Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER
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Andrius wrote:Mr Subliminal wrote:The Entity is confused by these strange beings. Thankfully, Swamp Thing will take care of them...
I will reveal Step 2 before tonight.
O_o
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo what do you think of BB?
And the Toast_SK stuff?
I've barely said anything... why would you ask someone what they think of me? What kind of answer are you expecting exactly? O_o-
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Nikanor wrote:Blackberry wrote:Although I do want Nikanor to answer my question: Do you detect everything? Why get a "Hostile" and then get a "SK" result?
Fine Mr. Death Note, I'll answer your questions about my inspection ability.
The ability's name is Scumhunting. Each day, I may claim a guilty result on someone. The results I can get are, "scum," "mafia," "hostile," "cult," "sk," and "third-party." If I target town, I lose this ability.
I am 99% sure you are lying.
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Kast wrote:Reviewing the low post players, I actually think Blackberry is more guilty of both offenses. I suggest you read through his post history; he begins with questioning Nikanor, he points out the Uncultable vs Unrecruitable role descriptor (could indicate he is interested in cult hunting, or could indicate he's cult and wants to know what he's up against), he fence sits regarding Nik vs Toast, but continues to post to discredit Nik (though admittedly, his criticisms are spot on). He contributes little content, and takes no official stances, while at the same time adding fuel to Toast and myself who had both voiced criticism of Nik's fake gambit, while keeping himself distanced. That rings to me as a non-commital cult-like play. Also, his criticism of Mr. S's gambit.
Peregrine's *3 posts* also worries me, especially as his justification for voting WLC is that WLC voted Mr. Sthe Entity, and he didn't remove that vote after Mr. S revealed that it was a fake gambit. I think there's a good chance peregrine is cult, fake cult-hunting, and happy to push the WLC wagon.
POINT 1: "Reviewing the low post players"... What is a low post player? Considering the fact that I just replaced into a position of someone who wasn't here, as soon as I joined I believe I've been active. Thus, comperatively, I would not be considered a 'low post player' IMO. Did you look at this at all? I just joined today and I am definetely not lurking, which is what I believe your intentions were of a 'low post player'.
POINT 2: If I was a cult, I don't ask about "what is uncultable vs. unrecruitable because I want to know who I can recruit. This isn't WIFOM, it's plain cut and clear, if you're cult, you ask about it in private and don't bring it up in thread. Thinking I asked that because I was a cult trying to get information is a bad claim.
POINT 3: Anyone who is smart probably could guess I wasn't just questioning Nikanor for nothing.
POINT 4: I am not fencesitting conscerning Toast vs. Nikanor. I think I made it very clear that I do not want to lynch either of them and brought it to the surface that the likely scenario is Nikanor is fakeclaiming (which he admits) and that Toasty is sincere and just missed the fakeclaim.
POINT 5: My intention wasn't to 'discredit' Nikanor, but moreso to get the truth out of him because I knew he was lying.
POINT 6: You say I take no official stances, yet as I just said in this post and an earlier one, that I don't want to lynch Nikanor or Toast.
POINT 7: Do you really think I've contributed little content? Considering I just replaced in and still have not had time to read through the entire thread, I have still skimmed and got right into Day 2 so that I could figure out what I saw right in front of me. Does that sound like lurking scum or cult to you?-
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Mr Subliminal wrote:Blackberry wrote:Looking for Cult Leader makes you less likely to be Cult Leader? O_o
More the "drawing a lot of attention to ourselves" and "making ourselves a target to be killed."
That would all depend on if attention is being drawn to the right place. ... I.e., if you are accusing non-Cult of being cult, well then what's it matter? Drawing attention to the "culties" might make sense. Btw, obviously, the recruit target would be someone who is active and conviently town-like yet wouldn't draw a kill, etc., etc.-
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I skimmed a *little*.
My concern right now is Kast thinking I am Cult or Cult-related AND voting me. You think Cult Recruiter was someone who didn't talk at all last night and talked the way I did at the beginning of the day? In my opinion, the Cult Recruiter is going to be someone acting really town, after all, they ARE actively hunting for mafia and really need to kill them off while avoiding being killed by them so they can build their army.
I personally don't think I did anything cult-associated. I admittedly hadn't even read the game yet, and as I had said, I was jumping into things where I saw that I could have an opinion on things without having to read however many pages. I.e., Kast's amount of pressure on me and adamentisity concerns me and seems unwarranted if he is a townie.-
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Kast wrote:BB, I don't really see you as doing anything pro town or pro mafia. I don't see you as having done anything really all game. That feels like cult to me. Youstillhaven't voted or stated any suspicions or scum hunted in any way.
