Scummers Mafia: Greatest Bash? (Game Over, Scum wins?)

[Starbuck]

Go Go Gadget Random...

Vote: SpyreX

[Starbuck]

Starting with the insults early I see.


Anyways, hi Monkey, it's been awhile. How are you?

[Starbuck]

I can't give an answer to that due to ongoing games.


But Sens seems to have formed a hatred of me now, although I have nothing against him.

[Starbuck]

Busy weekend, sorry guys.





Vote Count Issues!!!

Pomegranate (2): Papa Zito

PZ, got something to tell us?

Pom already asked for your explanation once. I'm asking it for it now too.

SpyreX (2): Starbuck, Cow, Diacria

And what's with this vote count shenanigans?

Unvote
Vote: Papa Zito

On ZazieR

Ohohohoho, I'm back with my whip and black fluffy handcuffs >:]

OoOoO, I iz excited!

On hasdgfas

If you are going to link to that many posts, can you put the person's name somewhere around the beginning of what you have to say about it (ex: Starbuck's Post 37)? It makes for easier reading and less tl;dr.

Wow. Claws out much? Was that really necessary? And if so, why not come right out and say it as opposed to being so passive-aggressive?

I am anything but passive-aggressive. If you want to see my claws out, I can pull them out.

And Sens obviously replaced out for reasons other than people disagreeing with him. Anyone who says otherwise should be lynched for reasons of stupidity.

He gave no reason for replacing out. I *believe* that it has to do with me, but that doesn't give you an out to redeem your role from the scummy mess that he left you in.




I have a couple questions.



I just re-read back over everything and I'm not understanding the wagon and case on Monkey. Can someone elaborate?

Also, honest question here, who has NEVER played with DeathNote?

[Starbuck]

On kunkstar7

Why would you call it out Starbuck when it looks like you are the one who gave PZ the extra vote? Do you have an explanation for this part of PZ's story?

Because I *KNOW* that I gave him the vote, and knew that the vote count would reflect it.

It was going to be found out soon enough anyways.


I'm more or less a stump now.

On hasdgfas

If you believe I was left in a scummy mess, could you please explain it? You are the only one to think so right now, as far as I can tell.

1. If you re-read this game, you will notice that I'm not the only one who thinks he left you in a scummy mess.

2. All of his contradictions and the fact that he replaced out as soon as there was some kind of pressure on him.

also @Star: I find it very hard to believe that you don't get the case on Monkey. Could you read over his posts again? It's rather obvious.

I asked the question after re-reading over the 4 or so pages we had in the game at that point, and I still don't understand it, which is why I asked.

I don't ask questions that I can answer myself.

On Pomegranate

I don't think that that necessarily means that Starbuck gave him the doublevote today. It seems likely to me that those are unrelated.

Why would you make such a profound statement if you really don't know the situation?

[Starbuck]

Orto, I swear that you and I have been in a game together with manho.

Why do you think that he's an alt?

[Starbuck]

I couldn't tell you which. I keep my Wiki updated, but not with all the players of each game.

I just could swear you've played with him before. He's been around for awhile.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, why would you give me your vote? I mean it's fun getting to be a POWERFUL WIZARD for a day but I'm not sure I get the point.

I'll come clean and claim and maybe it will be understood better.


I am KMD4390, an compulsive avatar gambler but since I couldn't bet my avatar, my role is Vote Gambler.

My ability is since I always lose when I gamble, I had to give someone my vote (or it would have been given out randomly), hence leaving me without one. This is supposed to reset every night.


I looked at the list of players and decided to give it to PZ.



Unfortunately, after I gave PZ my vote, I received a notification that my mind was shattered and that I lost my ability. I am now a Compulsive Vanilla Townie, but I'll still turn up as the Vote Gambler.



So pretty much some asshole just made me a VT and now this game is going to suck for me, because I always draw VT roles of some kind in any big game and it makes it boring as all hell.



If you can't tell, I'm a bit bitter.

[Starbuck]

I'm not sure if I'm permanently stumped. Hopefully since I'm now a VT, the vote will reset tonight and I'll be able to vote tomorrow.

I only elaborated because I don't have the ability anymore. It was taken away from me by someone.

[Starbuck]

UK is also the person who claimed scum and survived an entire game.

Unvote, Vote Zazier

[Starbuck]

Orto, remember my vote doesn't count for anything.

Still need 2.

[Starbuck]

MY VOTE DOESN'T COUNT FOR ANYTHING

Just a reminder

[Starbuck]

This is an easy vote, although I'll have no idea if it works until I see a vote count.

Vote: ortolan

Also, tajo, you really need to read Day 1. My vote didn't count for anything due to my stumpyness, but Zazie was not acting like a cop with who received a scum investigation.

[Starbuck]

Second, SB, werent you supposed to get a notification today telling you what is going on with your vote?

