In the Court of the Gods (Game Over)

[populartajo]

confirm

[populartajo]

lol

the first post was from my work where quicktopic hasnt saved my login name.

the second post was from my house were quicktopic has saved my login name, which is anonscum.

when i made that question (wait, you can be scum, right?) i was still reading the setup, i assumed wrongly you were town and we were even about to start interchanging ideas about how to play the game.

thats it basically.

[populartajo]

And you know, it wouldn't make sense to have a tajo login at work, and an AnonSCUM login at home.

I don't believe it.

I'd love to believe it, because the last thing I want is to thin out my own mason group. But I don't.

why wouldnt it make sense? my home has all my passwords and login names saved while at work i have to introduce again all this information.

this qt stuff has happened tons of times, people forget to log off and send a message with the saved log in, pretty sure this way is one of the top ways of catching alts in this forum.

in other news, im currently in page 1, will read all game by tonight, tia.

[populartajo]

im actually in this game

post in 2.5 hours, peruvian time

[populartajo]

jack lolgambit in page 1 doesnt make sense, "5. Scum have day chat through a QT.

DRK is scum for the LOL with no further input after the gambit though AND his excuse after Andrius called him scum. (normal town reaction would have been to ask why). Post 16.

Andrius is town. As Lambadelta.

Me=weird is town VI.

DRK is so freaking obvscum for voting Me=weird for a stupid reason /trying to look active and scumhunter.

dont like hito, too much IIoA/avoiding random wagon.

mmmm, Im thinking Mina town for now (quesstions in post 93).

wtf is farside's 102? its the most scummy omgus ive seen in a while.

ok, jack is town, page 5 is full of jacktown, i also agree that dgb catching the gambit is more likely to make her the scum god.

themnahimself can be scum (he could be obnoxious townie truly suspecting jack). need to evaluate.

equinox is town for being the only one thinking in jack gambit.

spyrex is scum for lurking.

im getting a "plum-long-posts-mean-she-is-scum" vibe from feysal

Zang is being stupid but gut tells me he is town

[populartajo]

and now for fullhy caught up

town

andrius
crymeariver
equinox (who should get the BP)
Mina
themanhimself
Jack
LadyLambadelta

neutral

hito
zang (yeah i said gut tells me he is town but ive realized that i shouldnt do this with empking type of players)
benmage

scum

farside
DRK
Spyrex
Feysal

VOTE: DRK.

Im pretty sure on this, lets lynch him.

in regard to gods, NS is being stupid but feels townish, Fishy is kinda neutral, DGB would be my pick for scumgod.

[populartajo]

ive also realized that themanhimself is consistent town thinking Jack was genuinely scum so to the town list he went.

[populartajo]

These are the posts the clearly give DRK away as the scumbag he is:

lol, NS has already revealed himself as the evil god.
After some chat I claimed to be scum and he straight up revealed himself.

^ LOL

no further input, no analysis, just a nervous LOL.

lol, NS has already revealed himself as the evil god.
After some chat I claimed to be scum and he straight up revealed himself.

^ LOL

Scum #2 caught.
This is pretty easy.

Nah, I just find it funny. I've been busy prostrating myself via PM and talking about whether or not I trust NS and then Jack comes in and is just like "durr, he claimed scum."

excusing himself from an accusation in page 1, nervous overreaction to a RVS attack.

We might as well add his strategical posting, voting people for no reason at all, oh and voting easy target Zang as the cherry on the top.

Jack is town with the lolgmabitchain, themanhimself is consistent town attacking someone he genuinely believes is scum, Zang is an idiot but neutral. DRK is the play.

Confirm Vote: DRK.

[populartajo]

Consistent town? You're kidding me right? Since when is consistently tunneling a player a town move? At best it's null. I see no benefit in a town player focusing on one player only. It limits their effectiveness and makes all their other reads biased. No town motivation in doing that.

if you truly think someone is scum, then i dont see a problem in devoting all your energy to prove that person is scum. ive done it before.

[populartajo]

stop fighting, you guys are both town, you need to vote DRK, NAO.

[populartajo]

@DRK: Andrius said you were scum in page 1. You excused yourself instead of asking why or ignoring it. Thats the scumtell.

[populartajo]

Vote: Lady Lamdadelta
Nobody cares about statistics. Nobody likes scum. You used statistics. You are scum.

Scum number 1 found. It's combinatorics, not statistics.

Vote: Me=Weird

think about it, after all that had been said, this was the best vote you could come up with?

[populartajo]

TMH, you've done both. There is no contradiction.

Try again though.

See, you tunnelled jack when he was an easy lynch. And now that he's not, you're looking for a way out.

You've done both.

whats the point of this?

town tunnel when they suspect someone, when they dont suspect someone, they dont tunnel.... at least this is a nulltell, why do you keep on fighting on this when Ive cleary said stp fighting?

[populartajo]

TMH, you've done both. There is no contradiction.

Try again though.

See, you tunnelled jack when he was an easy lynch. And now that he's not, you're looking for a way out.

You've done both.

I have never, ever looked for a way out. Thats what you need to be addressing, when I've ever come close to unvoting jack. I once said I would change my vote for you if it seemed logical and that I wasn't even sure I would do that. You're misrepping me so hard I can't believe it's unintentional.

stop fighting, unvote jack now and vote drk.

[populartajo]

@DRK: Andrius said you were scum in page 1. You excused yourself instead of asking why or ignoring it. Thats the scumtell.
Call me Tajo.

You can keep saying this, but it would be nice if you actually explained it.

Why

do you consider the townie reaction to be asking or ignoring? For bonus points, compare it to my reaction to your accusation here. The mindsets are pretty close together..

When someone accuses you of being scum on page 1, the reaction Id expect is either ask why, (because its illogical to call someone scum in page 1) or to ignore it (basically for the same reason).

The scum reaction is to overreact to the attack, and thats exactly what you did. You excused yourself from what seemed to be an illogical RVS attack in page 1. (overdefensive scumtell).

Bonus points: Im attacking you in page 18, people defending from attacks are null. Andrius RVS attacked you in page 1, people defending from RVS attacks are scum.

[

think about it, after all that had been said, this was the best vote you could come up with?

You know what's funny about this? Me=Weird's reason for voting LL looks very much to me like a random reason, yet you're accusing me of being scummy for casting a random vote in the next post. I dun get it.

Me=Weird post was his first post of the game, Im pretty sure he hadnt even read all the game before doing that. Instead you had some posts before your "random" vote and you had already done some analysis regarding the jack-NS scumfuck. I dont understand why you felt the need to random vote again.

[populartajo]

scum

farside
DRK
Spyrex
Feysal

VOTE: DRK.

Im pretty sure on this, lets lynch him.

in regard to gods, NS is being stupid but feels townish, Fishy is kinda neutral, DGB would be my pick for scumgod.

Farside scum???

Going after DRK?????

And I'm getting a increasing SpyreX town vibe, and Feysal has got to be neutral at best.

NS is townish? I bet Fishy is your scumgod, that's why you have him at neutral. And I'm scum over what ought to be a town tell?

DIE

VOTE: populartajo

Explain CLEARLY why farside is town, why DRK is town and why Spyrex is town. Ill give you Feysal neutral so that you dont take that long to answer this.

