Note to self: If swet flips scum, raider is confirmed town. But not necessarily the other way around.raider8169 wrote: Cant we do that without killing him or is the killing him to ensure that he is town or scum before hand?
Pretty much, except, if he's scum, which I consider is more likely than town, his buddies are bus'ing hard.raider8169 wrote:If he is town then scum are ganging up on him and if he is scum he is being bus'd?
Urgh. what????raider8169 wrote:Either way town can hide in there all the same its just too easy for him to be lynched and everyone look the other way.
No, I didn't read anything. I guess I should. DisCode didn't join because DisCode isn't scum bus'ing zwet, what's your point?Iecerint wrote:DGB, did you finish reading the thread? Do you have favorite scum? Also, I don't think DisCode ever joined the zwet wagon. Please make up a better scum barometer.
"those who joined the wagon before me are scum while those who joined the wagon after me are town."Iecerint wrote:I interpreted this as "those who joined the wagon before me are scum while those he joined he after me are town." I thought you'd read the thread and erred somewhere. But I guess you were just joking about an 11+ member scumteam? Or did I misinterpret it?DrippingGoofball wrote:DeathNote all you need to know now is that zwet is being mega-bus'ed by his buddies, and we have to kill him, then take a long hard look at all the people on his wagon so far. Before me = scumz, me and after = townz.
I haven't a clue why he made this decision, however, the alternative was to remain vanilla. Maybe he was bored.Kdub wrote:Welcome to the game DG. Since you replaced DisCode, who did not answer for his early-game actions, can you explain why he decided to turn himself into a miller? I'm not asking for a full claim, I just want to know what his motivation could have been for doing that if you are town.
NOT WHEN I'M AROUND - it's rather the complete opposite.raider8169 wrote:It allows scum to hide in the bandwagon and get away with an easy townie lynch without raising suspicions.
Nah, not 3rd party, totally outguessing the mod here. And the ModVoice is prettty earnest and not manipulative so I say town.Papa Zito wrote:DGB, why the hell is the modvoice town? The very best I'd give him is 3rd party.
I KNEW that was coming, haha, only a scumbag would pull out this "argument."xRECKONERx wrote:All.... twelve of us are scum, DG?
I bet you can guess.xRECKONERx wrote:::eyeroll:: Since you provided examples for other people, please inform me why I'm on that list.
It's not the last few posts, I've only read up until page 16!saberwolf wrote:Seeing as DGB has never played with me before, I'll forgive him for not knowing I was just being a smartass with the last couple of posts due to the stupid question asked at me. I however, slap him for including me a second time on that list for no reason whatsoever
Read him again, and tell me if a scum who's trying not to get caught would make ANY of this posts, haha.Papa Zito wrote:Help me with your DeathNote read.
My Plum read is very incomplete, again I am on page 16, I just know that no scum in their right mind would own up to agreeing with zwet if zwet is their buddy!Papa Zito wrote:Also Plum.
I have a quote on xReckonerx?zwetschenwasser wrote:xReckoner is my top pick for scum for the quote DGB beat me to.
Your buddy has given up and is afraid to give you and his other team mates away if he talks too much.Cobalt wrote:He logged off. Sigh.
I'm not reading players in iso yet. But only 5 posts? OK, I'm going to give it a shot now.Shotty to the Body wrote:This made me lol, you didn't list fuzzy, have you not gotten to any of his 5 posts yet? =P
fuzzylightning hasn't posted in 8 days, haha. And only appeared on page 9.fuzzylightning wrote:I would like to hear from the rest of the lurkers out there.
And who is Sir Chris referring to in the post that saber is referring to? It clears whoever saber is defending, if saber flips scum. That's why it's of interest.RayFrost wrote:saber's post
Great, if saber is scum you're town.DragonsofSummer wrote:As much as I am going to regret this, I am pretty sure he was talking about me DGB.
Yeah well now he's totally caught scum. Normally he just likes to not play the game, and steal the hammer-joy from those that put in an effort.DragonsofSummer wrote:On which note, zwet obviously is not going to do anything even remotely helpful in this game because we have given him opportunity, and he has time and again done nothing.
There's more than one?xRECKONERx wrote:I was more prodding to figure out who you thought the scum-teams were in that list.
I see all kinds of connections from playing on so many scumteams.xRECKONERx wrote:No, I mean, where do you see the connections?
