Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game Over!

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So glad I was informed the game was starting/sent a link to it.

Vote: joe

, seriously, why are there not more Joevotes?

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Dis, I too would like an explanation for the mod scene.
Here's what I can tell about the general mod-posted strangeness. I'm going to err on the side of speculation, as I don't have any role based info on this, but here's my best guess: one of the players in this game has a Tarhilandur-esque ghost role that won't let them vote and forces them to speak through the mod with these cryptic messages. The "chill and darkness" mod scene was obviously a player-activated power, although I have no idea what it did.
On a more prosaic note, I don't like that Ray is using an old case I already responded to as a way to keep his vote on me. I can't defend against an attack I already refuted, and plenty's happened in the game since my response.
Speaking of which,

unvote vote reckoner

. There's plenty to comment on and you make a RVS-like post, this late in the game? At least Shotty is talking on topic now.

It wasn't a random vote, I'm serious, iso joe and tell me his posts aren't neutral and non-committal as hell.

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@Cobalt:

Joe jumped out at me in a big way when I was skimming through the first five pages. Hold up, let me put together a quick case.

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joe478 iso:

1: random-votes saberwolf in policy-lynch fashion due to previous experience with him

comment: not that bad of a move, no red flags raised yet

2: agrees with Gorrad that the mod's scene was just flavor text

comment: nothing added, no content, just a useless fluff post

3: calls RayFrost out on saying he has reasons to vote cobalt without sharing them

comment: i don't give him any town points for this one, RF was pretty much begging for someone to call him out on it, and to be honest, i think it's an easy way for scum to look town by questioning the person who is withholding information.

4: more (pointless) discussion on the mod's scene

comment: once again, i HATE this line of discussion and i think it's an easy way for someone to appear like they're being active and posting and discussing without actually adding anything.

Not even sure what to think of #5.

6: clarifies Hayker's post

comment: seriously. how much useless fluff can one person post?

7: asks how the modscene is connected to DC.

comment: see #3.

8: continues pursuing modscene.

comment: see #4

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...so why continue it here?

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...maybe I'm missing it, but where are you referring to his rolefishing?

And honestly, in my opinion, I think being non-committal on D1 is a scumtell.

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RF is scum then.

unvote vote RF

. He is digging way too much into this one single mod scene. He seems to think that Slicey of all mods would be stupid enough to let the flavor lead to scum.

Are all of you people completely unfamiliar with the flavor? It should be obvious what Discode's role probably is, and that this person is probably town. I really don't like the attacks against him right now.

That being said, I wouldn't mind if Discode claimed his rolename to confirm that he is the person I'm thinking of. I don't see how it could hurt.

I like these posts.

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@RF: I don't necessarily think you're scum, I just found those two posts pro-town IMO.

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@RF: I don't necessarily think you're scum, I just found those two posts pro-town IMO.

Soooo...~

MSSK is pro-town for attacking me for digging at DisCode?

Not seeing how this makes sense. Attacking is a null tell.

Attacking when nobody else was attacking you on something I happen to agree with him on (but not enough to vote you) is pro-town behavior to me.

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Not reading because I don't want spoilers.

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@Reckoner: Why is being non-committal on Day 1 a scum-tell?

In my honest opinion, pro-town behavior on D1 is to pressure everything you can, while scummy behavior is to blend in.

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@Reckoner: Why is being non-committal on Day 1 a scum-tell?

In my honest opinion, pro-town behavior on D1 is to pressure everything you can, while scummy behavior is to blend in.

So... my pressuring/pushing/questioning Dis/Gorrad/You/etc would be pro-town behavior, and MafiaSSK pressuring me/nobody else would also be pro-town behavior?

Yes.

Zwet, shut up. You fail.

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Why the hell would you ask him to say that? Weird.

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@Kise: I thought you were actually spoiling the game for me, at which point I was going to auto-job you in CPW every week... then I realized there's no way Disney would allow Mickey to be killed off. Lawl.

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That doesn't seem like a very good idea. Lynching zwet is

always

a good idea though.

Vote: Zwet

. I'm only 30% joking.

