Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!

[Kmd4390]

Not-yet Confirmed

2. xofelf
13. Anon
15. curiouskarmadog
16. FeFiFoFum
21. ooba

I don't know FFFF.

Vote: FFFF

Will check

^Calculated vote=scummy.

vote: Sensfan

Policy gogogo.

Elaborate please.

vote Sens

You are voting on the largest wagon with no other text in you post. Elaborate, otherwise this is scummy.

True, I am not psychic; but I have always considered myself to have above average intelligence; regardless, it didn't take a degree in advanced cryptography to decipher this encrypted message:

Hi, scumbuddy!

But I applaud your efforts to make something out of nothing.

FoS: Drippereth

xvart.

Vote xvart

Lets try and take this in a different direction. When you consider the fact that not random voting almost always without fail draws suspicion on the perpetrator, why in the world would scum not random vote?

Because they know that town is going to realize that no scum in their right mind would do it, so the player who does it must be town. So you do it for town points.

I find it a significant anti-Town action to not random vote.
On Day 1, if all else is equal, I'll vote for anti-Town actions before I vote for scummy actions.
Hense the vote.

I never random vote. Am I a good Day 1 policy lynch in every game I play?

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Scumlist:
xvart
Budja
Elmo
Iec

[Kmd4390]

Elaborate please.

Sorry, confidential.

This isn't a good way to play. "OMG I'm getting all these reactions" isn't a reason not to expand on why Sens would be a good policy lynch.

I think Kmd is misrepresenting SF's point here. SF claimed that failure to random vote is a net scumtell. He didn't approach the policy lynch issue. Also, if there's a bizarre policy lynch anywhere, it's the one on SF. Namely, his playstyle's been perfectly acceptable in the games I've played with him.

Ok, what is the correct term for lynching an anti-town player over a scummy player if it's not a policy lynch?

kmd post84: what in that quote made you vote xvart?

1) Seems to have placed a serious vote based on the "scum claim"
2) classic OMGUS FoS attached with the "something out of nothing" line

Starbuck used similar rhetoric as town ("Bella's Mom") D1 in Twilight IIRC. D1 lynch.

Actually, if you mean the Zwet wagon in that game, I'm pretty sure Starbuck supported that. (Wow, didn't realize how much of that Mod/playerlist group was in this game)

Because they know that town is going to realize that no scum in their right mind would do it, so the player who does it must be town. So you do it for town points.

Kmd4390:

Same questions as I posed to farside: in your opinion, Escoulta is guaranteed town the rest of the game since that "no scum in their right mind would do it"? If Escoulta later acts scummy on other merits you would dismiss it because he couldn't possibly be scum? What if we do lynch Escoulta and he flips scum?

I think I missed the part where Esco is confirmed town.

You should probably FoS more of the people voting you though. I think you missed a couple.

Also, appealing to Page number is bad. Especially when you placed a vote on "claimed scum" on Page 1.

both Sens and KMD the way they play each game more often than not reveals their role. They react differently to the exact same thing depending on their alignment that game.

I disagree. My playstyle is more affected by playerlist/game interest/mood/recent games/etc than by alignment, and DEFINITELY role. I usually ignore my role until night unless I have a day-time role.

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Sens, you are mistaken. I told you back in the day that I have one ridiculously accurate meta tell on you (which I kick myself for missing in Big Brother Mafia)

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Anon!
I agree with most of those, but methinks Elvis isn't in this game.

lol, that would explain why she was lurking.

I lol'd.

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xvart, stop misrepping me. I'm scum and don't want people to realize you've figured out my entire scum team's plot to make you look as bad as possible by piling every single one of our votes on you.

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Spy, lmao @ scum breadcrumb.

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Jack's comment is more dumb than scummy.

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Scumlist:
xvart
Iec
Elmo
Zito
possibly Sens, Socio, CKD

Vote Count 07: Lynch

Starbuck - 1 - PaltryExcuse
Drippereth - 3 - J-Scope, Cyberbob, xvart
Steam Powered Shovel - 1 - Starbuck
SensFan - 2 - Steam-Powered Shovel, curiouskarmadog
FeFiFoFum - 1 - Jack
Starbuck - 1 - Cobalt
xvart -

8

- Elmocrates, Budja, Drippereth, Kmd4390, farside22, ooba, FeFiFoFum, Anon
Anon - 1 - Elscouta
MehPlusRawr - 1 - Papa Zito
xofelf - 1 - SensFan
Jack - 3 - SpyreX, Iecerint, SocioPath

Not Voting (2): MehPlusRawr, xofelf

With 25 players alive it'll take 13 to lynch and 13 to no-Lynch.