WOW. That sounds extraordinariscummily awkward.xRECKONERx wrote: Who would be your potential scum teams. Not that there are more than one in the game.
Even if I was scum, there's no way I'd have that information.
I have.Iecerint wrote:DGB, I replaced malthusis. Have you finished reading the thread by now?
They are all serious.Iecerint wrote:Are any of your scumreads serious enough that you could explicate them for me?
The stock that one may attribute to Day1 scumtells.Iecerint wrote:I just don't know how much stock you've placed in them.
Check my scumlist! It's a criteria. Mostly for zeroing in on townies.Iecerint wrote:Have any of the arguments by other players in the game so far been particularly reasonable or bogus?
The real question is, 'what is the probability that he will fakeclaim?' I don't think it's really worth waiting, he has totally given up defending himself. Like the good little caught scum that he is.Iecerint wrote:What do you think is the probability that zwet will claim if L-1'd?
Let's not waste time. This is a big game. Lots of players.Iecerint wrote:No one should lynch zwet just yet. However, it's OK to L-1 him. If he's at L-1 and you want to hammer him, please type "Hammer" in bold for me.
That's a fact, his lynch is not as useful if he flips town as if he flips scum, except that the players that defended him are scum, and Plum rhymes with scum if you get my drift.wolframnhart wrote:3)I can agree with DGB, if Zwet comes up scum his mates were more then likely bussing him, if he flips town, then the votes agaisnt him can still be analyzed to find scum because in a game this big of course there will be scum on a wagon.
Iecerint wrote:OK. Exactly one more person may vote zwet.
ALERT Hammering zwet at this time would be extremely anti-town ALERT
If you would otherwise be OK with hammering but cannot because you do not want to be lame, please follow SirPent's lead and post "Hammer."
Of course.saberwolf wrote:then again, we could both be saying this as scum to credit ourselves and discredit others, so all ideas and options should be available. Scum will be both on and off the wagon.
I can't think of many reasons why a townie would care so much about halting a zwet lynch after he claimed vanilla.Vaya wrote:I don't see why Iec is scum here, Goofball.
Well, as long as it ends up in a hammer... but I hope it's not because your buddies get a special power if they doIecerint wrote:No. You may not hammer. Hammering zwet in any time or fashion is extremely anti-town until I say otherwise (i.e. until 12 hours or so). I appreciate that you have expressed eventual intent to hammer, though.
He's much more useful dead than alive, regardless of alignment.SirPent wrote:i just have the problem that zwet is completely useless to this game. useless town = harmful to towns well being.
If you're going to browbeat the easy-target miller, do it right. If you do it wrong, like you just did, you're scum. And don't worry. I'll die soon enough. I may be the first miller to be NK in the site's history.Kise wrote:DRIPPING GOOF BALLS, TALK ABOUT THE MILLER THING NAO
If I were a jester, I'd be dead already and you'd all have egg on your faces.Kise wrote:First of all.. wtf was that, DGB? For someone that I'm sure is not a jester, you sure do match the playstyle...
If I recall correctly, they found flavor reasons to "clear" a miller. Based on my recollection, no scum in their right mind would stick their necks out to protect a fakeclaiming miller buddy, because the millers always die early, and they'd be uncovered. They wouldn't protect a town miller either, as they'd rather cultivate doubt and associated free lynch. See: Kise.Shotty to the Body wrote:How did you feel about the discussion between Gorrad and Vaya about claims while we were waiting for Dis to come claim?
Not that I care, I accept that I won't be around too long, but your stoking the fire is scummy, especially after the good flavor arguments made by others.Kise wrote:DRIPPING GOOF BALLS, TALK ABOUT THE MILLER THING NAO
Plum TWICE defended zwet - obv Plum is scum in need of town cred.Cobalt wrote:hmmmmm
vote hayker
dgb, what's the plum case?
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 47#1992847Cobalt wrote:who do you think would be scum with plum?
Sometimes, people say odd things on purpose, to cause a physiological reaction experts refer to as 'laughter.'wolframnhart wrote:Why would you trust someone and use the wording "Especially if she's scum"? that just seems odd to me.
This suggests that you are scum not wanting to dirty your hands on a townie lynch.raider8169 wrote:I am not satisfied with the bandwagon to join it at this time. Besides I think 5 or so votes is enough for SirPent to address it.
Woo-woooooo!raider8169 wrote:Yes, yes you are. Ya caught me.DrippingGoofball wrote:This suggests that you are scum not wanting to dirty your hands on a townie lynch.raider8169 wrote:I am not satisfied with the bandwagon to join it at this time. Besides I think 5 or so votes is enough for SirPent to address it.