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Deathnote and Zwet would both be acceptable lynches in my eyes, but frankly DisCode is so blatantly scum! For Zwet, at least, his behavior is normally this scummy. Can't really say about DN, haven't played with him enough to know.

This is an excellent point.

Unvote

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Look at DN. Aside from the fact that his posts are nearly all fluff, this bit

my character is so basic.... oops. Hope I didn't give anything away.

is absolutely awful, and he also told the modvoice to stop talking. die scum die

As is this. I don't think it's a scum tactic though, not this early on. How about I go with

Vote: DisCode

.

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I agree that I dislike foilist's lack of content thus far. However, I think DisCode is more warranted a vote than foilist. Lack of content is not ALWAYS = scum.

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If Gorrad is being the KH guru, why go through the Riku speculation then jump on Dis for being scum.

Gorrad, respond, nao.

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Seriously. If you're actually iso'ing zwet, you should've been done ten minutes ago.

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Read this: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12105

It's a game where I was scum with zwet. Iso zwet's posts.

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I'm not as familiar with zwet's playstyle as you guys are so I'll wait for a proper long post from him before making an opinion.

LOL. Don't hold your breath.

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@Mysterious Voice:

I'll help you.

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I would like a DC claim as well. Though, it's pretty much been spoonfed to DisScum now. If DC is town, I'm anxious to hear his real claim.

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Are my dreams of policy lynching zwet on D1 really coming true? =D

Vote: zwet

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Fun fact: there is no scum on the zwet wagon yet.

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Back, though fully back starting tomorrow.

CLAIM, GODDAMMIT

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Now it's larger.

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lawl?

SC, are you an alt?

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This ISN'T his typical town play. He's lurking a ton and has made nil contribution to the game. As town he at least tries to help.

This.

More zwet votes plz.

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I don't really think you are tunneling, Chris, if it's any consolation.

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Zwet, you're really not playing like you usually do. In fact, your inactivity reminds me of how you played when we were both scum in Empire at War Mafia. Not to mention your refusal to address anything of any value and post any content.

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...this Cobalt vote bothers me.

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No. I just think it's too quick for people to be like YEAH THAT MAKES SENSE. Why did nobody figure out his "scumminess" before page 25?

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I really think it's a stretch to say Cobalt was aiming for a modkill. Honestly.

Zwetlynchplzkthx

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@Plum:

What we've got here is a case of zwet playing against his meta, therefore I think it best to lynch him. Check my wiki for Empire at War Mafia. I was scum in that game with zwet, and honestly, the playstyles don't differ TOO much. Yes, he was more active in that game and more pursuant of town lynches, but not on D1. His overall unhelpfulness in this game makes me think VT-zwet-who-doesn't-care or scumzwet. Either way, I'm fine with his lynch.

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Plum's talking like she knows what zwet will flip.

Plum, I don't know nor care what zwet's meta is. All I know is that he isn't contributing anything whatsoever to the game, and I've lynched too many scum who play the lurker game to stop now. You can say "Yeah but so-and-so isn't doing anything either" if you want but that doesn't excuse zwet (or those people for that matter) at all. I'll happily join a viable wagon on any other lurker scum, especially on Day 1 of a large game where it's just too easy to lurk. If zwet's wagon suddenly magically melted away and was replaced by *insert scummy lurking player slot here* then I'd join that one too. This isn't about zwet, this is about removing scummy players and improving our chances down the road.

That said, I'm also up for lynching one of Sir Chris/Rayfrost just to make them shut up.

This post gives me an erection.

I nearly tore my hair out reading the back and forth between Chris and Ray. Seriously, just stfu, your bickering IS NOT HELPING TOWN AT ALL. It's just a pissing match between one neutral-read of mine and one townie-read of mine, and the arguing is doing NOTHING to push either of you either way. How about moving on and doing some actual scumhunting?

@Icerint: now that I go back and read through Empire at War again, I just realized something. Zwet was actually active and pretending to scumhunt there, BUT HE WAS SCUM. However, it was also a mini game, and he didn't really ever start picking up the pace with the scumhunting until D2. So, it seems as if he has NO vested interest in helping to scumhunt this game. Why?? One of two reasons - either he's a vanilla townie who has completely lost interest in the game, or he's scum trying to coast his way through while resting on his meta. NEITHER are good for town.

