING.

THE.

QUESTION.

[Mr Subliminal]

If he isn't a White Lantern, then his Lantern Color is IN HIS ROLE PM RIGHT AFTER HIS NAME AND HE WOULD KNOW HE'S NON-WHITE.

vezokpiraka isn't a White Lantern. This thing you're referring to is because his character (which is Ice) is dressed in white. vezokpiraka's claim was incredibly butchered, yes, but that's not a scumtell for him.

We're very doubtful that vezokpiraka is anything but town.

TOASTYTOAST IS CULT RECRUITER.
OVERSOUL WAS A 1-SHOT SOMETHING (HAWK is my guess, AND IS NOW THE RECRUIT).

Toasty claimed to have JAILKEPT oversoul last night (first off, why jail-keep someone that only had a 1-shot ability?).

Blackberry, I'm so glad to see you're actually reading the game. We were thinking that Oversoul was the ring-giver as well, which is why we wanted him to claim if he knew that his power from D1 had gone through or not (1861, 1874, 1886).

We had missed that Oversoul claimed his ability was one-shot (that's our bad). Since it's been pointed out, Oversoul should definitely be claiming what his ability was and who he tried to use it on.

if vezok flips cult recruiter/mafia/culted, im going to give you all a big FUCKING, I told you so. Been trying to get his ass killed since like page two lol ._.

Not Voting (4) - vezokpiraka, inHimshallibe,

hiplop

We're pretty sure WLC flips mafia, but, still, goddamn, this was a bad lynch.

[Mr Subliminal]

@Blackberry:

I understand (though disagree with) why you have Candle Jack off, but why is Kast not on your list of cult recruiter candidates?

[Mr Subliminal]

I didnt vote today >_<

Yes, and combining your "Man if vezok is antitown I just *fucking* told you guys" bit with not voting is such the useful pro-town combination, let me tell you.

[Mr Subliminal]

Whoa whoa whoa.

I was not culted by ToastyToast last night. I do not have a ring modifying power/ring switcherooing power. I was able to choose on the first night between the ability of Watcher or Tracker. I think I already said this, but I took Tracker and used it on CJ.

I don't understand how me saying my ability could confirm or condemn CJ would lead to anything other than an investigation role. I repeat, my ability did nothing to change the role/power of my targets I merely tracked him.

Confirm or deny: You had a one-shot tracker or watcher. You chose to track Candle Jack N1.
Confirm or deny: You tracked Candle Jack N1.
Confirm or deny: You received no tracker report N1.
Confirm or deny: You received no tracker report N2.

VOTE: TOASTYTOAST

Doesn't matter, vezok hammered WLC. We're waiting for the lynch scene.

[Mr Subliminal]

Doesn't matter, vezok hammered WLC. We're waiting for the lynch scene.

Ha, I can't count. There was no hammer. Carry on.

[Mr Subliminal]

Oversoul, please to be claiming everything (name, etc) now.

[Mr Subliminal]

Less yelling at Blackberry (it doesn't work, trust me), more nameclaiming.

[Mr Subliminal]

WLC, Oversoul can't be the cult recruiter. So, yeah.

IF WLC FLIPS CR SUBLIMINAL IS RECRUIT

If WLC is CR, then no one can be recruited because nopointinactingup was recruited N1 and he was blocked N2 by tanstalas.

IF WLC FLIPS SCUM SUBLIMINAL IS SCUM

We think WLC is scum. This makes us scum? That would be funny if it weren't so goddamn sad.

We maintain CJ is the cult recruiter, and that CJ should be lynched.

[Mr Subliminal]

Magua. Batcave. Now.

Oversoul, I take it you aren't a WL?

[Mr Subliminal]

You said WLC was scum? Where?

#1935, #1939, #1973

And that's ignoring the fact that we've never said a kind word about WLC and have constantly approved of him getting lynched or roleblocked D1 and D2.

Subliminal, if you fucking think CJ is CR daykill his ass. What the fuck are you waiting for?