[populartajo]

Jack, you are scum, or you are dense. Pick one. Which is it?

Jack is OBVTOWN dont even go there, answer my questions plz pretty lady

[populartajo]

wtf is farside's 102? its the most scummy omgus ive seen in a while.

How is it the scummiest OMGUS? Explain what part of it looked scummy to you in more and vibrate terms.

It was the fact that you hadnt said a word about Jack and then when he attacked you, you came up with reasons that could have been given in your serious post of the game.

Besides this ^ What makes me scum in your view?

basically that and the fact that you seem to attack everyone without trying to look who could be town

Why is Feysal on your scum list?

too many words to say something

Why is Andrius and CMAR town in your view? CMAR replaced Me=Weird which is an obv reckless town read. Andrius RVS was very relaxed but if he is avoiding the game then he is def losing town status.

[populartajo]

Tajo, I suspect you are bus'ing DRK.

its going to be a pain in the ass if you are the scum god, dgb, please be as town as possible and think a little if you are town.

[populartajo]

wait a second

Just responding to something quickly-like.

Where did you get the idea this would happen?

The 4 VT thing for 1 BP RoleCop came from Lord of the Rings Mafia. They lynched the Mordor Mafia's Bulletproof RoleCop D1, but lost 3 VTs and a Jailkeeper that night (forgot the JK the first time). So it was a tradeoff.

I was just insisting that losing ONE townie to confirm two Gods as town and one as scum is DEFINITELY worth the tradeoff.

Hell, I'd volunteer to get lynched if that was guaranteed.

Why is Andrius assuming Jack is town here?

[populartajo]

Explain CLEARLY why farside is town

I can read farside like a book.

why DRK is townp

You're both scum.

and why Spyrex is town.

We share a QT.

====================

Also. May I remind you that

we

share a QT where you are rather non-participating at all, except to say that you "suspect me?" No one else in the mason group is as cagey as you are.

So I think you're scum. And the fact that I'm willing to go after someone in my own mason group should tell you a thing or two about how fired up I am about this.

And I recall Convict's Revenge where I pegged you as scum from the get go, and you were. I can read you like a book, just like farside.

except i was really obvscum in that game with the lurking and the lack of attacks, you should know better about my town and my scum meta.

be sincere, if you were me and had a scum read in your god, would you go that QT and talk freely with him/her? EVen if you didnt have a red on him/her, would you go and plan how to play the game?

also wtf is wrong with people talking in the QTs and not in the game? Spyrex, wtf?

oh lawd, now im bussing DRK, vote him then.

[populartajo]

dgb, wtf are you doing in the qt?

[populartajo]

I don't see where it assume that Jack is town. Read carefully, scumbag.

why is andrius town again?

[populartajo]

except i was really obvscum in that game

Were you so obv? I don't remember anybody else reading you like I did. And it's WIFOM, but it's not meta I'm looking at.

i was about to be hammered a couple of times. seriously if you are town compare my two playstyles and think.

be sincere, if you were me and had a scum read in your god, would you go that QT and talk freely with him/her? EVen if you didnt have a red on him/her, would you go and plan how to play the game?

That's a complete cop out, scum. Your second post in the QT is "wait you can be scum, y/n?" - and then you clam up.

answer the question. Would you go on and blindly trust someone that can be scum?

[populartajo]

I'm not.
I'm saying that a townie would accept the trade-off. Jack didn't accept it, and is scum.
If I could confirm two players with my death, I'd do a [/b]Suicide: Andrius

right now.

fair nuff
but of course someone who is obviously gambitting would not acept the trade off. this IS NOT a 1-1 and that someone HAS to be lying as you think. Think for a second, what is the town motivation for doing what Jack did if we think you are right, getting in a trade off with someone that cant be lynched??? of course people would lynch Jack at the minute, which is why Jack is not doing what you think and is OBV gambitting.

]YOU JUST CALLED ME TOWN TWICE YESTERPAGE.
THE FAIL...

you are far from being a scum read but you sure fail at reading comprehension. In that post I was asking DGB why she thought you were town not because I think you are scum but because I want to understand his reasoning to get to that conclsuion.

[populartajo]

answer the question. Would you go on and blindly trust someone that can be scum?

I'm not going to get into a meta argument with you.

But who is asking for blind trust? Not me. However, there is a difference between being carefully guarded, and cagey.

You're cagey.

ok lets see, let me paraphrase our qt so far:


DGB: YEYYYYYYYY, tajo, this is going to be fun.
TAJO (who didnt know gods could be scum): yes, ill love serving you, any ideas how to play this?
DGB: i do, do you?
ANONSCUM (after reading the rules): wait, you can be scum y/n?
DGB: Im not but I think you are becuase you log failed!!!
i get busy and two days later
DGB (im assuming a general message): hi guys, I'm searching for a VT volunteer to be sacrficed for a PR to live . You dont need to answer, only if you will acept the sacrifice.
TAJO: WTF is this blatant rolefishing???
DGB: I was testing you and YOU FAIL. DIEIDIDEIDEIDIEDIEDI.
TAJO: before I point out this blatant rolefishing in the game thread, and in a last attempt to prove you are town, tell me what the *+%$ were you trying to achieve with this?
DGB: The correct answer was: "I wont claim but if I were vanilla I'd be delighted to sacrifice myself to preserve a power role." Everyone else said that, you fail at scumhunting in the QT and you have replaced someone suspicious. Sorry.

LOL WTF?

[populartajo]

Hey cool. 2 non-voters.
CMAR.
VOTE WITH US.
VOTE WITH OLYMPUS.

but you sure fail at reading comprehension.

this may be true.

its not about ns not being able to die. its about confirmage and scumbags not wanting to die.

p.s. so i herd u dun liek dying, tajo.

i refuted both of your arguments, please explain why are you voting for me.

[populartajo]

Another thing about tajo.
The fact that we share a QT gives him a conduit to try to figure out my alignment. He hasn't even tried.

Ive called you the most likely scum god posts ago, how isnt that trying to figure out your alignment????

On the other hand, the fact that I'm scumhunting in my own followers and posting "DIE SCUM DIE" to one of them is a painfully town tell, why a seasoned player like tajo would fail to see that doesn't bode well for him being town.

this is a nulltell and everyone who has a brain already knows this.

srsly are you just attacking me and speaking no sense just because I am the only one with the balls to call you scum?

[populartajo]

[quote="Andrius"]tajo...
WHY YOU OUTING OUR TRADE SECRETS BRO?
WHY YOU TELLING ALL THEM PEOPLE ABOUT OUR SECRET AFFAIRS?
[quote]
these things should NOT be secret specially when you suspect your god can be the scum god.
BUTTTT i like how youve cleared dgb from the go, it speaks well of your scum status or more likely your stupidity.

[quote="Andrius"]Of course if a townie is VT they'd sacrifice themselves for a PR.
Only scum wouldn't.
Logic 101 time.[quote]
when did I say that if I were a VT I wouldnt sacrifice myself for a PR?

what i was saying is that DGB doing this in the QTs is blatant rolefishing as some distracted townies would go ahead and say yes, I would sacrifice myself, telling her that they are indeed Vanilla townies and not PRs. That was the BLATANT ROLEFISHING.

do you at least know to read?

