Sorry?Locke Lamora wrote:Right, in everyone's first post, I want to know how familiar everyone is with LoTR.Why?
I've only seen the movies but I know how to use wikipedia.
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For winning as scum in Supernatural Mafia.
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There was another reason?Locke Lamora wrote:Why are people assuming my question was only to get discussion started?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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That is a interesting point.Katy wrote:
The questionnaire isn't scummy, but like I said, it doesn't really add anything beyond Locke Lamora's original question and because now everyone's going to be talking about the books and the movies and what they like and what's their favorite, it distracts from getting to the point where we really start playing the game and if he's scum, it gives all his scum buddies something really safe to post so they don't draw votes right away.VasudeVa wrote: So, his RQS questionnaire isn't game related. So? Is there such a thing as a scummy questionnaire?
I think its a valid point. So why did you ask those questions? Couldn't you have asked that in the queue thread, why wait until the game thread?Wraith wrote:
If this is meant to be a serious vote,Katy wrote:Vote: Wraith
While the initial question was a good way to get conversation going, putting it into questions like you did doesn't really add anything new, and encourages people to go into detail about how much they like LOTR instead of starting to play the game.IGMEOY Katy. People who nitpick early posts and use them to start bandwagons are often scum.
Agreed. RC claimed miller in supernatural and he later flipped cult. And I see nothing in the flavor (from wikipedi) that would make Arwen a miller.SlySly wrote:
Claiming miller with the first post of the game seems to be the accepted norm around these parts. I hate the miller role being played that way as that approach has given scum on this site a free pass fake claim with their first post of the game and it also encourages millers to lurk.zwetschenwasser wrote:I'm Arwen, a miller for some unknown reason. I've read the books and watched the movies.vote: gandalf
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Maybe interesting isn't the right word. What I meant is...that its something to keep in mind 'cause really I don't see his day play as pro-town so far.MemoriaEsponia wrote:
What about that quote that makes it an interesting post?Nero Cain wrote:That is a interesting point.
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for the most part I find meta a null tell. If a player does something over and over (like fakeclaim) just 'cause they flip town doesn't mean that they haven't received a scum role this time. He said he'd provide flavor and I'd like to hear it.jenniwren wrote:Nero: Nothing Zwet claims should ever be taken seriously. VV linked to the Castlevania game as proof. (Zwet, VV, LMP, Katsuki, and I were all in that game together, and MoI was the back-up mod.) On D1 Zwet claimed Townie Lyncher (false) named Jonathan Morris (true). He later fake-claimed being a cop with a guilty verdict on the claimed tracker, who was summarily lynched. Zwet was not a lyncher, a jester, or scum, and he confessed his crime of fakeclaiming only after the hammer fell.
Most of us in that game have at this point referenced it already, so it kind of makes your post about Zwet's claim (and no mention of what anyone else has said) look like you're not paying attention, or that you're just trying to look active. Either way, bad.
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Glork's 142 makes sense and I understand it but the opposite is just as possible.Hey everybody if I come up guilty its NOT 'cause I'm scum but a miller.While I doubt a scum could win the game based on a fake miller claim they could certianly skate by for a few days. But to be fair to Zwet he did admit to fake claiming long before he was hammered. But in that same game you used your RVS vote on your scum buddy. Did you do it this game as well? So here's aTHEROYYou and Zwet are scumbuddies. Zwet fake claims miller 'cause you know that b/c of his past he woun't get lynched.
but other than that strange lil' theory I don't find you scummy.
Or maybe 'cause I wanted Wraith to answer my question first. BTW thank you for no selling my question to you in ISO #1. I'm sorry that I find Zwet the scummiest?Locke Lamora wrote:Unvote; Vote: Nero Cain
Don't like the timing of that vote at all. Seems like he avoided voting Zwet in the first place, suspicion didn't really take off because multiple people said 'it's just Zwet, ignore him' and so he then pressed on with the vote to try and build Zwet pressure.
I think ME's Gandalf attack is pretty much just SSBF taking things too literally. As far as I remember, I get the impression he takes everything quite seriously when he plays.
