Calvin & Hobbes Mafia-Game Over!!!

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NEW RULE: Any player with a username containing more than one capitalized letter must post the first sentence of their post in pig-latin.

Also, when referring to any player that is dead you must refer to them as
"The user formerly known as" followed by their role name.



These rules are fun.

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Sorry Mathcam, but mine was meant as a joke. As you said, it was one of the FIRST rules.

But then it was followed by these wonderful ones:

My idea is that when someone makes an impossible rule, they must speak for the rest of the day in song (rhyming) form.
However, two occurances of an illegal rule will limit their posts to six a day.
Ouch; Three occurances of an illegal rule result in the person not being allowed to post all day.

Grip of Chaos:

All night choices will be reselected at random!

All those who have 3 or more vowels in their username must refer to themselves and everyone else in the third personform now on. all failure to comply will result in being sent to the Song Zone, whhere you must compose a song including at least 5 words from the previous post.

My rule: All players with a name not starting with a capital letter cannot make their posts longer then two sentences

Let's not forget Coolbot's confusing little rule...

New rule: We are now in the Rule Mirror Zone. Thus, if a rule says a certain group must do something, than that group doesn't have do it, but everybody else does.

So maybe if you're going after somebody that needlessly confused the game you should focus on Mr. Gnome it all and his Night Choice restrictions.

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Alright... So can anyone think of any rules that might help the town slightly while not being considered unfair?
Would that anti-speed lynch rule suggested earlier be considered unfair?

[God]

I'm thinking about some choices that could keep us with a kill-free night.

Wondering if "No roles with night choices are allowed to submit tonight"
is considered unfair...
but that's kinda anti-cop-ish

Need more time to think..

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However, I think it should also include some kind of time restraint so that someone doesn't just post three times going "vote unvote vote unvote vote"!

This will be horribly obvious though, it's not when a person votes for someone that is suspicious, it's who they actually vote for. Obviously, that sentence doesn't work when scum are about to be lynched and other scum jump on to look pro-town.

Still, if one player does this:

Vote xxx, unvote, vote yyy, vote zzz unvote

It is common practice for scum to "random" vote other scum at the start of the game to disassociate them from each other.
I'll add my vote to MGIA after a count shows up.

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Well, if calvinball is unofficially over thanks to modargo.. Let's start this game again as if the previous 4 pages didnt exist.

random vote tehgood

(if hes still in the game, i guess)

[God]

What?

Why do we need Hobbes to be confirmed? This is a Calvin and Hobbes Mafia game, he is obviously in the game, and there is no scenario i can see that Hobbes would possibly be anti-town...

Mom and Dad however, I could see being a small mafia group, maybe with a non-kill related win condition. (ie. find calvin and meet with his teachers or something) If they are indeed role-blockers I think that a variation of modargo's plan should be attempted.

UT targets Gnome for a kill
Gnome targets UT for a block

If Gnome was lying, well he's dead and we dont need to worry about him.
Otherwise, Gnome is a confirmed role-blocker.

Docs, however if this plan is to work, should definetly NOT target either of the two. Well, Maybe target UT, Is anybody aware whether or not a doc protection stops role-block attempts?

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Going by modargo's latest plan, let's see if i understood correctly.
Gnome blocks tripod.
tripod shoots random player.

Umm, why endanger a random player with a vig kill if Gnome is lying, this is basically allowing Gnome to be a serial killer.

If Tripod eats Gnome and Gnome successfully blocks tripod, they'll both be safe, and confirmed since neither will die.

We can also put a doc on tripod, but not Gnome because then we wouldnt know if Gnome's block worked or if it was just the doc protection.

Why put the rest of the town at more risk when we could simply allow for:

If Gnome isnt a role-blocker, as he said,

he dies.

If UT targets Gnome, how can know the difference between Gnome not dying because UT was roleblocked and Gnome not dying because a doctor who believed him protected him? Yes, there's a chance that UT will be specifically told that he was roleblocked; but there's also a chance that he won't be told, and there's no need to take that risk.

Exactly why we're telling the doctors to NOT TARGET GNOME. I think modargo is most definetly pro-town with the amount of effort he's putting into this.

From what I can see there are two possible ways my plan can go wrong:

But neither of them should ever happen.