Our daykill only works on town.

[Mr Subliminal]

Oversoul, are you a White Lantern? y/n

[Mr Subliminal]

Our daykill only works on town.

Are you pulling a Nik-claim? I thought I liked your play style...

You obviously missed our claim which we made to Oversoul earlier:

Yes, we're the daykiller and Nikanor is the vanilla-izer. sux2bu. We're a third party SK group who are all Marvel comics characters.

pedit: LOOK AT THAT CHUMMINESS BETWEEN WLC AND SUBLIMINAL HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!!

We call him scum. Chumminess ensues. I suddenly feel Nikanor's pain.

[Mr Subliminal]

Mr. S: I don't know why you are pushing so hard for a CJ lynch if you agree WLC is scum. I don't see WLC as anything but CR or SK. Do you think he is mafia? If so, how do you work that one out?

Yes, we think he is scum, ie, mafia, ie, not cult. We wish to lynch cult. Scum => mafia for us; otherwise, we say anti-town.

We see a lot of buddying between WLC and the other flipped scum, and a lack of the other flipped scum trying to push a WLC lynch when he was a possible counterwagon to their own lynch.

Your post felt very knee-jerk-y. I don't think you were buddying but rather it felt liek you were trying ot throw some distance after having pushed hard for a different lynch target that literally cannot be CR.

Who have we pushed that literally cannot be CR? Enlighten us. We have zero interest in lynching Oversoul.

But, we do have interest in questioning Oversoul: Oversoul, according to my limited subject knowledge

I have a real life

, Aquaman should be one of the White Lanterns. You claim that you're not. Please clarify if there's anything in your role about why you're not when my subject matter expert

nerd

says that you should be.

[Mr Subliminal]

You know what's awesome

hot sex

?

Voting Candlejack.

[Mr Subliminal]

@Mod:

Can I get a sarcastic answer to the question of, "If I am a tracker who tracks a target N1, but is delayed, and is then jailkept N2, will I get a report?" And to save you the trouble of asking, yes, I would like a copy of the setup as well.

[Mr Subliminal]

@Mr.S-
To be clear, your objections to WLC are:
1> You don't think NPIAU would bus his Cult Recruiter
2> You think mafia would have pushed for a WLC lynch instead of bussing obv scum Apok or GW
Mostly I'm just getting the feeling that you don't accept the concept of bussing as plausible. It happens. All the time.

With all due respect Kast, no fucking shit. No one alive except for Blackberry has been off every scum lynch, so obviously there's been bussing. But that hasn't stopped us from being on *every scum lynch*, so, fucking A, we know that sometimes scum bus and that still doesn't keep us from lynching them.

We do

not

think WLC is the cult recruiter. We think he is mafia. We think Candlejack is the cult recruiter. Saying "bus" does not change our minds on this, and trust us when we say we're

well

aware of the possibility.

[Mr Subliminal]

You concur OS is lying. You concur OS is not CR.

If OS was cult recruited, he wasn't jailkept, and his action went through and CJ got his ring (which happened).

ToastyToast is cult.

@

CultLeader

Toast - I thought so too but Kast's point makes sense.

Are YOU agreeing that OS is lying?

Ok. We're tired of this game.

@Blackberry:

Explain why you think there's a bus driver. Claim whatever you need to to explain how you came to this thought.

@Blackberry:

After explaining why you think there's a bus driver, explain how you can hold the thoughts that "There is a bus driver" and "Oversoul not being jailkept => Toasty is recruiter" in your head at the same time.

[Mr Subliminal]

I don't understand the second one. You think those two thoughts are incompatible? O_o If there is a bus driver, I know 1 of the 2 targets. I personally would like to know both targets, but then again, I could be completely wrong, as I'm basing it off of an outguess-the-mod thing.

You understand how, if there's a bus driver, actions can get redirected? Yes? You see how thinking there's a bus driver combined with a certainty that Toasty is CR because of a missing jailkeep on Oversoul are slightly incompatible?