I know the feeling. I'm scum if I shamelessly banwagon and I'm also scum if I vote for who I think is scum.Wraith wrote: According to this logic, I'm scum if I vote, and I'm also scum if I don't. Love the lose-lose situation I'm in here.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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[/quote]But in that same game you used your RVS vote on your scum buddy.[/quote]
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Why?Locke Lamora wrote:Oh yes, I demand flavour for Zwet's claim.
I find it a bit hypocritical that you blast me for putting pressure on Zwet when you're doing the same thing.Locke Lamora wrote: suspicion didn't really take off because multiple people said 'it's just Zwet, ignore him' and so he then pressed on with the vote to try and build Zwet pressure.
This is a loaded question. Of course they have nothing to do with each other but I found both scummy and I wanted my question answered before I laid down my vote.Locke Lamora wrote: Why were you waiting for Wraith to answer your question before you voted for Zwet? What does one have to do with the other?
@ LMP-I don't like how you keep bashing Kat over putting herself/himself on his/her town list. Stop it!!! But I don't like the interaction with Wraith at all.If you don't bus you'll get lynched, but its quite ok if you bandwagon.
His/her list reeks of what GT did in Supernatural. On the list..
but you don't know who is town and who is scum unless...Katsuki wrote: In a game as large as this, it helps to find pro-town players as well. Early D1, when scum are doing their best to blend in, it is far easier to find who is town. It also helps narrow down the list later on.
Most importantly why do you feel Locke Lamora and jenniwren are town?
I find this extremely hypocritical coming from the player that refused to answer a questionnaire or explain their list.Katsuki wrote: I totally forgot to add you onto my scum list for trying to duck out of stuff...
and most importantly he/she more or less said he was scum in ISO #22 (and several other posts through the day), then wants a vig kill in #24 but waited until his BW built up and finally vote him in #33.
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Zwet is some kinda gambit.rewq455 wrote:I see no benefit to zwetschenwasser's claiming this early. Why are you claiming this early.
Also, I just got a feeling that Gandalf could have claimed as such, so someone else could come out and counter claim, giving the scum someone to choose and day vig. I am assuming that the killer of Haylen was scum because it was a kill on someone who there was nothing against.
Could Gandalf actually be Saran? Maybe he needs to eliminate the real Gandalf so he fake claimed Gandalf in hopes of being CC'ed.
Why is that? I think its definitely possible for scum to coach town and if Wraith is town (which he appears to be) then his flip makes Kat look town but you're saying that they both have to be scum for it be coaching so we'd reach the same desired affect by lynching Kat first. Why do you not want a Kat lynch?Edge wrote: 2. KATSUKI-COACHSCUM REQUIRES WRAITHSCUM. VOTE WRAITH ACCORDINGLY
very nice way to discredit my question/defend your scum buddy. Other than maybe Fate you two had the least game related content posts and I find it hard for someone to get a 100% town read off of so little . Now why are you afraid to let Kat explain your towness?jenniwren wrote: Hey Nero, why are you only asking Katsuki why LL and I are town...is it because we're the only two on her list that have votes on you right now?
1. But he's already claimed. How can you be looking for something fromLocke Lamora wrote:
1. With these kinds of things, it doesn't really work if you tell everyone what you're looking for before the player claims.Nero Cain wrote:
Why?Locke Lamora wrote:Oh yes, I demand flavour for Zwet's claim.
I find it a bit hypocritical that you blast me for putting pressure on Zwet when you're doing the same thing.Locke Lamora wrote: suspicion didn't really take off because multiple people said 'it's just Zwet, ignore him' and so he then pressed on with the vote to try and build Zwet pressure.
This is a loaded question. Of course they have nothing to do with each other but I found both scummy and I wanted my question answered before I laid down my vote.Locke Lamora wrote: Why were you waiting for Wraith to answer your question before you voted for Zwet? What does one have to do with the other?
2. It's got nothing to do with Zwet specifically. It's to do with you waiting to vote even though there was nothing from Zwet's slot between the two posts to change your read. You voted him for something that was true at the time he first claimed miller.
3. Perhaps you can enlighten me about your thought process. I didn't see you mention anything about whether you thought Wraith's response was satisfactory or not.BEFORE AFTERhe claims. I'm a simpleton so to me there's only two options: he's lying or he's telling truth. What the hell else could you be looking for?