-

Gnome is telling the truth

and gets blocked himself. This should not happen since role-blockers are almost certainly pro-town

-

Gnome is lying

, and a very stupid doctor protects him, the town then believes he is confirmed. Also should not happen since doctors are usually pro-town and not-retarded.

Anyone see any flaws?

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A few things...

the thing is that if i find out someone is an alien i will vote for them because my role tells me that they are who i should be getting rid of. so if someone is outed as an alien i will do my best to lynch them

What the hell are you doing? Revealing that you're a cop out of the blue with no pressure on you? If we had some way to coordinate our docs I would hope one of them would protect UT and the other protect our claimed alien finder. Also, now that you are outed, who did you check last night?

YOU BECOME HOBBES FOOD!

Sorry UT, didn't quite notice that but I knew you were Hobbes, Vig as soon as the above quote showed up

God: Your plan allows for the mafia to kill Gnome, a claimed mason who is probably telling the truth, without worrying about doc protection.

Exactly my point, he is a

CLAIMED

mason, he has not been confirmed.

But seriously, with God's plan, I'm dead no matter what. But, maybe, that's what he wants.

No, you're dead if you are lying, or if the mafia feel like killing you, but you are forgetting about your earlier suspiciousness and the fact that you are not yet confirmed. In my mind it's better to risk an unconfirmed suspicious mason/blocker then a town full of unknown cops and doctors. Besides, even if you die and are revealed to be innnocent, your supposed better half can take over and become a lone role-blocker without being revealed. They also then have a claimable proved innocent role.

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confirmed? Why don't you just show me where he is confirmed?
Why couldn't Calvin's Mom and Dad be scum?

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"Scum? Why don't you just show me where he is proven to be scum?"

Everyone but myself and the corpses are scum until proven innocent.

My plan keeps them both (Gnome and UT) alive if they're innocent,

Granted. But it also keeps them both alive if they aren't.

and allows Gnome to be lynched or vig-killed tomorrow if he's lying.

How do you suppose we know if he is lying? the doc protect would cancel the kill anyway, if the blockee is not told they have been blocked, then your plan is ruined. Unless you have some extra information about role-blockers in this game then I suggest we stick to my plan.

Your plan

allows Gnome to die if they're both innocent, and only

kills Gnome a night earlier if he's lying

, which is

no actual benefit when you consider that if both Mom and Dad are scum, both would need to be killed to stop them

.

Emphasis mine

How is having scum dead earlier not a benefit in any case?
...Also, would you care to tell me how your plan magically reveals Dad?

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That's a little paranoid, En Pace, I believe mordargo and Gnome. Why don't we try to focus on revealing Dad right now?

We shouldnt reveal any more possibly pro-town roles unless necessary, since the night plan will either confirm or have Gnome dead by the morning, we dont need Dad to come out.

This still does no ensure that the aliens(mafia) cannot block rather than kill.

Where have you ever seen role-blocking mafia members before? and why would they role-block if they could kill?

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Spinning sky forks always seem to ruin my fun nowadays.
Mathcam : Are you saying that Spaceman Spliff or the Calvin clone were predictable roles?

I don't know the comics THAT well, but i have never seen either of them.

[God]

Alright then, so they weren't predictable to ME
Could I get a link to the news version of C+H mafia if its not too much trouble?

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I know this was mentioned before, but i never caught a response, who are you replacing PB? If you are replacing anyone.

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BWAHAHA i knew i wasnt losing my mind, he ISNT in the game!!!

Yeh, replace tehgood.

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Umm, He thought we should target a have another dead random townie if MGIA turned out to be lying, whereas my plan would've seen the liar die.

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ehh, edited while typing, "we should target another" intead of whatever i put

[God]

There are so many ways this plan can backfire on us...

what if the mafia kills before the vig? the mafia could just kill gnome and UT would accidentally kill someone.

Who would UT accidentally kill? We have decided on UT targetting Gnome.
Besides, the mafia have better targets than a mason group.
Also, we need a doctor to protect Hobbes tonight.

As far as I see we have the night plan perfect. If Gnome is found eaten by a tiger than he was scum and we should look at those that were protecting him.

