DEFCON Mafia 2.0 - Over, American Victory!

[SpyreX]

What up game.

[SpyreX]

WHY DONT WE ALL CHOOSE NUKES AND NUKE TILL ALL SCUM ARE DEAD WHEN THE BELL TOLLS FOR THEE.

True dat.

Double true.

IF I decide to go for the submarine AND I get it you can guarantee I'm not tellin no one. The bombs will be my only <3

[SpyreX]

Again, theoretically, I get something I'm giving it up on my terms.

Time to get back to roots. BLOOD GOD STYLE WHAT

[SpyreX]

FATEEE

YES

MURDER DEATH SPREE

[SpyreX]

I actually decided to read the pre-game madness in detail:

These aren't as necessary, but can still be a detriment in scum hands. The problem with these is the limited use Americans get from them:
-Fighter is ROLE COP, it would give them an easier time identifying key power roles.

-Espionage is essentially COP. If scum gets the role, then they can just look for the opposing faction members with it.

-Radar is like TRACKER, but Scum Night Kills are untrackable, so it's only use is to detect people with Offensive Troops.
-Fail Safe is similar to BOMB, and scum would rarely like to trade 1 for 1, but a kill is still a kill. Americans are more likely to lose two town members I would bet.

While I hate cops putting it here is silliness. SILLINESS. Especially when cop claims can be checked via sweet, sweet nuclear destruction.

I think we should leave Espeonage for the scum.

*explodes*

Percy uses good words.

That won't stop the rope tho. Its called Mafia and if you refuse to have the town guide ur vig, then u r one.

See, you said you liked the Quan so I thought we'd be bro's.

BUT NO. Then you come in with this madness.

[SpyreX]

Why give the scum a cop?

There's 1 copy of each role and cop, as much as I hate it, is a doozy.

If one manages to be good(TM) and say, ohh, hold their load until they have even 3 investigations (hint: investigating targets that aren't high priority NK material is tech) and then come out with them is a tide turner.

[SpyreX]

ARGH HULK SMASH

I'm fully aware of how it works. Even limited information (that sure as hell has the chance to become total information) is a good thing. A real good thing.

Especially once bodies start hitting the floor.

[SpyreX]

Thank you Jack.

If we jibber jabber HERE long enough maybe we can turn on the cruise control for murderland to get them filthy numbers to Defcon 1 as fast as possible.

And then let there be chaos.

CHAOS

[SpyreX]

I can't believe I'm having to argue thisssssssss. GOD

Yes, a bevy of investigations is more powerful late game.

That can't happen unless WE HAVE THE COP TO GET THERE.

Jesus if the cop forces one good lynch or stops one key bad lynch its worth it.

[SpyreX]

I'm not GOING los copos.

I'm just beating my head against the idea that its not worth getting.

I mean just think of the beautiful world where a cop comes out with a couple innocents and WE NUKE EVERYONE ELSE.

RED DAWN

[SpyreX]

"Getting useful roles" > "Stopping scum from BP/RB"

We may have to have real words this game. REAL ONES

FATTE HOW DARE YOU PREVIEW EDIT ME

I WILL TALK TO YOU MORE IN OUR CHAT MR

[SpyreX]

Wow that was some beetlejuice stuff right there.

HRMMM

[SpyreX]

We can agree to disagree I suppose. Coming from a VT standpoint, I would much rather use my intuition than rely/hope for scum scans. If we get a condemning scan, cool beans, but gut and intuition rules my game play a bit more. I always assume worst case scenario that town is fudged and we either have no power or VIs have our best powers.

Que?

I am not saying turn on blinders and hope that the almighty cop saves us.

I'm saying that the cop is an excellent tool and if the choice is "try for cop" or "get a bp" ONE OF THOSE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER.

[SpyreX]

unkillable/untargetable/roleblocker/whatever.

No.

BP is not "unkillable". Ropes and crosskills work just fine. And, sure enough, if a launch goes they get to announce it and, as scum, paint a big ol target on themselves from the other group.
I never mentioned untargetable because that IS bad, in comparison to the others.
Roleblocker still gets the fun joy of hypothetically outing itself. Or stopping A PR in this setup with a million nukes.

This isn't a "welp, opinion" kind of discussion I'm having right now. The more I look at your list the more paranoid I actually get. Especially when I look at your rationales.

[SpyreX]

(Next time I see the word probability in relation to whats going on I may have to put them on the "gets nuked fast" list)

(Don't fight silly with silly. It makes hulk smash)

[SpyreX]

(it stops the first. There will be legion)

[SpyreX]

HEY NOW LETS BE FAIR NO LISTENING MAKES JACK A DULL BOY

@ everyone, and chess especially
It takes a long period of experience with Fate to understand when he's being serious, and when he's just messing around. If I were you, I would really just ignore him, and that's actually what I really do most of the time. When it's impossible to tell what he means, what else can you do? So that explains why he hates me so much and wants to jump all over everything I say. The mad dog will most likely be put down in good time.

HAHAHAH

Welp, lets dance. When votin time a comes I will summon los ropos.

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Me? I've already put in my picks.

I'm not worried about me. Doing that dance scum go "ohh, if even the majority follow this we can neuter the cop and tracker? nice. Don't get all crazy though and be sure nukes are up there because those are pretty nice too."

Lets just say I'm not willing to vote you, yet. HOWEVER, D3 may be a different kinda song.

[SpyreX]

Capitulate under the iron fist of the Secret Death Empire so we can focus on murderfacing the Drunks.

THEN we can dance.

[SpyreX]

Yes, anyone declaring they are scum should be dealt with.

[SpyreX]

I like how that your sentiment really shows through starting with "bipartisan" and going right to :giantsmugulon:

See, I'll make it real simple. I trust myself right now to take a shot.

As time progresses, maybe I'll take some input from a few others. Input. Never the

What I wont do, now, or ever, is let my shot be guided by a load of miscreants.

Or, to put it differently:

The will of the people produces backwards lists. That go into a bureaucratic mess where 6 of the voices sure as hell want to gerrymander anything useful.
The WRATH OF THE BLOOD GOD produces bodies.

I know what team I'm on, every time.

[SpyreX]

How do you suppose we avoid the clusterfuck that was last game's D1 & D2 if everyone's going "I TRUST NO ONE BUT MY OWN NUKE". Besides, that's really not the argument. You're probably misinterpreting things.

The argument is more like 'If you're collectively found to be scummy, your nuke is our command.' or 'Only protown people should be allowed to nuke.'. What I'm getting from your side is 'ALLOW EVERYONE TO NUKE WHOEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT.' which is definitely bad.

I think that, as the game progresses, the Townier people w/ nukes will be allowed to shoot people they want anyway since nukes are definitely something we want to take advantage of.

The hell did nukes have to do with last games D1 and D2?

And, 'If you're collectively found to be scummy,

your nuke is our command

you are dead. Write up your will, because you done be seein fishes'.

And this logical jump from 'My gun IS my gun' to 'They're gonna done kill e'ryone and there is no way to hold them accountable OHH NO' is something else. My hypothetical shots, just like any other, will have to be backed up.

Your own?

No the other teams, of course.

Seriously what the hell is this.

[SpyreX]

Rebels should be lynched as scum.

HAHAHA

Ohhhh man.

Woooo

[SpyreX]

Even VL/A isn't enough for me to stop from checking in here and Fate I NEED YOU while I'm gone to keep the machine afloat with Socio who has ALSO decided to be awesome this game.

I mean, waiting until D3? Psh. I've got bidnesses out of the wazoo.

VV I like, Gan I actually like, the SCREAMING DEATH CLAN I like, AV I like, IS I like.

Dana is for dead. Jed is trying real hard for dead. Toog is for dead now (and I'm a little surprised no one else has seen it but YOU DONT GET IT TILL I AM AT HOME WITH A REAL COMPUTERS).

And the lurkers? Purged by fire. Especially now.

I've got some secret hints and tricks TM (mind you, nothing super secret awesome but useful enough) for after day starts.

