In the Court of the Gods (Game Over)

[Nobody Special]

Jack, you do not wish to anger your God.

Trust me on this one.

[Nobody Special]

And for the record, DGB is divine. None can stand next to the Goddess or Rewards and not prostrate themselves at her feet.

Of

course

she's divine, dummy, she's Immortal.

The question is, is she

Good

or

Bad

?

It's Jack and Nobody Special, after all.

.....?

[Nobody Special]

I confirm that I sent one (or more) PMs asking after abilities. I acknowledge that even though I'm Immortal, that may have been a tad aggressive. And potentially a mistake.

[Nobody Special]

You mind bolding and coloring your text, NS?
Thanks.

Immortals do not take requests from mere Priests.

[Nobody Special]

You mind bolding and coloring your text, NS?
Thanks.

Immortals do not take requests from mere Priests.

Cut the BEHOLD MY AWESOME POWER routine, please.

You were randomly assigned a role

that is unlynchable and has some other powers. You're not alignment confirmed, and if you are town, you don't have any scumhunting tools we don't have. Agree with Andrius, or don't; either way, you'll have to explain your reasoning instead of appealing to your randomly assigned pretend authority.

In The Court of The Gods Game Specific Rules

Immortal Gods

5. Though the gods will not be selected randomly, their alignment will be.

I am one of The Chosen.

[Nobody Special]

So, questions.
1. Short deadline or long deadline?
2. Double-vote or immunity?
3. Do you agree that questions look better when there are three of them?

1) Long deadline.
2) Double-vote.
3) Yes.

@LLD: Being Immortal ain't easy, you know.

[Nobody Special]

I acknowledge that even though I'm Immortal, that may have been a tad aggressive.

And potentially a mistake.

What do you mean by the bolded statement?

Well, you've seen the backlash of my actions as well as I have. Perhaps, in my power-drunkenness, I came on a

tiny

bit too strong.

I confirm that I sent one (or more) PMs asking after abilities. I acknowledge that even though I'm Immortal, that may have been a tad aggressive. And potentially a mistake.

Why is it a mistake? Because it makes you look scummy? Because you risk harming the town? But furthermore, you're skirting over something important.

Even if you feel like being coy about your alignment, is Jack joking, yes or no? Did he send you a PM claiming to be scum? Did you claim to be the scum god in reply? Why don't you paraphrase the exchange between yourself instead of brushing it off as a joke?

Do you think that Jack is more or less likely to be town for his stunt?

Jack, bless his heart, is flat-out

lying.

I did send him the PM in question; he replied with two (very short) words. That is the extent of our communication thus far. I certainly did not claim scumGod.

I think Jack's actions are quite far from something Town would do.

NO. My towndar is near-infallible

as everyone knows

,

I shall revisit this at a later point. I have a bit of research to do.

[Nobody Special]

@farside: I'm not voting Jack because I, too, have experience with his gambits. I hardly ever agree with them, and he pisses me off the way he plays, but his lying does not automagically mean he's scum. He is quite anti-town, though.

[Nobody Special]

Zang and SpyreX, at least.

[Nobody Special]

SpyreX because he stated the Jack gambit "doesn't bother" him. Also, lurking.

Zang because he's lurking. And ignoring me. I've asked him something, and he's not replied, and due to the nature of what I asked, I think he's trying to come up with a good cover story. Did I mention lurking?

[Nobody Special]

@farside: Yes. Jack appears scummy, no matter his alignment, when he pulls these shitty stunts. Truthfully, it's anti-town at best, and scummy at worst. I'm surprised he survives as long as he generally does.

[Nobody Special]

SpyreX because he stated the Jack gambit "doesn't bother" him.

It doesn't bother you at all that others are saying the same thing, too?

I gather that Jack's gambit bothers you, but you can't say that he's scum for doing it, either, so why are you bothered by SpyreX?

Sorry -- I saw this, and meant to answer but obv forgot to.

SpyreX is also lurking more than anyone except Zang. Plus, SpyreX thinks I'm lying.