I already believe both of their claims, and I don't see why this checking is really nessicary

Yes, but wouldn't you rather have our innocents confirmed? Besides, other than having three pro-town night choices (Block, Protect, and Vigilante kill) decided upon for us, we aren't losing anything overnight, as it wouldn't be much better to have a random block and random doc protection instead.

Also, I believe it was Zoneace that had some knowledge of aliens in the game? I think that it might be a subcatagory as suggested before, as I wonder whether or not Spaceman Spliff would be considered an alien.

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That makes sense, I'll reread the thread and the original Calvinball rules to look for anyone suspicious as I have nothing to go on today.

[God]

True!
So PolarBoy, what do you think we should do next?

[God]

unvote

vote modargo

you are a vanilla Calvin Clone and are not a simple townie, you should probably come out.

I agree with most of the logic in your post, I just really don't like that sentence.

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I'm with Breakdown on this one, everything in his post is sound and he hasn't acted scummy IMO. That leaves me rather leadless though...

So I might as well....
Vote: Mathcam
He's sheep post made me laugh, therefore he is scum. (Besides the fact that he just jumped on the first bandwagon that popped up.)

[God]

ugh Bolding.

Vote: mathcam

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More or less, yes. I barely have anything to go on, and it is day one.
Also since the one I did find suspicious is to be dealt with tonight.

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AAh, sorry I voted mathcam for basically no reason and had forgotten it was him that verified the calvin clone claim.

unvote

, simple mistake.

I'm actually leaning towards God being scum.

ME? The one that brought us the plan to confirm Gnome without putting YOU in danger?

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Sorry for the long post, but i had to, UT threw so much garbage out that i feel I must provide a defence for my

CLEARLY PRO-TOWN PLAN

1. I go for Gnome, Gnome blocks my action, we both get doc protection, mafia goes for either of us. No one dies.

You mean if the docs ruin the plan entirely?

2. I go for Gnome, Gnome blocks my action, I don't get doc protection, mafia goes for me, vig dies.

Did you forget where I put this:

We can also put a doc on tripod, but not Gnome because then we wouldnt know if Gnome's block worked or if it was just the doc protection

3. I go for Gnome, Gnome blocks my action, he doesn't get doc protection, mafia goes for Gnome, he dies.

...and it says he was killed by the mafia, thus proving his roleblock ability and confirming Dad. Losing a mason, but it could be better than a random mafia target.

4. I go for Gnome, Gnome blocks my action, docs protect us, mafia goes for someone else. Anonymous Townie dies.

No comment, this is the giving both of you doc protection, which ruins the plan and is stupid.

5. I go for Gnome, Gnome blocks my action, mafia blocks Gnome's action, I kill him. Valuble role-blocker dies.

I'd LOVE for you to show me a role blocking mafia group. That's what I thought.

6. I go for Gnome, Gnome blocks my action, no docs protect either Gnome or myself, mafia blocks Gnomes action and goes for me. Both of us die.

MAFIA BLOCKS??? WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS FROM??? Besides, THE DOCS HAVE BEEN TOLD TO PROTECT YOU.

Yes, I am assuming that the mafia can roleblock. I feel that this is likely.

Would you like to tell anyone where this is coming from? I have never seen it before, ever. Never.

And of course, this:

I was thinking about this, and what is probably going to happen (since God is scum) is that Gnome blocks my action, mafia kills Gnome because God didn't want to give him doc protection.

Let me say it one more time. If we give him doc protection his ability is NOT CONFIRMED. Good idea though, having a plan that in effect, at optimal results,

DOES NOTHING

.

I'm beginning to think God is scum, because he random voted for cam, who is likely to be a vanilla calvin clone

The game had stagnated, so i picked at random the person that looked like they had jumped on the bandwagon, that happened to be Cam. Without realizing he was the one that confirmed the Calvin Clone vanilla townie idea, i voted for him. And then i Unvoted once I realized it!

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So losing a random townie is somehow worse than a roleblocking mason?

An unconfired role-blocking mason.

And here you say that losing a townie is BETTER than losing a vig or a roleblocker.

No, here I say that if a doc protects Gnome, the plan is useless, since blocking an already protected against kill does nothing. It wouldn't confirm him at all.

True, but a cop could always check him tonight instead of wasting my nightkill and Gnome's roleblock.