2. I never said my read on Zwet changed. What I said and what you obviously didn't read is that I found both Zwet and Wraith scummy. Wraith only sounds scummy in his ISO #2.
3. IDK, I though the fact that I decided to vote Zwet instead of Wraith would been an indication.
Why doesn't that make sense? If you were to flip scum yeah I'd accuse LMP of distancing 'cause to be honest his reasoning is a little weak. Speculation of you and LMP distancing (both being on a scum list) makes perfect sense.Katsuki wrote:For the record, weirdra has LMP down for obvscum, yet also has me on that list.
Scumlist that doesn't make sense?
How does that help the town?Katsuki wrote:Why zwet vig tonight? I would much rather wraith. Zwet is not an immediate hindrance, and so long as he is ignored and taken care of before we get deep into the game, its all good.IFZwet his down he's just a distraction. A distraction only helps the scum. The fact you want the keep him around to provide a distraction to scum hunting is majorly scummy.
*checks watch*VasudeVa wrote: Katsuki is so obviously scum, I think I'll have to make a mega wall post in her honor.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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QFT.LynchMePls wrote: This is because Kat's lists are arbitrary, and not actually put together in any discernable fashion. That's my take on them ayways.
Ok then. I admit you have a valid point about inhim.jenniwren wrote: @Nero: Finally you answered.
You know, a shit ton of people have questioned Katsuki's list, but you're the only one who specifically questioned why the people voting for them and ONLY them were on it. I don't know where you got that I was "afraid to let Kat explain my towness." I didn't ask her to put me on the list, and she explained a few posts back, or otherwise I wouldn't know why she did.Nero_Cain wrote:
very nice way to discredit my question/defend your scum buddy. Other than maybe Fate you two had the least game related content posts and I find it hard for someone to get a 100% town read off of so little . Now why are you afraid to let Kat explain your towness?jenniwren wrote: Hey Nero, why are you only asking Katsuki why LL and I are town...is it because we're the only two on her list that have votes on you right now?
Also, very lame attempt to say you were only questioning those with the lowest post content because when the list was made, inHim, also on the list, had posted THREE times...once to confirm, once to answer questions, and once to call someone scum.
I've done lists when I've played-off site but they can be pretty anti-town as well. Hypothetically, Kat flips scum and I guarantee you folks will sayOh lets look at her list. Did she put the scum members under the town tag? Are the scum members even listed?Its all a bunch of WIFOM.
Your vote against me was crap.ZOMG, Nero isn't allowed to use his own mind and vote who he thinks is scum/is a distraction to the town.He's not doing what others tell him to do. SCUM, SCUM, SCUM!!!
Your ISO #5 was the definition of chainsaw defense.a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum. It was definitely an attempt to discredit a valid question by claiming it was an OMGUS 'cause you and Locke were voting me.
Kat said that you were town 'cause of meta. What meta? Provide links.
Are you the pot or the kettle?jenniwren wrote:
Nero and Rewq. I'll give you two of them.Glork wrote:Quick, Jenni, if you're still here!
Who are your top three scum candidates at this moment in time? Why?
Nero: Because the only people he questioned being on Kats' town list were people who had votes on him; his attempt to pass that off as questioning lurkers in his latest post is also BS because inHim had the fewest posts of anyone on the list; and finally, his overreaction to my question about his behavior indicates to me that he has something to hide
Rewq: Who has the uncanny and unremarkable ability to say everything that's already been said appears to be a disingenuous attempt to make everyone think he's legitimately scumhunting.
This is horrid. There's no way for a town player toKatsuki wrote: Flips will justify my list.knowwho will flip scum and who won't.
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1.) Oh wow, using my same words against me. If anyone's been over-defensive, hun, its you. I asked her to clarify her read on you. Then here you comejenniwren wrote:
1) So I can't use MY own mind and vote who I think is scum? My vote isn't crap, and it has resulted in an overdefensive reaction, which raises questions as to why you're so upset over a vote and some questions about your intentions. (BTW, if you notice, my vote on you isn't exactly following the herd, either.)Nero Cain wrote:I've done lists when I've played-off site but they can be pretty anti-town as well. Hypothetically, Kat flips scum and I guarantee you folks will sayOh lets look at her list. Did she put the scum members under the town tag? Are the scum members even listed?Its all a bunch of WIFOM.