[SpyreX]

Word.

Additionally, and I'll probably get into this more in the later times, I'm firmly of the opinion few things are as scary for scum as uncontrolled nukes. Because nothing is as fun as trying to look town AND not raise enough ire in the process to get a bomb dropped all up ins.

[SpyreX]

Ohh panda-chan.

I still dont have a real computer so you can still wait. Maybe someone else will see it but if not, hey.

And it has nothing to do with reading -you-. It has everything to do with committing a murderable sin.

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And lets play a little game Jed:

Which one of these scenarios is a 'town controlled nuke':

1.) PLAYER nukes his gut scum read.
2.) PLAYER says he has a nuke, has feelings time, and after the consensus is decided upon 2 weeks later nukes said target.

Also I apparently don't know how wagons work. Its awesome.

[SpyreX]

ANSWER MY QUESTION TIA

Sorry Panda-kun, Panda-chan just flows better.

[SpyreX]

A combination of phone and my wifes laptop which is not my beautiful machines.

And I would be surprised if you're that much older than me if at all.

On a more pertinent note the simple fact jed opted for the choice that involves everyone as more town controlled than the other is that tipping point between stubborn town and obstinate scum.

[SpyreX]

Hmm, 5 years isn't enough for sensai. Sempai?

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Anywho, lets cut to the chase because this is done now.

I'm good at this game. Not great, not hall of fame (yet) but good.

If I WAS scum this game, you know what would scare me shitless?

Not getting lynched. Psh.
Not even cross-kills.
It's the uncontrolled nukes. Note, not the 'town' nukes. Those turn into the 'getting lynched' business. What would make me nervous ALL GAME would be the fear at any point someone would go 'this is gut' and launch a nuke.

Because that can't be controlled.

So, what would I do as scum here? Just this. Control as much as possible (note: this is also part of the problem with "THE LIST" but I'll get there later).

The bureaucracy would catch bad scum or scum that make a mistake. But those ones die regardless. The 'OMG CHAOS' nukes kill the good ones.

Now, as for why you're scum and not just bullheaded town? The simple fact you just kept on keeping on when I asked the question I asked. The answer, even if you were bullheaded would be some line of "Well, #1 BUT...." not "#2 ALL THE WAY".

But, even THAT alone wouldn't do it.

This does it:

OK IF SOMEBODY IN THIS GAME DOESN'T ANSWER THIS ARGUMENT AND PUT IT DOWN, I FRANKLY GIVE UP AND GANDALF IS MY NUKE IF I GET ONE.

All that talk about VI's and the right way and 'pro-town wait for wagons' and being a martyr just jumped out as soon as it was clear no one was drinking the juice.

In fact, no single statement could illustrate how much dissonance was involved in your whole line of thought because this IS "If you dont see what I see I'm nuking regardless".

Dana may get to see D2. Because come defcon 3 this is done.

[SpyreX]

Additionally I'll say it very clearly:

Dana & Jed if you ARE town you'll go ahead and not waste your picks on anything but silos.

Because, you're dead. It is just waiting for it to happen.

AND GOOD TO SEE MY FELLOW BLOOD SQUADRON ALPHA OUT AND ABOUT.

(And I still have a case I'm GOING to do on toog when I have my comptuerdeathboxes 2000 because it requires some effort)

[SpyreX]

HAHAHAH

I guess to be fair you could be pushing a policy lynch BUT even that that doesn't make sense

AND TO THINK YOU ALMOST DIDNT PLAY UNTIL Dcon3

And what the hell is this last post by toog even mean?

[SpyreX]

Ohhh so its zombie-meta.

Gotcha.

And Fate is real, real good at being Fate. I've got nothing but <3's for him always

[SpyreX]

And semantics now?

Oohhh sempai

[SpyreX]

Pretty much that.

It's not a function of fate reading the quote.

Its a function of your response to him asking why you were defending dana having NOTHING to do with that being a quote and the "anyone can be scum!"

Or, at least that is what Fate is clearly going on about.

Like I said MY issue is something different entirely.

[SpyreX]

STOP PREVIEW EDITING ME FATE

[SpyreX]

It is sleeptime but #529 may in fact be the biggest QUE I've had in a while .

[SpyreX]

I have about 14 Neutral reads in this game right now, 2 reads I think are scum, and 3 reads I think are town. Anyone want to one up me and say that they have more reads than that?

Yea, I do. I've even posted about a chunk of them. I think it'd be more than a one up.

I can't help the fact that the town doesn't want to pursue the best course of action even though they should; I can only accept that they won't. Just because you "knew it all along" because its your world view doesn't lessen the value of the best course.

The scum want your worldview to prevail, why do you think its so popular? Its because you have full scum support buddy. So don't give yourself too much credit.

Ahh, yes, the unified scum theory. Well played.

BAD scum may want my worldview to prevail. But, hey, thats ok because they also get roped.

And, this is pretty sweet skating from the simple fact you went from "THIS IS THE TOWNIEST TOWN TOWN WAY TO PLAY" to "I AM NUKING GANDALF AS SOON AS I CAN"

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And JED AND TOOG TALKIN ABOUT PERCY? OHH SNAP.

See, funny thing is Percy and I can have totally different viewpoints on what the right path is but that doesn't change him bein town.

(and you two being scum but I digress).

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D1 and D2 last game were megaclusterfucks. D1 was a good lynch gone horribly wrong with Els flipping doc. D2 was HORRIBLE due Andriusgate. That was one of the worst days I have ever lived through with 3 Town PRs outing themselves. @.@. Things were way too chaotic last game due to people believing in their own results a little too much. See why I'm trying to get some order around here?

Psh. You are right but that still had nothing to do with nukes. Only one thing can stop madness like that. Not drinking the bad water.
Hell, nukes may have HELPED it.

Yes, and no. UNCONTROLLED GUT nukes might also kill protown people playing a good game. Scare scum shitless? Sure! Might hit awesome Townies doing a good job leading Town? Yeah.

I have thought of a better compromise though, through RedC's quote above. See if you agree Spy.

Early game, when isn't much danger. Some freedom with the nukes might be awesome. Might get some good gut shots etc. However once it starts getting close to LyLo... THEN we start upholding Martial Law. No idiots risking Town loss by killing people who could be important. Should work like real wartime, eh?

Well, see, we keep coming back to this weird issue from the 'law'.

Not being a second "lynch" != no accountability.

Early game if someone throws a nuke at me and gets 4 or 5 people going BAD IDEA and persists, welp, they gotta go.
http://mafiascum.net/forum/posting.php? ... =3&t=15795
"OHH NOES THEY MIGHT BE TOWNS THOUGH"

And? If someone is that bull-stubborn they've gotta go and its better than wasting a damn lynch on it.

As it sits, if I could, I'd throw a nuke at Jed. Would that -really- mean that if he was town someone would throw a nuke back and then this secret madness world you guys keep talkin about? Probably not.

If it did? Welp, QQ because it would have been a loss anyways.

(And, yea, I didn't even think that "throwing nukes around at lylo unless its the ultra-gamble is a REAL BAD IDEA" even needed to be talked about - as its right up there with "dont vote at lylo sillynannies")

I'll repeat this because it is important:

Accountability != consensus != accountability.

Every post sets up accountability. If I were to nuke Fate right now I'd get killed for it. As I SHOULD.
If I were to nuke Jed right now it shouldn't be much of a surprise (and, unlike Kit's business DONT BE SILLY and go "Ohh, Jed-scum means SpyreX-town" because you KNOW I'd throw this down if I was the other scums. I'm town because I'm town and awesome.)

[SpyreX]

This is the wife's tiny buttons which are stronger and more braver than the phone's tiny buttons BUT STILL.