Wasting your nightkill? You are a vigilante (or so you say), is it not agreed that vigilantes should only focus on those that are suspicious for kills, and should rarely actually kill. It will be Night 2 and you are just waiting to throw out kills. You want a cop to come out? So, let me get this straight, a doc protecting you, a doc protecting Gnome, and a doc protecting some cop? How many doctors do you plan on having in this game?

Well, since you don't mind a confirmed townie being confirmed as not having doc protection, why should I believe that you are a townie.

HE IS NOT CONFIRMED YET! IF YOU GIVE HIM DOC PROTECTION HE WILL NOT BE CONFIRMED

. I bolded it just so you could read it a few times over.

I would like an explanation of where your Mafia Role Blocker theory is coming from.

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So you agree with the plan (proposed by me) but think that I am scum?
How much sense does that make?

[God]

If my posts seem out-of-character, it is because they were written out of frustration.
I didn't respond well to UT's constant barrage of

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING?!

And certainly was not pleased about:

HE IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM, LYNCH THE BASTARD!

Also,

it just strikes me that before you were about 50/50 on the plan, and now explosively/suddenly (I'm not sure, you could have been feeling this earlier already) against it, not to mention that your recent posts makes it look like you believe gnome to be a confirmed townie (I think he probably is, but I'm not 100% sure).

I noticed that too, looking back at the original discussion of the plan you were in agreement, now, all of a sudden your mind has changed.

I have never played in or heard of a game in which there was a mafia roleblocker.
Therefore,
It is utterly absurd to believe that there is a mafia roleblocker in this game, stupid UT.

I was not definetively stating "There is no mafia roleblockers and never will be". I was simply frustrated by the fact that Tripod keeps suggesting it as if he has other information at hand. He seems sure there are mafia roleblockers but provides no evidence to back it up, other than his simple:

I feel that this is likely.

For the record, If I wasn't so sure that Hobbes must be in the game, and the vigilante role fits, and since nobody else has spoken, that Tripod is Hobbes, and is pro-town, I would be voting for him. I believe he is pro-town, and nevertheless I'd have to agree with cam, that I wouldn't care if he was turning up daisies on day 2.

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God = mafia scum

Where are you getting this from? I propose a plan to confirm a suspicious player overnight, you assume an improbable role to be in the game, thus ruining the plan, therefore I must have this role? Correct me if I'm wrong UT, but is this not the logic you are following:

This plan works well in regular situations.

There is a role that is very improbable, but could ruin the plan if in the game.

Therefore the proposer of the plan must have this role.

Or could it just be that, you don't like me?

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I think Coolbot's just trying to deal with UT's idiotic comments.

I was too caught up in the fact that he's a mason and that God is mafia.

THE FACT? So why am I mafia UT? Stop being so retarded, throwing accusations around as "facts", and confirming people YOU believe to be innocent.

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For the last time UT,

I AM NOT MAFIA

. So stop stating it as if it were fact. I think you're town, but since you're probably the most annoying pro-town ever, I would really like to see you lynched.

But I'm not going to vote for you, because as I said, I believe you are pro-town, and we kinda wanna keep our townies alive.

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Okay, in response to Scalebane's monster of a post.

I simply can't see how someone who doesn't recognize that the teachers are aliens and that the whole point of this game is to try to get rid of them could possibly claim to be pro-town. sorry

I have played in games where though not explicitly stated, seperate anti-town groups have been present. (Blind FF3-Two of the main characters in the game turned out to be a seperate non-kill related mafia) So I don't follow strictly what I read anymore and am open to many other possibilities. Also, if the whole point of the game is to rid the town of the teachers, then why would there be a seperate non-alien Serial Killer.

If UT were to die tonight, then Gnome would be unconfirmed and probably lynched as it would look like he had killed UT somehow. That would only be good for the mafia. Although, for some reason, I don't think God reasoned that out and simply wanted the doc to waste his protection.

At first I was unsure whether a doc protect also protects against role-blockers, as noted in my post. Though, you are right, I should have stated that the doc flip a coin as whether or not to protect UT, rather than flat out letting the mafia know where the protect is going.

The first is the bit where he implies that by putting effort into a game you are pro-town.

I was merely stating that mafia usually try not to be as open during the games as Modargo was being, as we all know, posting alot means making alot of mistakes, mistakes that could get you lynched. So scum usually try to stay under the radar, this is why I feel modargo is pro-town.

