Payola Mafia - Game Over

[Vaughn]

Replace I say!

Give me a few days to get up to speed.

[Vaughn]

Alright so I'm caught up.

Are you the Doctor?

I believe so, unless Speedy's sending me the wrong PM's.

Somehow I'm still alive. Best replacement gig ever

I'm even more impressed at the huge wad of cash that Nightcow's built up.

That's all I have to say for now, game-related post coming up later, maybe.

[Vaughn]

In case anyone wants to know... Nightcow was my choice.

When I read the thread to catch up, wasn't Twomz our paranoid Cop? That's what I beleived, so I didn't think saving him would be as worthwhile as saving a confirmed mason.

I particularly don't like CES's attitude towards this game. I think town clearly has the advantage here, due to the fact that Nightcow has all of the money.

So if we slowly weed through the unconfirmed/unknowns, we'll eventually win this game.

I'm surprised I'm not dead either, but given the game-context, a doctor isn't as useful as it is in a normal set-up, and I've yet to save someone correctly, so my claim isn't confirmed yet. By leaving me alive, I'm a viable lynch-target.

[Vaughn]

Offers? What's going on? I haven't received anything from the mod, other than my night choice.

[Vaughn]

Ah, don't worry, BJ. Cogito wouldn't out his own gf that easily.

Or WOULD HE?

So with a brief re-read (again), I've linked BJ and CES together.

CES because he's been pushing for Stoofer's lynch for quite some time, and has stopped this day. BJ because his contributions to the game thus far... is questionable. Also, He Fos'ed Nightcow for putting money on CES, and then he puts money on CES himself.

Confusing to say the very least.

[Vaughn]

Detrimental? I've never said your play is detrimental. My choice of word was questionable due to the fact that most of your posts are "I agree" or short 1-liner statements.

If we assume that Nightcow, Pooky, TSS, and yourself are all good guys, then we've already won this game, because Nightcow alone can buy out every other player in this game, especially with Pooky and TSS's support.

If that's the case then, shrug, let's just get this game over with. But on the chance that, that isn't the case, I'm going to have to peg you as the most likely of the top 4 to be scum.

My case, I admit, is a weak one because I don't have much support behind it, But I beleive in playing with an open mind, so this is my 2 cents.

[Vaughn]

So you offered up a partner to be in the clear?

Just because you pushed for logic doesn't clear you in any way.

[Vaughn]

I was debating with myself over Pooky or Nightcow. In the end, I chose Nightcow, because she's the most confirmed person here.

A mass claim Fritz? How will that help us at this point?

[Vaughn]

Interesting mechanics?

Nothing out of the ordinary, if that's what you're asking. At least, nothing that Speedy's told me of.

However, I have the feeling that everyone's going to claim townie, so I don't see the point in your mass-claiming plan.

[Vaughn]

I think I missed something, is there evidence against Vis?

I think that one of BJ/tss is scum, leaning towards BJ.

[Vaughn]

Ah, now I understand Fritzler's remark.

I'm not the one offering up protection. I've been sending in Night Choices like my role states.

[Vaughn]

Interesting...

[Vaughn]

Crap, I hit the submit button instead of the preview button...

Anyways, I wanted to add that I'll be on limited activity this week.

As in, I'll most likely only check once every couple of days.

[Vaughn]

Yay! We win the game. Good Job Fritz. Well.. we win if everyone's telling the truth.

[Vaughn]

Hmm.. with Vis, that's 3? (Logic/CES/Vis), how large was the game originally?

[Vaughn]

so where did BMQ dissapear off to?

[Vaughn]

Oh man.. I'm totally off my rocker or something.. i'm mistaking the games I am...

[Vaughn]

What was BabyJ's claim?

[Vaughn]

Hold up, we're running up inhim because he's claimed watcher? Baby's claimed townie, isn't townie the safer lynch, or is there something about inhim's claim that makes it scummier than babyj's that I can't see?

[Vaughn]

Well I happen to think BJ is the better play for today...

Fritz is iffy, usually if he's town, he'd already be dead... but he did offer up Vis with a pretty good counterclaim. I'm weary, but i think he's clean.

inhim.. - the problem with his claim is, it isn't provable unless he's dead.

[b[Pay 5: BJ[/b] for the lead change.

Mod edit: Not bolded, so not counted. There has been no lead change since BabyJesus' first payment on inHim on Monday.

[Vaughn]

Because you claimed townie, and inhim has claimed watcher.