[populartajo]

oh dear mod please delete last post

tajo...
WHY YOU OUTING OUR TRADE SECRETS BRO?
WHY YOU TELLING ALL THEM PEOPLE ABOUT OUR SECRET AFFAIRS?

these things should NOT be secret specially when you suspect your god can be the scum god.
BUTTTT i like how youve cleared dgb from the go, it speaks well of your scum status or more likely your stupidity.

Of course if a townie is VT they'd sacrifice themselves for a PR.
Only scum wouldn't.
Logic 101 time.

when did I say that if I were a VT I wouldnt sacrifice myself for a PR?

what i was saying is that DGB doing this in the QTs is blatant rolefishing as some distracted townies would go ahead and say yes, I would sacrifice myself, telling her that they are indeed Vanilla townies and not PRs. That was the BLATANT ROLEFISHING.

do you at least know to read??

[populartajo]

you know what is the towntell? that I AM at least considering an scenario where YOU could be town.

You in the other hand are not giving me any chance and are just attacking me with every little toy you can find.

[populartajo]

when did I say that if I were a VT I wouldnt sacrifice myself for a PR?

You didn't say that. That's where you failed. No roles were uncovered in the exercise. If it was so "blatant" why do you even suppose anyone would have fallen for it?

it was blatant to me, its a shame some people dont have the brains to realize that and assume you are town in day 1 with no flips / almost zero wagons / etc. hint hint: Andrius.

you see, the problem is that i dont understand what did you want to do with that question? test people? ok, lets assume you are town for a second, what valid answers do you think town could hae given? scum?

[populartajo]

im pretty sure NOT EVERYONE answered the way you posted. Im pretty sure at least one idiot claimed from the go that he was VT and that he would sacrifice himself for a PR.

[populartajo]

ok lets assume there was an idiot, would this be some kind of rolefishing even if that wasnt your attention?

be as honest as possible.

[populartajo]

ok lets assume there was an idiot, would this be some kind of rolefishing even if that wasnt your attention?

be as honest as possible.

[populartajo]

I expected scum to completely avoid the prospect of

sacrificing

themselves.

Like you did.

"WTF rolefishing much?" and hang up the telephone.
You did not want to consider sacrificing yourself for the good of the TOWN

seriously what is going on with you?

those things are two different things:

in one side, there is this (intentional or not intentional) attempt at rolefishing that Im mad at.

In the other side, there is you attacking me of not wanting to sacrifice me instead of a PR when I NEVER SAID SUCH THING.

SERIOSULY, is like asking a group of people ARE YOU SCUM? Do you seriously think someone like me would say YES?

[populartajo]

ok lets assume there was an idiot, would this be some kind of rolefishing even if that wasnt your attention?

be as honest as possible.

Well if some idiot blurted out his role, I would totally have them chalked up as townie. And I'd give them the BP if need be. And I'd give them tips to avoid the NK. And it wouldn't matter you see, because I'm a town god.

But this player would have to be a TOTAL idiot, not just half-way. And such an idiot probably can't play mafia, he can only drool on keyboards.

so you admit that an IDIOT would have given out his role as a vanilla townie making you (assuming you are town) an unintentional rolefisher.

thank you.

[populartajo]

let me summarize these last pages of how things went so people with zero reading comprehension dont get the wrong idea:

1. DGB asked in the QTs : "would you sacrifice yourself as a VT for a PR?" According to her this was a test and the right answer would be : ""I wont claim but if I were vanilla I'd be delighted to sacrifice myself to preserve a power role."

2. Tajo realized this could be a potential attempt to rolefish for VTs as some idiotic people could go on and claim VT that could sacrifice for PRs. He attacks DGB for this.

3. DGB: "There are no idiotic people that could make a mistake like that so your argument FAILS. Also you refused to sacrifice yourself as a VT for a PR. DIESCUMDIE"

4. Tajo: =S

5. People with zero reading comprehension or scumbags : OMG, TAJO IS SO SCUM!!

DGB, please correct this summary if its wrong. I really dont think s.

[populartajo]

someone explain to me (specially these new voters) what is my scum motivation to get in a dog fight with someone who a)is influential as hell and b)cant even get lynched.

[populartajo]

Alpha Town Madness: hitogoroshi, Equinox

do you usually put yourself on your town lists?

DGB: Wait, so CMAR also thought you were rolefishing? I dont get what you are confirming.

[populartajo]

this isnt a freaking masonry are you blind? we dont have confirmations, we havent even lynched someone, we dont even have a decent wagon

god

[populartajo]

i dont want to go to qt, why do we have to keep things secret? i can evaluate your alignment in this place as well.

lets try this exercise:

lets assume you are the town god:

DGB asks to all her followers: hey would you do this for me?

Follower 1 says: yeah DGB, I love you!!
Follower 2 says: mmmkay.
Follower 3 says: hey why are you asking this? you can also be scum.

Be as honest as possible, who is the most likely scum in this scenario?

[populartajo]

someone explain to me (specially these new voters) what is my scum motivation to get in a dog fight with someone who a)is influential as hell and b)cant even get lynched.

It makes plenty of sense if your god is Fishy. You get to defend scummy-as-all-hell NS for some brownies with him (and lets not forget which god he is), conveniently brush off Fishy as null, and go in guns blazing for DGB. Then, because she's so obvtown, when pressed you can give us all the WIFOM gambit of, "what is my scum motivation to get in a dog fight with someone who a)is influential as hell and b)cant even get lynched."

serious question now, what are the odds of this happening (and probably getting lynched in the process) and what are the odds of me being town fighting for what I truly believe?

[populartajo]

answer the question

[populartajo]

you are refusing to see my point

town
Andrius
CryMeARiver
Equinox
Mina
themanhimself
Jack
Lady Lambdadelta


neutral (lynch when scum list is done)
Zang
farside22
Feysal
Benmage

scum
hitogoroshi
SpyreX
DeathRowKitty

Vote: DRK.

lynch me if you want, im done with this.

[populartajo]

I vote stupid town on Tajo.

look at this scumbag trying to buddy up with me

despite im attacking him he think im stupid town, this is not a town reaction, fyi.

[populartajo]

tajo:

1. DGB asked in the QTs : "would you sacrifice yourself as a VT for a PR?" According to her this was a test and the right answer would be : ""I wont claim but if I were vanilla I'd be delighted to sacrifice myself to preserve a power role.

"
If everyone says I would sacrifice myself for a PR how is it rolefishing? She didn't ask for a PR and no one stated they claimed a PR so your point is.....???

it is rolefishing in the sense that people would unintentionally state they are vanillas, therefore they are not PRs, therefore scum would increase their likeliness of hitting PRs by avoiding vanilla shots.

[populartajo]

regarding QTs: I think they are extremely useful if you have town reads on your gods. I think they are pretty useless if you think your god is scum and your god thinks you are scum.

people thinking somehow QTs have scumhunting magic on them seriously think about it, Im of the idea that as much information town has in THIS game thread, its better for taking better decisions in the long run. Yeah, you can be the top scumhunter you think you are and try to catch your god in your QT but seriously, if you die or if you get in a 1-1 NO-U with your god in day 4, then what practical purpose does the QTs have?

[populartajo]

I vote stupid town on Tajo.

look at this scumbag trying to buddy up with me

despite im attacking him he think im stupid town, this is not a town reaction, fyi.

reposting this because this is top of the page

Confirm Vote: DRK.