I thought so, but I've received nothing.

[Starbuck]

Also at what point did you give your vote to Zito?

Night 0

[Starbuck]

I don't think I've ever played with Pokerface.

Can someone give me a run down of his playstyle?

[Starbuck]

I want to see something and I will get back on orto.

I want to see if my actual vote is back or if someone is double voting.

Unvote
Vote: Niv

[Starbuck]

Unvote

My vote is back! Yay!

[Starbuck]

So why are we shifting from orto to nhammen? I'm half asleep.

[Starbuck]

V/LA Starting now until Tuesday May 25th.

We have a big on base festival this weekend and I work for Security. So I'll either be on patrol or volunteering at one of our booths

[Starbuck]

Sorry, I had a hella busy last week and weekend.


I am definitely of the party that thinks Monkey should claim his results. His delay and then asking for a nameclaim is just making me more suspicious of him.


He finally gives his results in Post 410, which are...

Starbuck is KMD
Manho is Kublai Khan
Populartajo is Benmage

I claimed KMD in Post 148.
Manho softclaims in Post 63.
Tajo never claims.

Starbuck and populartajo have been lurking and manho has been acting suspicious.

Starbuck posted her V/LA on Friday and it goes until tomorrow.

Via Post 376.

Convenient how you leave that out of your accusation.

To be honest I hadn't been playing that close attention. I hadn't noticed the Sprye and Starbuck nameclaims and I kind of clumsily put all my investigations in one basket rather than address each one individually. So my bad for that, but scum don't have any more need for namecops(perhaps even less so), than town, so there are some that think I am a role/name cop and some that think I am a scum cop, no one seems to agree, they just seem lynch happy. But I am town, I gave my results in good faith even though I didn't want to, and they are accurate, so I don't really know what else you are looking for.

I'm calling bullshit on all of this.

How could you not notice the name claims? Especially mine, when there was quite a bit of posts about and surrounding it.

Vote: MonkeyMan576

And yes, I do realize that I am the hammer.

[Starbuck]

Is it something like a bus driver?

[Starbuck]

I highly, highly doubt that Monkey was able to tell just from manho's softclaim that manho is Kublai Khan. I feel that manho is from the same faction as Monkey.

Mostly it makes sense to give the names of NOT your faction so that if they vocally support you and then you rope you haven't just screwed them all.

Not always though.

When I'm scum and I build suspect lists or claim targets (either here or on View Askew), I always include at least one of my scumbuddies.

I just don't think you should assume this.

Vote: manho

[Starbuck]

Holy fuck delete that please.

[Starbuck]

That's what I get for having MS up in multiple windows.

[Starbuck]

V/LA for Memorial Day Weekend - I'll be in and out, but in case I don't end up being around, I don't want to get shit for not posting a V/LA.

[Starbuck]

Unvote

for now.

[Starbuck]

STARBUUUUCK <3 <3 <3 <3

RECKKKKKKKKK <3 <3 <3 <3

You are my favorite kind of breaded chikin.

Am I caught up?

Well, depends how you define it. I haven't read most of D1 or D2 (and a good part of D3), but at this point I'm not behind.

Are you going to give a response to the case that Cuttlefish built on you in Post 466?

[Starbuck]

I am Rayfrost, and basically, if I'm lynched, the day continues.

Oh, when I'm lynched, I flip before the day continues; forgot that.

This means we lynch Pom and then get more discussion.

Agreed, but I am very wary of the people who are saying that she's town and she still should swing.




So, Reck, who are your top suspects and why?

[Starbuck]

Your avatars are getting better and better.

Thank you.

And btw, I love you more than Reck does.

He didn't even acknowledge my love back to him earlier.

This is what I read from this:
"I agree that we should lynch Pom and then continue discussion. HOWEVER I think that the people who want to lynch Pom are suspicious. SO in order to make people gong for a Pom lynch look scummy without contradicting myself I'm not going to vote for Pom, EVEN THOUGH I AGREED THAT LYNCHING HER IS A GOOD IDEA."

Way to strawman the shit out of what I said and not ask me what I meant.

I agreed with the more discussion factor. Not that she should swing, which reading back I didn't really make clear. That's my fault, but why would you not ask me what I meant rather than assuming you know what I meant?

You were a prime pusher of Pom's lynch and it seems like you are trying to go out of your way here to paint me in a negative light.

So, Reck, who are your top suspects and why?

hahahahaha oh Starbuck. You know me well enough to know that it's rather absurd to expect me to have a list of suspects only a week after replacing into a game. It cramps my lazy-style.

I know well enough that you would have something to say after catching up with the game. We have yet to see any thoughts of yours from before you replaced in.

[Starbuck]

I haven't caught up yet Starbuck.

Well do it.