Your vote against me was crap.ZOMG, Nero isn't allowed to use his own mind and vote who he thinks is scum/is a distraction to the town.He's not doing what others tell him to do. SCUM, SCUM, SCUM!!!
Your ISO #5 was the definition of chainsaw defense.a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum. It was definitely an attempt to discredit a valid question by claiming it was an OMGUS 'cause you and Locke were voting me.
Kat said that you were town 'cause of meta. What meta? Provide links.
2) Did you forget you were attackingme? A chainsaw defense is made on behalf of someone else; I was questioning you because you were attacking me. I was asking forMYbenefit, and it just so happened someone else was in the same position. It's an amazing coincidence to me that the only two people you specifically question being town on that list were people who were voting for you. Also, an OMGUS situation is one in which Person A attacks Person B because B first attacked A. I already had a vote on you when you questioned my alignment, and so from my standpoint, it appeared to be that you were questioning if I were town only because I had voted you--which would be the actual OMGUS situation if it is true.
3) If you want the meta Kats is talking about, you should ask Kats. I'm not a mind-reader. I didn't put myself on that list, she did, so how am I supposed to know why? Look up the Castlevania game in mini-themes; a lot of us were in that one: me, Kats, LMP, VV, Spyrex, and Zwet, to be exact; it might help you with reads on all of us, if you like. VV linked it earlier in the thread.
I'm also disinterested in the list as I think its arbitrary, but people make lists all the time; like you said, they won't matter until there are flips and then the real WIFOM will begin. Since you have said that it's WIFOM and will really only kick in when and if Kats flips scum, why spend time questioning who is on it now?Nero is asking about the two that's voting for him. HUGE SCUMTELL!!!Wich in turn lead me to ask you why you don't want me to ask that.
As per her second list, Glork, Katy and Mariyta seem town to me. I have no strong feelings about Fate or Inhim but I don't think they've played a anti-town game yet. Who does that leave on the list? Hence why I wanted to know why she thought you two were town. With such small samples I find it rather hard to understand why she has a town finger on you, but then again we are agreed that her list is arbitrary so I guess its a moot point.
You said her list arbitrary so do you think that is anti-town play? What are your feelings on Kat?
You also make a good point about Inhim what do you think of him and his list?
2.) How was that an attack on you? I'm asking her to clarify a "read". I'll talk about this more in a lil'. For the record, I never thought you or Locke were scummy. I don't agree with it. I'm disappointed that Glork and Gandalf got a pass for voting Zwet yet me and Rewq are scum for it. 'Cause I wasn't attacking you it deffo looks like a potential chainsaw.
3.) This one is answering your question...I'm pretty convinced Kat is scum so I wanted to put pressure on her so thats why I asked her to clarify two people that I don't see how she could really finger as town in hopes that she would scumslip.
I've heard this before and for the most part I agree, its not really chainsaw until Kat flips scum and even then it might not be.Glork wrote:EBWOP: Just skimmed Page 25 before I go to bed (no idea why the fuck I'm still up at 5am here), and the Jenn/Nero exchange gives me bad vibes about Nero.
On a semi-related note, <Insert Obligatory Chainsaw Defense Is Crap Statement Here>.
The "Chainsaw Defense" is one of the least accruate "tells" in Mafia, because any decent protown player *SHOULD* be pointing out and debunking terrible attacks. I swear to god, somebody uses this to go after a townie in virtually every game I play, and they still seem to think it's legit. It's a non-tell.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Indeed. Wich is why I believe Kat took VV and possibly Wraith off her list. Yes upon Kat scum flip we should deffiantly look at interactions but it would be dangerous to only look at her list/interactions 'cause we don't know that they are listed/had interactions with her. We will revisit this after flip.MemoriaEsponia wrote:
Katsuki flipping scum would not be entirely WIFOM. We would be able to analyze Katsuki-scum town/scum list/etc. list and then look at the interaction Katsuki had with those players. That can be a great way to find scums, because it leads to connection between Katsuki-scum and other scums in the game.Nero Cain wrote:Hypothetically, Kat flips scum and I guarantee you folks will say Oh lets look at her list. Did she put the scum members under the town tag? Are the scum members even listed? Its all a bunch of WIFOM.