@Kdub: Do you think the fact that Empire at War was a mini and this is a large has anything to do with his playstyle?

@Mod: Can we get a prod/replacement on zwet?

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Also, it's exam time, peeps. Meaning I'll be a looot less active for the next week or so. Just a heads up.

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Reckoner, how certain are you that zwet is scum?

60%.

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Uh. From my head.

How fucking unhelpful can you possibly be, zwet?

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All.... twelve of us are scum, DG?

::eyeroll:: Since you provided examples for other people, please inform me why I'm on that list.

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@DGB:

I make outlandish claims like that from time to time based off of my ESP. I'm kinda psychic.

All jokes aside, I wasn't

honestly

implying you thought all twelve of us were scum. I was more prodding to figure out who you thought the scum-teams were in that list. And... no, I don't actually know why you included me on that list (aside from me saying I didn't like the Cobalt vote and making an assumption that there is no scum on the zwet wagon yet.

xReckoner is my top pick for scum for the quote DGB beat me to.

Either zwets is bullshitting...or...he's bullshitting. My quote that DGB quoted was AFTER her original list was posted... which means zwet literally hasn't been paying attention the entire game and is just now trying to throw the blame somewhere before he gets wagon'd. Lawl. Zwet is obviously scum, especially after such feeble attempts to post "content". Let's lynch him already.

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No, I mean, where do you see the connections? Who would be your potential scum teams. Not that there are more than one in the game.

Even if I was scum, there's no way I'd have that information.

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Sidenote: I just went and got KH2 to play through it so nothing is spoiled for me in this game. Now I just need to hunt down a dual shock controller since the old PS1 controllers won't work. ARGGHH

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Whoaaaaaaa dayvig

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I need to get my thoughts straight before I post anymore content... I was so sure zwet was scum.

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I'm only six hours into KH2, so I *BEG* of people no flavor-related spoilers for the second game.

That being said... Gorrad's vote of Iecerint has caught my eye. I'd like a full claim from Iecerint.

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Thanks, Gorrad.

I just got done with The Land of Dragons, actually. The whole Roxas intro took about two hours to do, then I went through Twilight Town and Hollow Bastion with Sora. I just arrived at Beast's Castle and saved the game. Too late for me *yawn*

/offtopic

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There's not 17 scum in this game, DGB.

...

There's not 17 scum in this game, DGB.

I know, but there are a lot of players, it's taking a little longer for my town reads to gel.

That's a much different response than this.

All.... twelve of us are scum, DG?

I KNEW that was coming, haha, only a scumbag would pull out this "argument."

Why treat Zito differently when we both insinuate the same thing?

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So is Zito scum for "pulling out this argument"?

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And mine was......

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HOW does his coming after mine make his BETTER? Am I just completely fucking missing something here, or are you just THAT hypocritical?

DGB, I've been asking you to point out specific scum connections since you put like half the players in this game on your original scumlist. I've been wanting more than just "I haz skum reed". When I posted that, THE WHOLE POINT WAS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE ALL OF US AS SCUM, ESPECIALLY WITHOUT PROPER REASONING.

Then Zito does the same thing, and you're like OH LOL IS JOKE.

Bull. Shit.

And I'll vote whenever I'm damn well ready.

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Yes, Hayker.

Oh, btw.

Vote: DrippingGoofball

. Blatant hypocrisy, saying it's wrong for me to ask her to come up with actual scumteams instead of blanketing half the roster as just "scum", general vibes, plus DisCode's play. Yup.

And I need to go reread her play pre-zwet-kill. I think I missed something.

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YAY FALSE DICHOTOMY

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Wait a tick...

I'm not gonna have time now, but sometime in the next 24 hours I need to iso Kdub to check on a hunch. Could be nothing. This is more of a... hey, I'm here, but it's fucking finals week and I have work so I can't get much content in for the next week or so.

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I am just about to leave and be gone for 5 days so I don't think I should vote unless someone can convince me to.