Before I pistol whip you.

[Starbuck]

Manho, why is Cuttlefish scum?

[Starbuck]

The issue I have with that post, Starbuck, is that you didn't vote for Pom when there was clearly no disadvantage to having her lynched. It looks like scum fishing for town cred to me.

I didn't vote for Pom because I felt that she was town.

There was a disadvantage to lynching her. ONE LESS TOWNIE.

Why can you not see this?

[Starbuck]

Well Reck, I still want your opinion of the last 3 days.

Vote: Reck

[Starbuck]

Where did I say she was useful?

[Starbuck]

You say there's a disadvantage to having one less townie. I'd like to know what you think that is.

Hello, MYLO and LYLO.

Are you really asking me this question?

[Starbuck]

You failing to acknowledge that we lost a townie (whether or not she was active) greatly disturbs me.

Unvote
Vote: Cuttlefish

You definitely are not pushing a town agenda.

[Starbuck]

Don't really understand why I was prodded, but whatever.

I have nothing to add because nothing new has been presented.

[Starbuck]

I'm still awaiting a catch up post of some kind from Reck.

[Starbuck]

V/LA for weekend as well

Benmage - WTF at stalling

Reck - even if you have to go 5 pages at a time, I expect a catch up post. Please don't SaintKerrigan this up please.

[Starbuck]

Reck, this is from Saturday, let's go bubba.

[Starbuck]

Just checking in because we've moved.

Reck, who do you want to claim next?

[Starbuck]

Starbuck claimed on Day 1.

[Starbuck]

If we had an ISO option, I totally would.

[Starbuck]

Where did Mask claim?

Did I miss it?

[Starbuck]

Yessir.

[Starbuck]

Mind shattered is when people don't listen to PZ and target him anyway and lose their kewl powerz.

For the record, I did mine on Night 0 before I knew that.

[Starbuck]

So out of all those you think Kunk's is the worst why?

[Starbuck]

The easiest way that I could iso was on msutils.




Mask NEVER CLAIMED.



MSUTILS Search on his posts for this game

Unvote
Vote: kunk

For lying about Mask's claim

[Starbuck]

I'm getting there. I'm working on a Notepad document.


We want a FULL claim, which INCLUDES FLAVOR.



What are you trying to cover up for him, huh?

[Starbuck]

It seems to me like you don't really WANT him to full claim.

[Starbuck]

I

want

to get into the kunkstar concern, but.. I can't put my finger on it. There's nothing about him that sticks out.

This quote about kunk highly bothers me.

Here is where he claimed he targeted Zito on Page 19

And yes, I messed around and targeted Zito before reading the thread.

Here is where he claimed RB on Page 15

I tried to be slick about it so as not to reveal myself as an active role, but I lost it now. And yes, I asked for roles that may have manipulated (read, a bus driver) orto to speak up because if my RB went through onto orto as I intended, combined with the shot kill flavor's absence, then I could trust orto was telling the truth about being a vig and the likely shooter.

Again, still no full claim.



I'm pretty damn sure at this point that kunk and Mask are scumbuddies.

[Starbuck]

Dammit, I didn't copy and paste the whole thing...

Here is the Post on page 14 that kunk is talking about

Since my mind has shattered as well, I see no harm in claiming. I roleblocked orto the night after zazie was lynched. Everything added up with the sledgehammer/mafia kill still going through, yet the shot kill was missing.

What I find interesting is that orto did not claim to be roleblocked, or perhaps wasn't told.

He still claims AFTER ORTOLAN DIES that he RB'd Orto, when Orto CANNOT confirm or deny this for us.


It's all fucking fishy.



Also, he says that he targeted PZ, but on what night?

We are on Day 4, which means that including Night 0 that the Mask should have 1 target for each night, alongside his FULL FLAVOR CLAIM.

[Starbuck]

I came out about being shattered by PZ here in the second post from the bottom on page 6.



I have to get ready for work or I'd look further for you.

[Starbuck]

What do you mean I didn't specify full claim? What in the fuck do you think we've been doing these last few days?

How can you find flavor not important when EVERYONE has been stating their FULL CLAIMS WITH FLAVOR AND ALL? THAT WAS THE POINT OF OUR MASS CLAIM!


Why do you continue to answer for The Mask?


He needs to get in here and full claim.

[Starbuck]

PZ look at the rest of the counts. 3 of us are voting for kunk and only 1 works. The same with manho.

WTF.

[Starbuck]

Nevermind, dram fixed it as I posted the above.

[Starbuck]

Where is the exact post that Monkey slipped that Spy was a miller?


Also, what is your reasoning for voting manho? I'm a little confused.

[Starbuck]

I'm voting kunkstar because he feels that the mass claim is over, and is continuing to answer for The Mask.

The Mask has not full claimed.