There are no players in the

Halls of Mandos

, so right now there are no

Revive

or

Destroy

counts.

[Kmd4390]

The Sens vote had nothing to do with reactions. Confidential = private.

Also, happy birthday.

I don't understand how it can hurt to tell us why Sens should be policy lynched. I don't see how it helps not to tell us. You are making no sense by witholding this.

Thank you.

I want to know why Jack decided it was a good time to talk about breadcrumbing.

Its distracting from other topics that were just starting to get good attention (xofelf's meta claim, a new wave of xvart votes and defense), which is a bit suspicious coming from someone who hasn't been scumhunting.

Bolding mine. No, we don't want this info. It should have never come up and shouldn't be discussed now. This reeks of scum trying to spring up a discussion about who a townie thought might be a power role. Basically, extended rolefishing.

I'd vote you on this alone if the xvart wagon wasn't so good.

And say lol? I don't even know how to react to this because

nobody

is dumb enough to say this unsarcastically; but on the other hand you aren't showing any objective signs of actually being sarcastic.

Yeah, I'm sarcastic pretty often and people can rarely tell. I have a friend who is the same way. Scary thing is, I may be playing a game soon with this friend as a hydra.

I feel wiser already.

Scum alerting the town to the presence of a breadcrumb is a bad idea because it might tip off any protective roles that didn't see it. It would be much better as scum to just sit on that information. This Jack wagon is unremarkable.

Then again, the exchange Jack and Spyrex had made me do a double take: Jackscum

Conspiracy theory: The breadcrumb doesn't exist.

Conspiracy theory #2: [redacted]

Iecerint's wagon hop is giving me the heebie jeebies.

-crates

^Elmocrates' towniest post all game.

By Elmo's logic, cops should claim D1, because protective roles will be able to find them, anyway.

Awesome misrep.

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I see Cyberbob keeps mentioning my scumclaim. Basically, I was getting sick of Xvart's assumptions that anyone who says they are scum in the RVS must be and then he goes on to say that Farside and I are clearing him and stuff so yeah.

People are here for Easter now though, so I'll finish reading this later.

Note to self: Start at 213

[Kmd4390]

As much as I hate "I'm still here" posts......














I'm still here.

[Kmd4390]

Hmm. Started to read up and started getting tired. I'm through page 13 and probably won't go through responding to every little thing, but I'll finish reading and am here if anyone has questions.

Why did the xvart wagon die? Did he get run up to L-1 and claim or something? Where is the xofelf wagon coming from?

[Kmd4390]

Jscope, so they are both lurker wagons?

[Kmd4390]

Vote xofelf

Don't want to no lynch

[Kmd4390]

I am the town watcher and Watched farside get targetted by j-scope

Vote JScope

Revive Farside

[Kmd4390]

Unvote

so we have time to revive Farside. If Jscope flips scum, Farside is confirmed town barring a gambit by a scum-FFFF.

[Kmd4390]

Holy shit ooba.

[Kmd4390]

Hmm. I was about to pop in and say that we should lynch FFFF even if he is telling the truth because of info I have.

*Shrug*

Vote FFFF

just in case I miscounted.

Vote Count 2 - 09: Lynch

J-Scope - 2 - Cobalt, Starbuck
FeFiFoFum -

12

- J-Scope, curiouskarmadog, Steam-Powered Shovel, Elscouta, MehPlusRawr, Iecerint, ooba, SocioPath, SpyreX, Budja, Jack, Kmd4390
Elscouta - 2 - Cyberbob, FeFiFoFum

Not Voting (6): Drippereth, Papa Zito, xvart, Anon, Nachomamma8, SensFan,

With 22 players alive it'll take 12 to lynch and 11 to no-Lynch.