Nevermind, Kdub iso can come later, no way is it as scummy as this.

Unvote, Vote: joe

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DGB vote was for reaction, this one is srs bzns

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Um, no. "Convince me to vote someone" = "I'm too lazy to scumhunt, so I'm gonna blatantly say that you guys need to tell me who to vote for".

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I said a hunch. We'll see if it checks out.

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Haven't paid much attention to DoS, I'll iso him.

/honest confession

Kdub, then DoS. Then... well, who the fuck knows.

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It's joe478. You should try some.

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Anyone suspecting DGB at this point has never played with her.

DGB, I see your point on Raider, but what makes you think that just because he's scum SirPent can't be?

I'm suspicious of players that defend, with disproportionate passion, worthless players/lurkers/zwet. That's something that scum will do to earn town cred. Not always; but I've seen it a lot. That's what raider was doing. If this tilted raider further in the scum column, it balanced SirPent into the town column.

This is a large. Just because they aren't scum together doesn't mean that they can't both be scum.


I was about to join the DoS wagon, but then I saw his last post. Not even any defense against the not-insubstantial wagon! In my experience, unless they're total newbies, scum fight tooth and nail to avoid their own lynches. Townies roll over and take it much more frequently, as they have less to lose by them being lynched. DoS could be WIFOMing, expecting someone to say this, but I don't believe he is.

I much preferred the SirPent wagon. Can we get more on him, please?

This post both has me agreeing with it and raising an eyebrow. My gut says it comes from town, and that DoS is also town. My rational thought says I shouldn't just be willing to clear someone because they refuse to defend themselves.

In any case, I haven't had a chance to breathe today, let alone re-read. But I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on SirPent.

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@Kdub: Is that all you can go on in this game? My opinion on zwet based on meta from another game I played with him? After all the content that has been posted, you're still hung up on that?

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WHY DID MY AVATAR SWITCH BACK

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Okay, here's the thing, Kdub:

Zwet was pushing lynches and such in that game, yes. But that was also when he was being active in pushing said lynches, and I believe the size of the game had a lot to do with it. Here, he was kinda coasting along... and he'd hop on just to comment on shit that had NO relevance or wasn't pressing then log off.

I wasn't 60% based on his meta, and I'm not basing his meta solely off of that game. I was 60% on zwet because he did not do ANY scumhunting here, he did not ATTEMPT to respond to posts, and regardless of meta, that can't be tolerated. I used meta as an excuse to lynch him because I was sure that

no self-respecting town player would play in such poor fashion

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No, I have not. Not besides this game. I think.

And I know how bad that last post sounds, but I'm done trying to hide behind meta as an excuse to lynch zwet. I said I wanted to policy lynch him after playing with him as scum in Empire at War, and I think he deserved to be lynch. I'll stand by that.

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I don't think it was ever confirmed he only had one shot. If he is Capt. Sparrow, then the odds are he would only have one bullet.

Uhh... why would Sparrow only have one bullet? POTC flavor =/= KH flavor.

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Fucking shit, I knew there was another game I was in with zwet, but I thought it was still ongoing. I got killed D0 in Legacy of the Ancients, so you'll have to forgive me for not realizing I had played with him there.

And, no, that quote implies that REGARDLESS OF ZWET'S META, his play warranted a lynch.

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Also: LotA was the first game I had played with zwet after Empire at War, and it only further confirmed my belief that zwet needs to be lynched D1 all the time unless a huge playstyle shift occurs.

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I meant the second quote.

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And the first quote was coming right out of Empire at War, where I decided that even though zwet's meta helped us win as scum (with the additional help of my gambit), as town, I'd never ever ever want zwet alive past D1. He's a WIFOM liability.

Your DIRTY gambit which fucked everything up for me. ~Slicey~

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YES, I FORGOT ABOUT LOTA BECAUSE I GOT LYNCHED D0. HOLY FUCK. WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

I don't know what you're getting at here. Let me lay it out for you.

Empire at War: I am scum with zwet, we win because people are afraid to lynch zwet due to his meta.

Legacy of the Ancients: I am town, zwet is in the game, I pursue a "policy lynch" on him because I saw how he just coasted his way to victory in Empire at War.