First off, he overreacts and misreads ZONEACE's post. I also think it funny that he overreacts so much to zoneace's declaring that we are hunting aliens. Good job, God, you win the legolas prize.

You're right, I misread his post. I read it and I thought it meant that he had extra information involving the finding of aliens (ie. Cop) and was appauled at how he had announced it. What is the Legolas prize anyway?

And to summarize, It is not that if UT was a better known player I would've been lynched by now (hell he even has more posts than me) , it is that he is posting useless sarcastic comments and throwing baseless accusations.

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(OT)Nah I haven't seen RotK yet, i should've when it was in theatres. Damn (/OT)

Anyway, I'm split on this, as UT still hasn't answered my question. why did he realize this just now, and used mafia roleblockers in his initial argument? And also, why hint on cops the entire way, even before posting he was against the plan, with the flaws?

I was confused about this too, you suddenly come to the conclusion that there are mafia role-blockers, Is there something you aren't sharing with us UT? Extra-information perhaps, because if you want the town to ever be able to coordinate night choice plans, you better let us know if you know there are anti-town roleblockers out there, or if it's just a hunch.

[God]

Zoneace, If we truly believe Gnome and Modargo are allied, perhaps we should wait until we are sure they are scum before we act against Modargo.

Unvote Whoever

For now, I think to get the game moving again I'll

vote Spoon

He hasn't posted in here since the 12th.
And

FOS Breakdown

, who hasn't posted here since the 15th.

[God]

Hmm, it does seem like Spoon isn't just lurking, he has actually dissappeared (was replaced in a newbie game).

Breakdown however has no excuse afaik.

unvote Spoon

[God]

That post should've had a

vote Breakdown

in it, but i forgot it. He is posting in General Mish Mash, but hasn't posted here for almost two weeks.

[God]

~Bump~

[God]

Well, he did seem scummy to me, then it was brought to my attention that he is the calvin clone. I don't know how CoolBot made the same mistake, especially after reading mine...

[God]

Well why not weed out lurkers?
Since there is no spoon to pick on...

Unvote, Vote: Shelper

for not posting in here since the 22nd.

[God]

I am writing an angry letter to my ISP as we speak

Well then...

Unvote...

Any ideas...? I'll look a bit for more lurkers... since I have nothing else to go on right now.

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We haven't seen many good posts by Polarboy in a few pages, and to a lesser extent Werebear. No vote yet, I'll look over their full game posts later.

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I don't know what to do, I'm not really one to advocate no lynching but, with no leads...

If the game doesnt pick up soon with some real information I'll be putting my vote for it too.

[God]

FNAR?

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Hmm, If we don't endanger the "probable townie" then we'll never know if hes an "actual townie" or not. I don't exactly know what bigben is thinking here, but an

OMGUS vote bigben

seems in order.

[God]

So who's replacing Spoon?

[God]

You should finish reading the thread before a post like that, it has been addressed, with nearly those exact same points, by Scalebane, and my response came soon afterwards. No I have not been cleared, but I can assure you I am pro-town, and revealing my role will only add to the monster that is this Day 1.

[God]

Okay, since this seems to be the main argument against me, let me outline what is supposed to happen tonight.

Untrod Tripod (Hobbes) targets Mr.Gnome_It_All (Mom) for a Vigilante Kill
Mr. Gnome_It_All (Mom) targets Untrod Tripod for a Role Block.
Doctors protect Untrod Tripod. (Flip a coin, it doesn't matter really, scum probably won't attempt a kill anyway)
Doctors

do not

protect Mr. Gnome It all.

-If MGIA is alive at daybreak, then he is a confirmed innnocent.
-If MGIA is dead at daybreak, killed by a tiger, then we know of another scum group.
-If MGIA is dead at daybreak, killed by scum, then we know he is innocent, and his mason buddy is now a confirmed innocent.

There you go ben, read it, then read it again, THEN read the thread, then read the thread again. Then present something that hasn't already been said.

As for now though, I'll

unvote

, and

Vote Werebear

, just a hunch (No, this isn't like a MeMe type of hunch.)

[God]

UT is psychic, the rest of you are bastards.
GO SCUM!!!

[God]

~mutters from the grave~
Bah
~end mutters~