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Well, I got nothing. (No PM or anything)
Could be role related, or just random bastard modding. Doesn't really matter, I don't think.
At a guess, it's alcohol, and will lose you your vote today. I think that's the most plausible.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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If there's a big red button with a sign saying "DO NOT PRESS", do you press it?
I most certainly do.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Someone has to drink it. I don't care who. Seriously. Not using all the items, at least this early, is a waste.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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No. There's a chance it can help scum, but not confirm them. Unless town percieves something in a poor way, which isn't scum being confirmed, merely town playing badly.
Letting the items go to waste is silly. These items will have been factored into the balancing of this game, and ultimately, we can be pretty certain that if we didn't have these items, town are at a disadvantage. This is game is designed for items to be used.
Like I said, I suspect this item will be detrimental to the player regardless of their alignment. The mod said we are meant to think in this game. I don't know anything much about Chzo, but alcohol is a reasonable guess. Alcohol could, like I said, lose someone their vote today, or maybe count as roleblock tonight. I seriously doubt it would kill someone. I can't think of how drinking a liquid like that would be much of a good thing for anyone who drank it. Unless Chzo is one of those games with revival potions and the like. But whatever it is, we won't find out unless we use it. It's day one. I don't see what you could possibly be worried about.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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On the contrary, I suspect we are meant to speculate, and it will have an effect. I don't think speculation will be any kind of sucessful in some cases, by design, but i'm sure the mod wants us to draw some conclusions about these things.Shadow Knight wrote:I personally think we should take volunteers and if more than one person is willing to drink it, then random.org it. The scum probably don't know any more than the town what each item is or what its effects will be, so I think willingness to drink will be a null tell. I also don't think we'll be able to guess what any item does before we use it. Whether or not the item confers some power, I don't think that will be a guarantee of townieness or scumminess. After all, a scum can develop cop-sight and a townie can develop the ability to kill.-
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If the items had a nuetral effect on balance there is no point in including them.
In designing this setup, KoC will have considered every items effect carefully. Sure, they'll some items that are useless. But essentially, these items are weapons in the towns controls, much like the town's lynch.
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Pyro: Diceroll function IS random, it cannot be mainpulated. If it has been fixed, it says so.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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There is a thread specifically for dice testing...And yes you can trust the dice not to be fixed.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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I cannot comprehend why any pro-town role would not want this item used.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Thankyou for bringing some rationality to the game, AJ.
Do you support no lynching on D1? This is THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT. Jesus.If it is random or nothing, which it does appear to be, we have a larger chance of hitting town. I am now convinced that it has a negative effect.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Amished is probably scum. I've seen him as town, and I don't see him acting like this as town. He's a good player, and it's obvious wasting items will be to the town's detriment. Only scum want items going to waste.
Picking someone/having a volunteer would be better, but a random is fine. We need to find out what it's going to do. This is the FIRST ITEM, on DAY ONE.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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I have explained why town should be using it. I do not intend to repeat myself.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Well obviously we don'tneedthem to win, that's not the point. They will improve our chances of winning.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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There would be no point in including them if they had an overall nuetral or negative effect for the ones who control them.
This means that there are going to be items going around at night. Not using day items is not going to prevent scum obtaining items. Day items are very much comparable to a lynch. They are weapons in the hands of the town, and are public knowledge. The mod has said this game requires more thought than usual game, items are clearly either one of these things, or the things he refers to. We are meant to figure what we think the item is going to do and use it accordingly. We are not going to get any infomation about these items, which are clearly a major part of this game given the fact the mod included it in the rules, and the way he worded it, if we let the first item go unused. The is the earliest stage of the game, no matter what it is, it will have the least long term impact than at any other stage of the game. This is the part where we want to figure out what items do, what to expect from them, and whether we should use the items that appear further down the line at more critical stages of the game.7. Any items found during the day must be used BEFORE the lynch on that day. Items given/found during the night can be used at the player's discretion.-
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I agree. Either someone we think is scum or a volunteer. The downside to random is the possible negative effect, such as roleblocking a town power. Random > Not using, though, is my opinion as I have made clear.
Ofcourse, there's the possibility it's not detrimental. There's only one way to find out.
I would say volunteer is the best.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Yes, that sounds fine.
However we may not want to lynch the person who drinks it, depending on what happens. I would imagine the mod will make it obvious what happens.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Well, the mod wants us to use our brains in this game.
"A loaded gun has appeared"
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What the hell?? I never advocated a D1 No Lynch, and wouldn't.Lamont_Cranston wrote:So far according to my memory there have only been two people that advocated d1-no-lynch as go poof:
Xtoxm & Sironi
I don't think there is a 3rd person...
And btw what do you think about random assignment vs. town-wide voting?
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What, and in the same way quoting from completed games isn't allowed? ...But, that is allowed.
