The Lord of the Rings Mafia - GAME OVER (KABOOM)

[inHimshallibe]

I'm familiar.

vote: Haylen

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vote: VasudeVa

Scum

VasudeVa
MemoriaEsponia
LynchMePls
Haylen

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zwetschenwasser

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Nice to know my RVS vote actually was on scum.

Well hello there, scum!

Making something unimportant seem important equalz teh scumz.

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Am I the only one who's initial reaction on seeing Haylen being shot was that it was done by town. >.>
I'm not so sure but given her meta etc....

Interesting thought... In order for her meta to be taken into account, though, the killer would have to be someone who knew her enough. I'm not so sure town would strangle (not shoot) a player this early in the game, though. It's too dangerous, as evidenced by the loss of a PR.

Preview edit: Katsuki makes a good point. Strangulation looks like SK, though it could still possibly be town.

Second preview edit: Excellent point about Gollum.

Someone isn't doing a lot of thinking on their own.

Hmmm. I don't think bv would bus Mari if they were partners. Which is the scum then.

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Am I the only one who's initial reaction on seeing Haylen being shot was that it was done by town. >.>
I'm not so sure but given her meta etc....

Interesting thought... In order for her meta to be taken into account, though, the killer would have to be someone who knew her enough. I'm not so sure town would strangle (not shoot) a player this early in the game, though. It's too dangerous, as evidenced by the loss of a PR.

Preview edit: Katsuki makes a good point. Strangulation looks like SK, though it could still possibly be town.

Second preview edit: Excellent point about Gollum.

Someone isn't doing a lot of thinking on their own.

Hmmm. I don't think bv would bus Mari if they were partners. Which is the scum then.

Even better: Mari is SK and bv still scum. Delightful.

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vote: Mariyta

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WELL

Unvote, Vote Wraith

I ADVISE YOU BEST NOT LURK.

lolscum

Scum

VasudeVa
MemoriaEsponia
LynchMePls
WeirdRa
Katsuki

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zwetschenwasser

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Forgot two. Now, obviously, these probably aren't ALL scum. Right now, though, I'd wager that the majority of scum in this game are in the following lists.

Scum

VasudeVa
MemoriaEsponia
LynchMePls
WeirdRa
Katsuki
Mariyta
bv310

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zwetschenwasser

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I've read the trilogy a couple times, as well as The Hobbit. Tried reading Silmarillion, but didn't finish. Read a couple of the Lost Tales. Movies are awesome, despite the casting of Liv Tyler. I <3 Eomer.

VOTE: Glork Hi Glork!

This is where you quantify your familiarity with the series. That you are so familiar and yet didn't piece together that Gollum is the probkiller is fishy.

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Forgot two. Now, obviously, these probably aren't ALL scum. Right now, though, I'd wager that the majority of scum in this game are in the following lists.

Two month Avatar bet. If you are right you get to choose mine (and by mine I mean my Main's, not the Hydra's). If you are wrong I get to choose yours. Put your money where you mouth is?

Nope, sorry.

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An actual bet has nothing to do with scumhunting, and everything to do with distraction.

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I'm going to clean out my car and think about this game.

That's when you know I'm serious about this stuff. I, like, never clean my car.

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Unannounced V/LA over the weekend, sorry. Be back tonight/tomorrow.

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Still lovin' the wagon yo. Bring it fools. Keep blindly following Glork and Spy with no coherent semblance of a case goin' on. That's the way to be.

FWIW, my vote has nothing to do with Glork or Spy. I've listed my reasons for voting and they haven't changed.

Really? Two very vocal, very leader-oriented players this game are crying for a wagon on someone and you want to make it very clear you're using your own reasons?

Why does a townie need to point this out?
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Alright, so while musing about this game (thanks for the support, Glork) and after reading some of the hate coming my way, it's quite apparent that even if I think my posts make a presence in a game, many others don't think the same. I'll look to resolve this.

I'm caught up, and my next post will indicate what I feel are major points to consider re: this game.

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BTW

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vote: WeirdRa

Posting in other game, brb.

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Drip explain why the * is there.

Explain why you aren't voting WeirdRa.

Actually, I'd like everyone not voting WeirdRa to tell me why they aren't.

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Drip explain why the * is there.

Explain why you aren't voting WeirdRa.

Actually, I'd like everyone not voting WeirdRa to tell me why they aren't.