[Mr Subliminal]

And if the bus driver targetted Oversoul...

...

...

[Mr Subliminal]

And I'm just going to get this out of the way, whatever bus driver bullshit you're referring to occurred N2, right? 'Cause if it's N1 when LLD was alive, I'mma kill you.

[Mr Subliminal]

Oversoul, you should read BNM. In a cult game, town can lynch correctly every single Day and still lose. We think WLC is mafia. He needs to die at some point...but lynching the cult recruiter is a higher priority.

If you think WLC is a cult recruiter, fine, continue to vote him. You're obv-wrong, but whatever's fair. If you think WLC is mafia, however, then you need to be voting someone else.

We still believe Candlejack needs to die in a fire.

We really wish for this to happen.

We will bake cookies if it does.

[Mr Subliminal]

Dear Kast;

...and anyone else who thinks WLC is the cult recruiter...

We think it's pretty goddamn obvious that WLC is mafia. We think the votes of Apokalyptika, Toogeloo, and Ghostwriter, which display an avoidance of voting WLC even when he's the only valid counterwagon, are proof of this.

We will hammer WLC only on the condition that you make a vow that if he dies and flips Mafia, you vote whoever the fuck we damn well say for the second lynch. If he flips cult or town, fine, no obligation, but if he flips mafia we get to say "WE FUCKING TOLD YOU SO" and then you lynch our target of choice.

Deal?

[Mr Subliminal]

Cult and his recruitee. Gotta love 'em.

Yes, Oversoul, you caught us. We thought it'd be a good play to say "We're going to hammer our recruiter now, and oh, by the way, if we do and he flips recruiter like you all say he does, then we get nothing out of it." We admit we may not have thought our cunning plan all the way through

drunk

.

Mr. S, how do you explain CJ=CR when he claimed Dr.?

Er.

Er.

We think he's lying and he's not a doctor at all.

Er.

How do you explain WLC=CR when he claimed Cult Doctor? I mean, your question kind of confuses us. Or, to put it otherwise: yes, in a setup that seems to have eighty trillion roleblockers, we think its possible there's no doctor.

[Mr Subliminal]

We will happily vote WLC if Kast and Oversoul both agree to be our vote lackeys when WLC flips mafia.

[Mr Subliminal]

If you think it's a mod-provided fakeclaim, that throws your syntax error theory out the window.

Become our vote lackey! Help us help you! Sign up today!

[Mr Subliminal]

You only have to give us your vote if you were wrong and we were right.

And what's the chances of that occurring?

subliminal, you're wrong. GhostWriter clearly came in to the thread before he died and put his vote on WLC, claiming that WLC was the most likely CR.

Yeah, we read that part as bad distancing. We were thinking more about Apokalyptika not voting WLC in the first D2 lynch despite being the only competing wagon, combined with what seems like a lot of vote synergy between WLC and Toogeloo, and then WLC and Apokalyptika.

The main thrust of it is that we do not read WLC as cult recruiter *at all*

recruited N2

, yet still don't read him as town.

We do wish to lynch Candlejack, and so Candlejack should claim before that happens.

[Mr Subliminal]

None because you are wrong, Skrew. Once he flips CR does that mean you get to be my lackey? I am going to enjoy this.

Sure. If he flips recruiter, we'll be your *vote* lackey.

Not any other kind of lackey

hot sex

.

[Mr Subliminal]

We wish acknowledgment from Kast.

[Mr Subliminal]

If you're asking whether we'd be willing to go with a CJ lynch

IN THE EVENT WLC IS NOT CR

, then yeah no problem with that. Obviously CJ should post and claim/explain anything before getting lynched (so this isn't an agreement to turbo lynch if WLC is non-CR).

No, the agreement is that if WLC is *mafia*, your vote is *ours*. Because we're really confident that he is mafia and not the CR and is a bad lynch until after the CR is dead.

[Mr Subliminal]

VC?

We want lackeys.