I HAVEN'T READ THE GAME YET. HAVE I NOT SAID THAT SEVERAL TIMES? MY INTENTION IS NOT TO LURK, I DO PLAN TO CONTRIBUTE AND SIT DOWN AND READ WHEN I HAVE TIME. YOUR CONSTANT BASHING AGAINST ME WHEN I HAVE BLANTATLY STATED I HAVEN'T READ THE GAME YET IS RATHER ANNOYING. Tunneling on me seems really scummy IMO, however, I don't have enough context on everything though nor have I read you enough to make a decision on if you're scum-related or just annoying me. Saying you think I am cult because I am not scum-hunting, YET, ignoring the fact I haven't read the game raises red flags to me. Tunneling without contemplation. Townies consider what their targets are saying, you seem not to be.
Without reading everything, and only skimming a few things:
A) The mafia flips so far have been two different colors. I don't know much about Green Lanterns, but this tells me that all the mafia will be different colors. I.e., it is possible for a Green Lantern to be a mafia (just IMO). As the text would suggest they are part of the SAME mafia.
B) It makes perfect sense to me that the Cult Leader would have targetted someone that seems obvious town. I.e., not someone inactive, not someone scummy. This should be common knowledge though. It isn't WIFOM. If you are cult, you target someone who is looking townie so you can use them. The question is, who was acting fairly-townish yesterday that is not acting different and/or avoiding lynching someone?
C) I'm not sure what skypetells I have according to Andrius, but I'm glad he sees I am town. I was counting more on tanstalas and Nikanor to stick up for me and realize I'm town when it does get down to it. Tans has seen me play as town and mafia before and I think he'd see a clear difference. Nikanor has seen me as anti-town before where I do absolutely nothing. I might not have scum-hunted 100% yet, but I think tans will be able to see the clear parallels in how I am playing now and what I HAVE done and how I have played before as town (i.e., how I operate and figure out things).-
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hiplop is likely Cult Recruiter
Friend was Culted last night
... doing a read on Friend, he reads very likely cult recruit after D1
D2, he asks for the kill to be claimed and his general flow of conversation suggests to me he was cult recruited. I think he wanted to know who Vig was so they could recruit him. I think it's a possibility people still maintain their abilities after being recruited and thus why the information is needed.
Thus, Friend is Cult-Recruited. Hiplop is moreso a guess though based on Friend's reacts and who he is defending yet trying to avoid.
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Given my idea that I strongly believe Friend was culted, I can't see WLC as Cult.
... Also, it's intended for Andrius to get culted tonight if cult believes he isn't mafia. But me outting this might screw things up.
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nopointinactingup wrote:Something doesn't feel right about the GW wagon. It's too fast to be on scum
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@Mod:I'm going on VLA for 3 busy days so don't prod me <3 Thanks
Also, my very first opinion of this post was that it was scummy. Perhaps it is the WAY you said it. If you were scum and GW flipped scum, it'd be in use of defense. If you are scum and GW flipped town, this gives you the "I told you so" card that mafia would know about in advance. However, after reading through a bit, I agree this GW thing doesn't seem right to me. At the very least, if we're going for CULT RECRUITER, I don't see any reason for GW to be the Cult Recruiter.
I would like nopoint to elaborate on his initial impression. "Something doesn't feel right" I agree with. But your short post makes me feel like you could just be scum saying that so you can either pull out the "I told you so card" or so that if GW is a mafia-partner you can make this short comment and allow OTHERS to agree with you.-
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GhostWriter wrote:My problem with WLC is that MrS's Entity claim was fairly obviously fake, due mostly to the fact that it's too early in the timeline for that. Yet WLC seems to try to discredit the White Lanterns. In conjunction with Ooba's train of thought yesterday, I'm really feeling like WLC is indeed the CR.
I will say that GW probably is mafia-sided, but not CR.
Saying someone's claim is "fairly obviously fake" sounds like scum to me. "Due mostly to the fact that it's too early in the timeline for that". I can't see a towns person saying that or having that thought as a genuine flow of logic.
While I think GW is probably scum, let's find Friend's CR. Mmmmk?-
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A) Andrius - I think you're reading too much into my post. I bolded that to emphasize that Friend being Cult is my main belief moreso than the hiplop thing.