Wouldn't the better question be: Why are the people on the WierdRa wagon voting WierdRa?

Only if you firmly believe WeirdRa is town.

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Right, catch-up post.

Lunch first.

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Drip explain why the * is there.

Explain why you aren't voting WeirdRa.

Actually, I'd like everyone not voting WeirdRa to tell me why they aren't.

Wouldn't the better question be: Why are the people on the WierdRa wagon voting WierdRa?

Only if you firmly believe WeirdRa is town.

Well, with the possibility of having two scumgroups as brought up by Gandalf, there could easily be scums all over this wagon. I actually agree with Wraith's request. I'd like to see reasons beyond it being close to deadline.

Two groups is only a possibility at the moment, but I don't disagree with it being a good question. I still think my question is the better of the two.

[inHimshallibe]

Hai guys. Look what I found...

1.) The following is a sample mafia Win Condition:

You win when your Mafia faction outnumbers the members of the Town in size,

and the other mafia faction has been eliminated

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At first I paid little attention to the Gandalf "slip" but this just has all kind of Klaxons going off.

I'm still confident in a Kat/Mari/Syprex group since Spyrex himself says mafia are 3-4.

I think Gandalf or Kat are the best lynches today.

Oh, wow, totally missed this.

Hi Nerocaintown, how are you?

[inHimshallibe]

EDGE IS FATE

THIS GAME

GOD WHICHEVER ONE OF RA AND GAN HAS MORE VOTES GO AWAY.

IF YOU ARE WITH BULLETS MAKE THE OTHER GO AWAY.

NERO IS ON DRUGS

SLY IS ALSO APPARENTLY ON DRUGS MY GOD

God in heaven this game I swear there better be a lynch come mornin times or else.

12/10 would read again.

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@ME: WeirdRa was the best wagon at the time of my vote because I thought the pressure gandalf received on the fakeclaim was a bunch of smoke and mirrors and bullshit, and I thought me adding my vote would get the ball rolling on an actual lynch for the Day. I do have a gutscum read on WeirdRa after everyone started pointing fingers, and I feel the hydra's actions since my vote only further justify my spot on the wagon.

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To add: I voted WeirdRa before it became apparent gandalf probably slipped, and I now stay on the wagon for the sake of the game.

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vote: Katsuki

The vig(s) need(s) to start listening.

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Glork can't sincerely believe Spyrex is town. I don't believe it.

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"all of the scum"

OK, good, you really are town. I had my doubts because of some previously vague suspicions of yours, but you're bringing the heat now.

Carry on, this one would be "my bad."

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Lol Sauron D1 and Saruman D2?

This is awesome.

vote: Mariyta

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Glork can't sincerely believe Spyrex is town. I don't believe it.

BTW, when I said this, it was right after I thought Spy had made a super scummy post, and that Glork was either a) being obtuse or b) sheltering a scumbuddy from the storm.

Spyrex has since then eased my thoughts on Glork's behavior toward him.

[inHimshallibe]

Eh, that's the kind of mirroring I could see mods using. Visitors without actions, actions without visitors.

unvote

for the moment.

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But, wait, actually, it could be mirrored across factions, too. Hmm.

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Um, rewq, I think you're about to get your scumhunting card put on probation for a bit.

Sly can still be scum. Say he's a scum watcher and was blocked/bv was blocked; in this equation he can be telling the truth and still be scum. Sly can most certainly be town; this time he claims thinking it is best for the town to try and catch Mari in a semi-counterclaim.

What I do know, though, is that if Sly is scum, Glork needs to die posthaste. His defense of Sly seemed too urgent.

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zwet lynch is terribad.

I'm willing to hammer.

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Why am I not surprised at the Glorkflip.

Oh right.

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Glork can't sincerely believe Spyrex is town. I don't believe it.

BTW, when I said this, it was right after I thought Spy had made a super scummy post, and that Glork was either a) being obtuse or b) sheltering a scumbuddy from the storm.

Spyrex has since then eased my thoughts on Glork's behavior toward him.

Um, rewq, I think you're about to get your scumhunting card put on probation for a bit.

Sly can still be scum. Say he's a scum watcher and was blocked/bv was blocked; in this equation he can be telling the truth and still be scum. Sly can most certainly be town; this time he claims thinking it is best for the town to try and catch Mari in a semi-counterclaim.

What I do know, though, is that if Sly is scum, Glork needs to die posthaste. His defense of Sly seemed too urgent.