[Mr Subliminal]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: WLC
Tans hammer and stuff.
If you guys are trolling right now...
>_>
<_<
LACKEYS

[Mr Subliminal]

wtf BB

[Mr Subliminal]

Hangman Time:
----------

[Mr Subliminal]

----------
Wrong: B

wtf Nik

[Mr Subliminal]

----------
Wrong: BP

Nik, you magically appear at lynches?

[Mr Subliminal]

S---------
Wrong: BP

[Mr Subliminal]

hiplop, was that a lowercase L or an uppercase i?

[Mr Subliminal]

Speaking of your Apprentice...

SL--------
Wrong: BP

[Mr Subliminal]

SL--------
Wrong: BPO

[Mr Subliminal]

SL--------
Wrong: BPOA

[Mr Subliminal]

SLEE----E-
Wrong: BPOA

[Mr Subliminal]

SEXYKREW! =D

ohaither;)

[Mr Subliminal]

hiplop, it was a Bastard game, obviously.
>_>
<_<

[Mr Subliminal]

You caught us. This is actually dana and Dekes. SKrew and Magua are obvalts.

[Mr Subliminal]

Candlejack should be claiming everything now.

[Mr Subliminal]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT BLACKBERRY

You're a Cop and you copped THE CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN?

[Mr Subliminal]

ALSO

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COP IHSIB. GODFUCKINGDAMMIT, HE CLAIMED MILLER, EITHER HE'S A MILLER OR HE'S MAFIA. GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.

[Mr Subliminal]

I am using my powers on inHim tonight to confirm him non-CR. Plus, this will keep a truce with Mafia and give them an incentive to not kill me. At this point I don't really care about finding mafia since we've killed 3. I just want to find the CR. If I can confirm 100% that inHim is non-CR, then that is what I'm going to do tonight.

IHSIB is 10000000000000000000000% not CR.

Waiting for other head to respond in Batcave about claiming

which fakeclaim to use

.

[Mr Subliminal]

What's this "nothing"? We claimed dayvigging serial killer, remember?

[Mr Subliminal]

We claim White Lantern. Our ability is anti-cult, so we'd like a ring. Pretty please.

zMuffinMan, hiplop, and Nikanor will confirm us by reading one of the following posts. We're including multiple posts to fuck with people. Only one confirms us as town. No need to say which one.

#39
#252
#479
#606
#675

Since we're a White Lantern, we ain't claiming jack else, 'cept that we don't have a ring which we would like.

[Mr Subliminal]

Spoiler: Dear Andrius

Suck it. =)

Mr. S

- You stated White Lanterns can't be cult earlier, is this true? Can WL's not turn into cult?

Mr. S

- How do you have an ability, yet not have a ring? What is the difference/what does that mean?

Next to your name, in your role PM, does it say what membership you are apart of? I.e., 'White Lantern', or does it say something else?

We see no reason to answer any of these questions until after the recruiter has been killed.

I think we should make someone who ISN'T already confirmed (Muffin, Hiplop) confirm Mr. S's statement.

You would prefer someone who's *not* confirmed to confirm our statement, rather than someone who *is* confirmed?

[Mr Subliminal]

If you aren't cooperative I will vote you too. Us non-WLs need more information from you guys to get a better idea of the picture.

This is really rich, coming from you of all people. Go ahead.

I agree answering if WL can't turn cult is a good thing to keep secret. But do you know, for a fact, that all 'White Lantern' claims are in fact, not cult?

It is confirmed for us that none of Nikanor, zMuffinMan, and hiplop are the cult recruiter.

[Mr Subliminal]

Nah, I just want more information because I feel like I'm in the dark.

How is it possible you KNOW they aren't Cult Leader? Does your PM specifically STATE this?

If NOT. It is very possible a cult leader was given a fake claim that IS a White Lantern.

Blackberry, even the one head here who thinks your town isn't going to answer your question because of shit like:

I am using my investigation on inHim. I am not budging.

Here. We'll tell you IHSIB comes back as guilty. Now you don't even need to send in an investigation at all.