This Game: I am town, zwet is in the game, I pursue a lynch on him through surreptitious means because I think playing with zwet means instant town liability.

I know zwet's meta. It goes something like... he fucks up the game and makes it unenjoyable. So I went out of my way to make sure he got lynched. A dayvig or whatever took care of it for me. I am aware of zwet's OVERALL meta, but I don't know little minute discrepancies between his town playstyle and scum playstyle

since the only game I've watched him play to completion was as scum

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YES, I FORGOT ABOUT LOTA BECAUSE I GOT LYNCHED D0. HOLY FUCK. WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

If you forgot about it, why did you say in 1402 that LotA confirmed to you that zwet should be policy lynched? According to you, you don't remember it because you died so early, yet you remember enough of zwet's play from that game to convince you that he needs to be lynched D1. Also, you were 3rd party in LotA, not town as you said.

1) I didn't say LotA confirmed he should be policy lynched, I said Empire at War did. lrn2rd

2) I was third party, but my wincon actually involved me getting enough "points" by doing pro-town things. So while I was third party, I was a pro-town third party.

This Game: I am town, zwet is in the game, I pursue a lynch on him through surreptitious means because I think playing with zwet means instant town liability.

Why did you try to lynch him through "surreptitious means" rather than just coming out and giving your actual reasons?[/quote]

Because somehow, I don't think "Let's policy lynch zwet, his play is anti-town" is a convincing argument for most people.

When you said you were 60% sure zwet was scum, were you being truthful, or was that also made up to get him policy lynched?

No, I wasn't being truthful. It was a 50/50 shot to be completely honest. Either he was anti-town town, or anti-town scum. A good lynch either way.

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I officially hate DGB. Hi, DGB. I'm Reckoner. You are the bane of my existence. Way to go: you called me out on my semi-joke-post claiming there were no scum on the zwet wagon. God, you're such an EXCELLENT scumhunter.

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Vote: Cobalt

Cobalt is scummeh.

I don't like the DoS lynch, but I'll hammer if deadline hits and we're still at L-1.

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Didn't you get the memo? I'm

always

scum.

Actually, I just don't get the logic behind a DoS lynch, especially when I think Cobalt has been pretty scummy. Quick, Ice, in less than three sentences, explain why DoS is the correct lynch? Why would scum claim VT and not a power role?

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Reckoner is scum to infinity and beyond if DoS is scum.

ALSO true if DoS is town. And is scum with Cobalt no matter the outcome of DoS' lynch.

YAYYY SPECULATION.

Also, I'm waaaay too lazy to go back and form a case on someone I don't actually think I've seen any scum-tells from... if someone wants to point me to a DoS case, then fine. I'm completely fucking drained from exams, though, so I don't have it in me to go search right now.

As far as why I think Cobalt's scum?

I do kinda like your DoS case but zwet is more obvscum.

I get shit over zwets, but he doesn't, and he conveniently sets up a DoS mislynch afterwards.

And please, just iso him. Half his posts are like five words long of 'LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH' or 'NEEDS MOAR VOTES' or completely irrelevant shit that has nothing to do with the game.

I personally just don't find the DoS case as compelling as zwets.

Hmm. Sounds like me. And lookie here:

This ISN'T his typical town play. He's lurking a ton and has made nil contribution to the game. As town he at least tries to help.

Okay, sure... unless you count Empire at War, which Kdub has already pointed out. @Kdub: why aren't you all up Cobalt's ass like you were mine?

More 'lol' and 'I played in this game with this person' and other shit that's actually very irrelevant. The only time he starts to post more than a sentence at a time is when people start attacking him for trying to lure a modkill.

Seriously, reading his iso is painstakingly bad... it's no active scumhunting, no content, just parroting on other votes with little-to-ZERO reasoning.

Kdub, I want your thoughts on Cobalt. NOW.

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Aaaand I think 63 pages is enough time for me to do a scum-list.

Forthcoming.