His case requires a LOT of quotes and words on my part. Because there is:
The

tiered

list which is followed up not long after with "silos should be the lowest pick for all americans" (and, of course, the nature of that list).
Coming out pro-nuke but then referring to the 'rebels'.
The QUOTED "scum-hunting" business (I REALLY need to look in detail what is going on around there because my gut says that is a snipe at people wanting dana dead which would be HOO NELLY)
The slipperiest of slopes with (while bad) the 'lawyers' going "A NUKES B NUKES C" to "Lets control ALL THE PRS"
And, of course, COP-GATE. Which the more I think about it makes me itchy all over.

And this is all before Fate-dancing time which is its own ball of wax and now the multiple "I've got reads I promise yo".

AND this doesn't include the thing that gave me the pure death: the dissonance in his list 'denying the scum toys' and later 'scum aren't going to want to deny us toys'.

(This should serve as a good set of notes for myself too)

[SpyreX]

And I do agree with you to some degree that the 'role' part of it is a little greasy but he IS actually saying things that lay out enough that I'm <3 with him for now RC.

And you and your qualifiers. FFFF

[SpyreX]

"I'm willing to be a MARTYR FOR MY CAUSE"
"Ohh yea I'm gonna take me a copper on the way down, USA USA"

Also, I'm out but another fun game would be to see how many posts dana has AND of those posts how many times Fate is mentioned.

By fun I mean for killing.

[SpyreX]

I'm on fate's meat SO HARD it warped the space time continuum and made my first issues with you happen before he started the rage (TM) on you.

True story.

Also, it is that special kind of fun to watch "The default is being awesome. You dont want to BE AWESOME DO YOU??"

Although there is a quasi valid point on team gonna get lynched right fast if you are town (you're not): there ARE a few acceptable things besides silo. Fail Safe, Fallout Shelter and Air Base would be ok.

But, when one of you (hint: Jed) goes "SEE LOOK IMMA COP MARTYR" if you are actually town then you've just failed twice. Well done.

[SpyreX]

It will take a bit of time to calculate the results, so expect the deployment PMs to be distributed and DEFCON 3 to begin late Tuesday night (EST).

So still over 24 damnable hours.

Then speedlynches.

Then fun dancing time.

[SpyreX]

As long as I am that other person (hint: I am a drinking bird on the kill button) sure.

Or I'm just joshin and really this works out in the post-launch just fine. Because, really, if EVERYONE yells at your launch maybe you done screwed the dog and need to retract the killshot.

[SpyreX]

Thats why it wouldn't work.

Although launch buddy is an awesome term for the idea.

[SpyreX]

FATE PLEASE I NEED THIS

Unvote, Vote: Jed

THE OTHER CAN HAPPEN TOMORROW

There have actually been a couple of suggestions from certain players about this as well -- that people should choose fallout shelter or nuke etc.

You mean me as "certain players"

and "people" as you and dana.

Because, you're dead.

And, IF IF IF you were town going down with something useful in your hands isn't helpful.

Additionally, chess stumbled a bit onto a line of thinking I had kinda - until I'm confident pr's that can screw with the lynch are in good hands at D1 I'd like to see a nuke launched at the lynch target.

Not double nukes off the bat because that is silly but.

[SpyreX]

Damnit man, DAMNIT.

Jed went from I am a martyr for the cause of the holy and just town controlled nukes to I'm nukin gan first chance I get.

All of it was a mystical story.

AND I MADE THIS CLEAR.

[SpyreX]

Let er' ride but don't get too crazy.

I want speedlynches.

YEA, I said it.

And on that glorious day I can lay out the other ones that need to go.

(P.S. you have no idea how hard it was to fight being lazy and just push toog BUT Jed is my call)

[SpyreX]

Ouuu nelly.

Yea, lets get this a goin'.

Internet Stranger is lurking.
Kat? Kit? Nah. No way.
Dana? Course not.

[SpyreX]

Dodging it like a boss.

I think the next post after I called that out involved the unified scum theory on why my worldview is so awesome

[SpyreX]

Based on the reality which is now present with those in question declaring themselves, I have to agree with the analysis that nukes will be flying but I never bought the idea that it was impossible until now.

I can't help the fact that the town doesn't want to pursue the best course of action even though they should; I can only accept that they won't. Just because you "knew it all along" because its your world view doesn't lessen the value of the best course.

The scum want your worldview to prevail, why do you think its so popular? Its because you have full scum support buddy. So don't give yourself too much credit.

Yea.

[SpyreX]

Then Spyrex goes along with it all Herpaderp?

Sarcasm man sarcasm.

I.E. Jed's list is as useful as he is town.

GOD IF I SUPPORT DANA TODAY CAN I COUNT ON YOU BASTIONS OF AWESOME TOMORROW

[SpyreX]

He called out IS as a lurker over Kat and Kit.

And if this is your dance where were you pages ago when I first brought it up?

[SpyreX]

Or turn of phrase. Ya know.

Considering I've been hammering on Jed for his 180 for a while now.

But, I've got time so:

Utr Lurkers
Bobsnox
Sociopath
Jack
Bunny
Internet Stranger

So, this is the "Under the Radar Lurkers". (and these numbers will be slightly off due to posting after this but hey):

Bob - 7 posts
Sociopath - 13 posts
Jack - 22 posts
Bunnylover - 12 posts
Internet Stranger - 35 posts

Now, lets compare that against the whole:
AV - 15 posts
Baby Spice - 8 posts
Chesskid - 66 posts
Dana - 11 posts
Faraday - 22 posts
Fate - 83 posts
Gandalf - 38 posts
Jed - 155 posts
Kat - 18 posts
Kit - 22 posts
Percy - 10 posts
RedCoyote - 12 posts
SpyreX - 51 posts
Toogeloo - 95 posts
VasudeVa - 12 posts

(On the plus side, doing this showed Baby Spice is 'playing' and can go on the short list)

So, the 6th highest poster in the game is lurking.
"Ohh, but I meant UNDER THE RADAR"
If I've got to go redelve how many different people have mentioned IS's name in relation to his shtick I'll be a sad panda, but lets just go ahead and say its not 'under' any form of radar.
"Ohh, I meant ACTIVE lurking"
BWHAHAHA. No.

That list is junk. Moreso, it comes after votes can finally come out and the original issue has never, ever been addressed.

And did you really go "He's got 150 posts sooo".

Because, go look at them. Real close. Cut the raw white noise. Then get to the meat of it which is "Vigs HAVE to be controlled by town."

Then watch that 180 on gan and get back to me.

[SpyreX]

Sorry got a bit derailed.

I want WANT my lynch tomorrow.

Unvote, Vote: Dana

[SpyreX]

Pound for pound, IS has more content than most.

But, if you're determined to defend that list as 'good' and not 'junk':

Dana has produced more 'content' than you? Y/N

[SpyreX]

I am saying that list is arbitrary and not actually a list with any real value or meaning.

Further, I am saying this is true because Jed is scum.

Jed is not scum because of the list. Jed is scum, again, because of the 180. He threw in all his dice on the vig's and when that didn't float it became abundantly clear his 150+ posts were NOT actually a stance he cared about.

Additionally, while I think IS is town he is serving as an

example

of why said list is arbitrary. Much like how the K's not being there again showcases how it is arbitrary.

[SpyreX]

I want dana lynched and then spyrex. Toog and bunny are next on my list but I would have to do some more work reading them.

So, you're basing this off the 'list' and not anything else, because as you said you hadn't been keeping up?

Woooosh.

but if jed is scum, he's scum _with_ gandalf, right?

I don't think the "IMMA NUKE HIM" is a bus maneuver.

[SpyreX]

@Spyrex: isnt' Jed scum partly because of a 180 on gandalf?

Gandalf, specifically, has nothing to do with it.

Its the fact he went from "Scum++ want nukes that aren't controlled by 'the town' and I am willing to be a martyr for this cause" to:

OK IF SOMEBODY IN THIS GAME DOESN'T ANSWER THIS ARGUMENT AND PUT IT DOWN, I FRANKLY GIVE UP AND GANDALF IS MY NUKE IF I GET ONE.

[SpyreX]

Pre-D1 in a large with 2 scumteams?

Maaaybe. Doubtful though.