[Nobody Special]

Jack said nothing to me about a gambit. His sole communication to me consisted of a (likely fake) roleclaim. Three words (yes, I misremembered it as two. I left out an indefinite article).

If I wasn't Immortal, I'd be voting jack. As it is, he's hardly worth it. At the moment.

I'd rather do this:

VOTE: Zang

C'mon, Zang. Come out of hiding.

[Nobody Special]

Simple. He's stirring the pot and throwing suspicion on me. If I were lynchable, I'd OMGUS. Since I can't die, he's not worth the vote.

[Nobody Special]

It was a choice between the two of you. He's lurking more than you are.

Would you rather I vote you? I can, you know.

[Nobody Special]

I do not have a firm opinion on Jack at this time. As I've stated, his "gambits" are a nulltell as to his alignment. He does this as Town, he also does this as Mafia, he does this as third-party. He does this no matter his alignment. All I know for certain is that he is lying. Which, in his unique case, is a nulltell.

@hito: Essentially, yes. Fight fire with fire, I always say.

[Nobody Special]

Yes.

[Nobody Special]

I still suspect Zang; my vote will serve better over here, though.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: TMH

Also on my radar are SpyreX and now Andrius.

[Nobody Special]

K, Feysal is town.

Are you going to keep randomly declaring people scum or town without any reason? Because that's pretty much all that you've been doing for the past page and it's adding no content.

I see you've not played much with DGB. Or have you and you're trying to send a message to your scumGod?

Zang because he's lurking. And ignoring me. I've asked him something, and he's not replied, and due to the nature of what I asked, I think he's trying to come up with a good cover story. Did I mention lurking?

Lurking isn't scummy. How am I supposed to reply to your question if I haven't even read the game?

You'll note that to answer part of my question, you didn't even need to read

this game.

Thanks for ignoring me, scum.

SpyreX is also lurking more than anyone except Zang. Plus, SpyreX thinks I'm lying.

What about benmage or Populartajo/brokenscrapes?

They aren't lurking at the same level you are. Besides, they aren't presenting as totally scummy, like you are, either.

TMH's insistence on lynching Jack is distur.....wait...did he just...OMG HE DID. HE ACCUSED JACK OF BEING A JESTER.. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? VOTE: THEMANHIMSELF

I don't think he insisted on it, he just suggested.

Equinox dealt with this. Stop trying to downplay your scumpal's actions.

hitogoroshi - I'm not sure why finding the scum god is a priority when we can't lynch or kill the God. Every town player worth their salt should be cautions of their God. The goal is to lynch or get the mortal scum.

Yes but it would be very nice to know who the scum god is, then we would have two confirmed unkillable town gods.

I'll just put this out there -- how, exactly, are we going to confirm the alignment of ANY God, since the Gods don't flip?

@Equinox: You say that you feel TMH is scum, yet my voting him makes me scummy. I'm sorry, but I can't wrap my head around this reasoning. Please elaborate? Lack of sleep or no, you're acting contrary to the Town!Equi that I know and love, and so for the moment, you're on my scumlist.

@Fishy: Does LLL = Lady Lambdadelta? (Post 299)

[Nobody Special]

PROD Andrius, please.

I am super busy today with almost no access to speak of. Expect Walls O'Text tomorrow, though.

[Nobody Special]

I've just had two entirely separate things come up today, which are going to require a huge chunk of time. I most likely won't be able to post to my games until Wednesday morning.

Sorry about this.

[Nobody Special]

I am more-or-less caught up through page 24. Page 25 will have to wait till tonight. (I also have a list of players I need to iso and make determinations for.)

Hito is probtown.

@farside: I haven't made QTs; I'm using PMs. And of those followers who aren't ignoring me (you know who you are), I'm having pretty good conversation.

@Mina: If DGB is scum, will you still murder me? (Either way, I guess I'll be murdered. I'm not scum.)

[Nobody Special]

Okay, so, even being Immortal has downsides. I caved to the very public pressure and, yes, my Followers all have QTs now.