B) Friend - you calling hiplop town D1 doesn't put a hole in it, it actually adds to my theory, CR would recruit someone who already thinks CR is town because if they recruit someone who suspects them and then the next day they turn around and say "NVM I think the CR is town" it looks rather suspect
C) Friend's reaction in post #1424 is highly suspect to me. Psychologically, this post tells me that Friend knows he is cult and thus is worried that his V/LA may be interpreted as lurking. No one made such a statement yet Friend is pissed off about the possibility he will be accused of lurking... Do town randomly yell out "And if you accuse me or lurking then f*** you?" This reads as GUILT to me because it's been something friend has been WORRIED about.-
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Mr Subliminal wrote:BB dies a painful and horrible death if Friend flips anything except Cult. Even if he somehow flips Mafia, BB dies death. Painful and horrible death.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Friend
But my friend Friend must die a swift and just death first
Why do you want to kill Friend exactly? ...
Also, defusion of responsibility to me makes you look scummier.-
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Mr Subliminal wrote:Hold the fucking phone here.
Blackberry wrote:hiplop is likely Cult Recruiter
Friend was Culted last night
... doing a read on Friend, he reads very likely cult recruit after D1
Let's get this through our heads, shall we?
Blackberry says something really convincing grave here. It's even in bold. "Friend was culted." That's bad. We want to find the cult, so we pay attention.
Then we learn that Blackberry is just spewing shit.This isn't a claim of a result or an ability or an investigation, this is Blackberry saying he doesn't like how Friend has been playing, and that if Friend were culted, man, hiplop would be the one to do it.
Andrius jumps on this and is all, "I'm all over shooting you, Friend"
HIPLOP CANNOT BE THE CULT RECRUITER.
We shall emphasize this again.
HIPLOP CANNOT BE THE CULT RECRUITER.
Blackberry's just spewing bullshit and watching Andrius take it up is making us twitch. There's a very small list of people who can be the cult recruiter. These are the people who should die. Andrius saying that he would shoot someone because *Blackberry*, of all people, had a bad feeling from reading a post is just *twitch twitch twitch*.
The only thing that's twitchier is Ghostwriter not claiming. But seriously, Andrius, what the fuck?
I'm confused. You admit right here that you read the part where I said it wasn't 100% with the underlined comment.-
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I still think:
A) Mr. S wanting to lynch what he thought was a cult RECRUIT is scummy
B) His wording on "I don't care what Friend comes up as, blah, blah, blah, if he isn't cult we're killing BB"
This actually makes me think Mr. S KNOWS Friend isn't cult either because Mr. S is cult, or he is scum partners with Friend. Either makes sense. But being town and wanting to lynch a recruitee doesn't make much sense.-
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Mr Subliminal wrote:Blackberry wrote:How is it dumb exactly?
Mr. S seems to know Friend isn't cult in my opinon. If he was mafia partners with Friend, he would know this. If Mr. S was cult himself, he would know.
EITHER MAKES SENSE AS TO HOW MR. S WOULD KNOW FRIEND ISN'T CULT.
Or Mr. S thought you were making a Cult Cop claim.
A: The Cult Cop already DIED and would suggest whoever posted that wasn't paying attention to the flips
B: Lynching a Cult Recruit is DUMB
... So if you deny both my suggestions, you have no choice but to admit if you're that that particular head is dumb, no?-
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Andrius wrote:Read Blackest Night Mafia.
Tell me where I'm not making sense.
We can chase down mafioso during the day but that's what the CR wants- and he GROWS.
Every day we don't lynch him he grows more powerful. More cultists behind his call.
I'm saying we go for the CR.
Now.
Because BNM should have been a town victory.
BRIGHTEST DAY WILL BE THAT TOWN VICTORY.
NO BULLSHIT WITH NOT ENOUGH LYNCHES- THEY GAVE US THAT (lol_broken but still).
Aren't we trying to go after CR? Is there anyone that isn't? The fact that the Cult Cop is dead is 10x more reason to go after the CR instead of mafia (besides the fact that 2/3 lynches we've killed a mafia indicates we're onto a good start).-
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Mr Subliminal wrote:FRIEND, DO NOT CLAIM. DO NOT FUCKING CLAIM.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe:
A) Only one person (Andrius) asked Friend to claim
B) Friend isn't anywhere near lynch
C) Friend was accused of being a Cult Recruit, meaning he would have a legitimate claim before he was recruited
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All that being said, I'm really curious as to why Friend even said "I'LL CLAIM" with barely any reason to. Unless he feels guilt. Do you feel guilt and pressure Friend?-
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Answer the question I asked friend.