[SpyreX]

This is nonsense. He got pissed when people weren't going to follow the plan he cared about and said "well **** you then". That's evidence that he DID care.

No. He went from this is so important I'm willing to die for it to IM NUKIN WHAT UP.

Personal isn't arbitrary. When I call people out it's because something they did struck me, not because I did an exhaustive review. THIS HAPPENS IN LIKE EVERY LURKER CALL OUT EVER

AND SAYING INTERNET STRANGER IS A LURKER OR "UNDER THE RADAR" IS ABSOLUTE NONSENSE WHICH EVEN A PRETEND REVIEW WOULD SHOW.

WHICH KIND OF IS MY POINT WITH THE LIST WHICH IS STILL SECONDARY TO THE OTHER PART.

[SpyreX]

SPYREX WHERE THE FUCK DID YOUR TOOG SCUM READ GO AND WHY AREN'T YOU POSTING AWESOME THINGS.

DONT GET MY PARANOIA DAR ALL CRAZY AGAIN

Its right where it is. Only one rope man. I've been pretty clear that dana needs to go (and dana has made that apparent) and I think both Jed AND toog are scum with Jed a bit more sure.

If there was nukin' dance parties right now they'd all be burning alive.

i.e. Who would believe me if I said that Espionage was my top pick town role?

ITS ALL WIFOM means nothing.

Lets say everything you said (especially arguing the value of cop) was just to cover your own pick. That this was some 'mastermind' plan to get people who might pay attention to not pick cop (thus lessening the number of players attempting to pick the role good job).

Well, at defcon 3 going "MAYBE I AM A COP" just wasted all of it and you can die soon, tia.

[SpyreX]

Don't you love DEFCON 5, where you can't do anything except talk about how patriotic you are?
Btw, I'm so #$^@ing patriotic that I tore down a poster for Obama and replaced it with an American Flag.

This thread so far makes me want to cry long and hard. Unlike the rest of you, I am willing to admit that this isn't going to go anywhere until DEFCON 4, and furthermore, I am willing to say that I will not even attempt to analyze this thread until DEFCON 4. So see you guys then.

Answer: So I will try. It's as simple as that. I'm not going to waste any more time on a game where people are stupid enough to lynch me like this. If you want to lynch someone else, go ahead, and I will be an active participant in this game. Day 1's not my thing anyway.

[SpyreX]

This is the second time you've come to bat for IS. I'm not feeling it, man. It feels completely artificial, especially in light of how Jack just framed it. Just because you want IS to be scum doesn't make it so. IS has given reads, I'll give you that much, but JC has clearly done more by any reasonable measure.

Ahh, but thats the thing.

HAS he?

If I have to go through and do a post-by-post on those posts I will. But, I really shouldn't. Because, just go ahead and scan that ISO and get back to me with this after really looking.

Because cut out the white noise and ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE NUKES and you'll have (and this is a guess) less posts than IS.

And of those posts? I bet you'll find 3-4 actual "reads". Hell, cash money says that his "list" shows more actual definitive reads than in all those posts.

And that, of course, is ridiculous.

(and, again, I'm not 'batting' for IS. IS is the example because by any measure him being on that under the radar lurker list is pure hogwash.)

And no way in hell is Fate going to be a D1-D2 lynch. Its not happening.

Not on my watch.

[SpyreX]

(Note: I also don't want Toog as a D1-D2 lynch).

[SpyreX]

Chess,

Under the guise in a setup like this sans a few key pieces scum don't have any reason to lie (and town better not be) depending on WHEN said massclaim happened it could hurt by painting pr targets.

Now, the way it CAN be useful is at MC time forcing via popcorn to potentially catch scoobydoo scum who lie about their list.

But, thats a ways away and its really moot.

[SpyreX]

5 would be a slam dunk.

I doubt its that awesome. 3-4? Yes.

[SpyreX]

Defending IS, Spy? Really?
And when you defended him based on post count, that was hilarious. So many posts of IS's are just
I'M
TOO AMERICAN FOR MY SHIRT
TOO AMERICAN FOR MY SHIRT
SO AMERICAN IT HUUUUURTS
...

Again.

AGAIN.

I am not 'defending' IS in the OMG HE IS TOWN sense.

I am saying his placement on that list is junk.

Further, I am saying, pound for pound, if one reads the TOO AMERICAN dance almost ALL of those are at least actual balls out X is scum or Y is town business versus Jed's amazing amount of... nothing.

[SpyreX]

I had a dream.

A dream of a quick lynch.

And, once again, my dreams were crushed under the weight of nothingness.

The world, it is a sad place

[SpyreX]

I see a 60 page D1 in the future.

I am not amused.

[SpyreX]

God damnit.

I want Toog dead. I didn't want him dead today.

[SpyreX]

I didn't want Toog lynched today because IF he ends up town (or hell, even as scum) it's gonna be the damn rabbit hole and with the replacementism GUARANTEED I AM NOT GONNA GET MY JED LYNCH.

That makes me wroth.

BUT, long days are more wroth.

Unvote, vote: Toog

[SpyreX]

The words keep going up.
The death isn't.

[SpyreX]

If you're town I dont even know where to begin.

ONE PAGE. DEATH

[SpyreX]

Yea chess is either ballsy as all get out or town (hint: its the latter) good to see.

D3 start I'll have a nice shiny list.

Tomorrow, I swear to god, Jed or Dana. Believe in me.

[SpyreX]

Red I'd bet town but you can NEVER NEVER let that kind of business go unchecked.

And, JC, well. All in due time.

[SpyreX]

Oh my god Toog....... Doing bullshit like that is unnacceptable.

This is pretty much spot on and that was not awesome in any way shape or form.

However, the final vote isn't as awesome EVEN THOUGH I WOULD BET THAT IS WHATS GOIN ON TODAY.

Unvote, Vote: Dana

[SpyreX]

Maybe.

However, I still wouldn't put a bullet there over other places.

[SpyreX]

You just know some of these folks were licking their chops over an American who offered himself on a silver platter.

You're still making the assumption the evil forces of evil wouldn't think it was a give-up by the other evil forces.

But, yea, that could very well be true - because it was a dumb that had to be sheered.

Also worth noting: Bunny/Dana has a scum in it.

[SpyreX]

DERP. I'd love to hear SpyreX's two for one special cause Bunny is ALSO just parking his vote with no other reads or content provided, especially with the shitty as hell "well one flipped town and I SAIDZ it wasnt TvT so kill de other LOLOLOOLZ"

Moment of tired: I don't think they're scum together. That doesn't preclude hand holdin sputniks and chinamens.

They can both die.

[SpyreX]

RED WHILE I AGREE WITH YOUR NEWSLETTER I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER MILLION PAGE DAY

GIVE ME THIS. PLEASE.

[SpyreX]

AHA! BY NOT GIVING A REASON THEREFORE ITS SCHRODINGERS REASON AND CAN BE ANYTHING I WANT THE VOTE GAMBIT HATH YOU TRAPPED FATE

(P.S. Votes go here)

[SpyreX]

What reading comprehension issue?

He went from "Toog and Fate are either Town or scum together" to "Toog flipped town, vote: fate".

That said can we PLEASE lynch dana and kill him tomorrow if people refuse to be helpers and vote quick on this?

[SpyreX]

I think both of us feel better about Snakescum than just about anyone else. We can fight to get him lynched today. Are you sure you want to settle for a dana vote?

Sorry I didn't want to skip this.

You are right. I am the MOST confident in Snake being the scum.

However, when the time comes that can be dealt with. Getting these OTHER ones through is going to be harder and harder to do each day. So, I want it done now.

Hell I thought Toog was scum but I wanted to wait on that death until he put on his twirly moustache BECAUSE getting dana dead NEEDS to happen early.

[SpyreX]

No no no no.

In the before times, he said of Toog and Fate that they were either BOTH town or scum together.

Toog then flipped town. Thus, as per his original statement, Fate would be town.

But, then, a wagon doth approach and you get that hop on vote.