[Kmd4390]

Destroy FFFF
Revive Drip
Vote xvart

[Kmd4390]

Is it bad I didn't even realize that xvart wasn't around?

Nah. It means you probably aren't his scumbuddy.

[Kmd4390]

Revive: J-Scope

Why Jscope over Drip?

Are you saying that you do not have that tendency?

I don't. The time I can think of that I had a lot of catching up to do in multiple games, the ones that got my attention first were those which I found most interesting or were the lightest read. Alignment had nothing to do with it.

Unvote

. This crap attack has me reconsidering.

KMD and Bob (and whoever voted to revive anyone else but J-scope) J-scope was forced to claim yesterday and we know he is some sort of power role. Then he is killed. Why are you voting anyone else to revive?

Oh shit, forgot all that.

Unrevive

if I can do that. Need to reread the part where we had some claims.

vote: Kmd

So what's up with the actively lurking? What's with the vote on xvart? You have been really quiet and so far I'm not liking your play.

Actively lurking? My bad. Didn't think I was...

xvart had been scummy since the very beginning of the game and I'd like him lynched. Read my ISO for the original case then see his disappearing act yesterday (even if the v/la was legit and not a point against him, it still means I can't find anything new to add to the case because he wasn't here, so I have to go on his Day 1 actions).

Catching up today. Just in case anyone hasn't seen it, mith just banned FFFF for being a Mufasa alt.

So I guess he was honestly lying as town then.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, about Jscope, he never claimed anything that makes me go "oh, he's town", but the fact that he hinted at being a power role and is now dead is enough for me to assume he was killed by an anti-town faction. Problem is, the number of kills means multiple anti-town killing factions is probable.

Jack apparently knows JScope's ability and didn't vote to revive him. Either he sees it as non-town, IS non-town, or forgot.

Revive Drip

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Also, looking at FFFFs' ISO, he openly said in this game that he was mufasa. Not sure how I missed that.

Nor how

I

missed that. Sorry everyone.

[Kmd4390]

re

vote xvart

. Just realized I had a bad reason for unvoting.

Budja, if you felt Drip was town, why were they intimidating?

Zito is town because he PM'd Plum to complain about his reads. He wouldn't do it as scum and I doubt he'd lie about it expecting someone to see it as a towntell. So Zito is confirmed town.

[Kmd4390]

hi
is anyone else not feeling the usual minty-fresh obvtown aura spyrex usually exudes?

Meh, he's not obvtown, but he's not scummy. I hate neutral reads, but I really don't see anything one way or the other on Spy...

is there an easier way to review passed vote counts that dont involve scanning page by page?

Would be nice...

[Kmd4390]

Zito is town because he PM'd Plum to complain about his reads. He wouldn't do it as scum and I doubt he'd lie about it expecting someone to see it as a towntell. So Zito is confirmed town.

God, you're naïve (alternatively: scum).

Give me a scenario where that post comes from scum.

Reasoning for voting? It sounds like you are still satisfied with the D1 case or is there more to it now?

Yeah it's pretty much Day 1 stuff.

[Kmd4390]

Zito is town because he PM'd Plum to complain about his reads. He wouldn't do it as scum and I doubt he'd lie about it expecting someone to see it as a towntell. So Zito is confirmed town.

God, you're naïve (alternatively: scum).

Give me a scenario where that post comes from scum.

Okay. Imagine if you will a scum who's, get this, trying to look pro-town. So he figures he could back up his claim of having trouble with reads by referencing this concrete (but uncorfirmable) thing he did. I'll grant you that "he actually did it"-explanation is, in general, more parsimonious, but on the other hand I find it weird that he would complain to the mod about his reads.

I can see a scum saying "I have bad reads", but I can't see a scum going "well, that looks more believable if I lie and say I complained to the Mod". I am positive that Zito did this, so at the very least, he's non scum. Wait....


OMG

Scratch that, scratch all of it....

He could be a scum looking for another scum group and having a hard time finding them.

Because of...
all the kills.

Never mind, forget the entire argument.

[Kmd4390]

Just popping in to say I won't be responding to CKD. That is all.

[Kmd4390]

MORE PRESSURE ON KMD

There are clearly better options. Xvart, Iec, Budja, and Zito for example.

[Kmd4390]

Ok, whatever.