[populartajo]

or I could be one of the few townie with balls to express opinions:

NS is obviously stupid but is he scum? a scum god would go from the go and ask people for their powers? or would he be more calculating and charming as DGB to gain adepts? Thats where a lot of people fail at scumhnting: they evaluate the action BUT NOT THE MOTIVATION.

FF is obv neutral, Id like anyone in this thread to say otherwise. You can make up millions of sensational theories but you lack solid reasoning.

BTW, that conclusion from Jack is quite logical. Id like you to explain why its not logical.

[populartajo]

tajo:

1. DGB asked in the QTs : "would you sacrifice yourself as a VT for a PR?" According to her this was a test and the right answer would be : ""I wont claim but if I were vanilla I'd be delighted to sacrifice myself to preserve a power role.

"
If everyone says I would sacrifice myself for a PR how is it rolefishing? She didn't ask for a PR and no one stated they claimed a PR so your point is.....???

it is rolefishing in the sense that people would unintentionally state they are vanillas, therefore they are not PRs, therefore scum would increase their likeliness of hitting PRs by avoiding vanilla shots.

I noticed you completely ignored my second question which even you know puts a bit dent in your point.

what question are you talking about? sorry if ive missed it, there are too many things directed at me.

[populartajo]

you mean this one?

If everyone says yes then DGB (if scum) thinks everyone in here squad is VT, this hurts the town how?

if DGBscum knows all her group is VT, then when her scumteam decides the kill, then they would increase their likeliness of hitting PRs, since they would be avoiding the VTs in the DGB neighborhood.

[populartajo]

someone distracted, someone who trusts DGB ignoring she could be scum, etc, its possible someone could go on and uninteionally claim VT.

even more, to a seasoned player like DGB, the way you answer, the words you use, the tone, etc should be enough to find out if you are VT or not.

THATS what is bothering me about DGB.

[populartajo]

lets assume this possible scenario:

DGB: hey would you sacrifice as a VT to help a PR?
DISTRACTED FOLLOWER 1: mmm, if I were a VT, I would.

That kind of answer indicates to me that FOLLOWER 1 is not a VT.

DGB: hey would you sacrifice as a VT to help a PR?
"I TRUST DGB" FOLLOWER 2: yes, I will sacrifice myself for a PR if you wish my goddess.

I dont care if these scnearios actually happened, the possibilities of it happening are not low and THATS what Im fighting against now.

[populartajo]

Day 1 Vote Count

Andrius ( 3 ) farside22, Jack,

Fishythefish,

populartajo ( 3 )

DrippingGoofball,

Andrius, hitogoroshi,
hitogoroshi ( 0 )
CryMeARiver ( 1 ) SpyreX,
SpyreX ( 1 ) Mina,
Equinox ( 0 )
farside22 ( 0 )
Feysal ( 1 ) CryMeARiver
Mina ( 0 )
themanhimself ( 2 ) Lady Lambdadelta,

Nobody Special,

Benmage ( 0 )
DeathRowKitty ( 1 ) populartajo,
Jack ( 2 ) themanhimself, Zang,
Lady Lambdadelta ( 0 )
Zang ( 2 ) Equinox, DeathRowKitty,
Not Voting ( 2 ) Feysal, Benmage,
Total Votes ( 18 )

Deadline: February 14th at 23:00 EDT
With 18 able to vote, 10 needed to lynch.

this votecount is interesting, it shows that we fail at wagons, hell even Id be good with a wagon on me so we can catch lazy scumbags

but more importantly is that Feysal is indeed scum. Seriously go and iso her. (hint: Number of posts = 9, number of words= ap. 3000, number of votes = 0)

in other news, Spy, I might be missing it but can you tell me why MS=Weird is scum?

[populartajo]

Benmage - I offered to claim because that is how I play; I like to gamble a bit where I can control things, and crumbing is what I do.
I don't crumb when I'm afraid to claim, so I offered.

But do you have any idea if you'd be claiming to the scum god or not?

finally someone with a brain

[populartajo]

hey hito you forgot to add a pic and a RESPONSE to this post, tia

someone explain to me (specially these new voters) what is my scum motivation to get in a dog fight with someone who a)is influential as hell and b)cant even get lynched.

It makes plenty of sense if your god is Fishy. You get to defend scummy-as-all-hell NS for some brownies with him (and lets not forget which god he is), conveniently brush off Fishy as null, and go in guns blazing for DGB. Then, because she's so obvtown, when pressed you can give us all the WIFOM gambit of, "what is my scum motivation to get in a dog fight with someone who a)is influential as hell and b)cant even get lynched."

serious question now, what are the odds of this happening (and probably getting lynched in the process) and what are the odds of me being town fighting for what I truly believe?

[populartajo]

oh yeah, i should think you are town because you tell me you are town, thats excellent logic, my friend, maybe I should analyse the nulltells you are trying to paint as nulltells?

problem is that I DO have a brain and that Ill need AT LEAST a couple of flips and AT LEAST some decent wagons before having solid reads.

[populartajo]

DGB: lets do this NO U fight in the QT and stop filling the thread with nonsense that its only increasing the noise/information ratio, agree?

[populartajo]

Id like everyone's thoughs of Feysal lots of words but lack of voting.

[populartajo]

Feysal, can you link me to some games where youve shown this exact cautious behavior?

[populartajo]

why isnt DRK even a wagon?

DRK, who is scum? in your next post, go.

also please provide the logic you use to come to the conclusion that Im town.

tia.

[populartajo]

For one, Andrius said they had close to a hundred posts in their QuickTopic, and I find it hard to believe DGB could keep fooling him that long without slipping up.

you know what is the problem with this post? Why is Feysal clearing Andrius as TOWN??

Everyone, thoughts of this right now.

DGB just doesn't seem like the type of player who could pull off such a charade to me.

You're attacking DGB based on a single point, and there is quite enough evidence of her being town.

DGBtown should realize how these scumbags are trying to buddy up with her.

I admit I have no strong suspects at the moment.

fail

I admit that my scumread of SpyreX is diminishing, though I feel a bit better about my vote after reading Mina's #567.

talk about wishywashyness.

seriously, Feysal is obvscum.

[populartajo]

srry farside, im actually trying to answer everything that its directed to me:

@tajo: Why do you keep acting like only your way is possible and nothing anyone else says seems reasonable?

im an stubborn player by nature, I dont trust anyone. Currently Im trying to have a conversation with DGB in the QT (and failing because everythin I say its a scumtell for DGB.)

Why am I the only one thinking that question (Would you sacrifice yourself as a VT for a PR?) is weird as hell? Does anybody think someone would say no? If DGB is town, scum would go and say yes without even thinking about it. What is the scumhunting motivation for that question? That is what is bothering me and IMO is that it has an (intentional or not, thats debattable) rolefishin there.

[populartajo]

tell me where we are in disagreement, DGB, I dont think Im that far from the truth.

town

Andrius
CryMeARiver
Equinox
Mina
themanhimself
Jack
Lady Lambdadelta

neutral (lynch when scum list is done)

Zang
farside22

Feysal

Benmage

scum

Feysal NEW
hitogoroshi
SpyreX
DeathRowKitty

[populartajo]

DIE SCUM

gpogogo tunnelivision (if town)
gogogoo damn we need to kill this fucker (if scum)

[populartajo]

hey hito, plz link me to another game where you have made town lists and you have put yourself in the list as well.

also, could you update your suspicions on me?, i think it was a mix of "he is not using the QTs" and "wagons, hoho".