And yea reads change etc, etc but that fast in this game with that activity? Hells to the no.

[SpyreX]

As for what you posted Fate, I messed up. I thought I said it was a T v.s. S or a S v.s. S. I was wrong. Let me ask you this, what motivation does Scum have to do something like this?

No way.

No way was:

To be honest, I only see this situation from both of them.
They are both Town.
They are both Scum on the same team.

That somehow a mysterious typo that meant one is town and one is scum.

NO.

[SpyreX]

You need to vote bunny

Like this

Unvote, Vote: Bunny

[SpyreX]

I JUST DID IT FOR YOU

[SpyreX]

Ohh then you're fine.

[SpyreX]

Spy, who do I trust out of Group 1?

If the answer isn't AV (or trick question D: no one) then you know something I don't.

Although a scum flip here maaay help bobs some.

[SpyreX]

This is the Fate I love.

(additionally I don't understand the chess-hate at all)

[SpyreX]

If I thought chess was scum and was nukin' ho you're damn right that failsafe wouldn't phase me. 1-1 is awesome.

[SpyreX]

YES

YESSSS

Nuke: Snake

And since yea:
Sub
Airbase
Esp
Silo

[SpyreX]

WELP IF WE CANT DO IT THE FUN WAY LETS PARTY OLD SCHOOL

Unvote: Vote: Dana

[SpyreX]

inHim, you're a good man.

We're gonna go places.

[SpyreX]

GOD WHAT HAPPENED IN HERE

Jesus thats a pair of bad nukes. Real bad.

And nuking fate when he can't retaliate? BAD FORM.

COWARDLY FORM.

[SpyreX]

Yes, bad and cowardly being nice adjectives to describe scummy.

Although Socio STILL makes me feel town and thus just scummy town (not to be confused with Kat who might as well have just claimed)

[SpyreX]

The chance of Snake nuke getting revoked: -3%

[SpyreX]

Well that's me about to get incinerated then... For the record I'm deploying Fighters and thus far I have Reconn'd Fate who has is a missile silo and Chess who is defensively deploying. If no abort is hit, then lynch Fate and SpyreX

This many alive and you managed to pick two targets who as of this post had posted what they've done?

NOICE.

[SpyreX]

Yes its passive = defensive.

Doesn't change anything.

[SpyreX]

Sociopath come on now be a helper.

[SpyreX]

I still wish you'd reconsider on inHim socio that's gonna be a bad nuke I can feel it in my bones.

Cash money is on some of those leaks being snake.

Kat needs to be 3 craters for trying to turn THAT into Fate being scum.

(Additionally we can get all Sherlock Holmes and probably find some probable leads if snake is scum)

(snake is scum)

[SpyreX]

Huh, I forgot kit was in this game.

Nukes there fine.

[SpyreX]

Holy hell this page is the best page.

Percy, Jack, you're both town and awesome.

STILL not stoppping my nuke though.

Jack I think your code falls apart with a U in play. Some version of random letters OR a connection to a letter in the name?

[SpyreX]

With the bussing comments and the stop bussing me there HAS to be a clear cut one in the analysis.

God, I'm going to have to really look at the VC's.

----

The START fits but U?

And yea bob can die.

It looks like a PR claim COULD do more good than harm.

And as stupid as it feels, I don't want Socio to recall it now, JIC.

[SpyreX]

AurorusVox (1) - Jack
Mina (0)
bobsnox (0)

Bunnylover

(0)
chesskid3 (0)
danakillsu (5) - Faraday, Fate, SpyreX, DizzyIzzyB13,

Internet Stranger

Faraday (0)
Fate (5) -

Toogeloo

, chesskid3,

Bunnylover

, danakillsu, Katsuki
DizzyIzzyB13 (0)

Internet Stranger

(1) - bobsnox
Jack (0)
SnakePlissken (3) - SocioPath, AurorusVox,

RedCoyote

Katsuki (0)
Kitoari (0)
Percy (0)

RedCoyote

(0)
SocioPath (0)
SpyreX (0)

Toogeloo

(0)
inhimshallibe (0)

Not voting (5) - Mina, SnakePlissken, Kitoari, Percy, inhimshallibe

-----

AurorusVox (2) - Jack, Percy
Mina (0)
bobsnox (0)

Bunnylover

(1) - inhimshallibe
chesskid3 (0)
danakillsu (5) - Faraday, SpyreX, DizzyIzzyB13,

Internet Stranger

, Kitoari
Faraday (0)
Fate (5) -

Toogeloo

, chesskid3,

Bunnylover

, danakillsu, Katsuki
DizzyIzzyB13 (0)

Internet Stranger

(1) - bobsnox
Jack (1) - AurorusVox
SnakePlissken (2) - SocioPath,

RedCoyote

Katsuki (0)
Kitoari (0)
Percy (0)

RedCoyote

(0)
SocioPath (0)
SpyreX (0)

Toogeloo

(1) - Fate
inhimshallibe (0)

Not voting (2) - Mina, SnakePlissken

-----

AurorusVox (1) - Percy
Mina (1) -

Toogeloo

bobsnox (2) -

Internet Stranger

, Katuski

Bunnylover

(1) - inhimshallibe
chesskid3 (0)
danakillsu (3) - Faraday, SpyreX, Kitoari
Faraday (0)
Fate (2) -

Bunnylover

, danakillsu
DizzyIzzyB13 (1) - chesskid3

Internet Stranger

(1) - bobsnox
Jack (1) - AurorusVox
SnakePlissken (1) -

RedCoyote

Katsuki (1) - Faraday
Kitoari (0)
Percy (0)

RedCoyote

(0)
SocioPath (0)
SpyreX (0)

Toogeloo

(4) - Fate, Jack, SocioPath, DizzyIzzyB13
inhimshallibe (0)

Not voting (2) - Mina, SnakePlissken

-----

AurorusVox (0)
Mina (0)
bobsnox (1) -

Internet Stranger

Bunnylover

(1) - inhimshallibe
chesskid3 (1) Percy
danakillsu (1) - Faraday
Faraday (0)
Fate (2) -

Bunnylover

, danakillsu
DizzyIzzyB13 (0)

Internet Stranger

(1) - bobsnox
Jack (0)
Katsuki (1) - Faraday
Kitoari (0)
Percy (0)

RedCoyote

(0)
SnakePlissken (1) -

RedCoyote

SocioPath (0)
SpyreX (0)

Toogeloo

(10) - Fate, Jack, SocioPath, DizzyIzzyB13, Mina, Katsuki, SpyreX, chesskid3, AurorusVox, SnakePlissken
inhimshallibe (0)

Not voting (2) -

Toogeloo

, Kitoari

-----

AurorusVox (0)
Mina (0)
bobsnox (1) -

Internet Stranger

Bunnylover

(1) - inhimshallibe
chesskid3 (1) Percy
danakillsu (1) - Faraday
Faraday (0)
Fate (1) -

Bunnylover

DizzyIzzyB13 (0)

Internet Stranger

(1) - bobsnox
Jack (0)
Katsuki (1) - Faraday
Kitoari (0)
Percy (0)

RedCoyote

(0)
SnakePlissken (1) -

RedCoyote

SocioPath (0)
SpyreX (0)

Toogeloo

(11) - Fate, Jack, SocioPath, DizzyIzzyB13, Mina, Katsuki, SpyreX, chesskid3, AurorusVox, SnakePlissken, danakillsu
inhimshallibe (0)

Not voting (2) -

Toogeloo

, Kitoari

(LYNCH D1)

-----

AurorusVox (0)
Mina (0)
bobsnox (1) -

Internet Stranger

Bunnylover

(1) - Fate
chesskid3 (4) - DizzyIzzyB13, Mina, AurorusVox, Percy
danakillsu (2) - Spyrex, SocioPath
Faraday (0)
Fate (2) - danakillsu, SnakePlissken
DizzyIzzyB13 (1) - Katsuki

