This game is depressing me. The further I fall behind, the harder it is to catch up again.
Yesterday I was feeling like crap, but today I should have loads of time for this game. Right now, my problem is that I'm still playing more by gut feel and general impressions, rather than going into the nitty-gritty of people's posts and catching onto individual inconsistencies. I'm also either leaning town or ambivalent on most of the players in this game. First off, I'll explain my problems with SpyreX. Then I'll examine a few more ISOs and discuss my reads on other players in the game. Maybe I'll change my vote, depending on what I find, because SX's posts have improved somewhat since my vote, and DGB implies that he's given off a towntell in the QT.
DrippingGoofball: Do you ONLY think that SpyreX and Andrius are town because they both agreed to your hypothetical "Yeah, I'd sacrifice myself if you asked me to claim a role"? Because the "right" answer to appease you should be obvious; even on the off-chance that you asked them to fakeclaim, they'd be in no danger of a nightkill were they scum. Or is their overall behaviour in the QT very townish? (I'm asking because those were the closest things I had to scum reads; I agreed with Feysal's comment that their play had felt more like their scum play so far. If you have a reason to clear them from the suspect pool, I'd like to hear it.)
hitogoroshi: What in particular have you
liked
about SpyreX's play? (That said, I hadn't realized SpyreX had RL reasons for a decrease in activity.) Also, do you see a difference between Andrius's big rambling catch-up posts in [REDACTED] as scum and here?
Andrius: So if apparently, your only issue with SpyreX is that he was lurking...um, why exactly do you trust me? If you're looking at pure activity levels alone, I'm about ten times worse than SpyreX. You don't see anything wrong with his individual posts, other than that there haven't been many of them? But you still think he's scum?
Jack: You still haven't answered my question about the set-up. How many scum do you think there are?
SpyreX wrote:Not for voting me. But for voting me without even pretending to justify (Hint: that vote is the first time my name is even mentioned). Of course, the fact that she'd be rereading and 'posting' and saw this new and awesome glut of hand-wringing SpyreX is scum guyssssss and wanted to spark the love well.
Dude, I didn't mention
anyone's
name before then. (In fact, did you even post twice between my first and second posts of the game?) If anything, that's why you should be suspecting me.
Are you really using the "voting without reasons is scummy" argument (particularly since I don't think you've once given a reason for suspecting Me = Weird, despite repeating that he's scum over and over again)? I thought I'd made it obvious in my vote-and-run that there were reasons behind my vote. (But unfortunately, Fishythefish is the only one who can corroborate that I posted a partially completed case on SpyreX in the QT--although I started second-guessing it--so you'd have to take his word for it.) Moving a vote from a townish-looking player to a suspect is more constructive than not posting anything at all. And yes, I'd have obviously been happy if that vote had sparked a bandwagon on you, because I suspected you and it might draw more of a reaction from you.
(Actually, maybe I should admit that part of why I did it was just for the comic relief value of me posting a succinct opinion for the first time in my Mafia career. But there were
also
protown motivations behind it, I swear!)
(That said, I can scratch the fact that after DEFCON 2.0, Town-SpyreX would be all over me for promising to post later and not delivering off my list of reasons to suspect SX.)
My problem with SX isn't the lurking per se (I don't think it's fair to call SpyreX a lurker this game). Fishy made a comment in the QT about how SpyreX was usually more "proactive" than this as town. I remember thinking it came a bit out of the blue, since it was in response to a post that had nothing to do with SpyreX, but I agreed with his assessment. It felt as though he didn't say anything very insightful, and his posts were filler-ish.
But he's also tripping a bell that I've seen from Scum-SpyreX before--stating things that shouldn't be obvious with blanket confidence, like "Oh, Nobody Special is the scum god. No doubt in my mind, let's pop a bullet into him. Jack is totally town, you betcha." It's subtle and hard to explain--Town SX is confident, too--but I guess it's that he doesn't show the reasoning behind his confidence. Also, other people have mentioned it, but I didn't really like the whole dancing between, "Yeah, I'm super-confident that Jack is OBVIOUSLY town" and yet repeatedly hammering that he has to die anyway. Just a few examples on what I mean:
Maybe its the simple fact that its tantamount to suicide with little gain.
Of course, its happened before but when you combine that with NS's 'play'. Which is a key point, I'm saying town.
I also am fully aware he's getting lynched in the next day or two.
Of course...there's no back and forth there.
Jack is town. Futher, lying as town (the town gambit part) makes no sense when he upped the stakes. Thus, STILL AND ALWAYS, I am against lynching him.
As this progresses, however, its obvious this needs to be dealt with one way or the other because *gasp* this is going to be the major talking point every day.
Out of the usual suspects I'd say Andrius, Zang, tmh in that order. Realistically, Jack either needs to absolutely become off the table or die and tmh's colors will shine through without issue.
Actually, something that almost psyched me out of voting SpyreX is that, on the surface, he does say multiple times that we shouldn't lynch Jack, so I'm not sure how fair it is to accuse him of softly supporting Jack's wagon. Also, he got the upper hand in his back-and-forth with Nobody Special. But I still felt as though something was off about his stance on Jack. It's just how he keeps on coming back to the fact that we need to check Jack one way or the other (without suggesting a plan as to why), when virtually everyone in this game has moved on from Jack by now. I think this quote bugged me the most:
Jack's upping the stakes makes no sense as a town gambit -
he's either telling the straight truth or scum
. Considering what we've seen from Fish and DGB, I'm thinkin its the former but I'll give it a real go in a bit
I thought it should be very obvious that Jack's claim was a gambit (IIRC, Jack has close to admitted this as well), and I don't like that SX keeps stubbornly trying to make this a Jack vs. Nobody Special dichotomy.
Also, I find it strange that although he argues that we should test Jack, he hasn't put a vote on themanhimself (even though he believes that Jack is telling the truth about NS revealing his scumbuddy to him). He keeps on saying, "Yeah, Jack is either telling the truth or scum...but he's DEFINITELY telling the truth, although it's such a pity that he's going to be lynched soo, so sad, etc.," without putting his money where his mouth is.
And yes, it often is a warning sign when multiple people have a scum read on someone, but not one person votes him.
And for someone who goes on and on about "even with a 1/3 chance that so and so is the scum god" he dismisses the use of getting reads on one of the gods pretty quick. And all that from someone who was puffing about arguments and reason earlier.
. In all honesty, since I'm also a very cautious, verbose player, I know how it feels to second-guess yourself as town and literally have no idea who to vote, so I'm probably too inclined to give Feysal the benefit of the doubt because I don't know how much of this is his playstyle. Whether I vote Feysal will depend on my thoughts on Corvuus and DRK.