[populartajo]

while thats kinda true, the basic idea is to find out if hitotown is consistent with this behavior.

[populartajo]

i dont like the above post

[populartajo]

scum

Feysal NEW >>>>

Too early to tell

hitogoroshi >>>>

TOTALLY WRONG

GET THAT OUTTA YER HEAD

SpyreX >>>>

Doubtful, needs more data

DeathRowKitty >>>>

Sure, is being bus'ed by you

Except for the player you're bus'ing, tajo, your scum reads are especially bad. And you've got me as scum. Major flaw.

[/quote]

your scum reads are especially bad.

especially bad

Besides hito, you dont even have reads on Feysal and Syrex. I dont see how my scum reads are SPECIALLY BAD when we agree in 1, disagree in 1 and you dont even have a read in the other 2.

Also wtf, you have 7 NEUTRALS in page 27? Really?

[populartajo]

take whatever the time you need but dont come up with "your scum reads are specially bad" BS when YOU DONT EVEN HAVE A READ ON THEM.

PS: DGB neutrals/no reads according to 656 = CMAR, Mina, themanhimself, Zang, Benmage, Feysal, Spyrex = 7

[populartajo]

take whatever time you need but dont come up with "your scum reads are specially bad" BS when YOU DONT EVEN HAVE A READ ON THEM.

PS: DGB neutrals/no reads according to 656 = CMAR, Mina, themanhimself, Zang, Benmage, Feysal, Spyrex = 7

[populartajo]

im curious Andrius, why did you prefer to post this in the thread and not in the QT?

[populartajo]

post tomorrow

[populartajo]

from work so thisll be short

we NEED a lynch, i dont understand why DGB and others who think DRK is scum DO NOT vote DRK and are spreading suspicion on everything that moves. We are getting close to deadline and some people are keeping their votes on people who are obviously not getting lynched. (Andrius, Spyrex, Corvuus)

MOD, PLEASE PRODS ON INACTIVES.

bigger post tonight.

[populartajo]

zoraster, please prod Jack, Benmage, Feysal, Mina and Fishythefish

Mod Note: Done except for Fishy who is on V/LA until today.

DGB, people dont usually think, so Id like you to explain the case CONCISELY against DTM so we dont waste time and can get a wagon now.

[populartajo]

hey feysal quick question, from the top of your mind, who would you like to lynch right now? 3 names min.

[populartajo]

so anything useful from you?

[populartajo]

did I stop being scum?

Jack, besides DRK, who is scum?

[populartajo]

I think Feysalscum has a lot of potential, that is.

Mod, please prod...

In all seriousness there are some rules that need some tailoring, like the prod rule and the vote rule but hey you are the mod

Mod note: I'm happy to talk about those types of things at the end of the game as I strive to improve my moderation with each game, but during the game is not the time to do so.

[populartajo]

I think Feysal is scum and I think she is far scummy than Spyrex, Andrius and Corvuss. Yes I did make a conscious decision to leave Feysal off the list because of all the people on the wagons both DRK and Feysal are the most likely to flip scum for reasons previously given.

Now tell me who is scum and why.

[populartajo]

i had a reason to think LL was town but I dont remember, Jack why do you think LL is town?

[populartajo]

good posting

[populartajo]

lets get some competing wagons on both Feysal and DRK scumbags to maximize bussing shenanigans

[populartajo]

spy why are you so quiet in this game?

[populartajo]

whats the point of this clusterfuck when we are disorganized as fuck? What is your motivation DTM?

why isnt DRK lycnhed yet?

[populartajo]

DTM, you think you are doing anything useful with the stupid and confusing stuff you are doing? You have already claim, you might as well go full on and explain why we shouldnt lynch DRK when we have 4 days to deadline.

[populartajo]

Spyrex, Mina, Feysal, Fishy, nopointinactingup, DGB and Corv should explain clearly in their next posts why they are not voting the only viable wagons 4 days to deadline.

[populartajo]

hint: i DOUBT someone can get the momentum to get a wagon other than the current ones.

[populartajo]

Not Voting ( 4 ) Mina, Jack, Equinox, Corvuus,

wtf is this sh*t when there are 3 days to deadline. who is the scum not bussing?

in the other hand im happy we are lynching one of the obvscumbags drk and feysal.

[populartajo]

or hitogoroshi

but im fne with any of the current ones

im annoyed we dont have a claim. Feysal and DRK should claim or die in their following post.

[populartajo]

@Benmage
I want you dead. If I die then I still want you dead :p.

Have you slept, and said why yet?

Has anyone said why I am scum?

failure to post a scumlist in your next post would explain why.

[populartajo]

why dont you better replace out instead of being an annoying and arrogant prick?

[populartajo]

hey DRK claim

[populartajo]

why do you think feysal and drk are town?

[populartajo]

why arent you claiming?

[populartajo]

unvote

to prevent somethin gstupid and dgb can do her thong

[populartajo]

I GRANT Equinox the REWARD OF Immunity

zoraster, is this action confirmed?

[populartajo]

vote: hito

wagon now

[populartajo]

what is this plan you guys are talking aout and why am I not included?

[populartajo]

did dgb tell you that? because we have talking in the QT snce we stopped that fight here.

[populartajo]

UPDATED

town

DTMaster
CryMeARiver
Equinox
Mina
Jack
farside22 NEW

Lady Lambdadelta

TOWN

neutral (lynch when scum list is done)

Corvuus NEW
Andrius NEW
Feysal NEW
Benmage

scum

hitogoroshi

SpyreX

SCUM

DeathRowKitty

TOWN
[/quote]

so yeah basically hito is still scum, Feysal is improving with the posting but still there is something bothering me about his careful playstyle. Benmage is a useless prick who very well could be scum. I need to reread Corvus since I remember reading him well from UncertainJKitten's game. Andrius should stop buddying up to DGB, assuming she is town, which Im having a hard time deciding if wacko DGB is town DGB. It reminds me of Rocissi Winter but I dont remember a DGBscum game from the top of my head. DGB can you link me to a scum game?

[populartajo]

btw my the people on my town list are relatevely strong town reads so with one more lynch and some analysis its pretty much gg.

[populartajo]

i think dtm is too hperactive for a gambitting scum so i dont get the dgb hate.

[populartajo]

All that hitogoroshi BS about people not using the QTS being most likely scum does not make sense at all.

Well, HELLO, assume your god is clearly attacking you of being scum not only in the game thread but also in the QT. How the hell do you want me to use the QT?

Hito should know better about this. Thats why he should die. Now.

[populartajo]

Also lazy Benmage is a reliable towntell thats why I didnt vote him. Selfvoting means that he is also prob town so the play is definitely hitogoroshiscum.

I dont see Jack scum. Seriously.

[populartajo]

Hey DGB, iso me, Im seriously done talking to you. If you dont see why I am town after all Ive said in this game then a few posts in the QT wont make it.

[populartajo]

Fishy,

All that hitogoroshi BS about people not using the QTS being most likely scum does not make sense at all.