Internet Stranger

(1) - bobsnox
Jack (0)
Katsuki (1) - Faraday
Kitoari (0)
Percy (0)

RedCoyote

(0)
SnakePlissken (1) -

RedCoyote

SocioPath (0)
SpyreX (0)
inhimshallibe (0)

Not voting (4) -

Bunnylover

, Jack, Kitoari, inhimshallibe

-----

AurorusVox (1) - Jack
Mina (0)
bobsnox (1) -

Internet Stranger

Bunnylover

(10) - Fate, SocioPath, AurorusVox,

Internet Stranger

, danakillsu, inHimshallibe, SpyreX, bobsnox, Kitoari, Faraday
chesskid3 (3) - DizzyIzzyB13, Mina, Percy
danakillsu (0)
Faraday (0)
Fate (1) - SnakePlissken
DizzyIzzyB13 (1) - Katsuki
inHimshallibe (0)

Internet Stranger

(0)
Jack (0)
Katsuki (0)
Kitoari (0)
Percy (0)

RedCoyote

(0)
SnakePlissken (1) -

RedCoyote

SocioPath (0)
SpyreX (0)

Not voting (1) -

Bunnylover

(Lynch D2)

-----

AurorusVox (2) - Jack, Percy
bobsnox (0)
chesskid3 (0)
danakillsu (3) - SpyreX, Fate, bobsnox
DizzyIzzyB13 (1) - chesskid3
Faraday (0)
Fate (0)
Jack (0)
Katsuki (0)
Kitoari (0)
Mina (0)
Percy (0)
SnakePlissken (0)
SocioPath (0)
SpyreX (0)

Not voting (9) - AurorusVox, danakillsu, DizzyIzzyB13, Faraday, Katsuki, Kitoari, Mina, SnakePlissken, SocioPath

[SpyreX]

Thoughts for bussing:

danakillsu

(5) - Faraday, Fate, SpyreX,

DizzyIzzyB13

, Internet Stranger

SnakePlissken

(3) - SocioPath,

AurorusVox

, RedCoyote

chesskid3

(4) -

DizzyIzzyB13

, Mina, AurorusVox, Percy

chesskid3

(3) -

DizzyIzzyB13

, Mina, Percy

danakillsu

(3) - SpyreX, Fate,

bobsnox

Other note:

Kit had almost nothing D1 and needs to die post haste.

[SpyreX]

Ohhhh if you can give something hard and fast for that I'm down. Because, that's like christmas if its the bus.

[SpyreX]

God I didn't even notice that in looking at it.

If I were to meta that YEA I'd put money on it being Socio / me.

And it aint me.

We need some more nukes up ins.

[SpyreX]

If Fate wasn't awesome that WOULD be awesome

[SpyreX]

You think AGM will be up?

I'll stay up and get IRL WIFE HATE to see that flip tonight.

(Yes, I will be awake and the nuclear holocaust will begin ON TIME. --AGM)

[SpyreX]

I, grimlock, am waiting because AGM is awesome.

I DID THIS. I MADE IT HAPPEN.

(The murder, not the awesome that happened later).

[SpyreX]

YOUVE GOTTA BE KIDDING ME

I STAYED UP FOR THAT

[SpyreX]

I would have made arguments more about inhim being town but WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE CLAIMING SCUM, MAKING UP VOODOO AND CHECKING FATE AND CHESS MEANS YES SIR GONNA BE TOWN UP INS.

I AM A BROKEN SHELL

[SpyreX]

There should be more nukes around.

We should see their glory.

[SpyreX]

Jack is talking sense.

Although IF inhim is scum that would paint a different color on things.

Of course, inhim IS town so thats not really a concern.

----

Socio, its not JUST a claim. Fate isn't dead. SOMEONE made that happen.

[SpyreX]

There is high reward if inHim flips Russian battleship, sure.

However, there's been no counter and with people arguing to NOT DO IT there'd sure be one.

Which means, all but guaranteed, inHim is the battleship.
Additionally, as per nukes working and not working, the battleship has protected Fate.

Now, lets assume he's Russian.

No WAY you're gonna randomly protect a town under the "If I get nuked AND they get nuked AND there's doesn't go through when I flip they'll get lynched whoo hoo free mislynch"

No, you're gonna protect a buddy. And AND in the scenario as its went keep your mouth shut because if that nuke doesn't get recalled you're down two sputniks.

[SpyreX]

There will be another scum dead today.

TWO if NUKES WOULD COOPERATE.

[SpyreX]

Thats what I'm SAYING Fate.

It makes no sense for inHim as scum to have both OBVIOUSLY protected you AND admit it.

[SpyreX]

I'm not gonna be alive tomorrow.

And if I am, no way in hell anyone gets my nuke.

[SpyreX]

Damnit Fate I believed in miracles.

Unvote, Vote: Fate

[SpyreX]

What?

Seriously, what?

Pretty sure all along I've been pretty damn clear that Fate is scum if inHim was.

Only difference is I didn't think inHim was.

No one else wants to nuke and be helpers so this is what we get.

[SpyreX]

In multiball with nukes you're actually making the argument that a scum doctor didn't protect a partner?

[SpyreX]

And Fate wasn't a pretty clear protect choice if he's a buddy?

The whole where this fell apart was you nuking inhim the same day.

That makes a whole lore more sense then PROTECT TOWN FOR LULZ

+6 years or -3 batmans doesn't change that.

Of course with the song and dance that has been this game who knows.

[SpyreX]

Mina may be scum.

[SpyreX]

I DID GO DOWN THAT ROAD

Wait.

Did I screw up the order? I thought your nuke was before the other nukes and already failed.

[SpyreX]

So, you're assuming the nuke will be stopped but that inHim did it to town-fate for lulz.

Alright. Glad we're clear.

I'm officially sheeping Percy until he's dead tonight because no one makes any sense.

(And I thought about it and I'm probably not dead tonight)

[SpyreX]

So, until that time.

Unvote.

[SpyreX]

Maybe I'm missing it again but:

We can discuss who to nuke later.

Right now we need to focus on what mislynch we should get, because Fate's wagon might actually be viable

and then we can save Rogue's role for someone else.

Maybe its tired / bias but this sure reads like "We need to focus on who to get mislynched because Fate (our partner) may actually be lynched"

Which would make sense with the battleship protect because that would stop the lynch?

[SpyreX]

6 scum left:

AurorusVox
bobsnox

chesskid3

danakillsu
DizzyIzzyB13
Faraday
Fate

Jack

Kitoari
Mina

Percy

SocioPath

SpyreX

That I'm pretty confident about now. Of the remainder I dont even know. Mina / Faraday/Dizzy for the last towns?

Yea I just said Mina may be scum but if bobs IS scum then doubtful.

[SpyreX]

Ok. Look at all the surprise.

Faraday needs more the Kat shot was easy money for either before I'm confident.

[SpyreX]

This does bring up an interesting change for the next defcon - allowing the nuke timer to be waived so party time can happen.

[SpyreX]

Assuming that ALL of those aren't junk - who's even remotely "under the radar" now?

[SpyreX]

I'm ASSUMING that but that caught me as a "huh, who IS under the radar?" kinda thing.

[SpyreX]

Kit needs to be come the dead, right quick, yes.

[SpyreX]

If thats not a joke and it better not be Dizzy just put on the shades.

Now its cruise control for cool time.

[SpyreX]

Jesus.

Kit is F--. Town.

Percy is still town - even if you're still missing the matyr business being a giant red flag on Snake and I regret nothing.

This new leakage is awesome on the most awesome of levels.

[SpyreX]

The fuck is this?

EITHER WAY:

Let's kill Sociopath and eliminate a scumteam.

POR FA-VORRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Gut call. The series of events, and the failure therein, make far more sense from a town than a scum.

What nukes are still in the air? One on dana and?

[SpyreX]

Not nukes. Nukes DANA.

No matter WHAT that flip is the net is good.

And with scum turning into radioactive mush that's not gonna be a help.

[SpyreX]

Blublublublu

I still stand by the green reads.