[Nobody Special]

Because scum usually place themselves on their own list, town tends not to.

[Nobody Special]

I've been busy reading and coming to conclusions and also busy with my New QTs in discussions with my Loyal Followers.

Some reads:

DRK is scum.
Andrius is oblivious. And frustrating (to me).
Jack, as much as I hate to say it, is most likely Town.
farside is scum.

[Nobody Special]

Not yet. We're still working on it....

[Nobody Special]

@Nobody Special:

Where did your farside-scum read come from?

Up until I mentioned my scumread on her, she was flipflopping all over with reads that (to me) made no sense. She has since settled down; I'm changing that to neutral for the moment.

@Corvuus: My vote is still on your playerslot because I haven't seen a reason to move it yet. Convince me.

@Equinox: I've been playing messenger for one of my Followers. It's coming; you'll (hopefully) like the results of this thing.

[Nobody Special]

I am uncertain about DRK at this moment.

Also, I have very little experience playing with TMH, so nothing useful there.

Andrius, why are you so confident that DGB is town?

[Nobody Special]

Of course I'm reading. I wanted a concise summary.

[Nobody Special]

(To the ladies and gentlemen in the audience, I submit that "very little" is relative as well as subjective.)

@DGB: I had nothing to do with it. I'm only an Immortal Messenger. Additionally, I don't believe I have the power to 'approve' anything of the sort.

[Nobody Special]

DGB: Yes, the message that DRK posted came through me.

[Nobody Special]

Why?

[Nobody Special]

I sent your messages exactly as you originally put them in the QT. It's not my fault you edited your posts there and didn't tell me.

No, I have not claimed scum.

[Nobody Special]

DTM, please explain to me how it would've helped for me to change all these messages back and forth when you deleted one and I had already sent it -- there's no taking it back at that point; so I left it as it was. And our "already discussing this" was limited to you saying to me "what the hell dude."

I will not take the fall for your shortsightedness and impulsivity in this stupid asinine gambit.

[Nobody Special]

Actually I take that back. I just realize I overlapped Percy and Benmage .. I'm going to take a break and sleep on this. I believe more accurate Meta will be Battle Mage and Tarot Cards.

You can't even keep your players straight and yet you're founding a complex gambit on who was in which game. Sad, really; I feel you've essentially wasted our time for the last few days.

Having read and digested things, I am ready to

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Feysal

[Nobody Special]

I would like some of whatever Mina has been smoking.

[Nobody Special]

The reason I've been quiet in the QTs is that I've been busy. (Also, the DTM gambit/clusterfuck

really

pissed me off.) I need to catch up here; with two and a half days, I am sure I'll be fine. For now:

UNVOTE:

I promise a vote prior to deadline.

[Nobody Special]

Mod can the priests talk with their gods at night?

. If so I'll be still analyzing via QT and pass those on to NS at night. I suggest all players do the same thing and talk with their gods.

One thing that occurred to me... your gambit may have been sunk, but are you going to share your actual hide target in some fashion? Perhaps with NS, or some member of your priesthood? The town would still need to know who it was if you happened to hit scum and died as a result.

I do believe that DTM gave me his actual target. Or maybe two. He edited the damned QT so I'm not sure what his actual intentions really are. I'll have to clarify.

And this is in no way related to the above, I'm just ready to vote.

VOTE: Feysal

[Nobody Special]

NS if you're done being pissed off, and since the only update is you think I'm scum then like I said in the QT has I flood your e-mail please answer my question: Do you have critiques to my cases/arguments?

Considering that you never once brought it up when I asked you to passed the messages and just passed the messages for me puts your stance to be poor. I take responsibility for what happened, but if you were always of thought that it was a failure then you should have attacked me during the claiming I did in QT. Jack and DRK both did. LL even said that she didn't trust me via you.

But you were the only one who expressed the popular idea only in the aftermath. So yeah, I gave my reasonings to why I chose the 3 reads: DRK, Benmage, nopointinacting up (Hito counts as 4 but as a town read rather then a scum/neutral read). I look forward to your case good sir.