[Mr Subliminal]

Andrius, why is CJ town aside from "lolheclaimedWalker"?

[Mr Subliminal]

This is a very important question because it lets us know if we SHOULD clear the WL or if we should look into them further. At this point we all know Cult/Mafia are given fake-claims. It is very likely CL could be given a claim such as the rest of you.

It is confirmed for us that none of Nikanor, zMuffinMan, and hiplop are the cult recruiter.

Either you trust us or you don't. If you don't trust us, then our answer to the question is irrelevant.

[Mr Subliminal]

Considering that your opinion on Candlejack is best expressed as, "He claimed doctor, therefore he's legit," we don't really give a fuck.

[Mr Subliminal]

You don't give a f#ck about finding Cult and confirming or not-confirming people as non-CR?

Show us where we said anything like this. We've already confirmed them as non-CR. You're the one who's trying to unconfirm them.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with answering the question, except for the fact you are being non-compliant.

If you think we're lying, vote us.
If you think we're stupid, we're going to roll over here on the floor pissing in our respective pants. In the meantime, you can vote us.
Otherwise, continue on with your masterful plan of "Candlejack is confirmed non-recruiter because he claimed doctor, but, ooooooh, these White Lanterns over here are scummy." Let us know how that works out for you.

[Mr Subliminal]

I'm not calling you scummy. I'm asking for f#cking compliance.

IF YOU THINK WE'RE STUPID, VOTE US. OTHERWISE, IF YOU THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A FUCKING CLUE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, THEN MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE.

END.

OF.

DISCUSSION.

[Mr Subliminal]

Oh, god, the fact that this is coming from the person who's saying they're going to cop the miller tonight just makes us RAGE.

[Mr Subliminal]

Other head here.

Blackberry, do you think any of zMuffinMan, hiplop, or Nikanor are the cult recruiter?

Do you think we're the cult recruiter?

@Oversoul:

Man, you're totally right. You should vote us.

[Mr Subliminal]

The fact you are being noncompliant makes me suspect you could be and just want to be considered clear.

Nikanor acts cult-recruited today. He is barely posting considering he said this is his 'favorite game'.

Muffin I doubt but it's always possible. But I'm going to say least-likely.

If hiplop had a fake-WL claim him being cleared based on his flavor-play would definetly be a smart move.

You suspected none of us before the WLC lynch. WLC was not even your top contender for you for recruiter. What changed?

Mr. S, why do you not care if people vote you?

Because it's not lylo and anyone who quickhammers will lose, thus no one will. See: WLC lynch.

[Mr Subliminal]

I have an open-mind. Unlike everyone else, I am not afraid to think about everything and change my mind.

I'm considering all the possibilities here and only clearing those that are 100% cleared as non-CR.

So you're considering Candlejack and Kast, then?

[Mr Subliminal]

I'll say... 2 Mafia (Vezok & ???)

If there was only some way of...investigating...someone that might tell you if they were mafia or not!

[Mr Subliminal]

They're in the clear list.

Elaborate.

Because as far as we can tell, your argument for Candlejack being clear is "He claimed doctor."

And your argument for Kast being clear is "He said that tanstalas visited Andrius D2 after tanstalas said he visited Andrius D1."

And neither of those are compelling reasons to clear someone. Otherwise, we would like to change our claim to tracker. We tracked vezokpiraka N1, and he visited Oversoul. N2, we got no report. Are we clear now too?

I'm investigating inHim. My mind will not be changed.

At this point, we're not trying to change your mind. That will not stop other head from mocking incredibly bad play, though.

[Mr Subliminal]

EBWOP: Replace D2 with D3 and D1 with D2 in the above.

[Mr Subliminal]

That is, our clear list is:

Nikanor, zMuffinMan, hiplop: WL
vezokpiraka, Oversoul: Oversoul was delayed N1 when there was an N1 recruit
Andrius, tanstalas: tanstalas confirms that Andrius' power isn't a CR power

Leaves:
Blackberry: Just do not think he's CR
IHSIB: Just do not think he's CR
Candlejack: Think he's CR
Kast: Think he's CR if CJ is not
Toast: Think he's CR if CJ and Kast are not.