[Starbuck]

Mod: Request prod on The Mask

[Starbuck]

What's the flavor, Mask?

Why as Pom are you a Roleblocker?

Unvote
Vote: The Mask

[Starbuck]

The fact that you still are only giving bits of your claim and NOT THE FULL FLAVOR is disturbing.

The Mask's reluctance is very scummy.

[Starbuck]

The thing that's wrong with you claiming you didn't read the thread is that last I knew you were in this game from the start. And you hit him on NIGHT 2.

WTF.


Last I knew, scum didn't read the thread.

[Starbuck]

So Mask, who did you target N3?

[Starbuck]

Why are you leaving that out?

[Starbuck]

Care to elaborate Will?

[Starbuck]

If you had read the game like you were supposed to, you would know why I am semi-clear.

[Starbuck]

Spy and Reck, I want reasons of why you suspect manho.

[Starbuck]

Idk....Cuttlefish has been quite mum for quite sometime.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, why would you give me your vote? I mean it's fun getting to be a POWERFUL WIZARD for a day but I'm not sure I get the point.

I'll come clean and claim and maybe it will be understood better.


I am KMD4390, an compulsive avatar gambler but since I couldn't bet my avatar, my role is Vote Gambler.

My ability is since I always lose when I gamble, I had to give someone my vote (or it would have been given out randomly), hence leaving me without one. This is supposed to reset every night.


I looked at the list of players and decided to give it to PZ.



Unfortunately, after I gave PZ my vote, I received a notification that my mind was shattered and that I lost my ability. I am now a Compulsive Vanilla Townie, but I'll still turn up as the Vote Gambler.



So pretty much some asshole just made me a VT and now this game is going to suck for me, because I always draw VT roles of some kind in any big game and it makes it boring as all hell.



If you can't tell, I'm a bit bitter.

[Starbuck]

There ya go.

[Starbuck]

Reck, I honestly don't understand how you think that manho is the best chance of hitting scum when you have no reads whatsoever.

Vote: Reck

[Starbuck]

Looking at Reck in iso is quite a trip. I'm definitely feeling his scum meta here.

He replaces in and just iso's Pom when asked. He jumps all over her for not contributing anything useful, which is complete hypocrisy on his part now because he has never caught up with the game. So he's just as useless as Pom was.

He also does the same with Zang, just iso's him and says he's scum WITHOUT READING THE REST OF THE GAME.

Hmm - Zang's iso is bad. But it reads almost newbtown instead of newbscum.

But later on he contradicts himself and says...

I said it's hard to tell between newbtown and newbscum.

I honestly don't see you saying that the above in that first quote.

This feels like he is trying to pull some of the heat off of Zang, and it worked because Zang (now Benmage) is really on no one's radar.


The following comment rubs me the wrong way...

We should massclaim at the last possible moment.

Sounds like someone stalling for a fakeclaim.

I'm Percy. VT.

Flavor mentions something about me being sick and tired of cults and just wanting to be a normal person for a change. I don't know muchanything about Percy as a player so I don't get it.

I've played with Percy once or twice. Does anyone know his meta or history?


He then votes kunk after the massclaim because...

His claim was by far the most unbelievable of the VTs.

And his constant excuse through his iso is "I haven't caught up yet". He replaced in on May 31st. It is now June 23rd. 3 weeks and 2 days later. That's ample time to catch up.

STOP BEING SAINTKERRIGAN, RECK!

[Starbuck]

I've asked for serious explanations on why manho is scum and I haven't received them. Reck may be my friend, but I WILL NOT blindly follow someone who hasn't even read the fucking game.

[Starbuck]

nhammen, I have loads of experience with Reck. He's my MS BFF.

I love that Reck is just as anal retentive as me about his Wiki.


Reck as teh Scumzorz when I played with him...

Mini 833 - Empire at War

Zombies Large Theme

The Empire one is probably an easier read, but ever since Zombies when him and ABR were fighting like cats and dogs (and I thought it was just because they don't get along), and they both turned out to be scumz. I start looking at who Reck is fighting with.

[Starbuck]

Sorry, I only answer questions from people who have read the game.

[Starbuck]

Awww.

e-friendship off.

Whatever, you love me. You need me. You can't live without me.

[Starbuck]

And what of his interactions with you, kunk?

[Starbuck]

I feel that Reck is the center of this little universe of kunk and manho. My vote will not be moving.

[Starbuck]

So next time will you people fucking listen to me when I say that Reck is playing his scum meta.


And it's nice to see that I was right about him, Cuttle and kunk.

[Starbuck]

PZ, I only gave you my vote because I heart you.

I had I known you'd shatter my mindz, I wouldn't have done it.

[Starbuck]

dramonic, can you explain that?

[Starbuck]

Well dram, I can't wait for Scummers Mafia - Part Deux.