CES would also be a top choice, and Mariyta is still transparent as to being scum of some sort.

[inHimshallibe]

Woot, still here, coasting to another victory by the hands of Fate.

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Boromir, Seraph-Knight

This is a one-shot, continuous ability if you're not familiar with the role (I was not). On Night Two I chose someone to Seraph protect, and that target cannot be targeted by anything other than Town abilities so long as I am alive.

On Night One, instead of snap-protecting Glork, my doubts on him made me hesitate. So I laid in wait and picked someone other than Glork on Night Two after I still had my doubts.

My target is still alive.

Sorry for my relatively little use in these last few real-life days. I'll get back and draw up some suspects after work.

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I claimed because I knew I'd be run up to that point anyway.

Edge has my protection.

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Because lynching is proactive. Hoping everythings gonna be aight is reactive.

Unless lynching wrong ends the game there's no reason not to. Especially not "OHH SNAP HE CLAIMED HIDER".

EDGE:

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND WEIRDS COP CLAIM D1.

SERIOUSLY

BECAUSE I AM THE COP AND I WAS CCING WEIRD WITH CAPS.

ARUDE WILL WORK HIMSELF OUT AS EITHER FUCKING ALIGNMENT. IF WE LYNCH HIM ITS THE DAY BEFORE LYLO.

THATS HOW IT WORKS.

YOU KNOW THIS.

YEAH YOU'VE HAD CONNECTIONS WITH PEOPLE................... ARE YOU SAYING YOU'LL FLIP FUCKING SCUM?

WHAT THE FUCK.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH TOWNIES THIS FUCKING DAY: UNLESS YOU ARE CLAIMING SCUM, ARUDE2BOY HAS INFINITELY MORE CHANCE OF FLIPPING SCUM THAN YOU DO.

THIS MINDSET DOES NO COMPUTE, IT NEVER WILL COMPUTE, NO ALIGNMENT HAS MOTIVATION FOR SUCH MADNESS, ONLY FUCKIN RETARDS.

I DO HAVE AN INVESTIGATION SPYREX VV IS TOWN I THOUGH I CRUMBED WELL ENOUGH BUT HERE WE ARE.

It was enough for me to take action. I didn't see any other role as being all that necessary, and well... it's Fate+ReaperCharlie.

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rewq, Nero, VV, Mariyta, Dekes and Locke Lamora

Definitely think Nero is town, Mariyta is scum, and one of rewq/LL is the last scum. I'll roll with VV for now because he's telling the troof about my actions.

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Oh, yeah, so that left Dekes on that list. I remember reading through a lot of his posts; I think the fact I remember a lot of his points makes him more town.

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vote: Mariyta

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this day.

What's to say Gollum can't also be a Tracker?

But, we need Mordorscumdeath.

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For now, I believe Wraith. I'm more convinced of Mariyta's guilt than Dekes, tbqh. But:

unvote
vote: Dekes

I've been wrong before.

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unvote

Rereading this Day.

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WeirdRa - 13 - Mariyta, Edge, Glork, SpyreX, Cogito Ergo Sum, inHimshallibe, VasudeVa, Wraith, LynchMePls, gandalf5166, Dekes, Drippereth, rewq455

Has rewq claimed?

vote: rewq

[inHimshallibe]

Edge might be protecting rewq. They claimed that a "random person" on the lynch got the palantir. This is not consistent with how the rings are passed, according to Katy.

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The reason I bring it up is because we already have information on how one set of items in the game are passed. Wraith noted that his QT changed after the Sauron lynch, and so we have no reason to believe (given Katy's information) that the palantiri should be any different than rings.

We hate on Wraith for the truth he is seemingly telling; I can't say in good conscience that I think he's lying about it.

I'm very aware of why we are not forcing claims, but I don't feel there's a reason to lynch Wraith. I'm bringing it up

now

because of IRL issues keeping me from being as vocal and give me some time to think about the game.

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Wraith, please confirm this info on the passing of palantirs.

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vote: Wraith

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I don't trust you one damn bit, Edge.

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You should probably not let RC talk much, you sound far more town.

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My ability would indeed allow a pro-town player pass an item to you, if the item could be passed, insofar as I read my role correctly.

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Explain to me why it matters who hammered when we just discussed how palantirs move.

I don't think Wraith has a ring, and thus my hammer.