Now on to the comments.

I do not (yet) have any critiques to your cases/arguments, only a critique to your method, which I've already stated.

Why would I comment on your gambit in the middle of it? If I refused to pass along your sooper seekrit messages, what would that have said about me? I take the stance that, as an Immortal, I'm in more of an overseer type of role in this game, in addition to being a player. I didn't feel that it was my right to squash your activity no matter my opinion of it.

Hello scum! The fact that you have to mention the below totally gives you away.

Please note: as LLD pointed out that since roleblocks supersede misc.1 actions (e.g. probably Hide) that Nopoint isn't clear sadly :<.

Hey. SpyreX didn't know who he was crumbing to. But he crumbed to NS, hoping that Jack had crumbed that NS is scum. Maybe that's why he tried so hard to connect to NS. You can see it. But NS is totally oblivious, to his credit.

Well, I'll have to go back and reread SpyreX to find this desperate Quest for Connection.

WAIT GUIZ

If SpyreX didn't know his buddies, that means DTMaster is 100% scum.

For the challenged among us (that would be me), can you explain this connection?

[Nobody Special]

Also, yes, due to the snowstorm, I was without internet for almost two days. I know I have to respond to LLD's flip (have to find all the pre-QT PMs) but if there are other questions for me that I missed, feel free to pester me. I'm all caught up now.

[Nobody Special]

Experience the magic!

I know I have to respond to LLD's flip (have to find all the pre-QT PMs)

Why would you have to hunt through your

pre

-QuickTopic PMs?

I don't understand your confusion. I talked with my Priests prior to making QTs, and that was in PMs. My PM inbox is almost full (approaching 900), so there's some searching involved.

[Nobody Special]

NS did LL hint anything about having a role to you?

Looking back through our communication, yes; she used words such as 'certain' and hinted at gathering evidence. Not sure what to do with this now that I know it, but.

Also, my priests are not talking to me again. If I were to ask for fruit, would that help?

I've been following along with the thread, but I feel there might have been a question or two aimed at me that may have slipped through the cracks. If you still need my input, go ahead and ask me again now. I have had some things going on but will be more active from this point.

[Nobody Special]

hito, you'd be surprised (I think) to find that my Town meta is almost exactly the same as my scum meta. I am a very low activity player, relative to what is 'normal' for this site. As for Equinox, she knows better. Outside of Newbie games, my meta is very hard to read. In Newbie games, I'm very active no matter my alignment. ('Very' in regard, relatively, to a nonNewbie game.)

[Nobody Special]

I have no intention of saving Jack from the hammer. I am also waiting for him to claim. I hope he shows up.

[Nobody Special]

HOLY CRAP. NS WHY DID YOU JUST LIE IN THREAD? I POSTED A BUNCH OF STUFF AND READS IN QT AND YOU'RE NOT RESPONDING TO ME?

Please show me precisely where I lied?

[Nobody Special]

For the record, I have not yet communicated with AGM.

[Nobody Special]

I got prodded yesterday. Work very busy. Promise content late, late tonight.

[Nobody Special]

My reads at this moment:

Andrius -- scum, no matter who he gives fruit to.
populartajo -- neutral. Must read more.
hitogoroshi -- Town
nopointinactingup -- More input would be so nice. Not that it matters, though.
Equinox -- sometimes I think she's scum, and sometimes I think she's town. She's probably town.
farside22 -- absolute scum
Feysal -- probably scum
Lost Butterfly -- neutralish town
Corvuus -- likely scum
Benmage -- town? More reading.
AlmasterGM -- I keep waffling. I'm leaning town.
DTMaster -- excruciatingly irritating, maddening, infuriating, but prob town

That said:

VOTE: nopointinactingup

This is the lynch for today.

I am, for the moment, caught up, and shall be actively participating from this point forward. Truth is, I got overwhelmed and there's that cycle of not wanting to post without being caught up, and not posting on current things because of not being caught up on past things and -- that cycle stops here. Also, DGB is scum. Scum hiding in a flurry of activity. Therefore, that leaves Fishy as the other Town God.

