Scummers Mafia: Greatest Bash? (Game Over, Scum wins?)

[kunkstar7]

Vote: The Mask.

Only scum need masks.

[kunkstar7]

I almost feel sorry for Sens.

We don't lynch SpyreX today.

Care to explain why you think so? Maybe enlighten us to which camp you are in (regarding millers).

There may be bonafide town-motivation behind it, or someone of any alignment could feign being an investigator. But, what I'm thinking here is that mafia-ort' is setting himself up to look like a role with a night action that has evidence suggesting Zaz' is probscum, which sneaks upon the rest of us an influence to believe that ort' is trustsworthy for a hefty duration of the game's beginnings. When a mind believes something so long, it's hard to shake off later.

I feel like this really beginning to stretch things. Especially on the basis of one, maybe two posts.

[kunkstar7]

mask's case on ort is a bit far-stretched, but ort need to explain it sooner or later. i prefer later.

If he needs to explain it, why is later any better?

Wow, I've never seen such a baseless wagon, like, ever.

This is not a defense. Show us why its baseless.

Kunk for his 'passive' statement against Maskie's post about Orto-scum.
('Passive' as I get the impression that he's testing the waters, due to the word 'beginning'.)

Not sure I can defend against the passive idea as its your own personal inflection on that post. Although I will say that Maskie's post is just trying to throw something at ortolan to add to his wagon. Do you believe that ort is setting up a PR claim in hopes of setting you up as scum, and to gain towncred? Seems way too farfetched to me.

Also, honest question here, who has NEVER played with DeathNote?

*raises hand*

Although I've heard/read enough to see how the role fits with DeathNote.

Vote Count Issues!!!

Pomegranate (2): Papa Zito

PZ, got something to tell us?

Why would you call it out Starbuck when it looks like you are the one who gave PZ the extra vote? Do you have an explanation for this part of PZ's story?

[kunkstar7]

Vote Count Issues!!!

Pomegranate (2): Papa Zito

PZ, got something to tell us?

Why would you call it out Starbuck when it looks like you are the one who gave PZ the extra vote? Do you have an explanation for this part of PZ's story?

Kunk, why does it seem to you that Starbuck gave PZ the extra vote?

Pomegranate (2): Papa Zito
Papa Zito (0): Starbuck

[kunkstar7]

Pomegranate (2): Papa Zito
Papa Zito (0): Starbuck

I don't think that that necessarily means that Starbuck gave him the doublevote today. It seems likely to me that those are unrelated.

That's why I asked if Starbuck had an idea of what was going on. Starbuck and PZ are related somehow though in this situation.

[kunkstar7]

Even knowing I was wrong this time, the way that went down I'd do it every time.

Unvote, Vote: Orto

And Vanilla Dram? Really?

You are supposed to be dead

Vote: ortolan.

You never lynch a claimed cop in day 1. Period.

It seemed to me that Zazie wasn't really acting like he had an results on ortolan. You read it in hindsight, but what do you make of PZ's statements regarding the situation then?

[kunkstar7]

i start finding ortolan not scum.

but i don't know, i'm still with the lynch.

Horrible, just horrible. You start to find him not scum but are still fine with his lynch, why is that?

FoS: manho

dram says he doesn't randomise my kills

I'm assuming n0 I got redirected from ZazieR to Netopalis, n1 I got roleblocked (possibly by someone who thought I was scum after Zaz's flip)

Why did you not think to check your kill flavor yesterday when you noticed that Zazie didn't die, instead of acting like it incriminated Zazie?

[kunkstar7]

Well, sure, but you get what I'm saying?

Monkey goes: "OMG Papa Zito is FATE!"
We go? "Ohhhkkaayyyy?"

Its not like we'd have any reason for anyone to lie about their name regardless of alignment - so, no, that claim makes zero sense.

Theory: Rolecop who gets the name as part of his information. Scum.

Namecops help after massclaim/nameclaim to find out fake nameclaims. There shouldn't be a reason for lying about your name.

I still like the manho wagon. He's been following along the easy lynch wagons both days, and even went to say the contradiction that he thought orto was not scum but still worthy of a lynch. He then jumps on today's monkey wagon without any input from himself.