[SpyreX]

Sure I'll give you reads on everyone.

I'll admit I haven't been as much of a presence and its reallllly dawning on me its probably time to cut way back on the mafia because I've crossed that line of "taking it easy" to "not caring".

BUT, sure:

AurorusVox - Null, so up against the wall.
chesskid3 - Town. I don't see with the decimation going "IM THE FAILSAFE WOO" being a help.
danakillsu - Scum. This whole game has been /fate EMO. Due to Fate being russian I could see this as the most back-assward busslapping Russian sooo I'll say probably that way.
DizzyIzzyB13 - Scum. Thought process and elimination would say Chinese but in the case of a dana flip it could go either way.
Faraday - The fence. Town-leaning due to his nuke.
Fate - Russian scum. Seriously, if it weren't for inHims SAYING it and we simply saw Fate not die AND inHim flip Russian Battleship well gee.
Jack - Town. The analysis is too riding the edge otherwise.
Kitoari - Town. BAD town, but town.
Mina - I don't like the defensive nukes idea but I can see it. Town although up against the wall in the event of other things being wrong.
Percy - Ridiculously town.
SocioPath - Town. The only scenario where that kind of gung ho makes sense as scum is if he KNEW inHim was scum via Espeonage. In which case with the flips we have he'd have to have nuked his own partner. Yeee-haw.

So, I'm betting on:

Chinese - Kat, Bob, Dizzy.
Russian - inHim, Fate, Dana.

AV is a solid backup either way.

Further, since its clear Percy isn't living:

Percy, tell me who you want nuked tomorrow. Its yours. If you say me, I'll freaking do it.

[SpyreX]

From the nine whopping posts. I mean, I thought gan was town but jesus.

I forgot dana has claimed that. Swap dana and dizzy.

[SpyreX]

Then she stopped posting AND you made me go looking at it. It goes back and forth. I could sheep Percy on AV and see where that leads.

Russian I think was in relation to Kat flipping Chinese? Hell, I don't remember.

Mina COULD be other scum but with so many I find it doubtful after Bobs flipping scum.

AV claimed? Jesus.

[SpyreX]

Guess I should pay more attention to the words.

That would be HILARIOUS if he is scum and thus Jack is.

But that doesn't make sense.

[SpyreX]

I still don't get the Fate-clean there Jack.

What am I missing.

[SpyreX]

IF, AV Russian / Dizzy Russian then Fate - town sure.

Maybe?

I mean, I want them all dead and I don't really care about the order much.

The only one that wigs ME out is Fate in this mess.

[SpyreX]

Yea, I thought it was pretty straight: inHim-town pointed REAL hard at socio being scum. inHim-scum pointed REAL hard at Fate being scum.

I even said as much somewhere?

[SpyreX]

If by "dropped" you mean "didn't waste my breath because I in fact have a nuke" sure.

[SpyreX]

Pushing for the "kill percy to eat his powers" isn't awesome.

Ohhh and I remembered the logic behind Russian if you care wooo

[SpyreX]

It went like this:

Kat nuked Fate, Kat flipped Chinese.
IF inHim is scum he's protecting a partner.
Fate didn't die and was targeted by Chinese.

Thus, for inHim to be scum UNLESS they're nuking each other all pants-on-head like, he'd have to be Russian with Fate.

[SpyreX]

Kat flipped Chinese BEFOREZ or AFTERZ you made these crazy statements and suspicions?

After.

"Kito is too dumb4scummmm *Drool*"
"Inhim protects Fate, inhim was scum 1+1=*drolll durrr*"
"I dropped it cuz i haz nuke"
"percy is cool hey nuke4me please"

HURF

Kit is that special brand of town-scum.
AND YES 1+1= DEATH
AND YES I NUKED THE GUY I SAID I WANTED DEAD FOREVER
AND YES PERCY WHO IS DEAD TONIGHT TAKING MY SHOT ISNT A TERRIBLE IDEA

Jesus. I am playing sloppy, but not retarded.

[SpyreX]

Christ.

[SpyreX]

FATE

Come hammer with me.

So we can embrace upon the morrow.

Unvote, Vote: Dizzy

[SpyreX]

You've still got time.

You can control my nuke.

I've given it to you.

[SpyreX]

Ohh man we better not be timid with the nukes tomorrow.

And yea I'm fully expecting to get nuked.

[SpyreX]

About the nukes?

Forcing either mode is bad mojo. Especially as we near the end where a couple defensive nukes can save the day.

It's minor though. For now.

[SpyreX]

Better get with the words.

I've got an itchy trigger finger.

[SpyreX]

I'll nuke AV if it comes to it.

However, once again, I'm gonna need some serious reason to not lynch Fate because, well.

[SpyreX]

See therein lies a probalo.

I could justify nuking almost anyone at this point.

The ones that I'd be LEAST likely to nuke at this moment in time would be Jack and Chess.

[SpyreX]

I GAVE YOU THEM AND WE KNOW TODAY ENDS WITH US HOLDING EACH OTHER GOING INTO THE FLAMES IN OUR ETERNAL EMBRACE

SO DONT PLAY LIKE THAT WITH ME MR

AND I STILL HAVENT NUKED YOU SO YOU CAN GET YOUR WORDS

Or, I'll remove reference to the nuking and say it thus:

I've got enough paranoia about two said most town reads (Jack and Chess) that I COULD see them being scum. Yet, they are my biggest ones.

[SpyreX]

THEN YOU ARE ASKING A LOT WITH WHATS LEFT

AurorusVox - Scumball, MD
chesskid3 - Town
Faraday - Non-entityyyyy and I don't like it.
Fate - Scumball, Ph.D
Jack - Shouldn't be alive but still probably town.
Kitoari - 2dumb4scum isn't for living.
Mina - Paranoia HOOO
SpyreX - Is dead today and we all know it.

[SpyreX]

I'll never understand, even if I'm wrong, how no one bats an eye at the scum doctor protecting Fate.

But, thankfully, I dont have to ask for votes. As long as AV dies, we know where I'm going.

[SpyreX]

The hell do you mean "pushing"

Barring an act of god I'm nuking you.

And I'm fully expecting to get nuked.

Sooo

[SpyreX]

Fate's played a good game.

Meta has nothing to do with it, because meta never does.

HOWEVER, that doesn't change the "IF THE SKY WERE GREEN INSTEAD OF BLUE, WOULDN"T MARSHMELLOWS TASTE LIKE BUTTER?"

Because, still, the idea of "Ohh, the scum doc protected not scum under the guise of framing them" which would require a.) the person to OBVIOUSLY be protected and b.) THE SCUM DOC TO DIE JESUS is a bad one.

And, as long as FOR SURE AV ALSO DIES he's getting nuked.

[SpyreX]

And the above shows my paranoia ohh so well.

"But gee, WHAT IF the power roles didn't do what they did would it be different?"

[SpyreX]

Not sure.

Fate + Mina Russia / AV Chinese?

Does that make sense with all the leaks?

[SpyreX]

He cant?

[SpyreX]

WOOO

Reading is fundamental.

I thought that said does not include the whole time YESSS

[SpyreX]

Tick tock clarice

[SpyreX]

This sure looks like a long bomb for freedom.

WHEN JACK DOESNT FLIP SCUM THIS IS F--

BUT, I can agree to the idea of Armageddon.

HOWEVER THE HELL I AM LETTING MINA BE QUEEN BEE ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING

JESUS EVEN HER LAST POST.

PART ONE IS WE DONT DO ANYTHING UNTIL THIS NUKE LANDS. SERIOUSLY.

If we're looking for A townread AND NOW YOU HAVE DONE KILLED ONE AND WANT TO USE THE OTHER AS A DAMN MINE DETECTOR WELLL SHIT.

IF I AM NOT "ALLOWED" TO NUKE YOU FATE YOU ARE DEAD BEFORE I THROW MYSELF INTO THE MAW

[SpyreX]

Seriously I MANAGED TO FIGHT THE URGE TO DO IT RIGHT NOW

[SpyreX]

No, I'm dead today.

