Well, yes.1. LONG deadline. I INSIST ON THIS. Long deadlines favor TOWN.
Maybe its the simple fact that its tantamount to suicide with little gain.Considering that Jack increased the stakes by naming Nobody Special and themanhimself as scum buddies, what made you say he might be telling the "straight truth"? It doesn't look like it to me.
Of course...there's no back and forth there.Farside wrote:SpyreX - I really can't say I'm a fan of spyreX back and forth about Jack. First Jack is town, then
Jack's upping the stakes makes no sense as a town gambit, then he is against lynching Jack. He placed one vote for Me=Weird and just responds with more fluff then scum hunting.
If the idea is 'testing jack' lynching against (i.e. tmh since King Lord Scum Brazil, MD can't be lynched) makes far more sense.SpyreX: What do you mean by post 214?
Every bit of the tone. Especially the "SPYREX IS NUMBER TWO DEATH LURKER OHH SNAPP".Jack claims Nobody Special claimed scum, an allegation Nobody Special denies. Nobody Special states that the only communication that went between him and Jack at this point was Nobody Special's request for a claim and Jack's 2-3 word response. Why did you think Nobody Special was lying?
Me=Weird is/was floundering scum. Like I said.@Spyrex, Andrius: who is scum?
Voting for farside, quoting nobody special, talking about Jack, inquiring about LLD, GIVING TOWN READS ON Equinox and Feysal, even vouching for tajo.Dude, I didn't mention anyone's name before then.(In fact, did you even post twice between my first and second posts of the game?) If anything, that's why you should be suspecting me.
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Are you really using the "voting without reasons is scummy" argument (particularly since I don't think you've once given a reason for suspecting Me = Weird, despite repeating that he's scum over and over again)? I thought I'd made it obvious in my vote-and-run that there were reasons behind my vote. (But unfortunately, Fishythefish is the only one who can corroborate that I posted a partially completed case on SpyreX in the QT--although I started second-guessing it--so you'd have to take his word for it.) Moving a vote from a townish-looking player to a suspect is more constructive than not posting anything at all. And yes, I'd have obviously been happy if that vote had sparked a bandwagon on you, because I suspected you and it might draw more of a reaction from you.Swing and a miss.Actually, something that almost psyched me out of voting SpyreX is that, on the surface, he does say multiple times that we shouldn't lynch Jack, so I'm not sure how fair it is to accuse him of softly supporting Jack's wagon. Also, he got the upper hand in his back-and-forth with Nobody Special. But I still felt as though something was off about his stance on Jack.It's just how he keeps on coming back to the fact that we need to check Jack one way or the other(without suggesting a plan as to why), when virtually everyone in this game has moved on from Jack by now. I think this quote bugged me the most:
No. You could have in fact USED WORDS to fuel the vote. Or DONE THINGS before voting.Oh, come on. Of course I didn't literally not mention a single name all game. It was a facetious reference to what a filthy lurker I've been. But there was a grain of truth to that comment; unless you count my RVS vote for farside22, my first two posts didn't contain a single scum read or concrete suspicion, and I explicitly said that I had no clue what was going on...and my God, I'm actually having an argument about whether I'm scummy because my contributions HAVEN'T been crappy so far. But anyway, no matter whom I'd voted for, it would have been someone I'd never mentioned before (unless I decided to backtrack on one of my town reads). Because I didn't mention that anyone was scummy!
Again, what reasons?I can't speak for others' reasons for distrusting you, but this is ridiculous. You can just as easily find arguments for why it's scummy to vote a popular bandwagon, or why it's scummy to vote someone whom everyone thinks is town. Now that I've given my reasons, you can evaluate whether you think they make more sense for town than scum, but other people also finding you suspicious is irrelevant.
(That said, to be honest, those familiar with your play disliking it probably gave me more confidence in my read, because it meant I wasn't taking crazy pills.)
Initially its gut on the classic numbers paranoia TM when LLD started statistics (its an easy thing to attack AND if it stumbles on the right path its normally bad juice).I can think of a reason for why MWR's first two posts would merit a vote, but he certainly hadn't started "floundering" at that point. Humour me (unless you don't want to help me write my blurb on Me = Weird).
This argument will defeat itself. As it sits, we'll see who is right about this particular dance when the time comes.Maybe it's just that you missed Jack has admitted it was a gambit...but actually, yes. Everyone has moved away from it. No, seriously. Has one person said, "Hey, we should lynch Jack soon!" in the past few pages?
Maybe it's just that you missed Jack has claimed it was a gambit...but actually, everyone has moved away from him. No, really. Has anyone even suggested a Jack lynch within the last fifteen pages? Anyway, I should admit that it was partly just a gut feeling that your stance on Jack didn't feel natural--as if you were trying to milk town cred for being the first to declare he was town, but still keep on reminding people that we should.
Thats a real hard and altering piece to ignore. In a vacuum? Not impressed. Slightly scummy. However, not a vacuum so.Just out of curiosity, what's your read on Fishythefish? I mean, ignoring Nobody Special's behaviour, of course.
Because I still want to go this way. That knot, even as it was, will untie itself. Knocking out another leg has merit.If you genuinely believed that Jack was telling the truth, why didn't you vote themanhimself?
Before I get all rage mode I'll go ahead and clarify that you are saying my reasons for m=r and mina are ?.
Because, well, time saving and all that.
Welp, this can be dealt with tomorrow then. Farside is now way up on that murderin' list.I don't get what your putting down here. What's the question?
The hell is this?DGB:
I didn't say DGB-town can't catch Tajo-scum. I said Tajo-town catches DGB-scum. It isn't mutually exclusive. Nor does it take anything into account in terms of DGB/Tajo both being scum. If you think Tajo is scum, then go ahead. I don't care on that issue nor do I care to prove an assertion that I believe DGB-tajo both mutually believe and they were the only audience I actually cared about for that.
And, good lord why not wagon up equinox finish off the "attempt to lynch the most town players" achievement!
I thought I was clear on the Feysal DRK Corvuus bit.SpyreX: I'd still like an answer on Feysal vs. DRK vs. Corvuus. Because your vote really did not ring true to me. I mean, I get wanting to get things started, but considering your comments about the other two viable wagons in your ISOs were vague and confusing, I'd like a clearer picture of your hierarchy of suspicions. I still have no clue what you were talking about when you said one of tmh and Jack had to be scum, but you didn't want to vote for either.
This two of the three (because that "iso" is woooosh) are the most hand held timid business ever.SpyreX
His low presence gives me doubts about him, and I found his early stance on Jack odd. SpyreX should know better than most that Jack does gambits as scum as well, and that makes me wonder about his stance that Jack would be town and especially that he would be telling the straight truth about NS.
Corvuus
I have no experience with his play at all, but I was getting a clear scummy feeling from reading his posts. I've not done an ISO of him yet though, that could give me a clearer picture.
Sigh...SPYREX. Mina was right. When you're not ovtown you're not town. Simple as that.