Vote: manho.

[kunkstar7]

AGAIN:

Prove it. Right now.

I've got a theory and when I'm right he gets hung.

This. Your reluctance to give out your results is scummy. You're already a claimed namecop so no one is going to fakeclaim anyway.

unvote; Vote: Monkeyman.

Now you're at L-1, go ahead and give them.

[kunkstar7]

What the hell is a taximan?

vote: nhammen

Why the vote on nhammen? I don't see any reasoning in your previous posts that lead up to this vote, so its kind of abrupt.

The single kill tends to me to be more of a one scumfaction thing. I can see the Possessive part as possibly just being part of the role, as its just an adjective. For example Tajo was the "Conditional" Taximan, Neto was the "Descendant" doc, Hoopla was "the slightly racist" mason dayvig, and etc. Looks like just Dram's naming convention with roles? This fits with the single kill as well.

We can finally lynch the followerscum, sweet.

Vote: manho.

[kunkstar7]

Please take a look at Pomegranate in detail ye old faithful town.

468 makes me reaaalllly itchy.

Why is it itchy? I'm not sure if you are mentioning the wrong post or if you actually trying to point out how manho is saying something suspicious? Which in turn doesn't jive with your "lets go after Pom now" first sentence.

I don't like manho's reiteration of Cuttlefish's recap on Pom. Feels to much like scum trying to grasp onto something to shift attention away from him. If it wasn't exactly what Cuttle had said about Pom and maybe something original, but no. Regarding Pom, she just seems way too apathetic. Its more of a nulltell as I can't really see scum being that open about it.

[kunkstar7]

HAY kunk nhammen thinks you're suspicious for voting manho yesterday. What's your response?

Thoughts are if he does then he is being hypocritical. I recall seeing him admitting as much in one of his posts, so I'll dog him about it if he tries to push anything on that alone.

I know maybe I shouldn't claim now. But I will, since I think it could be useful, and the response will be interesting.

I am Rayfrost, and basically, if I'm lynched, the day continues.

Let discussion ensue.

I'm doing this because I'm am going to be V/LA for 2-3 days, from tomorrow morning until sometime Friday.

Assuming this claim is legit, (which I feel it is, it makes no sense for scum to fakeclaim a role that essentially guarantees town a free lynch), I see it as a town role, as the possible two scum in one day off of lynches alone is a lot more detrimental in one day than two town, numberwise. True Pom doesn't seem to be contributing much, but I can't in my right mind support a lynch that I see as probably flipping town.

@Spyrex:

Regarding this:

Damnit she's telling the truth. DAMNIT DAMNIT.

We're still lynching, mind you, but the salivating wolves have me all aflutter.

If you believe she is telling the truth, and I get the impression you think she might be town, why are we continuing the push for her lynch?

[kunkstar7]

I'm going to say that Pomegranate is probably going to flip town. However, as I've said, there is no downside to lynching her. Even if there's a 1% chance of Pom flipping scum, it's worth lynching her.

The logic makes sense I guess, didn't view it from those angle. Considering the day goes on after the pom lynch according to her role, I guess there isn't a downside to it.

Unvote; Vote: Pom.

[kunkstar7]

then we have this, a "big case" on pom, which is pretty much nothing.

Except it included both the same reasons you voted Pom for, hypocrisy.

Vote: xReckx

now is not the time for special plans. Actually his recent "lynch Zang, awesomeness follows" definitely connects them two. If xReckx flips scum, I'm willing to bet Zang is too.

[kunkstar7]

I'm also failing to acknowledge that we lost a townie because it doesn't matter one bit.

I REALLY don't like this cuttle-push.

Kunk, can you do me a fav? Can you:

a.) Find manho jumping on based on his case and
b.) Explain if that is the case why in the HELL you'd vote for xReck of manho?

A) The point wasn't whether he did or did not use Cuttle's case, it was that they both had the same reasoning, which manho's discounts cuttle's reasoning even though Cuttle's reasoning included what manho said his reasoning was. Examples...

Cuttle's Pomvote post says:

In conclusion, Pomegranate is a lurker whose iso is pretty much devoid of independent thought. Her vote on Monkey looks like weak bussing, with a last-ditch (and abandoned; she doesn't bring the mass claim up again after the post where she says she supports it) attempt to save him.