Mari, did you get a certain "Edge was not targeted" or something more ambiguous?

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My apologies for being gone thirty minutes on my

commute home from work

.

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Fate, why, again, were you not communicating in the QT, and only RC?

PEDIT: I didn't want you with two, to be honest.

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I did not want Nero Cain to vote when he did. I wanted Wraith to come in and explain the palantir movement.

Nero voted, I was finding conflicting evidence from Edge, and I didn't want them to be lying and the hammer actually did matter.

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Oh, I meant the Palantir QT. Didn't you say only RC was talking in there?

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VV, track rewq imo.

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Or LL.

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I'm sorry I had to hammer you, Wraith. Though if you're scum, I take it back.

Fate, you're telling me you and RC don't communicate in your hydra QT at Night?

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VASUDEVA YOU WILL CONFIRM A TARGET.

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Actually, we can for certain clear VV if we tell him to track Edge.

PICK ONE OF EDGE OR REWQ AND LOCK THAT SHIT IN.

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Fuck it. You know who I'm watching. VV, you do whatever the hell you want. If I can't confirm you tomorrow, your head will likely be in a noose.

I want this in writing one more time.

Please write this post:

I will be targeting _ tonight.

Fill in appropriately.

@Fate's Edge: Because VV would not be able to target you if protown, and Mari would thus get a no result.

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Nero Cain, I get what you're getting at, but we have to think it's unlikely at best.

[inHimshallibe]

Besides, since why would Plum/Andy give Mordor both Gimli AND Legolas as fakeclaims? That's just bad design right there.

This is a very good point, though not one I was willing to make.

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@INHIM: NO. NO. NO. DO NOT BUY INTO THAT. THAT ISNT BAD SETUP DESIGN AT ALL. MAFIA IS NOT ABOUT "WHAT FRODO WAS A FAKECLAIM? WELL FUCK" MAFIA SETUP DESIGN IS ABOUT NOT LETTING YOUR GAME BEING BROKEN BY MASSCLAIM AND SPECULATION WHICH IS WHAT I TRUST PLUM TO DO>

DO NOT BUY A LEGOLAS CLAIM BECAUSE OF THE GOD DAMN NAME. DONT FUCKING DO THAT. DONT BE BLIND TO EVERYTHING ELSE.

GOD DAMN IT

No, I was making the point that one of Legolas/Gimli would be given to Isengard and the other to Mordor.

You are right in that it's a very weak point.

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One last comment, then I, too, am going to bed. Scum lies rewq, LL, and Dekes. I'd bet money on it. At the very least, one of them is scum, but most likely two. Dekes disappeared after Wraith became the main target. And LL and rewq have been confirmed to be not masons. We need to focus on these 3 tomorrow.

This is sound.

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First, Fate, you're an idiot. Most of the shit you posted was just that-- shit. You decided on a connection and went to create one.

There's nothing wrong with this at this point in the gamestate. In Mafia, you're guilty until proven innocent.

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vote: Mariyta

Thanks for reminding me. Bitter Mari doesn't become you.

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My theory is that Mari is the Witch-King, and the Mordor Mafia has the use of the Eye as a factional ability that CANNOT be used by the same person performing the kill. Of course, this could apply to VV, and he's just flat out the Witch-King that can track through smell (or whatever it is that the Nazgul do). This kill flavor conjecture is effectively irrelevant.

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What does that have to do with me? And you gave me nothing to refute. You just posted a bunch of quotes. If you have questions, ask them. But if you prefer to tunnel (as you have a tendency to do), I'm telling you right now that you're wrong. You should really listen to Katy. She's probably the most logical person we have left right now.

P-edit: Edge's second post makes no sense. VV is probably the second most logical person we have.

I'm an idiot.

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Now.

Dekes, LL, Nero Cain, VV, Edge

Do we have enough time to kill all of these peeps, preferably in that order... maybe switching Nero with LL.

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For the record, I skated as much as I did because I knew I had Edge, the most active member in the game, locked up tight. Had this been a different situation and Edge would have died, my participation would have picked up for sure.

Great game, well maintained, enjoyed it very much. I was glad to have a meaningful effect on the game. Also, come on... you read Reap's post and tell me that isn't cause for a little bit of unease when it comes to Wraithhammer.

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EBWOP: That should have read more along the lines of "I would have tried to post at work more" instead of "I was actively avoiding this game."