Well, on the chance that you're not lieing, lynching a townie won't hurt us as much as lynching a watcher.

But i suppose we're in a situation where either of you could be scum.

[Vaughn]

I've already stated that I've been protecting Nightcow every night.

As long as Nightcow is alive, we've got this game in the bag.

Lynching me would allow scum to kill off nightcow, and then whoever has the most money (BJ) has full control in the L-o-L situation.

[Vaughn]

I like that idea.

[Vaughn]

Hmm, Agreed, it makes sense that mafia might win when they equal the # of townies.

Anyways, I need to pay money on who and how much?

[Vaughn]

Pay: 5 BJ

Heh... just die already scum.

[Vaughn]

Okay, the mod did not state that town gets another day if it's down to two (scum + remaining townie), so by forcing the night, we could've doomed ourselves.

I was simply told that I win when scum are all lynched, so I don't know about this plan of yours, Nightcow.

It doesn't sit right with me that BJ wanted to follow your plan without even considering this possiblity.

I'm 99.9% sure that BJ is the scum, because I'm the doc and you're a mason.

Pay: 10 BJ

Your plan may work, but without mod confirmation, I'm not willing to gamble a loss on this game simply because we didn't lynch scum when we had the chance.

Mod edit: This is a lead change.

[Vaughn]

BJ, this isn't a regular game, so the mechanics differ. Scum obviously want to kill the townies with the most money, and I felt that saving Nightcow would be the best for the town. A confirmed player with the power to lynch is a powerful asset to the town.

So to get to Nightcow, they would have to go through me, and scum probably didn't want to waste a kill on me, since I barely have any money.

I honestly thought I was dead after Stoofer claimed, but to my surprise, scum decided to keep me around, and probably for this one purpose right now: I can't be confirmed.

[Vaughn]

BJ's play has been pretty aggressive early on, and he spew forth lots of garbage.

I'm 95% sure we have a backup doc

Who was our other doc? I'm the ONLY protection role in this entire game, go to the front page and look, no other docs/bodygaurds/RB's. There's no chance in hell that BJ's the doc, what does that leave us with? Common sense please.

Scum have been on me since Day 1. It started with CES.

I will always advocate lynching a claimed doc early in the game. It's generally worth the risk. I don't see an outed doc as a power role anymore. Lynching a real doc is only marginally worse than letting a scumbucket live.

Pooky wrote:

He also used all of his money to try to lynch this claimed doc.

We went over this Yesterday. It really doesn't mean anything.

As I see it, logicticus never really went after Stoofer/Vaughn, but distanced himself with such comments as he made, because he didn't want to be tied to his scum buddy. He certainly didn't go after Stoofer/Vaughn in such a way that it really says anything about his alignment, if anything I think it makes Vaughn look scummier.

And may I ask what the point is of letting people that claim doc survive if you don't even think it's strange that they survive the night TWICE? Yesterday you may have had some point, but Today, nope. It wouldn't be worth it for the mafia to let the doctor live.

And I can tell you that if I were mafia, I'd have killed him by now. Yes, it would perhaps make me look bad in that case, but it'd have made me look bad sooner or later and we'd be able to move on.

And I seriously considered just ignoring my strong suspicions of Stoofer/Vaughn, because I was afraid it would only backfire and get me lynched instead. But I don't see what's anti-town about making a stance and be willing to go against the current.

well i am not just gonna die. i dont care how this looks, but I am going to go all in because I would rather win with the town then the town just win, its much more satisfying taht way.

vote 125: vaughn

it sucks this is on a replacement, but i dont buy his claim at all.

Mod edit: This is a lead change.

Vis on the otherhand bought my claim, perhaps seeing his two scum buddies lynched for pushing for my lynch taught him a lesson.

Looking at the way scum have played this game, I could beleive that BJ masterminded this entire thing. Yes he's pushed for all of their lynches, but that's only because we found them scummy, not to mention the huge distancing advantages he would gain by doing so. He knew the cops were dead (since he killed them), so my theory is he wanted his scum buddies to get me lynched. Plan B it seems, is to gain credibility for the end game which he successfully executed.

The night protection mechanic is strange. I haven't received it, nor has Nightcow. So who could be sending it out? I'm assuming BJ, which means he's not a townie (Possibly a scum with ability). I don't recall any other player than BJ accepting it, and we can't prove that accepting it does anything but take your money away. I think by using it so late in the game it did nothing but to cause confusion.