You're just dead first.

MAYBE if jack turns up scum we can talk because at that point it can't possibly be you, mina and AV.

BUT WHEN THAT DOESNT HAPPEN

[SpyreX]

THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

YOU, THE SCUM, JUST WENT MINA SHOULD SURVIVE

HUH, MYSTERY HOW THAT WORKS.

AND LOOK MINA IS CALLING OUT FUCKING FARADAY TO NUKE AV

HUH MORE MYSTERIES

[SpyreX]

God TWICE I deleted nuking you.

TWICE.

[SpyreX]

Actually I've got a sinking suspicion.

MINA,

HEAR ME

NUKE ME

RIGHT THE HELL NOW

[SpyreX]

THEN LETS AGREE SHE GETS TO NUKE ME TO SHOW SHE DOESNT HAVE SOME FUNNY BUSINESS GOING ON

[SpyreX]

When she nukes me, I'm nuking you.

Then we turn into slag.

ONCE ALL THOSE FLIPS HAPPEN IT MIGHT DONE MAKE SOME MORE SENSE WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN

----

WELL NO WORRIES I MEAN I'M SCUM AND ONLY SCUM WOULD BE IN DMODE RITE?

SO NUKING ME IS TWO FOR ONE RITE RITE

[SpyreX]

Chess, for the record, you're still town as town and the simple fact you're supposed to be mine detector REALLY MAKES ME THRILLED.

BUT OF COURSE THIS HAS TO HAPPEN FIRST.

[SpyreX]

The combination of survivor plan + defensive mode IS THE LONG BOMB.

THERE IS NO LONG TERM BECAUSE ITS PRETTY DAMN APPARENT TODAY IS THE END TIMES

[SpyreX]

Jesus why couldn't you have just nuked me so I could have nuked you and made this simple.

OHHH THATS RIGHT

[SpyreX]

LOLSCUM ALL YOU WANT IT DOESNT MATTER SINCE I AM DEAD TODAY

IF EVEN A PART OF ARMAGEDDON GOES OFF AND YOU FLIP SCUM AND A CHUCKLEHEAD GOES OHH BETTER NUKE MINA AND IT DOESNT WORK IT ALL GETS BLOWN THE ASS UP.

EVERY BIT.

OR, GOD FORBID THE REMNANTS FOLLOW IT.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter.

The last part can only happen when you and I are dead and there's no OHHH NOES.

SO, SOMEONE NUKE ME

LOOK, I AM NOT IN DEFENSIVE

NUKE: FATE

SEEE

THERE MINA YOUR OBVTOWN FATE IS DEAD, BETTER COME AND DO YOUR DUTY

NO EXCUSES.

[SpyreX]

LIKE I SAID YESTERDAY WE BOTH DIE TODAY.

LETS SEE WHO GIVES WHO THE CUP OF APOLOGIES WHEN THE FLIPS HAPPEN

[SpyreX]

AND THERE BETTER BE ONE AND ONLY ONE MORE NUKE FLYING SOON.

AND IT BETTER BE RIGHT HERE.

AND IT BETTER BE FROM MINA.

[SpyreX]

Whatever it takes.

Now, FOR SURE, I better get nuked.

Because Fate is right. I did capriciously change my mind within an hour?

So YOU HAVE TO KNOW.

[SpyreX]

THATS RIGHT.

BECAUSE WE KNOW I AM NOT RECALLING MINE.

[SpyreX]

AND DONT RUN OUT OF NUKES.

AV HAS TO DIE.

IT SHOULD BE READILY APPARENT IN ABOUT 72 LONG, LONG HOURS MINA WILL TOO BUT

[SpyreX]

Seriously we need some kind of "I, the nuker, am not recalling it." AND "I, the nuked, am fine with being nuke LETS PARTY HARD"

[SpyreX]

THE HELL DOWNFALL.

I WANT TO DIE.

WHO AM I PROTECTING FATE

WHO IS IT

CHESSKID? WOOO NELLY

[SpyreX]

OF ALL THINGS YOU ARE CALLING ME RECKLESS AND SAYING THAT IS THE SCUM MOVE

MR WHO ARE THE TOWNREADS JACK OHH LETS THROW THAT NUKE DOWN

MAN OH MAN

[SpyreX]

WHAT AM I A TIMID BUTTERFLY

OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT ME NUKING YOU WAS IN ANY FASHION A SURPRISE

AND WELL SEE ONCE THE CARDS FALL

[SpyreX]

OVER DEALING WITH PERCY AND OR SOCIOPATH WHO WOULD UPON MY FLIP GO OOOHHH SNAP MAYBE HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH?

AND WITH THE ADDITION OF THEM BEING UNDER WAY LESS SCRUTINY?

COME ON NOW WE BOTH KNOW YOU ARE BETTER THAN THAT.

[SpyreX]

BESIDES IF I AM ALL LOLSCUM WHY THE HELL DIDNT YOU NUKE ME

I WOULD BE THE RUSSIAN IN THAT SCENARIO MAKING THE GAME MANAGABLE WITHOUT NUKES TODAY.

IN FACT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PRETTY EASY MODE VICTORY IF I WAS SCUM

BUT NO INSTEAD ITS JACK

[SpyreX]

THIS IS A LOVERS QUARREL YOU GO TO YOUR ROOM WITHOUT SUPPER

[SpyreX]

IF YOU WERE SURE I WAS SCUM AND AV BEING SCUM YOU COMING OUT NUKING ME AND ME FLIPPING RUSSIAN SURE AS HELL ISNT A BUS MOVE

SO, THEN YOU PUT THE BIATCH IN LOCKDOWN AND LET ONLY ONE MORE NUKE (AV) FLY AND LYNCH JACK.

IF THAT IS WHAT YOU THOUGHT IT WAS

BUT YOU DONT BECAUSE YOU KNEW.

AND NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER EVER EVER WOULD SEEING A SCUM DOC FLIP AFTER HE HAD BEEN MAKING OUT WITH YOU IN THE DARKNESS BE UNJUSTIFIED PARANOIA.

[SpyreX]

Thats so serious it gets real words:

Even IF I am wrong about you, there is NO WAY that the thought process was unjustified.

None.

[SpyreX]

Mina absolutely 100% will nuke me and not take it off.

That WILL happen. Regardless of what else does.

IN FACT, I WILL MAKE YOU A DEAL:

ONCE SHE NUKES ME, I WILL STOP POSTING IN THE THREAD UNLESS I NEED TO GO "PROD PROD DODGE DONT REPLACE THE DEAD"

BECAUSE, AT THAT POINT, IT WILL BE DONE.

[SpyreX]

I HAVE PUT ALL THE MONEY ON YOU BEING SCUM AND MINA'S NEW INFATEUATION (BAZING) BETTER NOT BE A TOWN WITH SPARKLY EYES.

SO AV PLUS THE YOUNG LOVERS IS GAME.

IF I AM WRONG KEEPING MY MOUTH SHUT IS PROBABLY BETTER THAN TRYING TO BE A HELEPER

[SpyreX]

I SAID IF JACK IS SCUM THEN IT CAN BE AND WE COULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT

BUT NO

THAT WAS NOT OUR FATE.

NOT TODAY.

[SpyreX]

NUKE ME

RIGHT NOW

[SpyreX]

IF YOU READ THE THREAD OVER NIGHT WHY DIDNT YOU DO THE POST

WHY WAFFLE

DO IT.

MY DEATH SURE WOULD MAKE THE SPY/ FARADAY CONUNDRUM EASY TO SOLVE

[SpyreX]

See this Jack?

The "Chinese" one?

TOWN THROUGH AND THROUGH FATE YOU KNOW IT

[SpyreX]

Faraday (nuke active)
chesskid
AurorusVox
Mina
Kitoari (nuke active)

OHH WHAT ISNT THERE

MYSTERIES

AND NOTHING ABOUT JACK