We're not particularly persuaded by the whole "Oversoul is obv culted just look at his messages and that means Toasty must be recruiter." Sorry, Blackberry.

PEdit: In response to Oversoul's shattering attack on us, we would like to change our claim to Doctor. Are we clear now?

[Mr Subliminal]

Oversoul, do you think any of Nikanor, hiplop, zMuffinMan are cult recruiter or mafia?

[Mr Subliminal]

subliminal, make this clear:

1) Are you or are you not justice league?

We are not.

2) You're claiming doc, right?

No. Well, we did claim it, but that's because we like making Oversoul rage. We're not a doctor. We're also not a daykilling serial killer with Nikanor. Just in case you were wondering.

3) Did you get the PM D1? If so, without breaking any rules, what was the PM about?

Yes. Rather than answering the second question directly, we suggest you read the PM, then read the five posts linked earlier, one of which should blatantly confirm that us to you.

4) Do you have any passive abilities?

Yes.

Fucking nub.

[Mr Subliminal]

Subliminal, did you get a PM?

3) Did you get the PM D1? If so, without breaking any rules, what was the PM about?

Yes. Rather than answering the second question directly, we suggest you read the PM, then read the five posts linked earlier, one of which should blatantly confirm that us to you.

"that us to you". I really need to talk to other head about their grammar

GED

.

We still like Candlejack for the lynch. We see where zMuffinMan is going with the Toasty push, but one of us still thinks Toasty is town, because one of us can't admit when they're wrong

always

.

Despite our dislike of Blackberry, we did have the same thought as he did that Oversoul was a ring-giver who tried to give Candlejack a ring N1. However, we think that Blackberry's attack over the messages is wrong, as Oversoul claims to be explicitly roleblocked in #1250 (which we assume comes from a message), and that would be before he could be culted.

[Mr Subliminal]

Upon reflection, we would like to lynch Candlejack.

If he's the cult recruiter, hurrahs and champagne etc.
If he's scum, a few weak-hearted attaboys.
If he's town and did in fact get an orange ring, zMuffinMan does his voodoo on Toasty and then we lynch Toasty the next Day.

[Mr Subliminal]

Why not just lynch OS?

Why would we ever lynch Oversoul? There's no way he's anything but town or a recruit[1]. Lynching Oversoul is a downright terrible move.

If your question is "Why not lynch Toasty," it's because we think CJ has a higher chance of being the recruiter, that's why.

[1] We are so not sure where you got the possibility of Oversoul, who is the only person besides us to be on every single mafia lynch, is mafia, but upon reflection, we also don't care.

[Mr Subliminal]

There might be two mafia faction (just like the first game). In which Oversoul bussing his mafia leader wouldn't be that bad, now would it?His claim of 1-shot watcher OR tracker makes no sense to me as a town role. Lynching Oversoul guarantees we can figure out who CR is (between CJ and Toasty) without losing a power role.

There's not two mafia factions, which is mod confirmed at this point.

(And even if there were, bussing your partner with two mafia factions makes even less sense than bussing with only one. But since there's only one, that's neither here nor there.)

Riddle me this,

Batman

Blackberry: Oversoul flips 1-shot Tracker or Watcher. What do you do?

[Mr Subliminal]

Or to put this more succinctly: your *entire* reason for wanting to lynch Oversoul is that you think he's the ring giver. If he's not the ring giver, you have nothing.

@Oversoul:

You claim this in #1263:

What? That doesn't even make sense. I'm not cult. If he can steal abilities that are already used up he might get something. If he can't, then he won't get anything. I've already crumbed what my ability was, but you all took it as a cult claim.

Please show us where your crumbs are.

[Mr Subliminal]

Then we go after CJ if no one confesses to giving CJ the ring.

While we approve of lynching CJ, the idea that "If Oversoul flips tracker/watcher, CJ *must* be lying about getting a ring" is a terrible idea.