Amirite?
Reading over SirPent I do not enough to warrent him to be the days lynch but having votes on him is not a bad thing. I just wanted it known to make sure everyone in this game doesnt just follow you and he is lynched up quickly. Moreless the same thing that happened with Zwet. You voted and then others followed blindly. The same thing is happening here and I do not want it so jump up that quickly. I like where the bandwagon is at the moment.
Also, has the deadline been moved back? Something tells me no as the deadline was set for the day and the day has not ended.
The simple explanation is that raider is scum.Iecerint wrote:If you really want DoS lynched, wouldn't voting for DoS be a nice first step? It's true that it may be fruitless, but it's not any more fruitless than being voteless. Correct me if I'm wrong.
/drunkpost
Pffft! zwet was a fantastic lynch. Zwet is more useful dead than alive. Pretending to be sad over a zwet lynch is what scum does for town cred. Honest townies hold a parade.Sir Chris wrote:The only reason I say the loss of town is bad aside from the obvious, is you sure as hell aren't holding yourself accountable for a bad lynch, and that's unacceptable.
Oh wait - did I want zwet lynched because he played badly? I wanted him dead because he was posting very little for him, and because I believed his buddies were bus'ing him.Sir Chris wrote:If you want to lynch bad townies all day with your excuse "b-but they played badly", just hope on the scum team now please, thanks.
Sir Chris wrote:Also why is DoS doing ever so well, Goofball. or DGB I guess is your real nickname. I think I am going to like you, you and I have the same fun to win ratio beliefs when it comes to mafia.
yes fun is what it's all about. DrippingGoofball wrote:SirPent is town, folks! But raider sure isn't.
(1) SirPent not lynch worthy according to raider, but the rest of us throwing votes at SirPent is fine with him!!!
(2) Suddenly, gripped with fear of lynching a valuable lurker. Can you say, cheap town cred?
(3) I engineered a key strategic lynch of zwet, a power player, and everyone followed me blindly despite zwet giving off a super town vibe. God forbid such tragedies should happen again!
unvote, vote: raider
Yes, because those that say nothing aren't campaigning for town cred like you are.raider8169 wrote:(1) Wouldnt this be everyone who is not voting SirPent? I just expressed my thoughts while no one else did. Is that really so bad?
We're not even on a lurker hunt.raider8169 wrote:(2) Isnt that what I said with Zwet. If you keep lynching all the lurkers there will be no one left. Lynching all lurkers is going to give scum an easy win. Granted its only 2 at this point but when does it end? There are more lurkers then active players.
Gadzooks!raider8169 wrote:(3) Huh?
That's what scum does. They're not scumhunting, but they like to put the onus on other players. Perfect example.Sir Chris wrote:saberwolf why did you just ask that random question that has no bearing on alignment.
I know, but there are a lot of players, it's taking a little longer for my town reads to gel.Papa Zito wrote:...
There's not 17 scum in this game, DGB.
A serious attempt to discredit me with a truly laughable and transparent argument.xRECKONERx wrote:And mine was......
I didn't interpret them to be the same at all. Especially since one came after I specifically called the other for it. Reckoner's was much worse.saberwolf wrote:I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. Both of them expressed the opinion that you have too many people labeled as scum. Saying that one is different than the other is utter nonsense. Please try to show some consistency and give players the same amount of respect.DrippingGoofball wrote:A serious attempt to discredit me with a truly laughable and transparent argument.xRECKONERx wrote:And mine was......
Funny you should mention that, I've had countless scumbuddies fretting about being 'consistent.'saberwolf wrote:Every player should be treated equaly and consistantly until flip.
Why should we give a rat's tutu? Has he attributed some scummy behavior to his lack of experience?Hayker wrote:Sirpent, how much expierience o you have in mafia. I don't care abotu specifics, jsut anything you know. Have you played before? Done any research on theory etc.
Yeah. To demand this repeatedly is very wrong. It's Day 1 and we don't even know how many anti-town factions we have.xRECKONERx wrote:...it's wrong for me to ask her to come up with actual scumteams.
YAY WIKITELLxRECKONERx wrote:YAY FALSE DICHOTOMY
You can start referring to me as "she" instead of "he."Hayker wrote:Can't DGB actually be pointing out actions he finds scummy then?