I saw the claim and thought "Sweet, results on a scum". FFFF got all Mufasa-like on us though and that brings me to something.

I have information that FFFF's power can be transfered to someone else if he dies. That's as much as I'm saying on the matter.

So, knowing that, it was fine if he died. Either he's a power role and somebody more useful can take over as the watcher OR he's scum.

[Kmd4390]

I know, right?

[Kmd4390]

....

Huh.

Is that the only time you're going to have bizarro world information like this?

Probably.

[Kmd4390]

I have information that FFFF's power can be transfered to someone else if he dies. That's as much as I'm saying on the matter.

Can you explain how you got this information?

Nope.

[Kmd4390]

I have information that FFFF's power can be transfered to someone else if he dies. That's as much as I'm saying on the matter.

Can you explain how you got this information?

Nope.

Is there a good reason to withhold how you got the info?

Yep.

[Kmd4390]

I won't be answering more questions about this. FFFF has been lynched and destroyed so any more info can't directly benefit the town.

[Kmd4390]

I have information that FFFF's power

can

be transfered to someone else if he dies. That's as much as I'm saying on the matter.

Emphasis mine. Doesn't automatically get transferred?

xvart.

Well, technically there was no guarantee until we voted to destroy him, but whatever.

[Kmd4390]

Also, a note to the person who will get FFFF's power, obviously don't try to confirm me by commenting on it when the next day starts. I think you're a smart enough player to figure this out, but better safe than sorry.

[Kmd4390]

Revive Drip
Destroy Steam
Vote xvart

Good news. FFFF's power successfully transfered, which someone already knows. Use it well.

CKD had asked me if other powers can be transfered. All I can say is I doubt it.

[Kmd4390]

Good news. FFFF's power successfully transfered, which someone already knows. Use it well.

CKD had asked me if other powers can be transfered. All I can say is I doubt it.

you received a message saying that the power were transfered or is that a guess?

Plum told me that.

And I'm cocked but

That part is right. I even checked.

And please no comments about being cocked at 3:30


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Xvart is scum, wheres all the votes????????????

Anon might be too, but why is Cobalt's name coming up? I don't remember him doing anything relevant actually...

[Kmd4390]

Unvote, Vote CKD

[Kmd4390]

Farside, CKD is scum for the need to softclaim after just three votes. I almost wanna say he's a better player than that and is doing it to intentionally seem scummy, but on Day 4? I dunno.

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Zito, xvart is scum for over reacting to votes and misrepping on Day 1.

[Kmd4390]

CKD, I'm saying you are acting so scummy that it looks newbscum which you obviously aren't.

[Kmd4390]

So when I talked about why Anon's scumbuddies didn't want him lynched, you answered as if I was talking to you, and gave a fence sitting opinion of him.

I was talking to SpyreX, Jack. lolirony

ANYWAY FINE

unvote: CKD

vote: Anon

This exchange

and this:

Dear town,

If Anon flips scum, Cyberbob is a buddy, Cobalt probably not.

Just FYI.


Love,

PZ

have me a little concerned about Zito's alignment. Only if Anon is actually scum though.

for the record,

that is not what I am doing

...if you town and really are trying to figure it out, we can discuss it (if it isnt obvious by) end game. I am never happy dying, if you check out my wiki, I care about my game wins and losses, I never just throw away games.

(Bolding mine) You should probably fill us in on what you ARE doing if you don't find rope around your neck to be comfortable.

i'm okay with an anon lynch. i think cobalt is a better lynch.

Vote Cobalt

Why Cobalt over Anon?

[Kmd4390]

Unvoote, Vote xvart

CKD is playing that way intentionally...

[Kmd4390]

Oh shit, deadline.

Unvote, Vote CKD

[Kmd4390]

Iec, hammer.

[Kmd4390]

CKD, any reason why you've been trying to act like a newbie?

[Kmd4390]

I don't mean the image thing. I mean your play.

(And I always manage to fuck up posting images when I try )

[Kmd4390]

I think you have to get it to like photobucket or something then do [ IMG ] <url> [ /img ] without the spaces or something.

[Kmd4390]

so since you want Iece to hammer, I assume you are asserting that I am acting like newbie scum?....