Point-Blank: One of CJ/OS is lying.

Or someone else gives out rings. You did this same shit when you said Friend had culted Toasty; you can't start with the assumption of what you want to believe and work from there.

Somebody give me a good reason OS is voting himself if he is TOWN.

There is never a good reason for town to self vote.

This does not mean that town never self vote.

I DON'T KNOW HOW SOMEONE CAN BE AS STUPID AS YOU BUT YO UARE FUCKING RETARDED. I HAVE PROVEN THAT I WAS ROLEBLOCKED, PEOPLE HAVE PROVEN THAT THEY ROLEBLOCKED ME. SUBLIMINA, THE ISO BEFORE THAT ONE YOU QUOTED IS THE ONE WHERE I BASICALLY CLAIMED.

#1260 is just you saying your ability was one-shot. You say you crumbed what your ability *was*. That's what we're interested in. Some crumb that indicates one-shot-tracker-watcher.

[Mr Subliminal]

Show crumbs plz.

[Mr Subliminal]

FFS OVERSOUL

YOU'RE NOT A ONE-SHOT

Nothing in there says you're a one shot. It says you choose to be a tracker or a watcher. Period. Full stop.

I am epicly facepalming at this moment. Please tell us any information about why you thought you're a one shot *at all*.

ALSO, please show the crumbs you're referring to about your role being tracker earlier.

[Mr Subliminal]

If Oversoul gets modkilled for quoting his Role PM, we may be fucked.

If he gets modkilled and is town, which is really the only case where he's going to get modkilled, Toasty should be on Candlejack, full stop. I don't care about "I'mma rolecop," I think he's the recruiter.

vezokpiraka should be on Kast. If both vezok and Kast are telling the truth, Kast should(?) receive his report from N2 regardless.

I really don't see Toasty-cult-recruiter if Oversoul is town.

If there's no modkill, then we can all discuss this like rational peoples instead of like raging children

Oversoul

.

[Mr Subliminal]

Regardless, I think kdub is cleared .

He ain't the cult recruiter, that's for sure.

OH WAIT. DIDN'T SOMEONE

who is very very smart

SAY THAT

and sexxxy

FIFTY TIMES ALREADY

just talking bout

Shaft

Mr. Subliminal

?

My god.

Why would Kast receive his report from N2 regardless?

Because he was delayed, not roleblocked?

Also, Kast was Vanillalized... O_o

Er, yes, he said that. And...?

[Mr Subliminal]

Look, someone in the group of (Toasty, Candlejack, Kast) is lying.

Toasty can confirm himself to Candlejack -- Candlejack will know if he was roleblocked because he won't get a report. D4 starts, we hear what Candlejack says:

If says he got no report, we lynch Candlejack. If Candlejack's town, Toasty is cleared, we lynch Kast next.
If he says he got a report, we lynch Toasty. If Toasty is town, we lynch Candlejack next.

So if Candlejack is the recruiter, no problem. He's getting jailed, and he'll get lynched.
If Toasty is the recruiter, he can recruit Candlejack, or he can recruit someone else. Either way will result in Toasty getting lynched tomorrow.
If Kast is the recruiter, I want him delayed or roleblocked or something because we might not lynch him tomorrow. He's claimed no town PR, so there's no chance of us losing something by doing this.

If Oversoul

doesn't

get modkilled, I want to know what Andrius' power is exactly, probably lynch Kast, and then enact a variant of the above where Toasty jailed Candlejack, because I am 100% that the recruiter is in those three.

[Mr Subliminal]

I want to know what Andrius' power is exactly

Strike this. If Oversoul doesn't get modkilled, tanstalas needs to say what Andrius' power is, and then Andrius can confirm/deny. Andrius is confirmed non-recruiter to tanstalas, I want tanstalas to confirm non-recruiter to Andrius.

[Mr Subliminal]

Why would CR fake-claim a Tracker, something they know they won't be able to prove N2/etc./etc...