Well, HELLO, assume your god is clearly attacking you of being scum not only in the game thread but also in the QT. How the hell do you want me to use the QT?

Also, DGB has tricked me before so I dont see why you people seem to think you can trust a god, specially when we wont never have a flip from any of the gods. Have you never been wrong before?

About Feysal:

Feysal is improving with the posting but still there is something bothering me about his careful playstyle.

specially her last posts at the end of day 1. her reads were similar to mine.

[populartajo]

Yes, Im an Anon alt.

As I said, Ive seen Benmage as scum (SSBB mafia, IIRC) before and he was really obvious. Lazybenmage is a slight towntell and failure to post a scumlist while benmagescum would have probably done it confirms my read about him.

Fishy, I still think Feysal is scum, I pushed her wagon as well as the DRK one as I think both of them are scummy for different reasons. I think recent Feysal has improved and makes me hesitate but recent hito is far scummier, specially with the weak case against me.

Regarding DGB, I still dont get what good thing we can get from trying to get reads on players that WONT never flip. Ive realized its useless, as well as trying to talk with someone that constantly attacks you of being scum in the QT.

[populartajo]

farside:

Yes, Im an Anon alt.

As I said, Ive seen Benmage as scum (SSBB mafia, IIRC) before and he was really obvious. Lazybenmage is a slight towntell and failure to post a scumlist while benmagescum would have probably done it confirmed my read about him.

Fishy, I still think Feysal is scum, I pushed her wagon as well as the DRK one as I think both of them are scummy for different reasons. I think recent Feysal has improved and makes me hesitate but recent hito is far scummier, specially with the weak case against me.

Regarding DGB, I still dont get what good thing we can get from trying to get reads on players that WONT never flip. Ive realized its useless, as well as trying to talk with someone that constantly attacks you of being scum in the QT.

[populartajo]

Im posting this frm the QT because I think its important to stop DGB once again to derail conversation.

I know this is going to come as a shock, but I'm really starting to think you're town.
I've been searching the thread for possible communications with the traitor. You NEVER traitor-fished.

I know this is going to come as a shock, but you shouldnt base your reads on people who had possible communications with the traitor. (not all scum could have traitor fished, hell we dont even know they knew there was a traitor or if there was a method by getting him/her on the team)

Specially with Equinox who is obvtown.

[populartajo]

FYI
hito >>>>>>> Jack
I have no idea why you guys think Jack is scum despite lolgambit early in the day. Someone?

[populartajo]

why dio you have hito as good guy if he also "telegraphed the traitor"?

[populartajo]

FYI
hito >>>>>>> Jack

Jack hasnt posted in site since the 24th, that was his last post here, town shouldnt hammer until he claims.

[populartajo]

Jack is officially

SCUM GIVING UP

FAKECLAIM STALLING

it's

HAMMERTIME

Jack isn't claiming. He's given up. It's hopeless, Equinox and Feysal have been caught telegraphing to the Traitor along with him. The scum cannot win.

stop, sreiously, if you are town, STOP.


You are being terribly antitown so dont be so annoying when I start thinking you are scum again.

Jack hasnt posted in site since the 24th, he could be a PR with valuable information and ITS WEAK REASONING TO THINK THAT ALL SCUM TELEGRAPHED THE TRAITOR who was being obvscum.

I still wonder why somehow hito gets a free pass of this "telegraphing" madness.

[populartajo]

His QT claim gets in the way of this. May I remind you that I asked players if they'd be willing to sacrifice themselves to save a PR, also.

What did SpyreX, respond with? Oh right he passed that test and flipped scum traitor.
Awesome stuff.
Carry on.

ok, farside is oficially town.

[populartajo]

Good stuff, DTMaster is also oficially town too.

[populartajo]

The scum left is between this group (Andrius, Feysal, Corvuus and hitogoroshi).

[populartajo]

GUYS.
FFFF
CAN WE JUST FUCKING LYNCH JACK?
HE HAS PLENTY OF DIRT WITHOUT THE FUCKING TRAITOR PIECE.

This is totally consuming our time.
We'll just put our reserves of cherry pits to good use.

you wanting me dead is not the reason why Im thinking you are scum. Its your blatant attempt to lynch someone who hasnt claimed and your lack of own reads.

[populartajo]

Good stuff, DTMaster is also oficially town too.

I totally get the message in your criteria for being "officially town." Also, you're still not posting in the QT. Lazy much?

do you disagree with him being town?

also wtf, the last post in the QT is from me.

you dont want to comment on hitoscum who blatantly tried to get me modkilled in thread, why?

[populartajo]

@DGB, scum could have known there was a traitor, thats not the point of the discussion.

The point of the discussion is YOU CALLING SOLID TOWN READS SCUM for "traitor fishing" when this is not a certainty and avoiding scummy hito for a reason I dont understand.

[populartajo]

I have reads. They coincide with DGBs on the most part.
We have an entire conversation/ War Room chat going down in my Devotional, so that is the focus of my attention.

I read SpyreX as scum.
What happened?
He died.
I have my reads, and unlike you I make sure they are tested. The benefits of actually using the Devotional with DGB.

@ DTM: Clearly you don't get what "cherry pits" refer to.

so Andrius you also think Equinox/Feysal/hito are scum for traitorfishing?

[populartajo]

The point of the discussion is YOU CALLING SOLID TOWN READS SCUM for "traitor fishing" when this is not a certainty and avoiding scummy hito for a reason I dont understand.

I know it's not a certainty, but it's high probability.

What evidence do you have to support this hypothesis?

[populartajo]

Feysal, Equinox, hito.
In that order.
If I could lay out how the bodies would hit the floor, that's how they'd look. (Only using the names you gave me, if I had free reign, you'd be there too.)

DGB thinks now that Im town.

Thoughts?

[populartajo]

you dont want to comment on hitoscum who blatantly tried to get me modkilled in thread, why?

It's more like you tried to get yourself modkilled.

[populartajo]

okay two more questions and I should get back to work,

1. if you think hito is town, then why was he in the DUSTY PLAYERS section of your "traitorfishing" analysis (iso 180)?

2. do you sincerely think all scum traitor fished? Scum have daytalk, wouldnt it be enough to just have one member do the dirty job?

[populartajo]

I definitely see Almasterscum fakeclaiming a power role. Claiming vanilla at L-1 with so many people wanting to hammer and with so many people willing to change to hitoscum is extemely bad play as scum.

Lets lynch hito.

[populartajo]

No, Im saying that if we assume Almaster is scum, he just claimed vanilla with so many people willing to hammer and with a group of people willing to change to hito if somehow he fakeclaimed a PR. Since that is extremely bad play as scum then Im thinking Almaster is town.

[populartajo]

No, Im saying that if we assume Almaster is scum, he just claimed vanilla with so many people willing to hammer and with a group of people willing to change to hito if somehow he fakeclaimed a PR. Since that is extremely bad play as scum then Im thinking Almaster is town.

[populartajo]

i see your point but even a doc claim could have made some people hesitate

[populartajo]

the problem about this is that vanilla claim is a SUICIDE in almost all of the cases. Almasterscum would have had to guess that I or any of the experienced would buy his vanilla gambit to prevent his lynch.

I definitely think a PR claim, even if wrong, can bring more uncertainty to this lynch.