Nero Cain wrote:I've heard this before and for the most part I agree, its not really chainsaw until Kat flips scum and even then it might not be.
I do not believe this is a contradiction. I did not change my original assumption that it feels like/looks like chainsaw. The way I interpreted Glork's post was that he was saying that I was premature in calling chainsaw.This quote is contradictory. You are saying that you mostly agree with what Glork said (That the chainsaw defense was a very inaccurate tell) and that even if Katsuki flipped scum, it may not be a chainsaw defense. Yet back in #598, you said that jenniwren's ISO #5 was the "definition of chainsaw defense". Any reason for the contradiction?
Your other head is voting Kat. How does this head feel about Kat?
Why not? If you feel strongly that player X is scum then how do you plan on convincing others that they are scum? Or do you just not care who gets lynched?Katsuki wrote:I also don't build giant walls of analysis/cases, just to make that clear to you guys.Mafia shouldn't be an essay writing contest imo.
'cause they are your scum buddies?SpyreX wrote: ACTUALLY, of those people with votes at the moment as per the below I'd be fine with all but Kat and Mari.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Mary was trying to make VV's case look invalid by claiming he was only going after her.
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Kats I have q. Jenni is lurking right now, does that change your read of her at all?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Hai guys. Look what I found...
At first I paid little attention to the Gandalf "slip" but this just has all kind of Klaxons going off.Bilbo Baggins wrote: 1.) The following is a sample mafia Win Condition:
I'm still confident in a Kat/Mari/Syprex group since Spyrex himself says mafia are 3-4.
I think Gandalf or Kat are the best lynches today.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I agree with this. He wasSpyreX wrote:Somethin tells me LMP died docing the wrong way.
Something about that says LMP was being AWESOME and:
Rewq, Maritya, Katsuki,Gandalf.
There's a scum in there.corruptedso it does sound like he used his doc skills to scum hunt. I felt like he was most worried about Mari and Kat.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I don't like this at all. I think the time to assume is more or less over, given we won't deff know until we lynch a member of the second scum team but I find a game with 2 vigs and a day killing SK or a game with a vig and day and night SK's to be, while not an impossible set up, highly doubtful.rewq455 wrote:Well,assumingthat there are 2 scum teams, both scum teams made a night kill, accounting for 2 deaths,
The flavor is the key. Gandalf wasMariyta wrote: Now the question is did he use his one-shot to scum hunt, as Nero suggests, or was he convinced someone was town and wanted to protect them?shot from afarI agree with whomever said this sounds like our vig kill.
ME wasfilled with arrows. You've said this is orc flavor so ok.
Drippethbleed to death. This sounds fairly sinister to me.
So, IMHO, ME and drip were the scum kills. Gandalf was vig kill.
LMP wascorrupted.
He even bread crummed that he would use his action. I think its pretty clear what happened.
I fail to see how her lists have anything to do with his suspicion of her.And I think I'll take a look at Kats's lists. Maybe LMP was on to something.
Glork wrote:One thing I doNOTlike is Nero's hypothesis that LMP used his ability to scumhunt. Targeting somebody you think is likely scum is, from one's own perspective, likely to get yourself killed.And without some kind of breadcrumbing(which I cannot find), that just doesn't make sense to me. Furthermore, I don't see how "corrupted" would indicate that LMP was looking for scum when he used his ability. Nero's reason to support going after Mari/Kats is rather artificial here.
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Did you like not read the thread before you posted?
RE: 929 Why is the RC head still stuck on day 1?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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ok.....SpyreX wrote:A+ for effort.
F-- for targets.
Lets swing in reality this time. Thanks for playing.