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It wasn't from a game. I don't want to talk about it at risk of getting modkilled. It wasn't very important anyway, just something I noticed and thought was worth mentioning.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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I don't even know what exactly his rule son this are, I thought what I did would have been fine. I have no idea why it wasn't tbh. But i'm not going to say any more on the matter. Like I said, it wasn't very important.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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See, this backs up what I said.
hohum acted selfishly, because he didn't want to risk giving someone else the possibility of some power.
We correctly predicted, for the most part, that it was likely something bad. Though I did think it would be quite that bad. If the voting plan had gone through, we'd have essentially got a second lynch out of today.
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Xtoxm wrote:See, this backs up what I said.
hohum acted selfishly, because he didn't want to risk giving someone else the possibility of some power.
We correctly predicted, for the most part, that it was likely something bad. Though Ididn'tthink it would be quite that bad. If the voting plan had gone through, we'd have essentially got a second lynch out of today.
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Lamont, have you been told about anything you can do with it?Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Can you not even give it away/give it to someone else?
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Right. That means we can't control this item, so we should just wait it out and see what happens. This is probably one of the dud's I was talking about.
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It makes sense that the first item is good, and the second bad.
(I maintain the decanter was a good item. If used correctly, it was a second lynch for the town.)Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Well it's not exactly a case as such, she simply looked like newbie scum to me, and clearly I was not the only one to hold this opinion. I did not make a case against her, the others simply shared the same thoughts.
I haven't noticed anything scummy from Nueva. Admittedly, I haven't really noticed him at all. But he says he has exams, I have exams atm too, and I know how tough it is, it can really impede on your games (and i'm justaskingto fail, seeing as I have an exam tomorrow...Ugh, need more motivation...). So i'm happy to let that slide.
Sir, i've played with before. He was town, and I read him as such, but a lot of people thought he was scum. That seems to be happening here too. I don't have much of a read on him yet tbh.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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I just checked Nueva. He's not lurking as hard as you imply. And his isolation 9 looks pro-town to me.
Steph - Your argumentiscrap. I fail to see how you believe something so absurd enough to bring it up.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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I glanced through at Sir, I really don't get a feel either way yet.
I have no reason to trust Zwet's opinion, in the game I played with him, I don't think any of his suspects were scum. No offense.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Well, Sironigous isn't new. He's been around a while now.
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Ok, well Naomi's more recent posts have looked better. But I see no reason to change my vote; neither of the other wagons appeal to me particularly.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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For some reason I thought the other wagon was on Sir, not PM. I'm not sure what I think of PM, I can take a look.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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I don't like PM's press on Lamont, but he volunteered to drink the decanter. I hold that as a pro-town position, I don't think scum would want to.
And Lamont, you have done some things that can plausibly be seen as scummy. Until recently, with your change of heart on the items, I suspected you.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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The way Lamont referred to Stethoscope using female pronouns.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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That sounds like the type of stupid question i've seen Zwet make as scum..
But yeh, apart from the fact I don't think he's a good lynch anyway, based on that alone we shouldn't be lynching him.
I hadn't realised we were this close to deadline, we really need to get something together.
Naomi is the only current wagon I feel happy with atm.
There are some others I can support - Amished seems to have disappeared, and I wasn't liking what he was saying about the items.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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We have barely over a day left, weneedto get something together quickly. And it shouldnotbe Lamont, as he is almost certainly going to die regardless, and it would thus be equivalent to a no lynch.
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I expect everyone who is not voting, or voting for Lamont, to do something with their vote in their next post, please.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Even if Lamont doesn't die, it's worth finding out what this shell does. Although the chance of him dying is enough on itself.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Well that's besides the point. And my comment was more directed at the people who want him lynched.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Her level of participation is a point in her favour, and the posts I picked up on looked very consistant with newb-scum to me. And newb-scum can be active sometimes. I'm open to changing, though.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Ok..I guess that's possible, I hadn't considered that. I really doubt it, though.
If someone doesn't happen to him, he'll be caught in a lie, so it really wouldn't have been a very useful lie to make. And it's not like he was in danger when he picked it up. Either way, he looks town to me.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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And yes, it will be the same as no lynching.
If you have 3 lynches in a day, and waive the last one, that is a no lynch. If this was a triple lynch game, would you support no lynching on day one? The same basic principles apply. Town should not be wasting lynches, except in particular situations, generally much later in the game.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Quite possibly not, but he could say "Argh!" ina suggestive manner, or something...Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
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Do you realise how close we are to deadline? We have about a day left, we need to get a lynch together quickly.Nyx wrote:
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Were prods sent out?
I don't like how you're pressuring people to just vote. Sounds to much as forcing a quick lynch IMO.
As for the current events. Since Lamont is more likely to be dieing if I may presume that there's no need to lynch him. I find the case on Naomi and Steph very weak.
So for now
vote:The Replacement
For above said argument.
If Steph gains votes, I will change.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
Xtoxm is consistently great - Shosin
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That doesn't mean anything to me. And it's not a role claim.Smooth as silk when he's scum, and very much capable of running things from behind the scenes while appearing to be doing minimal effort. - Almost50
Xtoxm is consistently great - Shosin
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