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[mrow]Scum[col]IGMEOY[col]Neutral[col]Town Kdub[col]wolframnhart[col]Kise[col]Gorrad ace[col]Hayker[col]Starbuck[col]Shotty Cobalt[col]DTM[col]RayFrost[col]Plum joe[col]Deathnote[col]Icerint[col]Zito Vaya[col]DoS[col]DrippingGoofball[col]Reckoner ---[col]SirChris[col]Icerint[col]--- ---[col]MafiaSSK[col]saberwolf[col]--- ---[col]raider[col]Sajin[col]---

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Hmm. That list sucks.

Oh well, it's the best I can go on right now. Now, to iso-read DoS.

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Oh yeah, I forgot to add: given the foilist to Pent to Mae replacement chain, I don't know where to place you =\

In summary: I think I've posted my thoughts on ace and joe before. Cobalt has gotten by doing very very little this game besides posting irrelevant game posts and jumping on already-started wagons. Vaya is in the "so inactive it's painfully scummy" category. And Kdub is scum for attacking me without saying a damn word about Cobalt.

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They're not in order of scumminess or how strong my read is - they're in order of how the list goes on the first page.

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And Kdub is scum for attacking me

without saying a damn word about Cobalt.

Why is that relevant? It's not as if Cobalt is the wagon of the moment.

NEITHER WAS I.

My point is, Kdub grilled the hell out of me about me wanting to lynch zwet, and if you look at mine/Cobalt's posts at the time, we were saying a lot of the same shit... yet Kdub completely ignored the hell out of Cobalt and just attacked me.

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Because it's not just the fact that you agreed with me. It's the fact that the vaaaast majority of your game posts are just stuff like 'lol' or 'this.' or 'lynch lynch lynch' or 'moar votes plz' or 'i like your hair' or stupid shit that doesn't provide any sort of insight into anything.

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Uh, I don't give a fuck who you scumhunt like, there's little-to-none of it going on in your iso.

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Are you talking to me, Cobalt?

Because I don't give a flying fuck if people agree or not, you haven't done JACK SHIT the whole game other than five-word posts claiming you want a zwet lynch, then a bunch of defending on some ridiculous argument that you were looking for a modkill, and sitting back and watching.

Jesus Christ. This is ridiculous that nobody else sees this.

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Are you kidding? You just described half the player list. At least I'm active and scumhunting.

YOU. ARE. NOT. SCUMHUNTING.

Please. Point out one case to me where you were actually scumhunting.

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And, you know what? Fuck it.

Vote: DoS

The wagon's not going to shift, nobody's gonna buy any of my targets, whoop dee fucking doo. If there's a vig out there, please end me tonight so I can be out of this game, kthxbai

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Doesn't matter if I think he's scum or not. I have no opinion on DoS either way, so it's not like I'm voting for one of my town reads.

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Would you prefer a no lynch or a DoS lynch, DGB?

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DGB - please answer my question -

Would you prefer a no lynch or a DoS lynch, DGB?

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I just had a really lengthy post written out, but then my internet crashed, so fuck it, here's the general idea:

I can't really put a finger on it, but something about ace's tendency to only go after the popular candidate and his rather inactive posting screams under-the-radar scum to me. But, I'd also agree that out of all the people on my scumlist, he's the last one I want to lynch.

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This has to be one of the longest (most posts) D1s ever.

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Thank you, mafia/second kill, for removing two of my suspects.

I now, however, feel lost as to who to vote. Need to do a quick skim.

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Potential votes:

Hayker
MafiaSSK
ace

All the time I have for now, I'm sure there's more I could come up with.

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No, I HAVE THE SHINY.

Or do I?

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Reckoner: What are your opinions on Cobalt, joe, and myself since you had us on your scum list yesterday but not at the start of today?

Well, Cobalt still has my eye for sure (as does joe), but there are others I'd like to lynch first. I can't tell if my problems with Cobalt are because he's scum, or because I hate the fuck out of his play-style.

As for you... I iso'd you, and to be COMPLETELY honest, I felt like my scum read on you was half-assed at best.

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I buy the DN claim, strangely. Jiminy seems like a VT role.

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Woo, looks like a bandwagon has started on me. Would someone be kind enough to lay out the case against me please and thanks?