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Maybe I didn't make it clear what I meant. LMP was going after Kats b/c of putting herself on her list. Yes LMP, myself, Jenni and prolly a few others thought her list was arbitrary yes but none of us were going after them (people on her list) and there's no reason to until she flips scum. Maybe I can't explain it well enough but I don't see the point in going after list members when the main suspicion was on her, not the list members.Mariyta wrote:@Nero: What do Kats' lists have to do with LMP? He focused on them quite a bit. They were a large part of his case against her. It would be unwise to ignore them completely.
I find it quite rude that you call me an idiot when its you who can't fucking read. RC, who's on all the damn time, spent the entire 929 (aside from your vote on SlySly) commenting on day 1 posts.Edge wrote: What the fuck do you mean "why is RC head still stuck on day 1" IS THAT A RHETORICAL "LOL IMPOSTINZ" FUCKING QUESTION OR ARE YOU JUST AN IDIOT?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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TBH I don't really understand Mari's character as being a voyeur but I guess roles don't really have to make sense. I'm extremely worried about her budding/distancing from Kat.
Part of me doesn't want to believe BV since I'm not fond of his lurking.
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@Edge: You have changed your mind on a Kat/Wraith scum buddies?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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QFT!VasudeVa wrote:a2rudeboy and Locke Lamora still missing. Prod/replace plx.
Though its been a while since I've looked but at one point they were posting elsewhere on this site.
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He's just a distractionOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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You're a funny one Mr. Zwet...zwetschenwasser wrote:I know I'm not particularly keeping up with what's going on, but your reasoning that I'm a distraction even though I've only posted a couple of things reeks of bullshit (not to mention outright contradiction). I could buy a "we're having a dilemma deciding who to lynch so we're grabbing a policy lynch" reason, but not what Mariyta is saying. On that vein, I'll go with aUnvote; Vote: Nero CainOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Dekes wrote:zwet wagon = scum on it. My first guesses would be Mariyta and Nero Cain.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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My current theory is a Kat (the one we lynched), Mari, Zwet scum group. At Least one of the scum groups.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I know.SpyreX wrote:The third head of the great Glork-Edge-SpyreX council is against this AND mari seems to have taken her ball and went home.
It's gonna be a nolynch todayand you should update your sig to reflect how stupid this is.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I C what you're doing here.
Nero is scum 'cause he didn't respond to my idiotic vote on him.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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So why aren't you voting him?SpyreX wrote: A2R claiming a role that isn't easy to confirm AND not giving anything behind it makes perfect sense as scum.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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*headdesk*SpyreX wrote: If not Nero isn't a terrible idea.
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Zwet is scum.
Unless I'm reading this wrong, it makes it sound like he's BP.SpyreX wrote: But, no, I tried to shoot Zwet. And, LO AND BEHOLD, he's still alive - but I did keep my shot.
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Both groups had a roleblocker. Common sure but I wouldn't be too surprised if the groups were similar.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I could see where you'd get that but that wasn't the point of my post. The point was that both teams had a roleblocker and if Spyrex is to be believed then a bulletproof Zwet could explain for the missed kill.
You have an interesting point though as I too could see there being 9 scum (2 groups of 4 and the SK) and 16 town.
Something I don't quite understand is, in the movies, it only seemed like one team of bad guys, at least to me. So if in the books/movies the two groups interacted its likely they do in this game.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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All the purple are dead kinda obvious there...Edge wrote:thus proving I am not purpleOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I apparently missed something, how were you cleared?Edge wrote: AND being already cleared by Glorkscum as NOT Redscum
How is it a clean sweep if we have more scums left?Fate wrote: CLEAN FUCKIN SWEEPOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Why do you want a mass claim today but you didn't yesterday?
I think you were the one that shot Syprex, who shot CES so when you shot him (Spyrex) you gained control of the ring.
Scum=Edge and someone else maybe Mari or Wraith.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Burned to death sounds like Ballrog flavor.IFit is indeed a Ballrog I doubt he's independent so my current theory is that there were two scum kills. If the scum eliminated the purple group (which is thier wincon according to the rules) and gained possession of the one ring its likely that we have a "clean sweep" as you say. Its alsotryingsound town. I think you've been extremely hypocritical and scummy throughout the game.
But I'm way to tired to argue.
I am Tom Bombadil, VT.