I think that for some reason you are being intentionally scummy and newbish. I have no idea why.

Protip: When you go "OMG I GAVE TOWN SO MUCH INFO", do us all a favor and analyze said "info" yourself. Otherwise, it tends to go ignored for the most part.

I don't really care who hammers, but Iec was online recently and isn't already voting you and said he'd do it. If he doesn't come back before deadline, he's worse than Budja as far as avoiding hammering because he specifically said he'd do it.

[Kmd4390]

ha...quoted the PM..then pulled the image location out of that.

Heh, not sure why I didn't think of that.

Vote Count 4 - 22: Lynch

curiouskarmadog -

8

- Budja, Anon, Papa Zito, MehPlusRawr, SpyreX, Cyberbob, J-Scope, Kmd4390
Anon - 1 - Starbuck
Iecerint - 1 - SocioPath
Budja - 5 - ooba, farside22, xvart, Jack, curiouskarmadog

Not Voting (2): Cobalt, Iecerint

With 17 players alive it'll take 9 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

Deadline will be Wednesday May 10th at 8:26 PM Eastern Time.

[Kmd4390]

I'm not hammering I think CKD is town.

Would you prefer a No Lynch to a CKD lynch?

CKD, you're gonna do this the hard way, aren't you?

Who on your wagon is scummiest and why? Why are the early voters scummiest? Which of them are scummiest? Why? Who called you town like you say and what are your thoughts on those players? Don't be afraid to get specific.

[Kmd4390]

Revive Nacho
Destroy Cobalt

Won't be voting CIeceRinkWolfScum til we revive/destroy.

MPR jumping on the slip is scummy, especially after Drip revealed that is was a misread and MPR still sees a slip.

xvart needs to die.

[Kmd4390]

Vote SocioPath

Super Secret Scumtell TM

[Kmd4390]

Revive Nacho
Destroy Cobalt

Heh, got excited and forgot to do those.

[Kmd4390]

But Socio is

confirmed scum

.

[Kmd4390]

Spy, I pinky promise. And that shit's legit.

MPR should probably be lynched tomorrow.

Then xvart.

[Kmd4390]

Oh, he's scum.

[Kmd4390]

Someone tell me what we're doing. I'm willing to sheep along with whatever since everyone else seems much better informed than I am.

We are lynching Socio, reviving Nacho, and destroying whoever.

[Kmd4390]

Well that's obnoxious.

[Kmd4390]

Just die already

[Kmd4390]

He even breadcrumbed it.

Vo

^{te: _K}M

D4

30[/sub]

09[/s]K[/i]

^Clearly says K9.

[Kmd4390]

Unvote

til we get a vote count. Don't want to go without destroying again.

[Kmd4390]

Vote SocioPath

[Kmd4390]

Is there anything else that needs to be discussed before tonight?

Not really except that the person with the watch should probably watch me.

Someone should probably just hammer. I don't think Socio is even going to give an attempt to save himself.

[Kmd4390]

We have two watches tonight. Kmd and spy seem the most important.

Hmm. Honestly, forgot about Spy claiming JK.

Ok, so here's the to do list:
-Watcher, choose me or Spy to watch. Doesn't really matter which.
-Town, if I die and the watcher doesn't claim a guilty, lynch MPR
-Don't forget that MPR is scum via Spy.
-Finish off the destroys. Order doesn't matter

[Kmd4390]

Hey guys, remember when I said FFFF's power was transfered?

Heh, funny story.

I was actually a universal backup. So first power role to die, I got their role.

So I was the one who actually got FFFF's power.

And that's how I knew Socio was scum.

Good times.

[Kmd4390]

@KMD, I guessed that and thats why we killed you .

But you had no idea til I nailed Socio.

[Kmd4390]

Oh.

Plum.

Couldn't help but notice.

Your revival mechanic was eerily similar to the one I used in Avatar Mafia which started at almost the exact same time as this one and we were each a player in each other's game. The fact that only a certain race could be revived was common in both. A revival was up to living players in each game even though mine was one specific player and yours was the town as a whole. The only major difference is that we knew about it here from the very beginning. Oh, and we both gave the option to either revive or destroy even though we called it different things.

So...um. Great minds think alike?