He also mentions the massclaim idea from Monkey that Pom supports as connection and the "Kast is namecop" comment as bussing.

i've skimmed through pom's posts as i don't have much time. and this post is strange:

Moneky, I want a paraphrase of your whole PM.

Now.

...

He basically gave it. But it was very short and nondescript.

it gives a scum-buddy vibe.

vote: pom

Kunk Addition

:

and she is not a hard MM-lynch pusher, while slightly pressuring him with the "why is kast a namecop" comment but not real scum tell, which is more likely bussing.

They both point out that Pom looks like she is bussing, even mentioning the same situation regarding Kast, but manho decides that Cuttle's version is worthless apparently?


B) Because apparently the manho push is not today's action, even though its obv hes scummy. Might as well get one of his partners and push the connection stuff tomorrow as well.

[kunkstar7]

Yea, manho's digging himself a deeper hole. Still around, waiting for the MC to continue along. Not really sure what to say of Cuttle's claim yet, but some notes on it after we hear more.

[kunkstar7]

Ok, I'm Haylen. I tend to be a little illogical at times, but I love my little newbies and want to show them good play. VT.

[kunkstar7]

1. Nhammen - VT
4. SpyreX - Miller
5. Kunkstar - VT
6. Papa Zito - Tar (modscrew power)
10. Zang Benmage - VT
11. Manho - VT
12. Cuttlefish (alt) - Investigator type (mind shattered)
13. The Mask (alt) - Roleblocker (Mind shattered)
14. Ani - Tracker (mind shattered)
18. Starbuck - Vote gambler (mind shattered)
20. NivReckoner - VT

[kunkstar7]

Hi, Starbuck, research better. Page 14, The Mask's second post after Day 3 start.

Since my mind has shattered as well, I see no harm in claiming. I roleblocked orto the night after zazie was lynched. Everything added up with the sledgehammer/mafia kill still going through, yet the shot kill was missing.

What I find interesting is that orto did not claim to be roleblocked, or perhaps wasn't told.

[kunkstar7]

@Starbuck, seems you are stretching it out now. Your original vote on me was for lying about The Mask's claim. You did not specify fullclaim, therefore you misrepresented me by saying I was lying, as I have pointed out the place where I got the information I summarized. Secondly I find flavor not all that important due to how easy it would be to fakeclaim, considering both the possibility that the mod may have given fakeclaims and that there isn't necessarily a "bad" scummer.

I'm not sure how you didn't comprehend it but, the same place I pointed out points to the fact that he targeted PZ N2. Therefore he would not have any later results due to "Mind shattering" and his N1 was ortolan as claimed. He still needs to claim N0 though, and flavor if you so desire.

[kunkstar7]

PZ: Methinks you miss the Benmage(Zang)/xReck connection.

[kunkstar7]

PZ: Methinks you miss the Benmage(Zang)/xReck connection.

Do explain this one.

Part of the reason I have my vote on xreckx, he basically said that we should lynch you and then awesomeness follows. He hopes that by bussing his partner he can get out of being lynched.

[kunkstar7]

No, neither Ani nor Mask have fullclaimed. We need fullclaims from BOTH OF THEM!

I am pretty sure ani already fullclaimed as shaft.ed.

Page 9:

Hi, I'm shaft.ed, political officionado of mafia scum.

Yea, I'm covering for ani now too...

[kunkstar7]

LET'S LYNCH SOMEONE PLZ

i'd like to lynch cuttlefish, but the mask or kunk is fine. so who do you suggest we lynching?

I feel sorry that you need approval from your scumbuddy to lynch someone.

@nhammen: that last line was in jest. I'm not covering ani I'm just showing where this information has already been put out in the thread. But it seems when I do this I'm "covering" for people.

[kunkstar7]

@Spyrex: Monkey flipped rolecop. Page 18. Dram just has the frontpage wrong.

Monkey (Battle Mage the Possessive Mafia Rolecop), has been lynched!