Now I would like to hear Edge's fake claim. Cop but who?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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stop stalling.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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LOL
Edge wrote: SpyreX got Frodo's ring,Sly got it from SpyreX, then LAST REDSCUMZ got it from Sly?
Yeah 'cuse gov is a killing role. *headdesk*Bilbo Baggins wrote:SlySly, Saruman, Isengard MafiaOne-shot Governor, Eaten by a Fellbeast Night 3!
+++how can you say the LAST red scum when there are two left?
Edge + Inhim are scum.Edge wrote:I'm thinking Inhimtoday for starters.
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scratch that....he's last scum so I guess he'd have the kill.
Yeah Yeah, Edge is prolly right about me being a moron.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Did you not listen to the part where massclaiming was a bad idea 'cause the scum would find out who the ring bearers are?Wraith wrote:First of all: told y'all Sly was lying.
Are we massclaiming or no? I don't really have a problem with that.
Wraith wrote:Just took a look at the ISOs of InHim and jenniwren and both have been lurkinghorribly
I'm like in 99% agreement with Edge's calls.Let's kill the lurkers.[/quote]
While its certianly possible for the scum to be in the "lurkers" is it really best to policy lynch near end game?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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And this makes the lurkers the best bets?Wraith wrote: After all, didn't Edge say "all they have to do is lurk to victory"?
oh crap!!!You're a close third.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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What bothers me the most about Mari is that she claimed watcher and then was all likeI thought you guys were to fucking stupid to look up the voyuer role so I lied.And b/c she previously lied about it seems scummy. We also know that she was pretty much buddying up with Kat. Yes the purple team is gone so she's not purple. But if the Red team knew who was on the purple team it makes complete sense to buddy with them.
So I'm between Mari and Wraith.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Yes you are right. My apologies.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I do have a question for you Dekes. Why did you ask Jenni about my rc but not Edge's? Is it 'cause she was after me? Fair 'nuff.
What does everyone think of Edge's claim?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Who hammered rudeboi?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Hurry I need teh answer b4 I forget my idea!!!Nero Cain wrote:Who hammered rudeboi?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Dekes wrote:EBWOP:
Just thought about it. There's no way Saruman could've gotten Sauron's Palantir. He wasn't on WeirdRa's lynch wagon. We are pretty sure Saruman killed only N3 when he was killed. Something doesn't add up here. Either Sly was lying or Wratih is lying.
This is Katys ISO 25.If a ringbearer is killed, the ring passes to the one who killed them. If lynched, to the person who made the hammer vote.
I doubt there is any diffrence between a ring and any other item in this game...
Wraith wrote:I have the Minas Tirith palantir and communicate with the Minas Ithil and Orthanc palantirs durings the night (both of which have been held by scum all gameAFAIK). I do not know who the scum are, because we communicate using palantir names only.
Zwet (who VV hammered so he did NOT have it) had the Orthanc palantir, it passed to someone on his wagon when he was lynched, I believe.(this contridicts Katy and I'd believe her over you anyday) Last night Saruman (SlySly) heavily implied he had the Minas Ithil palantir. I believe the Witch-King has that palantir now.
My guess as to the characters of the remaining Mordor team: Witch-King and (that one goblin from Cirith Ungol I forgot the name of starts with a "G")Wraith wrote:New information: SlySly(whom was killed by scum, so for you to have to have it means that you killed him) had both the Orthanc and Minas Ithil palantiri. Apparently that gave him extra power and if he got more then that would make him really, really powerful. I think it might have been a mistake to claim, then.The term Fell beast or Hell-Hawk is used to describe the gigantic flying pterosaur-like, or wyvern-like creatures on which the Witch-King of Angmar and the other Nazgûl rode on
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You'll have to excuse me as I misread. I thought you had all those stones but you only have one correct?
I would assume Isengard had the Orthanc and Mordor had the Minas Ithil (Minas Morgul). And you have the Minas Tirith.
Since Isengard is now dead that means they have possibly have two of the three stones.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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This is a very selective case on me. I feel I was pretty constant with my attacks on Zwet and Kat, though admittedly I had some doubts about Mari town. In one post I even went as far as to say Zwet, Mari, Kat scum.Dekes wrote: Nero Cain:
I was thinking something similar. But I disregarded it in light of the other flips/fakeclaims by scum.jenniwren wrote: I would think Tom Bombadil would be more than a VT[...]