[Nobody Special]

farside just barely jumped onto the DRK wagon right before the lynch. Lucky timing, yes, but still.

A lot of vote-hopping Day 2. I know this game is confusing, but she's voted for five different players just toDay. Not to mention all the vote-hopping Day One.

All in all, she's trying very hard to look town, and that bothers me.

[Nobody Special]

Town should just 'be' town. Trying to 'appear' to be town is scummy. And I feel her timing on the lynchwagon yesterday was too fortuitous, and her vote-hopping today feels engineered.

[Nobody Special]

Convince me to move my vote. I don't think you realistically can. As much as I loathed Jack's gambit, I just can't see scum doing that.

[Nobody Special]

So we're back to that. I still haven't seen how SpyreX allegedly tried to contact me.

[Nobody Special]

LOOK AT THE FLAVOR, LOOK AT THE SPYREX FLIP, YOU TELL ME.

Where is it? Have I gone blind?

I'm not at all smart about these things, but I think the terms "traitor" and "corrupt" are somehow linked. But what do I know.

[Nobody Special]

Sorry, my haste and idiocy are showing. They were both Corrupt.

I think Corvuus is the lynch for today. I'll just vote.

VOTE: Corvuus

[Nobody Special]

DGB I think you're looking at wrong VC's.

Look when Feysal hit L-1. It was NS who unvotes (surprise surprise)

Then Farside goes solo on hito.

You aren't the first to bring this up, but I should explain: I left the Feysal wagon because, in order to freeze votes, I cannot be on the wagon that I'm going to freeze. At that point, I was having doubts about Feysal. So, I unvoted.

[Nobody Special]

i have a small brian.

[Nobody Special]

DTm: My initial problem with you DTm was that revealing strategy/mentioning it is 'stupid' and that there was no town reason to reveal your role and your targets and then not change them when I said you should. Specifically claiming hider, posting the role, targets... intentionally 'screwing' up a gambit to pull off an even larger gambit... well, nice. I have some problems with you but this doesn't seem a likely course of action for scum, even planned days ahead and reveal now. DTm-town.

Pretend I'm new to the game of Mafia. Then explain how this makes any sense at all. Can't scum and town be equally devious and plotting? Wouldn't scum, by definition, have more incentive to be devious, scheming and plotting than town would?

NS: Can you paraphrase your conversation with Jack? I was hoping AGM would, so I'll ask you.

Paraphrase:
NS: Do you have any powers we can exploit, Jack?
Jack: I PROTECT PEOPLE!!!!!!!
<silence>

That's it. Then he did the whole in-thread thing trying to make me out to be scum.

[Nobody Special]

Nobody Special, why are you voting Corvuus? Your top suspect yesterday was farside22.

It's rooted in the whole TMH thing from the first Day.

UNVOTE:

I'd much rather do this:

VOTE: DTMaster

All this 'Bus Driver this' and 'Bus Driver that' talk is just ... I don't know. He needs to die.

And, DGB, a day and a half is hardly "vanishiing."

[Nobody Special]

Catching up. I was still reading through the Night when Day opened. Comments in less than 20 hours.

[Nobody Special]

Notwithstanding any arguments for or against Benmage's alignment, I would find it really surprising (statistically speaking) if all my followers were Town.

[Nobody Special]

MOMMY MOMMY I WANT A BREAK

Oh, Nacho.

If we lynch hito today, it will give poor Nacho some more time to

contrive a believable fakeclaim

catch up.

I'd like to hear some more from Nacho before we lynch hito, but I'm willing to lynch hito first.

[Nobody Special]

Okay, I admit I'm a bit more dense about how Mafia really works than most people. But are you seriously asking us to let you win?

[Nobody Special]

I have to say, this was one of my worst games, and I really have little excuse. I did have a couple of Reality Upheavals, but the sheer size of the game just threw me. And DTM's thing, well, let's just not go there.

Sorry, everyone.