What does "If I claim it will be anti-town" mean?
Also, why does Mr. S think I want Friend to claim. I clearly just said if he is a cult recruit he would already have a legitimate claim to claim. Him wanting to claim unprovoked (not near lynch, only one person asking for it) seems strange to me.-
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First I get accused of not doing anything (Kast).
Now I get accused for participating and 'distracting from a lynch'. I don't think I'm distracting from anything when we're still waiting for a claim and Mr. S is doing things that don't make sense. The only people that would want the lynch to hurry up are: Cult who want to get to night to recruit (if lynchee isn't Cult), Mafia if they know lynchee isn't mafia... both of which are anti-town.
FRIEND - do you have any particular reason to think the lynchee is a CR and that I'm distracting from it?
FRIEND - answer my other question.-
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Errr, I messed up what I was thinking.
Basically, the amount of time it took to string up MC and the # of active players doesn't make sense. Obviously Cult recruited an active/town-like player (thinking about it, it could be Nikanor as well, though one might suspect Nikanor may die).
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In fact, thinking about it some more, my gut says Nikanor would be a good Cult Recruiter. Mafia, I'd kill Nikanor tonight if you want to eliminate Cult. Because the town aren't going to lynch him and then before you know it the Cult will pwn you. Think about it, CR wants to do something DAY 1 to avoid being a target the entire game, so he fakes a cop gambit to make himself seem town. (Just an idea that came to mind, I have no idea if it's likely or not, LOL).
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Anyways, my original theory had to do with all the active players (likely cult recruits) being on MC.
However, the following players aren't on MC: ToastyToast ... Err, I think there is at least a few more, I was basing it on who was on the first 2 lynches (i.e., active players who kept up with what was going on).
Plus, I think if MC was CR someone would have done something by now to throw it off of MC and onto someone else. And being as I'm the only one who is doing anything close to that, I don't think MC is cult. And the more I thought about it, I could see a cult recruit voting their CR early on the wagon under the presumption that it wasn't going to pile up. I know I've done things like that before as scum but I got yelled at and people acted like they'd never do that as scum (during a 5-player kill the godfather game). Also, Mr. S was quick to switch off MC, so it's another possibility of CR-Recrutee partnership right there, I guess, but Mr. S wouldn't have let MC get this far and then continue to push for his lynch.
I.e., I will be shocked if MC is cult recruiter.-
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There's too many people and I forgot who was racking up the votes (I called him WLC earlier, then I called him lynchee at one point cuz I was too lazy to look up his name). All I was thinking is "this guy is going to get lynched way too easily, he is defintely not cult recruiter because barely anyone is putting up a fight or trying to pile on someone else."
When I'm in my thoughts typing them I don't care to interupt my thoughts to double-check names ... my bad. XD-
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I do not think GW has done anything CR-like and I would prefer to go after CR. If GW is mafia he can wait is my opinion.
I have been told twice before that I look like "I'm flailing", both in which I was town. It's just how my playstyle comes off because when I'm town I'm not afraid to speak all my thoughts. I don't care if I look scummy, because I know i'm being sincere and genuine with my thoughts and I know good players will be able to read my genuineness. Plus I don't think half my ideas are bad.
Tans can probably confirm I acted very similarly in Dexter and by the end of Dexter I knew exactly who the remaining mafia were (and I was one of the few who didn't want to lynch tans cuz I could tell tans wasn't scummy). This is my playstyle.-
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Why is Nikanor absolutely NOT CR?
Why is hiplop not CR?
I think Mr. S is a good lynch, you're already messed up and reveald you're either cult-related or mafia.
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CR isn't going to be someone that's lurking or being lazy. They want to fit in very much and will be doing whatever they can to scumhunt and avoid both being lynched and nightkilled. Finding who was likely cult recruit is a good starting point, because then we can examine how that person is acting towards particular people. Likely cult recrults are active and townish-like.
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I'm not taking the stance on GW because I want to say "Oh look I'm right I'm better than yall," I am taking the stance because I don't want to lynch someone who isn't CR -- when the scenario indicates he isn't the CR because his recruit isn't doing anything to help him, I am going to try to avoid his lynch.
MR. S - who do YOU think is CR?-
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