Another thing, BJ has ne'er wasted money. His money has always been on the lynch of the day, and for all of his scum buddies. When asked to burn his money down to normal levels, he blatently chose not to do it. For an unconfirmed townie, that's very suspicious.

BJ vs TSS was interesting to watch. It seems that BJ wanted to get an easy lynch on TSS, but TSS claimed Mason. Post 592/593:

WOW. You're not very good at this, are you? Best you can come up for a reason I am suspicious is "He paid more money to get scum lynched".

lol. You've been absolutely worthless this game, and this is the best you can do now? Why don't you sit back and let those of us who have actually contributed to lynching scum do the heavy lifting...

Those are the best words that exemplify BJ's actions towards TSS.

Note that after this statement, BJ says nothing else on TSS, and their debate ends there.

The last 2 deaths seem to be of role instead of money. TSS was killed because he was your partner and Fritz because he was confirmed. I've stated that the inhim lynch did not make sense to me. I would've liked to see BJ gone last day instead of inhim, but I assume because of inhim's ability to watch, he posed a greater threat to BJ.

1) this late in game, we don;t lynch based on who has the "more powerful claim". We try and find scum.

Those are some fine words BJ, and I hope Nightcow sees that you're scum. Albeit, a scum who did very well, but a scum nevertheless.

I apologize for not bringing it up earlier, but the mod didn't respond to my PM until the night, so I couldn't bring it up. After Fritzler's comment, and the mod's reply, I thought you would've PMed the Mod and asked our win condition too, which would make you think twice about your plan.

Since the mod wouldn't clarify, I assume that like traditional Mafia, if scum are equal or greater than town, scum win.

This makes sense in this game, because scum can't will money to each other without obviously pointing out who's scum, which means that a scum amassing lots of money for endgame is literally impossible.

Still, BJ's playstyle for the entire game and his response to your plan don't add up. He's usually aggressive, but he simply nodded his head and wagged his tail at your plan, without giving any feedback. I find that THAT as his best scum tell of this entire game.

BJ's not one to get sloppy near the end, so he must of thought by following your plan he would win the game.

And another apology for paying prematurely, but we're so damn close to winning this game, and I don't want BJ to somehow get by. *Whacks his Trigger-finger, bad finger bad!*

Pay: 120 BJ

Because I don't want him to use his money to prolong his death.

If you really think I'm the scum Nightcow, then you can easily pay me out, but I will only hang my head in disappointment, because i'm the major reason why you're in the driver's seat, so please don't crash and burn before we reach the finish line

[Vaughn]

What plan are you talking about?

The no lynch plan? I thought we already went over this. Mod did not say that town gets another day if mafia =/> than townies

BJ, I honestly thought I would be dead that night, so the fact that I'm alive is bewildering . Truthfully, I've never played a doc after I've outed myself. Usually I would be dead, but I'm not and I'm playing like a townie.

BJ, what's this about me losing if we no lynch?

I've decided to put the lynch on you because my win condition is to lynch all scum.

Look, If i were scum, I would've went with the plan, because I could kill off Nightcow in the night, and then outbid you tomorrow, right? I have more money then you and I have nothing to gain at ALL by pushing for your lynch. So WHY am i pushing for your lynch?

Answer me that BJ: You know I've got you beat.

Nightcow will logon and read, and just give me a Pat on the back, because we won this game.

[Vaughn]

Never won a game? I'm glad I was there for your first =)

If you have any questions Nightcow, now's the time to bring them up.

pay: 30 BJ

Extending the deadline... yet again >.<

Mod edit: Lead change.

[Vaughn]

I have no idea who's offering the night protection. I'm beginning to think that you have some kind of ability that lets you dump money, BJ.

In that case, you faked the claim that you were offered protection to cause confusion.

[Vaughn]

I wouldn't be surprised if your scum buddies also had the same ability, which may explain the multiple offers. However, as I recall you are the only one to have accepted the offer.

Although it's true that you receiving such an offer would pretty much confirm your innocence:

With all of that in mind, I think it's highly probable that you faked such a claim, because proving that you got an offer and the results of accepting it lie completely with you.

Perhaps you didn't dump money, but you may have used a night ability that required you to pay in advance.

[Vaughn]

Nightcow, you're making a mistake.

He's using this "protection" claim to help his case in the endgame.

I've claimed doctor and I've been saving you since Day 3. I've thoroughly explained ALL of my actions and I've answered all of your questions on me.