[populartajo]

DGB, read your sig.

[populartajo]

what is taking so long

[populartajo]

i want a claim.

you risked a player, who according to you is a PR, of being hammered the last page, and you still didnt claim for him. that is scummy as hell.

equinox and benmage arent scum, you are just winning time for hito's fakeclaim.

[populartajo]

what is taking so long

Also, it's pretty OBV anyway.

no its not, ffsgsghskdhgksdhg

[populartajo]

why are people even thinking hito's a vig, look at who died last night.

He did what we told him.

ok according to you, hito is a vig.

why didnt you guys vig me? I thought all your followers, specially HITO and even YOU thought I was scum by the end of day 1.


FAIL FAKECLAIM IS FAIL

[populartajo]

Now join in the Courvis Wagon. I wanted to see how many people jumped of Almaster's wagon and I'm glad to see Mina sees something fishy with the quick Hito vote swaps.

We keep Hito. If he's a killer, we have him chained via lynch. I DTMaster want this wagon to be resolved. If NS can, use his innocent powers and remove all the votes now.

normally Id agree with this but Hito is very likely scum or sk. I dont see hitovig who is an awesome scumhunter taking advice of DGB and Andrius. More importantly, the advice these guys gave is anormal since they didnt even have Spyrex as scum by the end of day 1 (and had other choices as Jack and me, for example).

[populartajo]

Well, before the thread closes, I forgot to ask you. Why do you have town reads on Spy and Andrius again? You never answered me before.

Mostly gut. Though sometimes SpyreX speaks in mysterious ways.

This is DGB's last post of day 1.

I SERIOUSLY doubt they somehow changed the read on Spyrex and prefered him over people they (Andrius, hito and DGB) called scum constantly (Jack, me).

[populartajo]

Andrius really had it in for SpyreX, too. That contributed in the decision.
Also, tajo, I hinted very strongly that hito was a PR in the QT.
Your behavior is very un-townlike.

here we go again

lets see if you are missing some key parts of this:

- I think hito is scum.
- You think hito is town.
- You risk him of being hammered when you "know" he is a PR.
- Hins night choice DOESNT MAKE SENSE according to his suspicions.
- His night choice DOESNT MAKE SENSE according to your suspicions.

and me doubting this is very un-townlike.

anyway, why are you so sure hito is a vig and not a sk? what special behavior do you see on him that excludes him from being sk?

[populartajo]

Andrius really had it in for SpyreX, too. That contributed in the decision.
Also, tajo, I hinted very strongly that hito was a PR in the QT.
Your behavior is very un-townlike.

here we go again

lets see if you are missing some key parts of this:

- I think hito is scum.
- You think hito is town.
- You risk him of being hammered when you "know" he is a PR.
- Hins night choice DOESNT MAKE SENSE according to his suspicions.
- His night choice DOESNT MAKE SENSE according to your suspicions.

and me doubting this is very un-townlike.

anyway, why are you so sure hito is a vig and not a sk? what special behavior do you see on him that excludes him from being sk?

also equinox dont bve stupid, you are obvtown.

pedit: if we are not lynching hito, then Im willing to go on Corv and/or Feysal. That is one should be lynched and the other "vigged".

[populartajo]

anyway, why are you so sure hito is a vig and not a sk? what special behavior do you see on him that excludes him from being sk?

[populartajo]

anyway, why are you so sure hito is a vig and not a sk? what special behavior do you see on him that excludes him from being sk?

I already answered, go find it.

hey dont be mean, there is a lot of spam in your iso. could you point me to where you explained it?

[populartajo]

Kill any of the following: Benmage, Corvuus, Equinox, nopointinactingup

I like this list, let's load the watermelon catapults.

Im pretty sure Equinox is town and I have a reliable townread on agressive Benmage. IIRC, DTM targetted nopoint and he isnt dead so nopoint is scum only if DTM is scum which its very likely not the case.

So no, this list only works with Corvuus.

[populartajo]

Kill any of the following: Benmage, Corvuus, Equinox, nopointinactingup

I like this list, let's load the watermelon catapults.

Im pretty sure Equinox is town and I have a reliable townread on agressive Benmage. IIRC, DTM targetted nopoint and he isnt dead so nopoint is scum only if DTM is scum which its very likely not the case.

So no, this list only works with Corvuus.

Still thinking this. Corvuus is by far scummier than Benmage whom I have a reliable townread.

Unvote Vote: Corvuus.

And EVERYONE should also do this.

Vig vote: Feysal.

[populartajo]

And EVERYONE should also do this.

Vig vote: Feysal.

No, this isn't happening. We're not controlling the vig in-thread in front of the scum, nO0b.

What do you want to do? Control it in your QT and vigging people who are pretty clear town as Equinox?

We NEED TO CONTROL this here where you know, people take stances and we can read them. Not in your spammy QT.

[
And, gah! I forgot about the self vote, and now an unforced, premature VT claim...[/color][/b]
UNVOTE:
VOTE: populartajo

Aside from the aggression, which may be fake, I see no evidence of pro-town behavior - quite the contrary. If I'm wrong about the traitor-fishing, and Equinox/Feysal isn't the scum team, you're back on the hot seat.

the agression might be fake, thats not the point. The point is that being agressive (or pretending to be agressive) is terrible play as scum.

And YES YOU ARE WRONG about the traitor-fishing which spammed 5 pages itt. WHO IS THE NOOB NOW, DGB?

[populartajo]

If a self vote and premature claim with no pressure is town play I'm going to wonder at the state of MS since I've been gone.

once again people seem to miss that we shouldnt be analysing the actions, we should be analysing the motivations.

self voting is a nulltell and we are not in a case of premature claim, (that its not even a PR which is what scum generally do) its some freaking stupid discussion about the VT PM.

[populartajo]

Kill any of the following: Benmage, Corvuus, Equinox, nopointinactingup

I like this list, let's load the watermelon catapults.

Im pretty sure Equinox is town and I have a reliable townread on agressive Benmage. IIRC, DTM targetted nopoint and he isnt dead so nopoint is scum only if DTM is scum which its very likely not the case.
So no, this list only works with Corvuus.

Still thinking this. Corvuus is by far scummier than Benmage whom I have a reliable townread.

Unvote Vote: Corvuus.

And EVERYONE should also do this.

Vig vote: Feysal.

lets kill this shady people before we all go paranoid at each other.

[populartajo]

its tiem

now with more commentary

and with more paranoia because no one is obvscum.

UPDATED

town

DTMaster - hider claim, lot of activity, obvtown
Equinox - lot of activity, lot of paranoia, lot of frustration, obvtown
Mina/Faraday - i agree with a lot of what he says, one liners but says more than some players.
Jack/Almaster - almaster vanilla claim, jack was transparent
farside22 - sarcastic farside is probtown, lots of agression.
benamge - the less reliable of my reads but still, agressive and "not caring" benmage is a towntell.

Lady Lambdadelta

TOWN

neutral (lynch when scum list is done)

hitogoroshi NEW - the vig? / damn hito is scummy as hell and still want to lynch him.
Andrius - catching spyrex is a nulltell, because he was a traitor. / lots of acitivity in the QT, non comparable to his activity in gamethread that is basically I<3DGB.
Feysal - lots of fluff, somehow her reads are kinda accurate but her lack of agression is bothering me.
CryMeARiver/nopoint - NEW - I had a slight town read from Me=Weird, CMAR's last post before replacing smelt bad , nopint post yawns, /also the hider result. need reread.

scum

Corvuus NEW - lack of towniness, lots of non important fluff, kind of interested why he hasnt asked why I think he is scum.