Why would a tracker claim if they had no useful information? Why say "I'm going to follow you Blackberry" D2, instead of just *tracking* you?

Believe it or not, it is possible to fake investigative role results. And so far Kast has nothing that confirms him -- his only claimed report is public knowledge that everyone knew D2 anyways. So he's in the bucket.

[Mr Subliminal]

hiplop

Read the PM.

Read the posts.

Profit.

[Mr Subliminal]

Of course he does, we gave it to him when he recruited us last Night.

You seriously think hiplop, faking a WL, would say, "heyguyzIdunseethebreadcrumb"?

No.

@Toasty:

Do you roleblock and protect your targets, or do you roleblock your target and make them untargettable?

[Mr Subliminal]

How many times have I called OS out on his mistakes, yet no one is listening?

Trust us when we say we haven't been listening to you for quite some time.

@Mod:

I would like another snarky answer please. Assume Jailkeeper A targets Player B. Roleblocker C targets Jailkeeper A. Does the jailkeep go through, or is it roleblocked?

(That is, do they resolve simultaneously, or are we using NAR's Golden Rule?)

[Mr Subliminal]

Why is no one else looking at hiplop as CR?

Because he's confirmed non-CR, non-scum.

We're confirmed non-CR, non-scum.

IHSIB, now kdub, requires a CR who claims miller (which saves them from mafia investigations they already have no fear of, at the cost of making them vig targets, which they should have a fear of -- even if BP, it'll look bad) and then retracts that claim under 0 pressure and claims the Peregrine kill (which could make sense for a BP to do, but again, unneeded risk when IHSIB was under 0 pressure). We do not believe in this story.

Toasty could be CR, we agree with that.

Why is Kast missing from your list?

[Mr Subliminal]

btw subliminal... purple?

Yes, purple.

Hiplop please prove you got this PM

NOTHING you've posted has indicated or cleared that you did indeed get the WL PMNOTHING you've posted has indicated or cleared that you did indeed get the WL PM

We already believe that hiplop received the PM.

We're basically just waiting to see if Oversoul gets modkilled at this point.

If Oversoul gets modkilled:

ToastyToast jailkeeps Candlejack
vezokpiraka delays Kast
Andrius roleblocks Kast

Andrius possibly being a Candlejack recruit and roleblocking ToastyToast is the only flaw we see in this plan, but it'll still end with Candlejack being lynched tomorrow, so best we can do in this situations.

[Mr Subliminal]

Should I claim the PM? I know I SHOULD be the one to do it, but should I do it right now?

No.

[Mr Subliminal]

Wait! Inhim accounts for 1 kill each night which means there's only 1 mafia factiOn most likely!! :-O

Hello, welcome to the game.

[Mr Subliminal]

Why is Mr Sub fishing for a modkill here?

That's some nice Blackberry-level conspiracy-shit.

Oh, wait.

Or do you have a problem with the plan being outlined? Because if you do,

I'm

we're all ears. Otherwise, mudslinging is yawn.

What if oversoul doesn't get modkilled?

Then, working plan is:

- Lynch Kast
- ToastyToast jailkeeps you (this is the same)
- vezokpiraka delays Andrius
- Oversoul tracks vezokpiraka

Why aren't you commenting on hiplop, or answering my question about why you said this:

What part of "non-CR, non-mafia" do you find as not being "commenting"?

As to the why: because we're capable of reading.

[Mr Subliminal]

Actually, Oversoul should track Toasty, not vezokpiraka, because we're pretty goddamn certain vezok is town.

[Mr Subliminal]

i think that the cult recruiter is able to predict who people will target
trololol

Nikanor, we'll be slightly less sarcastic with you because we know that at least you started out town, but if you can't be goddamn helpful, then please, for the love of

Christ

Oa, shut the fuck up.

kthx.

[Mr Subliminal]

We're assuming you're claiming non-WL, which is weird because Jade is one of the 12.
And she stopped being a Green Lantern LONG before Brightest Day.
Any flavor justification of being a Tracker?