I get scum vibes from this. I know with my personal meta, I feel like I tend to ask nicely for a point-by-point case whenever I'm feeling pressure instead of just going back and finding it myself. When I'm town, I tend to either A) disregard any suspicion thrown my way or B) get all tooth-and-nail defending it.

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raider needs to be lynched.

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Good point.

Vote: raider

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Eh, either could go, really. I think SSK is exhibiting more of a "lol i dont give a fuck" while raider is actively lurking.

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...did a bandwagon seriously just form on MSSK because of his blatantly sarcastic post? THAT is the best we have to go on for a lynch today? Fuckin' really?

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I could actually imagine myself NOT CARING and saying something like that as town, yes.

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Psh, fine.
I'm King Mickey. I was given a pistol with a single shot by Yen Sid to help defend the light. I'm in search of a key.

Something doesn't add up here.

King Mickey, okay,

seems

pro-town (I haven't completed KH2, so maybe I'm off here)

Being given a pistol by Yen Sid? That doesn't make any sense...

Being in search of a key? Either irrelevant expository information or third-party wincon.

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Wait, wait... what the FUCK is happening? Did I skip a page or something?

All I know is I wanted to lynch Cobalt awhile ago, so can this happen, please?

Vote: Cobalt

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OOOH I only saw him claiming to be Mickey with a gun, I didn't know he claimed to have shot SSK.

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Unvote, Vote: MSSK

Him first.

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About time.

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Vote: SSK

I'm also gonna assume that XII/Nobodys aren't necessarily an anti-town wincon.

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Please, kill me, spare me from the fucktarded town in this game. It's like playing with globs of gelatinous ooze that the scum just get to mold however the fuck they want.

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THIRD SCUM? THIRD SCUM? ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?

I'm sorry, at best, we've strung up one scum. And to be completely honest, I read the grey text and assumed third-party. Maybe there's a heartless scum team and a nobody scum team, I don't fucking know. What I do know, is that I am the one that called for a Cobalt lynch awhile ago. What I also know is that Sir Chris makes me LO-FUCKING-L.

Chris, go fuck yourself, cut yourself, jump off a bridge, I don't care. Talking about arrogance... my voice isn't "meek" or "nonexistant". It's called, I don't care to fucking try in a game where the town is so goddamn weak it's like screaming at a brick wall.

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Oh, is that mod-kill worthy? Sorry if I don't give a shit.

Not trying to get mod-killed, I just don't care to be in a game with a prick like Sir Chris and someone as bull-headed as DGB.

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Actually, "being in search of a key" was obviously bullshit BECAUSE ORG XIII DOESN'T WANT THE KEY AND MICKEY WAS A FAKECLAIM.

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HEY GUYS, I'M SCUM, DGB CALLED IT, I COMPLETELY MELTED DOWN FOR NO FUCKING REASON BECAUSE I'M SCUM, DURR DURR DURR

Actually, I'm a VT. OMG, OUT OF NOWHERE CLAIM, I MUST BE SCUM!

I'm a VT, and usually, I don't give a *fuck* in games where I'm a VT. I actually tried to give half-a-damn in this one because I thought "Hey! What if I try playing one as VT just to get the full experience!" and even when I actually try to give-a-fuck, goddamn piece of fucking shit elitist players ruin the experience.

I realize I may be blowing up right now, I don't care. I'm tired, I just spent two days with family who I hate, DGB and Sir Chris are pissing me off beyond belief, I'm not getting any fucking credit for anything, so FUCK IT. Modkill ahoy? Or just a warning?

Whatever. I'm going to get more booze.

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Because both of them would be killed anyway, and I thought the SSK flip would tell us more? I don't know.... it really didn't matter what order they were killed in.

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Yeah, the post Starbuck quoted is what ultimately pissed me off.

If I get modkilled, I'm take Sir Chris down with me. I swear to God, most arrogant person I've ever played with on this site. MAFIAZ R SRS BZNS

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DGB SHUT THE FUCK UP NOBODY CARES
WHAT THE

FUCK

DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING?