[kunkstar7]

It doesn't make sense that Monkey would fakeclaim a scummy role if he was a goon, I would think he would just claim VT and not have to think about making up results and such. Or at least claim a role that doesn't seem scummy? But yes, dram please show which is right.

[kunkstar7]

Unvote;Vote: The Mask.

[kunkstar7]

Manho is scums for joining wagons even if he believed that they were probably town, example ortolan's wagon:

i start finding ortolan not scum.

but i don't know, i'm still with the lynch.

i was not thinking last day. i don't know why i jump on the pom wagon at all. i was following the lead last day. it is scummy to jump on a wagon blindly, like me, but the one behind the wagon is more scummy. and the most influential one is cuttlefish.

Once again, even more blatantly, except he is trying to shift the blame from himself to his "suspect" of cuttlefish, when his jumping on the wagon is clearly more scummy than Cuttle's beginning it.

The second part is in regards to Monkey's namecop rolecop results. It is likely that at least one of those is his partners, and with tajo flipped town, and Starbuck likely town, that leaves manho.

[kunkstar7]

Oh wait, forgot it JUST became Friday.

Carry on. >>

But seriously, kunk needs to weigh in on manho vs me. His lurking is making me go LOL MANHO BUDDY

I've already put my reasoning down for why manho is scum, might as well put my vote where my mouth is,

Vote: manho.

Also Cuttle brings up a good point regarding Reck and manho. I don't see any reason why they can't both be scum, and Reck is just bussing manho now.

[kunkstar7]

Actually,

unvote; Vote: xReck.

The smarter play is to lynch xReckx, considering that he has ties with Zang/Benmage, and if he flips scum it will show the connection between all three of them, with xReck bussing both of them.

[kunkstar7]

@benmage:

Hey guys.

I have something special for you all.

But we need to lynch Zang tonight before I mention it.

Its so obvious bussing.
In reality it all bases on xReckx, which is why he is the better lynch today. If he flips scum then his interactions with both of you fit the bill for bussing.

[kunkstar7]

And what of his interactions with you, kunk?

Specifics? I didn't analyze his interactions with myself as I view myself as confirmed town obviously.

[kunkstar7]

Unvote; Vote: manho.

[kunkstar7]

Poor kunk and Monkey had such hard wincons.

Now you see why I made the switch to Reck there at the end. Dramonic gave me a warning that my vote of manho was playing against my win condition so I had to go back and switch it. I realized there that the town was going to lynch manho and there wasn't much I could do about it (I wasn't aggressive enough to push a Reck lynch, combined with the fact that I probably would have been lynched in one of the subsequent days.) So I preferred instead to see a scum win after the amazing first two days we had. I know you wanted to see me push that win condition Dramonic, but after seeing the strong position scum was at there in the end I wanted scum to win, regardless if I did or not. My plan to win was get Reck lynched, nightkill a townie, get benmage lynched, nightkill a townie, lynch manho, redirect the nightkill to Cuttlefish, then get a mislynch in the final LyLo.

While I didn't win, I am proud of my extraordinarily lucky N0 redirect of ortolan to Netapolis. It made my day seeing the havoc it wreaked . It basically singlehandedly established the first two mislynches of this game. Papa Zito's early claiming of Reflexive Vanilla-izer made it easy for us scum to use our two redirects to ensure the town lost all of their power roles. Funnily enough, the night The Mask got his mind shattered by targeting Papa Zito himself was the day we attempted to redirect him to Papa Zito. I also realized that this was probably reason why Diacria didn't die earlier, with ortolan being roleblocked by The Mask.

[kunkstar7]

Our original player was BloodCovenant, however when the setup started he hadn't been on site for like, 3 months, so I felt the need to change it because nobody would get it (it was in his signature to know there's a godfather in the game for no apparent reason)

oh ok. Well that makes sence and probably was a good idea

<<wait's around to be vidged in the face or possibly forgiven should kunk have truly enjored the game

Ha no Pokerface, I enjoyed receiving this role and its win condition. It was merely my incompetence more than anything that led to my loss. When it got to both manho and xReck at L-2, I should have voted xReck, but I was not confident in my ability to get the last few lynches lined up as it would require for my win, so I chose to swing the game to a scum win rather than bussing my buddies.