SpyreX

SCUM

DeathRowKitty

TOWN

[populartajo]

also wtf deadline is in Monday, we need to lynch someone now

who is not voting? one scum definitely there.

[populartajo]

Almaster GM ( 4 ) Andrius, nopointinactingup, Corvuus, hitogoroshi,

why are guys voting Almaster?

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Not Voting: Nobody Special, Lost Butterfly, Feysal,
Voting for others that are not in lynch range : Fishy, Almaster, Benmage

Im thinking the scum not commiting to a lynch is Feysal.

Also Corv should claim.

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I read Jack and the slot i'm replacing (themanhimself). I would agree with my slot except for the fact that in the opening post on scum, it states that scum have a day chat quicktopic and given that, even though it is like Jack claiming some 'weird' like day 1 massclaim/gambit, etc. it isn't at the very least a scum slip since he did it expressedly on purpose. Given how incredibly powerful scum daytalk is, I actually like the gambit since 'polarizing' issues get reads and stands and I like how Jack handled it vis a vis town tend towards polarization while scum tend to calculate/hedge.

Almaster GM, can you ask and handle PM/quicktopic discussion such that you have what Jack said and did, etc.
A major point for why Jack needs to die is that he pulled a gambit (iso jack) based on PM/quicktopic with his God and that he could pull this gambit as both town and scum and the conclusion for this gambit regardless of alignment would be toward NS being scum.
If you can't get the pm/quicktopic/comment, then it is something close to a policy information lynch in that I sincerely believe that your slot must die. As it is, i'm heavily leaning towards scum-Jack...

Corv, can you clarify these contradicting stances?

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I really don't like either of the lynches that look possible here. Equinox is right about TMH - TMH/NS makes no sense. And NS is the scumgod, so Corvuus isn't scum.

I dont understand why NSscum means Corvuustown. Clarify?

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moar people need to vote corv so he can claim

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Im fine with either Corvus or nopoint dying, preferably Corv, and will switch my vote according to the situation to prevent no-lynch,

Why are you guys votying again AMG? Havent we discussed Jack-transparent and vanilla-claim before?

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Also wtf, am I the only one noticing this contradiction?

I read Jack and the slot i'm replacing (themanhimself). I would agree with my slot except for the fact that in the opening post on scum, it states that scum have a day chat quicktopic and given that, even though it is like Jack claiming some 'weird' like day 1 massclaim/gambit, etc. it isn't at the very least a scum slip since he did it expressedly on purpose.

Given how incredibly powerful scum daytalk is, I actually like the gambit since 'polarizing' issues get reads and stands and I like how Jack handled it vis a vis town tend towards polarization while scum tend to calculate/hedge

.

Almaster GM, can you ask and handle PM/quicktopic discussion such that you have what Jack said and did, etc.

A major point for why Jack needs to die is that he pulled a gambit (iso jack) based on PM/quicktopic with his God

and that he could pull this gambit as both town and scum and the conclusion for this gambit regardless of alignment would be toward NS being scum.
If you can't get the pm/quicktopic/comment, then it is something close to a policy information lynch in that I sincerely believe that your slot must die.

As it is, i'm heavily leaning towards scum-Jack...

Also who the hell wants to lynch someone for informational reasons?

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The three people most questionable on this wagon are Corvuus, Fishythefish, and nopointinactingup; above vote count shows Fishythefish hopping like he's playing Leap Frog

I suppose I have, but I feel all my hops have been justified (albeit one of them only because I'm an idiot who forgot his power). Are there any you want to know more about?

when did the unjustified hop happen?

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why did you decide AGM if you think Corv is scummier than him?

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nvm i thought you had Corv scummier than AMG.

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I really don't like either of the lynches that look possible here. Equinox is right about TMH - TMH/NS makes no sense. And NS is the scumgod, so Corvuus isn't scum.

I dont understand why NSscum means Corvuustown. Clarify?

but this was left without an answer.

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I want to see 3 more votes on AGM for the lynch. The nopoint wagon is lame, the scum would be dumb to RB DTMaster, and kill LLD. They need to RB DTMaster, and kill DTMaster. The LLD... is almost as if the scum were trying to guess where DTMaster might have been hiding.

Three more, three more, and we have a lynch.

VOTE: AGM

The LLD kill scenario works if DTM is terrribly wrong with his read or if LLD was terribly spot on hers, or if scum caught an important cop-tell during the day.

DGB: you think AlmasterGM could have predicted that a vanilla claim would have saved his lynch? Dont you think daytalk scumbags would have planned a claim when jack was starting to get the heat? Dont you think forcing a counterclaim or an appeal to role would have worked best when there was a competing wagon with a lot of support = hito?

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why would scum think the PRs are extremely limited? Even if this were the case, how could town know that is the case and lynch him?

You sincerely think we would have lynched, lets say a doc, with no counterclaim?

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there is more support for a nopoint lynch.

Unvote Vote: nopointinactingup

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hito should also vig Feysal.

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DGB,

Almaster GM ( 5 ) Andrius, nopointinactingup, Corvuus, hitogoroshi, DrippingGoofball, (L - 3 )


you think this is a 100% town wagon, y/n?

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Regardless of Jack's alignment, who is the scum iun this wagon?

*** Jack ( 7 ) *** DrippingGoofball, Andrius, nopointinactingup, Equinox, Benmage, Corvuus, Fishythefish, (L - 1 )

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hito should also vig Feysal.

Hito will not vig anyone on YOUR recommendation.

ill complain about lack of focus and when I think you are supporting a town lynch as everyone with a town PM would do.

you might as well vig me because I dont fit with your powerful team (i remember spyrex was one of them) and im seriously annoyed with your attitude regardless of your alignment.

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why is the people that unvoted AGM for the vanilla claim (and supposedly believed his claim) not voting nopointinactingup? come on, come on, deadline is tomorrow.

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oh god im taking stances, fuck my scummy ass.

i missed the part where nopoint became town. enlighten me?

also dont come up with BULLSHIT about me being scum for supporting a town lynch on a scummy player in day 1. Guess what? This is mafia. Scummy people need to die.

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wait, let me get this straight, so do you think scumteam left AGMscum go to L-1 days ago (with some bussing included since its unlikely all that wagon was town), told him to claim vanilla, expected this maneuver to wifom the gamethread, and now they are trying to save him again?

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if they are trying to save him now, why didnt they save him before? not another viable wagon is not a valid answer since there was the hito wagon.

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Deadline is tomorrow.

Voting for players that arent even near a lynch becomes a scumtell:

AGM, Lost Butterfly, DTM, Feysal, farside.

Seriously, why can someone remotely think Feysal is town?

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AGM voters:

if they are trying to save him now, why didnt they save him before? not another viable wagon is not a valid answer since there was the hito wagon.

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hey good game all

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yeah, about that

dont do it again

seriously.

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THIS is tajo's SCUM LIST???????

scum
farside
DRK
Spyrex
Feysal

HE IS SCUM

lol?