BJ on the otherhand has been behind the lynch of all but one of the scum (CES). Can't you see that that's a little too coincidental? I'm 100% deadsure that he's the Godfather.

I've already speculated that the mafia may have special abilities in this game due to the fact that they would never be able to amass great amounts of money. So him using that 500$ for something we don't know is highly probable.

another point: If I were scum, why would I offer him protection? It doesn't make any sense. Why in the world would i want to save anyone? I didn't gain any amount of money and I surely can't ever overcome the mass amount of money that you have Nightcow.

And Look, we haven't had a doc die in this entire game, which doesn't prove that I'm the doc, but it may as well confirm me.

It just doesn't make any sense, from a STRATEGIC standpoint that I would keep you around if I were scum, and I don't know why you can't see that.

I'm upset that you've turned on me, especially due to the 180 degree change that's occured in BJ's playstyle. He's much more timid and docile right now then he ever was in this game. He's not trying to step on your toes and being complient. WHEN IS BJ complient?

You're right BJ, i'm going to pay on you, because I know you're the scum, and I want Nightcow to reconsider.

Pay: 40 BJ

[Vaughn]

Prevent doc ability... hmmmm you may have used it to kill off Fritzler, fearing I may have protected him.

Just an idea, not sure it's worth looking into.

If anything I'm the only one who hasn't received such an offer, I find that suspicious. I have no idea how this protection thing works, and neither does Nightcow. You're obviously banking on that.

[Vaughn]

I'm not making things up, i'm trying to figure out how you're manipulating Nightcow, because I know you're scum, I just wanna know how you made it look it so that I am.

[Vaughn]

Nightcow, I have apologized for my early payment. I even discussed with you the reasons behind it.

I'm glad you came to your senses.

So this is your first win? Like EVER? on Mafiascum?

[Vaughn]

Gloating? That's End-game discussion, buddy.

Just accept your loss BJ, quit being such a poor sport.

[Vaughn]

woops, hit the submit instead of preview button...

cont'd

You played a good game, and you almost got away with it. It's only common sense that I'm the doctor and that this night time protection mechanic was probably employed by scum. Also, we can't prove that you got such an offer or if it even works the way it's supposed to. Moreover, your belittling of Nightcow upsets me. He made it into endgame, so he must have some ability as a player.

You left me alive on a gamble, and it failed, get over it.

[Vaughn]

Obviously you are the mastermind behind the scum-operation.

CES was on my ass the entire game. You didn't want to waste a nightkill on me because I had no cash. Instead you targetted players with much more money, but avoided Nightcow because you knew I would protect him.

It's true that you pushed for scum, but you also pushed for EVERY scum, which is too coincedental. You offered up your scum buddies to appear as pro-town. I saw through it and I've been advocating your lynch for a few days now.

What makes even more sense, is the fact that you killed Fritzler and not me, even though I had more cash. Why? Because Fritzler was confirmed innocent, and I'm still unconfirmed. Nightcow and TSS never revealed their masonship, so I was forced to protect only Nightcow for so many nights.

Not to mention you advocated the inhim lynch. It was clear that once inhim claimed, that you weren't going to kill me for fear of being caught.

No, seriously, well played though.

[Vaughn]

I'm sure everyone's waiting for it to officially end so they can post some post-game comments

[Vaughn]

Hey Now.... You can't blame him for trusting me, I'm awesome.

Now to explain why I offered you protection BJ. I offered it to you in hopes of draining all your funds, so I could kill off Nightcow and just outbid you and Fritzler.

However, Nightcow publically announcing that he would will his money to someone completely threw me for a loop, because Fritzler was most likely the recipient since he did offer up Vis on a silver platter that day.

Honestly, Stoofer's doctor claim is the luck of the draw. Who would've thought that there would be no doctors in the game.

and Sorry BJ, I was pulling most of endgame out of my ass, drawing relationships and making up fluff. I somehow convinced Nightcow, even though everything you said was spot-on. Heheh.

At one point, I even thought I was the real doctor, and I PM'ed Speedy for my night choices Day 1/2. Speedy was like " 0.o You're not a doctor".

Thanks for the game all.

[Vaughn]

Yeah, that "95% sure of backup doc" worked in our favour, because you prevented the real doc from counter claiming me if there was one. As scum, we were trying to avoid lynching the doc, while taking out all the big money players.

It wasn't until Day 5 that we realized that there isn't another doctor, and so I was able to coast through to the endgame.

Fritz had me pegged since Day 5 or something I beleive, so he had to go, har har.