SEARCHING FOR A KEY SOUNDED THIRD PARTY. GOD DAMMIT YOU'RE SUCH A FUCKING BROKEN RECORD

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@MOD: PLEASE MODKILL BOTH MYSELF AND SIR CHRIS. HE PERSONALLY ATTACKED ME, AND I FLIPPED THE FUCK OUT AND WENT OFF. BOTH OF US. DEAD. NOW.

Sir Chris is the most self-glorifying piece of shit I've seen on the boards in awhile.

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You arrogant

son of a bitch

,

don't you dare get

righteous

with me, I won't stand for it.

You, if town, have played a

pitiable game that its only worth is an award for most crying by an ultimately useless townie

who lacks the ability to sway others because his voice is meek and his presence is nonexistant. Few thigns piss me off faster than some

weak-willed player

who wishes to blame his fellow cast for whatever woes may have fallen upon his faction. You are responsible for your own self, and this post is just so low that

I want to pound your face in right now.

Bold is modkillable

Italics is lol irony

Underline is keyword in lol irony

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Fuck off, elitist prick.

I'm now going to ignore all posts by Sir Chris until the mod weighs in. Everyone else, carry on.

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DGB, are you fucking dense?

"Searching for a key" sounded third-party.

Grey text made me instantly think third-party. Also, the organization 13 association made me think third-party.

I re-read... Nobody could be secondary mafia to Heartless mafia, and the fact that he WASN'T KING MICKEY makes searching for a key bullshit, therefore he's not third party.

God fucking dammit.

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So basically you are reduced to wanting a modkill?

Also if that is modkillable I guess that's fine, you just made me really super mad with your post previous to that in which you insulted all of town gravely. I must confess this is quite ... well, sad. I mean I was laughing and now I have just stopped. You seem to lack an understanding about what mafia is about, and that's a pity.

lol elitist prick

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Yes, what I've done is VERY MODKILLABLE, OKAY, GLAD WE AGREE ON THAT.

I was PROVOKED by Sir Chris being an ELITIST PRICK. So if I get modkilled, HE SHOULD TOO.

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For anyone who had any questions for me during that blow-up, can you repost them? (Unless your Sir Chris, then don't bother.) I know it looks suspect... I had called Cobalt actual-scum earlier as in pre-claim (unless I'm getting my games confused, but I don't think I am), then saw the key-thing and thought third-party wincon, then I saw the grey text and assumed third-party but not anti-town wincon... and now that I think about it, grey text means nothing, he lied about the key thing so that removes the idea of the wincon being anti-town, and he's labeled as a Nobody, which means there MUST be Heartless too.

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Translation: I believe there to be a Heartless Mafia and a Nobody Mafia. But, enough outguessing the mod, sorry that got blown out of proportion. More SSK lynch.

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Reck:

what is your opinion of cobalt's "lolscumkillraynao" comment and my response and the responses to my response?

Endless train... um... can you point me to the origin of all this?

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Well, I suppose we'll find out if he's right or not IF SOMEONE'LL PLZ LYNCH SSK. We can do more guesswork after that.

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...oh, fuck.

Well then, hot damn! SSK got lynched anyway.

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DGB: I addressed this already, multiple times. What about my response to thinking it's a third-party wincon didn't satisfy you? I called out a third party wincon WHEN HE MENTIONED THE SEARCHING FOR A KEY FLAVOR.

RF: I don't remember that avatar, what old dude?

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@DGB: Because my wincon has nothing to do with finding the key, but finding the key also doesn't sound like a strictly anti-town wincon. Therefore, I assumed some wacky third-party mechanics (a la Tar's point system for the Outsiders in LOTA)

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I'm gonna call this a 'W' for me anyway. =P

Seriously though, I'm pissed off I got modkilled so early, this was a fantastic game. DGB definitely gets my town MVP, and Starbuck almost pulled off a great win. Had she claimed VT, then waited a day or two and switched it to a BP claim, I think it may have been more believable and might have won her the game. BP claims are always a bit tricky, though. The two different scumteams... well, they got picked off preeeeetty early. Except for Shotty (which, it blows my mind he was allowed to live that long).

Overall, this was an awesome performance by town. Congrats on the win.