But if you look at Nero Cain's ISO, especially on D4, he's been attacking Edge, me and Wraith only to back off in his very next post (or even in the same post). Those are very tame, even alibi-scumhunting attempts. This is very cautious, yet seemingly being active behaviour, which wouldn't surprise me with only one or two Mordor scum members left.
Both you and Edge have attacked me before backing off. You also express some doubts about Edge yet he's not a suspect. Why?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Let Katy hammer so she gets these stone things.VasudeVa wrote:Also, I'd rather someone who we don't think is Gollum hammer.
If someone hammers other than Katy I'm prety sure they are scum.
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I don't know if I want to vote Wraith 'cause if the scum gets a third stone it could be really bad for the town.
The problem is that you're saying I am scummy b/c I'm cautious and back of lynches yet both you and Edge have backed off lynches. This is the pot calling the kettle black.Dekes wrote:
And how does that prove you're more likely town than Mordor scum? In any game with more than one scum group anyone can legitimately hunt scum. But I had only a chance to read D4 today, I'll Iso you tomorrow.Nero Cain wrote:This is a very selective case on me. I feel I was pretty constant with my attacks on Zwet and Kat, though admittedly I had some doubts about Mari town. In one post I even went as far as to say Zwet, Mari, Kat scum.
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@ Katy or someone that knows alot about LOTR. Did Isengard and Morder ever interact like joint military operations or w/e?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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We can confirm Edge has Gollem tomorrow though I believe he's red scum. Dekes or Wraith is his scumbuddy.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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We tell him to shoot somebody and if he doesn't then he's not Gollum. I think he's been pretty scummy all game, i'll do a wall after the game.Dekes wrote: @Nero
How can we confirm this and why do you think he's red scum?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Why are you deliberately misreading? Tomorrow if we decide that we should shoot Rewq and Rewq gets shoot then that means Fate is Gollum. If Fate was fakeclaiming (for the third time) I see little reason for the real Gollum to shoot the desired target and confirm Fate/GollumDekes wrote:
And what if the real Daykiller shoots that person and frames Fate for it?Nero Cain wrote:We tell him to shoot somebody and if he doesn't then he's not Gollum. I think he's been pretty scummy all game, i'll do a wall after the game.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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If my scumbuddy fake claimed cop, then fake claimed VT I'd be pretty damn upset too.VasudeVa wrote:I find his defense to be very plausible. He claimed backup, he showed that he really was pissed with you when you claimed VT
^^^^^^Why Dekes over Wraith?
If we assume Wraith is telling the truth about his role and all scum will hammer him and collect the third stone and become uber powerful. We should let Gollum kill him.
Yeah!! Kill him liar FATE KILL HIM!!!Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Well you do have a very good chance at winning seeing how Wraith and Mari at alot of other players are unwilling to lynch you.Edge wrote: Oh good lord. We better continue this clean sweep because an endgame like this WILL NOT BE pretty by any stretch.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Will I be killed durring the night or the day?Edge wrote:Its so tempting to send in my kill on you right now Nero!
Nice to see scum tell the truth.But I'm busy with this gambit that is confirming me as non-DKiller and false confirming InhimOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Says Mr. Useless.Wraith wrote:Nero Cain is VI.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I think Mari and Wraith are stupid. Mari is all likeEdge is to funny to be scum.SRSLY, this is like the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Are you regretting the gollum fake claim now?Edge wrote:Oh holy fuck. WAIT A SECOND
THERe WAS A MISSING KILL AWHILE BACK WANST THERE
I guess I'm the only one that finds it odd he can't daykill.
Wraith wrote:I'm just basing my VI read off this post, guys. Sorry if I'm trying to be sensible.
Whats with the buddying up to Fate?
I like how you don't want Edge to confirm himself by killing.
Predit: Yeah, Fate's style is blunt and brutal, and he often overreacts, but dammit he is the only sane person left hereFifth, great job hammering before Edge could check in.
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Two of them are idiots, two of them are scum.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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i broke my tagsOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Explain why you haven't day killed today.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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